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Redrum187
05-28-2015, 04:13 PM
Over the last decade, the Mavericks and Warriors managed to obtain a 67-15 record. Which team had the superior squad and by how much? Would you consider the team's accomplishment (67 win record) for the team's greatest player (Nowitzki and Curry) as equal? Why or why not?

2006-2007 Dallas Mavericks (67-15)

PG: Devin Harris Anthony Johnson
SG: Jason Terry Jerry Stackhouse
SF: Josh Howard Devean George
PF: Dirk Nowitzki Austin Croshere
C: Erick Dampier DeSagana Diop

2014-2015 Golden State Warriors (67-15)

PG: Stephen Curry Shaun Livingston
SG: Klay Thompson Leandro Barbosa
SF: Harrison Barnes Andre Iguodala
PF: Draymond Green David Lee
C: Andrew Bogut Marreese Speights

goingfor28
05-28-2015, 04:18 PM
No clue how that dallas team won 67 games

lol, please
05-28-2015, 04:24 PM
Give me the Warriors here with a gun to my head.

Cal827
05-28-2015, 04:24 PM
^^ :laugh2: What he said.

You look at that Dallas Roster.... How the hell did they win 67 games? Jeez, I know that some of the players were in their primes back then, but still.

Redrum187
05-28-2015, 04:29 PM
Put the 2nd greatest PF in NBA history with a bunch of bench players and get a 67-15 team record... I'm not sure if my love for Dirk is causing me to be biased or if this is really one hell of an accomplishment for him/the team.

xxplayerxx23
05-28-2015, 04:42 PM
Warriors. Wow how did the mavs win that many games lol

BKLYNpigeon
05-28-2015, 04:45 PM
Thats the same year Dirk won the MVP.

kingsdelez24
05-28-2015, 04:52 PM
Josh Hiward was almost a budding all star at the time, Devin Harris was good, Terry qas Terry, they had good defensive Centers to compensate for Dirk, and they had stackhouse as a solid 6th man

The warrior's however are much deeper

Hawkeye15
05-28-2015, 04:53 PM
GS
SRS: 10.01 (1st)
Off (2nd)
Def (1st)
+10.1 point diff
expected win total: 65

Dallas
SRS: 7.28 (2nd)
Off (2nd)
Def (5th)
+7.2 point diff
expected win total: 61

GS is clearly the better team. Not by a mile, but there is a little gap in there.

KnicksorBust
05-28-2015, 05:04 PM
Don't forget how good Josh Howard and Jason Terry were for that team. Jason Terry has had a really interesting career. He was huuuuge that finals year.

Thumper 88
05-28-2015, 05:04 PM
That Dallas team also lost its first 4 games of the season..

Thumper 88
05-28-2015, 05:05 PM
Josh Hiward was almost a budding all star at the time, Devin Harris was good, Terry qas Terry, they had good defensive Centers to compensate for Dirk, and they had stackhouse as a solid 6th man

The warrior's however are much deeper

Eric was not a good defensive center lol come on man you can't be serious

Thumper 88
05-28-2015, 05:06 PM
No clue how that dallas team won 67 games

Dirk

Thumper 88
05-28-2015, 05:06 PM
Warriors. Wow how did the mavs win that many games lol

Dirk

Thumper 88
05-28-2015, 05:07 PM
Put the 2nd greatest PF in NBA history with a bunch of bench players and get a 67-15 team record... I'm not sure if my love for Dirk is causing me to be biased or if this is really one hell of an accomplishment for him/the team.
This

Thumper 88
05-28-2015, 05:08 PM
^^ :laugh2: What he said.

You look at that Dallas Roster.... How the hell did they win 67 games? Jeez, I know that some of the players were in their primes back then, but still.
Dirk

KnicksorBust
05-28-2015, 06:02 PM
Lot of Dirk love but you can take all the 67 win seasons you want and they won't erase that post-season disaster. I'm more impressed by 2011.

Ebbs
05-28-2015, 06:08 PM
The Mavs season is more impressive, the Warriors were a better team.

lamzoka
05-28-2015, 06:28 PM
Thats the same year Dirk won the MVP.

I remembered the Mavs got eliminated before the league even gave him the award. I think this is the same year the 8th seed warriors lead by Baron Davis eliminated the Mavs in the first round

YAALREADYKNO
05-28-2015, 06:31 PM
Because Dirk was that good. Yet people still wanna underrate the man. Look at that team and tell me which elite teammate he had? Dirk>any pf not named Duncan

YAALREADYKNO
05-28-2015, 06:34 PM
2006-2007 Dallas Mavericks (67-15)

PG: Devin Harris Anthony Johnson
SG: Jason Terry Jerry Stackhouse
SF: Josh Howard Devean George
PF: Dirk Nowitzki Austin Croshere
C: Erick Dampier DeSagana Diop

"But Dirks always had great help around him"

Scoots
05-28-2015, 06:35 PM
The West was stronger this year so despite the exceptional depth the Warriors had a bigger ladder to climb ... and they didn't stop in the first round of the playoffs.

IF the Warriors win the finals they will have 83 wins this season, which is within 2 wins of the Warriors win total from 2009/10 season to the 2011/12 season. While the Mavs keep rolling out 50 win season after 50 win season. Don't discount the quality of the Mavs teams and the Mavs franchise.

Redrum187
05-28-2015, 06:46 PM
The West was stronger this year so despite the exceptional depth the Warriors had a bigger ladder to climb ... and they didn't stop in the first round of the playoffs.

IF the Warriors win the finals they will have 83 wins this season, which is within 2 wins of the Warriors win total from 2009/10 season to the 2011/12 season. While the Mavs keep rolling out 50 win season after 50 win season. Don't discount the quality of the Mavs teams and the Mavs franchise.

2006-2007 Western Conference win total: 647
2014-2015 Western Conference win total: 653

Meh... They were essentially even; The west has been superior even before 2007. What wasn't even are their rosters.

The fact that Dirk did it with his mediocre players makes it the greater 67 win accomplishment for me. Their being eliminated in the postseason has no impact on the regular season 67 wins.

ManRam
05-28-2015, 06:51 PM
The Mavs overachieved.

The Warriors didn't.


So, the Warriors win.

Plus, a 10.01 SRS, +10.2 Net Rating for the Warriors trumps Dallas' 7.28 and +8.1 respectively.

YAALREADYKNO
05-28-2015, 06:57 PM
The Mavs overachieved.

The Warriors didn't.


So, the Warriors win.

Plus, a 10.01 SRS, +10.2 Net Rating for the Warriors trumps Dallas' 7.28 and +8.1 respectively.

Which is why it's even more impressive for Dirk

ManRam
05-28-2015, 07:27 PM
Which is why it's even more impressive for Dirk

Absolutely. I need to start reading OPs :laugh:

What the Mavs/Dirk did was more impressive to me.

JasonJohnHorn
05-28-2015, 07:32 PM
No clue how that dallas team won 67 games

+1


I'd say Dirk's MVP season was more deserving given that utter lack of elite talent that was on that roster.

That said, the 67 wins in this past season was more impressive to me because there were more legit contenders in the West: Spurs, Grizz, Rockets, Clippers. That season it looked like the Suns and Spurs were really the only contenders. On the flip side, the weaker teams were better in 07.


Tough call. Given the Dallas roster, their 67 wins was more impressive, but given the Warriors competition, the Warriors' 67 wins was more impressive.

Also.. those 67 wins translated to an NBA finals appearance and likely a championship.

ManRam
05-28-2015, 07:37 PM
This year's West probably has more good teams than 2007, but I think 2007 had better teams 2-5. At the very least, the gap isn't huge...

You had peak Suns in 2007. You had the NBA Champion Spurs (the Warriors can't say the NBA Champs were competition). You had very good Spurs and Jazz teams that compare very well to this year's 4th and 5th seeds.

So, again, this is with the caveat of regular season performance. Obviously winning a Finals would vault the Warriors over the top

valade16
05-29-2015, 09:15 AM
If we are going to constantly harp on how impressive it was for Dirk to carry this team to 67 wins we have to give equal weight to how disastrous it was that they lost in the first round, especially when Dirk shot 38% FG and 21% 3PT that series (for a .509 TS%)...

Thumper 88
05-29-2015, 09:48 AM
If we are going to constantly harp on how impressive it was for Dirk to carry this team to 67 wins we have to give equal weight to how disastrous it was that they lost in the first round, especially when Dirk shot 38% FG and 21% 3PT that series (for a .509 TS%)...
Equal weight to 6 games compared to 82? And iirc that was his only non dirk like playoff performance

FYL_McVeezy
05-29-2015, 09:54 AM
Warriors are the better team and it's not close.....

Dirk and the 2007 Mavs winning 67 games is the bigger accomplishment and it's not even close.....

Finley and Nash and Van Exel were all gone...this was a team consisting of Prime Dirk and role players....how the hell did they win 67 games now that I think about it :shrug:

valade16
05-29-2015, 09:54 AM
Equal weight to 6 games compared to 82? And iirc that was his only non dirk like playoff performance

My point is you can't be like "Oh Dirk is God for how many wins he got that team" without acknowledging he didn't get them very much in the playoffs.

How many praises should we sing about that season for a guy who led his team to the biggest upset in playoff history?

Thumper 88
05-29-2015, 10:27 AM
My point is you can't be like "Oh Dirk is God for how many wins he got that team" without acknowledging he didn't get them very much in the playoffs.

How many praises should we sing about that season for a guy who led his team to the biggest upset in playoff history?

Biggest upset in history? GS had their number all year..

What about Memphis vs San Antonio in 2011 first round.

I'm sure there's been bigger upsets in the history of the NBA.

And it's you can praise him before without him I doubt they even make the playoffs

YAALREADYKNO
05-29-2015, 10:45 AM
My point is you can't be like "Oh Dirk is God for how many wins he got that team" without acknowledging he didn't get them very much in the playoffs.

How many praises should we sing about that season for a guy who led his team to the biggest upset in playoff history?

Nobody said he was god we're just saying it's surprising he got that team to 67 wins. The playoffs weren't his best but it still doesn't take away the fact what he did with that roster. People praise KG and he didn't accomplish anything close to that until he was teamed up with pierce and allen

valade16
05-29-2015, 10:51 AM
Biggest upset in history? GS had their number all year..

What about Memphis vs San Antonio in 2011 first round.

I'm sure there's been bigger upsets in the history of the NBA.

And it's you can praise him before without him I doubt they even make the playoffs

The difference in their records was 15 games (61 to 46 wins). The difference in Dallas and GS's records was 25 games (67 to 42).

You can argue contextually there may have been bigger upsets in NBA Playoff history, but I believe in terms of record disparity it was concretely the biggest upset ever.

rockets-fan
05-29-2015, 02:51 PM
Don't forget how good Josh Howard and Jason Terry were for that team. Jason Terry has had a really interesting career. He was huuuuge that finals year.

This wasn't their championship year, it was the year the Warriors beat them in the first round.

Thumper 88
05-29-2015, 04:39 PM
Good catch RF I didn't even pick up on that..

With that said those two actually player really well in the GS playoff series but Dirk carried the team on his back the whole regular season

Chronz
05-29-2015, 05:05 PM
This wasn't their championship year, it was the year the Warriors beat them in the first round.

not to mention he sucked wen they made the finals

Redrum187
05-29-2015, 05:18 PM
My point is you can't be like "Oh Dirk is God for how many wins he got that team" without acknowledging he didn't get them very much in the playoffs.

How many praises should we sing about that season for a guy who led his team to the biggest upset in playoff history?

I think you can not acknowledge his postseason play that year seeing as 67 wins excludes the postseason as regular season is the only relevant factor when discussing a 67-15 team record.

Having said that, Dirk lead the league in WS/48 (his 3rd time in a row) that season with a .278. He was pretty Godly.

KnicksorBust
05-29-2015, 07:33 PM
Don't forget how good Josh Howard and Jason Terry were for that team. Jason Terry has had a really interesting career. He was huuuuge that finals year.

This wasn't their championship year, it was the year the Warriors beat them in the first round.

Lol I know. I mentioned that in a later post and the Terry post transitioned to talk of his career.

Thumper 88
05-29-2015, 08:33 PM
not to mention he sucked wen they made the finals

In 2011 he sucked?

ewing
05-30-2015, 01:37 AM
My point is you can't be like "Oh Dirk is God for how many wins he got that team" without acknowledging he didn't get them very much in the playoffs.

How many praises should we sing about that season for a guy who led his team to the biggest upset in playoff history?


i sing praising about him for it b/c i remember he was really bothered by Steph Jackson that series. I remember him bring brother by T-Mac as well. Dirk addressed it. He became and unstoppable post presence. These lengthy SFs weren't going ti shut Dirk down.

PowerHouse
05-30-2015, 02:25 AM
That Mavs team got rocked by an 8 seed. They were pathetic.

PowerHouse
05-30-2015, 02:27 AM
It would be a very interesting comparison matching this year's Warriors against the '00 Lakers (another 67 win team).

Mr.B
05-30-2015, 10:21 AM
Eric was not a good defensive center lol come on man you can't be serious

Man, that guy had the worst freaking hands I've ever seen. Couldn't catch a pass to save his life.

Mr.B
05-30-2015, 10:23 AM
That Dallas team also lost its first 4 games of the season..

If they at least split those two games and had a center like Tyson instead of Dampier they probably could have won 75-80 games.

Mr.B
05-30-2015, 10:25 AM
2006-2007 Dallas Mavericks (67-15)

PG: Devin Harris Anthony Johnson
SG: Jason Terry Jerry Stackhouse
SF: Josh Howard Devean George
PF: Dirk Nowitzki Austin Croshere
C: Erick Dampier DeSagana Diop

"But Dirks always had great help around him"

Haha, I don't even remember Anthony Johnson being in that team.

YAALREADYKNO
05-31-2015, 03:03 PM
Haha, I don't even remember Anthony Johnson being in that team.

Me too lmao