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Clippersfan86
06-18-2015, 12:40 PM
No prominent sources, just rumors from an ESPN article+twitter buzz going on. Apparently the Nuggets want a 1st round pick so the Clippers are working hard to package Crawford for a pick.

http://espn.go.com/blog/los-angeles-clippers/post/_/id/8010/rivers-eyes-reserve-role-for-stephenson-will-find-a-starting-sf

Middle of this link.

Paul
Redick
Chandler
Griffin
Jordan

6th man: Born Ready

Not bad. Odds you guys think this gets done? Nuggets can use it as cap dump too since Crawford only has 1 mill guarantee for next year and they want to move Chandler anyway.

MILLERHIGHLIFE
06-18-2015, 12:46 PM
Post doesn't make sense. First you say Denver wants a pick. Then later say Clippers want a pick. So who gets a pick? :eyebrow:

IBleedPurple
06-18-2015, 12:48 PM
Post doesn't make sense. First you say Denver wants a pick. Then later say Clippers want a pick. So who gets a pick? :eyebrow:I took it as Clips trying to trade Crawford for a 1st so they can then trade for ill will....until I read the end.

Clippersfan86
06-18-2015, 12:49 PM
Post doesn't make sense. First you say Denver wants a pick. Then later say Clippers want a pick. So who gets a pick? :eyebrow:

Denver prefers a pick, so the Clippers are shopping Crawford for a pick to give to Denver for Chandler. Although a Crawford+Wilcox for Chandler deal has been discussed. Jamal has been making a lot of passive aggressive tweets about the Clippers last couple days too which makes this more believable. He's a goner .

Pakman
06-18-2015, 12:52 PM
How's chandler on D? I know he can shoot but never really watched him.

MILLERHIGHLIFE
06-18-2015, 12:54 PM
I read a article last week Clippers wanted to buy a pick to draft a rim protector.

IBleedPurple
06-18-2015, 12:55 PM
How's chandler on D? I know he can shoot but never really watched him.Slightly above average, but when healthy can guard 1-4. Good effort, better with more minutes or he gets lost sometimes.

Vinylman
06-18-2015, 12:57 PM
Who is gonna give up a first for Crawford?

seems to me the deal would be Crawford and a First for chandler with Denver dumping Crawford in another deal or just cutting him

Clippersfan86
06-18-2015, 12:58 PM
How's chandler on D? I know he can shoot but never really watched him.

Slightly above average. Not elite, but better than Barnes or others we had.

Clippersfan86
06-18-2015, 01:00 PM
Who is gonna give up a first for Crawford?

seems to me the deal would be Crawford and a First for chandler with Denver dumping Crawford in another deal or just cutting him

Crawford+Wilcox could possibly fetch a late 1st in the past but the last two years... 2nd rounders are being traded for good role players, so who knows. Denver has made it clear they want to move Chandler though and as I said they can shed like 5 mill cap I'd they cut Jamal.

PS Clippers can't trade any more 1st round picks till 2019. Doc's dumb *** traded one WITH Dudley last year lol.

Pakman
06-18-2015, 01:02 PM
Slightly above average. Not elite, but better than Barnes or others we had.
Yeah I was thinking he has to be a big upgrade over Barnes offensively. Would be interesting if they're able to land him and have Lance coming off the bench.

Vinylman
06-18-2015, 01:03 PM
Crawford+Wilcox could possibly fetch a late 1st in the past but the last two years... 2nd rounders are being traded for good role players, so who knows. Denver has made it clear they want to move Chandler though and as I said they can shed like 5 mill cap I'd they cut Jamal.

PS Clippers can't trade any more 1st round picks till 2019. Doc's dumb *** traded one WITH Dudley last year lol.

The thing though is Chandler's contract might be needed in a Lawson deal...

Denver really isn't strapped in terms of salary though so need to just give Chandler away for a salary dump.

Clippersfan86
06-18-2015, 01:13 PM
The thing though is Chandler's contract might be needed in a Lawson deal...

Denver really isn't strapped in terms of salary though so need to just give Chandler away for a salary dump.

True. Lawson deal could ruin this one

MILLERHIGHLIFE
06-18-2015, 04:18 PM
I forgot to mention Bucks GM John Hammond wanted Crawford for a while now. He missed out on him as a free agent and other teams beat him to the punch in trading for him. Maybe Bucks give back Clippers 2017 first for Crawford? Bucks could hand out our second rounder this year for Crawford. What kind of pick does Denver want? Late first or seconds?

Stunner
06-18-2015, 04:23 PM
True. Lawson deal could ruin this one

Not really lol especially if he's dealt to NY or Sac , plus they have Foye and hickson

lamzoka
06-18-2015, 04:28 PM
Wilson Chandler is one of the most underrated player in the league, when healthy. On top of that the guy is cool, calm and collected. I always wanted him back on the Knicks.

smith&wesson
06-18-2015, 04:46 PM
So the clippers want Lance and Wilson ? confused. . .

countrycasanova
06-18-2015, 05:10 PM
I would like thepick-up, I've bee wanted the Clips to trade for Chandler for a couple seasons now. They need a guy that can hold his own ob both sides of the floor with his type of athleticism at the three. The Clips would still be thin when it comes to go-to guys on offense, but I can see CP3 making offense a lot easier for Chandler.

Scoots
06-18-2015, 05:16 PM
I read a article last week Clippers wanted to buy a pick to draft a rim protector.

But isn't DJ the best defensive player in the game? Oh, right, apparently just more smoke from Coach Rivers while GM Rivers is aware of how weak DJ is.

Scoots
06-18-2015, 05:17 PM
Wilson Chandler would be good for the Clippers, will play well with CP3 and Blake. Lance may rebel though.

Clippersfan86
06-18-2015, 05:41 PM
Clippers were never going to draft a rim protecter, they have been working out wings. Lance is going to be the 6th man backing up 1-3. Still need a SF, Wilson would be that. He just said now on the radio straight up he prefers being a 3rd option type role guy rather than a star, go to guy like on the Hornets.

Chronz
06-18-2015, 05:45 PM
But isn't DJ the best defensive player in the game? Oh, right, apparently just more smoke from Coach Rivers while GM Rivers is aware of how weak DJ is.

We cant play DJ all game. We just traded his backup, although I do hope we lose more games just to develop that center yall used to have.

Chronz
06-18-2015, 05:48 PM
Clippers were never going to draft a rim protecter, they have been working out wings. Lance is going to be the 6th man backing up 1-3. Still need a SF, Wilson would be that. He just said now on the radio straight up he prefers being a 3rd option type role guy rather than a star, go to guy like on the Hornets.

LOL. So then why did he force the role onto himself in Charlotte? Guy is nuts, thankfully we have stars that command respect, maybe thats enough to get him to buy into the TEAM instead of fancying himself an All-Star.

Clippersfan86
06-18-2015, 05:50 PM
Lance impressed me in his radio interview. Just said basically he will do whatever asked and prefers being a role player than a star, go to player. He's not as shot happy as people think, look up his shot attempts. Like 11 per game for career, 12 per game last two. He said he's going to trust and follow Doc's lead.

Clippersfan86
06-18-2015, 05:53 PM
LOL. So then why did he force the role onto himself in Charlotte? Guy is nuts, thankfully we have stars that command respect, maybe thats enough to get him to buy into the TEAM instead of fancying himself an All-Star.

I don't put that fully on him. They brought him in with expectations to carry a bigger load than Indy and be a star, go to guy. He failed at it... but I don't think he's a selfish renegade either. His usage/shot attempts are too low to label him as that.

Clippersfan86
06-18-2015, 06:04 PM
Dupe

Gander13SM
06-18-2015, 06:05 PM
This makes so much sense for the Clippers.

CP3 - Redick - Chandler - Griffin - DJ.

I really like that. Nice line up. Good size. Good balance of skillsets.

They still need to add to that bench though.

And that Lance trade... Ew.

Chronz
06-18-2015, 06:06 PM
Lance impressed me in his radio interview. Just said basically he will do whatever asked and prefers being a role player than a star, go to player. He's not as shot happy as people think, look up his shot attempts. Like 11 per game for career, 12 per game last two. He said he's going to trust and follow Doc's lead.
Well after how miserable of a season he had, I would say all the right things too. Hes obviously going to be happier playing for a contender in LA. Who said anything about him being shot happy? Hes a ball pounding/selfish player are the complaints from analysts/fans in both Indy and Charlotte.


I don't put that fully on him. They brought him in with expectations to carry a bigger load than Indy and be a star, go to guy. He failed at it... but I don't think he's a selfish renegade either. His usage/shot attempts are too low to label him as that.
LOL no they didn't, they benched him because he couldn't fit alongside the guys they wanted to be the go-to players. Its why Henderson (a legit role player) improved the team much more than he did.

Again, lemme explain why hes been so selfish. He passes up open shots to create his own, he doesn't make the right pass unless it can lead to an assist. Look at Rondo, he has incredibly low usage/shot attempts, but hes about as selfish as they come because he passes up high% shots to pad his assists. Its why his teams have rarely missed his offensive contributions, that and hes a piss poor scorer to begin with. Lance is in that mold of cancer. Indy was rolling just fine until he started playing selfishly. Charlotte declined with his presence and improved the minute they stopped giving him minutes.

Clippersfan86
06-18-2015, 06:08 PM
This makes so much sense for the Clippers.

CP3 - Redick - Chandler - Griffin - DJ.

I really like that. Nice line up. Good size. Good balance of skillsets.

They still need to add to that bench though.

And that Lance trade... Ew.

Austin+Stephenson as defensive terrors who lead the fastbreak would be sick IF Austin improves shot this summer and Lance bounces back to 35-36 percent area of previous 2 seasons. People don't know this but Austin led our team in 3 point percentage in the playoffs at like 40 percent. He DID make good strides on the shot late last season. Trade for Chandler and sign a MLE guy to add to bench and you may have a team like..

Paul
Redick
Chandler
Griffin
DJ

Stephenson
Rivers
Ed Davis

etc. You think that's not a great 8 man rotation?

Gander13SM
06-18-2015, 06:12 PM
Austin+Stephenson as defensive terrors who lead the fastbreak would be sick IF Austin improves shot this summer and Lance bounces back to 35-36 percent area of previous 2 seasons. People don't know this but Austin led our team in 3 point percentage in the playoffs at like 40 percent. He DID make good strides on the shot late last season. Trade for Chandler and sign a MLE guy to add to bench and you may have a team like..

Paul
Redick
Chandler
Griffin
DJ

Stephenson
Rivers
Ed Davis

etc. You think that's not a great 8 man rotation?

I think Stephenson was a product of the system in Indiana. A fluke. I think he's absolute garbage. Selfish and dangerously bad for a teams chemistry.

I think if anyone can get him to sort his **** out its Doc. And if anyone can put him in a position to succeed it's Doc (or Pop). I just don't believe it's likely.

I feel there was better options for them. Honestly. I think Matt Barnes is better than Lance.

Outside of that I like the direction they're heading in.

Clippersfan86
06-18-2015, 06:12 PM
Well after how miserable of a season he had, I would say all the right things too. Hes obviously going to be happier playing for a contender in LA. Who said anything about him being shot happy? Hes a ball pounding/selfish player are the complaints from analysts/fans in both Indy and Charlotte.


LOL no they didn't, they benched him because he couldn't fit alongside the guys they wanted to be the go-to players. Its why Henderson (a legit role player) improved the team much more than he did.

Again, lemme explain why hes been so selfish. He passes up open shots to create his own, he doesn't make the right pass unless it can lead to an assist. Look at Rondo, he has incredibly low usage/shot attempts, but hes about as selfish as they come because he passes up high% shots to pad his assists. Its why his teams have rarely missed his offensive contributions, that and hes a piss poor scorer to begin with. Lance is in that mold of cancer. Indy was rolling just fine until he started playing selfishly. Charlotte declined with his presence and improved the minute they stopped giving him minutes.

Yet for some reason Indy still wanted to offer him 45 million on a multi year extension. If he was a cancer Larry Bird wouldn't of said when Lance was focused he was THE best player on their team. Or such a professional guy. He struggled 2nd half of last season with Indy, but again everyone is scapegoating the guy with no evidence to back it up. Roy Hibbert is known to be an *******, fragile ego guy himself.. so I'm sure he had a part in it. Can't blame everything on one guy. Monta was supposedly a cancer too and look at his resurgence in Dallas. Same with Zbo in Memphis. We are WAY too quick to give a player their reputation on small samples.

Clippersfan86
06-18-2015, 06:14 PM
I think Stephenson was a product of the system in Indiana. A fluke. I think he's absolute garbage. Selfish and dangerously bad for a teams chemistry.

I think if anyone can get him to sort his **** out its Doc. And if anyone can put him in a position to succeed it's Doc (or Pop). I just don't believe it's likely.

I feel there was better options for them. Honestly. I think Matt Barnes is better than Lance.

Outside of that I like the direction they're heading in.

What system? Indiana had a horrific offense for the last decade just about. Their offense is nearly non existent. Their defense is great, but I think that's more due to having capable defenders than an amazing strategy. We aren't talking about the Spurs here where players are boosted by a system. Since when has a player had that in Indy? Lance is a versatile, talented kid. A mental challenge, yes.. but to deny his skillset is nuts to me. His ball handling, rebounding, ability to create, toughness etc.. those are legit skills.

Gander13SM
06-18-2015, 06:21 PM
What system? Indiana had a horrific offense for the last decade just about. Their offense is nearly non existent. Their defense is great, but I think that's more due to having capable defenders than an amazing strategy. We aren't talking about the Spurs here where players are boosted by a system. Since when has a player had that in Indy? Lance is a versatile, talented kid. A mental challenge, yes.. but to deny his skillset is nuts to me. His ball handling, rebounding, ability to create, toughness etc.. those are legit skills.

He's not a good offensive player though. Never was. I was referring to his defense. Apologies. I should have been clearer.

His value is in defense. He's a very selfish and very average offensive player. It's like J.R Smith winning 6th man of the year. Absolute fluke. Streaky and terrible decision maker.

I would've like to have seen them make a move for Wes Mathews or even Tayshaun. Anyone really aside from Lance. I just think that was a bad move.

Clippersfan86
06-18-2015, 06:24 PM
He's not a good offensive player though. Never was. I was referring to his defense. Apologies. I should have been clearer.

His value is in defense. He's a very selfish and very average offensive player. It's like J.R Smith winning 6th man of the year. Absolute fluke. Streaky and terrible decision maker.

I would've like to have seen them make a move for Wes Mathews or even Tayshaun. Anyone really aside from Lance. I just think that was a bad move.

Nobody is saying he's a great scorer. If he can even give 10 ppg on 45/35/70 I'll be happy. Basically bounce back to his norm the two previous years in Indy. The thing is the Clippers are 3 years running the top offense in the NBA. We don't need him to score. We need him to play the Iggy role and focus on defense+rebounding+playmaking. Any offense is a bonus. Griffin will be around 25 ppg, Paul around 18-20, Redick around 15-17. We do not need this guy scoring 20 ppg. Where the Clippers are getting killed the last few years is defense+rebounding. He helps both.

Chronz
06-18-2015, 06:29 PM
Yet for some reason Indy still wanted to offer him 45 million on a multi year extension. If he was a cancer Larry Bird wouldn't of said when Lance was focused he was THE best player on their team. Or such a professional guy.
Umm wat? Do you not know Larry Bird? The guy stood up for the most talented cancer they've ever had in Ron Artest. Less than a month later he demands to be traded. Thats akin to saying, if Andrew Bynum is such a cancer, why do teams pursue him? Its because hes talented and filled with potential.

And you're kind of ignoring the fact that Indiana refused to give Lance the deal he wanted.


He struggled 2nd half of last season with Indy, but again everyone is scapegoating the guy with no evidence to back it up. Roy Hibbert is known to be an *******, fragile ego guy himself.. so I'm sure he had a part in it.
Evidence is on tape, I live with an Indy fan and Indyrealist is the most knowledgeable Pacer fan I know. Ask him if he noticed a difference in the teams offensive approach pre/post All-Star break.


Can't blame everything on one guy. Monta was supposedly a cancer too and look at his resurgence in Dallas.
lol wat? Monta WAS a cancer, he didn't believe he and Curry could mesh and held him back, he chucked up more than he should have and they improved without him. Not seeing what you think pointing to Dallas is suppose to prove.


Same with Zbo in Memphis. We are WAY too quick to give a player their reputation on small samples.
Small samples? You're using even smaller samples tho. Players EARNED their reputation, its on them to change those reputations. Nobody is saying players cant buy in and understand their limitations. There are lots of motivating factors that can be involved. It doesn't change what we already know about them.

Its as if you think Z-Bo getting his head on straight in Memphis is suppose to erase the fact that he was a buffoon in NY. I actually loved Z-Bo when he was with us, I thought he was maturing and could eventually lead, sadly we let him go to make room for Blake.

Clippersfan86
06-18-2015, 06:33 PM
Chronz I'm not saying that at all. I'm not denying he had a checkered past with the last 1.5 seasons. That's a small sample in terms of a 10+ year career he will likely have. He had ONE season where he was clearly a horrible fit (last year) and even then Rich Cho and the Steve Clifford said he was a professional throughout the year when trade went through other day. Doubt they would randomly say that if he wasn't. I'm not claiming I know more than a Pacers fan. If your roommate gave me examples, I'd have zero issue admitting he was more responsible than it seemed to me. So far I hear a lot of accusations towards him with little support for it, so can't blame me for not just running with it.

The kid is 24 years old. He had 1 year where he was a problem. The circumstances were far from good or ideal. I'm not about to assume he's going to continue being that player. No reason NOT to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Clippersfan86
06-18-2015, 06:35 PM
If I was saying he'd be a star.... a 20 ppg player I'd understand the doubts but my expectations are much more simple. Be an Iggy type versatile role guy for us where any offense is a bonus. I want him to focus more on being a defensive specialist/playmaker.

Chronz
06-18-2015, 06:36 PM
I think Stephenson was a product of the system in Indiana. A fluke. I think he's absolute garbage. Selfish and dangerously bad for a teams chemistry.

I think if anyone can get him to sort his **** out its Doc. And if anyone can put him in a position to succeed it's Doc (or Pop). I just don't believe it's likely.

I feel there was better options for them. Honestly. I think Matt Barnes is better than Lance.

Outside of that I like the direction they're heading in.

I see what you're saying, the reason for optimism is evident in what we've gotten out of Jamal Crawford AND former Pacer, Darren Collison. Those guys were shackled by their previous coaches/systems and were solid contributors for us, at the very least more productive than years prior. Lance cant be as bad as he was last year and I agree that Barnes has had a better season than Lance ever has but the dude is on the wrong side of 30 and cant seem to stay healthy for the playoffs. We need to make a gamble on high upside players, its the same gamble Doc refused to make on Whiteside and look how that panned out.

Regardless of how this pans out, we got a better contract that expires just in time for the increase in CAP. Thats a pretty big deal given the market.

Clippersfan86
06-18-2015, 06:38 PM
Rowan Kavner ‏@RowanKavner 18s19 seconds ago
Lance: "When I got the call, I was like, 'What, are you serious, I'm going to the Clippers!?' I was very happy. I was very excited."

Chronz
06-18-2015, 06:41 PM
If I was saying he'd be a star.... a 20 ppg player I'd understand the doubts but my expectations are much more simple. Be an Iggy type versatile role guy for us where any offense is a bonus. I want him to focus more on being a defensive specialist/playmaker.

Except Iggy played like that from day 1 and was eventually forced into being a primary option, dude didn't want that role, his hero was Pippen IIRC when mostly everyone wanted to be MJ. Whereas Lance is the guy who overstepped his role and demanded touches. Iggy just successfully defended LeBron, where Lance successfully blew into his ear.

I understand what you want, I want that as well, lets just be real with what hes done. NOBODY is expecting 20ppg, Im pretty sure PSD doesn't have anyone that stupid.

Sadds The Gr8
06-18-2015, 06:42 PM
Still not as good as GSW or OKC with the trade. Also think spurs are better if Parker can get healthy

Clippersfan86
06-18-2015, 06:43 PM
Except Iggy played like that from day 1 and was eventually forced into being a primary option, dude didn't want that role, his hero was Pippen IIRC when mostly everyone wanted to be MJ. Whereas Lance is the guy who overstepped his role and demanded touches. Iggy just successfully defended LeBron, where Lance successfully blew into his ear.

I understand what you want, I want that as well, lets just be real with what hes done. NOBODY is expecting 20ppg, Im pretty sure PSD doesn't have anyone that stupid.

I agree it's not a sure thing like Iggy is. Do you agree he has the tools to do it though if his head is on right and he works hard? I watch his training videos and his natural skills remind me of Tyreke kinda. Very gifted ball handler and finisher, good court vision.

Clippersfan86
06-18-2015, 06:46 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Npcj9WLml2M

Draft Express broke his game down before this season. Seeing him completely lock up Wade on multiple possessions is exciting. We lack any defenders like that besides Paul who's too small to guard wings consistently.

Scoots
06-18-2015, 06:57 PM
Who is going to bring the heart to the Clips?

I don't think the Clips can get Ed Davis ... he gave the Lakers a sweetheart deal just to play for them and his play last year earned him more money.

Clippersfan86
06-18-2015, 07:04 PM
Who is going to bring the heart to the Clips?

I don't think the Clips can get Ed Davis ... he gave the Lakers a sweetheart deal just to play for them and his play last year earned him more money.

Lance brings toughness/heart even if it gets out of line. He's the kind of guys we need. TOUGH. We have too many softies who wilt when things get physical. His game was molded in the NY streets. He can become the heart/toughness you guys get out of Draymond that inspires at times. Call me crazy, but I have a strong feeling about this. As for Davis, I don't think he's going to get a big deal. He will likely sign a 1-2 year deal for the cap boost and he didn't play THAT good to demand anything. He put up 8/8 in 23 mpg. Clippers can give him or someone of similar caliber nearly 4 mill to be a backup big.

Munkeysuit
06-18-2015, 07:11 PM
Awesome trade, I'd pull the trigger on that if I were the Nuggets.

Chronz
06-18-2015, 07:20 PM
Chronz I'm not saying that at all. I'm not denying he had a checkered past with the last 1.5 seasons. That's a small sample in terms of a 10+ year career he will likely have.
You're still relying on an even smaller sample in ALL of your comps. In Stephensons case, you're now relying on a non-existent sample. How is that better?


He had ONE season where he was clearly a horrible fit (last year) and even then Rich Cho and the Steve Clifford said he was a professional throughout the year when trade went through other day. Doubt they would randomly say that if he wasn't.
Dude I hate to keep doing this to you but LMFAO. You cant be serious, you dont see why a team DESPERATELY trying to unload Lance would say nice things about him? Cmon bro, it may very well be true, it still doesn't exonerate how he ACTUALLY played.


I'm not claiming I know more than a Pacers fan. If your roommate gave me examples, I'd have zero issue admitting he was more responsible than it seemed to me. So far I hear a lot of accusations towards him with little support for it, so can't blame me for not just running with it.
The evidence is there, people havent come to these conclusions for no reason, you just havent taken the time to investigate because you'd rather hope for the best. What Im saying is, you can still hope for the best while acknowledging the mistakes of his past.


The kid is 24 years old. He had 1 year where he was a problem. The circumstances were far from good or ideal. I'm not about to assume he's going to continue being that player. No reason NOT to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Hes had 1 year where hes a problem throughout the entire season, another half year of inspired play and half year of cancerous tendencies and before that he was a NOBODY who taunted players far more accomplished than he. Now that we got that out of the way, what exactly is your point. That he doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt?

Clippersfan86
06-18-2015, 07:24 PM
Chronz I understand but the comments by Cho were made post trade. So would seem odd. Doc said he personally called and spoke with MANY teammates, ex teammates, coaches, front office guys before pulling the trade off dating back to the deadline when they looked at it too. Do you believe Doc would of taken him on if their feedback was that he was a ****** teammate or cancer?

Chronz
06-18-2015, 07:24 PM
Lance brings toughness/heart even if it gets out of line. He's the kind of guys we need. TOUGH. We have too many softies who wilt when things get physical. His game was molded in the NY streets. He can become the heart/toughness you guys get out of Draymond that inspires at times. Call me crazy, but I have a strong feeling about this. As for Davis, I don't think he's going to get a big deal. He will likely sign a 1-2 year deal for the cap boost and he didn't play THAT good to demand anything. He put up 8/8 in 23 mpg. Clippers can give him or someone of similar caliber nearly 4 mill to be a backup big.

8/8 in 23 minutes is pretty hard to find. I would LOVE Ed tho.

Clippersfan86
06-18-2015, 07:27 PM
Chronz I'm acknowledging the past of Lance. Just feel maybe it's been exaggerated a bit.

Chronz
06-18-2015, 07:27 PM
Chronz I understand but the comments by Cho were made post trade. So would seem odd. Doc said he personally called and spoke with MANY teammates, ex teammates, coaches, front office guys before pulling the trade off dating back to the deadline when they looked at it too. Do you believe Doc would of taken him on if their feedback was that he was a ****** teammate or cancer?

Its not odd at all. Do you expect him to berate players hes FINALLY unloaded? That wouldn't look so good on the PR front . Seriously man, stop taking people at their word and understand the motivations at hand.

I actually believe Doc has learned his lesson, its better to take a chance on guys with talent than guys with better reputations.

Clippersfan86
06-18-2015, 07:34 PM
Its not odd at all. Do you expect him to berate players hes FINALLY unloaded? That wouldn't look so good on the PR front . Seriously man, stop taking people at their word and understand the motivations at hand.

I actually believe Doc has learned his lesson, its better to take a chance on guys with talent than guys with better reputations.

I rarely take people at their word. I understand it's benefiAL for Cho to praise him. But it's usually a grain of truth thing at least. There is a certain integrity among GM's where I haven't seen many boldface lies. If he was a "great professional" maybe he was really only a decent one. But the odds are low that he was a complete **** one as well.

Ebbs
06-18-2015, 07:38 PM
Huge win for the Clippers if they do this.

Chronz
06-18-2015, 07:40 PM
I rarely take people at their word. I understand it's benefiAL for Cho to praise him. But it's usually a grain of truth thing at least. There is a certain integrity among GM's where I haven't seen many boldface lies. If he was a "great professional" maybe he was really only a decent one. But the odds are low that he was a complete **** one as well.

Its a risk assessment. The proof is in the pudding. I could barely care less on how they act, its how they perform that matters most. Thats where his checkered past really matters. I would take the risk

Clippersfan86
06-18-2015, 07:56 PM
Its a risk assessment. The proof is in the pudding. I could barely care less on how they act, its how they perform that matters most. Thats where his checkered past really matters. I would take the risk

Well we do agree on Doc taking on talented but risky headcases rather than good locker room guys or previous big names lacking talent. Hopefully from now on Doc keeps this up. I'd like us to try Thomas Robinson too maybe. He put up like 15/12 PER 36 last year I believe, but hasn't gotten a role anywhere too much.

Clippersfan86
06-18-2015, 08:04 PM
Lance Stephenson knows his perception around the league isn't exactly pristine and he's hoping to change that this season with the Los Angeles Clippers.

"I'm going to work hard this season to get those rumors out," Stephenson said as he was formally introduced as a Clipper at a news conference at the team's training facility on Thursday. "That's not the issue. I'm very good in the locker room. You can ask all the players that I've played with. You can ask the coaches. I'm very good in the locker room.

"When I'm on the court I got that type of energy where it looks like I'm yelling at somebody. But when I talk to my teammates it amps them and makes them work harder. I want to take that [negative] title off my name because that's not me. I'm a good locker room guy."

"It was a tough season," Stephenson said. "It was a struggle for me but I just want to put that behind me and I'm looking forward to a great season now. ... I play to win and I'll do whatever it takes to win. I'm just happy to be with a group of guys that are going to be behind. They're great leaders and all-star players and I can follow behind their footsteps. I just want to play with a group of guys that want to win."

Cracka2HI!
06-19-2015, 12:23 AM
No prominent sources, just rumors from an ESPN article+twitter buzz going on. Apparently the Nuggets want a 1st round pick so the Clippers are working hard to package Crawford for a pick.

http://espn.go.com/blog/los-angeles-clippers/post/_/id/8010/rivers-eyes-reserve-role-for-stephenson-will-find-a-starting-sf

Middle of this link.

Paul
Redick
Chandler
Griffin
Jordan

6th man: Born Ready

Not bad. Odds you guys think this gets done? Nuggets can use it as cap dump too since Crawford only has 1 mill guarantee for next year and they want to move Chandler anyway.

Do you remember when this was reported by me the other night before any "rumors". It makes sense they would re-visit this and try to get it done. I think the most likely scenario is the Clippers buying a pick(maybe their own back from Boston) and package it with Crawford(who would be bought out) for Chandler. I'm a bit optimistic Doc can make this happen.

Since this thread has become about Lance, I want to say I think he's going to do great here. I think he can have an Iggy type impact as well. I heard the interview. He didn't sound very smart. Maybe he was nervous but he isn't a great interview subject imo. That said I liked what he said and I believe he believes what he says. I think it's going to work. He knows 6th man of the Clippers is better than the top guy in Charlotte. I see him working his *** off on D and grabbing boards here. I miss Barnes and outside of a couple months Lance has never been an upgrade over Matt. That said what he does are things that we need and Barnes didn't do them.

Clippersfan86
06-19-2015, 12:40 AM
He sounds like Bledsoe. Super shy and awkward.

BKLYNpigeon
06-19-2015, 01:06 AM
Clippers should look for a Center when Jordan leaves.

Clippersfan86
06-19-2015, 01:11 AM
Clippers should look for a Center when Jordan leaves.

Comon man..

5ass
06-19-2015, 01:41 AM
I liked the Stephenson trade, and I like this move for the clippers too

Gander13SM
06-19-2015, 02:16 AM
I wonder if this will be a Josh Smith situation with Lance. Smoove goes to a winning team and looks like a whole other player. Really turned things around for him.

numba1CHANGsta
06-19-2015, 02:18 AM
Chandler for a 1st round pick? LOL

Scoots
06-19-2015, 02:28 AM
Let's hope Pierce joins the Clippers too ... the refs will call in sick when they see the Clippers on their schedule having to deal with Rivers, CP3, Pierce, Lance, Blake, and DJ is more than any reasonable ref should have to endure.

Chronz
06-19-2015, 03:45 AM
Let's hope Pierce joins the Clippers too ... the refs will call in sick when they see the Clippers on their schedule having to deal with Rivers, CP3, Pierce, Lance, Blake, and DJ is more than any reasonable ref should have to endure.

Pierce? Really?

Scoots
06-19-2015, 12:11 PM
Sure, lots of rumors that Pierce wants to be back with Rivers.

Doc is the kind of GM who thinks his coach can deal with any and all personalities, and his coach is really good at that, but when it goes wrong it may go WAY wrong.

CP3 isn't getting any younger, maybe have him split minutes with another PG ... Rondo anyone? He wants to be in LA and he'll never be cheaper :) Plus Rivers doesn't have a problem with his PGs running the team on the floor, frees up his time to ride the refs.

ewing
06-19-2015, 02:51 PM
would be a good trade for the clips. if Will actually stayed healthy could be a really good move for the Clips

Super.
06-19-2015, 03:11 PM
This makes so much sense for the Clippers.

CP3 - Redick - Chandler - Griffin - DJ.

I really like that. Nice line up. Good size. Good balance of skillsets.

They still need to add to that bench though.

And that Lance trade... Ew.

Can you explain to me why the Lance trade was bad?

Lance, buy low candidate, whose contract expires after this season for Spencer Hawes who's getting 18M over the next 3 ****ing seasons.

Clippers killed this trade on a sheer cap basis, not to mention Lance has the ability to not be terrible, especially when he knows he's not even remotely a top option.