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ewing
03-18-2015, 11:16 PM
Normally guys who get credit for defense are stat monsters, very good overall players, or role guys on great teams. who are the best defenders that you feel never really got credit for it? Greg Anthony was a phenomenal defender, unfortunately he couldn't hit the side of a barn with a jump shot when on the knicks and was lost to injury shortly after learning how make the disgusting looking jumper drop. Lindsey Hunter was another, great pressure defender with an insane length, just seems to have played for some bad teams

Bostonjorge
03-18-2015, 11:45 PM
Jarred Jeffries was a good defender but had no offense.

Tony_Starks
03-18-2015, 11:45 PM
Joe Dumars doesn't get as much props as he should. Sheed also was a great defender of the 4 and 5 but people mostly remember his offense ( one of few players to get both 100 blocks and 100 3's in a season).

ewing
03-19-2015, 12:01 AM
Joe Dumars doesn't get as much props as he should. Sheed also was a great defender of the 4 and 5 but people mostly remember his offense ( one of few players to get both 100 blocks and 100 3's in a season).

i actually think both those guys get props for their D.

Tony_Starks
03-19-2015, 12:06 AM
Joe Dumars doesn't get as much props as he should. Sheed also was a great defender of the 4 and 5 but people mostly remember his offense ( one of few players to get both 100 blocks and 100 3's in a season).

i actually think both those guys get props for their D.

I've heard people say Dumars D on MJ was "overrated." I'm like damn its MJ, what do you want from him?

Clippersfan86
03-19-2015, 12:37 AM
Dennis Johnson. One of the greatest perimeter defenders of all time, but doesn't come up in the discussions much.

ewing
03-19-2015, 12:46 AM
Dennis Johnson. One of the greatest perimeter defenders of all time, but doesn't come up in the discussions much.

DJ is in the Hall and made 9 all defense teams i dont mean to be a dick but he doesn't count.

PurpleLynch
03-19-2015, 06:00 AM
That guy who blocked MJ 4 times...Reggie Lewis? I can't remember,he played for the Celtics for sure,that's all I remember. And he died young.

Michael Cooper was probably the best defender of the Lakers with KAJ in the Showtime era(and he won a lot of awards for that,but he's always forgotten).

I loved Camby in his prime,he was a real force defensevely in the paint.

Mark Eaton is cheating,but I think he is another great shotblocker(statistically the best shotblocker of all time) and he is forgotten too imo.

None of these players are in the Hof I think.

KnicksorBust
03-19-2015, 06:25 AM
In the league currently:

PG - Langston Galloway
SG - Khris Middleton
SF - Michael Kidd - Gilchrist
PF - David West
C - Andrew Bogut

goingfor28
03-19-2015, 06:59 AM
Quentin Ross

ewing
03-19-2015, 08:38 AM
In the league currently:

PG - Langston Galloway
SG - Khris Middleton
SF - Michael Kidd - Gilchrist
PF - David West
C - Andrew Bogut

West and MKG real very good looks. I actually think MKG is a top shelf defender. game changer.

ewing
03-19-2015, 08:49 AM
I also like Caldwell-Pope a lot- though i haven't seen a lot of him this year

D-Leethal
03-19-2015, 10:55 AM
I don't think Bogut gets enough props Nationally for his D. Seems he gets it from Dubs fans and your die hards here but thats about it.

Lindsey Hunter was the best full court pressure defender I have ever seen because I was like 6-8 years old during Gary Payton's prime.

Not a shutdown defender by any means, but I don't think Kyle Korver gets any credit for his ability to defend individually and schematically because he is a white shooter. He uses his ability to change directions and navigate screens on offense to his benefit defensively and has contributed big minutes to some tremendous defensive teams.

BKdoubleStacker
03-19-2015, 11:48 AM
Afflalo
Lowry
Diaw

BKdoubleStacker
03-19-2015, 11:49 AM
I don't think Bogut gets enough props Nationally for his D. Seems he gets it from Dubs fans and your die hards here but thats about it.

Lindsey Hunter was the best full court pressure defender I have ever seen because I was like 6-8 years old during Gary Payton's prime.

Not a shutdown defender by any means, but I don't think Kyle Korver gets any credit for hisk ability to defend individually and schematically because he is a white shooter. He uses his ability to change directions and navigate screens on offense to his benefit defensively and has contributed big minutes to some tremendous defensive teams.

Really? I think most people know bogut is primarily a defender even in Milwaukee and especially now

D-Leethal
03-19-2015, 01:19 PM
Really? I think most people know bogut is primarily a defender even in Milwaukee and especially now

"A defender" yes, a top 3 defensive anchor? I don't hear him brought up at all.

Sactown
03-19-2015, 01:25 PM
"A defender" yes, a top 3 defensive anchor? I don't hear him brought up at all.

Probably because he misses so much time and plays in limited minutes, when he plays he's great but there are definitely quite a few centers I would pick ahead of him for pure defensive purposes of I was building a team simply because I don't trust that he'll play 60 games or be around for the playoffs after a long season

KnicksorBust
03-19-2015, 02:31 PM
"A defender" yes, a top 3 defensive anchor? I don't hear him brought up at all.

Yup. That's why my list is so good. I thought you'd back me up on Galloway not Bogut. :laugh:

Hawkeye15
03-19-2015, 02:57 PM
I don't think Bogut gets enough props Nationally for his D. Seems he gets it from Dubs fans and your die hards here but thats about it.

Lindsey Hunter was the best full court pressure defender I have ever seen because I was like 6-8 years old during Gary Payton's prime.

Not a shutdown defender by any means, but I don't think Kyle Korver gets any credit for his ability to defend individually and schematically because he is a white shooter. He uses his ability to change directions and navigate screens on offense to his benefit defensively and has contributed big minutes to some tremendous defensive teams.

exactly who I came in this thread to post.

Chronz
03-19-2015, 03:25 PM
These defenders are unheralded because they don't impact defenses much. But i still enjoy watching them enhance superb defenses. Mike James and Lindsey Hunter were a joy to watch when they were anchored by the Wallaces. Stacey Augman never got the credit he deserved, i think he was a much better defender than the likes of Midget Dumars. I love the qross shout out, one of myfavorite clippers ever. Trenton Hassell was another guy

KnicksorBust
03-19-2015, 07:41 PM
Since no one else will say him, Xavier "X-Man" McDaniel.

Hawkeye15
03-19-2015, 08:05 PM
These defenders are unheralded because they don't impact defenses much. But i still enjoy watching them enhance superb defenses. Mike James and Lindsey Hunter were a joy to watch when they were anchored by the Wallaces. Stacey Augman never got the credit he deserved, i think he was a much better defender than the likes of Midget Dumars. I love the qross shout out, one of myfavorite clippers ever. Trenton Hassell was another guy

Augmon reminded me somewhat of Alvin Robertson defensively.

Tony_Starks
03-19-2015, 09:40 PM
Larry Hughes was a helluva wing defender that never gets mentioned....

HeatFan
03-19-2015, 09:44 PM
exactly who I came in this thread to post.

Didn't come in to post about Hunter but I remember him being just an absolute pest even on inbound passes full court. He even did it in his later years, which is athletically impressive.

HeatFan
03-19-2015, 09:47 PM
Remember the Defense Tyrone Lue put on Iverson back in the finals?? He was essentially there just for Allen Iverson. Just pure speed and no space to even breathe. Didn't do much afterwards but the defense in that series was impressive.

hidalgo
03-20-2015, 04:53 AM
Bryon Russell. this guy could play some serious defense. should have made at least a few all defensive teams. he was as good a defender as KB ever was. way underrated defensive ace

RAPS424
03-20-2015, 12:46 PM
James Johnson , the guy is a lock down defender and can guard 1 through 4 ( and smaller 5s)

PatsSoxKnicks
03-23-2015, 05:58 AM
In the league currently:

PG - Langston Galloway
SG - Khris Middleton
SF - Michael Kidd - Gilchrist
PF - David West
C - Andrew Bogut

What type of contract would you give him? What does he get?

slashsnake
03-23-2015, 06:21 AM
Afflalo
Lowry
Diaw

I always liked Afflalo's D. Dahntay Jones was a very good defender too, he'll probably be more remembered for tripping Kobe than anything but he was lock down as much as anyone.

Stacey Augmon was always my favorite perimeter defender, but he was pretty well known for it at the time.

Demarre Carroll, Patrick Beverly are a couple I like that you don't hear of all the time.

I don't think there's really a lot of underrated bigs, as they tend to show up easier.

An all time guy you maybe or maybe not don't hear of a lot. Dave Debusschere.

MrfadeawayJB
03-23-2015, 09:24 AM
Homer pick but Courtney lee has been defending his tail off and is overlooked because of Allen and conley

nandovelez
03-23-2015, 09:31 AM
I always thought kerry kittles was pretty solid

KnicksorBust
03-23-2015, 11:32 AM
What type of contract would you give him? What does he get?

I would offer maybe $6-$7 million per season but I could see him getting overpaid in this market.

KnicksorBust
03-23-2015, 11:33 AM
I always thought kerry kittles was pretty solid

Give me K-Mart from those Nets teams.

nandovelez
03-23-2015, 01:36 PM
Kmart was awesome those few years

ewing
03-23-2015, 02:39 PM
J Kidd made those guys a lot of money

JLynn943
03-23-2015, 03:18 PM
James Johnson , the guy is a lock down defender and can guard 1 through 4 ( and smaller 5s)

Definitely. Good call.


I always thought Dalembert was under-appreciated as a defender.

PatsSoxKnicks
03-25-2015, 03:41 AM
I would offer maybe $6-$7 million per season but I could see him getting overpaid in this market.

I think it goes higher and I'm not sure that it's necessarily an overpayment, especially with the upcoming cap increase. He's one of the best 3-and-D players right now- just depends how much you value that.

NYKalltheway
03-25-2015, 03:54 AM
Bobby Jones should be considered the best defensive forward of all time, so I guess he could count. Definitely got his credit during his time though, it was clear that he was the best defensive player since Bill Russell...

KnicksorBust
03-25-2015, 07:51 AM
I think it goes higher and I'm not sure that it's necessarily an overpayment, especially with the upcoming cap increase. He's one of the best 3-and-D players right now- just depends how much you value that.

With an increasing cap you could go to $8-$9 mil which would essentially be 75% of that today but typically I wouldn't go +$10 for a player that isn't a play-maker or center.


Bobby Jones should be considered the best defensive forward of all time, so I guess he could count. Definitely got his credit during his time though, it was clear that he was the best defensive player since Bill Russell...

Didn't he make all-defensive team like every year? How is that unheralded?

Vince70
03-25-2015, 08:56 AM
Robert Horry

I have never seen a guy deflect so many passes that lead to a turnover. He knew how to read the lanes so well and would get his hand in there at the perfect moment. Horry was also a good post defender and more than held his own with guys taller/bigger than him.

NYKalltheway
03-26-2015, 12:26 PM
Didn't he make all-defensive team like every year? How is that unheralded?

If he's not in every discussion for best defensive player ever or be considered the best defensive forward of all time, he's being severely underated. Saying that he got credit during his career in my previous post is exactly what you're asking me... How many people know of him though?

PatsSoxKnicks
03-27-2015, 05:47 PM
With an increasing cap you could go to $8-$9 mil which would essentially be 75% of that today but typically I wouldn't go +$10 for a player that isn't a play-maker or center.


Yup, that's what I've heard in terms of possible price. Don't think he gets over $10 million but someone could overpay.

Tony_Starks
03-27-2015, 06:58 PM
Remember the Defense Tyrone Lue put on Iverson back in the finals?? He was essentially there just for Allen Iverson. Just pure speed and no space to even breathe. Didn't do much afterwards but the defense in that series was impressive.

People just selectively remember Lue getting lit up in game 1. The was nothing anyone could've did to stop AI that game. The rest of the series Lue was very solid in D. Not only then but his entire time with the Lakers and then later the Wizards he was a great defender in spurts, picking guys up full court.

ewing
03-28-2015, 09:23 AM
I remember being very impressed with Chris Dudley when he backed up Pat Ewing

GiantsSwaGG
03-28-2015, 09:44 AM
Jared Jeffries
Mike (GOAT) James
Joe Dumars

HeatFan
03-28-2015, 12:10 PM
People just selectively remember Lue getting lit up in game 1. The was nothing anyone could've did to stop AI that game. The rest of the series Lue was very solid in D. Not only then but his entire time with the Lakers and then later the Wizards he was a great defender in spurts, picking guys up full court.

The word "pest" in a defense context is a compliment, and Lue was just that.

Chronz
03-28-2015, 12:21 PM
How often did Kobe check AI that series? For some reason I remember him doing most of the work but I could be wrong.

TheNumber37
03-28-2015, 12:28 PM
No one ever talks about the Spurs.
So no one talks about Kawhi. Watching him defend other players.. they must hate him.

Langston Galloway makes that list.

All of Iverson's 2001 sixers roster

HeatFan
03-28-2015, 12:37 PM
How often did Kobe check AI that series? For some reason I remember him doing most of the work but I could be wrong.

I'd have to go back and check but my memory was that Lue did most of the work. I remember Iverson getting extra frustrated because like someone mentioned before, he would get defended full court. Just getting over the half court line was work. I'm sure Kobe must have defended many possessions but Lue was the Iverson specialist.

HeatFan
03-28-2015, 12:38 PM
No one ever talks about the Spurs.
So no one talks about Kawhi. Watching him defend other players.. they must hate him.

Langston Galloway makes that list.

All of Iverson's 2001 sixers roster

Kawhi is great. I think that the question was "Unheralded" and Kawhi is a well known, and well recognized defender, thus not necessarily someone that comes to mind in the manner that the OP asked.

Scoots
03-29-2015, 12:43 AM
Mitch Richmond was an underrated defender.

Chronz
03-29-2015, 01:08 AM
I'd have to go back and check but my memory was that Lue did most of the work. I remember Iverson getting extra frustrated because like someone mentioned before, he would get defended full court. Just getting over the half court line was work. I'm sure Kobe must have defended many possessions but Lue was the Iverson specialist.

I remember the talk thats for sure. Didn't Lue get cornrows that series too?

NYKalltheway
03-29-2015, 09:37 AM
Mitch Richmond was an underrated defender.

Could add Clyde Drexler and Reggie Miller there. Not top class but way better than the "defensive hole" people think they were. And on their good day defensively, they could turn around games.

ewing
03-30-2015, 08:36 PM
Could add Clyde Drexler and Reggie Miller there. Not top class but way better than the "defensive hole" people think they were. And on their good day defensively, they could turn around games.


i actually think Reggie was well above average. not top shelf but a very solid pesky defender with length. plus defending Reggie was emptying somebody's tank

Tony_Starks
03-30-2015, 11:27 PM
How often did Kobe check AI that series? For some reason I remember him doing most of the work but I could be wrong.

From what I remember Kobe would switch over when AI was absolutely lighting Fish on fire (which was often) but Lue chased him around a lot.

That step over look back is still classic tho....

Kashmir13579
03-31-2015, 01:46 AM
Jared Jeffries shout out lol

ewing
03-31-2015, 01:48 AM
Jared Jeffries shout out lol


He would own in the triangle.

slashsnake
03-31-2015, 04:46 AM
From what I remember Kobe would switch over when AI was absolutely lighting Fish on fire (which was often) but Lue chased him around a lot.

That step over look back is still classic tho....

I remember Lue getting a lot of time on AI as well in that series and frustrating him quite a bit at times.

slashsnake
03-31-2015, 05:11 AM
All of Iverson's 2001 sixers roster

That roster was insane on D. When Dikembe Mutombo (and before he showed up it was Theo Ratliff) is your #2 scoring option on offense and you have a team that can make the finals... you have a hell of a D (and a huge load on your #1 scoring option). Now I think Dikembe and Ratliff get remembered pretty well as defensive players, but guys like McKie, Ollie, Snow, Tyrone Hill, Geiger, Lynch, Jumaine Jones, MacCulloch... just everyone for that year fit their role to perfection on D.

ewing
03-31-2015, 08:54 AM
That roster was insane on D. When Dikembe Mutombo (and before he showed up it was Theo Ratliff) is your #2 scoring option on offense and you have a team that can make the finals... you have a hell of a D (and a huge load on your #1 scoring option). Now I think Dikembe and Ratliff get remembered pretty well as defensive players, but guys like McKie, Ollie, Snow, Tyrone Hill, Geiger, Lynch, Jumaine Jones, MacCulloch... just everyone for that year fit their role to perfection on D.


McKie and Lynch were my two favorite role players on that team. I think both were serviceable on the offensive end but if that your firepower :rolleyes: you're right though a lot solid defenders on that team. Kevin Ollie was a heck of a defender, even Matt Gieger was one tough SOB

ManRam
04-02-2015, 08:51 AM
Afflalo
Lowry
Diaw

Have you watched Afflalo the last couple of years?

YAALREADYKNO
04-02-2015, 09:50 AM
The Matrix Shawn Marion!!! How do you finish 4th in DPOY voting one yr and not even make the 2nd all defensive team? SMH dude was underrated his whole entire career and its a shame hes gonna retire without making an all defensive team

YAALREADYKNO
04-03-2015, 10:55 AM
Have you watched Afflalo the last couple of years?

Early in his career he was a pretty solid defender

Raps18-19 Champ
04-03-2015, 11:33 AM
James Johnson.

Hawkeye15
04-03-2015, 11:43 AM
The Matrix Shawn Marion!!! How do you finish 4th in DPOY voting one yr and not even make the 2nd all defensive team? SMH dude was underrated his whole entire career and its a shame hes gonna retire without making an all defensive team

whats so funny, is EVERYONE knew he was a good defender, and said as much, but he was always shunned with the awards.

Weird.

YAALREADYKNO
04-03-2015, 11:55 AM
whats so funny, is EVERYONE knew he was a good defender, and said as much, but he was always shunned with the awards.

Weird.

Still don't know why that was the case. Even raja bell made 2 defensive teams and I think Marion was a better defender than bell.