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lamzoka
04-17-2015, 05:28 PM
2015-16: $67.1 millions, tax $81.6 millions


2016-17: 89 millions, tax 108 millions


2017-18: $108 millions, tax $127 millions





http://www.blazersedge.com/2015/4/17/8447785/nba-salary-cap-projections-2015-2016-2017-2018-luxury-tax

nickdymez
04-17-2015, 05:29 PM
oh ****. can you say lockout?

lamzoka
04-17-2015, 05:31 PM
I dont think any top tier free agents will actually sign a max deal this summer. I expect to see a lot of 2 years deal with the second year being player option.

KG2TB
04-17-2015, 05:37 PM
oh ****. can you say lockout?

That's what I was thinking.

tredigs
04-17-2015, 05:49 PM
What's the link?

Wow if true. 7+ year vet maxes in 2017/18 are going to be 40+ million a year contracts. You're going to see a chunk of mid tier young players (a step below the Parsons/Hayward line) get 5 year max contracts this off-season, and LMA + Gasol will be signing 1-2 year deals, and Griffin/Westbrook/Curry are getting PAID in 2018. 200 million dollar contracts yowza.

North Yorker
04-17-2015, 05:51 PM
Yea, any marquee FA this summer is gonna have player options in their max deal so they can opt out and get more money.

lamzoka
04-17-2015, 05:52 PM
What's the link?

Wow if true. 7+ year vet maxes in 2017/18 are going to be 40+ million a year contracts. You're going to see a chunk of mid tier young players (a step below the Parsons/Hayward line) get 5 year max contracts this off-season, and LMA + Gasol will be signing 1-2 year deals, and Griffin/Westbrook/Curry are getting PAID in 2018. 200 million dollar contracts yowza.

its all over twitter and ESPN

http://www.blazersedge.com/2015/4/17/8447785/nba-salary-cap-projections-2015-2016-2017-2018-luxury-tax

Slug3
04-17-2015, 05:52 PM
Damn can you imagine being a bench player in the 80/90s and seeing these figures come out?

Quinnsanity
04-17-2015, 05:58 PM
Max Year 1 Salaries under these numbers (excluding the 105% rule):

2015:

1-6 years of experience: $16,775,000

7-9 years of experience: $20,130,000

10+ years of experience: $23,485,000

2016:

1-6 years of experience: $22,500,000

7-9 years of experience: $26,700,000

10+ years of experience: $31,500,000

2017:

1-6 years of experience: $27,000,000

7-9 years of experience: $32,400,000

10+ years of experience: $37,800,000

Also keep in mind:

- Michele Roberts, the new union head, is incredibly aggressive and loves airing out dirty negotiation laundry in public.

- Adam Silver currently has more political capital among most fans than pretty much any commissioner in the history of sports.

- The players got absolutely destroyed on the last CBA.

- The players and owners are diametrically opposed on almost every single logistical issue (season-length, age-minimum, etc...).

- The players are diametrically opposed within their own ranks on how to approach several key issues (most notably, the LeBron James/Chris Paul group leading superstars in pushing for the elimination of maximum salaries and the rest of the union, much greater in number but weaker in stature, fighting against it).

So yea, we are almost assuredly heading for a messy lockout. The players will not be able to negotiate as a united front yet they were beaten so badly last time that they will accept nothing less than a victory in these negotiations, but the owners have a beloved commissioner and skyrocketing player salaries that the majority of fans will look at only in terms of the raw amount rather than percentage of BRI, giving the owners pretty much all of the leverage, especially when Roberts starts taking things public and hurting her stance even more. The average NBA salary under this model will be around $8.3 million, what is she going to do, cry poverty to a largely lower-class fan base? This one is going to get really messy, really quickly.

DillyDill
04-17-2015, 06:51 PM
Wow that's insane can't wait to see the contracts dealt out

Saddletramp
04-17-2015, 07:35 PM
Max Year 1 Salaries under these numbers (excluding the 105% rule):

2015:

1-6 years of experience: $16,775,000

7-9 years of experience: $20,130,000

10+ years of experience: $23,485,000

2016:

1-6 years of experience: $22,500,000

7-9 years of experience: $26,700,000

10+ years of experience: $31,500,000

2017:

1-6 years of experience: $27,000,000

7-9 years of experience: $32,400,000

10+ years of experience: $37,800,000

Also keep in mind:

- Michele Roberts, the new union head, is incredibly aggressive and loves airing out dirty negotiation laundry in public.

- Adam Silver currently has more political capital among most fans than pretty much any commissioner in the history of sports.

- The players got absolutely destroyed on the last CBA.

- The players and owners are diametrically opposed on almost every single logistical issue (season-length, age-minimum, etc...).

- The players are diametrically opposed within their own ranks on how to approach several key issues (most notably, the LeBron James/Chris Paul group leading superstars in pushing for the elimination of maximum salaries and the rest of the union, much greater in number but weaker in stature, fighting against it).

So yea, we are almost assuredly heading for a messy lockout. The players will not be able to negotiate as a united front yet they were beaten so badly last time that they will accept nothing less than a victory in these negotiations, but the owners have a beloved commissioner and skyrocketing player salaries that the majority of fans will look at only in terms of the raw amount rather than percentage of BRI, giving the owners pretty much all of the leverage, especially when Roberts starts taking things public and hurting her stance even more. The average NBA salary under this model will be around $8.3 million, what is she going to do, cry poverty to a largely lower-class fan base? This one is going to get really messy, really quickly.

As for the bolded, winning will be all about coaching/system if max salaries are axed. Expect more teams like Atlanta/SAS with their systems and OKC, who drafted well. LeBron and CP3 and those guys are trying to ruin the NBA for years to come but they don't care because they'll get their last pay check, still have decent nuthuggers hanging on to help them and since there's only 30 teams, it's not like 60 guys are going to be getting $50+ million a year.

If nothing else, cap the rookie contracts still, restricted max should stay around $15M/year and vet max should still be around $30 to $40 million and forget about the years of service and percentage of last year's salary and all that. You get rookie wages for 3-4 years, restricted $15 max for 3-4 years then the cap at $30-$40 for the rest of you're career if you're on that top level.

Clippersfan86
04-17-2015, 07:50 PM
This will MASSIVELY change the landscape of basketball. Teams that still have superstars on say 3 years left like Griffin/Paul for us, can afford FOUR max players. So Clippers can feasibly max DJ and THEN still max another one.

MrfadeawayJB
04-18-2015, 10:16 AM
The players don't need anymore $. Use the tv money to do something else positive for the league.

jmartin80
04-18-2015, 10:47 AM
The players don't need anymore $. Use the tv money to do something else positive for the league.

I could not agree more. Money in professional sports has gotten out of control IMO. For everyone involved, players and owners etc.

LakersIn5
04-18-2015, 11:28 AM
Yes! Something that i hope benefits the lakers and other big market teams

nycericanguy
04-18-2015, 11:59 AM
This will MASSIVELY change the landscape of basketball. Teams that still have superstars on say 3 years left like Griffin/Paul for us, can afford FOUR max players. So Clippers can feasibly max DJ and THEN still max another one.

lol you always act like everything benefits the clippers...this just means EVERY team will have massive cap space...and players can choose almost any team for 2-3 years until things get back to normal.

Don't CP3 and Blake have opt outs in 2017? if they are still star level they will def opt out to get a big payday... especially Blake... CP3 will be older so he might just take the $25m option. after resigning DJ, clips don't figure to have much, if any cap space when the cap jumps in 2016.

DarkKnight
04-18-2015, 12:00 PM
Phil Jackson licking his lips

Clippersfan86
04-19-2015, 10:17 AM
lol you always act like everything benefits the clippers...this just means EVERY team will have massive cap space...and players can choose almost any team for 2-3 years until things get back to normal.

Don't CP3 and Blake have opt outs in 2017? if they are still star level they will def opt out to get a big payday... especially Blake... CP3 will be older so he might just take the $25m option. after resigning DJ, clips don't figure to have much, if any cap space when the cap jumps in 2016.

Paul does, not Griffin. It will only affect a few select teams with superstars on old contracts for 2+ more years. Westbrook, Griffin etc. Imagine teams like the Thunder and Clippers having room for another max guy?

So no, not every team will benefit. Teams that suck right now with cap space like the Knicks won't benefit one bit. Players likely won't rush to play for a lotto team with the salary bump coming and when it kicks in you'd only be able to afford maybe 2 max guys. The key is ALREADY having maxed superstars from 63 million dollar cap.

nycericanguy
04-19-2015, 10:41 AM
Paul does, not Griffin. It will only affect a few select teams with superstars on old contracts for 2+ more years. Westbrook, Griffin etc. Imagine teams like the Thunder and Clippers having room for another max guy?

So no, not every team will benefit. Teams that suck right now with cap space like the Knicks won't benefit one bit. Players likely won't rush to play for a lotto team with the salary bump coming and when it kicks in you'd only be able to afford maybe 2 max guys. The key is ALREADY having maxed superstars from 63 million dollar cap.

Blake has an opt out too, same year as CP3.

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/los-angeles-clippers/yearly/cap/
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/la_clippers.htm

And really? How would the Knicks not benefit? They can use all their $26m+ cap space this year and still have MAX cap again next year with the cap going up... that's not a benefit?...lol

by the time DJ resigns Clips won't have much, if any cap... and if Blake opts out for a bigger deal, which he likely will considering he'll be in his prime, then there likely won't be much cap in 2017 either for the Clips.

Clippersfan86
04-19-2015, 10:53 AM
Nonetheless their opt outs are 1 off season after the cap nearly doubles correct? It may benefit other teams in smaller ways but not quite as much as the loophole I'm describing.

nycericanguy
04-19-2015, 10:57 AM
Nonetheless their opt outs are 1 off season after the cap nearly doubles correct? It may benefit other teams in smear ways but not quite the loophole I'm describing.

Loophole?...lol... that's no loophole, you're just creating something in your head.

Cap will be 108 when their opt outs are due. CP3 likely at 32 isn't opting out of 25m

25m.
Blake 30m
DJ 22m

thats already 77m on 3 players, unless the CLips dont sign anyone in the next 2 years they are unlikely to have max cap in 2017-18.. not to mention Hawes has a $6m player option.

alexander_37
04-19-2015, 11:09 AM
Lol how is this good for anyone they go off of percentages. No your favourite team will not have 4 max players stop being delusional. If they do it wont be 4 players who are worth it anyways. If anything this will hurt basketball.

sep11ie
04-19-2015, 11:24 AM
So now it'll take these morons like 6 years to go broke instead of 3...

Vinylman
04-19-2015, 02:00 PM
This will MASSIVELY change the landscape of basketball. Teams that still have superstars on say 3 years left like Griffin/Paul for us, can afford FOUR max players. So Clippers can feasibly max DJ and THEN still max another one.

sure... except both those 2 guys only have 2 years under contract after this year because that third year is a player option they will opt out of... your excitement could lead to getting ****ed if they demand 30-40 million each...

Cal827
04-19-2015, 02:10 PM
oh ****. can you say lockout?

This, we are probably going to see a year + lockout after these seasons :laugh2:

Clippersfan86
04-19-2015, 02:12 PM
Loophole?...lol... that's no loophole, you're just creating something in your head.

Cap will be 108 when their opt outs are due. CP3 likely at 32 isn't opting out of 25m

25m.
Blake 30m
DJ 22m

thats already 77m on 3 players, unless the CLips dont sign anyone in the next 2 years they are unlikely to have max cap in 2017-18.. not to mention Hawes has a $6m player option.

Clippers only will have 4 guys locked up when cap jumps to 90 million a year BEFORE opt out. Barnes and Crawford options THIS year. Griffin/DJ/Hawes/CP3 will still leave 15+ mill before 108 jump?

If it's 77 like you said that leaves 13 mill. That's a first time max amount. At very worst Clippers can get a real nice starting SF

Vinylman
04-19-2015, 02:21 PM
Clippers only will have 4 guys locked up when cap jumps to 90 million a year BEFORE opt out. Barnes and Crawford options THIS year. Griffin/DJ/Hawes/CP3 will still leave 15+ mill before 108 jump?

If it's 77 like you said that leaves 13 mill. That's a first time max amount. At very worst Clippers can get a real nice starting SF

you are making so many assumptions based on the current structure of the CBA. the next CBA will look nothing like the current one... just like the current one looks nothing like the prior one...

time will tell but alot can happen in the next 2 years before the next CBA but one this is for sure... the clipps have zero cap flexibility the next 2 years if they max DJ... ZERO

sep11ie
04-19-2015, 02:50 PM
you are making so many assumptions based on the current structure of the CBA. the next CBA will look nothing like the current one... just like the current one looks nothing like the prior one...

time will tell but alot can happen in the next 2 years before the next CBA but one this is for sure... the clipps have zero cap flexibility the next 2 years if they max DJ... ZERO

Don't tell him that! If the Clipps put their minds to it, they can do ANYTHING!!!!!

nycericanguy
04-19-2015, 04:46 PM
Clippers only will have 4 guys locked up when cap jumps to 90 million a year BEFORE opt out. Barnes and Crawford options THIS year. Griffin/DJ/Hawes/CP3 will still leave 15+ mill before 108 jump?

If it's 77 like you said that leaves 13 mill. That's a first time max amount. At very worst Clippers can get a real nice starting SF

that's not including Hawes, and you do realize when the cap goes up so does the MAX right? 13m will be just over the MLE when the cap is at 108. Even now the first time max is going to be over $15m this summer, when the cap is 108m that first time max will be over $20m.

dude we get it, the CLippers will have some extra money to play with, just like EVERY OTHER TEAM...lol. You are trying to make some argument that this benefits the clippers more because you are a clipper fan...

but if anything this will hurt them as Blake is likely to opt out for a supermax deal approaching $30m per year.

kobe4thewinbang
04-19-2015, 07:26 PM
So, I take it the NBA is doing better than in years past?

NYSpirit1
04-19-2015, 07:50 PM
This will MASSIVELY change the landscape of basketball. Teams that still have superstars on say 3 years left like Griffin/Paul for us, can afford FOUR max players. So Clippers can feasibly max DJ and THEN still max another one.

No, it's all relative. If the cap is going up, the salaries are going up, which means mid-range players will be making $15-20 million, not $7.5 million.

Nothing will really change. Your top guy will just be making $35 million instead of $22 million. You'll still only have room for two or three maxes unless you want the whole rest of your team to suck.

NYSpirit1
04-19-2015, 07:52 PM
The Sixers are probably in the best position out of everyone in basketball though. All their first round rookies will make up a fraction of the cap and then they can max three players on top of that.

So Embiid, Noel, this year's first, FIVE first rounders next year and then 3 maxes... :eyebrow:

Cal827
04-19-2015, 08:47 PM
The Sixers are probably in the best position out of everyone in basketball though. All their first round rookies will make up a fraction of the cap and then they can max three players on top of that.

So Embiid, Noel, this year's first, FIVE first rounders next year and then 3 maxes... :eyebrow:

Add on that they can spend extra to keep their players.....

:laugh: It will really become a Dynasty-or-Historical Bust situation.

mike_noodles
04-19-2015, 09:32 PM
Add on that they can spend extra to keep their players.....

:laugh: It will really become a Dynasty-or-Historical Bust situation.

It really could go either way too.

But looking at it from a glass half full side. They have so many options. If even two of the players listed and/or the upcoming 7 draft picks turn out to be plus players, wow, they can be scary good. But that's a long ways away, they have lots of time to completely screw it up too.

TylerSL
04-19-2015, 11:25 PM
I'm all for players getting their money because god knows the owners are doing better than ever. The value of NBA franchises have been rising this fast for 2-3 years now and the players are only starting to see that money. In the next CBA, the NBA should get rid of the max contract, don't cap how much a player can make. However at the same time multi-year contracts that are signed in year 1 should be not be fully guaranteed throughout the length of the deal because if a team commits a ton of resources and the player doesn't produce, the team shouldn't be forced to commit a huge portion of it's budget to the player. Allow teams to guarantee part of the contract so like someone like Lebron could sign 3 years 80 million with like 42 million guaranteed. NBA Franchises should be allowed to cut a player who isn't playing up to his contract so they can have options moving forward.

The NBA free agency system needs to be like the NFL's. Set the current luxury tax as the hard cap and impose severe penalties for going over and allow players to get their true market value. By setting a max salary you are giving every pretty good player that reaches free agency something to aim at. It's why everyone starts free agency demanding the max. Get rid of let, let teams build their rosters with a hard cap that nobody will go over and that will set the market for players. I would also set a minimum salary that is 3 or 4% of the hard cap so the 15th man on the roster isn't making like 100 thousand or something. Rookie salaries wouldn't be altered the minimum salary would only be for unrestricted free agents, kind of like a higher veteran minimum.