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joeystats
06-28-2015, 08:08 PM
http://journaltimes.com/sports/basketball/bucks-beat-big-pay-day-awaits-knight/article_c97bc847-b9ca-5960-b335-cfa72b30c05a.html

Sadds The Gr8
06-28-2015, 08:10 PM
overpaid...

ManningToTyree
06-28-2015, 08:37 PM
That's too much.


Going to be saying that a whole lot this offseason

2-ONE-5
06-28-2015, 08:40 PM
big overpay. didnt they learn from having IT?

xxplayerxx23
06-28-2015, 08:41 PM
14 mill a year? Not to bad IMO esp
With the cap rising Next two years

spreadeagle
06-28-2015, 08:44 PM
hes my favorite player...when watching Shaqtin a fool

ManRam
06-28-2015, 08:47 PM
I'm going to do my best this summer to not say the same thing every time someone says "overpaid".

You have to look at all these long term contracts with an eye on the CBA negotiations.

2014-15 Cap: $63M
2015-16 Cap: Projected to be about $89M
2016-17 Cap: Projected to be basically anywhere above $105M

$14M a year would be about 22% of the cap last year.
$14M a year will be about 16% of the cap this year.
$14 a year will be about 12% of the cap in 2016-17
$14 a year will be even less the final 3 years of his contract. At that point, it's a bargain.

Brandon Knight is worth ~12% of your cap. Easily. He's not worth 22% of it. Absolutely not. But 16% and lower? Definitely. He's 23 and coming off a really strong year. Lock him up.

goose15
06-28-2015, 09:02 PM
14 mill a year..

Shaqtin a Fool superstar got paid!!

jason6692
06-28-2015, 09:05 PM
why are people saying overpaid ? 14 isnt bad with the cap rise and what other players who are worse than knight are demanding. what kinda contract did ya expect ?

5ass
06-28-2015, 09:12 PM
Basically, in 16/17 season after the salary cap rises it would be like a 9 mill/yr contract on last season's salary cap if I'm not mistaken.

Stunner
06-28-2015, 09:24 PM
Bargain for his age

TrueFan420
06-28-2015, 09:26 PM
Overrated player

Scoots
06-29-2015, 12:32 AM
I'm going to do my best this summer to not say the same thing every time someone says "overpaid".

You have to look at all these long term contracts with an eye on the CBA negotiations.

2014-15 Cap: $63M
2015-16 Cap: Projected to be about $89M
2016-17 Cap: Projected to be basically anywhere above $105M

$14M a year would be about 22% of the cap last year.
$14M a year will be about 16% of the cap this year.
$14 a year will be about 12% of the cap in 2016-17
$14 a year will be even less the final 3 years of his contract. At that point, it's a bargain.

Brandon Knight is worth ~12% of your cap. Easily. He's not worth 22% of it. Absolutely not. But 16% and lower? Definitely. He's 23 and coming off a really strong year. Lock him up.

None of any of that has to do with CBA negotiations. The CBA expires in 2017 ... then negotiations re-open.

Tony_Starks
06-29-2015, 01:27 AM
I'm going to do my best this summer to not say the same thing every time someone says "overpaid".

You have to look at all these long term contracts with an eye on the CBA negotiations.

2014-15 Cap: $63M
2015-16 Cap: Projected to be about $89M
2016-17 Cap: Projected to be basically anywhere above $105M

$14M a year would be about 22% of the cap last year.
$14M a year will be about 16% of the cap this year.
$14 a year will be about 12% of the cap in 2016-17
$14 a year will be even less the final 3 years of his contract. At that point, it's a bargain.

Brandon Knight is worth ~12% of your cap. Easily. He's not worth 22% of it. Absolutely not. But 16% and lower? Definitely. He's 23 and coming off a really strong year. Lock him up.


Great breakdown but the majority really probably still won't get it.

Basically there's no such thing as overpaid before the new deal.

SMH!
06-29-2015, 02:50 AM
I'm going to do my best this summer to not say the same thing every time someone says "overpaid".

You have to look at all these long term contracts with an eye on the CBA negotiations.

2014-15 Cap: $63M
2015-16 Cap: Projected to be about $89M
2016-17 Cap: Projected to be basically anywhere above $105M

$14M a year would be about 22% of the cap last year.
$14M a year will be about 16% of the cap this year.
$14 a year will be about 12% of the cap in 2016-17
$14 a year will be even less the final 3 years of his contract. At that point, it's a bargain.

Brandon Knight is worth ~12% of your cap. Easily. He's not worth 22% of it. Absolutely not. But 16% and lower? Definitely. He's 23 and coming off a really strong year. Lock him up.
Great post, I enjoy your unbiased posts. :clap:

slaker619
06-29-2015, 04:08 AM
Suns messed up with this, but then again if he signed short term, could've made more off them when cap goes up

Vinylman
06-29-2015, 08:42 AM
I'm going to do my best this summer to not say the same thing every time someone says "overpaid".

You have to look at all these long term contracts with an eye on the CBA negotiations.

2014-15 Cap: $63M
2015-16 Cap: Projected to be about $89M
2016-17 Cap: Projected to be basically anywhere above $105M

$14M a year would be about 22% of the cap last year.
$14M a year will be about 16% of the cap this year.
$14 a year will be about 12% of the cap in 2016-17
$14 a year will be even less the final 3 years of his contract. At that point, it's a bargain.

Brandon Knight is worth ~12% of your cap. Easily. He's not worth 22% of it. Absolutely not. But 16% and lower? Definitely. He's 23 and coming off a really strong year. Lock him up.

WOW... I didn't know the cap for next season was going to 89m ...

oh yeah... it isn't it's $67.1 million

As for you analysis... that is all good and well until the CBA gets blown up after 16/17

What happens if the cap on individual salaries are removed and a Lebron or someone like him can get 40-50% of the cap? Will those still be good deals?

Assuming the CBA won't change significantly is naive

ManRam
06-29-2015, 08:56 AM
WOW... I didn't know the cap for next season was going to 89m ...

oh yeah... it isn't it's $67.1 million

As for you analysis... that is all good and well until the CBA gets blown up after 16/17

What happens if the cap on individual salaries are removed and a Lebron or someone like him can get 40-50% of the cap? Will those still be good deals?

Assuming the CBA won't change significantly is naive

Sorry. I think I saw the tax threshold. But not even because that doesn't look right. Either way...I stand by it. My whole point was that I'm not too worried about financials this season. I'd give a 23 year old coming off a much improved and all-around good season $14M over 5 years. Easily.

We'll see how it all works with the new CBA, but it won't hurt Phoenix at all. And this is the norm these days. Guys like Knight get this kind of money.


And the Suns don't have to worry about paying "LeBron or someone" 50% of the cap.

king4day
06-29-2015, 09:22 AM
It's a bit more than I would have liked but this will keep him from getting other offers in free agency.

It's comparable to other guard combos in the league too.

Marc Stein mentioned:



Marc Stein
✔ ‎@ESPNSteinLine
That Suns will seriously explore their Eric Bledsoe trade options if they indeed strikes the deal w/B-Knight that @GeryWoelfel is reporting

My guess is, they'd look for a player in the Hayward or Tobias Harris caliber. Not an over the hill vet who will help maintain the treadmill.

J_M_B
06-29-2015, 09:25 AM
I'm going to do my best this summer to not say the same thing every time someone says "overpaid".

You have to look at all these long term contracts with an eye on the CBA negotiations.

2014-15 Cap: $63M
2015-16 Cap: Projected to be about $89M
2016-17 Cap: Projected to be basically anywhere above $105M

$14M a year would be about 22% of the cap last year.
$14M a year will be about 16% of the cap this year.
$14 a year will be about 12% of the cap in 2016-17
$14 a year will be even less the final 3 years of his contract. At that point, it's a bargain.

Brandon Knight is worth ~12% of your cap. Easily. He's not worth 22% of it. Absolutely not. But 16% and lower? Definitely. He's 23 and coming off a really strong year. Lock him up.

Great post

Shows how valuable guys still on their rookie deals are going to be. Talk about cheap labor.

KnicksorBust
06-29-2015, 09:31 AM
WOW... I didn't know the cap for next season was going to 89m ...

oh yeah... it isn't it's $67.1 million

As for you analysis... that is all good and well until the CBA gets blown up after 16/17

What happens if the cap on individual salaries are removed and a Lebron or someone like him can get 40-50% of the cap? Will those still be good deals?

Assuming the CBA won't change significantly is naive

Sorry. I think I saw the tax threshold. But not even because that doesn't look right. Either way...I stand by it. My whole point was that I'm not too worried about financials this season. I'd give a 23 year old coming off a much improved and all-around good season $14M over 5 years. Easily.

We'll see how it all works with the new CBA, but it won't hurt Phoenix at all. And this is the norm these days. Guys like Knight get this kind of money.


And the Suns don't have to worry about paying "LeBron or someone" 50% of the cap.

I agree with your general point that free agents that get "overpaid" this offseason won't look so bad in a year or two. But in this specific situation do you really see Brandon Knight as that valuable?

Burkey3472
06-29-2015, 09:33 AM
He's slightly overpaid for next season considering how much he is taking up of their cap but the 4 seasons after it might be a bargain. You have to factor in his age too, you are getting prime years out of this guy and should get the same production out of him his whole contract if he stays healthy.

J_M_B
06-29-2015, 09:45 AM
I agree with your general point that free agents that get "overpaid" this offseason won't look so bad in a year or two. But in this specific situation do you really see Brandon Knight as that valuable?

I know this isn't directed at me, but I do agree with your assessment. The Bucks were actually better with Knight on the bench last year right? I can't remember, but his +/- was pretty bad.

Still I think at 23 and that he was still a really good shooter last year that this contract would be worth the risk. I think he'll be a good fit in PHX

MILLERHIGHLIFE
06-29-2015, 12:43 PM
Curious where Bledsoe gets traded to now? Wolves and Bucks wanted him last summer. Bucks backed off when Bledsoe agent said max contract. Wolves backed off when Suns wanted Wiggins in return.

Sadds The Gr8
06-29-2015, 01:17 PM
I agree with your general point that free agents that get "overpaid" this offseason won't look so bad in a year or two. But in this specific situation do you really see Brandon Knight as that valuable?

exactly. and I'm still confused at the dumb *** trade deadline they had. It was so idiotic...

SF8
07-01-2015, 04:57 AM
Curious where Bledsoe gets traded to now? Wolves and Bucks wanted him last summer. Bucks backed off when Bledsoe agent said max contract. Wolves backed off when Suns wanted Wiggins in return.

I wouldn't mind sending Bledsoe to the Bucks in a sign and trade for Middleton.

Obviously the Bucks were pretty successful with the Knight/Middleton backcourt so maybe it can work in Phoenix as well.

ROY 2 MVP Braun
07-01-2015, 05:17 AM
Curious where Bledsoe gets traded to now? Wolves and Bucks wanted him last summer. Bucks backed off when Bledsoe agent said max contract. Wolves backed off when Suns wanted Wiggins in return.

I wouldn't mind sending Bledsoe to the Bucks in a sign and trade for Middleton.

Obviously the Bucks were pretty successful with the Knight/Middleton backcourt.
I would pass. I'd take Middleton all day over Bledsoe personally.....