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andy2518
06-23-2015, 05:30 PM
I'm sure most of you have heard of this report by Marc Stein how Lebron treated Blatt disrespectfully as a coach. As I mentioned in another thread, I have a family friend who used to play for Blatt on Maccabi Tel Aviv and pretty much loves the guy. He is very disturbed by how Lebron fans and the media treated Blatt all year long. Now not only that, but Lebron himself was being disrespectful as well. My buddy who knows Blatt is perhaps the best basketball player I have ever seen play in my life and he says that Blatt is a straight basketball genius and what happened to him this season is just plain disgusting. We are both sure that Blatt is just keeping his mouth shut for the money at this point because otherwise he would have told both Lebron and his fans to piss off by now. Heck, as I previously stated in the other thread I made, even Kerr wanted him to be his assistant coach this year before he got the job from Cleveland. Teams were salivating at the thought of hiring this guy when he announced he was interested in coming over to coach in the NBA.

I love Lebron as a player, and really respect his game. The guy is a legend for sure don't get me wrong, but stuff like this makes me really lose respect for the guy. Totally classless and disrespectful to do your coach like that no matter what you think of him. Funny thing is that Blatt is more of a winner than Lebron from a resume standpoint so you would think the guy would respect him a bit more. Not sure who Bron wants to be his coach instead because the only other winners who compare at this point that are left to coach that are on Blatt's level in terms of championship experience are Pop and Phil and Phil ain't coaching anymore and Pop ain't leaving San Antonio. Aside of Larry Brown coming out of retirement who would Lebron even respect at this point if he doesn't respect Blattt?

http://espn.go.com/blog/marc-stein/post/_/id/3896/lebrons-handling-of-blatt-unbecoming

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4iElfz92II
Still can't believe this actually happened.

jerellh528
06-23-2015, 05:34 PM
According to Phil Jackson, his footwork is unbecoming lol.
"I watch LeBron James, for example," he said. "He might [travel] every other time he catches the basketball if he's off the ball. He catches the ball, moves both his feet. You see it happen all the time. There's no structure, there's no discipline, there's no 'How do we play this game' type of attitude. And it goes all the way through the game. To the point where now guys don't screen—they push guys off with their hands."

andy2518
06-23-2015, 05:37 PM
According to Phil Jackson, his footwork is unbecoming lol.
"I watch LeBron James, for example," he said. "He might [travel] every other time he catches the basketball if he's off the ball. He catches the ball, moves both his feet. You see it happen all the time. There's no structure, there's no discipline, there's no 'How do we play this game' type of attitude. And it goes all the way through the game. To the point where now guys don't screen—they push guys off with their hands."

I actually read that article too. Surprised that no one made a thread about that around here. Perhaps maybe too taboo. But yes, Phil does have a point for sure. For all too long now the NBA has not enforced the traveling calls they should. This includes Lebron amongst others. It was pretty bad in the finals this year. I'm sure Blatt has never seen anything like it in the Euro leagues lol.

LAKERS4LIFE!!
06-23-2015, 05:49 PM
Lebron is the best player in the NBA today but no way should he be treating his coach the way he does. It's completely disrespectful. I would LOVE to see him push POP of Phil Jackson. He just gives people too many reasons to dislike him.

xbrackattackx
06-23-2015, 06:03 PM
I thought he was just keeping him from getting the T. I dunno.

mngopher35
06-23-2015, 06:11 PM
It is a weird situation with everything the media has chimed in but overall I'm not sure there is as big of an issue as people make it seem. The video is when he didn't want them to get the technical earlier in the season right? Can't watch it on my phone right now. Stein had a better finals seat than I did so he might be onto something but from what I saw most of the season wasn't a huge issue with a few little things being blown out of proportion (just like with spo). I think if Lebron actually had an issue with Blatt he would have been gone by now. With that said I do think Lebron has always had an entitled attitude so he was far from perfect and likes things his way.

Anyways Blatt may have had success outside of the NBA but that doesn't mean a ton to the media here or NBA players. Everyone, players/coaches/owners, need to prove they can do it in the NBA before they are given a ton of respect from people here. On top of that when you look at his body of work I think there are plenty of question marks about him still (rotation, attempted t/o call that could've blown the game, wanting james to inbound last sec shot etc). I haven't really seen enough of him to have a huge opinion on him but I really wasn't that impressed. I guess we don't know how things really went down but with some of what we have seen from Blatt I would probably question him a lot too (not by making him look bad though like stein said).

ILLUSIONIST^248
06-23-2015, 06:20 PM
Great post. I know most people will think I'm full of it since I'm so hard on lebron, but prior to 2010 I actually had a lot of respect for lebron and his game. But since colluding with his Miami buddies and ruining the integrity of the game I can't stand the man. Not to mention he treats everyone around him like his servants. As if they should be honored just to be in his presence. This includes all of his coaches. His fans have absolutely made it unbearable to like him as well. If people would rank him accordingly I wouldn't have to spend so much time showing lebron fans what a phony he is.

blams
06-23-2015, 06:20 PM
Jordan did the same thing to Doug Collins (Actually, you can assume it was worse considering he's Michael Jordan and all)

WITZ
06-23-2015, 06:22 PM
I thought he was just keeping him from getting the T. I dunno.

This what it was ,but people love to make stories about non stories same way they did when he shoulder bumped Spoelstra :laugh2:

buck4493
06-23-2015, 06:26 PM
he should just be the head coach. He basically was and made the NBA finals. Apparently better than most coaches out there

flea
06-23-2015, 06:46 PM
He's a me-first guy. He deserves a me-first coach like Doc Rivers. Blatt did a great job with the Cavs defense, might be one of the biggest turnarounds from regular season to a playoffs Finals team. As far the post about his traveling, well yeah. He also breaks other rules consistently (as do other superstars) and doesn't get called for it. That's the NBA - the rules are different if you sell shoes.

Don't tell Lebron fans that though, they think he designs defensive sets, flies around defending 1-5 at elite levels, and even in the rare spots his teammates do something right on defense it was because he quarterbacked them into being in the right place. Most heroic superstar ever.

ILLUSIONIST^248
06-23-2015, 06:48 PM
He's a me-first guy. He deserves a me-first coach like Doc Rivers. Blatt did a great job with the Cavs defense, might be one of the biggest turnarounds from regular season to a playoffs Finals team. As far the post about his traveling, well yeah. He also breaks other rules consistently (as do other superstars) and doesn't get called for it. That's the NBA - the rules are different if you sell shoes.

Don't tell Lebron fans that though, they think he designs defensive sets, flies around defending 1-5 at elite levels, and even in the rare spots his teammates do something right on defense it was because he quarterbacked them into being in the right place. Most heroic superstar ever.^

andy2518
06-23-2015, 06:48 PM
Great post. I know most people will think I'm full of it since I'm so hard on lebron, but prior to 2010 I actually had a lot of respect for lebron and his game. But since colluding with his Miami buddies and ruining the integrity of the game I can't stand the man. Not to mention he treats everyone around him like his servants. As if they should be honored just to be in his presence. This includes all of his coaches. His fans have absolutely made it unbearable to like him as well. If people would rank him accordingly I wouldn't have to spend so much time showing lebron fans what a phony he is.

Thanks, just getting that off my chest really. I don't have so much of a problem with him going to Miami myself. Just the Jordan comparisons and blame deflecting mainly. As I said, the guy is a legend and an amazing athlete to have the privilege to watch. I just wish he would stop blaming others around him for his failures. True champions don't do that. Everyone comes up short now and then, it's how you handle it and take responsibility for it that matters. Both him and his fans need to start taking some responsibility in the bad times as well. When everything is going great it's all to Lebron's credit, then when things don't go right, it's everyone else's fault; teammates, front office, refs, coach, Blatt etc. All season long people were acting like Lebron was head coach and Blatt was assistant. Now all of the sudden Blatt is getting all of the blame from those same people who called him an assistant coach. Shouldn't Bron shoulder at least some of the blame too especially since they were referring to him as the head coach? Just seems like Bron gets all of the reward with none of the risk. Really sucks for Blatt because he is one heck of a coach and a proven winner many times over.

andy2518
06-23-2015, 06:50 PM
This what it was ,but people love to make stories about non stories same way they did when he shoulder bumped Spoelstra :laugh2:

Just look at the video, this was way different than that. Do you think he would have manhandled Phil Jackson or Gregg Popovich like that even if he was protecting them from a Technical?

andy2518
06-23-2015, 06:51 PM
Jordan did the same thing to Doug Collins (Actually, you can assume it was worse considering he's Michael Jordan and all)

I don't remember Jordan ever pushing Doug Collins. I watched a lot of Jordan too. I could be wrong though. There are many more things that are drawn to attention in this the age of social media.

KG2TB
06-23-2015, 06:54 PM
Blatts ok but he still called a timeout in game 4 against the bulls that should have cost them the game. He's kind of a weird guy...players in the nba need to relate to you and respect you...blatt doesn't fit those criteria.

Tony_Starks
06-23-2015, 07:02 PM
Seems like a lot of people didn't actually read the article. Talks about multiple instances of Lebron publicly undermining Blatt in the playoffs, including throwing such a tantrum about a play Blatt drew up that he had to tuck tail and scratch it in front of everybody. Blowing him off, shaking his head blatantly in disagreement when given direction.

It also had Windhorst, who knows about Lebron probably more than anyone (Lebrons own admission) saying that Lebron may actually keep Blatt because he likes "having him to kick around."

( insert obligatory Lebron defense from usual suspects)

ILLUSIONIST^248
06-23-2015, 07:12 PM
Seems like a lot of people didn't actually read the article. Talks about multiple instances of Lebron publicly undermining Blatt in the playoffs, including throwing such a tantrum about a play Blatt drew up that he had to tuck tail and scratch it in front of everybody. Blowing him off, shaking his head blatantly in disagreement when given direction.

It also had Windhorst, who knows about Lebron probably more than anyone (Lebrons own admission) saying that Lebron may actually keep Blatt because he likes "having him to kick around."

( insert obligatory Lebron defense from usual suspects)

Great points Mr Stark

Big Zo
06-23-2015, 07:26 PM
Blatt would get outcoached by Isaiah Thomas.

xbrackattackx
06-23-2015, 07:28 PM
Which one?

b-eazy19
06-23-2015, 07:29 PM
LeBeta is arogant crybaby...who is looking for exuses every single time when he fails...maybe decesion number 3 this time

Big Zo
06-23-2015, 07:32 PM
Which one?

The one that worked his magic with the Pacers, and Knicks.

andy2518
06-23-2015, 07:37 PM
Blatt would get outcoached by Isaiah Thomas.

Do you even know anything about David Blatt other than he was Lebron's coach this season?

Big Zo
06-23-2015, 07:40 PM
Do you even know anything about David Blatt other than he was Lebron's coach this season?

D'antoni was also considered a good coach overseas...

flea
06-23-2015, 07:43 PM
D'antoni was also considered a good coach overseas...

He is a good coach in the NBA. Almost every team runs the offense he popularized now and he coached one of the best teams of the 00s - even if they didn't win a title.

andy2518
06-23-2015, 07:50 PM
It is a weird situation with everything the media has chimed in but overall I'm not sure there is as big of an issue as people make it seem. The video is when he didn't want them to get the technical earlier in the season right? Can't watch it on my phone right now. Stein had a better finals seat than I did so he might be onto something but from what I saw most of the season wasn't a huge issue with a few little things being blown out of proportion (just like with spo). I think if Lebron actually had an issue with Blatt he would have been gone by now. With that said I do think Lebron has always had an entitled attitude so he was far from perfect and likes things his way.

Anyways Blatt may have had success outside of the NBA but that doesn't mean a ton to the media here or NBA players. Everyone, players/coaches/owners, need to prove they can do it in the NBA before they are given a ton of respect from people here. On top of that when you look at his body of work I think there are plenty of question marks about him still (rotation, attempted t/o call that could've blown the game, wanting james to inbound last sec shot etc). I haven't really seen enough of him to have a huge opinion on him but I really wasn't that impressed. I guess we don't know how things really went down but with some of what we have seen from Blatt I would probably question him a lot too (not by making him look bad though like stein said).

A lot of winning in the NBA has to do with being in the right situation for sure. Blatt is a great motivational speaker and does know a lot about the game. He had the Cavs playing the best defense in the NBA with Love and Kyrie out; that is of course if you don't want to credit Lebron for that too. Blatt is a six time Israeli Cup Champion, five time Israeli League Champion, and a Euroleague champion of just last year in 2014. The guy surely knows what it takes to win. He is by far the most qualified coach Lebron has ever had. I just don't see how losing this finals was his fault and not at all Lebron's. It just seems like this is the logic around the internet these days: Cavs playing great defense and showing a lot of heart win the first two out of three games in the finals; credit Lebron. Cavs just can't match the Warriors depth and lose the last three games and with them the finals; fault Blatt and teammates. Come on.


Here are his credentials just to put it out there:

As coach
Euroleague champion (2014)
Euroleague Coach of the Year (2014)
4× Israeli League Coach of the Year (1996, 2002, 2011, 2014)
6× Israeli Cup champion (2002, 2003, 2011–2014)
5× Israeli League champion (2002, 2003, 2011, 2012, 2014)
FIBA EuroChallenge champion (2005)
Russian Super League Coach of the Year (2005)
Italian League champion (2006)
Italian Cup champion (2007)
Adriatic League champion (2012)
Russian Federation Order of Friendship award recipient (2014)

Big Zo
06-23-2015, 07:50 PM
He is a good coach in the NBA. Almost every team runs the offense he popularized now and he coached one of the best teams of the 00s - even if they didn't win a title.
What has he done without Steve Nash?

andy2518
06-23-2015, 07:59 PM
D'antoni was also considered a good coach overseas...

What did D'Antoni win overseas?

D'Antoni is a good coach. Just got in some bad situations. He needs the right personnel to be successful. He knows his stuff, just is very stubborn and doesn't emphasize defense. Blatt on the other hand is a defensive specialist.

I asked you a question. What do you know about Blatt? Do you even know anything about Blatt's coaching style? I know it's become fashionable to bash Blatt recently and all, but you should at least know something about the guy who you are bashing.

andy2518
06-23-2015, 08:01 PM
What has he done without Steve Nash?

What has Gregg Popovich done without Tim Duncan?

nastynice
06-23-2015, 08:04 PM
Just look at the video, this was way different than that. Do you think he would have manhandled Phil Jackson or Gregg Popovich like that even if he was protecting them from a Technical?

good point. Lebron might just go down as one of the most tragic stories ever, had he been drafted into (or at least tasted early in his career) a situation where there was a proven coach and proper built team around him, I wonder how much success he could have had. Imagine him coming up under a coach like pat riley or phil jackson. If they drew up a play and told him to do something, and he said no, they'd tell him ok go ahead and take a seat n relax, then draw their play up with the back up, haha.

andy2518
06-23-2015, 08:11 PM
good point. Lebron might just go down as one of the most tragic stories ever, had he been drafted into (or at least tasted early in his career) a situation where there was a proven coach and proper built team around him, I wonder how much success he could have had. Imagine him coming up under a coach like pat riley or phil jackson. If they drew up a play and told him to do something, and he said no, they'd tell him ok go ahead and take a seat n relax, then draw their play up with the back up, haha.

Riley and Jax are straight up G's. Ya they would.

Blatt might have wanted to tell him that too, it's just that he is getting paid so much money he wants to keep his mouth shut for now until he can go ahead and write his own ticket just like Riley and Jax. Then he will be able to tell the pampered divas of the NBA to sit down lol.

Vinylman
06-23-2015, 08:24 PM
Blatt would get outcoached by Isaiah Thomas.

pure ignorance

mngopher35
06-23-2015, 08:29 PM
A lot of winning in the NBA has to do with being in the right situation for sure. Blatt is a great motivational speaker and does know a lot about the game. He had the Cavs playing the best defense in the NBA with Love and Kyrie out; that is of course if you don't want to credit Lebron for that too. Blatt is a six time Israeli Cup Champion, five time Israeli League Champion, and a Euroleague champion of just last year in 2014. The guy surely knows what it takes to win. He is by far the most qualified coach Lebron has ever had. I just don't see how losing this finals was his fault and not at all Lebron's. It just seems like this is the logic around the internet these days: Cavs playing great defense and showing a lot of heart win the first two out of three games in the finals; credit Lebron. Cavs just can't match the Warriors depth and lose the last three games and with them the finals; fault Blatt and teammates. Come on.


Here are his credentials just to put it out there:

As coach
Euroleague champion (2014)
Euroleague Coach of the Year (2014)
4× Israeli League Coach of the Year (1996, 2002, 2011, 2014)
6× Israeli Cup champion (2002, 2003, 2011–2014)
5× Israeli League champion (2002, 2003, 2011, 2012, 2014)
FIBA EuroChallenge champion (2005)
Russian Super League Coach of the Year (2005)
Italian League champion (2006)
Italian Cup champion (2007)
Adriatic League champion (2012)
Russian Federation Order of Friendship award recipient (2014)

I don't think losing in the finals was Lebron or Blatts fault, most people have been saying it's due to the lack of talent (after injuries). Their defense was good but there were also some issues in the finals after game 3 with it (and the lack of adjustments). Just like Lebron wasn't perfect either especially with his game 4 and 6 (I believe) performances. Why is there much blame anyways when they made it as far/further than people expected, Golden State was a much better team (and those who are getting more of the blame deserve it for their play)? I just haven't seen him getting much blame I guess as most people understand the context.

I know he has done a lot over seas but I still think he needs to prove it in the NBA before he gets the type of respect you seem to think he deserves. I do think he is a good coach but I wouldn't go as far as to say he's next in line behind phil and pop because of what he did outside of the NBA or anything. I wasn't overly impressed with him this year with everything I had heard but he didn't seem like a bad coach at all either. He is still unproven in the NBA and hasn't quite won over the medias respect yet but I do think he is a good enough coach to make it work with Cleveland.

andy2518
06-23-2015, 09:40 PM
pure ignorance

Tell me about it. Comparing Isaiah Thomas to David Blatt as a coach is just laughable.

Vinylman
06-23-2015, 09:43 PM
Tell me about it. Comparing Isaiah Thomas to David Blatt as a coach is just laughable.

I wish i could find the thread from the beginning of last year when i said Lebron would make Blatt's life miserable because Blatt is a student of the game... he would have been a great hire for any other team

to bad Le***** is ruining his rep

Big Zo
06-23-2015, 09:46 PM
Tell me about it. Comparing Isaiah Thomas to David Blatt as a coach is just laughable.
It's an insult to Isaiah.

andy2518
06-23-2015, 09:47 PM
I don't think losing in the finals was Lebron or Blatts fault, most people have been saying it's due to the lack of talent (after injuries). Their defense was good but there were also some issues in the finals after game 3 with it (and the lack of adjustments). Just like Lebron wasn't perfect either especially with his game 4 and 6 (I believe) performances. Why is there much blame anyways when they made it as far/further than people expected, Golden State was a much better team (and those who are getting more of the blame deserve it for their play)? I just haven't seen him getting much blame I guess as most people understand the context.

I know he has done a lot over seas but I still think he needs to prove it in the NBA before he gets the type of respect you seem to think he deserves. I do think he is a good coach but I wouldn't go as far as to say he's next in line behind phil and pop because of what he did outside of the NBA or anything. I wasn't overly impressed with him this year with everything I had heard but he didn't seem like a bad coach at all either. He is still unproven in the NBA and hasn't quite won over the medias respect yet but I do think he is a good enough coach to make it work with Cleveland.

Solid points. Losing in the finals was not either of their faults I agree. The GSW were just the better team and who knows what would have happened had the Cavs been healthy. Stein did allude to Lebron using Blatt as a scapegoat again in the future if things don't go right again, so I'm sure we haven't seen the last of the Blatt bashing and the media and Lebron's fan base will follow suit I'm sure. Either way, Blatt will be laughing all the way to the bank and he has earned that right.

andy2518
06-23-2015, 09:48 PM
It's an insult to Isaiah.

Now you're clearly trolling. Just stop.

andy2518
06-23-2015, 09:52 PM
I wish i could find the thread from the beginning of last year when i said Lebron would make Blatt's life miserable because Blatt is a student of the game... he would have been a great hire for any other team

to bad Le***** is ruining his rep

He is getting paid bank. He will move on from this job in a few years and I'm sure many teams in the NBA will love to have him. Then he will have more clout to deal with the next diva who tries to make his life miserable.

mngopher35
06-23-2015, 09:54 PM
Solid points. Losing in the finals was not either of their faults I agree. The GSW were just the better team and who knows what would have happened had the Cavs been healthy. Stein did allude to Lebron using Blatt as a scapegoat again in the future if things don't go right again, so I'm sure we haven't seen the last of the Blatt bashing and the media and Lebron's fan base will follow suit I'm sure. Either way, Blatt will be laughing all the way to the bank and he has earned that right.

I'm sure a few will (that will always happens with Lebron) but I think most people will only blame Blatt if he deserves it. Blatt should be in a pretty good position to help lead the cavs to the finals next year with a healthy team so he can maybe even add to those accolades too.

andy2518
06-23-2015, 10:04 PM
I'm sure a few will (that will always happens with Lebron) but I think most people will only blame Blatt if he deserves it. Blatt should be in a pretty good position to help lead the cavs to the finals next year with a healthy team so he can maybe even add to those accolades too.

Word.

Bigdaddyburch
06-23-2015, 10:25 PM
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Quite the list to be sure. One thing I did not see on that list was experience in the American League or experience in the American type game. (Maybe he has some I dont know)Euro Ball is quite different. He was massively out coached in the finals. He made zero adjustments nkt in scheme nor personnel. He might not have had a lot of options but when things are swinging he should have at least tried something to get a spark. His players were gassed and he kept them out there.

ILLUSIONIST^248
06-24-2015, 12:16 AM
Tell me about it. Comparing Isaiah Thomas to David Blatt as a coach is just laughable.
It's an insult to Isaiah.

:violin: lebron is a sissy boy diva who hand picked his way to a 2-4 finals record. Stop being so sour

5ass
06-24-2015, 12:27 AM
:violin: lebron is a sissy boy diva who hand picked his way to a 2-4 finals record. Stop being so sour

You'd think as a Lakers fan you'd be interested in other things like the draft, but no you haven't had one post regarding the draft. Literally your whole purpose on PSD is to talk **** about LeBron. Your post history just shows how obsessive you are. Its really a mental sickness at this point. How sad. :violin:

Hawkeye15
06-24-2015, 12:37 AM
LeBron should burn in hell

Hawkeye15
06-24-2015, 12:38 AM
:violin: lebron is a sissy boy diva who hand picked his way to a 2-4 finals record. Stop being so sour

seek help

ewing
06-24-2015, 05:44 AM
seek help


hIS post was 100% accurate

ILLUSIONIST^248
06-24-2015, 06:18 AM
:violin: lebron is a sissy boy diva who hand picked his way to a 2-4 finals record. Stop being so sour

You'd think as a Lakers fan you'd be interested in other things like the draft, but no you haven't had one post regarding the draft. Literally your whole purpose on PSD is to talk **** about LeBron. Your post history just shows how obsessive you are. Its really a mental sickness at this point. How sad. :violin:

I'll talk about the draft when it's here. I have unfinished biz with the leboners.

IBleedPurple
06-24-2015, 08:07 AM
He's a me-first guy. He deserves a me-first coach like Doc Rivers. Blatt did a great job with the Cavs defense, might be one of the biggest turnarounds from regular season to a playoffs Finals team. As far the post about his traveling, well yeah. He also breaks other rules consistently (as do other superstars) and doesn't get called for it. That's the NBA - the rules are different if you sell shoes.

Don't tell Lebron fans that though, they think he designs defensive sets, flies around defending 1-5 at elite levels, and even in the rare spots his teammates do something right on defense it was because he quarterbacked them into being in the right place. Most heroic superstar ever.This. No secret Lebron throws his teammates under the bus, breaks rules, and is the pseudo-coach according to him. What else is new?

Big Zo
06-24-2015, 09:46 AM
:violin: lebron is a sissy boy diva who hand picked his way to a 2-4 finals record. Stop being so sour

You sound as if i'm defending LeBron?

Tony_Starks
06-24-2015, 10:19 AM
Not really shocking though, when he came back to Cleveland it was pretty obvious they had to enable him to do whatever he wants now. He feels entitled at this point after the way Gilbert treated him when he left.

That was a big reason he left MIA because Pat Riley is from the old school. Doesn't matter who you are, he's not going to let a player run his organization and just do whatever he wants.

Now Lebron has the keys to the organization, he can disrespect the coach in front of everyone and who's gonna call him it?

Chronz
06-24-2015, 10:37 AM
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Chronz
06-24-2015, 10:41 AM
Remember the days when the greatest coach ever wanted to trade his teams 2nd best star because he hated him, only to grow to love him. Blatt will get the respect once he earns it.

ewing
06-24-2015, 10:47 AM
remember the days when the greatest coach ever wanted to trade his teams 2nd best star because he hated him, only to grow to love him. Blatt will get the respect once he earns it.


i've had ******* coaches who coached with that philosophy, they treated you like **** until you earned. However, as a player you are supposed to treat your coach with respect from the jump or at least until he earns disrespect. LeBron is a *******. Just facts. I know you will apologize for him and blame the haters but he's ******* and isn't smart enough hide it well

SLY WILLIAMS
06-24-2015, 11:00 AM
When a star player openly disrespects and walks all over a coach it makes it near impossible for that coach to do his job. I have seen that with the Knicks. You can not let the inmates run the asylum. If Lebron thinks he should be the coach then he should tell the ownership to make him the player coach. Until then Lebron should show the kind of respect to others that he expects others to show him.

Chronz
06-24-2015, 11:19 AM
i've had ******* coaches who coached with that philosophy, they treated you like **** until you earned. However, as a player you are supposed to treat your coach with respect from the jump or at least until he earns disrespect. LeBron is a *******. Just facts. I know you will apologize for him and blame the haters but he's ******* and isn't smart enough hide it well

I disagree, I dont think respect is blindly applied to anyone with the title of "coach". Like I never blamed Magic when he humiliated his coach day 1, or when he got another buffoon fired.

I see no facts, just subjectivity. Which is fine, but what you call a ***** may not be to someone else.

cmellofan15
06-24-2015, 11:42 AM
lebron is a sissy boy diva? hahahahaha this is the same guy who consistently asks people how old they are calling another man a "sissy boy diva" and capped it off with an emoji. the irony.

D-Leethal
06-24-2015, 11:49 AM
I disagree, I dont think respect is blindly applied to anyone with the title of "coach". Like I never blamed Magic when he humiliated his coach day 1, or when he got another buffoon fired.

I see no facts, just subjectivity. Which is fine, but what you call a ***** may not be to someone else.

If LeBron wants Blatt fired he can get him fired tomorrow. If he doesn't choose to do that, he should respect the player-coach hierarchy and not taint his lockeroom by dogging his coach in front of the entire world and his teammates. I don't think LeBron will get Blatt fired because I think he enjoys having a coach that he can establish as being beneath him in the hierarchy - he wants his teammates to look right past the coach at him as the leader of the team. A coach that commands respect wouldn't let that happen, and I don't think LeBron wants that guy around.

kdspurman
06-24-2015, 11:55 AM
When a star player openly disrespects and walks all over a coach it makes it near impossible for that coach to do his job. I have seen that with the Knicks. You can not let the inmates run the asylum. If Lebron thinks he should be the coach then he should tell the ownership to make him the player coach. Until then Lebron should show the kind of respect to others that he expects others to show him.

Yup. I know you put something similar in the other thread that i mentioned this article in. There is no positive way to spin this. Blatt is the coach. If you have issues, express them behind closed doors, and not with other players around or not on national television.

Chronz
06-24-2015, 12:02 PM
If LeBron wants Blatt fired he can get him fired tomorrow. If he doesn't choose to do that, he should respect the player-coach hierarchy and not taint his lockeroom by dogging his coach in front of the entire world and his teammates. I don't think LeBron will get Blatt fired because I think he enjoys having a coach that he can establish as being beneath him in the hierarchy - he wants his teammates to look right past the coach at him as the leader of the team. A coach that commands respect wouldn't let that happen, and I don't think LeBron wants that guy around.

How often is a coach actually above the star?

Sometimes personalities don't mesh.

SLY WILLIAMS
06-24-2015, 12:03 PM
Yup. I know you put something similar in the other thread that i mentioned this article in. There is no positive way to spin this. Blatt is the coach. If you have issues, express them behind closed doors, and not with other players around or not on national television.

You are right. When Pop came back to the Spurs (as GM then coach) he was not a big name. He was a former assistant coach who was fired by Red. David and Duncan both treated him with respect. By doing that they set a professional example.

Chronz
06-24-2015, 12:06 PM
When a star player openly disrespects and walks all over a coach it makes it near impossible for that coach to do his job. I have seen that with the Knicks. You can not let the inmates run the asylum. If Lebron thinks he should be the coach then he should tell the ownership to make him the player coach. Until then Lebron should show the kind of respect to others that he expects others to show him.
I've seen the lakers win titles with some toxic settings. Not ideal and definitely unsustainable but coaches rarely are

kdspurman
06-24-2015, 12:37 PM
You are right. When Pop came back to the Spurs (as GM then coach) he was not a big name. He was a former assistant coach who was fired by Red. David and Duncan both treated him with respect. By doing that they set a professional example.

Indeed. I think both of those guys were more mature and professional (especially D-Rob as a Navy guy). Discipline and respect was something those guys had already coming in. And for Tim, of course it helped having D-Rob as a mentor and seeing him carry himself the way he did.

Many athletes today don't really have that when they come into the league. I think Lebron falls under that to a certain degree. Great basketball mind, but lacking respect at times. And i get there are disagreements and what not, but this just feels like Lebron wants everyone to know he runs things

D-Leethal
06-24-2015, 12:54 PM
How often is a coach actually above the star?

Sometimes personalities don't mesh.

Above the star in the sense that the star actually listens to and respects him in front of his teammates and the public eye? Quite often, actually. Above the star as in the owner would keep the coach over the player? Very rarely. If LeBron doesn't want him there, he can get him fired tomorrow, and that is what he should do rather than keep him around as his lapdog whipping boy so he can keep firing off public innuendo's that Blatt is a moron and he is the guy running the show to enhance his own ego.

Chronz
06-24-2015, 01:06 PM
Above the star in the sense that the star actually listens to and respects him in front of his teammates and the public eye? Quite often, actually. Above the star as in the owner would keep the coach over the player? Very rarely. If LeBron doesn't want him there, he can get him fired tomorrow, and that is what he should do rather than keep him around as his lapdog whipping boy so he can keep firing off public innuendo's that Blatt is a moron and he is the guy running the show to enhance his own ego.
I dont know about that, I think Cleveland knows they have some leverage against Bron's homecoming. Dont think they want to be on the books paying 4 coaches.

I dont know how often it happens with transcendent stars to be honest. Bird, Magic, Kobe have all clashed with some HOF level coaches and openly ignored their requests. I've heard of players coming out of huddles only to have their mini-huddle and run the play they feel would be best.

No matter the coach, I dont think Bron needs to let anyone know who's really running things, everyone knows regardless. Coaches rarely run things above the stars IMO.

Jayb587
06-24-2015, 01:23 PM
Lebron has 3 prime years left max. He needs to demand a coach who will help him win. Not someone he can run over. If blatt stays I predict they will struggle to win in the finals against the better coached western conference champions.

ewing
06-24-2015, 02:16 PM
If the team is healthy and loses next year bron can hint that it was blatts fault and get him fired in the off season. Blatt is very valuable. He's staying

NYKalltheway
06-24-2015, 03:15 PM
I wanted Blatt to coach the Knicks right after D'Antoni. People in the Knicks section were like "wtf?". I'm pretty sure lots of them have changed their minds by now :)

JasonJohnHorn
06-24-2015, 07:58 PM
According to Phil Jackson, his footwork is unbecoming lol.
"I watch LeBron James, for example," he said. "He might [travel] every other time he catches the basketball if he's off the ball. He catches the ball, moves both his feet. You see it happen all the time. There's no structure, there's no discipline, there's no 'How do we play this game' type of attitude. And it goes all the way through the game. To the point where now guys don't screen—they push guys off with their hands."
I find it ironic when Jackson says this $#!T when Jordan was notorious for travelling and Jackson didn't seem to critical of it when it earned him 6 rings.

Chronz
06-24-2015, 08:04 PM
I wanted Blatt to coach the Knicks right after D'Antoni. People in the Knicks section were like "wtf?". I'm pretty sure lots of them have changed their minds by now :)

Hed be a better fit on a rebuilding team, Bron can make or break careers.

nastynice
06-24-2015, 10:01 PM
, but this just feels like Lebron wants everyone to know he runs things

Which is fine, but then he shouldn't change his tune after a loss and act like there was nothing he could do about it. Pick a lane n stay with it, feel me

nastynice
06-24-2015, 10:02 PM
I find it ironic when Jackson says this $#!T when Jordan was notorious for travelling and Jackson didn't seem to critical of it when it earned him 6 rings.

The hell?? Jordan used to travel? I don't remember that at all

kdspurman
06-25-2015, 10:00 AM
Which is fine, but then he shouldn't change his tune after a loss and act like there was nothing he could do about it. Pick a lane n stay with it, feel me

Exactly.... :nod: