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Clippersfan86
06-22-2015, 10:49 PM
Anyone see this? Even with cap jump this dude is a 3rd best player on a team type asking for franchise player money. When asked if the rumor is true he confirmed with "I don't think it's unreasonable". Blown/torn Achilles are arguably THE worst injury to recover from in basketball. Much worse than an MCL or ACL.


http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/blazers/2015/06/22/wes-matthews-achilles-injury-free-agency-trail-blazers/29133409/

PurpleJesus
06-22-2015, 10:59 PM
You are going to see a lot of players demanding money that seems ridiculous, because we look at cap situations as they are now...but the players and their agent know what the cap situation will look like in the near future.

Cal827
06-22-2015, 11:06 PM
You are going to see a lot of players demanding money that seems ridiculous, because we look at cap situations as they are now...but the players and their agent know what the cap situation will look like in the near future.

This.

With how the cap is expected to rise, it's gonna be considered a fair deal.

shep33
06-22-2015, 11:14 PM
So do I

likemystylez
06-22-2015, 11:28 PM
You are going to see a lot of players demanding money that seems ridiculous, because we look at cap situations as they are now...but the players and their agent know what the cap situation will look like in the near future.

I agree with this- when the new cap comes out- any regular rotation player is going to want over 8 million a year. The new midlevel will probably be between 10-11

likemystylez
06-22-2015, 11:33 PM
also- if there was ever a time to get super greedy and go a little bit overboard when going after a big contract- now would probably be it. Every agent is well aware of that.

numba1CHANGsta
06-22-2015, 11:38 PM
LOL the NBA is becoming to be a big joke

tredigs
06-22-2015, 11:40 PM
The only thing that makes it an 'lol' is the unknown of his injury. And it's not a small thing by any means, but when healthy that's the going rate for a player with his skill set.

alexander_37
06-22-2015, 11:53 PM
I can ask for 15 million a year at my job to. I'm never getting it but I could ask.

likemystylez
06-23-2015, 12:15 AM
LOL the NBA is becoming to be a big joke

well- theres money to be made. Despite One team playing with a d league roster in the nba finals- it still got the best ratings in 2 decades. Warriors are fun to watch and all- but this drew more than the 08 celtics vs lakers? come on now!!!

-Kobe24-TJ19-
06-23-2015, 12:16 AM
LOL the NBA is becoming to be a big joke

it already is

Corey
06-23-2015, 12:18 AM
If Im the Celtics I'll give it to him if it means getting Aldridge too.

All for that package.

(I know its unrealistic)

Bruno
06-23-2015, 12:55 AM
Alec Burks got $12M last season, when we were further from the cap increase than we are now. based off what Matthews has been and what his market has gotten $15M wouldn't be that outrageous, although the achilles injury throws everything into question. Thats a high price for a gamble and his injury was one of the most unfortunately timed injuries relative to a player peaking while expiring that I've ever seen. really tough injury for matthews have to feel for the guy.

nysportsfan23
06-23-2015, 01:16 AM
15 mil under the new cap is basically 11 mil under current cap. He's adjusting his market value for the new cap.

naps
06-23-2015, 01:21 AM
It's not "lol" worthy at all. If healthy he is one of the best 2 way guard in the league.

nysportsfan23
06-23-2015, 01:21 AM
Looking at the next 2016 FA class, you're better off going on an all out spending spree this offseason, unless you have a shot at Durant. Everyone wants Anthony Davis, but there's no chance in hell New Orleans doesn't match. The rest are non-difference makers or highly unlikely to leave their teams.

naps
06-23-2015, 01:24 AM
If you are totally fine with DJ getting max money then you shouldn't be surprised about this.

5ass
06-23-2015, 01:26 AM
The only thing that makes it an 'lol' is the unknown of his injury. And it's not a small thing by any means, but when healthy that's the going rate for a player with his skill set.

Exactly this.

Gander13SM
06-23-2015, 01:59 AM
15 mil under the new cap is basically 11 mil under current cap. He's adjusting his market value for the new cap.

This.

People are going to get "overpaid" this offseason but it will look like a normal salary for someone of that level in a couple years.

Clippersfan86
06-23-2015, 02:32 AM
If you are totally fine with DJ getting max money then you shouldn't be surprised about this.

I'm not fine with it, although Wes Matthews is nowhere near the impact player DJ is, so that's a bad comparison. DJ is ranked 9th in the NBA in WS/48 at over .200. Wes Matthews is around 40th at .147

NYSpirit1
06-23-2015, 03:17 AM
This.

With how the cap is expected to rise, it's gonna be considered a fair deal.

But the thing is, it hasn't risen yet. If teams pay him they'll be beyond strapped this year.

matt800
06-23-2015, 03:23 AM
Blazers went from a competitive team to a below average team with the loss of Wes Matthews. They went from winning 68% of their games, to winning 45% of their games. So he is definitely valuable, assuming he comes back from the injury.

If he gets 10 mil this year, and then 15-20 after that, that would be reasonable sounding, assuming he is healthy.

Raps08-09 Champ
06-23-2015, 03:31 AM
He'll get like $10 mil max.

naps
06-23-2015, 04:26 AM
I'm not fine with it, although Wes Matthews is nowhere near the impact player DJ is, so that's a bad comparison. DJ is ranked 9th in the NBA in WS/48 at over .200. Wes Matthews is around 40th at .147

DJ is a defensive anchor and a great rebounder but I cant justify paying max money to a guy who I cant trust in the 4th because of his offensive deficiencies. Mathews is a constant and important cog at any point of a game at both ends. Cant say that about DJ. Point is with the cap rising and with so many inferior players getting paid so much around the league this is certainly not lol worthy, assuming he gets back to being the player he was pre-injury.

OlivaThor
06-23-2015, 06:32 AM
He can ask whatever he wants. 15 mil for him after injury? Fluck off. Blazers are done if they pay him. Lamarcus leaving, they stay with chocking Damian, overpay Matthews and Nicolas no show Batum

MonroeFAN
06-23-2015, 08:20 AM
As early as last season, inferior players cashed in on comparable contracts. Not sure why this is lol worthy. If he were healthy I would consider it. As mentioned earlier, he's one of the best two-way guards in the league.

IndyRealist
06-23-2015, 09:09 AM
Anyone see this? Even with cap jump this dude is a 3rd best player on a team type asking for franchise player money. When asked if the rumor is true he confirmed with "I don't think it's unreasonable". Blown/torn Achilles are arguably THE worst injury to recover from in basketball. Much worse than an MCL or ACL.


http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/blazers/2015/06/22/wes-matthews-achilles-injury-free-agency-trail-blazers/29133409/

The issue is that you still think $15m is franchise player money. In a year it'll be the average vet starter, and Wes is above average. Everyone a going to get more money, not just the max guys.

Clippersfan86
06-23-2015, 09:28 AM
The issue is that you still think $15m is franchise player money. In a year it'll be the average vet starter, and Wes is above average. Everyone a going to get more money, not just the max guys.

Look if the team's cap goes up 20 million that doesn't equate to 5 mill more for a starter necessarily when role players/bench guys get raises too. People are exaggerating this.

mjt20mik
06-23-2015, 09:31 AM
People forget that Wes was one of the best two way guards in this league before his injury. Not sure I understand the lol

Clippersfan86
06-23-2015, 09:46 AM
People forget that Wes was one of the best two way guards in this league before his injury. Not sure I understand the lol

Which player do you remember has blown their achilles and been the same or better? I can't remember one. How has Kobe's career gone? Chauncey Billups? If he is the same or better it's at least SOMEWHAT understandable but given the circumstances it's very lol worthy.

Tony_Starks
06-23-2015, 09:49 AM
I'd pay it. No question.

KG2TB
06-23-2015, 10:03 AM
Does he want 15 mil for one season or does he think he's going to get a multi year deal? Why would anyone sign him to that amount over multiple years when he may never be the same player and may never even stay healthy again? I could see a team with cap space signing him to a one year deal with a team option to see how he looks but I wouldn't go any further than that.

Clippersfan86
06-23-2015, 10:16 AM
Does he want 15 mil for one season or does he think he's going to get a multi year deal? Why would anyone sign him to that amount over multiple years when he may never be the same player and may never even stay healthy again? I could see a team with cap space signing him to a one year deal with a team option to see how he looks but I wouldn't go any further than that.

Yea, 15 mill for just 1 season to see full cap jump ramifications+make sure he's the same is fair but he's definitely seeking multi year.

IndyRealist
06-23-2015, 10:17 AM
Look if the team's cap goes up 20 million that doesn't equate to 5 mill more for a starter necessarily when role players/bench guys get raises too. People are exaggerating this.

Teams will have one or two max guys, then a strter or two making about $10-15m, and a couple of rookie scale guys who won't get raises. There will be bench guys making more, but only $1-2m more. End of bench guys will be on whatever min deal they can get. Top 8, tops, will see substantially more money. More likely top 6, and that"a not including rookie scale guys. They"'re not going to say, "well there's 15 players, so everyone gets an extra million and change". The NBA isn't that socialist.

MonroeFAN
06-23-2015, 10:20 AM
Which player do you remember has blown their achilles and been the same or better? I can't remember one. How has Kobe's career gone? Chauncey Billups? If he is the same or better it's at least SOMEWHAT understandable but given the circumstances it's very lol worthy.

Are you talking about two players who are/were in their 30's and well past their prime?

Clippersfan86
06-23-2015, 10:21 AM
Teams will have one or two max guys, then a strter or two making about $10-15m, and a couple of rookie scale guys who won't get raises. There will be bench guys making more, but only $1-2m more. End of bench guys will be on whatever min deal they can get. Top 8, tops, will see substantially more money. More likely top 6, and that"a not including rookie scale guys. They"'re not going to say, "well there's 15 players, so everyone gets an extra million and change". The NBA isn't that socialist.

That may be the average scenario but people are acting like it's a guarantee all rosters will be built this way. When you overlap with contracts with years left under old CBA, it allows for temporary, massive flexibility. For example CP3/Griffin still having 2 and 3 years left on deals if they pick up options. Some teams could sign a 3rd or 4th superstar with new increase for a short term of say 2 years till Griffin's deal ends.

IndyRealist
06-23-2015, 10:31 AM
That may be the average scenario but people are acting like it's a guarantee all rosters will be built this way. When you overlap with contracts with years left under old CBA, it allows for temporary, massive flexibility. For example CP3/Griffin still having 2 and 3 years left on deals if they pick up options. Some teams could sign a 3rd or 4th superstar with new increase for a short term of say 2 years till Griffin's deal ends.

I agree, a couple of teams will do exactly that. Your team will do that. But if even a handful of teams follow the average curve, Wes Matthews will get paid. So while it would be ridiculous for the Clippers to pay him, it'd be perfectly reasonable for the another team to.

Clippersfan86
06-23-2015, 10:39 AM
I agree, a couple of teams will do exactly that. Your team will do that. But if even a handful of teams follow the average curve, Wes Matthews will get paid. So while it would be ridiculous for the Clippers to pay him, it'd be perfectly reasonable for the another team to.

Fair enough assuming he's the same but blown achilles man

MonroeFAN
06-23-2015, 10:41 AM
Nothing to add to my quote of your hilariously invalid comparison to Kobe and billups?

BKLYNpigeon
06-23-2015, 10:51 AM
15mil a year is about right for Wes Matthews. give or take a few mil.

Wes is one of the better 2 way guards in the NBA. He's a great defender and can knock down the 3. He can fit in anyones system.

The big question is his achellies injury, but he's still fairly young at 28. I think he will recover well. He's worthy of a 4 year deal at around 55-60 mil.

Clippersfan86
06-23-2015, 10:56 AM
Nothing to add to my quote of your hilariously invalid comparison to Kobe and billups?

He has yet to play a game so how can you call my point hilariously bad? That's dumb. I asked for one example of a player who blew his achilles and came back the same or better. Billups and Kobe were just examples of recent ones.

Clippersfan86
06-23-2015, 11:05 AM
http://mweb.cbssports.com/nba/fantasy-basketball-today/25095586/history-not-kind-for-ruptured-achilles

Elton Brand was the same age. Was never the same. I watched it happen live. Monroe if you are going to call people out you better have your **** straight.

Chronz
06-23-2015, 11:05 AM
As been said. When healthy he's easily worth it but he's not coming back the same. Only Dominique can make that claim.

Clippersfan86
06-23-2015, 11:08 AM
Basically that article shows that in NBA HISTORY Nique is the only player to ever come back the same out of dozens who've had the injury. That was back in freaking 1992-1993.

BKLYNpigeon
06-23-2015, 11:28 AM
I hated to see his Injury. I feel that Wes is an over good dude and really talented player. Just sucks to see a player go down on his contract year.

Scoots
06-23-2015, 11:32 AM
well- theres money to be made. Despite One team playing with a d league roster in the nba finals- it still got the best ratings in 2 decades. Warriors are fun to watch and all- but this drew more than the 08 celtics vs lakers? come on now!!!

In the Cavs area they are now talking up that roster that they were hammering during the finals.

Scoots
06-23-2015, 11:36 AM
Matthews, if healthy, is worth it ... with the injury he'll probably accept a few million less.

Lo Porto
06-23-2015, 11:59 AM
Anything $12 or less is an absolute bargain. He's an all purpose guy who makes a team better.

Gander13SM
06-23-2015, 12:24 PM
Anything $12 or less is an absolute bargain. He's an all purpose guy who makes a team better.

Twelve dollars would be a bargain for any player.

pebloemer
06-23-2015, 12:50 PM
Not sure why that is LOL worthy. Someone will pay him close to that on a multi year deal. This is the business of FA in the NBA. Especially with an a cap that is about to spike.

MonroeFAN
06-23-2015, 01:08 PM
http://mweb.cbssports.com/nba/fantasy-basketball-today/25095586/history-not-kind-for-ruptured-achilles

Elton Brand was the same age. Was never the same. I watched it happen live. Monroe if you are going to call people out you better have your **** straight.

Lol at finding one example.

Your comments are so feeble minded it's not even funny. He's a 3 and d player. It's not even remotely the same as Kobe Bryant, or Billups who simply regressed, injury or not.

Clippersfan86
06-23-2015, 01:26 PM
Lol at finding one example.

Your comments are so feeble minded it's not even funny. He's a 3 and d player. It's not even remotely the same as Kobe Bryant, or Billups who simply regressed, injury or not.

Um what? Did you even read the article you fool? Only ONE player out of dozens has returned the same and it was Nique. I merely gave one example I personally saw happen to my team along with Billups. God your reading comprehension is awful. Read the ****ing article.

Clippersfan86
06-23-2015, 01:27 PM
Not sure why that is LOL worthy. Someone will pay him close to that on a multi year deal. This is the business of FA in the NBA. Especially with an a cap that is about to spike.

Its lol worthy because of the blown Achilles.

Clippersfan86
06-23-2015, 01:32 PM
Out of probably 30-40 NBA players who have sustained the injury, only 14 have ever laced up again and only ONE has continued at similar or better production after. The average age for the injury has been 29 years old. Meaning it's relatively young. Elton Brand was 28 years old. We aren't talking about 70 year old players here. Him being a 3+D player is irrelevant to coming back from injury..

Clippersfan86
06-23-2015, 01:48 PM
Dupe.

Sadds The Gr8
06-23-2015, 02:01 PM
It's not "lol" worthy at all. If healthy he is one of the best 2 way guard in the league.

this

2-ONE-5
06-23-2015, 02:15 PM
Lol at finding one example.

Your comments are so feeble minded it's not even funny. He's a 3 and d player. It's not even remotely the same as Kobe Bryant, or Billups who simply regressed, injury or not.

Bradns achilles wasnt even his issue, he injured his shoulder early in his first year with the sixers and it messed him up.

Clippersfan86
06-23-2015, 02:57 PM
Bradns achilles wasnt even his issue, he injured his shoulder early in his first year with the sixers and it messed him up.

Naw. Brand never had the same athleticism or explosiveness again. The Achilles definitely had a hand in it. PS What's up with people continuously saying he's worth this contract with ZERO mention of the injury only 1 player has come back from at a high level.

2-ONE-5
06-23-2015, 03:02 PM
i watched him first hand his achillies was fine when he got here and he didnt lose much nor did he rely on his athleticism anyway but he separated his shoulder on a freak injury early in the season and had to get surgery. Even after all that he was still alright just not worth 80mil of course.

Clippersfan86
06-23-2015, 03:09 PM
i watched him first hand his achillies was fine when he got here and he didnt lose much nor did he rely on his athleticism anyway but he separated his shoulder on a freak injury early in the season and had to get surgery. Even after all that he was still alright just not worth 80mil of course.

You think it was fine because you got him post injury. You didn't watch prime Brand much apparently. He was never an incredible jumper, but he was a very underrated athlete. Trust me I watched his entire career besides the 1 year with the Bulls. I remember vividly listening to the radio when news broke of Brand being traded for Tyson Chandler. He lost a lot of his explosiveness and quickness. I didn't say his shoulder injury didn't hurt his time in Philly.. I'm saying that post Achilles he was never anything close to the same player despite being a skill based, 28 year old and it had little to do with a shoulder injury.

JWO35
06-23-2015, 03:14 PM
lol if you think a team isn't willing to give him that(or in the ballpark)...

Clippersfan86
06-23-2015, 03:25 PM
lol if you think a team isn't willing to give him that(or in the ballpark)...

So you'd support your team paying him this with a blown achilles? Okay.

JWO35
06-23-2015, 06:17 PM
So you'd support your team paying him this with a blown achilles? Okay.

My opinion on my team signing Matthews for 15mil/yr wouldn't matter, but it would prove my point on a team willing to sign him for that amount.

Clippersfan86
06-23-2015, 06:32 PM
My opinion on my team signing Matthews for 15mil/yr wouldn't matter, but it would prove my point on a team willing to sign him for that amount.

That remains to be seen. I doubt he gets anything close until he can prove he's still the same player. UNLESS it's a 1 year deal to prove himself.

mike_noodles
06-23-2015, 07:13 PM
I don't think it's that far fetched to pay $15m to a healthy Matthews. To be honest, that would fit under the Raptors cap and I wouldn't care one bit if they gave him the whole thing.

Scoots
06-23-2015, 07:16 PM
You think it was fine because you got him post injury. You didn't watch prime Brand much apparently. He was never an incredible jumper, but he was a very underrated athlete. Trust me I watched his entire career besides the 1 year with the Bulls. I remember vividly listening to the radio when news broke of Brand being traded for Tyson Chandler. He lost a lot of his explosiveness and quickness. I didn't say his shoulder injury didn't hurt his time in Philly.. I'm saying that post Achilles he was never anything close to the same player despite being a skill based, 28 year old and it had little to do with a shoulder injury.

I agree. Brand was a faster, more athletic, smarter, better passing, better shooting, more skilled ZBo before the injury ... after the injury he lost his acceleration and his already limited vertical.

Clippersfan86
06-23-2015, 07:29 PM
I don't think it's that far fetched to pay $15m to a healthy Matthews. To be honest, that would fit under the Raptors cap and I wouldn't care one bit if they gave him the whole thing.

But why speak in the hypothetical? The reality is he IS injured and most posters in here are disregarding that.

Clippersfan86
06-23-2015, 07:31 PM
I agree. Brand was a faster, more athletic, smarter, better passing, better shooting, more skilled ZBo before the injury ... after the injury he lost his acceleration and his already limited vertical.

He was just a notch below prime KG/Duncan for that 2006 year. Better than C Webb IMO since Chris couldn't defend worth a ****. DOPY worthy, 24/10/3 and he was an absolute BEAST in the playoffs when he finally got there in 06.

matt800
06-23-2015, 08:44 PM
As a Portland fan, I've had concerns about Wes' longevity.

He has a 'power through it' mentality which worked for him when he was younger, but has been showing signs of hurting him over the last few years. He has definitely improved at paying attention to his health, rather than just blindly charging forward, but he has a lot of room to improve and may need to do that quickly.

I had a feeling he might not be the best investment for Portland going forward, so hopefully there are other good options.

Vinylman
06-23-2015, 09:10 PM
Which player do you remember has blown their achilles and been the same or better? I can't remember one. How has Kobe's career gone? Chauncey Billups? If he is the same or better it's at least SOMEWHAT understandable but given the circumstances it's very lol worthy.

only guy ever to come back from it was NiQue

If he wasn't hurt it wouldn't be a big deal nor is it a problem on a 1 year deal

but in the context of his injury a contract like that for multiple years is simply irresponsible

Vinylman
06-23-2015, 09:12 PM
Teams will have one or two max guys, then a strter or two making about $10-15m, and a couple of rookie scale guys who won't get raises. There will be bench guys making more, but only $1-2m more. End of bench guys will be on whatever min deal they can get. Top 8, tops, will see substantially more money. More likely top 6, and that"a not including rookie scale guys. They"'re not going to say, "well there's 15 players, so everyone gets an extra million and change". The NBA isn't that socialist.

that logic is all good and fine until the lockout ... then you will see how absurd it is when the top player on a team is getting 45-50% of a teams cap...

teams can get themselves into a mess over the next couple of years.

IndyRealist
06-23-2015, 09:20 PM
that logic is all good and fine until the lockout ... then you will see how absurd it is when the top player on a team is getting 45-50% of a teams cap...

teams can get themselves into a mess over the next couple of years.
Players will not negotiate 50% max contracts. Every NBA player has a vote, and frankly that's not in the interests of 95% of players. Those type of numbers will not move much, what players will strike for will be a bigger percentage of BRI.

Vinylman
06-23-2015, 09:32 PM
Players will not negotiate 50% max contracts. Every NBA player has a vote, and frankly that's not in the interests of 95% of players. Those type of numbers will not move much, what players will strike for will be a bigger percentage of BRI.

wrong... there is a reason lebron is taking a lead role... the max formula will definitely change....

fwiw there are a ton of provisions that aren't in the best interest of 95% of the players (free agency, inability to sign an extension at any time, etc...)