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PowerHouse
05-21-2015, 10:05 PM
It is safe to say that Magic/Bird are the co-players of the 80s and MJ is the player of the 90s but when thinking of the 2000-2010 decade (yes Im calling it decade even though it is technically an 11 year span) things get a little more cloudy.

There was Shaq who dominated the 1st half of that span, and then Lebron who statistically dominated the 2nd half, as well as other good options. Who is your pick?

EDIT: Just for clarification purposes criteria is a balance between best overall body of work and best display of skill (just in that decade obviously)

Pierzynski4Prez
05-21-2015, 10:06 PM
Duncan

Cal827
05-21-2015, 10:07 PM
Kobe/Duncan/KG

PowerHouse
05-21-2015, 10:08 PM
Wow. Lighning quick response Pierzynski. Im not sure how you got in that fast. lol

DillyDill
05-21-2015, 10:11 PM
Shaq Daddy

Tony_Starks
05-21-2015, 10:14 PM
Kobe/ Duncan

naps
05-21-2015, 10:17 PM
Duncan. No question. True alpha dog throughout the decade. Never was option 2.

Eg714
05-21-2015, 10:21 PM
It felt like most of the time Kobe was the best player on the floor and even his peers treated him like it.

Tony_Starks
05-21-2015, 10:30 PM
Duncan. No question. True alpha dog throughout the decade. Never was option 2.

Tony Parker has a finals MVP that says your wrong....

bucketss
05-21-2015, 10:30 PM
duncan

accidentally voted lebron ;)

flea
05-21-2015, 10:32 PM
Tony Parker has a finals MVP that says your wrong....

Duncan was way better in the 07 playoffs, Cavs just couldn't defend Parker (or anyone). Duncan was the best player on 3 title runs in the decade (and 5 overall in his career) - hard to argue against him. Only Kobe could, but he lost a lot more games in the decade.

DillyDill
05-21-2015, 10:39 PM
Duncan was way better in the 07 playoffs, Cavs just couldn't defend Parker (or anyone). Duncan was the best player on 3 title runs in the decade (and 5 overall in his career) - hard to argue against him. Only Kobe could, but he lost a lot more games in the decade.

What about the Diesel?

jerellh528
05-21-2015, 10:40 PM
It felt like most of the time Kobe was the best player on the floor and even his peers treated him like it.

Yeah this is the big thing I remember, some guys may have had more efficient stats. But on a nightly basis it was pretty easy to see Kobe was the best player on the court vs whoever they played.

Jeffy25
05-21-2015, 10:40 PM
1. LeBron
1B. Duncan


Shaq, Kobe, Garnett, and Dirk round out the 2-6

flea
05-21-2015, 10:41 PM
What about the Diesel?

Fat and useless from 07-10, mediocre defender from 04-06, but really good to start. If this was 95-05 he'd have a great argument.

DillyDill
05-21-2015, 10:49 PM
Fat and useless from 07-10, mediocre defender from 04-06, but really good to start. If this was 95-05 he'd have a great argument.

Damn all u said is very true didn't view it like that. Did Shaq decline start after the 02-03 season he went from 27.5 ppg to LAL 21.5 03-04

FlashBolt
05-21-2015, 10:49 PM
Voted LeBron just because I want to piss some certain people off

Jeffy25
05-21-2015, 10:51 PM
LeBron and Shaq were the best per minute played, but neither played that many minutes overall

Duncan, Kobe, Garnett, and Dirk all basically played the entire decade playing 800ish games and had some playoff times as well.

So if you want to argue best, in terms of best while out there, Shaq and LeBron have it. But in terms of overall being the best and playing the most minutes, then I would give it to Duncan.

still1ballin
05-21-2015, 10:52 PM
Kobe

JordansBulls
05-21-2015, 10:56 PM
1. LeBron
1B. Duncan


Shaq, Kobe, Garnett, and Dirk round out the 2-6

How could it be Lebron thru 2010 when he had no titles yet?

Jeffy25
05-21-2015, 11:00 PM
Some numbers


Playoffs
WS (minutes played)
1. Kobe - 25.4 (7143)
2. Duncan - 23.7 (5633)
3. Shaq - 21.6 (5554)
5. LeBron - 14.7 (3089)

PER
1. LeBron - 27.1
2. Duncan - 26.2
3. Shaq - 25.5
6. Kobe - 23.0


Regular Season
WS (Minutes)

1. Dirk - 149.4 (32,773)
2. Duncan - 140.8 (30,412)
3. Garnett - 139.1 (31,405)
4. Kobe - 132.7 (32,311)
8. Shaq - 103.5 (24,181)
9. LeBron - 103.3 (22,108)

PER
1. LeBron - 26.9
2. Shaq - 26.1
3. Duncan - 25.4
5. Kobe - 24.4
6. Dirk - 24.1

Jeffy25
05-21-2015, 11:01 PM
How could it be Lebron thru 2010 when he had no titles yet?

Because titles don't matter to me, it's a team accomplishment and this is an individual discussion

naps
05-21-2015, 11:13 PM
Tony Parker has a finals MVP that says your wrong....

Were you too young in 2007 to watch the season? Or you just googled it? Who was Lakers alpha dog in 1988? Yeah there you go.

Ty22Mitchell
05-21-2015, 11:27 PM
Tony Parker has a finals MVP that says your wrong....

I'm not sure if you're serious.

Tony_Starks
05-21-2015, 11:31 PM
Tony Parker has a finals MVP that says your wrong....

Duncan was way better in the 07 playoffs, Cavs just couldn't defend Parker (or anyone). Duncan was the best player on 3 title runs in the decade (and 5 overall in his career) - hard to argue against him. Only Kobe could, but he lost a lot more games in the decade.

True that but when you look at their teams facing off in the playoffs Kobe got the best of Duncan with and without Shaq. Add to that the fact that Kobe was still at elite level that entire time while Duncan started to gradually go into minute cut back, game monitoring mode as the decade went on and I'll say Kobe has a really good case with Timmy.....

Can't go wrong with either though. 7 chips in 10 years between the both of them....

flea
05-21-2015, 11:42 PM
True that but when you look at their teams facing off in the playoffs Kobe got the best of Duncan with and without Shaq. Add to that the fact that Kobe was still at elite level that entire time while Duncan started to gradually go into minute cut back, game monitoring mode as the decade went on and I'll say Kobe has a really good case with Timmy.....

Can't go wrong with either though. 7 chips in 10 years between the both of them....

Kobe beat Duncan once without Shaq. (http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=duncati01&p2=bryanko01) Kobe all-time team won 01, 02, and 04 battles and lost 99 and 03. Duncan had the inferior team every single matchup, unless you think Sean Elliott is an elite player or something. Duncan owns the RS series as well, for what that's worth (not a lot IMO). Duncan still won more games and more titles as his team's best player.

Tony_Starks
05-21-2015, 11:50 PM
True that but when you look at their teams facing off in the playoffs Kobe got the best of Duncan with and without Shaq. Add to that the fact that Kobe was still at elite level that entire time while Duncan started to gradually go into minute cut back, game monitoring mode as the decade went on and I'll say Kobe has a really good case with Timmy.....

Can't go wrong with either though. 7 chips in 10 years between the both of them....

Kobe beat Duncan once without Shaq. (http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=duncati01&p2=bryanko01) Kobe all-time team won 01, 02, and 04 battles and lost 99 and 03. Duncan had the inferior team every single matchup, unless you think Sean Elliott is an elite player or something. Duncan owns the RS series as well, for what that's worth (not a lot IMO). Duncan still won more games and more titles as his team's best player.

Its a big stretch to say Duncan had a inferior team. Under the Popovich era they have consistently been one of the most well balanced teams in the game with a minimum of 2 stars, sometimes 3, surrounded by key role players.

And the regular season battles aren't really worth a lot when you factor in Duncans always had a squad while Kobe went through the Smush Parker/ Kwame Brown era for a while, even though individually he was absolutely killing the league at the time...

FlashBolt
05-21-2015, 11:53 PM
LeBron shouldn't be on this. if it was 2005-2015, it is 100% him. But not with that 4 year missing period in which Kobe+Duncan were established superstars and though he covers some ground in 07-10, that's not enough. It's either Duncan or Kobe for me IMO and I gotta go with Kobe.

FlashBolt
05-21-2015, 11:58 PM
Kobe beat Duncan once without Shaq. (http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=duncati01&p2=bryanko01) Kobe all-time team won 01, 02, and 04 battles and lost 99 and 03. Duncan had the inferior team every single matchup, unless you think Sean Elliott is an elite player or something. Duncan owns the RS series as well, for what that's worth (not a lot IMO). Duncan still won more games and more titles as his team's best player.

Because Duncan didn't have a better team on the latter half of the 2000-10? If I do remember correctly, Kobe took out the Spurs in the playoffs without Shaq. And what does Duncan owning Kobe have anything to do with this anyways? This is about the best player of the 2000-10 and Duncan wasn't even regarded as the best player for many of those years... just a great player. Kobe and LeBron were the only ones going after one another along with Wade/CP3/Dwight in there as well.

Dade County
05-22-2015, 12:00 AM
Shaq & Duncan...

Then Lbj, Wade & Kobe.

mngopher35
05-22-2015, 12:10 AM
I assume this means over the entire span and not just best at some point? If so Shaq and Lebron are out just due to the timing (decline and not entering league) even though they were likely the best peaks in that time range.

With that said this would come down to Duncan or Kobe for the span and I personally would take Duncan.

LAKERS4LIFE!!
05-22-2015, 12:13 AM
If it was

95-2005 Shaq
2000-2010 Kobe or Duncan
2005-2015 Lebron

Jarvo
05-22-2015, 12:20 AM
Duncan

More-Than-Most
05-22-2015, 12:38 AM
If anyone says anyone besides James they seriously just hate....

Its James/Duncan



Then Kobe

Then Shaq.

this is why I get annoyed with PSD... 6 people voted Kobe and all are Laker fans... There is no argument at all for Kobe Over James or Duncan

More-Than-Most
05-22-2015, 12:40 AM
1. LeBron
1B. Duncan


Shaq, Kobe, Garnett, and Dirk round out the 2-6

This.

More-Than-Most
05-22-2015, 12:42 AM
How could it be Lebron thru 2010 when he had no titles yet?

So we should handicap a guy because of the team he was drafted by and the lack of talent around him for an individual discussion? He has a worst supporting cast than maybe anyone ever that went to a finals... This is why the championship argument is so moronic.

L8kers4life
05-22-2015, 12:42 AM
Not sure why KG is not listed, he definitely should be on there. I'm torn between Duncan and Kobe for this decade. I think Kobe takes this decade, but I think overall Duncan will be ranked higher as a player, top 5 all time to exact.

lol, please
05-22-2015, 12:45 AM
Shaq, then Duncan, then Kobe, then Lebron.

InRoseWeTrust
05-22-2015, 12:46 AM
I think it has to be Kobe

vics
05-22-2015, 12:48 AM
It's Lebron. from 2006 to 2010.

PowerHouse
05-22-2015, 12:49 AM
Not sure why KG is not listed, he definitely should be on there. I'm torn between Duncan and Kobe for this decade. I think Kobe takes this decade, but I think overall Duncan will be ranked higher as a player, top 5 all time to exact.

I thought briefly about including KG and Dirk but I just said ah fuq it, put "other" in there. So far only one dude voted other.

More-Than-Most
05-22-2015, 12:49 AM
There was never one season from 2000-2010 where Kobe was the best player that year.... But yes he is the best over the decade.... Logic.

vics
05-22-2015, 12:56 AM
I don't know about Duncan, has he been a consensus Best player of the NBA for a year? If so, what year?

More-Than-Most
05-22-2015, 01:01 AM
I don't know about Duncan, has he been a consensus Best player of the NBA for a year? If so, what year?

I have James 1 and Duncan 2... No he hasnt but he has been above Kobe for a ton of those seasons. Kobe had 1 year where he was a top 3 player and that was Like 06 I believe but literally Duncan/James/KG/Shaq all have been better the majority of these years.

FlashBolt
05-22-2015, 01:03 AM
There was never one season from 2000-2010 where Kobe was the best player that year.... But yes he is the best over the decade.... Logic.

Lmao, 2005-2006 was Kobe's year.. stop the hatred. Any other of those years, he was a top 5 player hands down. James came into the league in 2003 and his rookie year isn't worth mentioning = 4 year absence. Kobe won five rings that decade. Even though James didn't have much of a team, you gotta give credit to Kobe and it is a disgrace some of you discredit him. 2005-2015, no question LeBron was the best player. 1995-2005, easily Shaq. 2000-2010, either Kobe or Duncan.. and Duncan was never the best player any of those years either.

PowerHouse
05-22-2015, 01:04 AM
There was never one season from 2000-2010 where Kobe was the best player that year.... But yes he is the best over the decade.... Logic.

Same can be said about Duncan, but that way of thinking is irrelevant here. This isnt a best peak or best single season thread.

Bostonjorge
05-22-2015, 01:13 AM
Kobe for sure. In that span Kobe won 5 rings. Elimenated Duncan 4 times and every player who meant anything. Expect shaq of course.

Eliminated Webber , Bibby, Peja, AI, Montumbo, Kidd, Reggie, Nash, Amare, Melo, Durant, Westbrook, Harden, Ibaka, Pippen, Wallace, Allen, Peirce, KG, Howard, Robinson, Parker, Ginobli, Ming, Francis, Sprewell, Williams, boozer, Billups, Artest ect......

In that span all these players fell to Kobe in the playoffs.

More-Than-Most
05-22-2015, 01:13 AM
Lmao, 2005-2006 was Kobe's year.. stop the hatred. Any other of those years, he was a top 5 player hands down. James came into the league in 2003 and his rookie year isn't worth mentioning = 4 year absence. Kobe won five rings that decade. Even though James didn't have much of a team, you gotta give credit to Kobe and it is a disgrace some of you discredit him. 2005-2015, no question LeBron was the best player. 1995-2005, easily Shaq. 2000-2010, either Kobe or Duncan.. and Duncan was never the best player any of those years either.

James missed 4 years but in his 6 years was a much better player than Kobe in 10 years... James was the best player in 7-10 without question. Kobe was not the best in 06 nor was he top 5 in every year in 2010... Duncan/KG/WADE/CP3/DIRK/JAMES/SHAQ/TMAC and the list could go on in any given year... He was in the top 3 in 06 and sometimes in the top 5 other years but not every year... Duncan/Dirk/James and an argument could be made for others in 06. How the hell was Kobe better in 06... his best year no doubt.

But you see 35 points a game and assume he is the best... Please

Dirk/James were better than Kobe in 06.... Arguments could easily be made for KG/Wade as well and several others.... James was offensively and defensively better than almost everyone that year.

More-Than-Most
05-22-2015, 01:15 AM
Same can be said about Duncan, but that way of thinking is irrelevant here. This isnt a best peak or best single season thread.

Never said it was... There were players who were actually in the top 5 almost every year or best player in the league for a majority of the years and better players overall both offensively and defensively but of course the only argument pro kobe arguments are championships and that is just beyond silly.

L8kers4life
05-22-2015, 01:19 AM
If anyone says anyone besides James they seriously just hate....

Its James/Duncan



Then Kobe

Then Shaq.

this is why I get annoyed with PSD... 6 people voted Kobe and all are Laker fans... There is no argument at all for Kobe Over James or Duncan


If Lebron had come into the league a bit earlier than when he did, I would agree with you, but 4 less years is a lot. And when you are talking about any player for player of the decade, you best believe they had to have won some rings.

More-Than-Most
05-22-2015, 01:21 AM
If Lebron had come into the league a bit earlier than when he did, I would agree with you, but 4 less years is a lot. And when you are talking about any player for player of the decade, you best believe they had to have won some rings.

Not when he was the best all around player in said league in the years of 06/07/08/09 and 10 or top 2 in all of those years while being a top 5 player in 05 and up there the season after his rookie year as well.

Also even if by some miracle Kobe was offensively close to James in any of the years outside of James rookie year he wasnt anywhere in his universe defensively... James was insane at all areas of the game from 05-10. He easily made up for the years of 00-04... I have never seen people in any other sports forum disregard defense like this forum does when talking about best players.

PowerHouse
05-22-2015, 01:22 AM
Never said it was... There were players who were actually in the top 5 almost every year or best player in the league for a majority of the years and better players overall both offensively and defensively but of course the only argument pro kobe arguments are championships and that is just beyond silly.

Agreed. Kobe, Duncan, and probably KG all fall in the bolded category.

Minimal
05-22-2015, 01:24 AM
Shaq/LeBron

More-Than-Most
05-22-2015, 01:24 AM
Agreed. Kobe, Duncan, and probably KG all fall in the bolded category.

lol you think kobe was a top 5 player in almost all years???? Please try and make that argument.

Mave1002
05-22-2015, 01:28 AM
Tim Duncan and Kobe Bryant based on leadership and number of rings won.

PowerHouse
05-22-2015, 01:31 AM
lol you think kobe was a top 5 player in almost all years???? Please try and make that argument.

Really?

Its ridiculous to say he wasnt top 5 for almost all of them. How about you give us your top 5 players list for every year of that decade and we can go from there.

More-Than-Most
05-22-2015, 01:36 AM
Really?

Its ridiculous to say he wasnt top 5 for almost all of them. How about you give us your top 5 players list for every year of that decade and we can go from there.

Sure I will do my home work and easily post it over the next day or 2 but I am pretty sure a Jeffy will for you because he has before and I would be pretty shocked if Kobe is top 5 in 2000-2010 in 5 or more seasons.

More-Than-Most
05-22-2015, 01:41 AM
In fact Without doing the Homework I am pretty confident in saying Kobe was a top 5 player in 02-03/03-04 and 05-06.... Outside of that he is usually between 7th-12th

PowerHouse
05-22-2015, 01:41 AM
^Hear that Jeffy? Can you hook it up? I trust you are an unbiased opinion guy.

L8kers4life
05-22-2015, 01:44 AM
lol you think kobe was a top 5 player in almost all years???? Please try and make that argument.

Ok I will make the argument, Kobe was top 5 in the MVP voting from 2001 through 2013 minus one year 04-05, the year he got hurt. He also has the most 1st team all NBA selections ever with 11 and the most all NBA teams ever with 15. He also is tied for the most 1st team all defensive teams as well with 9 and you can't say that is a popularity contest because this year LeBron was not named to any all defensive teams, that never happened to Kobe in his Prime. And of Course Kobe won 5 rings in that decade and 2 finals mvps,. So there is my argument, writers vote for all nba just like MVP'S, so yes those accolades matter. So let's do the math ,Kobe 5 titles, 2 finals MVPS, all nba first team 9 out of 10 years and 1st team all defensive team 9 out of 10 years. LeBron 0 titles, 0 finals MVPs, played 4 less years. Yes dominated the last 3 years of the decade and got 2 MVP'S doing so, but that is not enough to pass kobe for that decade..

L8kers4life
05-22-2015, 02:01 AM
Not when he was the best all around player in said league in the years of 06/07/08/09 and 10 or top 2 in all of those years while being a top 5 player in 05 and up there the season after his rookie year as well.

Also even if by some miracle Kobe was offensively close to James in any of the years outside of James rookie year he wasnt anywhere in his universe defensively... James was insane at all areas of the game from 05-10. He easily made up for the years of 00-04... I have never seen people in any other sports forum disregard defense like this forum does when talking about best players.


Kobe 12 time all nba defensive team 9 1st team selections.
LeBron 6 time all nba defensive team 5 1st team selections .

You should do a little research before you go on your pointless angry rants.

More-Than-Most
05-22-2015, 02:03 AM
Ok I will make the argument, Kobe was top 5 in the MVP voting from 2001 through 2013 minus one year 04-05, the year he got hurt. He also has the most 1st team all NBA selections ever with 11 and the most all NBA teams ever with 15. He also is tied for the most 1st team all defensive teams as well with 9 and you can't say that is a popularity contest because this year LeBron was not named to any all defensive teams, that never happened to Kobe in his Prime. And of Course Kobe won 5 rings in that decade and 2 finals mvps,. So there is my argument, writers vote for all nba just like MVP'S, so yes those accolades matter. So let's do the math ,Kobe 5 titles, 2 finals MVPS, all nba first team 9 out of 10 years and 1st team all defensive team 9 out of 10 years. LeBron 0 titles, 0 finals MVPs, played 4 less years. Yes dominated the last 3 years of the decade and got 2 MVP'S doing so, but that is not enough to pass kobe for that decade..

mvp voting lol.. Just stop. The same MVP voting that gave Nash 1 to many Mvps and gave Iverson an mvp... stop please. Mvp voters give you the nod if you score.

More-Than-Most
05-22-2015, 02:05 AM
Kobe 12 time all nba defensive team 9 1st team selections.
LeBron 6 time all nba defensive team 5 1st team selections .

You should do a little research before you go on your pointless angry rants.

Lol All nba defensive teams... This is as bad as NBA voting. That is a popularity award... Lebron should have won the MVP AND DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR AWARD AT the same time.

Example A

http://www.sportsgrid.com/nba/james-harden-somehow-got-two-all-defensive-team-votes/

LAKERS4LIFE!!
05-22-2015, 02:13 AM
In fact Without doing the Homework I am pretty confident in saying Kobe was a top 5 player in 02-03/03-04 and 05-06.... Outside of that he is usually between 7th-12th

I'm sorry but this is probably in Top 3 for dumbest things I've ever read on PSD. Congratulations.

More-Than-Most
05-22-2015, 02:15 AM
I'm sorry but this is probably in Top 3 for dumbest things I've ever read on PSD. Congratulations.

Of course you are a Kobe fan and only use rings and scoring to evaluate the best INDIVIDUAL players... Prove me wrong with facts and statistics. I will wait.

L8kers4life
05-22-2015, 02:15 AM
mvp voting lol.. Just stop. The same MVP voting that gave Nash 1 to many Mvps and gave Iverson an mvp... stop please. Mvp voters give you the nod if you score.

Cool so LeBron's 4 MVP'S mean nothing or is it different for LeBron? Anyway your bitterness is borderline scary. I personally believe LeBron is the better player, just not for that decade.

L8kers4life
05-22-2015, 02:18 AM
Lol All nba defensive teams... This is as bad as NBA voting. That is a popularity award... Lebron should have won the MVP AND DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR AWARD AT the same time.

Example A

http://www.sportsgrid.com/nba/james-harden-somehow-got-two-all-defensive-team-votes/


Lol your hilarious, are you now trying to say LeBron is not popular, he is the face of the NBA... wow, I'm done, I get it, your a troll.

ILLUSIONIST^248
05-22-2015, 02:20 AM
Kobe,Duncan a very close second

lamzoka
05-22-2015, 02:21 AM
double post

More-Than-Most
05-22-2015, 02:24 AM
Lol your hilarious, are you now trying to say LeBron is not popular, he is the face of the NBA... wow, I'm done, I get it, your a troll.

I am a troll for backing up my opinions with stats and facts and not shameless popularity awards where I have just proven that some people win things because of their name and the fact that they score?

L8kers4life
05-22-2015, 02:25 AM
1-Duncan
2-Shaq
3-LeBron
4-Kobe


In that order. Before Kobe fans attack me, remember this is not who's the best player?

than that makes your order even worse, let's here your argument for LeBron over Kobe for the decade considering LeBron pled 4 less years and won 0 titles. , I gave my reasons for my pick on the previous page, I think Lebron is the better player but not for the decade?

More-Than-Most
05-22-2015, 02:25 AM
1-Duncan
2-Shaq
3-LeBron
4-Kobe


In that order. Before Kobe fans attack me, remember this is not who's the best player?

Even if it was the only way your ranking would change is James would be 1/duncan 2 and Shaq 3 in terms of the best player... I have no issues with Duncan number 1 but Id have lebron right there with him... Kobe 4 is correct though and would be 4 even if we were talking about the best player... Duncan/Shaq/James will all go down as top 5 players ever where Kobe is between 8-12 all time.

L8kers4life
05-22-2015, 02:30 AM
I am a troll for backing up my opinions with stats and facts and not shameless popularity awards where I have just proven that some people win things because of their name and the fact that they score?

What stat have you provided in this conversation, you have even acknowledge my argument, you literally stated you thought Kobe was top 5 only 2 or 3 times for the decade, I proved other wise with his accolades, and the is not enough, also sighted his defensive accomplishments as well, if they are unjustified, show me some "stats" the you have yet to show this entire thread.

lol, please
05-22-2015, 02:31 AM
I'm sorry but this is probably in Top 3 for dumbest things I've ever read on PSD. Congratulations.
:clap:

LAKERS4LIFE!!
05-22-2015, 02:33 AM
Of course you are a Kobe fan and only use rings and scoring to evaluate the best INDIVIDUAL players... Prove me wrong with facts and statistics. I will wait.

I'm a LAKERS fan first. When Kobe sucks, I happily admit it. To say Kobe is usually 7th-12th as the best player every year from 2000-2010 is ridiculous. You're a hater/troll, I understand.

You were probably one of those guys who was booing Kobe when he won his all-star game MVP in Philly lol

Supreme LA
05-22-2015, 02:36 AM
Not when he was the best all around player in said league in the years of 06/07/08/09 and 10 or top 2 in all of those years while being a top 5 player in 05 and up there the season after his rookie year as well.

Also even if by some miracle Kobe was offensively close to James in any of the years outside of James rookie year he wasnt anywhere in his universe defensively... James was insane at all areas of the game from 05-10. He easily made up for the years of 00-04... I have never seen people in any other sports forum disregard defense like this forum does when talking about best players.

Oh cool, you have an opinion. It really doesn't matter what you think man, that's why there is a poll.

More-Than-Most
05-22-2015, 02:36 AM
What stat have you provided in this conversation, you have even acknowledge my argument, you literally stated you thought Kobe was top 5 only 2 or 3 times for the decade, I proved other wise with his accolades, and the is not enough, also sighted his defensive accomplishments as well, if they are unjustified, show me some "stats" the you have yet to show this entire thread.

um you can go to any advanced metric site and look at all the individual stats yourself pretty easily... I stated several times that I will do my homework but not at 2 in the morning... When deciding who is the best indiviually rings mean ****.... All defensive teams where guys like harden get votes mean ****. Lebron james has won multiple league MVP awards something Kobe has not and should have won defensive player of the year awards on top of leading lesser skilled teams to the finals time and time again. Individually from 2000-2010 Lebron has been all around better than Kobe and its not even close when you factor in defense.... All defensive player teams mean crap and finishing in the mvp voting doesnt say a ton more when AI won an mvp he didnt deserve because he could score or when Nash won 3.... Sorry to burst your bubble but from 2000-2010 the only thing putting Kobe above guys like KG/Dirk is the fact that he has 5 TEAM championships with a top 5 greatest player of all time something the likes of James/KG/DUNCAN/CP3 and so on never had the likes of.

More-Than-Most
05-22-2015, 02:37 AM
Oh cool, you have an opinion. It really doesn't matter what you think man, that's why there is a poll.

yea there is a pool and of the 11 votes that voted Kobe 10 are Laker fans... my god if someone actually had an unbias opinion here in the NBA forum... I guess I should pick other and choose Iverson then to keep the trend going?

Supreme LA
05-22-2015, 02:39 AM
yea there is a pool and of the 11 votes that voted Kobe 10 are Laker fans... my god if someone actually had an unbias opinion here in the NBA forum... I guess I should pick other and choose Iverson then to keep the trend going?

Are you suggesting that you're not biased against Kobe? Laughable.

More-Than-Most
05-22-2015, 02:39 AM
I'm a LAKERS fan first. When Kobe sucks, I happily admit it. To say Kobe is usually 7th-12th as the best player every year from 2000-2010 is ridiculous. You're a hater/troll, I understand.

You were probably one of those guys who was booing Kobe when he won his all-star game MVP in Philly lol

I think Kobe is a top 8-12 player all time and in another thread and you can look it up I stated there is nobody who plays with more passion or who has a better work ethic... I guess I am only a hater when I think others are better than him :shrug:

7th-12th most years... I have him top 5 in 3 or 4 years from 2000-2010.

lamzoka
05-22-2015, 02:40 AM
I have to change my order.

1-Duncan

2-Shaq (Like OP said, he only dominated half of that decade)

3-Kobe (He wasn't even the best player on his team during the first half of that dedade)

4-Lebron (Been dominant from day 1, but he's the only one without a ring during that time frame. But that's not a fair comparison, he kinda came late to the party) In fact they've all won multiple championships before he even came in the league.

More-Than-Most
05-22-2015, 02:41 AM
Are you suggesting that you're not biased against Kobe? Laughable.

I am suggesting that.... I think he is one of the best players ever and in his prime was pretty amazing and there is nobody more fun to watch... But he just isnt better than Duncan/Shaq/James... All were better in that decade and all will end up or are top 5 players all time where Kobe is 8th-12 best ever.

Supreme LA
05-22-2015, 02:44 AM
I am suggesting that.... I think he is one of the best players ever and in his prime was pretty amazing and there is nobody more fun to watch... But he just isnt better than Duncan/Shaq/James... All were better in that decade and all will end up or are top 5 players all time where Kobe is 8th-12 best ever.

Yeah ok lol

vics
05-22-2015, 02:56 AM
Same can be said about Duncan, but that way of thinking is irrelevant here. This isnt a best peak or best single season thread.

So this would be like the best player even without being the best at any point/year of the decade, well i disagree with the criteria.

andy2518
05-22-2015, 03:13 AM
lol you think kobe was a top 5 player in almost all years???? Please try and make that argument.

I wouldn't bet the farm on that one bro.

andy2518
05-22-2015, 03:14 AM
I am suggesting that.... I think he is one of the best players ever and in his prime was pretty amazing and there is nobody more fun to watch... But he just isnt better than Duncan/Shaq/James... All were better in that decade and all will end up or are top 5 players all time where Kobe is 8th-12 best ever.

You would rank those three over Kareem, Wilt, and Magic???

andy2518
05-22-2015, 03:15 AM
I have to change my order.

1-Duncan

2-Shaq (Like OP said, he only dominated half of that decade)

3-Kobe (He wasn't even the best player on his team during the first half of that dedade)

4-Lebron (Been dominant from day 1, but he's the only one without a ring during that time frame. But that's not a fair comparison, he kinda came late to the party) In fact they've all won multiple championships before he even came in the league.

It's pretty debatable between Duncan, Shaq, and Kobe really. Any of the three have a very good case.

More-Than-Most
05-22-2015, 03:26 AM
You would rank those three over Kareem, Wilt, and Magic???

James eventually yes... You can put Shaq/Duncan/James behind those 3 and MJ and I wouldnt be mad.

More-Than-Most
05-22-2015, 03:27 AM
It's pretty debatable between Duncan, Shaq, and Kobe really. Any of the three have a very good case.

No its not. Id debatable between Duncan/James.... It would be debatable between Kobe/Shaq after duncan and James.

andy2518
05-22-2015, 03:29 AM
James eventually yes... You can put Shaq/Duncan/James behind those 3 and MJ and I wouldnt be mad.

Eventually is not currently though. A lot can happen between now and eventually.

andy2518
05-22-2015, 03:33 AM
No its not. Id debatable between Duncan/James.... It would be debatable between Kobe/Shaq after duncan and James.

Bron only played half the decade and went to the finals one time. Now if it was the first half of the current decade, it's James without a doubt.

Kobe and Shaq also pretty much owned Duncan in the playoffs overall in the 2000's. It's pretty close between the three. Shaq definitely has the first half of the decade covered and Kobe the second half. Duncan was consistent throughout. There really is no wrong answer between those three in my opinion.

More-Than-Most
05-22-2015, 03:36 AM
Eventually is not currently though. A lot can happen between now and eventually.

whats your point? the only thing currently for sure is that any of those 3 have an argument over Kobe for the decade. Where they sit all time is currently ahead of him as well.

More-Than-Most
05-22-2015, 03:36 AM
Bron only played half the decade and went to the finals one time. Now if it was the first half of the current decade, it's James without a doubt.

Kobe and Shaq also pretty much owned Duncan in the playoffs overall in the 2000's. It's pretty close between the three. Shaq definitely has the first half of the decade covered and Kobe the second half. Duncan was consistent throughout. There really is no wrong answer between those three in my opinion.

Lol so its not the best player of the decade but the player that has the most team accolades by being on the most loaded teams? Again you are correct James didnt arrive in the league till like 03-04 but he did more in a 6 year span that Kobe did in 10 years... Thus James->Kobe for the decade.

andy2518
05-22-2015, 03:43 AM
whats your point? the only thing currently for sure is that any of those 3 have an argument over Kobe for the decade. Where they sit all time is currently ahead of him as well.

I thought we were talking about Bron over Kareem, Wilt, and Magic all-time. I definitely would say that he is not near those guys yet. Not to get off topic though, but I wasn't referring to Kobe at all. I was replying to a comment you said earlier about Bron being in the top five eventually.

andy2518
05-22-2015, 03:44 AM
Lol so its not the best player of the decade but the player that has the most team accolades by being on the most loaded teams? Again you are correct James didnt arrive in the league till like 03-04 but he did more in a 6 year span that Kobe did in 10 years... Thus James->Kobe for the decade.

How is that even logical?

More-Than-Most
05-22-2015, 03:46 AM
I thought we were talking about Bron over Kareem, Wilt, and Magic all-time. I definitely would say that he is not near those guys yet. Not to get off topic though, but I wasn't referring to Kobe at all. I was replying to a comment you said earlier about Bron being in the top five eventually.

Oh I wouldnt put bron over those 3 yet either... I would have Lebron in the 6-8 range or so.

PowerHouse
05-22-2015, 03:47 AM
So this would be like the best player even without being the best at any point/year of the decade, well i disagree with the criteria.

That's what you took from that comment? What Im saying is that decade was pretty loaded with competition for player of the decade and if a player was head and shoulders the best for 1 or 2 years of the decade that would help his case but a player who wasn't should not be eliminated from consideration, hence why Duncan is getting a lot of votes. Criteria is a balance of best overall body of work in the decade and best display of skill.

More-Than-Most
05-22-2015, 03:48 AM
How is that even logical?

Because James was the very best in the game 06/07/08/09/10 and top 10 or so in 04 and 05

Kobe is top 8 from 2000-2010 but never number 1 and only had maybe 3 top 5 seasons but never really even top 3... James was the best in the league... Number 1 for several years... That is how its logical.

andy2518
05-22-2015, 03:51 AM
Oh I wouldnt put bron over those 3 yet either... I would have Lebron in the 6-8 range or so.

I can live with that. I do think Bron has top five potential too. Gonna be hard to pass up Kareem and Wilt though. He has a shot at Magic though.

andy2518
05-22-2015, 03:55 AM
Because James was the very best in the game 06/07/08/09/10 and top 10 or so in 04 and 05

Kobe is top 8 from 2000-2010 but never number 1 and only had maybe 3 top 5 seasons but never really even top 3... James was the best in the league... Number 1 for several years... That is how its logical.

Ya, but those rankings are all your opinion with nothing really all that concrete to back it up. The big glaring fact here without getting into all the other rhetoric is that Bron missed nearly half the decade. That fact alone handicaps him greatly. Bron didn't really get going until 09-10.

More-Than-Most
05-22-2015, 03:55 AM
People arent even mentioning that Dirk and KG probably have as much or a better argument over Kobe for all decade player.

More-Than-Most
05-22-2015, 03:55 AM
People arent even mentioning that Dirk and KG probably have as much or a better argument over Kobe for all decade player. After Bron and Duncan you can mix and match Kobe/Shaq/Dirk/KG any way you want and I wont argue.

More-Than-Most
05-22-2015, 03:57 AM
Ya, but those rankings are all your opinion with nothing really all that concrete to back it up. The big glaring fact here without getting into all the other rhetoric is that Bron missed nearly half the decade. That fact alone handicaps him greatly. Bron didn't really get going until 09-10.

There is more than enough concrete proof if people would actually look it up. Bron was better than Kobe in 06/07/08/09 and 10

The only year its close is in 06 but James was still better.

andy2518
05-22-2015, 03:57 AM
People arent even mentioning that Dirk and KG probably have as much or a better argument over Kobe for all decade player.

Now you're taking it way too far.

You're also being inconsistent in that you just said that Kobe and Shaq were debatable a few posts back. Now all of the sudded KG and Dirk have a better argument?

andy2518
05-22-2015, 03:59 AM
There is more than enough concrete proof if people would actually look it up. Bron was better than Kobe in 06/07/08/09 and 10

Kobe had the better playoff runs though. Bron in the 09 playoffs was pretty solid though.

More-Than-Most
05-22-2015, 03:59 AM
Now you're taking it way too far.

You're also being inconsistent in that you just said that Kobe and Shaq were debatable a few posts back. Now all of the sudded KG and Dirk have a better argument?

The poster just asked for James/Kobe/Shaq/Duncan.... KG and Dirk are right there as well with Kobe/Shaq... Thats not inconsistency its logic if you would actually go and look up their performances/stats over the decade.

More-Than-Most
05-22-2015, 04:00 AM
Kobe had the better playoff runs though. Bron in the 09 playoffs was pretty solid though.

Kobe had stacked team... Lebron carried one of the worst finals teams ever to the finals... Championships are TEAM effort and does not help make an argument for an individual player.

Horry has insane playoffs and 27 championships is he the best player of the decade?

More-Than-Most
05-22-2015, 04:02 AM
there is 14 votes for kobe... over 11 are lakers fans and 2 are pure Lebron haters lol. I love that the poll is public.

More-Than-Most
05-22-2015, 04:07 AM
Steven Nash and Jason Kidd have how many titles? How many does Fisher have? Has Fisher been better from 00-10? Just curious of this answer.

andy2518
05-22-2015, 04:13 AM
Kobe had stacked team... Lebron carried one of the worst finals teams ever to the finals... Championships are TEAM effort and does not help make an argument for an individual player.

Horry has insane playoffs and 27 championships is he the best player of the decade?

Horry was a roll player lol. His individual numbers and contributions are not on the level of anyone in the poll. he also won 7 championships, not 27 and only 5 of which were in the 2000's anyways.

I was talking about from an individual standpoint though. Kobe's 2001 playoff run from an individual standpoint as well as from a winning standpoint is above anything Bron did in the playoffs that decade. Perhaps even his career. Kobe also has a multitude of post season runs that decade to fall back on as well. Bron might only have game five of the 07 ECF and the 09 playoff run as any sort of significant run that decade and he did not win anything. That counts for a lot. Bron also did not play all that well in the finals from an individual standpoint in 07. I would also not say worst finals teams ever. Those Nets teams were pretty bad as well.

andy2518
05-22-2015, 04:14 AM
Steven Nash and Jason Kidd have how many titles? How many does Fisher have? Has Fisher been better from 00-10? Just curious of this answer.

Pretty sure Nash's and Kidd's Usage is a lot higher than Fishers.

More-Than-Most
05-22-2015, 04:14 AM
Horry was a roll player lol. His individual numbers and contributions are not on the level of anyone in the poll. he also won 7 championships, not 27 and only 5 of which were in the 2000's anyways.

I was talking about from an individual standpoint though. Kobe's 2001 playoff run from an individual standpoint as well as from a winning standpoint is above anything Bron did in the playoffs that decade. Perhaps even his career. Kobe also has a multitude of post season runs that decade to fall back on as well. Bron might only have game five of the 07 ECF and the 09 playoff run as any sort of significant run that decade and he did not win anything. That counts for a lot. Bron also did not play all that well in the finals from an individual standpoint in 07. I would also not say worst finals teams ever. Those Nets teams were pretty bad as well.

Lol are you the one that argued Kobes 2001 in another thread where he was pretty bad and got carried by a prime Shaq but had one good shot that helped win them a game? Your posts is filled with so many holes im not even gonna bother.

andy2518
05-22-2015, 04:17 AM
The poster just asked for James/Kobe/Shaq/Duncan.... KG and Dirk are right there as well with Kobe/Shaq... Thats not inconsistency its logic if you would actually go and look up their performances/stats over the decade.

Dirk had a meltdown in the finals, and neither he nor KG was nearly as dominant as Shaq. If you wanna talk about Bron's 6 years being better than kobe's 10 than I would argue Shaq's first half of the decade was better and more dominant than anything KG or Dirk did in 10 years lol.

andy2518
05-22-2015, 04:21 AM
Lol are you the one that argued Kobes 2001 in another thread where he was pretty bad and got carried by a prime Shaq but had one good shot that helped win them a game? Your posts is filled with so many holes im not even gonna bother.

I never made that argument no. Go look at Kobe's 2001 playoff run especially in the west. Dude was on fire. I think you might have it confused with his 2000 run or something. The main point here without getting into all this is that Bron didn't even play for nearly half the decade. How can he be above Kobe and Shaq when they played the full decade and both had better and more successful post season runs from both an individual and winning standpoint? Shaq's 2000-2002 run was better than anything Bron did that decade for sure. Even his 2005 season was pretty damn special.

andy2518
05-22-2015, 04:23 AM
I'm calling it a night. Someone else can take over arguing with this guy now lol.

More-Than-Most
05-22-2015, 04:26 AM
I never made that argument no. Go look at Kobe's 2001 playoff run especially in the west. Dude was on fire. I think you might have it confused with his 2000 run or something. The main point here without getting into all this is that Bron didn't even play for nearly half the decade. How can he be above Kobe and Shaq when they played the full decade and both had better and more successful post season runs from both an individual and winning standpoint? Shaq's 2000-2002 run was better than anything Bron did that decade for sure. Even his 2005 season was pretty damn special.

Because they are asking for the best player of the decade and not the most accomplished player who was blessed with a stacked team... Lebron carried a horrid cavs team to the finals and made them relevent time and time again without less than a quarter of the help Kobe had for the majority of these 10 years.... Brons years were better than Anything Kobe/Shaq did in the 2000s as an individual.

R. Johnson#3
05-22-2015, 04:30 AM
Mike James

jerellh528
05-22-2015, 05:24 AM
there is 14 votes for kobe... over 11 are lakers fans and 2 are pure Lebron haters lol. I love that the poll is public.

Yeah like the 8 who voted for Lebron lol over 5 are Lebron fan boys, and 1 flashbolt really would've voted Kobe but only voted Lebron to rustle feathers. Goes both ways lol. Don't know much about slashsnake n Vics though, but they seem leveled enough.

slashsnake
05-22-2015, 06:53 AM
Yeah like the 8 who voted for Lebron lol over 5 are Lebron fan boys, and 1 flashbolt really would've voted Kobe but only voted Lebron to rustle feathers. Goes both ways lol. Don't know much about slashsnake n Vics though, but they seem leveled enough.

I'm a fan of Lebron, I really always liked the tall point guards or point forwards of the past, Penny, Jalen Rose, Magic, Turk, Odom, Pippen, etc... I like Kobe a lot too though, and Duncan is hard to vote against.

Shaq would be the one who I'd pick for the most dominant prime, but his would kind of fall mid decade, something like 93-03 or so for me where he misses the decade cutoff on both ends.

Looking at it closer now, I guess I'd do the same with Lebron here. Didn't start playing till 2003. Mid-2000's till mid 2010's Lebron easily and I probably should look at it more that way. But even with Smush and Kwame and guys like that I struggle to see a prime Lebron there only winning 35-45 games which is why he got my vote originally.

So yeah, looking at the decade only, removing Shaq and Lebron, I would say Kobe, Duncan, Dirk (then... Paul Pierce? AI? Tmac or Vince? It really takes a drop then).

I guess looking at it now, I'd go Kobe for best, but weighing in my mind that the center/PF position is more valuable with the ability to score with more consistent (closer) shots and rebound and impact more defensively I'd probably go Duncan as most valuable if that makes any sense.

FraziersKnicks
05-22-2015, 07:00 AM
LeBron has the same problem as Shaq when discussing greatest players of certain decades. They great years straddle two decades (90's-00's for Shaq and 00's-10's for LeBron). If you were to do 1995-2005 it would be Shaq hands down and 05-15 LeBron easily, but for 00-10 LeBron spent 3 years of that as a 16-18 year old high schooler and Shaq spent 3 years as a bit part role player.

The only real answer here is Tim Duncan.

Never missed the playoffs, 50 win seasons every year, 3 titles, 2 MVP's and countless All-NBA, All-Defense teams.

slashsnake
05-22-2015, 07:31 AM
I never made that argument no. Go look at Kobe's 2001 playoff run especially in the west. Dude was on fire. I think you might have it confused with his 2000 run or something. The main point here without getting into all this is that Bron didn't even play for nearly half the decade. How can he be above Kobe and Shaq when they played the full decade and both had better and more successful post season runs from both an individual and winning standpoint? Shaq's 2000-2002 run was better than anything Bron did that decade for sure. Even his 2005 season was pretty damn special.

He was good... Now granted 2001 vs. the Spurs I remember well and it was a lot of Kobe eating up a 37 year old Terry Porter while Shaq was banging back and forth between David Robinson and Tim Duncan defending both well and anyone else in the paint. Same with the kings series where it was a LOT of doubling and Shaq was killing in that series on both ends of the floor as well (I think Webber/Divac shot 40% that series). That to me was Kobe's most impressive series. He owned Christie who I really liked defensively.

The finals there was the one series where Brown decided Dikembe would take Shaq 1 on 1 without the doubling off the rest of the Lakers players. And Shaq had one of the best finals series ever for a player. 33 points 16 boards, 5 assists, and 3.5 blocks a game.

But I'll say no to Shaq, because post-2006 he was a 15 a game guy who was really struggling towards the end of the year and in the post-season and getting shipped off to another team again and again.

PhillyFaninLA
05-22-2015, 07:51 AM
I chose Duncan because Shaq was better than Kobe but Shaq was not Shaq the entire decade, I would say Lebron but because he started in the middle of the decade I think I need to give it to Duncan who was prime Duncan pretty much the entire decade

jgthegame1982
05-22-2015, 08:00 AM
If anyone says anyone besides James they seriously just hate....

Its James/Duncan



Then Kobe

Then Shaq.

this is why I get annoyed with PSD... 6 people voted Kobe and all are Laker fans... There is no argument at all for Kobe Over James or Duncan

Not laker fan, knick fan here.. Kobe dominated games.. you wanted to watch him during that time.. Also no one I would rather trust at the end of a game then him!

JasonJohnHorn
05-22-2015, 08:12 AM
Great questions.

If you said 95-05, the answer is easily Shaq, but we all know that from 2006 onward, Shaq simply didn't put up the same kind of numbers, which weakens an argument for him.

If you said from 2005-2015, it's be LBJ. But from 2000-1010? LBJ didn't even come in the league until 2004, and didn't emerge as an MVP caliber player for about 3 years. So he's not in the race.


So that leaves Kobe and Duncan. It we looked at the offense, Kobe clearly had more impressive scoring averages, but in a broader context, they aren't so much more impressive than Duncan's. Duncan had a higher FG% throughout, and if you watch the games, you see the HUGE impact Duncan had on the offense. His ability to step out to 15-20 feet allow the Spurs to keep the key open for Manu and Parker, and the fact that he required double teams in the post opened things up for the spot up shooters. For me, on offensive, when you know how the game functions, and you watch the game and see how the impact the offense, you really can't argue that Kobe is a better offensive player. All you can argue is that he scored more points, and he scored more points because he took more shots. In 2007, for instance, he took 12 more shots to score 11 more points. I would happily concede to anybody who claimed that Kobe had a bigger impact on offense, but in my eyes the difference is negligible.

On the defensive end, there is no question who the better player. Tim Duncan. Tim Duncan has been the defensive anchor for one of the best defenses in the league for twenty years. Kobe is a solid defender on most nights, but on nights when he's playing big on offense, his defense effort is negatively impacted (something that seldom happened to MJ or Pippen). Duncan, though, is an DPOY candidate almost every night. The gap between them on defense is so big that it easily overcomes whatever negligible difference might exist on the offensive end.

My pick is Duncan. You play half the game on defense, and half the game on offense, and those two parts of the game are equally important. Most people don't weigh them equally, but I do. That said. If I were scoring them on a scale from 1-10 on offense, and assuming Jordan is a 10, then Kobe and Duncan would each get a 9 in my eyes. If somebody wanted to give Kobe a 9.5 and Duncan a 9, I'd concede to that. On defense, though, Duncan is a 10/10, while Kobe, on hist best night, is only an 8/10, and on a lot of nights is more like a 6 or 7.

Duncan.

Matter.
05-22-2015, 08:28 AM
It's funny how , as bad as Kobe was on defense in the past couple years people still seem to forget that Kobe was regarded as one of the best defenders in the league when he actually earned his honours... But I digress

ManRam
05-22-2015, 08:54 AM
I don't think you can justify a LeBron vote based on this time frame. Not at all. Shaq also fell off too much by the tail end of the decade too. So while his peak probably was better than the other two, he's out as well.

Between Duncan and Kobe for me. It's a toss up. I voted Duncan but looking it over I think Kobe gets the slight nod because of his early-decade team success, even despite those bad seasons he had between championships. Shift this to 2003-2013 and it's easily Duncan. But these arbitrary dates? It's probably Kobe.

2-ONE-5
05-22-2015, 09:34 AM
misread title

DanG
05-22-2015, 10:34 AM
um you can go to any advanced metric site and look at all the individual stats yourself pretty easily... I stated several times that I will do my homework but not at 2 in the morning... When deciding who is the best indiviually rings mean ****.... All defensive teams where guys like harden get votes mean ****. Lebron james has won multiple league MVP awards something Kobe has not and should have won defensive player of the year awards on top of leading lesser skilled teams to the finals time and time again. Individually from 2000-2010 Lebron has been all around better than Kobe and its not even close when you factor in defense.... All defensive player teams mean crap and finishing in the mvp voting doesnt say a ton more when AI won an mvp he didnt deserve because he could score or when Nash won 3.... Sorry to burst your bubble but from 2000-2010 the only thing putting Kobe above guys like KG/Dirk is the fact that he has 5 TEAM championships with a top 5 greatest player of all time something the likes of James/KG/DUNCAN/CP3 and so on never had the likes of.

Advanced stats are ********. LeBron wouldn't even be a top 5 player this season if you only look at them... it's ridiculous. You clearly don't understand what the NBA is about. Every player wants to win badly. It's about stepping up when it matters most. 07-10 Kobe was easily a top 3 player... I'm sorry, but put LeBron on 07-10 Lakers and they wouldn't win ****, it would be like the 2011 finals. LeBron didn't have it back then, sure his advanced stats were better, but it just doesn't work like that. The only player I see winning a ring on 07-10 Lakers team while replacing Kobe is Dwyane Wade. Don't get me wrong LeBron is a phenomenal player and has been the best for the last 5 years, but 10-15 LeBron is miles ahead of 05-10 LeBron. Yes he had a bad supporting cast back then, but he almost won ONE out of four with the best.


To answer the question... it's a toss up between Duncan and Kobe.

NYKalltheway
05-22-2015, 10:42 AM
Tim Duncan. But overall it's Shaq.

Tony_Starks
05-22-2015, 10:48 AM
There was never one season from 2000-2010 where Kobe was the best player that year.... But yes he is the best over the decade.... Logic.

Lmao, 2005-2006 was Kobe's year.. stop the hatred. Any other of those years, he was a top 5 player hands down. James came into the league in 2003 and his rookie year isn't worth mentioning = 4 year absence. Kobe won five rings that decade. Even though James didn't have much of a team, you gotta give credit to Kobe and it is a disgrace some of you discredit him. 2005-2015, no question LeBron was the best player. 1995-2005, easily Shaq. 2000-2010, either Kobe or Duncan.. and Duncan was never the best player any of those years either.


You know what More-Than-Most is what I thought you were. MY BAD. Even though you have some Kobe/ Laker hate in the blood and a little Lebron defending going but at least you don't venture off into illogical blind accomplishment ignoring hate.

But this other fellow, wowzers!

Hawkeye15
05-22-2015, 01:50 PM
LeBron didn't start his dominance until halfway through the decade, Shaq faded the 2nd half of the decade. This would come down to Kobe and Duncan.

Duncan for me. I have Duncan in my all time rankings one tier above Kobe, and they both were in their primes basically the entire decade.

More-Than-Most
05-22-2015, 07:07 PM
Advanced stats are ********. LeBron wouldn't even be a top 5 player this season if you only look at them... it's ridiculous. You clearly don't understand what the NBA is about. Every player wants to win badly. It's about stepping up when it matters most. 07-10 Kobe was easily a top 3 player... I'm sorry, but put LeBron on 07-10 Lakers and they wouldn't win ****, it would be like the 2011 finals. LeBron didn't have it back then, sure his advanced stats were better, but it just doesn't work like that. The only player I see winning a ring on 07-10 Lakers team while replacing Kobe is Dwyane Wade. Don't get me wrong LeBron is a phenomenal player and has been the best for the last 5 years, but 10-15 LeBron is miles ahead of 05-10 LeBron. Yes he had a bad supporting cast back then, but he almost won ONE out of four with the best.


To answer the question... it's a toss up between Duncan and Kobe.

Yes I am the one who doesn't understand when evaluating INDIVIDUAL talent while using something as silly as when it matters most and disregarding the TEAM around said players in situations where it matters most... Gotcha my bad... I wont use such sound logic ever again... I will just use Ringz and even if a player has Shaq and plays mediocre to bad an entire series as long as he makes one big shot the rest of the series doesn't matter.

More-Than-Most
05-22-2015, 07:12 PM
LeBron didn't start his dominance until halfway through the decade, Shaq faded the 2nd half of the decade. This would come down to Kobe and Duncan.

Duncan for me. I have Duncan in my all time rankings one tier above Kobe, and they both were in their primes basically the entire decade.

So consistently being good throughout a 10 year span means more than being great for 6 years of that 10 year span and being the very best in the sport for 4 of those years? So why not KG/Dirk? I usually agree with most of what you say but its not like James was a top 25 players or missed 6 of the 10 years... he played in more than half of the decade and was the best player for almost half the decade... I find much more value in that than being good over a 10 year span.

Tony_Starks
05-22-2015, 07:15 PM
It's funny how , as bad as Kobe was on defense in the past couple years people still seem to forget that Kobe was regarded as one of the best defenders in the league when he actually earned his honours... But I digress

The fact at he was actually able to defend the other teams best scorer for the entire game, not just in spurts or switches, AND still put up anywhere from 20 to 50 on any given night for years is pretty ridiculous in itself. We see the toll defending Harden is having on Klay offensively and its only been two games.

But anyways, like you said I digress......

TDE
05-22-2015, 07:17 PM
00-2010 Clearly Belongs to Kobe & Duncan. I wish the Media had built up a rivalry more between the 2.

GREATNESS ONE
05-22-2015, 07:18 PM
Kobe & Duncan.

Hands down.

TDE
05-22-2015, 07:34 PM
People choosing Duncan over Kobe or vice versa are reaching and more than likely have an agenda. It's just like you cant put Bird and Magic over the other.

Bird and Magic = 8 Championshis, 5 Finals MVP's, 6 MVP's, 18 All NBA team, 3 All Defensive, 24 All-star teams

Kobe & Duncan = 10 Championships, 5 Finals MVP's, 3 MVP's, 21 All NBA team, 17 All Defensive, 32 All-star teams.

dnl123
05-22-2015, 07:49 PM
This is tough. I don't think I can choose one specific player. If I absolutely had to I would choose Duncan.

jerellh528
05-22-2015, 07:57 PM
If you would've asked this in 2010 or 2011 I think Kobe wins this in a land slide. The recent success of Duncan winning a ring last year has obviously swayed a lot of people along with Kobe having not played any good basketball for a few years. Same for Lebron, I think majority considered him the best player from around 09/10-13, with kd taking last year and curry this year, but not the 00s.

More-Than-Most
05-22-2015, 08:18 PM
If you would've asked this in 2010 or 2011 I think Kobe wins this in a land slide. The recent success of Duncan winning a ring last year has obviously swayed a lot of people along with Kobe having not played any good basketball for a few years. Same for Lebron, I think majority considered him the best player from around 09/10-13, with kd taking last year and curry this year, but not the 00s.

This is honestly good thinking and factual

Matter.
05-22-2015, 08:20 PM
If you would've asked this in 2010 or 2011 I think Kobe wins this in a land slide. The recent success of Duncan winning a ring last year has obviously swayed a lot of people along with Kobe having not played any good basketball for a few years. Same for Lebron, I think majority considered him the best player from around 09/10-13, with kd taking last year and curry this year, but not the 00s.

The recent success of Duncan would be past the time of what the OP is asking ..

ManRam
05-22-2015, 08:33 PM
This is honestly good thinking and factual

I did a double take with this post too. The only problem with his post is an unimportant one: the answer to this question shouldn't change between 2010 and now. Duncan's recent superiority doesn't impact the OP's question. Usually the problems are greater ;)

FlashBolt
05-23-2015, 06:46 AM
I love how Kobe fans actually use their brain when it's to defend Kobe against anyone but LeBron but when it comes down to Kobe vs LeBron, it's almost as if they are on some really high quality drugs.

NYKalltheway
05-23-2015, 11:25 AM
I don't get why Lebron is here.

I'd pick Wade and Nowitzki over him in this time span. Lebron had only a couple of amazing seasons [ie best in the league] in this period. 2009 and 2010.

One could even argue about Nash, Kidd, Garnett and even T-Mac over Lebron and I'm not sure if he was the best in his position in this decade. But obviously he's top 10 in the period. Just a reminder as people don't seem to understand that time frame given: he was a top level (ie top 5 in the league) player for less than half of that decade.
2010- that's another story. Clear #1 so far.

BKdoubleStacker
05-23-2015, 12:34 PM
Jesus Christ MTM is the worst poster on this forum

archdevil84
05-23-2015, 12:49 PM
wade

Ebbs
05-23-2015, 01:21 PM
It's a good question.

I'd say Duncan accomplished the most.
I'd say LeBron was the best overall over the time period.
I'd say Kobe was the medium.
I'd say Shaq was most dominant over a three year span.

LeBron would probably get my vote but he hadn't been at his best by 2010.

sep11ie
05-23-2015, 02:08 PM
How could it be Lebron thru 2010 when he had no titles yet?

Cause of his limited HCA.

xbrackattackx
05-23-2015, 03:17 PM
http://thepaintedarea.blogspot.com/2009/09/nba-decade-2000s-players.html?m=1

This was a decent read.

curtcocaine
05-23-2015, 03:57 PM
Shaq, Duncan, Kobe and KG

#TheDude
05-23-2015, 08:49 PM
If we're simply talking about "the best player", it's got to be Kobe. Duncan wasn't ever the best player in the league, he just had great team success year in and year out and was the best PF but never the best of the league. Shaq was more 1995-2005, and KG was a monster on those Wolves but Kobe was great each and every year if we are talking about 2000-2010

Raps08-09 Champ
05-23-2015, 08:51 PM
Has to be Duncan due to his individual and team success.

Corey
05-23-2015, 09:02 PM
How could it be Lebron thru 2010 when he had no titles yet?

Best player doesnt always win a ring.

You know better.

Andrew32
05-24-2015, 02:36 PM
First of all the 00 decade is from 00-09 (10 years)
I think this is between Kobe & Duncan

Shaq had about 3-4 years where he was better then Kobe ever was (00-03) but as others have mentioned he really fell off from 07-09 so I am not sure he has a really strong case here.
He might but I would need to think it over more. For right now I will leave him out.

00 - Kobe (Duncan injured)
01 - Duncan
02 - Duncan
03 - Duncan
04 - Duncan
05 - Duncan
06 - Kobe
07 - Duncan (debatable)
08 - Kobe
09 - Kobe

Duncan was considerably better in the early 00's.
Kobe was considerably better from 08-09.
Duncan won 3 titles in that span (all in a leading role)
Kobe won 4 titles in that span (1 or 2 in a leading role or as a Super-Star level player [01 + 09])

Overall I am leaning towards Duncan but I haven't yet decided.

Lebron doesn't really have a case here.
He was only a highly relevant guy from 06-09. That is only 4/10 years.
No way you take that over a nearly full decade from Duncan or Kobe.

Jamiecballer
05-24-2015, 02:47 PM
duncan/james/garnett/bryant

PowerHouse
05-24-2015, 03:14 PM
First of all the 00 decade is from 00-09 (10 years)
I think this is between Kobe & Duncan



This was mentioned in the opening post.

Ty Fast
05-24-2015, 09:35 PM
Who was best in their prime.... Shaq
Better for the decade.... Kobe

LakerShow
05-24-2015, 09:37 PM
Kobe Bryant.

GREATNESS ONE
05-24-2015, 10:19 PM
:laugh2: wow, some of you guys.

Bruno
05-24-2015, 11:10 PM
I don't think you can justify a LeBron vote based on this time frame. Not at all. Shaq also fell off too much by the tail end of the decade too. So while his peak probably was better than the other two, he's out as well.

Between Duncan and Kobe for me. It's a toss up. I voted Duncan but looking it over I think Kobe gets the slight nod because of his early-decade team success, even despite those bad seasons he had between championships. Shift this to 2003-2013 and it's easily Duncan. But these arbitrary dates? It's probably Kobe.

my thoughts as well i'm just glad someone who isn't a known Laker homer like myself suggested it first.

flea
05-24-2015, 11:12 PM
Anyone who says Lebron didn't watch basketball for most of the decade, or any.

Bruno
05-24-2015, 11:14 PM
for fun, the only Duncan/Kobe playoff match up that ever happened without Shaqs involvement was the 2008 WCF, when the Spurs were looking to repeat. I know the Spurs have done some amazing things recently, but we shouldn't erase that late 2000's image of the Spurs from our heads (the squads from 2008-2011 who got knocked out by the Lakers, Mavs, Suns and Grizzlies). they were aging out before they brilliantly swindled Leonard from Larry Bird. Kobe appeared to be a superior player to Duncan in that time.

Kobe was brilliant that series. Over five games he averaged 29.2, 5.6, 3.8 on 53% from the field and 90% from the line. And that wasn't even his best all time series against San Antonio. see 2001, pre Bruce Bowen.

lol, please
05-25-2015, 01:34 AM
Kobe Bryant.
:clap:

Andrew32
05-25-2015, 12:45 PM
Kobe was brilliant that series. Over five games he averaged 29.2, 5.6, 3.8 on 53% from the field and 90% from the line. And that wasn't even his best all time series against San Antonio. see 2001, pre Bruce Bowen.

I think that 2008 series was arguably his most impressive VS the Spurs.
Yeah he put up better raw numbers against them in 2001 but he did it against horrific defenders and against a team defense that was focused mainly on Shaq.

Doing what he did in 2008 while being the main focus and while facing a better perimeter defense was pretty special.

Anyway.
Looking at the series they played against eachother.

Duncan won the h2h matchup in 99, 02, 03
Bryant won the h2h matchup in 01, 04, 08

Bruno
05-25-2015, 02:21 PM
I think that 2008 series was arguably his most impressive VS the Spurs.
Yeah he put up better raw numbers against them in 2001 but he did it against horrific defenders and against a team defense that was focused mainly on Shaq. I don't know, 2001 was special. In 2001 the Spurs were 1st in SRS and 1st in defensive rating. Kobe averaged 33/7/7 on 51% from the field, averaging 42 minutes per game with a collective +89 in +/- over the four game sweep. they didn't have Bowen but the Spurs were still first in defensive rating. i tend to not dismiss 2001 on the grounds that he did it against a horrific defense. it could be the best series of his career, it was the defacto NBA finals of 2001.


Doing what he did in 2008 while being the main focus and while facing a better perimeter defense was pretty special.
it was but Pau and the rest of the guys were great too. the 2008 Spurs were 3rd in defensive rating but Bowen was on his last legs. but that was is special for Kobe in the sense that Shaq wasn't there.



Duncan won the h2h matchup in 99, 02, 03
Bryant won the h2h matchup in 01, 04, 08
02? what do you mean by this? I know Kobe is 4-2 against Duncan all time in the post-season.

cahawk
05-25-2015, 03:02 PM
kobe has never been the best player in any year.
Got to go with Duncan or Lebron.

jerellh528
05-25-2015, 03:20 PM
I wish there was a way to search psd's annual top 10 player list since yr 2000.

PowerHouse
05-27-2015, 12:45 AM
kobe has never been the best player in any year.
Got to go with Duncan or Lebron.

But Duncan was? Which year?

FlashBolt
05-27-2015, 01:00 AM
But Duncan was? Which year?

Yeah, I was confused by that one. leBron shouldn't even be an option. He really didn't solidify his career until the 2010-2014 years despite him probably being the best player to never win a ring before 2011. Duncan or Kobe for me because in 2000-2009, they were still huge players. Can't say the same for Shaq, KG, and Dirk in the same breath as Duncan/Kobe. I give it to Kobe and quite easily.

effen5
05-27-2015, 01:01 AM
Kobe Shaq or duncan. No particular order.

effen5
05-27-2015, 01:02 AM
2010 to 2020 will be lebron tho.

FlashBolt
05-27-2015, 01:04 AM
2010 to 2020 will be lebron tho.

Judging by his five seasons thus far, he's probably a lock for it. No other NBA player has done what he has done for these five seasons... truly astonishing when you look at the things he has achieved (even though he lost in the Finals twice). Olympics, MVP's, leading multiple teams to the Finals as the best player, leading his team to the 2nd longest winning streak, leading his team to the Finals four straight times with the Heat, leading the Cavs to the NBA Finals after they suffered the worst four years in any basketball franchise. Only guy who can change that will be Kevin Durant IMO. Other guys just started way too late.

PowerHouse
05-27-2015, 01:34 AM
2010 to 2020 will be lebron tho.

This could be true.

Only guy who could possibly challenge him on that would be Curry. But Curry would need to be un-****ing-believable for the rest of the decade and Lebron would need to decline, which he really hasnt yet aside from the 1st half this year.

L8kers4life
05-27-2015, 01:39 AM
Judging by his five seasons thus far, he's probably a lock for it. No other NBA player has done what he has done for these five seasons... truly astonishing when you look at the things he has achieved (even though he lost in the Finals twice). Olympics, MVP's, leading multiple teams to the Finals as the best player, leading his team to the 2nd longest winning streak, leading his team to the Finals four straight times with the Heat, leading the Cavs to the NBA Finals after they suffered the worst four years in any basketball franchise. Only guy who can change that will be Kevin Durant IMO. Other guys just started way too late.

LeBron probably has it from 2007 to 2020 at this rate, his decline numbers will be better than some Hall of Famers career numbers..

FlashBolt
05-27-2015, 01:47 AM
There is zero chance Curry comes out on top for 2010-2020. You have to look at the fact that he didn't achieve anything for four of those years (like Bron didn't achieve anything for the four years 2000-2004). Have we seen a greater five year period in NBA basketball than what Bron achieved from 2010-2015? What didn't he win besides the DPOY (which he came very close to, second place). I'd say Durant is the only logical individual. Still at his prime till 2020, was dominating from 2010-onwards (except this season), scoring titles, MVP's, he's got it all collected as well.

nastynice
05-27-2015, 01:47 AM
well, given the specific timeline, I really can't see any argument for shaq or lebron. It comes down to kobe and duncan, and Kobe gets the clear nod from me :nod:

had you said 95-05 i'd say shaq, or 05-15 i'd say lebron

FlashBolt
05-27-2015, 01:50 AM
LeBron probably has it from 2007 to 2020 at this rate, his decline numbers will be better than some Hall of Famers career numbers..

He'll probably end his career (if he plays till 2020) with averages of 22-8-8. The best part of Bron is his athleticism and physique. That slows down tenfold when you get older. He's not a great shooter so that's why Kobe's longevity will beat Bron's. Still, if he can play till 2020, that would be amazing. Another storied career in the books and we're going to be missing a legend when he's gone.

nastynice
05-27-2015, 01:50 AM
kobe has never been the best player in any year.


what the hell. Dude was repeatedly the best player in the league!! Or we could at least say, ARGUABLY the best player

PowerHouse
05-27-2015, 01:55 AM
There is zero chance Curry comes out on top for 2010-2020. You have to look at the fact that he didn't achieve anything for four of those years (like Bron didn't achieve anything for the four years 2000-2004). Have we seen a greater five year period in NBA basketball than what Bron achieved from 2010-2015? What didn't he win besides the DPOY (which he came very close to, second place). I'd say Durant is the only logical individual. Still at his prime till 2020, was dominating from 2010-onwards (except this season), scoring titles, MVP's, he's got it all collected as well.

I was also going to mention Durant but his chances are pretty slim too especially if he has another injury-plagued year. Lebron pretty much has it locked for this decade.

slashsnake
05-27-2015, 05:13 AM
what the hell. Dude was repeatedly the best player in the league!! Or we could at least say, ARGUABLY the best player

I'd say top 5 every single year of the decade. Had an argument for best for 1-2 of those years. Duncan I'd say top 5 for the first 8 or so years, top 10 the last couple. Had an argument for best player 2-4 of those years.

Neither would be a bad choice.

jimm120
05-27-2015, 06:42 AM
These kind of polls always alienate people like Shaquille. He's 95-06 domination.

Oh well. If we're talking about that specific timeline, we have to go with Kobe or Duncan.

Lebron from 2003-2005 was meh good. 2007-2010 was great, but not having that team success.

I hate Kobe and I hate Duncan....but Duncan's consistency has to count for something.