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JordansBulls
06-15-2015, 01:18 PM
2000's only - Shaq vs Duncan vs Kobe - Player of the Decade

If you had only one player to say was the Player of the Decade, who would it be between these two?

NYKalltheway
06-15-2015, 01:33 PM
Shaq and T-Mac early 2000s. Shaq was still very good in the mid-2000s.
Duncan mid and late 2000s but he was never the clear #1 for 2 seasons in a row.
Last 1-2 years (depends if we count 2009-10 or not), it's probably Lebron.
Kobe was never the best but always a top 3-5 player in this period so some might give him the edge for that. as Duncan was not the best for a straight period of time but rather a consistent, yet periodic top class player.

Probably gonna go with Duncan out of the three.

Chronz
06-15-2015, 01:37 PM
Kobe. Duncan kind of faded for awhile there before his late revival. Could go either way tho

Big Zo
06-15-2015, 02:18 PM
Shaq. Leader of a team that won three straight finals, and was the MVP for all of them.

HoopsDrive
06-15-2015, 02:33 PM
Close call but gonna go with Duncan.

Iron24th
06-15-2015, 02:41 PM
Duncan is the best and it's coming from a Lakers fan

Minimal
06-15-2015, 02:51 PM
Shaq was the best, most dominant player.

Switch
06-15-2015, 02:56 PM
Duncan but all very close

lakerboy
06-15-2015, 03:01 PM
Kobe was in the NBA finals 7x in a 15 year span. Look at who has repped the west in this decade

2000 Kobe/Shaq
2001 Kobe/Shaq
2002 Kobe/Shaq
2003 Duncan
2004 Kobe
2005 Duncan
2006 Shaq/Wade
2007 Duncan
2008 Kobe
2009 Kobe
2010 Kobe

Tell me if that isn't dominant, what is?

Bruno
06-15-2015, 03:11 PM
I kind of lean Kobe, but I'll also buy an argument that Shaq was the best in the first half, the Kobe was the best in the second half, and that Duncan was perhaps the greatest throughout, start to finish.

50% of all top ten players ever are represented at some point in the decade, hell of a decade for top tier competition. I'm talking about MJ, Shaq, Kobe, Duncan and James. Of course thats kind of a joke because i'm talking about Wiz-MJ, but the point remains the same.

and this doesn't even get into Kevin Garnett, Dirk Nowitzki, Dwyane Wade, Chris Paul or other top 25 players ever.

Bruno
06-15-2015, 03:17 PM
am I the only person who thinks that "being the best player in the league" at a specific time is irrelevant to legacy?

I'm talking about Kobe. Of course there were periods where he was the best player in the decade, but even if I accepted the story that he wasn't, Ive always thought it was sort of... absolute. it's a petty point to debate when were talking about three guys who are consensus top ten. lets talk about sustained excellence, not flavor of the month at whatever point in time.

i'm saying the semantics of who's #1 or #2 at any specific time is irrelevant when were talking about an entire decade.

DillyDill
06-15-2015, 03:26 PM
Shaq Daddy fave player all time loved his dominance

Chronz
06-15-2015, 03:37 PM
Subjective take on stature throughout the decade:

99-2000
1.Shaq
2. Duncan
3. Kobe


2001
1.Shaq
2. Duncan
3. Kobe

2002
1.Shaq - 2. Duncan
3. Kobe

2003
1. Duncan - 2. Shaq
3. Kobe

2004
1. Shaq - 2. Duncan
3. Kobe

2005
1. Duncan - 2. Shaq (Shaq was runner up for MVP this year but Duncan was clearly better IMO)
3. Kobe

2006
1. Duncan - 2. Kobe (Duncan battled plantar all year so I put Kobe on relatively equal footing but Duncan was definitely better)
3. Shaq

2007
1. Duncan
2. Kobe

3. Shaq

2008
1. Kobe - 2. Duncan


3. Shaq

2009
1. Kobe
2. Duncan - 3. Shaq (Rebirth year for Shaq, down year for Duncan)

Jamiecballer
06-15-2015, 03:42 PM
Duncan

PowerHouse
06-15-2015, 03:52 PM
Really? We just had this thread a few weeks ago. Lebron actually ended with more votes than Shaq.

Watch out for MTM to chime in with his absurd opinion that Kobe wasn't able to crack a yearly top 5 list in the 2000-2010 decade except maybe once.

Bruno
06-15-2015, 04:00 PM
Really? We just had this thread a few weeks ago. Lebron actually ended with more votes than Shaq.

Watch out for MTM to chime in with his absurd opinion that Kobe wasn't able to crack a yearly top 5 list in the 2000-2010 decade except maybe once.

what i like is "never first but always top 3-5".

...like, what happened to being second best? :laugh2:

lol, please
06-15-2015, 04:02 PM
Shaq and it's not close.

Bruno
06-15-2015, 04:03 PM
Shaq and it's not close.
its extremely close thats why this topic comes up five times a year.

Raps18-19 Champ
06-15-2015, 04:24 PM
WHoever has HCA. So probably Duncan.

mngopher35
06-15-2015, 04:25 PM
I still think it is Duncan here. Shaq had the best prime during the period but he was dropping off too much by mid-late decade (Duncan dropped off a bit too but not nearly to the same extent).

I think Kobe was good and up there too but Duncan IMO was better until about 07. Duncan's defensive impact was far superior to Kobe as well. Kobe likely has shaq beat here and is close to Duncan but if I could take one player over the span it's Duncan.

In the end I think shaq was best early, Duncan in the middle and Kobe late of this decade. Duncan was almost never the 3rd best player between the 3 though (not sure if that means much haha).

andy2518
06-15-2015, 04:31 PM
Very close call here. It honestly can be argued for any of the three. It's that close. Shaq from a dominance standpoint, Duncan from a consistency and winning standpoint, and Kobe from a winning and polarizing standpoint.

Bruno
06-15-2015, 04:37 PM
I read basically every response and think to myself "...fair enough".

LA_Raiders
06-16-2015, 12:09 AM
Kobe, shaq, Duncan

Overall

Kobe, Duncan, shaq

ILLUSIONIST^248
06-16-2015, 12:11 AM
2000's only - Shaq vs Duncan vs Kobe - Player of the Decade

If you had only one player to say was the Player of the Decade, who would it be between these two?

Easily Kobe.

More-Than-Most
06-16-2015, 12:48 AM
Really? We just had this thread a few weeks ago. Lebron actually ended with more votes than Shaq.

Watch out for MTM to chime in with his absurd opinion that Kobe wasn't able to crack a yearly top 5 list in the 2000-2010 decade except maybe once.

How is it wrong?

Lebron Owned 06-10.... Duncan/Shaq owned 2000-2006.... When has Kobe ever been the best player in the world? He had 1 top 3 year in i think 05/06... The rest of the time he has been between 5-7 every year.

He is on my top 10 ever list because he was very good for so long.

Give me the years where you think he was a top 3 player that year and I can dispute it pretty easily.

More-Than-Most
06-16-2015, 12:53 AM
Not even gonna argue

PowerHouse
06-16-2015, 12:56 AM
How is it wrong?

Lebron Owned 06-10.... Duncan/Shaq owned 2000-2006.... When has Kobe ever been the best player in the world? He had 1 top 3 year in i think 05/06... The rest of the time he has been between 5-7 every year.

He is on my top 10 ever list because he was very good for so long.

Give me the years where you think he was a top 3 player that year and I can dispute it pretty easily.

Now you have changed it up a little. You're saying 5-7 every year when before you were saying like 6-8 werent you? Those years he makes #5 means he cracked the top 5. I was arguing that he at least made #5 8/10 years and you thought I was out of my mind.

More-Than-Most
06-16-2015, 12:56 AM
Now you have changed it up a little. You're saying 5-7 every year when before you were saying like 6-8 werent you? Those years he makes #5 means he cracked the top 5. I was arguing that he at least made #5 8/10 years and you thought I was out of my mind.

nope go look at my previous posts... and even if 5-7 isnt bad. Pretty sure you said top 3.... he wasnt top 5 8-10 years either. 5-7 most years sure but he was top 3 like once and top 5 like 3 times.

Tony_Starks
06-16-2015, 12:59 AM
Considering Shaq fell off pretty steep production wise and Duncan went into maintenance mode later in the decade Kobe seems like the easy choice. Pick any year in that decade and he's at the very least elite offensively/defensively and at most the best player in the game.

More-Than-Most
06-16-2015, 01:02 AM
Considering Shaq fell off pretty steep production wise and Duncan went into maintenance mode later in the decade Kobe seems like the easy choice. Pick any year in that decade and he's at the very least elite offensively/defensively and at most the best player in the game.

um outside of one season he was never the best in the game and Dirk/James could be argued in that one season as well.

PowerHouse
06-16-2015, 01:02 AM
nope go look at my previous posts... and even if 5-7 isnt bad. Pretty sure you said top 3.... he wasnt top 5 8-10 years either. 5-7 most years sure but he was top 3 like once and top 5 like 3 times.

I never brought up top 3, it was top 5.

More-Than-Most
06-16-2015, 01:09 AM
I never brought up top 3, it was top 5.

yea my only reasoning for James for the decade is because he was the best in the game 06/07/08/9/10 and really good in 05 and pretty good in 04.

The only answer should be Duncan.... Honestly Shaq is similar to James... Best there is for like 5 or 6 years and then is basically not there for the rest of the year... Kobe and Timmy played all 10 years at a top level but never best in the game... Timmy was better though.

Shaq and timmy are on my top 6 players ever... James 7... Kobe 8-10... Kobe has no argument over Duncan though.

lol, please
06-16-2015, 02:29 AM
Robert horry... its all about the rinnggssss
Sarcasm aside, it actually is, it's why they play the game. Dan Marino would trade his career numbers for even one ring, I would be my life on it.

More-Than-Most
06-16-2015, 02:46 AM
Sarcasm aside, it actually is, it's why they play the game. Dan Marino would trade his career numbers for even one ring, I would be my life on it.

Of course players would but when discussing individual talent rings mean ****... Why is marino/stockton and on down the list 2 of the best ever in their sports? People pick and choose when to use rings when discussing individual talent when in all actuality discussing how great a player is has 0 to do with rings... rings depend on how great the team is.

lol, please
06-16-2015, 02:51 AM
I know you think that's a rebuttal, but nothing I said in that post disagrees with you. Lol.

Nick O
06-16-2015, 02:53 AM
I know you think that's a rebuttal, but nothing I said in that post disagrees with you. Lol.

Well i took a little offense to you saying "sarcasm aside" I don't joke when it comes to the goat

lol, please
06-16-2015, 02:56 AM
Well i took a little offense to you saying "sarcasm aside" I don't joke when it comes to the goat
Well it's clearly sarcasm, just because rings can be used in a comparison doesn't mean it's the be all end all, and while they don't hold the same weight as individual statistics because it's still a team accomplishment, doesn't mean you have to throw out a Horry reference.

Nick O
06-16-2015, 02:57 AM
Well it's clearly sarcasm, just because rings can be used in a comparison, and while they don't hold the same weight as individual statistics because it's still a team accomplishment, doesn't mean you have to throw out a Horry reference.

ya but.. I love him so.

Jayb587
06-16-2015, 03:28 AM
its laughable that anyone picked shaq. Maybe if shaq stayed in the gym but nah he fell off too hard. Kobe ruled the decade, and Duncan is 2nd. Kobe won the most chips in the decade and he also won more h2h matchups in the playoffs vs Duncan. Kobe was also the most popular player in the league in this decade.

Jayb587
06-16-2015, 03:30 AM
yea my only reasoning for James for the decade is because he was the best in the game 06/07/08/9/10 and really good in 05 and pretty good in 04.

The only answer should be Duncan.... Honestly Shaq is similar to James... Best there is for like 5 or 6 years and then is basically not there for the rest of the year... Kobe and Timmy played all 10 years at a top level but never best in the game... Timmy was better though.

Shaq and timmy are on my top 6 players ever... James 7... Kobe 8-10... Kobe has no argument over Duncan though.

shaq is not a top 6 player ever. who are you putting him over... even at C hes 5th. Wilt, kareem, Russell, hakeem, then shaq.

Jayb587
06-16-2015, 03:32 AM
How is it wrong?

Lebron Owned 06-10.... Duncan/Shaq owned 2000-2006.... When has Kobe ever been the best player in the world? He had 1 top 3 year in i think 05/06... The rest of the time he has been between 5-7 every year.

He is on my top 10 ever list because he was very good for so long.

Give me the years where you think he was a top 3 player that year and I can dispute it pretty easily.

u need to lay off those drugs lol

naps
06-16-2015, 03:37 AM
Tim Duncan.

I feel so bad for Shaq. Only if he was serious enough to take care of his body, he could very well challenge Jordan for the GOAT.

Greedy22
06-16-2015, 03:40 AM
First half of the decade was Shaq, second half was definitely Kobe at least imo.

Jayb587
06-16-2015, 03:41 AM
Tim Duncan.

I feel so bad for Shaq. Only if he was serious enough to take care of his body, he could very well challenge Jordan for the GOAT.

why would u feel bad for him when he choose not to work hard lol

lol, please
06-16-2015, 04:03 AM
shaq is not a top 6 player ever. who are you putting him over... even at C hes 5th. Wilt, kareem, Russell, hakeem, then shaq.
Not sure if serious...

Kareem, Russell, and Hakeem are better than shaq? [emoji23]

Alan Shore
06-16-2015, 10:37 AM
It's a three way tie to be honest. All of them winners with almost no flaws on their resume. The arguments for each one would differ, but at the end all of them end up at the same level IMO.

I personally like Duncan more because he never let any childish stuff affect his game, but there areas in which Kobe and Shaq have advantages over him.

Kobe and Shaq played together for some part of it, so that could be also another sign of Duncan being better, but honestly it's just who's your flavor.

Hawkeye15
06-16-2015, 11:53 AM
Duncan by a smidge for me.

ILLUSIONIST^248
06-16-2015, 11:56 AM
I never brought up top 3, it was top 5.

yea my only reasoning for James for the decade is because he was the best in the game 06/07/08/9/10 and really good in 05 and pretty good in 04.

The only answer should be Duncan.... Honestly Shaq is similar to James... Best there is for like 5 or 6 years and then is basically not there for the rest of the year... Kobe and Timmy played all 10 years at a top level but never best in the game... Timmy was better though.

Shaq and timmy are on my top 6 players ever... James 7... Kobe 8-10... Kobe has no argument over Duncan though.

He was the best player in 06/0708????? Lmaoooo

ILLUSIONIST^248
06-16-2015, 11:57 AM
How is it wrong?

Lebron Owned 06-10.... Duncan/Shaq owned 2000-2006.... When has Kobe ever been the best player in the world? He had 1 top 3 year in i think 05/06... The rest of the time he has been between 5-7 every year.

He is on my top 10 ever list because he was very good for so long.

Give me the years where you think he was a top 3 player that year and I can dispute it pretty easily.

u need to lay off those drugs lol

Seriously, he has some of the worst post I've ever read

Jayb587
06-16-2015, 12:29 PM
Kobe is widely regarded as the player of the decade to the entire world and was chosen that by every sports media outlet I could fine. So it doesn't matter what u kobe haters think lol.

Hawkeye15
06-16-2015, 12:32 PM
Kobe is widely regarded as the player of the decade to the entire world and was chosen that by every sports media outlet I could fine. So it doesn't matter what u kobe haters think lol.

someone hates Kobe if they put Duncan over him?

Jayb587
06-16-2015, 12:37 PM
someone hates Kobe if they put Duncan over him?

yes. kobe led the 2000's in minutes, points, championships, popularity, and also owns Duncan in the playoff h2h. Duncan led the 2000's in..... nothing.

Hawkeye15
06-16-2015, 12:40 PM
yes. kobe led the 2000's in minutes, points, championships, popularity, and also owns Duncan in the playoff h2h. Duncan led the 2000's in..... nothing.

wow if that is your reasoning haha. You need other peoples views to make your own?

Better to evaluate their basketball impact.

Jayb587
06-16-2015, 12:43 PM
wow if that is your reasoning haha. You need other peoples views to make your own?

Better to evaluate their basketball impact.

I don't need anyones views to make my own. I only checked to see what media outlets thought to see what the rest of the world thought. since in the world of psd, people hate on kobe lol.

Hawkeye15
06-16-2015, 12:46 PM
I don't need anyones views to make my own. I only checked to see what media outlets thought to see what the rest of the world thought. since in the world of psd, people hate on kobe lol.

why do you care what the media outlet thinks? And if you think it's "hate" to list Duncan as the better player over that span, your definition is pretty broad.

jerellh528
06-16-2015, 01:06 PM
Quick snippet of basic stats for each averaged out:

Kobe:
Pts: 28.4, rbs: 5.7, ast: 5.2, ts%: .558, per: 24.5

Duncan:
Pts: 20.8, rbs: 11.3, ast: 3.2, ts%: .550, per: 25.4

Shaq:
Pts: 20.8, rbs: 9.7, ast: 2.4, ts%: .585, per: 24.4

Pick your poison, they're all within the same realm of each other. Shaq tailed off pretty good the last few years and his defense/ effort wasn't up to par with Duncan or Kobe's. I say the best player of that decade was Kobe due to being the most skilled, dominant, and having sustained better, especially for a guard.Duncan seemed to be very pedestrian later on that decade as well.

S & B Bleeder
06-16-2015, 07:22 PM
Ask Spurfan who watched any of the matchups between the Lakers and Spurs, including playoffs, to tell you who was the best player on the floor and was a dagger in the heart of them time and time again. Just one:

Kobe.


In fact, one of my diehard Spurfan friends confidently said a comment along of the lines of Timmay having at least 3 more rings (said the 2004 team might've lost to Detroit as well) if Kobe wasnt there to stop those "Championship Teams".

Shaq and Duncan were amazing, but people seem to forget Shaq being so damn lazy every season and "Playing himself into shape" until his body just couldnt handle it anymore. Wilt Chamberlain BLASTED Shaq in '99 before he died for being out of shape and not working out hard. Said he could've easily been the greatest ever if he wasnt so lazy.

That alone takes Shaq out of the conversation.

McAllen Tx
06-16-2015, 08:58 PM
Lakers fan

Gotta go Duncan.

Shaq and Kobe had each other along with PJ for 4 of their Finals appearances.

The only person Duncan had who can be put in the same sentence as any of these guys is Pop.

Then Shaq had Wade and Kobe had Pau, Manu & Parker were very good but I would take either Pau or Wade then either of them.

Duncan.

Great question

THE MTL
06-16-2015, 10:01 PM
My main against Duncan was how many times was he considered a top 3 NBA player in this span. I def would go with 2002 and 2003. But once 2005 hit I feel that he was never in that conversation while Kobe was consistently top 3 for the rest of the decade

Jayb587
06-16-2015, 10:03 PM
Lakers fan

Gotta go Duncan.

Shaq and Kobe had each other along with PJ for 4 of their Finals appearances.

The only person Duncan had who can be put in the same sentence as any of these guys is Pop.

Then Shaq had Wade and Kobe had Pau, Manu & Parker were very good but I would take either Pau or Wade then either of them.

Duncan.

Great question

Duncan played on some stacked teams. And also had the benefit of the greatest coach and front office.

kdspurman
06-16-2015, 10:19 PM
Duncan played on some stacked teams. And also had the benefit of the greatest coach and front office.

He never had the 1-2 punch like Kobe/Shaq for example. Guys were developed on that team for the most part internally, and they added some quality role/bench guys. But the centerpiece and glue was Duncan. He made a lot of his teammates better.

I think Duncan being the force defensively that he was most of the decade (had knee problems later on in the decade which is why we saw a dip in production) but overall he was consistently very good on both sides of the ball. Only guy in history to be named to all nba and all defensive his first 13 years or so I believe. They were a great defensive team throughout his tenure mainly because of him.

That being said, I'm not mad at all if anyone picks Kobe or Shaq. Both guys were fantastic in their own right, and both were a thorn in our side several times.

KMackSackAttack
06-16-2015, 10:45 PM
Duncan is the best and it's coming from a Lakers fan



How so? Kobe went to 7 nba finals won 5 rings and did some amazing things it's kobe no doubt it was already discussed even by tnt and kobe was the top dog enough said its kobe