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Stunner
06-15-2015, 06:20 PM
@MySportsLegion: Framework of a potential trade would send Lance Stephenson to the Clippers for Matt Barnes and Spencer Hawes. (via Y!)

Gibby23
06-15-2015, 06:21 PM
I like that for the Clippers. I think he would be good on that team with CP3 in his ear. I wanted Lance.

RLundi
06-15-2015, 06:24 PM
Anyone is better than Barnes with his maddening inconsistency. The hope here is that Lance can bounce back to his play 2 years ago. There's literally no pressure on him with the Clips. It'll mostly be on CP3 and Blake. Hopefully he can bounce back and thrive.

Gibby23
06-15-2015, 06:26 PM
Anyone is better than Barnes with his maddening inconsistency. The hope here is that Lance can bounce back to his play 2 years ago. There's literally no pressure on him with the Clips. It'll mostly be on CP3 and Blake. Hopefully he can bounce back and thrive.

If he doesn't, his contract has a team option after this year. Not bad.

Iron24th
06-15-2015, 06:27 PM
Great for the clippers, damn you mitch, not even able to make that trade...

GiantsSwaGG
06-15-2015, 06:33 PM
Lance isn't that good

Chronz
06-15-2015, 06:38 PM
Hurts our already poor shooting at the 3 and hes not even a true 3. I guess he has enough potential to make the trade worthwhile, especially if you're certain that Barnes is going to decline rapidly soon given his age. Not seeing why Hornets would make the trade unless they feel that Hawes can bounce back after a poor season.

Clippersfan86
06-15-2015, 06:55 PM
Hurts our already poor shooting at the 3 and hes not even a true 3. I guess he has enough potential to make the trade worthwhile, especially if you're certain that Barnes is going to decline rapidly soon given his age. Not seeing why Hornets would make the trade unless they feel that Hawes can bounce back after a poor season.

I think THIS bad of a 3 point shooting year was an anomaly. I think he can get it to low 30's this year with FAR more good shots coming from CP3/Griffin. I freaking LOVE this trade because it's low ish risk, VERY high reward potentially. If we get Pacers Stephenson who bounces back next to CP3/Griffin and under Doc... this guy is a near all star caliber player and we aren't giving up much. Barnes is a perennial playoff no show and Hawes isn't a good fit. Lance is still young and if he returns to anything near Pacers form his contract will be a bargain in 2 years when cap rises. These are the kind of gambles Doc has failed on that teams like the Rockets have taken chances on.

Clippersfan86
06-15-2015, 06:57 PM
If I recall he defended Lebron pretty well couple times in playoffs, so even purely for his defense/playmaking alone he's a big upgrade.

GiantsSwaGG
06-15-2015, 07:02 PM
If I recall he defended Lebron pretty well couple times in playoffs, so even purely for his defense/playmaking alone he's a big upgrade.

Lance isn't good, he got exposed for who he really is with the Hornets, he's not a 3 and he's not a 2 and he's too selfish to be a PG. he can't shoot to save his life, he can take it to the basket but that's not going to work all the time. Barnes is more value to the Clippers than Lance because he can at least defend and hit a 3 (maybe not consistently) but better than Lance, heck Pierce might be better suited imo

RLundi
06-15-2015, 07:07 PM
Lance isn't good, he got exposed for who he really is with the Hornets, he's not a 3 and he's not a 2 and he's too selfish to be a PG. he can't shoot to save his life, he can take it to the basket but that's not going to work all the time. Barnes is more value to the Clippers than Lance because he can at least defend and hit a 3 (maybe not consistently) but better than Lance, heck Pierce might be better suited imo

Pierce would be a great addition actually but yeah, Barnes sucks. I watched a lot of Clipper games (they were my favorite team outside of the Magic) and this guy is a knucklehead. He commits a lot of stupid fouls, he's a very streaky shooter and mentally, he's extremely unstable. He vanished in big moments and seems in over his head in the playoffs every year. The Clips are smart to at least try something else, even if many of these things describe Lance. The hope again here is that a change of scenery with a veteran elite team may move him in the right direction.

Clippersfan86
06-15-2015, 07:11 PM
Lance isn't good, he got exposed for who he really is with the Hornets, he's not a 3 and he's not a 2 and he's too selfish to be a PG. he can't shoot to save his life, he can take it to the basket but that's not going to work all the time. Barnes is more value to the Clippers than Lance because he can at least defend and hit a 3 (maybe not consistently) but better than Lance, heck Pierce might be better suited imo

No. Barnes disappears every year in the playoffs and doesn't play consistent defense. It's not a risk in the SLIGHTEST for the Clippers.

Clippersfan86
06-15-2015, 07:13 PM
Pierce would be a great addition actually but yeah, Barnes sucks. I watched a lot of Clipper games (they were my favorite team outside of the Magic) and this guy is a knucklehead. He commits a lot of stupid fouls, he's a very streaky shooter and mentally, he's extremely unstable. He vanished in big moments and seems in over his head in the playoffs every year. The Clips are smart to at least try something else, even if many of these things describe Lance. The hope again here is that a change of scenery with a veteran elite team may move him in the right direction.

Pierce will be 39 this year. I'd like him, but would take Stephenson any day due to age+defense. As you said.. the hope is a change of scenery with a good core of guys, good leader of a coach who has saved guys like DJ recently... will do good for him. I really don't see Stephenson coming onto a team with Doc and two superstars who are known to be good locker room guys/leaders and stirring **** up. Last year he was signed to be Hornets star basically and leader. Expectations are very different. For us we need a guy to be a 3rd or 4th scoring option, get stops on defense and run the break. An Iguodala kind of jack of all trades and that's what Stephenson is.

Currently the Clippers have NOBODY who can even attempt to guard a star wing player. Stephenson can at least play defense and get into guys.

Stunner
06-15-2015, 07:14 PM
clippers just need to trade Crawford for a big

Can't have Crawford / Rivers / Lance on the bench

Clippersfan86
06-15-2015, 07:15 PM
PS Clippers could still sign Pierce for 3.5 mill tax payer MLE. Would be perfect. Could even start Pierce for say 20-25 mpg and use Stephenson as a defensive specialist/ballhandler 6th man.

andy2518
06-15-2015, 07:15 PM
Lance isn't that good

Helps the Clips out though big time as their biggest issue was depth. At least they have someone who can give good consistent minutes on both offense and defense now. Big Baby and Spencer Hawes were very big disappointments to say the least. Lance is a very huge upgrade over those two.

Clippersfan86
06-15-2015, 07:20 PM
Helps the Clips out though big time as their biggest issue was depth. At least they have someone who can give good consistent minutes on both offense and defense now. Big Baby and Spencer Hawes were very big disappointments to say the least. Lance is a very huge upgrade over those two.

People here think if a player shoots bad= no other value. Nevermind that he's a very solid playmaker/ballhandler and well above average defender+rebounder. We need an Iggy/Josh Smith/Draymond Green type like Stephenson who is willing to do the dirty work and gives you a little bit of everything. Sure he is an inefficient chucker, but he's also a very versatile guy that the Clippers have lacked. 16th ranked defense in the NBA WILL NOT get it done. Currently no good wing defenders.

Clippersfan86
06-15-2015, 07:27 PM
Rick Bonnell ‏@rick_bonnell 2m2 minutes ago Charlotte, NC
From what I'm told by multiple sources, this is now Doc Rivers' call. @hornets ready to move forward on this trade.

Hornets beat writer. Comon Doc. For fu**ing once.. take a high risk, high reward gamble. What do we have to lose?? Hawes and Barnes are easily replaced.

GiantsSwaGG
06-15-2015, 07:28 PM
Pierce would be a great addition actually but yeah, Barnes sucks. I watched a lot of Clipper games (they were my favorite team outside of the Magic) and this guy is a knucklehead. He commits a lot of stupid fouls, he's a very streaky shooter and mentally, he's extremely unstable. He vanished in big moments and seems in over his head in the playoffs every year. The Clips are smart to at least try something else, even if many of these things describe Lance. The hope again here is that a change of scenery with a veteran elite team may move him in the right direction.

I get it but it usually doesn't work, I mean look at JR Smith, you would think playing with LeBron he would get his act together yet he's still a knucklehead committing stupid fouls and laughing with other players in the huddle while coach blatt was drawing up a play, mind you this is in the NBA finals and he's not even taking it serious. He had to be yelled at to pay attention. I have lil hope Lance all of a sudden while see the light, he is who he is imo but let's see

Clippersfan86
06-15-2015, 07:29 PM
I get it but it usually doesn't work, I mean look at JR Smith, you would think playing with LeBron he would get his act together yet he's still a knucklehead committing stupid fouls and laughing with other players in the huddle while coach blatt was drawing up a play, mind you this is in the NBA finals and he's not even taking it serious. He had to be yelled at to pay attention. I have lil hope Lance all of a sudden while see the light, he is who he is imo but let's see

Bro he's 24 and was playing on a crap team where he was expected to be THE man. Look at prior two years with Pacers too.

GiantsSwaGG
06-15-2015, 07:29 PM
No. Barnes disappears every year in the playoffs and doesn't play consistent defense. It's not a risk in the SLIGHTEST for the Clippers.

so having lockerroom tension and causing friction within the team isn't a Risk?

GiantsSwaGG
06-15-2015, 07:33 PM
Bro he's 24 and was playing on a crap team where he was expected to be THE man. Look at prior two years with Pacers too.

Same crap team that made it to the playoffs season prior! And how was he expected to be the man when Kemba and Jefferson are the 1 & 2 and are better than him easily

And yeah look at his 2 season when he was a pacer, he had a very good first half, than began to stink it up after the all star break, numerous reports of teammates not getting along, a fight between him and Turner, committing dumb fouls, selfish, anger issues....

Need anymore?

GiantsSwaGG
06-15-2015, 07:34 PM
Helps the Clips out though big time as their biggest issue was depth. At least they have someone who can give good consistent minutes on both offense and defense now. Big Baby and Spencer Hawes were very big disappointments to say the least. Lance is a very huge upgrade over those two.

You need a 3, how does Lance help with that?

phantasyyy
06-15-2015, 07:36 PM
seems like a terribly trade for the hornets, what do they benefit from it??

Hawes still has 5.7 next year and a player option for 6 after that (which he'll probably take, given his play this season)
Barnes - non guranteed 3m - so salary dump here.

But..

lance is at 9m and a team option for 9.4m after that.

Not a whole lot of cap space that they recover

so where is the incentive to move him? - i know earlier in the year, they were practically giving him away but its a move that i just dont think makes alot of sense other than the fact that the bobcats really missed McBob's contributions and hawes is similiar minus the playmaking.

GiantsSwaGG
06-15-2015, 07:36 PM
Lance was signed to be the 3rd option, not only failed at that but got benched

GiantsSwaGG
06-15-2015, 07:37 PM
seems like a terribly trade for the hornets, what do they benefit from it??

Hawes still has 5.7 next year and a player option for 6 after that (which he'll probably take, given his play this season)
Barnes - non guranteed 3m - so salary dump here.

But..

lance is at 9m and a team option for 9.4m after that.

Not a whole lot of cap space that they recover

so where is the incentive to move him? - i know earlier in the year, they were practically giving him away but its a move that i just dont think makes alot of sense other than the fact that the bobcats really missed McBob's contributions and hawes is similiar minus the playmaking.

It just says they couldn't get jack **** for him. Nobody wanted him but the Clippers

2-ONE-5
06-15-2015, 07:47 PM
this trade makes 0 sense as currently proposed. Why would the Hornets do this?

SportsFanatic10
06-15-2015, 07:54 PM
The title makes it sound like it's already a done deal.

Chronz
06-15-2015, 08:01 PM
Lance was signed to be the 3rd option, not only failed at that but got benched

My only hope is the idea that he was suppose to be franchise guy crashing and burning so hard will humble him in the presence of 3 legitimate All-Star candidates. Maybe he'll focus on doing the little things that made him a crowd favorite at one point. He wasn't very good in Indiana either but theres a reason the Hornets gave him the money and a reason everyone refused to max out a 23 year old SG. Hes an enigma but in the right situation, can help a team like the Clips. I just hope hes done being obsessed with triple doubles.

Clippersfan86
06-15-2015, 08:04 PM
Swag if you can't see the low risk/high reward for the Clippers, you're a fool. They lose NOTHING. Hawes who didn't play 2nd half of season because he sucked all year? Barnes who will be 37 and is a perennial playoff no show? For a contender paying tax, these are the types of gambles you take, just like Rockets did on Smith and Cavs on Smith. Worst case scenario is 1 year rental who still plays way better D than Barnes/Hawes. Clippers are the top ranked offense for 3 straight years. We Don't Need An Elite Shooter. Team needs a defender, rebounder, playmaker.

Chronz
06-15-2015, 08:05 PM
Pierce would be a great addition actually but yeah, Barnes sucks. I watched a lot of Clipper games (they were my favorite team outside of the Magic) and this guy is a knucklehead. He commits a lot of stupid fouls, he's a very streaky shooter and mentally, he's extremely unstable. He vanished in big moments and seems in over his head in the playoffs every year. The Clips are smart to at least try something else, even if many of these things describe Lance. The hope again here is that a change of scenery with a veteran elite team may move him in the right direction.

He nailed some memorable shots for us against the Spurs. His problem is hes frail and 38 or whatever and plays a game with energy that cant last forever. Hes always injured come playoffs but he actually had one of his best seasons last year. He doesn't space the floor but he hits enough 3's to at least punish teams individually and his production is on par with healthy Lance.

bleedprple&gold
06-15-2015, 08:07 PM
seems like a terribly trade for the hornets, what do they benefit from it??

Hawes still has 5.7 next year and a player option for 6 after that (which he'll probably take, given his play this season)
Barnes - non guranteed 3m - so salary dump here.

But..

lance is at 9m and a team option for 9.4m after that.

Not a whole lot of cap space that they recover

so where is the incentive to move him? - i know earlier in the year, they were practically giving him away but its a move that i just dont think makes alot of sense other than the fact that the bobcats really missed McBob's contributions and hawes is similiar minus the playmaking.

I agree dumb trade for the Hornets. They gain $3M+ in cap space this year but lose $6M the following year. After the garbage year Hawes had he should be untradeable.

Clippersfan86
06-15-2015, 08:12 PM
If this fails Clippers still win. 13 mill in cap freed up from letting Barnes/Stephenson walk at end of year vs 3 more years at nearly 6 mill of Hawes.

Chronz
06-15-2015, 08:16 PM
I think THIS bad of a 3 point shooting year was an anomaly. I think he can get it to low 30's this year with FAR more good shots coming from CP3/Griffin. I freaking LOVE this trade because it's low ish risk, VERY high reward potentially. If we get Pacers Stephenson who bounces back next to CP3/Griffin and under Doc... this guy is a near all star caliber player and we aren't giving up much. Barnes is a perennial playoff no show and Hawes isn't a good fit. Lance is still young and if he returns to anything near Pacers form his contract will be a bargain in 2 years when cap rises. These are the kind of gambles Doc has failed on that teams like the Rockets have taken chances on.

Well I doubt he'll have one of the worst shooting seasons of all-time but thats generally not the sign of a good/smart shooter. It took a very structured offense in Indiana to get him at even an above average level of play but we sort of revived Collison from the shackles of Indy, maybe we can get Stephenson to be an above average starter. And Im pretty sure his contract ends the same year the CAP is set to rise so it remains to be seen how cheap his contract will be. Either way, I would make the trade just to get the better contract and because Im scared of how Barnes reacts to being on the wrong side of 30

Clippersfan86
06-15-2015, 08:22 PM
For sure Chronz. Maybe I'm over rating him, but I believe in Lance. He needs to lose 20 lbs and come with the right mindset and he could be very valuable as an Iggy type jack of all trades. Tough, physical, defensive minded, crashes the glass, handles ball and passes pretty well. Clippers badly lack gritty guys like this.

Clippersfan86
06-15-2015, 08:27 PM
Done deal according to Marc Stein. Pending league approval. Good job Doc. Finally took a worthy gamble. If experiment fails, 9 mill in free cap at end of year.

bleedprple&gold
06-15-2015, 08:27 PM
If this fails Clippers still win. 13 mill in cap freed up from letting Barnes/Stephenson walk at end of year vs 3 more years at nearly 6 mill of Hawes.

Oh Hawes has 3 years left on his deal? That makes the trade even worse for the Hornets.

Chronz
06-15-2015, 08:32 PM
For sure Chronz. Maybe I'm over rating him, but I believe in Lance. He needs to lose 20 lbs and come with the right mindset and he could be very valuable as an Iggy type jack of all trades. Tough, physical, defensive minded, crashes the glass, handles ball and passes pretty well. Clippers badly lack gritty guys like this.

Hes a decent playmaker but his passing and rebounding is entirely influenced by his ego. As the defacto PG alongside 2 other combo-guards in a post heavy Indiana offense, he was passing the ball pretty well, he knew he would be getting his touches enough to accrue the stats. Tho he seemed to lose all that selflessness when he felt snubbed for the All-Star game and he began playing hero ball and Indiana's bad offense sputtered to historic lows for a stretch.

In Charlotte, dude was playing alongside a more ball dominant PG and felt he was the star of the team so he made passes that would likely lead to an assist instead of passes that lead to good shots. He just really clashed over there. Would really love to get Henderson instead but Lance has potential.

Stunner
06-15-2015, 08:35 PM
Taj for JJ or Taj for Crawford and a 1st

Sadds The Gr8
06-15-2015, 08:37 PM
Clippers slightly win the trade but it wouldn't surprise me if lance was just as, or close to as awful as last year

Clippersfan86
06-15-2015, 08:42 PM
Next up Jamal Crawford.

THE MTL
06-15-2015, 08:43 PM
The Clippers need a go-to-scorer who can create his own offense on a consistent basis. CP3 and Crawford and sometimes Blake are the only ones that can create their own offense. Trading Barnes/Hawes for Lance is def an upgrade but I dont think it would get them into the West Coast Finals.

meloman1592
06-15-2015, 08:47 PM
Love this move for the clips. Hope they get pierce too. Then that's a championship contender !

Clippersfan86
06-15-2015, 08:48 PM
Literally my ONLY concern is the ball dominance on bench of Stephenson+Crawford+Rivers if he doesn't start. Or his ball dominance clashing with CP3+Griffin in starting 5. This is why I feel we need to buy Crawford out too. He's only guaranteed 1.5 mill in final year.

Clippersfan86
06-15-2015, 08:50 PM
The Clippers need a go-to-scorer who can create his own offense on a consistent basis. CP3 and Crawford and sometimes Blake are the only ones that can create their own offense. Trading Barnes/Hawes for Lance is def an upgrade but I dont think it would get them into the West Coast Finals.

Also likely to add Pierce for Mini MLE and try to trade Crawford for a big.

Clippersfan86
06-15-2015, 08:54 PM
I'd use Lance as 6th man, backup PG and use Rivers as backup SG. Make both work on shooting all summer long. Trade or cut Crawford.

Stunner
06-15-2015, 08:55 PM
@WojYahooNBA: To be clear on Barnes: Only $1M of his salary is guaranteed for next season if he's waived by July 1. Otherwise, Charlotte owes him $3.5M.

@WojYahooNBA: It is unlikely Charlotte keeps Barnes, who'll become a free agent.

Stunner
06-15-2015, 08:55 PM
I'd use Lance as 6th man, backup PG and use Rivers as backup SG. Make both work on shooting all summer long. Trade or cut Crawford.

Taj for Crawford and a pick

bleedprple&gold
06-15-2015, 09:00 PM
Also likely to add Pierce for Mini MLE and try to trade Crawford for a big.

Likely? I would say Pierce retiring or returning to Washington are more likely options at this point.

Stunner
06-15-2015, 09:04 PM
Likely? I would say Pierce retiring or returning to Washington are more likely options at this point.

Reports are he said he's opting out and going to the clipps

bleedprple&gold
06-15-2015, 09:09 PM
Reports are he said he's opting out and going to the clipps

Reports? You mean rumors and total speculation?

LA_Raiders
06-15-2015, 09:09 PM
That was a steal, great sign by the clips. I would have liked him in the Lakers bench.

Clippersfan86
06-15-2015, 09:11 PM
Bleed if no Pierce Clippers should still be able to get a serviceable wing like a Gary Neil or Corey Brewer type for 3.7 mill a year.

goingfor28
06-15-2015, 09:16 PM
Reports? You mean rumors and total speculation?

He opted out of his Wiz deal and everything points to him signing w the Clipps. He lives in LA and played and won with Doc in Boston. I'd be very surprised if he doesn't end up in LA.

bleedprple&gold
06-15-2015, 09:19 PM
He opted out of his Wiz deal and everything points to him signing w the Clipps. He lives in LA and played and won with Doc in Boston. I'd be very surprised if he doesn't end up in LA.

No, he hasn't made his decision yet: http://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/paul-pierce-to-make-decision-on-2015-16-status-in-few-weeks-060915

shep33
06-15-2015, 09:20 PM
I mean, he's awful and can't shoot 3's. I don't see him playing well with CP3.

Scoots
06-15-2015, 09:20 PM
I like this move ... Lance could buy in and play hard D, make good passes, penetrate ... he could also blow up the whole team dynamic which would be fun too :)

Clippersfan86
06-15-2015, 09:32 PM
I like this move ... Lance could buy in and play hard D, make good passes, penetrate ... he could also blow up the whole team dynamic which would be fun too :)

Exactly. Although remember consequences of option B aren't even dire considering 1 year guaranteed deal and almost 10 mill cap space. Even if this fails Clippers are still good enough for 55 wins+2nd round or better with Griffin/CP3/DJ/Redick

B'sCeltsPatsSox
06-15-2015, 09:46 PM
This trade is atrociously bad for the Hornets.

shep33
06-15-2015, 10:01 PM
This trade is atrociously bad for the Hornets.

Meh, not really. Lance was terrible. They waive Barnes who only has 1 mill guaranteed.

sep11ie
06-15-2015, 10:03 PM
If I recall he defended Lebron pretty well couple times in playoffs, so even purely for his defense/playmaking alone he's a big upgrade.

Nope, he got attention for blowing in his ear like a queer then got torched by him.

bleedprple&gold
06-15-2015, 10:14 PM
Bleed if no Pierce Clippers should still be able to get a serviceable wing like a Gary Neil or Corey Brewer type for 3.7 mill a year.

Neal maybe, but Brewer? Not a chance. He's got a PO for $4.9 next year, he's not opting out to take less money.

Clippersfan86
06-15-2015, 10:15 PM
Neal maybe, but Brewer? Not a chance. He's got a PO for $4.9 next year, he's not opting out to take less money.

Like meaning similar caliber/type of player. Not him specifically

B'sCeltsPatsSox
06-15-2015, 10:16 PM
Meh, not really. Lance was terrible. They waive Barnes who only has 1 mill guaranteed.

Lance is still salvageable and has a team option for next year while Hawes was pretty ****** and is still under contract for like 3/20. Not only did the Hornets lose this talent wise, but this is pretty bad financially too.

shep33
06-15-2015, 10:31 PM
Lance is still salvageable and has a team option for next year while Hawes was pretty ****** and is still under contract for like 3/20. Not only did the Hornets lose this talent wise, but this is pretty bad financially too.

I mean Hawes is too though, and he's proven that he's effective in the Eastern Conference, and he's only making 5.5-6 mill per (3 years at around 17 mill). Big Al has had some injuries lately too, and Hawes has proven for multiple years that he's a decent center out east.

In Lance we were talking about a player who was so bad and such a distraction that he could not be traded by the Hornets last year. No team was biting. They couldn't get **** for Lance. Hawes is at least something lol

Lance can work out well,but he can also be a team cancer.

I'm not saying this is a good trade, lol god no, but it's not horrible beyond measure. I mean, it was probably this trade or a buyout

zn23
06-15-2015, 10:36 PM
Not exactly a big upgrade...This doesn't improve the depth of the Clippers which is their biggest problem. Instead of replacing guys they need to add some guys.

Stephenson also can't shoot 3's, something Barnes could do, and that's going effect the spacing.

The Clippers have a championship level starting lineup, and can compete for titles if they improve their bench.

Overall it's not a great move.

bleedprple&gold
06-15-2015, 10:37 PM
Lance is still salvageable and has a team option for next year while Hawes was pretty ****** and is still under contract for like 3/20. Not only did the Hornets lose this talent wise, but this is pretty bad financially too.

This. Even if Lance is awful he couldn't be much worse than Hawes and in the end they still save money. MJ working his magic again.

shep33
06-15-2015, 10:44 PM
This. Even if Lance is awful he couldn't be much worse than Hawes and in the end they still save money. MJ working his magic again.

But I mean, why not just add Pierce and keep Barnes who can play some D and who shot 36% from 3 last season? Barnes can also shoot freethrows, unlike Lance.

ewing
06-15-2015, 10:54 PM
i like the move for the Clips

BoSox47
06-15-2015, 11:02 PM
Everyone in charlotte is happy Lance is gone.

Clippersfan86
06-15-2015, 11:07 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O31kAHqngyY&feature=youtu.be

Lance looks in great shape, has been working hard.

Clippersfan86
06-15-2015, 11:14 PM
The dude is 220+ lbs and well built, yes he can play SF with the small ball trend going on right now. In fact for the Pacers runs wasn't he the SF, George the SG?? You aren't going to fail at a position because you're two inches shorter than the opponent. Secondly the whole shooting thing. I watch footage and I see a slasher/strong finisher at the rim, capable defender+rebounder. Even IF somehow he shoots 20 percent again from 3, that won't be a big deal as long as he doesn't shoot such a high volume and does other things well. He still has youth/upside on his side to improve in the right situation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Hi6RQAFzVw

The Clippers have nobody close to this capable on the wing of defending, running the break and finishing with contact. That's a HUGE asset. Nevermind that we got killed by rebounding all season long due to our wings not stepping up in that department.

Clippersfan86
06-15-2015, 11:18 PM
Stephenson's lack of height being greatly exaggerated. He's actually 6'6 in shoes, 6'10.5" wingspan, 220+ pounds. He's got plenty of size. You don't play defense with your head. Giving up 1-2 inches tops to most SF's isn't a problem.

Chronz
06-15-2015, 11:25 PM
But I mean, why not just add Pierce and keep Barnes who can play some D and who shot 36% from 3 last season? Barnes can also shoot freethrows, unlike Lance.
1 word. Athleticism

HoopsDrive
06-15-2015, 11:26 PM
It's another one of those low risk, high reward moves. So why not? It's not like Barnes and Hawes were making a difference for the Clips.

Clippersfan86
06-15-2015, 11:34 PM
PS if Lance was such a cancer to the Pacers why did they offer him a 44 million dollar, 4 year deal? Wouldn't make any sense.

5ass
06-15-2015, 11:41 PM
Good move for both teams IMO. Potentially amazing 6th man. Keep Redick in the starting line up, and try to trade for a 3/D swing man.

Clippersfan86
06-15-2015, 11:51 PM
"It's just disappointing,'' Bird said. "When I'd go to practices, when he was on, he was by far our best player. And he worked. If you work as hard as he does, you're going to get better. I'm going to miss the kid, no question. And he's growing up. That stuff he pulled in the playoffs, that was out of the blue. But I knew how good Lance was and the value he brought to our team.''

-Larry Bird

king4day
06-15-2015, 11:59 PM
I think this is a solid move for the Hornets. Hawes had a down year but shooting bigs are still at a premium and he's at market value where he'll be a big bargain once the cap goes up. Barnes gives them vet experience and I doubt they have any intent to rely on him.

It's silly to think it's a terrible trade for Charlotte. Who is coming there as a free agent?

Clippersfan86
06-16-2015, 12:02 AM
StephensonLance
@StephensonLance

"Thank you to buzz city and the Hornets organization. While the past year didn't work out as I hoped it would, I really enjoyed my time in the city of Charlotte. I will thoroughly miss the Hornets fans and my teammates who were very supportive of me over the last year. I wish the Hornets success going forward and I'm looking forward to doing whatever I can to help bring a championship to Los Angeles and Clipper Nation."

SportsFanatic10
06-16-2015, 12:03 AM
I think this is a solid move for the Hornets. Hawes had a down year but shooting bigs are still at a premium and he's at market value where he'll be a big bargain once the cap goes up. Barnes gives them vet experience and I doubt they have any intent to rely on him.

It's silly to think it's a terrible trade for Charlotte. Who is coming there as a free agent?

I doubt they have any intent to keep him. Just gonna buy him out.

Clippersfan86
06-16-2015, 12:04 AM
I think this is a solid move for the Hornets. Hawes had a down year but shooting bigs are still at a premium and he's at market value where he'll be a big bargain once the cap goes up. Barnes gives them vet experience and I doubt they have any intent to rely on him.

It's silly to think it's a terrible trade for Charlotte. Who is coming there as a free agent?

I think it's low risk, high reward for BOTH teams. Underrated trade in general. Hawes likely will bounce back and get way more burn on a reasonable contract and add a stretch big, while shedding Stephenson who was maligned there. The Clippers add a young, versatile hot head with upside who can do big things WHEN focused and locked in. Clippers had no other shot at making a big improvement BESIDES with a move like this.

Cracka2HI!
06-16-2015, 12:06 AM
Good move for the Clippers that could turn out to be great if it pans out. You would think there has to be more to be made for the Clippers. I think they might try to buy a 1st Round pick, package it with Jamal Crawford for Wilson Chandler. They tried to do that last deadline if I'm not mistaken. Just like this trade.

Clippersfan86
06-16-2015, 12:09 AM
Good move for the Clippers that could turn out to be great if it pans out. You would think there has to be more to be made for the Clippers. I think they might try to buy a 1st Round pick, package it with Jamal Crawford for Wilson Chandler. They tried to do that last deadline if I'm not mistaken. Just like this trade.

Bro.. if we got Wilson Chandler... watch out. Although we CANNOT trade any 1st rounders till 2020.

ThePlayoffs
06-16-2015, 12:12 AM
Great move for the hornets.

lance looks like a one season wonder imo.

May be a good 6th man for clips but who knows.

Htownballa1622
06-16-2015, 12:14 AM
I like this move for both. Clips weren't turning hawes and barnes into a better player. I like it though by doc. Not many assets but this is buying low and lance is still young.

Ty Fast
06-16-2015, 12:14 AM
Clips might be better off trading JJ instead of Crawford because they might get more for JJ.

jerryred
06-16-2015, 12:19 AM
What about JJ to lakers for the 27 or 34 pick would they consider that

Clippersfan86
06-16-2015, 12:21 AM
What about JJ to lakers for the 27 or 34 pick would they consider that

JJ just had a career year and missed almost no games. He's barely turned 30. Post all star break JJ AVERAGED like 20/4/3 on insane shooting numbers. Clippers could get more IMO.

Cracka2HI!
06-16-2015, 12:22 AM
Bro.. if we got Wilson Chandler... watch out. Although we CANNOT trade any 1st rounders till 2020.

It's 2019 but I'm not talking about a Clipper pick. The Clippers can and I believe will attempt to trade cash for draft picks. I think they will attempt buy a late 1st(maybe our own back from Boston lol) and trade it for a SF. I'm probably overrating Doc by thinking he can plan 2 moves together tho.

Clippersfan86
06-16-2015, 12:25 AM
The biggest question is who will start/play where between JJ/Stephenson and a new addition they may be targeting. IMO I'd slot Stephenson in at SF full time and see how he does. With NBA small ball running rampant right now, I see no reason why we can't try it. 6'6", 6'10.5" wingspan, 220 pounds... size shouldn't hold him back really.

numba1CHANGsta
06-16-2015, 12:29 AM
Eh, Clippers are cursed anyways so this trade doesn't mean much

PraiseJesus
06-16-2015, 12:39 AM
nice tank trade for Hornets

Scoots
06-16-2015, 01:08 AM
The biggest question is who will start/play where between JJ/Stephenson and a new addition they may be targeting. IMO I'd slot Stephenson in at SF full time and see how he does. With NBA small ball running rampant right now, I see no reason why we can't try it. 6'6", 6'10.5" wingspan, 220 pounds... size shouldn't hold him back really.

Draymond Green is 6'6" and playing C in the finals, Stephenson can play SF no problem ... as long as he plays it smart.

Smart and Lance have a bi-polar relationship.

Clippersfan86
06-16-2015, 01:10 AM
Draymond Green is 6'6" and playing C in the finals, Stephenson can play SF no problem ... as long as he plays it smart.

Smart and Lance have a bi-polar relationship.

Don't forget Iggy who has a near identical build/strength to Lance and is guarding Lebron pretty well in the FINALS. As you said, with small-ball trend... it's weird to worry about that. Clippers if they stayed pat are a 2nd round fodder team to the likes of GS/healthy OKC anyway right now... so HAD to swing for the fences. If it fails, it's just 1 season and yet another 50-55 win, 2nd round exit.

Chronz
06-16-2015, 01:26 AM
No need to dump jc. He could really playoff lance i think

Cracka2HI!
06-16-2015, 01:55 AM
No need to dump jc. He could really playoff lance i think

For some reason this surprises me.

goingfor28
06-16-2015, 02:16 AM
No need to dump jc. He could really playoff lance i think
Looking at the numbers it could definitely work, Jamal just needs to stop playing iso ball 24/7. His numbers as a catch and shoot 3pt guy are very good. But idk if he would ever do that. I mean, he's what? 34 now? And still plays me first basketball. When he's in he's amazing but too many times I've seen him shoot the Clips out of games or come in with a big lead, chuck away amd suddenly the game is tied again.

CityofChaos
06-16-2015, 02:43 AM
Steal for the Clippers in regards to what they gave up, but this trade makes no sense unless Crawford or Reddick is moved. Yes you can move Lance to the 3, but the way I see it, the only way a team can be effective in playing someone at a different position is if said player can lockdown that position defensively. Lance, who already is a mediocre defender, would have a difficult time against Lebron, Carmelo, Leonard and Durant on a consistent basis.

And what if they lose DJ to free agency? That would just make them a Don Nelson type team aka entertaining but
not championship material.

CityofChaos
06-16-2015, 02:46 AM
Oh and Stephens immaturity and attitude needs alot of work so hopefully Doc and his coaching staff along with CP3 can help fix it.

GiantsSwaGG
06-16-2015, 09:12 AM
Oh and Stephens immaturity and attitude needs alot of work so hopefully Doc and his coaching staff along with CP3 can help fix it.

same doc and Paul that couldn't get Deandre to put in hours on his FT's...

Even if it work how does he exactly fit? He's a ball dominater that needs the ball in his hands. He can't shoot, how does he fit with Paul exactly?

GiantsSwaGG
06-16-2015, 09:13 AM
Looking at the numbers it could definitely work, Jamal just needs to stop playing iso ball 24/7. His numbers as a catch and shoot 3pt guy are very good. But idk if he would ever do that. I mean, he's what? 34 now? And still plays me first basketball. When he's in he's amazing but too many times I've seen him shoot the Clips out of games or come in with a big lead, chuck away amd suddenly the game is tied again.

But that's his game

Clippersfan86
06-16-2015, 09:55 AM
https://youtu.be/l_BCgvKIO2w

Didn't think it was possible we'd be hated even more this season lmao.

Vinylman
06-16-2015, 11:44 AM
This trade is atrociously bad for the Hornets.

they wanted to get rid of him desperately because he hates the coach... surprised they only had to take on as much as they did...

good deal for both teams... if he doesn't work out in LA they can always trade him at the deadline or after the season as an expiring...

Clippersfan86
06-16-2015, 12:14 PM
Royce White and Lance. Love Doc taking on talented headcases. Because IF they pan out, can be difference between 2nd round and title. If they don't can just cut them

Clippersfan86
06-16-2015, 12:18 PM
http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2497518-after-failing-in-charlotte-lance-stephenson-is-just-what-the-clippers-need?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=share&utm_campaign=web-des-art-top-202?is_shared=true

Spot on

c.c.
06-16-2015, 02:44 PM
This is a steal for the Clippers!

Chronz
06-16-2015, 04:01 PM
Looking at the numbers it could definitely work, Jamal just needs to stop playing iso ball 24/7. His numbers as a catch and shoot 3pt guy are very good. But idk if he would ever do that. I mean, he's what? 34 now? And still plays me first basketball. When he's in he's amazing but too many times I've seen him shoot the Clips out of games or come in with a big lead, chuck away amd suddenly the game is tied again.
JC had his most success with us when he plays off other combo guards or legit ball handlers. His iso game. rears it's ugly head too much cone playoffs but as a rs reserve he's useful and entertaining. This year he played more with inferior playmakers so he chucked too much

Chronz
06-16-2015, 04:03 PM
For some reason this surprises me. jc is a fun player when you accept his limits and don't entrust an offense to him completely

NYKnickFanatic
06-16-2015, 04:04 PM
I love this for the Clippers, especially if they sign Pierce.

Scoots
06-16-2015, 04:10 PM
Lance will show flashes with the Clippers and chances are they will pick up his option early even if he under-performs his contract. They are desperate to win and light on options. This could be great for the Clippers, it could be just okay, it could be disaster (not because of his contract, but because he could fracture the team even more).

I'm looking forward to seeing Doc's face when his new toy goes brainless.

Clippersfan86
06-16-2015, 05:17 PM
Doc on radio just said team will be making more moves for a starting SF and that Stephenson will be backing up 1-3.

jerellh528
06-16-2015, 05:25 PM
Nice move for the clips imo. I wanted lance