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Nikeman
05-28-2015, 12:07 AM
Who you got and why?

Personally I am going to go on a limb and take the Cavs (If Kyrie can play healthy). I like how Cleveland matches up with GS and I think they are the perfect team to stop the Warriors perimeter game.

Shump is the perfect defender for a Steph Curry, JR Smith when engaged is a quality defender, and LeBron can be the best defender in the NBA when he wants to be. TT can give anyone trouble rebounding and Mozgov is a good paint protector. Kyrie (if healthy) is the type of PG that can really make Curry work on defense as well, guarding Jason Terry was a joke for him this series.

I was not overly impressed with the Warriors in the finals to be honest outside of Game 3. Houston had very winnable Games 1 and 2 and were in it until they imploded in the 4th in Game 5.

Will be a great series to watch, just wish Kevin Love was playing and lets hope Kyrie can play healthy.

MonroeFAN
05-28-2015, 12:21 AM
I wish both teams could win tbh. This is a dream match up.

But I'm going Cavs in 5-6.

FlashBolt
05-28-2015, 12:25 AM
If Kyrie isn't healthy, Warriors in 5-6. If Kyrie is healthy, Cavs in 6-7. I don't know about James too.. he has to be more efficient shooting the ball and as for Tristan, he has to keep up that rebounding along with Shump/JR overall help. They are the 2/3rd best scorers for the Cavs with Irving/Love out and they need to hit 15 PPG MINIMUM to beat this team.

Nikeman
05-28-2015, 12:27 AM
If Kyrie isn't healthy, Warriors in 5-6. If Kyrie is healthy, Cavs in 6-7. I don't know about James too.. he has to be more efficient shooting the ball and as for Tristan, he has to keep up that rebounding along with Shump/JR overall help. They are the 2/3rd best scorers for the Cavs with Irving/Love out and they need to hit 15 PPG MINIMUM to beat this team.

Pretty spot on. LeBron can't keep shooting 15% from 3, or GSW will let him shoot all day and clog his driving lanes, JR and Shump need to step up, TT better dominate the glass and Kyrie needs to be healthy and make life difficult for Steph on D

goingfor28
05-28-2015, 12:29 AM
I think Mozgov and TT are going to kill GS on the glass

FlashBolt
05-28-2015, 12:30 AM
Just putting this out there, LeBron plays extremely well at the Oracle. One of his top 5 best per game averages come against Oracle. But we're seeing a completely different machine gun Warriors team. I want Cleveland to win as a LeBron fan but I have no issue seeing a great character in Curry take it. It will be fun to see where Curry ranks after this season with a ring.. might bump him to top ten and eventually, top 5 if he keeps dominating.

FlashBolt
05-28-2015, 12:31 AM
I think Mozgov and TT are going to kill GS on the glass

Meh, Draymond/Bogut aren't terrible rebounders by any means. Bogut is going to be extremely huge this series. Possibly the only guy capable of making Bron work hard at the paint.

goingfor28
05-28-2015, 12:32 AM
Meh, Draymond/Bogut aren't terrible rebounders by any means. Bogut is going to be extremely huge this series. Possibly the only guy capable of making Bron work hard at the paint.
No. But Draymond is a small PF and Bogut can't do it alone. It's going to be a great series. I think it goes 6-7 games no doubt.

Jarvo
05-28-2015, 12:33 AM
Warriors in 7.

lol, please
05-28-2015, 12:34 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/philladelfigga/NBA/Cavaliers.gifVS
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/philladelfigga/NBA/Warriors.gif


Game 1 (Oakland):
Thursday, June 4th, 2015
9:00 PM Eastern Time
Game 2 (Oakland):
Sunday, June 7th, 2015
8:00 PM Eastern Time
Game 3 (Cleveland):
Tuesday, June 9th, 2015
9:00 PM Eastern Time
Game 4 (Cleveland):
Thursday, June 11th, 2015
9:00PM Eastern Time
Game 5 (Oakland):
TBD
Game 6 (Cleveland):
TBD
Game 7 (Oakland):
TBD



ROARacle Arena, Oaktown

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Quicken Loans, Cleveland

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PROJECTED LINEUPS




The Dubs
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PTS/G: 110.0 (1st of 30) - Opp PTS/G: 99.9 (15th of 30)
SRS: 10.01 (1st of 30)
Warriors regular season home record: 39-2
Warriors regular season away record: 28-13


Cleveland Cavaliers
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PTS/G: 103.1 (8th of 30) - Opp PTS/G: 98.7 (13th of 30)
SRS: 4.08 (6th of 30)
Cavaliers regular season home record: 31-10
Cavaliers regular season away record: 22-19

Injury Update
Cavaliers: K. Love (Shoulder, out)

Warriors: Mookie Blaylock (left calf strain, questionable)




lol, please' Key Matchups:


Green vs Lebron
Klay vs Kyrie


Thread goal: 1000.0 posts

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NBA Finals

ChI_ShIzzLe
05-28-2015, 12:35 AM
That was fast [emoji23]

lol, please
05-28-2015, 12:36 AM
That was fast [emoji23]

I go hard in the paint lol.

FlashBolt
05-28-2015, 12:37 AM
Lmfao I died when I saw J.R/Moz with their former team's jersey...

Raps08-09 Champ
05-28-2015, 12:38 AM
Warriors are the heavy favourites for a reason. They should win in 4 or 5.

Raps08-09 Champ
05-28-2015, 12:39 AM
Warriors are the heavy favourites for a reason. They should win in 4 or 5.

lol, please
05-28-2015, 12:43 AM
Warriors are the heavy favourites for a reason. They should win in 4 or 5.

Preferably in 4.

QueensG_718
05-28-2015, 12:44 AM
Warriors in 6

QueensG_718
05-28-2015, 12:45 AM
I hope the warriors sweep

QueensG_718
05-28-2015, 12:46 AM
Knowing jr and shump they might fold in the finals. Those dudes were inconsistant as hell. No sour grapes just the truth

tredigs
05-28-2015, 12:47 AM
This thread needs to be done appropriately, not like this. Gotta have the match-ups, dates, a poll, etc. Interesting seeing the first 4 posters all going Cleveland though.

Raps08-09 Champ
05-28-2015, 12:51 AM
Lebron is averaging like 5 TO a game this postseason? The Warriors will absolutely abuse the Cavs on that. That's like 10-15 points right there.

Vee-Rex
05-28-2015, 12:54 AM
Showing the Q underneath Roaracle, and showing Toyota Center underneath Quicken Loans arena.

lakerboy
05-28-2015, 12:55 AM
Warriors in 5.

Teeboy1487
05-28-2015, 12:56 AM
Warriors in 5-6 on paper. Cavs do not have enough scoring to run with them. They really need a healthy Kyrie and Love in this series.

Nikeman
05-28-2015, 12:58 AM
This thread needs to be done appropriately, not like this. Gotta have the match-ups, dates, a poll, etc. Interesting seeing the first 4 posters all going Cleveland though.

Lol will get on that tomorrow

Tony_Starks
05-28-2015, 01:00 AM
I had the Dubs but the way Cleveland's role players have got comfortable I really don't know. Both teams rely on outside shooting a lot so either one can get hot at a moments notice. Both teams can turn it up defensively too.

As simple as it sounds it may very well boil down to who has a better series Steph or Lebron.

lol, please
05-28-2015, 01:01 AM
Showing the Q underneath Roaracle, and showing Toyota Center underneath Quicken Loans arena.

Thanks, I fixed it.

mngopher35
05-28-2015, 01:02 AM
Warriors in 5-6 on paper. Cavs do not have enough scoring to run with them. They really need a healthy Kyrie and Love in this series.

This is pretty much what I'm expecting too. The Cleveland role players have stepped up so I am a little more optimistic we might get a decent series but Warriors are just too good I think.

HandsOnTheWheel
05-28-2015, 01:03 AM
Cavs in 5, easily.

lol, please
05-28-2015, 01:04 AM
Cavs in 5, easily.

IKnowHoops, is that you?

Jarvo
05-28-2015, 01:05 AM
I don't know if people are dumb as hell or that confident that The Warriors will win this in 4-5 lol I truly believe this will be the series that The Cavs will miss Love's scoring the most.

chi-townlove1
05-28-2015, 01:06 AM
Warriors in 6

ChI_ShIzzLe
05-28-2015, 01:08 AM
You guys really think it's gonna be that easy for the Warriors? As much as I'd love to agree with you I think it's going 7 with the home team winning all the games.

HandsOnTheWheel
05-28-2015, 01:08 AM
IKnowHoops, is that you?

What?

mgjohnson7851
05-28-2015, 01:12 AM
My heart says Cleveland, but my head says Golden State.

still1ballin
05-28-2015, 01:12 AM
Warriors in 5

Mave1002
05-28-2015, 01:13 AM
If I may be allowed to re-post:

1.) Steve Kerr better make sure to limit Bogut's minutes for G5 vs Hou. I believe he's one of the keys to neutralize Mozgov down low.

2.) Just let LBJ be LBJ. Let him score 70 per game for all I care. Just make sure to keep all passing lanes in check neutralizing Irving-Thompson-Mozgov.

3.) Smith and Shump will chuck in the finals, guaranteed.

4.) Green and Barnes though, will be the X Factors. They produce on both ends behind Steph and Klay, GSW wins.

5.) I can see a great match-up ahead. Unless the GSW decides to go for a sweep.

Make it worth the trip boys, hope to see you there in a couple of years. :D

asandhu23
05-28-2015, 01:17 AM
This will be a tough series but my Warriors in 6.

Mave1002
05-28-2015, 01:17 AM
Cavs in 5, easily.

If I can dream. -Elvis Presley

Jayb587
05-28-2015, 01:18 AM
I don't think Kerr will be dumb enough to have his entire defense collapse on LeBron like the hawks . seriously how many Wide open 3's did the role players make. Challenge LeBron at the rim while staying home on the shooters and GS should run up the score quite easily. GSW in 5

Goose17
05-28-2015, 01:22 AM
WE GONNA BE CHAMPIONSHIP!!

This is it. I can feel it in my god damn bones. This is the moment. LET'S GOOOOOOOO!!!!!

Tony_Starks
05-28-2015, 01:29 AM
JR Swish is about to act a fool in the Finals. In a good way I mean, not in a do something dumb get suspended way...

HandsOnTheWheel
05-28-2015, 01:29 AM
Finals experience is going to play a huge role. Playing in the finals is like second nature to Lebron at this point. This Warriors team reminds me a lot of the 2012 Thunder that were extremely talented but just too inexperienced to win in the big stage. Cavs should be the favorites.

Vee-Rex
05-28-2015, 01:32 AM
That Harrison Barnes corner three is auto-*******-matic. Scary since the Splash brothers will be blazing already.

Blatt's getting the biggest test of his short NBA career right here. He has done well against Stevens/Thibs/Bud, so now we'll see how he does against Kerr. GS has superstar offensive talent (unlike Blatt's opponents thus far), so he will be seeing how demoralizing it is when you defend well and still give up points.

I'm seeing an epic series. My heart says Cavs in 7. Gun to my head? Cavs in 7, gonna have to blow my brains out! :D

BKLYNpigeon
05-28-2015, 01:39 AM
Warriors will be the toughest team the Cavs played all playoffs.

Tony_Starks
05-28-2015, 01:45 AM
Finals experience is going to play a huge role. Playing in the finals is like second nature to Lebron at this point. This Warriors team reminds me a lot of the 2012 Thunder that were extremely talented but just too inexperienced to win in the big stage. Cavs should be the favorites.

Don't buy it. That's the same logic that said Kyrie would struggle because he had no playoff experience, and he was beasting before he got hurt.

When you can shoot like the Splash Bros all that is out the window, especially with that Oracle crowd behind them that is going to be on a out of this world level...

ThaDubs
05-28-2015, 01:46 AM
Klay having postgame concussion like symptoms. Wonderful

ChI_ShIzzLe
05-28-2015, 01:51 AM
https://www.dropbox.com/s/829jpsp8wpgxa0x/video%20may%2028%2C%2012%2012%2048%20am.mp4?dl=0

MygirlhatesCod
05-28-2015, 02:11 AM
Klay having postgame concussion like symptoms. Wonderful

That's all I've been worked about. Good thing they have a week.

HandsOnTheWheel
05-28-2015, 02:25 AM
Don't buy it. That's the same logic that said Kyrie would struggle because he had no playoff experience, and he was beasting before he got hurt.

When you can shoot like the Splash Bros all that is out the window, especially with that Oracle crowd behind them that is going to be on a out of this world level...
Finals inexperience, not playoff inexperience. Big difference.

IKnowHoops
05-28-2015, 02:26 AM
IKnowHoops, is that you?

No thats not me, but that guy definitely know hoops. I got the Cavs in 5, maybe 6. I'm glad that everyone thinks the dubs can win. This could be the first time Bron actually gets some credit for winning a series.

IKnowHoops
05-28-2015, 02:28 AM
Cavs in 5, easily.

I can see 4,5, or 6. I really think Cleveland will outclass Golden State handily.

IKnowHoops
05-28-2015, 02:34 AM
JR Swish is about to act a fool in the Finals. In a good way I mean, not in a do something dumb get suspended way...

So you got the Cavs?

Bostonjorge
05-28-2015, 02:35 AM
Can't wait for the finals. It's a perfect series. Good guys Warriors vs bad guys cavs. Curry who everyone likes leading his underdog team. James who is a scumbag leading his bought team.

I can see Curry ripping away the best player tag away from James. Can't wait.

IKnowHoops
05-28-2015, 02:36 AM
Don't buy it. That's the same logic that said Kyrie would struggle because he had no playoff experience, and he was beasting before he got hurt.

When you can shoot like the Splash Bros all that is out the window, especially with that Oracle crowd behind them that is going to be on a out of this world level...

So what is your prediction?

IKnowHoops
05-28-2015, 02:39 AM
Can't wait for the finals. It's a perfect series. Good guys Warriors vs bad guys cavs. Curry who everyone likes leading his underdog team. James who is a scumbag leading his bought team.

I can see Curry ripping away the best player tag away from James. Can't wait.

LOL, how is Bron's team bought?

MygirlhatesCod
05-28-2015, 02:40 AM
Can't wait for the finals. It's a perfect series. Good guys Warriors vs bad guys cavs. Curry who everyone likes leading his underdog team. James who is a scumbag leading his bought team.

I can see Curry ripping away the best player tag away from James. Can't wait.

I don't believe anyone has the Warriors as underdogs

jason
05-28-2015, 02:43 AM
Warriors in 5-6

WITZ
05-28-2015, 02:43 AM
Going with Cavs in 6. They have proven the doubters wrong and I think they keep the trend going. The Cavs don't play defense, they have no shot to beat the bulls now that love is hurt, The Hawks are spurs of the east Aka Lebron's Kryptonite. They say defense wins championships so i'm going to go with the #1 defense in the playoffs.

basch152
05-28-2015, 02:47 AM
Finals inexperience, not playoff inexperience. Big difference.

What in the flying **** do tou think having "finals experience" changes? How are finals games so different from say conference finals that having experience somehow gives you a huge advantage?

Please explain this.

MygirlhatesCod
05-28-2015, 02:56 AM
What in the flying **** do tou think having "finals experience" changes? How are finals games so different from say conference finals that having experience somehow gives you a huge advantage?

Please explain this.

I've always wondered that myself. What's the difference? Every pro player in anything at one point has been in a championship situation. They play every game on a stage usually watched by millions and that's just regular season. I mean the stadiums are full regular season or not production is excepted regular season or not.

tredigs
05-28-2015, 03:05 AM
Finals experience is going to play a huge role. Playing in the finals is like second nature to Lebron at this point. This Warriors team reminds me a lot of the 2012 Thunder that were extremely talented but just too inexperienced to win in the big stage. Cavs should be the favorites.

Very weak comparison imo.

The Thunder in 2012 were still an extremely young group (22 and 23 yr olds), that's not these Warriors. Curry's 27 and in his 6th season, Bogut/Iggy/Barbosa/Livingston are seasoned vets, and even Barnes/Draymond/Klay all have 3+ years experience and multiple years of Western Conference playoff battles to draw from. I don't think they're unprepared or going to hide from the moment. Moreover, they're a far better team than that OKC squad. OKC was middling at best defensively and not as good as these Warriors offensively.

You're also talking about the Heat in 2012 who had ALL been to the Finals together and had complete synergy. They were also absolutely stacked + hungry after the embarrassing loss the prior year. That 2012 Heat team would very likely dominate this Cavs team.

Even Lebron will be up against a test he's very rarely faced. They were just showing the stat of how he's only beaten 7 50+ win teams in his playoff career (that's out of what 33 series.. in comparison, Curry's Dubs have already beat 3 50+ win teams out of a possible 6 series). IMO this is up there with the best team Lebron will have faced along with last years Spurs. You could definitely make the argument that this is the best team he's faced period.

Dubs in 5.

JNA17
05-28-2015, 03:13 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CGDWG1ZUEAA1xk0.jpg:large

The stat Tredigs is talking about.

The East is a joke. Cavs are in for a reality check in this Finals just like 2007.

FlashBolt
05-28-2015, 03:18 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CGDWG1ZUEAA1xk0.jpg:large

The stat Tredigs is talking about.

The East is a joke. Cavs are in for a reality check in this Finals just like 2007.

So Kobe is the GOAT is what you're saying?

FlashBolt
05-28-2015, 03:19 AM
Very weak comparison imo.

The Thunder in 2012 were still an extremely young group (22 and 23 yr olds), that's not these Warriors. Curry's 27 and in his 6th season, Bogut/Iggy/Barbosa/Livingston are seasoned vets, and even Barnes/Draymond/Klay all have 3+ years experience and multiple years of Western Conference playoff battles to draw from. I don't think they're unprepared or going to hide from the moment. Moreover, they're a far better team than that OKC squad. OKC was middling at best defensively and not as good as these Warriors offensively.

You're also talking about the Heat in 2012 who had ALL been to the Finals together and had complete synergy. They were also absolutely stacked + hungry after the embarrassing loss the prior year. That 2012 Heat team would very likely dominate this Cavs team.

Even Lebron will be up against a test he's very rarely faced. They were just showing the stat of how he's only beaten 7 50+ win teams in his playoff career (that's out of what 33 series.. in comparison, Curry's Dubs have already beat 3 50+ win teams out of a possible 6 series). IMO this is up there with the best team Lebron will have faced along with last years Spurs. You could definitely make the argument that this is the best team he's faced period.

Dubs in 5.

Proves nothing. Miami Heat in the West would have beaten many 50 win teams in any conference.

JNA17
05-28-2015, 03:20 AM
So Kobe is the GOAT is what you're saying?


The East is a joke

Pay attention. Reading comprehension is key.

IKnowHoops
05-28-2015, 03:21 AM
Just putting this out there, LeBron plays extremely well at the Oracle. One of his top 5 best per game averages come against Oracle. But we're seeing a completely different machine gun Warriors team. I want Cleveland to win as a LeBron fan but I have no issue seeing a great character in Curry take it. It will be fun to see where Curry ranks after this season with a ring.. might bump him to top ten and eventually, top 5 if he keeps dominating.

Are you saying top 10 and top 5 all time?

IKnowHoops
05-28-2015, 03:24 AM
I think Mozgov and TT are going to kill GS on the glass

Yep, If you can't stop Lebron, which the warriors can't, and then get killed on the glass, there is no way your gonna beat the Cavs. Those two facts are all you need to know. Cavs play good, intense defense and the Warriors are not going to be able to overcome Lebron and loosing the rebound battle.

FraziersKnicks
05-28-2015, 03:24 AM
Warriors in 6

Bostonjorge
05-28-2015, 03:30 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CGDWG1ZUEAA1xk0.jpg:large

The stat Tredigs is talking about.

The East is a joke. Cavs are in for a reality check in this Finals just like 2007.

James lost to the Spurs twice, Boston twice, Dallas, Orlando and Detroit.

So that's makes him 7-7 against equal competition. Where is this guy ranked in the all time list again?

tredigs
05-28-2015, 03:33 AM
Proves nothing. Miami Heat in the West would have beaten many 50 win teams in any conference.

His stance is that Lebron's experience alone is enough to outweigh the totality of the Warriors experience because he's played in the Finals before. What I'm saying is that A) his team overall still lacks experience and B) that Lebron is up against a different beast than he is accustomed to.

What the stat helps illustrate is that by and large, Lebron is used to playing easier teams in the playoffs than most people with his level of Finals experience.

nastynice
05-28-2015, 03:34 AM
This is gonna be a good series. Cleveland's been as good as any team in the nba since mid season. Dubs toughest test by far. I think we'll be able to string together enough runs to take the series in 6

IKnowHoops
05-28-2015, 03:36 AM
Warriors will be the toughest team the Cavs played all playoffs.

I dont think this will be a tougher series for Cleveland than the Bulls were. I think the Cavs just matchup super well with GS. I think Shump and Delly will make Steph have to work harder than ever, and Shump especially will make Steph less efficient than norma. Tristan will have his easiest time on the glass and he will help insure that the rebounding edge, especially on the offensive end are heavily in the Cavs favor. I think both JR and Shump are capable of outplaying Klay, especially with Lebron garnering so much attention. And then there is Bron. He's hype, and he's confident and he knows what he needs to do. He knows he needs to attack and he will leave it all on the floor. Basically the Cavs have been steadily improving the whole year and are currently at there best. Ive been watching them improve all year long and they haven't really stopped. They will probably be even better in this series than they were in the last. I feel an annihilation coming on. I have know doubt that the Cavs will somewhat manhandle this GS team. After all the ranting and raving about the West dominance, the real question is what excuses are people gonna come up with after the Cavs, without love, beat the doggy pizzle out of GS.

MTar786
05-28-2015, 04:47 AM
lol seriousy? this is actually a debate? i think warriors win in 6 at most. but if for some reason this goes 7.. i really dont see the warriors losing 4 games to the cavs of all teams

jason
05-28-2015, 05:22 AM
Warriors in 5 or 6

HoopsDrive
05-28-2015, 09:04 AM
Warriors heavy favorites going into this, LeBron could give the Cavs one or two wins but GS looks unstoppable this year. Cavs did well in sweeping Hawks and getting to the finals with the amount of injuries they had but to overcome that against the Warriors seems an impossible task. Warriors in 6.

Also, that stat of only 7 wins against 50+ win teams is telling indeed though I'm sure it will increase down the road to at least mid double digits. I don't think it will increase to 8 any time soon though...

MonroeFAN
05-28-2015, 09:21 AM
I wrote my prediction in the short bus topic... Here it is again.

Cleveland in 5-6. Major fan of Golden state, just not a fan of western conference basketball philosophy against tough nosed eastern conference teams. The only person who can stop lebron is popovich in my opinion. I see GS front court being absolutely man handled. It should be a "close" 5-6 game series though.

Either way, I can't for the life of me understand how Golden State would be viewed as heavy favorites. Sounds like 03-04 again. All that fluff for nothing.

rocket
05-28-2015, 09:51 AM
It's going in 6 or 7. yall are stupid if you think differently

Avenged
05-28-2015, 10:05 AM
Got the Cavs.. but hoping for the Warriors. Curry on the road of becoming legendary with his first chip

FlashBolt
05-28-2015, 10:58 AM
Pay attention. Reading comprehension is key.

Yeah, but what does THAT prove? Are you trying to imply that Kobe is better because he has faced better competition? It means nothing.

Muttman73
05-28-2015, 11:47 AM
Yeah more LeBron, GS in a sweep!

koreancabbage
05-28-2015, 11:47 AM
James lost to the Spurs twice, Boston twice, Dallas, Orlando and Detroit.

So that's makes him 7-7 against equal competition. Where is this guy ranked in the all time list again?

up there.

these numbers mean nothing in reality.

HandsOnTheWheel
05-28-2015, 11:48 AM
Very weak comparison imo.

The Thunder in 2012 were still an extremely young group (22 and 23 yr olds), that's not these Warriors. Curry's 27 and in his 6th season, Bogut/Iggy/Barbosa/Livingston are seasoned vets, and even Barnes/Draymond/Klay all have 3+ years experience and multiple years of Western Conference playoff battles to draw from. I don't think they're unprepared or going to hide from the moment. Moreover, they're a far better team than that OKC squad. OKC was middling at best defensively and not as good as these Warriors offensively.
You're also talking about the Heat in 2012 who had ALL been to the Finals together and had complete synergy. They were also absolutely stacked + hungry after the embarrassing loss the prior year. That 2012 Heat team would very likely dominate this Cavs team.

Even Lebron will be up against a test he's very rarely faced. They were just showing the stat of how he's only beaten 7 50+ win teams in his playoff career (that's out of what 33 series.. in comparison, Curry's Dubs have already beat 3 50+ win teams out of a possible 6 series). IMO this is up there with the best team Lebron will have faced along with last years Spurs. You could definitely make the argument that this is the best team he's faced period.

Dubs in 5.

Opinionated.

Since 2010 Lebron has won 3 of a possible 5 series against 50+ win teams in the playoffs (not to mention the lockout season), that stat is negligible. Especially since Warriors are 3 for 6.

Take into account that Lebron lost to a team in the Spurs that had won 4 of 5 finals appearances prior to winning last year with one of the greatest coaches the game has seen. He is conditioned to play against the best and ultimately win against the best and furthermore is hungry to avenge last year's loss.

Sure this is the first year the new look Cavs are getting to the Finals but time and time again Lebron has shown that he makes his teammates better and it is never wise to undermine what he can do for a team or bet against him.

Its also not as if the Thunder didn't have their seasoned veterans at the time (Fisher- multiple rings, Perkins- two rings, Collison, Sefolosha, Mohammed). How many players on the Dubs can say they have won a ring? None.

Can the Dubs overcome all the inexperience? It's possible, but very unlikely this year. Will they come back in years to come and win it all? More probable IMO.

Tony_Starks
05-28-2015, 11:50 AM
I think this is Steph officially claiming that #1 spot. The way he's doing it, beating all his 1st all NBA teammates, is something unheard of. MVP, plus he's still shooting what 44% from 3 with everyone's game plan to stop him? Made light work of the so-called "runner up." Now Lebron.

I don't even see this as a pass the torch moment, he's snatching that.

MonroeFAN
05-28-2015, 12:12 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CGDWG1ZUEAA1xk0.jpg:large

The stat Tredigs is talking about.

The East is a joke. Cavs are in for a reality check in this Finals just like 2007.

I can't believe this is being posted, yet again. Formulate an equation that makes it a level playing field, and I guarantee it's a lot closer than you think. Kobe has played in a deeper conference for his entire career. MJ played in a deeper conference for his entire career.

Scoots
05-28-2015, 12:13 PM
Can this thread be merged into the "official" series thread?

Bostonjorge
05-28-2015, 12:24 PM
I can't believe this is being posted, yet again. Formulate an equation that makes it a level playing field, and I guarantee it's a lot closer than you think. Kobe has played in a deeper conference for his entire career. MJ played in a deeper conference for his entire career.

The 7-7 record says other wise. If he loses to the Warriors he will be 7-8.

MinnesotaFtw
05-28-2015, 12:29 PM
Cavs in 6.

MonroeFAN
05-28-2015, 12:35 PM
Overall in his playoff history? Then I'll stop, but I still don't think it means anything. Lebron is viewed by anyone who isn't a hater as the better player when comparing the two. (Kobe). We can argue semantics (talent surrounding him, coaching, scheme) or the Lebron haters can find something better to do.

Up to you I guess.

Goose17
05-28-2015, 12:36 PM
I don't see why Dubs would lose out on the glass to Tristan and Mozgov. In the playoffs Cavs are averaging 1 offensive rebound more per game and 2 defensive rebounds more. And they haven't faced bigs the caliber of Dwight, Z-Bo, Gasol, Davis or even Anderson (for offensive rebounds). I think TT might cause some issues but nothing that cant be handled. With the way the Warriors push the ball his impact might not be as great as some expect.

goingfor28
05-28-2015, 12:41 PM
Lebron>Kobe. Rings are a team thing.

MonroeFAN
05-28-2015, 12:44 PM
It's not even close in my mind. I've watched both of their careers, from an unbiased perspective. I would take Lebron on my team 10 out of 10 times. It was almost funny watching Kobe shoot the Lakers out of the finals when we played them. Had he just passed the ball to Shaq we most likely would have been owned.

Bostonjorge
05-28-2015, 12:47 PM
It's not even close in my mind. I've watched both of their careers, from an unbiased perspective. I would take Lebron on my team 10 out of 10 times. It was almost funny watching Kobe shoot the Lakers out of the finals when we played them. Had he just passed the ball to Shaq we most likely would have been owned.

Wow looks like that James stat hurt you bad.

Scoots
05-28-2015, 12:53 PM
If this finals series somehow becomes about LeBron vs Kobe/MJ/etc it's going to get very tiresome very quickly.

MonroeFAN
05-28-2015, 12:55 PM
@ BostonJavier - Are you being serious right now? I can't really tell. I basically just explained to you why it's not a valid stat, and you either chose to ignore it, or can't read.

Let's be absolutely certain here, nothing you say on here will ever "hurt me bad". Basically I'm impressed that you're able to properly formulate sentences. Put me on ignore, or whatever you need to do. You and I will not make good debate partners.

@ Scoots, No, this isn't about Lebron vs MJ, Kobe or anyone. That screen cap from ESPN is nonsense, for reasons explained in this topic by myself and others. It wouldn't hold up in any intelligent argument, it's for feeble minded people who are unable to decipher the difference between the two conferences. Let it die and allow us to never speak of it again. This is about GSW vs CLE.

IKnowHoops
05-28-2015, 01:05 PM
It's not even close in my mind. I've watched both of their careers, from an unbiased perspective. I would take Lebron on my team 10 out of 10 times. It was almost funny watching Kobe shoot the Lakers out of the finals when we played them. Had he just passed the ball to Shaq we most likely would have been owned.

Do laker fans not realize this?

ThaDubs
05-28-2015, 01:13 PM
Just putting this out there, LeBron plays extremely well at the Oracle. One of his top 5 best per game averages come against Oracle. But we're seeing a completely different machine gun Warriors team. I want Cleveland to win as a LeBron fan but I have no issue seeing a great character in Curry take it. It will be fun to see where Curry ranks after this season with a ring.. might bump him to top ten and eventually, top 5 if he keeps dominating.

Umm.... all-time....?

Corey
05-28-2015, 01:14 PM
Golden State in 6...Maybe 5

FlashBolt
05-28-2015, 01:18 PM
Umm.... all-time....?

Top 5 all time if he keeps dominating for at least five years and top ten if he wins the ring this season tbh. He's the best shooter by far, he's got an MVP, he's got a ring. This guy is fire man. They were just talking about how GSW are going to be the new model of a team in which shooters are just dominating but I disagree.. Curry's shooting is going to be unmatched in our lifetime. It's incredible that this guy shoots better from the three than Roy Hibbert's overall FG%.. and Roy's a paint player.

Chromehounds
05-28-2015, 01:44 PM
The Cavs match up well vs. the W's, will be a 7-game series. Who will win? Coin flip at this point for me.
The W's an unstoppable force vs. LeBron which is an immovable object. We'll see...which to be proven false! There can only be one, Must Watch Basketball!

Go W's

ThaDubs
05-28-2015, 01:47 PM
Top 5 all time if he keeps dominating for at least five years and top ten if he wins the ring this season tbh. He's the best shooter by far, he's got an MVP, he's got a ring. This guy is fire man. They were just talking about how GSW are going to be the new model of a team in which shooters are just dominating but I disagree.. Curry's shooting is going to be unmatched in our lifetime. It's incredible that this guy shoots better from the three than Roy Hibbert's overall FG%.. and Roy's a paint player.

I agree, I'm just not used to people saying this sort of stuff yet, outside of me and a couple of my friends. I truly believe Steph is on his way to becoming maybe the best (or at least top 3) point guard of all time. He just had a regular season that was metrically better than Magic Johnson's best season and is having a playoff year rivaling Magic's best. He has a playing style that will let him be effective maybe into his mid-late 30s as well. Per minute, he is easily the best player in the game right now statistically, with LeBron probably still being the best player on the planet.

FlashBolt
05-28-2015, 01:51 PM
I agree, I'm just not used to people saying this sort of stuff yet, outside of me and a couple of my friends. I truly believe Steph is on his way to becoming maybe the best (or at least top 3) point guard of all time. He just had a regular season that was metrically better than Magic Johnson's best season and is having a playoff year rivaling Magic's best. He has a playing style that will let him be effective maybe into his mid-late 30s as well. Per minute, he is easily the best player in the game right now statistically, with LeBron probably still being the best player on the planet.

What your saying is true but I'd still have CP3 over Steph even if Steph wins a ring/MVP. I can't overlook CP3's reputation for being a statistic legend and the highest ranked in terms of PG's. If Steph can keep it up, he will be top five for sure. We've never seen this before and that should warrant some bonus points.

bucketss
05-28-2015, 01:53 PM
i want to see tristan and draymond go at it lol

ThaDubs
05-28-2015, 01:56 PM
What your saying is true but I'd still have CP3 over Steph even if Steph wins a ring/MVP. I can't overlook CP3's reputation for being a statistic legend and the highest ranked in terms of PG's. If Steph can keep it up, he will be top five for sure. We've never seen this before and that should warrant some bonus points.

Yeah that's the one guy I'm thinking is still ahead of Steph (statistically, at least). 23 ppg, 5.5 rpg, and 12 apg on 50%+ I think he averaged in Charlotte? Next season should be Steph's peak though, and if he plays regular MVP minutes I really don't know what to expect. He could average 20 ppg and 10+ apg if he wanted, or 32 ppg and 5 apg if he wanted. Either way I expect some greatness. He should have a smooth decline as well, and who knows, maybe he has one of those weird second peaks like Nash and Payton.

D-Leethal
05-28-2015, 02:04 PM
The Cavs match up well vs. the W's, will be a 7-game series. Who will win? Coin flip at this point for me.
The W's an unstoppable force vs. LeBron which is an immovable object. We'll see...which to be proven false! There can only be one, Must Watch Basketball!

Go W's

You should do the NBA Finals hype up intro for ABC.

jason
05-28-2015, 02:28 PM
I think the Warriors offense will be too much for the Cavs and I could see us letting James get his but stopping the rest of the team

Vee-Rex
05-28-2015, 02:40 PM
i want to see tristan and draymond go at it lol

kinky

archdevil84
05-28-2015, 02:40 PM
this series could either be realy close or be complete blowout. anyway good luck to both teams. Hoping for a cavs win for bron

IKnowHoops
05-28-2015, 02:43 PM
I don't see why Dubs would lose out on the glass to Tristan and Mozgov. In the playoffs Cavs are averaging 1 offensive rebound more per game and 2 defensive rebounds more. And they haven't faced bigs the caliber of Dwight, Z-Bo, Gasol, Davis or even Anderson (for offensive rebounds). I think TT might cause some issues but nothing that cant be handled. With the way the Warriors push the ball his impact might not be as great as some expect.\

What? Marc Gasol averages under 8 reb a game. Pau Gasol averages 11. Then you add Noah and Gibson who are both very tough and tenacious. They absolutely have faced the highest caliber of rebounding in the Bulls and TT soned them all.

IKnowHoops
05-28-2015, 02:47 PM
Top 5 all time if he keeps dominating for at least five years and top ten if he wins the ring this season tbh. He's the best shooter by far, he's got an MVP, he's got a ring. This guy is fire man. They were just talking about how GSW are going to be the new model of a team in which shooters are just dominating but I disagree.. Curry's shooting is going to be unmatched in our lifetime. It's incredible that this guy shoots better from the three than Roy Hibbert's overall FG%.. and Roy's a paint player.

So with a ring he passes Barkley, Malone, KG, Drob. IMO he won't pass any of these guys, and under no circumstances could he ever be better than Drob. Most people think Anthony Davis is better than Curry and AD is still just a baby and I dont see AD ever being better than Drob either. Curry is great, and yes the best shooter ever. But he's not better than Larry Bird even if he is a better shooter than Larry Bird. Bird does everything else better and the shooting is close.

IKnowHoops
05-28-2015, 02:49 PM
What your saying is true but I'd still have CP3 over Steph even if Steph wins a ring/MVP. I can't overlook CP3's reputation for being a statistic legend and the highest ranked in terms of PG's. If Steph can keep it up, he will be top five for sure. We've never seen this before and that should warrant some bonus points.

Oh top 5 pg...yeah I can see that for sure.

Scoots
05-28-2015, 03:04 PM
@ Scoots, No, this isn't about Lebron vs MJ, Kobe or anyone. That screen cap from ESPN is nonsense, for reasons explained in this topic by myself and others. It wouldn't hold up in any intelligent argument, it's for feeble minded people who are unable to decipher the difference between the two conferences. Let it die and allow us to never speak of it again. This is about GSW vs CLE.

The problem is I don't think many other posters realize it.

TrueFan420
05-28-2015, 03:05 PM
WE GONNA BE CHAMPIONSHIP!!

This is it. I can feel it in my god damn bones. This is the moment. LET'S GOOOOOOOO!!!!!

Stop saying what I'm thinking! Let's just sit back and enjoy this moment and hope it all plays out proper.

ThaDubs
05-28-2015, 05:25 PM
So with a ring he passes Barkley, Malone, KG, Drob. IMO he won't pass any of these guys, and under no circumstances could he ever be better than Drob. Most people think Anthony Davis is better than Curry and AD is still just a baby and I dont see AD ever being better than Drob either. Curry is great, and yes the best shooter ever. But he's not better than Larry Bird even if he is a better shooter than Larry Bird. Bird does everything else better and the shooting is close.

Curry is a better playmaker, and we could debate over who is the better scorer for days when you take minutes, overall efficiency, and usage rate into account. What Curry did against elite point guards this year defensively is amazing. Curry's PER and WS/48 are both quite superior to peak Bird and peak Barkley, and his metric stats compete with the rest of the guys you mentioned.

ThaDubs
05-28-2015, 05:27 PM
People forget Curry's peak year is supposed to be 15-16... expect some more all-time greatness. I sense a 30+ PER coming....

JLeBeau76
05-28-2015, 05:48 PM
Curry is a better playmaker, and we could debate over who is the better scorer for days when you take minutes, overall efficiency, and usage rate into account. What Curry did against elite point guards this year defensively is amazing. Curry's PER and WS/48 are both quite superior to peak Bird and peak Barkley, and his metric stats compete with the rest of the guys you mentioned.


may I interject one point. How would Curry's stats hold up in Birds era where you could pretty much shank a guy and not get a technical foul? And vise versa, how much better would Birds numbers have been if he had the benefit of todays softer NBA?

Just some food for thought.

JLeBeau76
05-28-2015, 05:56 PM
Oh,and Cavs in 6. There is no answer to LeBron on the Warriors. Whatever they do, he will use it to his advantage. Unlike 2007, he is a chess master on the court now.



Also think Blatt will outcoach Kerr. Blatt is far more experienced at coaching at a championship level. Granted, it wasn't the NBA but in terms of pressure (not to be confused with scrutiny or talent level), the chips he has coached are the equal of the one he's trying for.



Also love the game planning done (by the Cavs) so far this playoffs as well as mid game adjustments.

ThaDubs
05-28-2015, 06:14 PM
may I interject one point. How would Curry's stats hold up in Birds era where you could pretty much shank a guy and not get a technical foul? And vise versa, how much better would Birds numbers have been if he had the benefit of todays softer NBA?

Just some food for thought.

Well Curry doesn't score most of his points on Technical Foul freethrows lol

SF8
05-28-2015, 06:18 PM
Everyone picking GSW to win in a sweep or 5 but I'm not gonna rule out LeBron James led team out that fast.

SF8
05-28-2015, 06:18 PM
This should be a very fun series imo.

SF8
05-28-2015, 06:19 PM
Everyone saying Kyrie can't guard Steph and that's true but lets not pretend like Steph can guard Kyrie either.

If Steph's gonna let a 67 year old man do this to him, I can only imagine what Kyrie has in store for him


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aJEorlPugM

Goose17
05-28-2015, 06:21 PM
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What? Marc Gasol averages under 8 reb a game. Pau Gasol averages 11. Then you add Noah and Gibson who are both very tough and tenacious. They absolutely have faced the highest caliber of rebounding in the Bulls and TT soned them all.

Gasol might not get a lot of rebounds himself but he's excellent at preventing others from getting rebounds (he usually makes sure they fall to Z-Bo or another forward. The thing is you can't dismiss Gasol and then say Noah.

Even then. None of the names you mentioned are comparable to Davis or Dwight. And in terms of offensive rebounding they're not comparable to Anderson either.

I'm not doubting TTs ability. He crashes the offensive glass like a demon. I'm just saying people seem to think the Dubs can't match that. Which is odd considering there's one offensive rebound difference in their per game averages this post season. And the Dubs have clearly played the superior front courts in that regard.

Also, like I say. With the way we push the ball rebounding shouldn't be as big an issue as it would be for a team like Atlanta.

ThaDubs
05-28-2015, 06:22 PM
Everyone saying Kyrie can't guard Steph and that's true but lets not pretend like Steph can guard Kyrie either.

If Steph's gonna let a 67 year old man do this to him, I can only imagine what Kyrie has in store for him


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aJEorlPugM

Getting you're ankles broken is not an indication of bad defense. Just ask Chris Paul...

bucketss
05-28-2015, 06:37 PM
i just watched some tape of draymond guarding bron one on one, i thought draymond was a big dude, Wow lebron makes him look small.

MygirlhatesCod
05-28-2015, 07:23 PM
this series could either be realy close or be complete blowout. anyway good luck to both teams. Hoping for a cavs win for bron

What other outcome is there?

goingfor28
05-28-2015, 07:24 PM
i just watched some tape of draymond guarding bron one on one, i thought draymond was a big dude, Wow lebron makes him look small.
Green is probably 6'6, 6'7 at best. I think he's listed taller than he really is, like Glen Davis

Yanks All Day
05-28-2015, 07:24 PM
Looking back on their most recent matchup, which is the one LeBron played in, some things really stand out that could be different this time around:

1) The Warriors scored a bunch of points in the paint. Most of them coming with Kevin Love playing defense. The Cavs' front court is much tougher now without him.

2) David Lee played a really nice game. They might need him again this series. Bogut can't possibly do it alone, especially if Draymond Green has to guard LeBron.

3) Kyrie got to the lane at will. Not so sure that'll be the case this time around.

4) LeBron shot 4-9 from 3 point range and hit a lot of jumpers. He hasn't been shooting jumpers well in the slightest in the playoffs.

Those are 4 really big differences that make me think this series could be nothing like the game they played at the end of February. One thing is still the same, though, no matter what: Golden State has no one that can guard LeBron James one on one. That, to me, is the biggest difference.

You can talk about Golden State's depth all you want. The fact of the matter is Cleveland rolls 8-9 deep every night as well, so their depth is severely underrated. Rosters shorten in the playoffs, anyway, and Cleveland really has a set of guys that don't seem to get intimidated by an opponent or particularly like sitting out. Kyrie/Shumpert/Smith/Dellavedova on the perimeter and LeBron/Thompson/Mosgov/Jones at forward are extremely formidable, especially when the one player you have no answer for is the best player in the world.

To me, it's pretty clear: Golden State has the advantage at guards and Cleveland does on the front court. I just think that the gap between Cleveland's guards and Golden State's guards are closer than the forwards match up, especially if Kyrie Irving is healthy after 9 days off. It seems to me that Klay and Steph have to really go off for Golden State to win the Finals, while Cleveland's style of play makes for them matching up well in this series.

Until Golden State proves in game action that they have an answer for LeBron, I can't call them favorites. While I said this series could be different than February's game, the fact still remains the only time they played LeBron, they were dominated and haven't yet proven that that won't be the case again. As of right now, I expect Cleveland to take Games 1, 3, 4, and 6 while Golden State takes Games 2 and 5.

Vee-Rex
05-28-2015, 08:39 PM
It's simple.

There are two ways you can guard LeBron.

1. One on One
2. Double team/collapse on him when he drives in the paint

Because Golden State has no one that can guard him like Butler/Leonard, they'll have to use some combination of both. This automatically creates defensive problems since LeBron is incredible at finding open teammates.

There is no magical formula. No new, undiscovered way to defend LeBron. The Celtics in 2008 under Thibodeau played terrific team defense (which centered around collapsing the paint and intense rotations), but since then LeBron's BBIQ has grown and it showed when he still managed to be effective though shooting poorly against Jimmy Buckets and Thibodeau's defense this year.

LeBron has seen it all and has arguably the highest BBIQ in the game today. I don't think any of the Warriors players will defend him better than Demarre Carroll did. The Hawks, having tried to guard him 1-on-1, saw they couldn't really stop his onslaught in the paint, immediately started to collapsed. From there on, LeBron's presence destroyed any hopes of them trying to defend one-on-one for the most part.

It's soooooo hard to just LET him get his and try to contain the others. Only a Gregg Popovich-disciplined team (with Kawhi Leonard) has been able to do that in recent years. Why?

Because he can make tough shots look easy. You can be disciplined and defend him well 1-on-1 and he still makes an easy-looking layup. Then the next time he pops a jump shot. Then after that, he drives in for another easy layup. Then, while he's posting up... the defense panics and collapses/doubles and there goes LeBron, kicking it out to endless shooters on the perimeter.

I don't think people realize how difficult it is to guard a LeBron led team that is literally built to maximize his strengths. Thibodeau is one of the best defensive minds in the game, AND he had Jimmy Butler who is top 2 in the NBA in guarding Bron, and despite that they still struggled to stop LeBron's offense (not talking about him, but the system built for him).

It's easy to look at the game and play armchair commander and say, "Oh Thibs sucks. Bulls suck. Coach Bud sucks, he's collapsing too hard on Bron. He shouldn't do that."

It's a chessmatch out there. You can have the perfect defense set up and LBJ is just one second too fast for the help, or the defender just didn't get quite enough push, or the rotation is a second too slow. The game is really more complex than it may look.

GS obviously is a billion times better offensively than the Bulls, but if you don't really have the tools to defend LeBron then I highly highly doubt a team could sweep him or 5-game him. Many appear to think it'll be easy for GS. This is gonna be a tough series for both teams.

Greet
05-28-2015, 08:46 PM
There's no way Draymond is going to guard LeBron, in my opinion.

Vee-Rex
05-28-2015, 08:47 PM
GS WILL come out trying to defend LeBron 1-on-1. It's the best recipe. The Celtics/Hawks/Bulls did, but only the Bulls had a defender that could consistently do it and not get their defense killed.

If some combination of Iggy/Green/Barnes/Thompson could do well, GS got the green light to dominate the series. I just have my doubts that any of them can. None of that group (with the exception of Green) has shown to be as good as Carroll defensively, and Green has been dominated every time against LeBron in his career (same for Iggy).

Btw, I'm only blowing LBJ in these last two posts because of the overwhelming favor of GS in the polls. If I were to try to list Golden State's strengths as a team I'd probably be typing for days, and it seems like everyone already understand them anyway based off the predictions. :)

JLeBeau76
05-28-2015, 08:58 PM
Well Curry doesn't score most of his points on Technical Foul freethrows lol


no crap, lol. My point is that if guards today could get as physical with Curry as they could back in Birds era, then I doubt he'd have as pretty a stat line.

Its the same as how in football, there were something like 11 qbs who threw for over 4000 yards last season as opposed to like 2 in 1980.

The tightening of officiating in both sports have freed up offensive specialists like Curry, and even Irving, to flourish.

lol, please
05-28-2015, 09:18 PM
The fact people are trying to hold on to the narrative that the cavs will give the dubs trouble "because lebron" is laughable and makes it painfully clear those people aren't giving the warriors their due respect. One of the most dominant seasons in history but cavs in 5, and the only reason is "lebron". A 5 year old esque argument if I've ever heard one. Nevermind that the warriors are better at every facet of the game. I can't wait to see the looks on faces of people who really think he's that impactful that he's going to do anything other than watch in disgust as his team gets not only routed, they get embarrassed on a national level.

Dubs in 4.

ThaDubs
05-28-2015, 09:23 PM
no crap, lol. My point is that if guards today could get as physical with Curry as they could back in Birds era, then I doubt he'd have as pretty a stat line.

Its the same as how in football, there were something like 11 qbs who threw for over 4000 yards last season as opposed to like 2 in 1980.

The tightening of officiating in both sports have freed up offensive specialists like Curry, and even Irving, to flourish.

Curry would do just fine. Players weren't as athletic back then and Curry is a criminally underrated athlete, is tough, and is solidly built (at least nowadays). He might be even better back then because defenses didn't focus on eliminating the 3 point shot as much back in the day.

ThaDubs
05-28-2015, 09:34 PM
The fact people are trying to hold on to the narrative that the cavs will give the dubs trouble "because lebron" is laughable and makes it painfully clear those people aren't giving the warriors their due respect. One of the most dominant seasons in history but cavs in 5, and the only reason is "lebron". A 5 year old esque argument if I've ever heard one. Nevermind that the warriors are better at every facet of the game. I can't wait to see the looks on faces of people who really think he's that impactful that he's going to do anything other than watch in disgust as his team gets not only routed, they get embarrassed on a national level.

Dubs in 4.

Yeah I think this "because LeBron" **** is silly. He's been pretty meh in the playoffs. Terrible shooting and high turnovers. We can pack the paint against him unless he raises that 18% on 3s in the playoffs. I expect Dellevadova to try and hurt the Splash Bros just like Trevor Ariza.

lol, please
05-28-2015, 09:37 PM
A Rockets fan in their forum said he was unimpressed by the warriors, bogut is made of glass, green and klay are overrated, and the cavs will win in 6. I lol'd.

Saddletramp
05-28-2015, 09:56 PM
A Rockets fan in their forum said he was unimpressed by the warriors, bogut is made of glass, green and klay are overrated, and the cavs will win in 6. I lol'd.

Go talk to him over there. You show up anyway with your vbookie nonsense.


As far as the series goes, I'd love for LeBron to shut the haters up again but I just don't see the Warriors not winning. At the beginning of the year I thought/posted it was Cavs/Spurs. Half way through I thought/posted it would be Warriors/Cavs and I have the Spurs a chance again right at the end if the season. It was just inevitable with LeBron and how stacked the Warriors are withbthe MVP to boot. And as long as those face up screens aren't called, Steph will be open all series. And Klay played pretty crappy most of the Houston series so if he shows up, those threes will be falling. Also, Klay won't be getting burned by a top 2 guard all game.

Warriors in 5 or 6.

JLeBeau76
05-28-2015, 09:57 PM
The fact people are trying to hold on to the narrative that the cavs will give the dubs trouble "because lebron" is laughable and makes it painfully clear those people aren't giving the warriors their due respect. One of the most dominant seasons in history but cavs in 5, and the only reason is "lebron". A 5 year old esque argument if I've ever heard one. Nevermind that the warriors are better at every facet of the game. I can't wait to see the looks on faces of people who really think he's that impactful that he's going to do anything other than watch in disgust as his team gets not only routed, they get embarrassed on a national level.

Dubs in 4.


hypocritical much? You cry "disrespect" because people are siting leBron as the reason why the Cavs will win the finals yet turn it around and not give any respect to James by saying Warriors in 4.

Fact is Warriors, though talented and completely capable of winning the Finals, haven't looked like world beaters this postseason. They are beatable.

And before we get into the East/West thing, it my opinion that both the Bulls and the Hawks would have made the postseason in the West. I also believe the Bulls are at least as good as either Memphis or Houston.

Golden State got lucky avoiding the Spurs and Clippers

JLeBeau76
05-28-2015, 10:00 PM
Go talk to him over there. You show up anyway with your vbookie nonsense.





As far as the series goes, I'd love for LeBron to shut the haters up again but I just don't see the Warriors not winning. At the beginning of the year I thought/posted it was Cavs/Spurs. Half way through I thought/posted it would be Warriors/Cavs and I have the Spurs a chance again right at the end if the season. It was just inevitable with LeBron and how stacked the Warriors are withbthe MVP to boot. And as long as those face up screens aren't called, Steph will be open all series. And Klay played pretty crappy most of the Houston series so if he shows up, those threes will be falling. Also, Klay won't be getting burned by a top 2 guard all game.



Warriors in 5 or 6.


are you trying to say that notorious playoff choker Harden is a top 2 guard all time?

Saddletramp
05-28-2015, 10:13 PM
are you trying to say that notorious playoff choker Harden is a top 2 guard all time?




No, of course I'm not saying that. Harden is the best shooting guard in the league today and he was burning Klay most of that series. Also, I don't think he's still a playoff choker. He has a bad game now and then, sure, but he shed that label with his performances this year.

FlashBolt
05-28-2015, 10:14 PM
are you trying to say that notorious playoff choker Harden is a top 2 guard all time?

Pretty sure he meant Harden is the best two guard right now.

More-Than-Most
05-28-2015, 10:18 PM
Warriors in 5. They are too stacked.

Iron24th
05-28-2015, 10:21 PM
Warriors in 6.

JLeBeau76
05-28-2015, 10:28 PM
No, of course I'm not saying that. Harden is the best shooting guard in the league today and he was burning Klay most of that series. Also, I don't think he's still a playoff choker. He has a bad game now and then, sure, but he shed that label with his performances this year.


ok, was like wtf, lol. Eh, i like Harden and I will freely admit I haven't watched alot of his games this year, but his widely acknowledged defensive deficiencies turn me off on him.

Also, the 13 turnovers in a closeout game, well, kinda rakes alot away from the good he showed this postseason, for me.

Saddletramp
05-28-2015, 10:31 PM
ok, was like wtf, lol. Eh, i like Harden and I will freely admit I haven't watched alot of his games this year, but his widely acknowledged defensive deficiencies turn me off on him.

Also, the 13 turnovers in a closeout game, well, kinda rakes alot away from the good he showed this postseason, for me.

He definitely **** the bed a time or two (or three) but he's still the reason they gottowheretheygot....... Ahhhh, who cares. This is about the Cavs and Warriors. I'm just hoping for a good series with close games and hopefully there's 6 or 7 of them.

brandt
05-28-2015, 10:32 PM
Warriors win in no more than 6 games. They are just too good and their regular season record shows that. If the Cavs had Love then they could probably take it to 7, but I still don't know if they would win. Curry is the MVP for a reason.

JLeBeau76
05-28-2015, 10:33 PM
Wonder how long the Thompson concussion keeps him out. Mike Miller had one in December that kept him out for seven games before he was cleared.

Hope it isn't long for Thompson because win or lose, I want Golden State at their healthiest. #noexcuses

brandt
05-28-2015, 10:36 PM
He definitely **** the bed a time or two (or three) but he's still the reason they gottowheretheygot....... Ahhhh, who cares. This is about the Cavs and Warriors. I'm just hoping for a good series with close games and hopefully there's 6 or 7 of them.

Just like Curry and Lebron, etc, etc etc, are the reason that their teams got to where they are too. What's your point?

likemystylez
05-28-2015, 10:43 PM
Wonder how long the Thompson concussion keeps him out. Mike Miller had one in December that kept him out for seven games before he was cleared.

Hope it isn't long for Thompson because win or lose, I want Golden State at their healthiest. #noexcuses

ummm klay thompson doesnt have a concussion- its a contusion

likemystylez
05-28-2015, 10:46 PM
are you trying to say that notorious playoff choker Harden is a top 2 guard all time?

is a guy really a choker if he overachieved to get as far as he did- then his team lost to a clearly better team? LOL is anyone who gets knocked out of the playoffs a choker?

LOL- its not like any rational person picked houston to come out of either the clippers or the warriors series.

Vee-Rex
05-28-2015, 10:50 PM
hypocritical much? You cry "disrespect" because people are siting leBron as the reason why the Cavs will win the finals yet turn it around and not give any respect to James by saying Warriors in 4.

Fact is Warriors, though talented and completely capable of winning the Finals, haven't looked like world beaters this postseason. They are beatable.

And before we get into the East/West thing, it my opinion that both the Bulls and the Hawks would have made the postseason in the West. I also believe the Bulls are at least as good as either Memphis or Houston.

Golden State got lucky avoiding the Spurs and Clippers

Warriors have been extremely fortunate.

1. Dodge a potential OKC team in the 1st round with Durant being unable to return from being hurt. End up vs. Pelicans.
2. SA miss he 2nd seed by one game at the end of the year, pitting them against LAC in the first round. SAS could have knocked the Dubs off if they didn't get matched up with LAC first round.
3. Face Memphis in the 2nd round with Conley injured. Although GS still would've won the series, they did benefit from him not playing.
4. Dodge LAC in the WCF who would've most certainly given them a better fight (and could've won) than the Rockets. Rockets are talented, but they still overachieved.
5. All of the above with virtually no injuries.

They haven't exactly ran through an inferno here. They are human lol

JLeBeau76
05-28-2015, 10:51 PM
ummm klay thompson doesnt have a concussion- its a contusion


took a blow to the head that caused headaches and vomiting. Sounds concussion like to me.

The conspiracy theorist in me says that it will continue to publicly not be called a concussion to cover up the fact that the Warriors didn't go through the proper protocols when he first went back.

JLeBeau76
05-28-2015, 10:54 PM
is a guy really a choker if he overachieved to get as far as he did- then his team lost to a clearly better team? LOL is anyone who gets knocked out of the playoffs a choker?



LOL- its not like any rational person picked houston to come out of either the clippers or the warriors series.


The Rockets had enough talent to win it all. They just lack the proper type of on court leadership, imo. Harden is a stellar player, he's just not a great leader (again, imo)

tredigs
05-28-2015, 10:55 PM
ummm klay thompson doesnt have a concussion- its a contusion

It was a concussion. He started experiencing "concussion like symptoms" that were diagnosed immediately after the game. He began throwing up and could not drive home.

Don't make this all about your little "GS players milking injuries" mantra when you clearly don't know what you're talking about.

likemystylez
05-28-2015, 10:56 PM
Warriors have been extremely fortunate.

1. Dodge a potential OKC team in the 1st round with Durant being unable to return from being hurt. End up vs. Pelicans.
2. SA miss he 2nd seed by one game at the end of the year, pitting them against LAC in the first round. SAS could have knocked the Dubs off if they didn't get matched up with LAC first round.
3. Face Memphis in the 2nd round with Conley injured. Although GS still would've won the series, they did benefit from him not playing.
4. Dodge LAC in the WCF who would've most certainly given them a better fight (and could've won) than the Rockets. Rockets are talented, but they still overachieved.
5. All of the above with virtually no injuries.

They haven't exactly ran through an inferno here. They are human lol

As a warriors fan- I agree with all of this.

It makes me feel with everything inside me that they need to capitalize on this and win a ring, as youve mentioned- considering the historical strength of the western conference this year- Golden State has gotten enough breaks to win a championship.

The odds of them being this fortunate again are not very good.


In fairness though- anybody trying to make an argument for the cavs- stop right there. Warriors still won 67 games in the west this year with double digit point differential and they sat their starters half the time in the 4th quarter. Thats far more impressive than anything any team from the east has done in the last 10 yrs.

likemystylez
05-28-2015, 10:58 PM
It was a concussion. He started experiencing "concussion like symptoms" that were diagnosed immediately after the game. He began throwing up and could not drive home.

Don't make this all about your little "GS players milking injuries" mantra when you clearly don't know what you're talking about.

it was reported today by several outlets that he didnt have a concussion, and he had a contusion

likemystylez
05-28-2015, 11:00 PM
The Rockets had enough talent to win it all. They just lack the proper type of on court leadership, imo. Harden is a stellar player, he's just not a great leader (again, imo)

well they werent favored against the clippers or warriors. Warriors were literally favored in every single game of the series even in houston.

Losing to the warriors doesnt make harden a choker- if the warriors went down to a team they beat 4 times during the season by an average of 15 points..... LOL it woulda been the warriors who choked.

Or are you claiming that any team that loses int he playoffs is a choker?

Vee-Rex
05-28-2015, 11:01 PM
Yeah I think this "because LeBron" **** is silly. He's been pretty meh in the playoffs. Terrible shooting and high turnovers. We can pack the paint against him unless he raises that 18% on 3s in the playoffs. I expect Dellevadova to try and hurt the Splash Bros just like Trevor Ariza.

That's the point... he HAS been pretty meh statistically in the playoffs. 42FG% and 4.5 TO per game. Both definitely influenced by having a USG% 36.4 (leading the playoffs), and having Jimmy Buckets guard him virtually every play of the Bulls series.

YET, the Cavs are 12-2 AND have the better defense in the playoffs, the better offense in the playoffs, MUCH better rebounding, and less turnovers than GS.

Dude isn't shooting well and still has his team (statistically) as the best in the playoffs. That means he DOES have an impact greater than just his poor shooting and high turnovers. What happens if he finds his shot against GS? What happens if Kyrie Irving comes back virtually healthy and LBJ finds his shot?

I'm cool with people taking GS, but it's certainly disrespect to claim GS will sweep the Cavs or beat them in 5.

It's gonna be a looooooong week. But it'll be a quiet offseason if the Cavs win this thing with virtually 80% of PSD saying GS will obliterate them.

Vee-Rex
05-28-2015, 11:02 PM
As a warriors fan- I agree with all of this.

It makes me feel with everything inside me that they need to capitalize on this and win a ring, as youve mentioned- considering the historical strength of the western conference this year- Golden State has gotten enough breaks to win a championship.

The odds of them being this fortunate again are not very good.


In fairness though- anybody trying to make an argument for the cavs- stop right there. Warriors still won 67 games in the west this year with double digit point differential and they sat their starters half the time in the 4th quarter. Thats far more impressive than anything any team from the east has done in the last 10 yrs.

Warriors are definitely the better team. My point is that they still haven't won the ring yet, like the people implying with these "warriors in 4/5' statements.

tredigs
05-28-2015, 11:04 PM
it was reported today by several outlets that he didnt have a concussion, and he had a contusion

Oh, interesting. Care to share? Because the initial diagnosis was contusion, then they realized it was more than that when he began to get dizzy, threw up, and could not drive home on his own accord (not in his own accord... I'm sure he drives a much nicer vehicle). Those are the reports I've been seeing since last night. Maybe the others just watched the game and did not due post-game research.

Why do you imagine he is going through concussion tests/protocol for a bruise?

likemystylez
05-28-2015, 11:09 PM
Oh, interesting. Care to share? Because the initial diagnosis was contusion, then they realized it was more than that when he began to get dizzy, threw up, and could not drive home on his own accord (not in his own accord... I'm sure he drives a much nicer vehicle). Those are the reports I've been seeing since last night. Maybe the others just watched the game and did not due post-game research.

Why do you imagine he is going through concussion tests/protocol for a bruise?

according to sam amick- klay thompson passed the concussion tests today and has been cleared. I'll trust doctors performing the test over hearing rumors from people about him being dizzy after the game.

seems weird though- warriors manage to hurt their heads in either situation- if they jump for a pump fake they hurt their head, LOL if they give the pump fake- they still find a way to be the one with a hurt head....


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2407204-klay-thompson-injury-updates-on-warriors-stars-ear-and-return

tredigs
05-28-2015, 11:14 PM
according to sam amick- klay thompson passed the concussion tests today and has been cleared. I'll trust doctors performing the test over hearing rumors from people about him being dizzy after the game.

seems weird though- warriors manage to hurt their heads in either situation- if they jump for a pump fake they hurt their head, LOL if they give the pump fake- they still find a way to be the one with a hurt head....


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2407204-klay-thompson-injury-updates-on-warriors-stars-ear-and-return

Interesting. Passing the tests sounds different than re-diagnosis of the initial event, but who knows, I am not a doctor. These "2nd hand reports about him being dizzy" that you don't trust were from his father stating on National TV today that Klay was throwing up after the game and could not drive.

Either way, great news that he's passing the tests. Now he'll just have to be cleared by another neurologist and the league will let him resume activities.

As to your last point... you just sound pathetic.

MygirlhatesCod
05-28-2015, 11:37 PM
im hopefull d lee gets some minutes this series. Hopefully he gets them from barbosa. I see lee's help on the boards as a better contribution.

Chronz
05-28-2015, 11:44 PM
Łol. On his own Accord

Saddletramp
05-29-2015, 12:08 AM
Just like Curry and Lebron, etc, etc etc, are the reason that their teams got to where they are too. What's your point?

Slow down there, chief. I'm just saying that crappy defense or not, Harden drove them to the WCF and in some games was the only reason they won. He didn't have the luxury of having a healthy stacked team helping and he's not the best player in the world that took a few weeks off mid season or last off season (and yes I know LeBron has played his fair share of basketball the past few years). Harden got run to the ground, so a couple of poor performances or some weak D are excusable considering what he did for that team.

Saddletramp
05-29-2015, 12:09 AM
And now I'm just pictured a loopy Klay Thompson on top of an Accord going home. "You're doing it wrong, Klay!"

ThaDubs
05-29-2015, 12:20 AM
That's the point... he HAS been pretty meh statistically in the playoffs. 42FG% and 4.5 TO per game. Both definitely influenced by having a USG% 36.4 (leading the playoffs), and having Jimmy Buckets guard him virtually every play of the Bulls series.

YET, the Cavs are 12-2 AND have the better defense in the playoffs, the better offense in the playoffs, MUCH better rebounding, and less turnovers than GS.

Dude isn't shooting well and still has his team (statistically) as the best in the playoffs. That means he DOES have an impact greater than just his poor shooting and high turnovers. What happens if he finds his shot against GS? What happens if Kyrie Irving comes back virtually healthy and LBJ finds his shot?

I'm cool with people taking GS, but it's certainly disrespect to claim GS will sweep the Cavs or beat them in 5.

It's gonna be a looooooong week. But it'll be a quiet offseason if the Cavs win this thing with virtually 80% of PSD saying GS will obliterate them.

Lmao of course the Cavs have the best record and (skewed) stats in the off-season. Look at who they've had to play... the ****ing Celtics, a Bulls team without their best player, and the pretender Hawks with multiple injured players. You guys are averaging 1 more rebound per game than us against your absolutely weak competition by the way, not "MUCH" better. 12-3 against the mostly healthy Pelicans, Grizzlies, and Rockets is far more impressive than 12-2 against the Celtics, and very unhealthy Bulls and Hawks. Warriors in 6 but I wouldn't be surprised with any outcome.

kingkenny01
05-29-2015, 12:41 AM
Warriors in 5, Vegas has that as the favorite series prediction with warriors in seven as second.

Bruno
05-29-2015, 12:45 AM
if we didn't already have prescedence of LeBron losing against a superior overall team with a DPOY caliber player on their roster, I'd go with LBJ because I usually go with the team that has the best player in the series.

But Golden State has everything San Antonio had. Shooting, ball movement, passing, and a DPOY wing who can body LeBron.

Hate betting against the best player in the series, but give me Golden State in six. Curry is also close to being the best player in the league, so it makes it an even safer bet.

nastynice
05-29-2015, 12:48 AM
I'm def a little surprised by how heavily the warriors seem to be favorites. I think its going to be a really tough close series. I'm not sure when exactly this happened, but it almost seems people forgot what exactly lebron is capable of, and just how good the in season acquisitions of smith, mozgov, and shump were.

Since mid way thru the season, basically after lebrons mini vacay, lol, I think they've been as good as any team in the league.

Nikeman
05-29-2015, 12:48 AM
Lmao of course the Cavs have the best record and (skewed) stats in the off-season. Look at who they've had to play... the ****ing Celtics, a Bulls team without their best player, and the pretender Hawks with multiple injured players. You guys are averaging 1 more rebound per game than us against your absolutely weak competition by the way, not "MUCH" better. 12-3 against the mostly healthy Pelicans, Grizzlies, and Rockets is far more impressive than 12-2 against the Celtics, and very unhealthy Bulls and Hawks. Warriors in 6 but I wouldn't be surprised with any outcome.

Uhm who's the best Bulls player?

Bruno
05-29-2015, 12:59 AM
I'm def a little surprised by how heavily the warriors seem to be favorites. I think its going to be a really tough close series. I'm not sure when exactly this happened, but it almost seems people forgot what exactly lebron is capable of, and just how good the in season acquisitions of smith, mozgov, and shump were.

Since mid way thru the season, basically after lebrons mini vacay, lol, I think they've been as good as any team in the league.

In vegas GS has 5/12 odds and Cleveland has 2/1.

if love wasn't out and Kyrie wasn't injured we wouldn't be talking about all this under dog stuff quite as much.

BKLYNpigeon
05-29-2015, 01:01 AM
sure, the Cavs been playing good, but they have been playing some inferior teams in the East Playoffs.

lol, please
05-29-2015, 01:01 AM
In vegas GS has 5/12 odds and Cleveland has 2/1.

if love wasn't out and Kyrie wasn't injured we wouldn't be talking about all this under dog stuff quite as much.
The only difference it will truly make is that the Cavaliers will have no excuses.

Lebron won't have an answer for Draymond Green.

ThaDubs
05-29-2015, 01:20 AM
Uhm who's the best Bulls player?

Pau Gasol and Jimmy Butler are 1A and 1B. Did you see the Bulls splits with him and without him in the playoffs?

ThaDubs
05-29-2015, 02:21 AM
Do yourselves all a favor and go look at Steph profile pic on instagram

goingfor28
05-29-2015, 02:35 AM
LeBron will win any one-on-one matchup. If GS doubles him, he'll find the open man. It'll be a great series and likely go 6 or 7 games but I see the Cavs winning. Vs GS I think TT is better suited than Love. I've also always found Love highly overrated (some will agree and some won't) but I think him being out helps this matchup.

JLeBeau76
05-29-2015, 02:35 AM
Lmao of course the Cavs have the best record and (skewed) stats in the off-season. Look at who they've had to play... the ****ing Celtics, a Bulls team without their best player, and the pretender Hawks with multiple injured players. You guys are averaging 1 more rebound per game than us against your absolutely weak competition by the way, not "MUCH" better. 12-3 against the mostly healthy Pelicans, Grizzlies, and Rockets is far more impressive than 12-2 against the Celtics, and very unhealthy Bulls and Hawks. Warriors in 6 but I wouldn't be surprised with any outcome.


I will give you a poor Celtics team. The Bulls however, until Gasol hurt himself, was healthy. Atlanta was missing one reserve in the series until Korver went out (and he was being shut down anyway by shump). Sure Carroll was a little hobbled but the Cavs throttled them minus Kyrie while they were mostly intact.

Now, as I said before both Atlanta and Chicago, imo, would have made the playoffs in the west (I know Atlanta had a pretty good w/l against the west last season) and I would put Chicago right up there with Memphis and Houston.

I'm not buying Golden State made it against vastly "superior" teams when the only round they really had it tougher was on round 1.

goingfor28
05-29-2015, 02:37 AM
The only difference it will truly make is that the Cavaliers will have no excuses.

Lebron won't have an answer for Draymond Green.
Yes bc Draymond will shut him down and then light him up for 30ppg. Cmon. Draymond is a product of the system. He's gonna get paid massively in a couple yrs by some team and they're going to be highly disappointed

JLeBeau76
05-29-2015, 02:39 AM
if we didn't already have prescedence of LeBron losing against a superior overall team with a DPOY caliber player on their roster, I'd go with LBJ because I usually go with the team that has the best player in the series.





But Golden State has everything San Antonio had. Shooting, ball movement, passing, and a DPOY wing who can body LeBron.





Hate betting against the best player in the series, but give me Golden State in six. Curry is also close to being the best player in the league, so it makes it an even safer bet.



golden state doesn't have Pop, Tim Duncan or over a decade of perfecting their O and D



Golden State has a legit shot here, LEGIT, but its not going to be easy, not buy a long shot.

PowerHouse
05-29-2015, 03:17 AM
I really don't like the Warriors because a lot of their fans are also Giant fans but on the other side the Cavs have Lebron...so..

GO WARRIORS!!!!!!

ThaDubs
05-29-2015, 03:37 AM
I will give you a poor Celtics team. The Bulls however, until Gasol hurt himself, was healthy. Atlanta was missing one reserve in the series until Korver went out (and he was being shut down anyway by shump). Sure Carroll was a little hobbled but the Cavs throttled them minus Kyrie while they were mostly intact.

Now, as I said before both Atlanta and Chicago, imo, would have made the playoffs in the west (I know Atlanta had a pretty good w/l against the west last season) and I would put Chicago right up there with Memphis and Houston.

I'm not buying Golden State made it against vastly "superior" teams when the only round they really had it tougher was on round 1.

Let's just say they wouldn't be 12-2 if they faced healthy squads... and sorry but the Grizzlies are really a far better team than the Bulls. Especially when Gasol isn't in there. I swear the series was tied when he went down

ThunderRoad75
05-29-2015, 03:39 AM
I really don't like the Warriors because a lot of their fans are also Giant fans but on the other side the Cavs have Lebron...so..

GO WARRIORS!!!!!!

so why even watch?

koreancabbage
05-29-2015, 08:37 AM
JR Smith and Shumpert going to have to have their hands full guarding the splash brothers. Hopefully their offense can keep the splash brothers honest in their own defense.

will draymond green 'shut down' Lebron, he seems like he is the most likely candidate to do so. He's def more suited to guard a player like Lebron than, for example, Butler or Carrol

Vee-Rex
05-29-2015, 09:27 AM
Draymond Green shutting down LeBron? Oh wow, sooo many misinformed people. DPOY candidate? When does that exactly make him good at guarding LeBron? When has he ever been good at guarding LeBron in his whole career?

FG% 3P% FT% TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
LeBron James .564 .400 .706 7.8 6.8 1.4 0.4 4.2 1.6 32.0
Draymond Green .486 .143 .692 7.4 2.4 2.6 0.8 1.8 3.2 8.8

LeBron put up 42 points on a combination of Barnes, Draymond, and Iggy. He got to the paint at will, shooting 80% (8/10) at anything within 10ft of the basket. Interestingly enough, I took a look at his numbers in every game he has played vs Green (with the Heat), and he puts up similar numbers against Green/Golden State.

Where was this super defense from Green? Where was Bogut's rim protection? Take a look at LBJ's numbers against Butler/Leonard and you'll see a difference.

Green cannot guard Bron. He has the size in terms of meat, but his fatness makes him too slow to keep up with LeBron's first step. That first step kills him every time. GS has not had an answer for LeBron. Why is that gonna change now? Does it mean GS won't win? Absolutely not. They're the favorites because they're the better team. But this 'Draymond owns LeBron' nonsense is... nonsense lol.

Yanks All Day
05-29-2015, 09:35 AM
JR Smith and Shumpert going to have to have their hands full guarding the splash brothers. Hopefully their offense can keep the splash brothers honest in their own defense.

will draymond green 'shut down' Lebron, he seems like he is the most likely candidate to do so. He's def more suited to guard a player like Lebron than, for example, Butler or Carrol

Jimmy Butler and Kawhi Leonard are the two best LeBron guarders in the entire NBA. They might be the only 2 guys that can guard him 1-on-1. But Demarre Carroll certainly belongs in that conversation when he's healthy. It was impressive seeing him try on 1 leg when most players wouldn't have even played, let alone check the best player in the world. Draymond Green is certainly a great defender, but he's not proven against LBJ in the slightest yet. In fact, the last time he tried, he got absolutely torched.

The strategy to beating teams like Miami of the last 4 years and this year's Cleveland squad starts with having someone who can check LeBron 1-on-1. Butler and Leonard are successful because they move extremely well and have active hands to poke the ball away without fouling. LeBron has a tough time getting around them, so help defense isn't necessary. THAT'S where Cleveland is a killer. The second someone comes over to help, LeBron makes the right pass, the ball swings around, and someone has a wide open 3. With the Spurs, Kawhi checked LeBron, he used up more shot clock, and then when he passed it away his teammates didn't have wide open shots and had to create for themselves.

Can Draymond do that? It's entirely possible. He just hasn't proven that yet at all. He's great against 3s because he's pretty athletic for a guy his size and succeeds against 4s because he's really physical at the same time. The problem here is that he isn't as athletic or as physical as LeBron James. The question is: can he hold his own without help? That's going to be the key this series. If he can, Golden State has a great chance of winning. If he can't, Cleveland can and will hit those wide open shots and win the series.

likemystylez
05-29-2015, 09:36 AM
I'm def a little surprised by how heavily the warriors seem to be favorites. I think its going to be a really tough close series. I'm not sure when exactly this happened, but it almost seems people forgot what exactly lebron is capable of, and just how good the in season acquisitions of smith, mozgov, and shump were.

Since mid way thru the season, basically after lebrons mini vacay, lol, I think they've been as good as any team in the league.

whats clev gonna do when lebron needs to sit down? can the cavs without lebron even compete with the warriors second string?

I am worried that delly will take out one of our guards for the series- that seems to be his thing in each and every series this year.LOL cavs fans say he is just hustling- but he seems to be the one player whos looking for any chance he gets to jump into guys legs which is probably even worse than running under someone when they shoot

Goose17
05-29-2015, 10:20 AM
I like how people think the Warriors are just going to put one guy on LeBron and let the King isolate.

Pmsl. Just because the cavs entire offense is isolation plays doesn't mean the Warriors are just going to sit back and roll with it.

Team defense. That's what will slow down LeBron.

But let's not pretend ANYONE can shut that man down. He's a monster. And even if he goes off all the Dubs need to do is effect everyone else. Let LeBron get his 30 points. Won't matter if Kyrie is shooting 30% and the other shooters aren't making shots.

Goose17
05-29-2015, 10:23 AM
Also, product of the system? Give me a break. Green is a beast. Does he excel in this system? Without a doubt. Name me a player who hasn't. But he's an elite defender, a great hustle player, an improved shooter and above average passer even without this system. The system amplifies his skillset, that skillset still exists away from it though.

koreancabbage
05-29-2015, 10:31 AM
Draymond Green shutting down LeBron? Oh wow, sooo many misinformed people. DPOY candidate? When does that exactly make him good at guarding LeBron? When has he ever been good at guarding LeBron in his whole career?

FG% 3P% FT% TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
LeBron James .564 .400 .706 7.8 6.8 1.4 0.4 4.2 1.6 32.0
Draymond Green .486 .143 .692 7.4 2.4 2.6 0.8 1.8 3.2 8.8

LeBron put up 42 points on a combination of Barnes, Draymond, and Iggy. He got to the paint at will, shooting 80% (8/10) at anything within 10ft of the basket. Interestingly enough, I took a look at his numbers in every game he has played vs Green (with the Heat), and he puts up similar numbers against Green/Golden State.

Where was this super defense from Green? Where was Bogut's rim protection? Take a look at LBJ's numbers against Butler/Leonard and you'll see a difference.

Green cannot guard Bron. He has the size in terms of meat, but his fatness makes him too slow to keep up with LeBron's first step. That first step kills him every time. GS has not had an answer for LeBron. Why is that gonna change now? Does it mean GS won't win? Absolutely not. They're the favorites because they're the better team. But this 'Draymond owns LeBron' nonsense is... nonsense lol.

'shut down' as in let him have mediocre success with him being an ISO player and denying him the facet of his game which makes him the best player in the league: the ability to get others involved and setting them up with a great opportunities to score and succeed.

Draymond Green is gonna have his hands full but if he makes Lebron work hard for every play, we've seen Lebron cramp up by overworking - its very possible Green can turn it up with so much on the line i.e. a championship

koreancabbage
05-29-2015, 10:33 AM
Jimmy Butler and Kawhi Leonard are the two best LeBron guarders in the entire NBA. They might be the only 2 guys that can guard him 1-on-1. But Demarre Carroll certainly belongs in that conversation when he's healthy. It was impressive seeing him try on 1 leg when most players wouldn't have even played, let alone check the best player in the world. Draymond Green is certainly a great defender, but he's not proven against LBJ in the slightest yet. In fact, the last time he tried, he got absolutely torched.

The strategy to beating teams like Miami of the last 4 years and this year's Cleveland squad starts with having someone who can check LeBron 1-on-1. Butler and Leonard are successful because they move extremely well and have active hands to poke the ball away without fouling. LeBron has a tough time getting around them, so help defense isn't necessary. THAT'S where Cleveland is a killer. The second someone comes over to help, LeBron makes the right pass, the ball swings around, and someone has a wide open 3. With the Spurs, Kawhi checked LeBron, he used up more shot clock, and then when he passed it away his teammates didn't have wide open shots and had to create for themselves.

Can Draymond do that? It's entirely possible. He just hasn't proven that yet at all. He's great against 3s because he's pretty athletic for a guy his size and succeeds against 4s because he's really physical at the same time. The problem here is that he isn't as athletic or as physical as LeBron James. The question is: can he hold his own without help? That's going to be the key this series. If he can, Golden State has a great chance of winning. If he can't, Cleveland can and will hit those wide open shots and win the series.

It will depend on how the Warriors will play him. they will watch the gametape from the SA-Heat Finals and see what the defensive scheme Pops used on Lebron.

Its not about stopping him but slowing him down and limiting his choices on what he can do on the court.

Greet
05-29-2015, 11:52 AM
Draymond Green will not be guarding LeBron. It will be Barnes/Iguodala plus a nice dose of double teams.

Green is the Warriors best rebounder, and putting him on the perimeter against LeBron would not be good for Golden State considering Thompson and Mozgov have been two of the best offensive rebounders during these playoffs and that would put way too much stress on Bogut to get rebounds and also stay out of foul trouble.

THE MTL
05-29-2015, 12:30 PM
I just have a feeling Cavs going to take it.

GeronimoSon
05-29-2015, 12:50 PM
The Warriors have three primary strengths..

# 1 is Warriors defense.. they get after it.. they disrupt passing lanes..they create turnovers to points.. This is where they "butter their bread" Ball security is the # 1 priority for when the Cavs have the ball.. (the Cavs are going to put the ball in the hole provided they don't give it away).

# 2 is the Warriors rebounding.. they are as good (but not better) at getting to virtually EVERY 50/50 ball. They use their speed & quickness to get to loose balls and boards. They are particularly effective on the offensive glass (just like the Cavs are with TT).. When the Cavs lose a rebounding battle, it's usually by a small margin. The Warriors are the same way.. This part of the game is all about who wants it most..

# 3 is the Warriors shooting.. they can fill it up.. Someone mentioned Shump on Curry..that would be fine. When you look at the way Curry gets his offense.. it's usually running off screens.. both baseline & at the top of the key.. Switching a pick has to be immediate and/or anticipated.. Curry is going to get his points, regardless. Making him earn them.. will be the key..

First Game is now a week away.. If the Cavs can silence the Oracle Arena with their extremely tough defense.. this series will go deep... We'll see...

RaiderLakersA's
05-29-2015, 12:54 PM
It's not often that you find a team with enough quality defenders to cover 1 superstar, let alone 2. The Warriors have that in spades. They can guard both LeBron and Irving in waves. The Cavs will exhaust themselves: first, trying to score against that energetic defense, and second by trying to defend GW's extremely dynamic and gifted scorers. Something's gotta give. I'm betting it will be the Cavs. Warriors in 6.

Chromehounds
05-29-2015, 01:17 PM
No single player on the W's can D LeRun 1v1, there are probably one or two guys in the whole league that can do so. Just forget the notion of stopping LeRun, you can only hope to contain him. My guess is the self-appointed King will try to move the ball at the start of the game, he will then fall back to the isolation bball, ask Harden how that went for him in game 5. We will see a heavy load of double and/or triple team on LeRun.

4 more wins 'til the Broadway Parade! :win:

Scoots
05-29-2015, 01:25 PM
LeBron is going to have a rotation of defenders with Barnes probably starting on him. I have no doubt LeBron will dominate on occasion ... the question is can he keep it up for 7 games (if it goes that long)? Green can defend LeBron and defend him well, but LeBron has tools to take down any individual defender so there will be doubles inside and digs when he turns his back to the basket.

LeBron will get his, the question is will the Warriors get theirs AND be able to stop the other Cavs.

I think it will be a good series and I think the Cavs are a bit over-rated as a TEAM ... and I expect the Warriors will win.

Wrigheyes4MVP
05-29-2015, 01:33 PM
Warriors in 6

Scoots
05-29-2015, 01:38 PM
If the Warriors go small how do the Cavs match up?

Chronz
05-29-2015, 01:38 PM
brons been posting up, dre will snuff that out. bron better find his range or this one wont b competitive

Goose17
05-29-2015, 01:43 PM
If the Warriors go small how do the Cavs match up?

Bron at the 5? Haha. Could be fun.

NYKnickFanatic
05-29-2015, 01:43 PM
I know the Warriors are the favorite, but I just have a feeling Cleveland is going to win in 6.

If it goes 7, Warriors will win.

NYKnickFanatic
05-29-2015, 01:45 PM
Bron at the 5? Haha. Could be fun.

He did play some 5 vs the Hawks.

I could see the Cavs looking like this:

Kyrie
JR
Shump
Jones?
LBJ

Chromehounds
05-29-2015, 02:49 PM
The W's switches almost every time at the D end, top of the key screens will be heavy in this one. Not sure why the Rockets didn't do much of that.
I also see heavy motions from the W's, make Bron run, he'll start hoisting 18 footers later in the game. I'm guessing a close series with the W's winning in 6 or 7. Curry and Klay both have to be healthy though, Curry is definitely not. He looks a couple of steps slower in the Houston close out game, anyone says otherwise is lying to themselves.

ThaDubs
05-29-2015, 03:04 PM
Klay has a concussion... no timetable for his return. What the ****, didn't his ******** agent just say he doesn't have a concussion yesterday?

Bostonjorge
05-29-2015, 03:14 PM
Klay not cleared to play.

IKnowHoops
05-29-2015, 03:22 PM
Curry is a better playmaker, and we could debate over who is the better scorer for days when you take minutes, overall efficiency, and usage rate into account. What Curry did against elite point guards this year defensively is amazing. Curry's PER and WS/48 are both quite superior to peak Bird and peak Barkley, and his metric stats compete with the rest of the guys you mentioned.

Wrong.
PER
1. Barkley 28.93
2. Steph 27.98
3. Bird 27.77

Barkley's best PER is better, and there is nothing "quite" about Steph's PER superiority over Bird.

numba1CHANGsta
05-29-2015, 03:22 PM
Klay has a concussion... no timetable for his return. What the ****, didn't his ******** agent just say he doesn't have a concussion yesterday?

You should know by now that the league will always find a way to give LeBron an easy path to the championship. Knowing the NBA and their love for LeBron, expect Klay to not be "cleared" until Game 3 when it's at CLE after CLE taking one on the road.

ThaDubs
05-29-2015, 03:28 PM
Wrong.
PER
1. Barkley 28.93
2. Steph 27.98
3. Bird 27.77

Barkley's best PER is better, and there is nothing "quite" about Steph's PER superiority over Bird.

I skimmed through BBR quickly and since that year wasn't bolded and was out of his athletic peak I didn't catch it, my B. Steph was still superior to him in both PER and WS/48 though, in my opinion two of the best advanced stats out there. And you could still make a case for Curry > Chuck in terms of peak production. It's certainly close.

IKnowHoops
05-29-2015, 03:32 PM
It's simple.

There are two ways you can guard LeBron.

1. One on One
2. Double team/collapse on him when he drives in the paint

Because Golden State has no one that can guard him like Butler/Leonard, they'll have to use some combination of both. This automatically creates defensive problems since LeBron is incredible at finding open teammates.

There is no magical formula. No new, undiscovered way to defend LeBron. The Celtics in 2008 under Thibodeau played terrific team defense (which centered around collapsing the paint and intense rotations), but since then LeBron's BBIQ has grown and it showed when he still managed to be effective though shooting poorly against Jimmy Buckets and Thibodeau's defense this year.

LeBron has seen it all and has arguably the highest BBIQ in the game today. I don't think any of the Warriors players will defend him better than Demarre Carroll did. The Hawks, having tried to guard him 1-on-1, saw they couldn't really stop his onslaught in the paint, immediately started to collapsed. From there on, LeBron's presence destroyed any hopes of them trying to defend one-on-one for the most part.

It's soooooo hard to just LET him get his and try to contain the others. Only a Gregg Popovich-disciplined team (with Kawhi Leonard) has been able to do that in recent years. Why?

Because he can make tough shots look easy. You can be disciplined and defend him well 1-on-1 and he still makes an easy-looking layup. Then the next time he pops a jump shot. Then after that, he drives in for another easy layup. Then, while he's posting up... the defense panics and collapses/doubles and there goes LeBron, kicking it out to endless shooters on the perimeter.

I don't think people realize how difficult it is to guard a LeBron led team that is literally built to maximize his strengths. Thibodeau is one of the best defensive minds in the game, AND he had Jimmy Butler who is top 2 in the NBA in guarding Bron, and despite that they still struggled to stop LeBron's offense (not talking about him, but the system built for him).

It's easy to look at the game and play armchair commander and say, "Oh Thibs sucks. Bulls suck. Coach Bud sucks, he's collapsing too hard on Bron. He shouldn't do that."

It's a chessmatch out there. You can have the perfect defense set up and LBJ is just one second too fast for the help, or the defender just didn't get quite enough push, or the rotation is a second too slow. The game is really more complex than it may look.

GS obviously is a billion times better offensively than the Bulls, but if you don't really have the tools to defend LeBron then I highly highly doubt a team could sweep him or 5-game him. Many appear to think it'll be easy for GS. This is gonna be a tough series for both teams.

Best coach, with best defensive game plan, with Tim Duncan in the middle, and the best one on one defender in th NBA and still averaged like 28/7/7 on 57%. And they did slow him down, but thats the best your gonna get. Bron is averaging like 30/10/8 in the playoffs. He's an animal. Dubs may be the easiest defense he's faced in the entire playoffs when it comes to his own personal matchup.

ThaDubs
05-29-2015, 03:38 PM
Bruh **** Trevor Ariza... mad he ain't going to the Finals so he feels the need to give Klay a concussion... and Dwight trynna hurt Iggy... man that's annoying as ****

lol, please
05-29-2015, 03:40 PM
Best coach, with best defensive game plan, with Tim Duncan in the middle, and the best one on one defender in th NBA and still averaged like 28/7/7 on 57%. And they did slow him down, but thats the best your gonna get. Bron is averaging like 30/10/8 in the playoffs. He's an animal. Dubs may be the easiest defense he's faced in the entire playoffs when it comes to his own personal matchup.
Problem is the personal matchup is irelevant because we switch defenders so often and there will always be a second man like Bogut in the paint waiting to send him away if he gets by Barnes, Green, or Iggy.

IKnowHoops
05-29-2015, 03:40 PM
The fact people are trying to hold on to the narrative that the cavs will give the dubs trouble "because lebron" is laughable and makes it painfully clear those people aren't giving the warriors their due respect. One of the most dominant seasons in history but cavs in 5, and the only reason is "lebron". A 5 year old esque argument if I've ever heard one. Nevermind that the warriors are better at every facet of the game. I can't wait to see the looks on faces of people who really think he's that impactful that he's going to do anything other than watch in disgust as his team gets not only routed, they get embarrassed on a national level.

Dubs in 4.

Can't wait to revisit all of this. I'm glad you put yourself as far out there as I have. I got Cavs in 5 so one of us is going to look like we don't know hoops. Respect for you that you stepped up though and aren't straddling the fence at all with your opinion. Hey, no excuses though, barring injury to Steph or Bron of course.

Vee-Rex
05-29-2015, 03:46 PM
I'll love to see GS play help/team defense. I'm hoping for it. That's how LBJ's offensive system starts to click. His offensive system stalls when you have a defender capable of defending him well with extremely limited help. Because then he doesn't have any open shooters to kick it out to. This is what Popovich did and unfortunately every other team in the NBA can't duplicate it because they don't have Kawhi Leonard (or Jimmy Butler).

I understand people want GS to win... extremely likable team. No one hates Curry. But the above ^^^ is maddeningly difficult to stop.

Much like how the Stockton/Malone pick-n-roll was so simple yet insanely difficult to defend, similar is LBJ's offensive system. It goes without saying the Cavs will have their hands full... but this won't be a cakewalk for the Dubs either lol.

L8kers4life
05-29-2015, 04:02 PM
Cavs in 6, too much LeBron, Golden States inexperience will be there down fall....

IKnowHoops
05-29-2015, 04:05 PM
The only difference it will truly make is that the Cavaliers will have no excuses.

Lebron won't have an answer for Draymond Green.

LOL this is funny, Bron could shut Draymond down for the series if he guards him. Easy work.

IKnowHoops
05-29-2015, 04:24 PM
You should know by now that the league will always find a way to give LeBron an easy path to the championship. Knowing the NBA and their love for LeBron, expect Klay to not be "cleared" until Game 3 when it's at CLE after CLE taking one on the road.

Hahahaaha...your narrative is more consistent than your sig.

IKnowHoops
05-29-2015, 04:29 PM
Problem is the personal matchup is irelevant because we switch defenders so often and there will always be a second man like Bogut in the paint waiting to send him away if he gets by Barnes, Green, or Iggy.

Man you just are ignorant on the subject of Lebron. Lebron has been facing his man, a second man, and a big man waiting for him in the paint for 10 years now. Its nothing to him. GS defense is going to get handled by Bron. HANDLED!!!!

Vee-Rex
05-29-2015, 04:30 PM
If the Warriors go small how do the Cavs match up?

Cavs two major small lineups:

1. Thompson/Bron/Shumpert/Smith/Irving (or Delly)
2. Thompson/Jones/Bron/Shumpert (or Smith)/Irving (or Delly)

The Thompson lineups are scary effective. Thompson does a terrific job guarding big and small men. His defense on Derrick Rose was quite impressive, so I'm sure the Cavs won't hesitate to switch Thompson on defense. If he starts getting killed, we'll see if Blatt can make an adjustment.

Edit: I like Blatt's rotations for the most part. I'd like him to bring in Mozgov end-game every now and then when we need it, but that's mostly it.

koreancabbage
05-29-2015, 04:33 PM
Thompson will be like Terrence Jones guarding Curry. highly ineffective.

Vee-Rex
05-29-2015, 04:38 PM
Thompson will be like Terrence Jones guarding Curry. highly ineffective.

Most likely. I don't see him doing well at all against Curry.

I'm hoping Irving is mostly healthy so that he'll make Curry work hard on the other end. Curry hasn't played a top-level offensive point guard all playoffs.

FlashBolt
05-29-2015, 04:46 PM
Let's be honest here.. Kyrie at 100% will give Curry problems. I don't care how you twist it but Kyrie is just as good as Curry offensively. If he is somewhat able to light it up, Curry will have to guard Kyrie just as much as the other way around.

bgdreton
05-29-2015, 04:47 PM
If the Warriors go small how do the Cavs match up?

Cavs two major small lineups:

1. Thompson/Bron/Shumpert/Smith/Irving (or Delly)
2. Bron/Jones/Shumpert/Smith/Irving (or Delly)

The Thompson lineup is scary effective. Thompson does a terrific job guarding big and small men. His defense on Derrick Rose was quite impressive, so I'm sure the Cavs won't hesitate to switch Thompson on defense. If he starts getting killed, we'll see if Blatt can make an adjustment.

The one where Bogut is off the floor would be the best way to attack the warriors.

bgdreton
05-29-2015, 04:52 PM
Let's be honest here.. Kyrie at 100% will give Curry problems. I don't care how you twist it but Kyrie is just as good as Curry offensively. If he is somewhat able to light it up, Curry will have to guard Kyrie just as much as the other way around.

Lies kyrie is as talented as Curry offensively yes, not as good no. If that was the case the Cavs should be the favorite easily.

koreancabbage
05-29-2015, 04:53 PM
Most likely. I don't see him doing well at all against Curry.

I'm hoping Irving is mostly healthy so that he'll make Curry work hard on the other end. Curry hasn't played a top-level offensive point guard all playoffs.

ya, Curry >>>>>> Rose. Thompson knows that he can live with Rose taking a jumpshot. Curry, not so much.

bgdreton
05-29-2015, 04:55 PM
Most likely. I don't see him doing well at all against Curry.

I'm hoping Irving is mostly healthy so that he'll make Curry work hard on the other end. Curry hasn't played a top-level offensive point guard all playoffs.

ya, Curry >>>>>> Rose. Thompson knows that he can live with Rose taking a jumpshot. Curry, not so much.
Lol not at all you mean. Zero percent

Chromehounds
05-29-2015, 05:20 PM
It is critical that Klay is cleared for the series, well, 100% cleared. Worst case scenario is to start Iggy, but then no second scorer. Start Barbosa they will blitz/trap Curry like the Clippers did last year, I don't trust Barbosa handling the rock. The X-factor here is Mo-Buckets, the W's will need his mid-range. And can we bring back the ghost of David Lee? ;)

We'll all see how effective the Bron trap is, most of you folks haven't seen the W's much. The W's length and quickness will prove vital, not like your regular arms waving double traps. They go for the ball if you dance in the paint.

Goose17
05-29-2015, 07:02 PM
Let's be honest here.. Kyrie at 100% will give Curry problems. I don't care how you twist it but Kyrie is just as good as Curry offensively. If he is somewhat able to light it up, Curry will have to guard Kyrie just as much as the other way around.

He's nowhere near Steph offensively. Can't even touch him. He's a full tier below.

Goose17
05-29-2015, 07:03 PM
Come to think of this year he's not even close to Steph defensively. Never mind offensively.

Sure Kyrie stepped it up defensively in the playoffs early on but Steph had shown improvement all year. His advanced metrics defensively trumped Chris Paul this year for christ's sake.

Chronz
05-29-2015, 07:11 PM
The one where Bogut is off the floor would be the best way to attack the warriors.

so true. much like it was against the pacers

tredigs
05-29-2015, 08:01 PM
Let's be honest here.. Kyrie at 100% will give Curry problems. I don't care how you twist it but Kyrie is just as good as Curry offensively. If he is somewhat able to light it up, Curry will have to guard Kyrie just as much as the other way around.

Lmfao. You don't watch enough Curry/GS homie. Kyrie's a great offensive talent, not an All Time offensive talent. #'s back that up in droves.

bucketss
05-29-2015, 09:02 PM
ahhhhh im starting to have a basketball withdrawal.

ThaDubs
05-29-2015, 09:05 PM
ahhhhh im starting to have a basketball withdrawal.

God I hate that... like a month after the playoffs and Summer League seems like the most exciting thing ever lmao

ThaDubs
05-29-2015, 09:06 PM
"Kyrie is just as good as Curry offensively"

Uh, less scoring, far less per minute scoring, less assists, lower percentages from the field, 3, and FT line...

Yanks All Day
05-29-2015, 09:24 PM
He's nowhere near Steph offensively. Can't even touch him. He's a full tier below.

I'm sorry... what? Kyrie Irving is as offensively gifted as anyone in the NBA. Steph Curry is a better shooter. He's all-time great with the jumper. Kyrie is better around the rim and in the paint. They're both great mid range.

Steph is 4 years older than Kyrie and is the primary ball handler on a deeper team with more shooters. Kyrie plays the assistant role to LeBron, who is the primary ball handler. Curry SHOULD have a better season. Still:

Kyrie Irving: 75 games, 46.8 fg%, 41.5 3%, 41.9 2pt%, 53.2 efg%, 58.3 TS%, 86.3 ft%, 21.7 ppg, 5.2 apg, 3.2 rpg, 1.5 spg

Steph Curry: 80 games, 48.7 fg%, 44.5 3%, 52.8 2pt%, 59.4 egg%, 63.8 TS%, 91.4 ft%, 23.8 ppg, 7.7 apg, 4.3 rpg, 2.0 spg

Again, Steph Curry is the better player. He's a better shooter. His team is better. He was the MVP. But to say he's a full tier ahead of Kyrie Irving doesn't make sense. Kyrie is absolutely lethal offensively and will make any point guard in the NBA have fits if he's 100%. Maybe that's the extent of Warriors love and Cavs hate that people will go to to discredit a good player. Maybe Kyrie walking around hobbled has people forgetting. But there's only 1 player in the league who dropped 50 twice this year. That's Kyrie Irving. Watch games like what he did against the Spurs in San Antonio and try to say anyone is a full tier ahead of him offensively when he's healthy.

Then again, Golden State needs to hope Kyrie isn't 100%, so it makes sense. If Curry has to work defensively and it takes away from his offensive game at all, that's a serious blow to the Warriors chances. I can see why one might hope Kyrie would be a walk in the park for Steph.

Guppyfighter
05-29-2015, 09:58 PM
I'm sorry... what? Kyrie Irving is as offensively gifted as anyone in the NBA. Steph Curry is a better shooter. He's all-time great with the jumper. Kyrie is better around the rim and in the paint. They're both great mid range.

Steph is 4 years older than Kyrie and is the primary ball handler on a deeper team with more shooters. Kyrie plays the assistant role to LeBron, who is the primary ball handler. Curry SHOULD have a better season. Still:

Kyrie Irving: 75 games, 46.8 fg%, 41.5 3%, 41.9 2pt%, 53.2 efg%, 58.3 TS%, 86.3 ft%, 21.7 ppg, 5.2 apg, 3.2 rpg, 1.5 spg

Steph Curry: 80 games, 48.7 fg%, 44.5 3%, 52.8 2pt%, 59.4 egg%, 63.8 TS%, 91.4 ft%, 23.8 ppg, 7.7 apg, 4.3 rpg, 2.0 spg

Again, Steph Curry is the better player. He's a better shooter. His team is better. He was the MVP. But to say he's a full tier ahead of Kyrie Irving doesn't make sense. Kyrie is absolutely lethal offensively and will make any point guard in the NBA have fits if he's 100%. Maybe that's the extent of Warriors love and Cavs hate that people will go to to discredit a good player. Maybe Kyrie walking around hobbled has people forgetting. But there's only 1 player in the league who dropped 50 twice this year. That's Kyrie Irving. Watch games like what he did against the Spurs in San Antonio and try to say anyone is a full tier ahead of him offensively when he's healthy.

Then again, Golden State needs to hope Kyrie isn't 100%, so it makes sense. If Curry has to work defensively and it takes away from his offensive game at all, that's a serious blow to the Warriors chances. I can see why one might hope Kyrie would be a walk in the park for Steph.

Not to burst your bubble, but Curry finishes 7 percent better around the rim than Kyrie.

So, no, Kyrie isn't close to Curry.

Vee-Rex
05-29-2015, 10:20 PM
No biggie guys.

Steph is legions above Kyrie offensively
Draymond will shut LBJ down and LBJ can't guard him either
Bogut will make everyone who drives in the paint miss
JR will shoot the Cavs out the series
Shumpert will get annihilated trying to defend on the perimeter

If the Cavs win, it'll be because of one of these two reasons:

1. Refs cheated/NBA is rigged
2. Steve Kerr sucks as a coach and cost the series because of his poor coaching and so he should be fired because he did terribly and lost the series for the almighty dubs

PSD logic, folks.

I love being the underdog of a series. :)

ThaDubs
05-29-2015, 11:16 PM
I'm sorry... what? Kyrie Irving is as offensively gifted as anyone in the NBA. Steph Curry is a better shooter. He's all-time great with the jumper. Kyrie is better around the rim and in the paint. They're both great mid range.

Steph is 4 years older than Kyrie and is the primary ball handler on a deeper team with more shooters. Kyrie plays the assistant role to LeBron, who is the primary ball handler. Curry SHOULD have a better season. Still:

Kyrie Irving: 75 games, 46.8 fg%, 41.5 3%, 41.9 2pt%, 53.2 efg%, 58.3 TS%, 86.3 ft%, 21.7 ppg, 5.2 apg, 3.2 rpg, 1.5 spg

Steph Curry: 80 games, 48.7 fg%, 44.5 3%, 52.8 2pt%, 59.4 egg%, 63.8 TS%, 91.4 ft%, 23.8 ppg, 7.7 apg, 4.3 rpg, 2.0 spg

Again, Steph Curry is the better player. He's a better shooter. His team is better. He was the MVP. But to say he's a full tier ahead of Kyrie Irving doesn't make sense. Kyrie is absolutely lethal offensively and will make any point guard in the NBA have fits if he's 100%. Maybe that's the extent of Warriors love and Cavs hate that people will go to to discredit a good player. Maybe Kyrie walking around hobbled has people forgetting. But there's only 1 player in the league who dropped 50 twice this year. That's Kyrie Irving. Watch games like what he did against the Spurs in San Antonio and try to say anyone is a full tier ahead of him offensively when he's healthy.

Then again, Golden State needs to hope Kyrie isn't 100%, so it makes sense. If Curry has to work defensively and it takes away from his offensive game at all, that's a serious blow to the Warriors chances. I can see why one might hope Kyrie would be a walk in the park for Steph.

Dude, Steph just got finished with a regular season in which he had better advanced metrics than peak Larry Bird and Magic Johnson. Kyrie is probably multiple tiers below Steph. No need for further explanation. Kyrie will be lucky if he every sniffs Curry's peak level. 12-13 Curry was as good as this version of Kyrie.

Vee-Rex
05-29-2015, 11:39 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJOd8RjELu0

Just to help keep us all a little pumped up! It should be a very, very entertaining finals.

GeorgeHarrisson
05-30-2015, 12:03 AM
No biggie guys.

Steph is legions above Kyrie offensively
Draymond will shut LBJ down and LBJ can't guard him either
Bogut will make everyone who drives in the paint miss
JR will shoot the Cavs out the series
Shumpert will get annihilated trying to defend on the perimeter

If the Cavs win, it'll be because of one of these two reasons:

1. Refs cheated/NBA is rigged
2. Steve Kerr sucks as a coach and cost the series because of his poor coaching and so he should be fired because he did terribly and lost the series for the almighty dubs

PSD logic, folks.

I love being the underdog of a series. :)

Lol, okay guy. The cavs literally have no chance and it's only complete and utter homerism that isn't allowing you to wrap your head around that. We're talking about a Western Conference team that won 67 games, is being considered as one of the best teams in NBA history, and has the best star power and depth in the league. The cavs? Lol. They're only here because of historically weak eastern conference. Anybody coming out of that conference was going to be a sacrificial lamb this season. The fact that you cannot comprehend how wide the gap in talent is between these two teams is downright hysterical. You really need to give it up, but don't, it will only be funnier after game 4.

tredigs
05-30-2015, 12:24 AM
All I can say is that with most of the talk being, "HOW do we stop LeBRON!" Curry is about to put the world on blast.

The best player in the world is Curry, not LeBron.

ThaDubs
05-30-2015, 12:38 AM
All I can say is that with most of the talk being, "HOW do we stop LeBRON!" Curry is about to put the world on blast.

The best player in the world is Curry, not LeBron.

**** yeah tre

lol, please
05-30-2015, 12:49 AM
All I can say is that with most of the talk being, "HOW do we stop LeBRON!" Curry is about to put the world on blast.

The best player in the world is Curry, not LeBron.
:clap:

FlashBolt
05-30-2015, 01:43 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YI1GLB-byeQ

How quickly they forget...

FlashBolt
05-30-2015, 01:46 AM
For all this talk about Cleveland not playing anyone like GSW.. where in the playoffs did GSW play vs anyone like Cleveland? And if you think a 100% Kyrie wouldn't give Curry an equal battle, idk what to tell you.


For someone who loves numbers, you sure can't argue against this.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=irvinky01&p2=curryst01

FlashBolt
05-30-2015, 01:49 AM
Lmfao. You don't watch enough Curry/GS homie. Kyrie's a great offensive talent, not an All Time offensive talent. #'s back that up in droves.

That doesn't answer anything. Kyrie will give any PG issues. His ballhandling is better, his shooting is nothing to scoff at, and he finishes better at the paint than any other PG. If you truly think Curry will outclass a 100% Kyrie, idk what to tell you. He's never done that in his career.

Iron24th
05-30-2015, 02:01 AM
All I can say is that with most of the talk being, "HOW do we stop LeBRON!" Curry is about to put the world on blast.

The best player in the world is Curry, not LeBron.

Agree, they have no answer to Curry like all others teams.

vics
05-30-2015, 02:03 AM
Best coach, with best defensive game plan, with Tim Duncan in the middle, and the best one on one defender in th NBA and still averaged like 28/7/7 on 57%. And they did slow him down, but thats the best your gonna get. Bron is averaging like 30/10/8 in the playoffs. He's an animal. Dubs may be the easiest defense he's faced in the entire playoffs when it comes to his own personal matchup.

This may be true on championship series he had, san antonio, dallas and thunder are better defensive teams.

vics
05-30-2015, 02:12 AM
All I can say is that with most of the talk being, "HOW do we stop LeBRON!" Curry is about to put the world on blast.

The best player in the world is Curry, not LeBron.

Even you don't believe this. As for Warriors as the clear favorites, you're in for a rude awakening. LOL please

Goose17
05-30-2015, 02:31 AM
Okay I'm not responding to everyone individually I can't be bothered. And other people have dealt with the raw numbers anyway.

Kyrie is to Steph what Melo is to KD.

I'm not doubting Kyries ability, talent, potential or whatever. I'm not doubting he can beat Steph a couple times in a 7 games series or match him. I'm simply saying he's not as good.

One of these guys will most likely end his career (barring any injuries or sudden drop off) as a first ballot HOF, the greatest shooter that ever lived, at least a top 10 PG all time and one of the most influential players the game has seen, probably since Jordan. Not because he's Jordan level but because his game inspires people the same way Jordans did. We wouldn't have half the wing players we've had if it wasn't for Jordan. Kids growing up in their backyard practicing his moves the same way they are now practicing Steph's moves. Do you have any idea how many guards are going to come into this league being able to shoot off the dribble and utilise the step back LIKE Steph but not quite as good as him? There will be a Kobe to Steph's Jordan someday.

On the flip side Irving will be grouped with guy like Agent Zero most likely. He's the kind of the guy 10-20 years after he retires you'll have to tell your kids (or grandkids) about because they'll know the name but not know much, if anything about him.

Ask a kid today who Larry Bird is. You'll probably get a half decent answer. Then ask those same kids who Alex English is. See how many have anything to say.

That. Is the difference. It's not about the handles, the scoring ability, the lack of passing from Kyrie or anything else. It is simply about greatness. Even if the Warriors don't win it all this year, it won't matter. It won't make a difference to the gap between these guys. Right now it's pretty clear what direction their careers are heading. Does Kyrie have time to change that? Sure. Plenty. Will he?...

I wish this forum would still be around 20-30 years from now so we could all come back and discuss this.

Munkeysuit
05-30-2015, 03:36 AM
Heart says Cavs, head says Warriors.