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IKnowHoops
03-12-2015, 02:18 PM
Many of you didn't get to watch Prime David Robinson. Dude was a beast who would dominate todays NBA. Here is a game film of Drob against the Hornets vs Alonzo Mourning. David had everything you want in a player. Could Post, could shoot, would block shots, and was one of the top ten athletes in NBA history. There are no holes in this guys game. If you don't know about the Admiral, or even if you do, this is a great reminder of just how sick the Admiral was. He'd be the best player in the league today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-NRWNX7Z7Y

ewing
03-12-2015, 02:34 PM
I don't think he was top 10 or had much of a post game. he was one of the most "gifted" player i have ever seen. Dude was lighten fast. I think his incredible tools would be even more effective in today's league but i can't say Drob was a top 10 player

Bostonjorge
03-12-2015, 05:07 PM
Great player but not top 10 all time. He's not even a top 10 big man(C/PF) all time. Top 10 C for sure.

Tony_Starks
03-12-2015, 06:22 PM
I watched him start to finish. Great player. Never in my wildest dreams would I make him top 10.

PurpleLynch
03-12-2015, 07:22 PM
DRob is surely one of the greatest player of all time,plus he had a unique skillset and his athleticism was Chamberlain-like,but in the top 10 of all time?
His position is also stacked(Jabbar,Chamberlain,Shaq,Olajuwon and all these names are in my top 10 of all time),plus his fellow teammate is considered the best PF of all time(and he's also in my top 10).So five position are taken. MJ is automatic n1. Four spots are left:Johnson is a lock too,Lebron will probably crack the top 10,if he's not already in. Two spot left:it's a hard choice. Russell should have one imo and the last one...a battle between Kobe and Bird maybe?
I despise ranking and I'd like more tiers:said that,I just wanted to give a general idea about why DRob can't be considered in the top 10.
All names that I've written are players who almost unanimously are in the top 10 of any ranks(and rightfully so imo),I just have some problems for the last spot.
I know,I didn't give analytics to prove why a player deserve more than another one the top 10,but generally I think it's hard to disagree with that kind of ranking.It's always a walk on thin ice writing these rankings,but generally DRob is out and there's a reason.

IKnowHoops
03-12-2015, 07:39 PM
DRob is surely one of the greatest player of all time,plus he had a unique skillset and his athleticism was Chamberlain-like,but in the top 10 of all time?
His position is also stacked(Jabbar,Chamberlain,Shaq,Olajuwon and all these names are in my top 10 of all time),plus his fellow teammate is considered the best PF of all time(and he's also in my top 10).So five position are taken. MJ is automatic n1. Four spots are left:Johnson is a lock too,Lebron will probably crack the top 10,if he's not already in. Two spot left:it's a hard choice. Russell should have one imo and the last one...a battle between Kobe and Bird maybe?
I despise ranking and I'd like more tiers:said that,I just wanted to give a general idea about why DRob can't be considered in the top 10.
All names that I've written are players who almost unanimously are in the top 10 of any ranks(and rightfully so imo),I just have some problems for the last spot.
I know,I didn't give analytics to prove why a player deserve more than another one the top 10,but generally I think it's hard to disagree with that kind of ranking.It's always a walk on thin ice writing these rankings,but generally DRob is out and there's a reason.

And generally Drob is in nobody's top 10. I get that. I'm just one of the few, if the only person alive who thinks he was severely underrated, and a victim of spending his prime without a championship worthy supporting cast. I feel you could of taken Magic/Bird/Kobe/Duncan/Russell off there teams and supplanted them with David Robinson and won as many if not more rings.

David's Analytics in his Prime rank him around the 4-5 best player ever.

I know David will never get the credit as a top 10 player, but he definitely put up top 5 numbers.

flea
03-12-2015, 08:39 PM
Metrics love him because of what he did in the box score, but he was a very flawed player. I don't recall him ever being regarded more highly than Ewing when active, and I think they're not very far apart as players in terms of skill and impact. Top 25-30 all time but never could defeat the superior players of their generation. Just like Ewing his numbers, except for rebounds, get worse across the board in the playoffs.

And it's not like his teams didn't have talent. He walked onto a team with prime Terry Cummings and had him for his first 3 seasons in the league before Cummings hurt his knee. Cummings is a very strong Hall of Very Good candidate and if not for the injury he might have pushed for HOF consideration (he's a top 50 scorer in the league).

Then he had Rodman as a frontcourt mate for 2 seasons. That team culminated with a WCF versus the Rockets, where Robinson was severely outclassed by Hakeem (24/11/2.7 with 4.5 TO on 45% while letting Dream go for 35/12.5/5 with 4.2 blocks on 56%). That year ('95) was Robinson's most impressive playoffs of his entire career, save for perhaps his Twin Towers run with Duncan, but at least his most impressive as his team's best player.

His second best run came probably in '96, where his team was not very competitive in spite of the series vs. the Jazz going to 6 (losses of 20, 30, 15, and 27). So he had an offensive oriented frontcourt mate and didn't win, a defensive HOFer and played not good enough to win, along with solid role players (most of whom were the same guys the '99 team won with, only they were in their primes when Robinson was). I think people get too worked up about regular season box score porn and forget he didn't have a polished post game, wilted in the playoffs, and got his rings more as a defensive role player next to a real top 10 player than as a true star.

IKnowHoops
03-12-2015, 08:48 PM
Metrics love him because of what he did in the box score, but he was a very flawed player. I don't recall him ever being regarded more highly than Ewing when active, and I think they're not very far apart as players in terms of skill and impact. Top 25-30 all time but never could defeat the superior players of their generation. Just like Ewing his numbers, except for rebounds, get worse across the board in the playoffs.

And it's not like his teams didn't have talent. He walked onto a team with prime Terry Cummings and had him for his first 3 seasons in the league before Cummings hurt his knee. Cummings is a very strong Hall of Very Good candidate and if not for the injury he might have pushed for HOF consideration (he's a top 50 scorer in the league).

Then he had Rodman as a frontcourt mate for 2 seasons. That team culminated with a WCF versus the Rockets, where Robinson was severely outclassed by Hakeem (24/11/2.7 with 4.5 TO on 45% while letting Dream go for 35/12.5/5 with 4.2 blocks on 56%). That year ('95) was Robinson's most impressive playoffs of his entire career, save for perhaps his Twin Towers run with Duncan, but at least his most impressive as his team's best player.

His second best run came probably in '96, where his team was not very competitive in spite of the series vs. the Jazz going to 6 (losses of 20, 30, 15, and 27). So he had an offensive oriented frontcourt mate and didn't win, a defensive HOFer and played not good enough to win, along with solid role players (most of whom were the same guys the '99 team won with, only they were in their primes when Robinson was). I think people get too worked up about regular season box score porn and forget he didn't have a polished post game, wilted in the playoffs, and got his rings more as a defensive role player next to a real top 10 player than as a true star.

Then you really don't know what your talking about if thats what you recall. As far as Impact and ability, few had the impact of David Robinson. Lmao @ terry Cummings. Meanwhile Magic is playing with Worthy and Kareem Abdul Jabbar. Bird is playing with Dennis Johnson, Chief, and Kevin Mchale. Yeah he played with Dennis Rodman, Dennis Rodman if you remember self destructed in the playoffs and refused to play in that series against Houston. His meltdown was the biggest contributing factor to the Spurs loss. Give him a focused Dennis Rodman and Prime Scottie Pippen with Phil Jackson coaching and things would be real different. Terry Cummings lol...Shaq couldn't even win with Horace, Penny, Dennis Scott and Nick Anderson. But David had Terry Cummings. Some years Shaq couldn't win with Kobe, years Lebron couldn't win with Wade, years Magic couldn't win with Mchale and Perish, Years Magic couldn't win with Worthy and Jabbar, but David is supposed to win with Terry Cumings??????!!!!

flea
03-12-2015, 09:20 PM
Did I say his teams were elite? No, but they were hardly barren like T Mac's Magic. Top 10 players have won a lot more in the playoffs than Robinson's Spurs did with a lot less. Like say, Hakeem. Or Duncan. Or Shaq in '00. Sure he played in Western Conference with teams like the Lakers, Suns, and Rockets. But during the early 90s those teams weren't a hell of a lot better than his - if at all some years. He just didn't win. The '93 showdown vs. Barkley's Suns was close but that's where the good players prove they're good.

I guess it was Terry Cummings's fault Robinson's line drops from regular season slash of 25.6/11.8/3.1 with 3.6 blocks on 53% shooting to playoff slash of 22/10.8/2.7 with 2.9 blocks on 49% shooting during his time without Duncan?

IKnowHoops
03-12-2015, 09:38 PM
[=flea;29725761]Did I say his teams were elite?
No, but they were hardly barren like T Mac's Magic. Top 10 players have won a lot more in the playoffs than Robinson's Spurs did with a lot less. Like say, Hakeem. Or Duncan. Or Shaq in '00. Sure he played in Western Conference with teams like the Lakers, Suns, and Rockets.

You won't find any statistic that says those players had less help than David. All the statistics will show that Davids teams contributed less than those other players teammates.

But during the early 90s those teams weren't a hell of a lot better than his - if at all some years. He just didn't win. The '93 showdown vs. Barkley's Suns was close but that's where the good players prove they're good.

I guess it was Terry Cummings's fault Robinson's line drops from regular season slash of 25.6/11.8/3.1 with 3.6 blocks on 53% shooting to playoff slash of 22/10.8/2.7 with 2.9 blocks on 49% shooting during his time without Duncan?

If you took Tim Duncan off the Spurs right now and put David and that stat line on the squad, they would repeat. Let me be more clear...there is none in NBA history you could supplant Drob with which makes the Spurs win a title in any of his Prime years.

ewing
03-12-2015, 09:40 PM
Did I say his teams were elite? No, but they were hardly barren like T Mac's Magic. Top 10 players have won a lot more in the playoffs than Robinson's Spurs did with a lot less. Like say, Hakeem. Or Duncan. Or Shaq in '00. Sure he played in Western Conference with teams like the Lakers, Suns, and Rockets. But during the early 90s those teams weren't a hell of a lot better than his - if at all some years. He just didn't win. The '93 showdown vs. Barkley's Suns was close but that's where the good players prove they're good.

I guess it was Terry Cummings's fault Robinson's line drops from regular season slash of 25.6/11.8/3.1 with 3.6 blocks on 53% shooting to playoff slash of 22/10.8/2.7 with 2.9 blocks on 49% shooting during his time without Duncan?


or Ewing's Knicks

Bostonjorge
03-12-2015, 09:44 PM
Robinson has years where he couldn't win with Duncan and pop.

G_S_W
03-13-2015, 01:21 AM
David Robinson's prime matches up favorably with that of any elite big in nba history.

Having said that, there are a few 'dings' in his resume, some negative subjective impressions, and some physical limitations which were real and/or perceived weaknesses when comparing with him other elite centers.

1. DRob missed 2 years of his prime serving out his naval service commitment, and suffered a serious back injury right in the middle of his prime (age 30), which didn't allow him to rack up the gargantuan numbers which characterize the careers of the top 10 - 12 players in nba history.

2. DRob, fairly or not, was tagged with the "nice guy" label and it was sometimes assumed that DRob was slightly less competitive as a result. Perhaps not a fair assessment, but in a league which reveres competitive sociopaths like Jordan and Kobe, it probably does affect how his legacy is evaluated.

3. Drob had a very narrow waist, and didn't have the core strength to maintain his position on the block either as a defender or scorer, relying instead on superior speed and agility. Perhaps one of DRob's fans can tell us more about his go-to post moves, but he didn't have one or two key signature moves a la Hakeem, Moses or Kareem.

Perhaps I'm splitting hairs or nitpicking--DRob is indeed one of the greatest players in nba history, but we're talking about whether he's one of the 10 greatest players and by those exceptionally lofty standards it is safe to say he does not.

ewing
03-13-2015, 01:48 AM
David Robinson's prime matches up favorably with that of any elite big in nba history.

Having said that, there are a few 'dings' in his resume, some negative subjective impressions, and some physical limitations which were real and/or perceived weaknesses when comparing with him other elite centers.

1. DRob missed 2 years of his prime serving out his naval service commitment, and suffered a serious back injury right in the middle of his prime (age 30), which didn't allow him to rack up the gargantuan numbers which characterize the careers of the top 10 - 12 players in nba history.

2. DRob, fairly or not, was tagged with the "nice guy" label and it was sometimes assumed that DRob was slightly less competitive as a result. Perhaps not a fair assessment, but in a league which reveres competitive sociopaths like Jordan and Kobe, it probably does affect how his legacy is evaluated.

3. Drob had a very narrow waist, and didn't have the core strength to maintain his position on the block either as a defender or scorer, relying instead on superior speed and agility. Perhaps one of DRob's fans can tell us more about his go-to post moves, but he didn't have one or two key signature moves a la Hakeem, Moses or Kareem.

Perhaps I'm splitting hairs or nitpicking--DRob is indeed one of the greatest players in nba history, but we're talking about whether he's one of the 10 greatest players and by those exceptionally lofty standards it is safe to say he does not.

i think this a very fair analysis

Tony_Starks
03-13-2015, 01:56 AM
David Robinson probably isn't even in his own top 10 list.

FlashBolt
03-13-2015, 02:13 AM
Who do you take out from the top ten? It's hard to place D-Rob in there. Top 20 is for sure. Top 10 is a whole different ball game. We're talking about the ten greatest NBA players the past 70 years. There's no way D-Rob comes into my mind.

Kobe
Tim
MJ
Wilt
Kareem
LeBron
Shaq
Magic
Hakeem
Bird

No way D-Rob was better than any of those guys.

IKnowHoops
03-13-2015, 02:34 PM
Who do you take out from the top ten? It's hard to place D-Rob in there. Top 20 is for sure. Top 10 is a whole different ball game. We're talking about the ten greatest NBA players the past 70 years. There's no way D-Rob comes into my mind.

Kobe
Tim
MJ
Wilt
Kareem
LeBron
Shaq
Magic
Hakeem
Bird

No way D-Rob was better than any of those guys.

If I was starting a team, I'd take Drob over Bird, Magic, Kobe, and Duncan.

JPS
03-13-2015, 03:48 PM
Who do you take out from the top ten? It's hard to place D-Rob in there. Top 20 is for sure. Top 10 is a whole different ball game. We're talking about the ten greatest NBA players the past 70 years. There's no way D-Rob comes into my mind.

Kobe
Tim
MJ
Wilt
Kareem
LeBron
Shaq
Magic
Hakeem
Bird

No way D-Rob was better than any of those guys.

If I was starting a team, I'd take Drob over Bird, Magic, Kobe, and Duncan.


If I was starting a team Laetner is the only dream team member who I would take D rob over. Let alone top 10 guys. He wasn't top 10 of his Era let alone all time.

Hawkeye15
03-13-2015, 03:58 PM
Robinson is in my top 16, for sure.