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JasonJohnHorn
03-06-2015, 08:18 AM
Picked this up off a thread on reddit.


Other guys this season look like this:

Curry is 3-0 t
Harden is 11-1(!!!)
Lebron is 6-2


On their respective careers:
Kareem is 138-60
Wilt at 95-56
Jordan WITH 237-96
LeBron is 123-48 all-time
Kobe is 146-87 all-time
MJ is 237-96 all-time
Karl Malone is 113-38 all-time
Larry Bird is 94-16 all-time

Thanks to redditos nimgame, You_Are_A_Scallyway and At_Least_Im_Not_You



Thoughts? Do numbers like that impact how he is viewed as an MVP candidate?

Goose17
03-06-2015, 08:22 AM
MVP!

smh

KnicksorBust
03-06-2015, 08:53 AM
The season Wilt averaged 44ppg his Warriors team went 31-49.

One man scoring aint everything.

KnicksorBust
03-06-2015, 08:54 AM
Picked this up off a thread on reddit.


Other guys this season look like this:

Curry is 3-0 t
Harden is 11-1(!!!)
Lebron is 6-2


On their respective careers:
Kareem is 138-60
Wilt at 95-56
Jordan WITH 237-96
LeBron is 123-48 all-time
Kobe is 146-87 all-time
MJ is 237-96 all-time
Karl Malone is 113-38 all-time
Larry Bird is 94-16 all-time

Thanks to redditos nimgame, You_Are_A_Scallyway and At_Least_Im_Not_You



Thoughts? Do numbers like that impact how he is viewed as an MVP candidate?

LeBron should win MVP.

zn23
03-06-2015, 10:02 AM
That's like a stat Skip Bayless would bring up...

The fact is Russell Westbrook has been an absolute beast this year and has out performed the other MVP candidates by a fairly wide margin. The problem isn't him taking a lot of shots and putting up points. The problem is the team around him. The Thunder have a very bad team right now. I think their GM is going to have some explaining to do.

Ibaka appears to have peaked and has had a down year. Dion Waiters went from bad to worse when he joined the OKC from Cleveland. The Thunder get nothing from their bench. To make matters worse they've been dealing with injuries to their two stars. So you combine all that and it leads to a less than impressive 34-28 record.

omdigga
03-06-2015, 10:06 AM
easy fix. bench him when he gets to 34. :eyebrow:

Vinylman
03-06-2015, 10:32 AM
just a question... how many of those games did Durant play in?

goingfor28
03-06-2015, 10:58 AM
easy fix. bench him when he gets to 34. :eyebrow:
Lol

JasonJohnHorn
03-06-2015, 07:23 PM
That's like a stat Skip Bayless would bring up...

The fact is Russell Westbrook has been an absolute beast this year and has out performed the other MVP candidates by a fairly wide margin. The problem isn't him taking a lot of shots and putting up points. The problem is the team around him. The Thunder have a very bad team right now. I think their GM is going to have some explaining to do.

Ibaka appears to have peaked and has had a down year. Dion Waiters went from bad to worse when he joined the OKC from Cleveland. The Thunder get nothing from their bench. To make matters worse they've been dealing with injuries to their two stars. So you combine all that and it leads to a less than impressive 34-28 record.

Well... I think the team is in better shape since the trade deadline. They have a young center with potential who can rebound, and they have two sharp shooter, Singler and Novak, who can spread the floor. They have a good back up at PF in Collison. I think they could win a first-round match up against GWS. KD would tear their SF spot apart, and Westy and Curry would be great to watch. I'd pick GSW myself, but I think it's be a 6 or 7 game series.

JasonJohnHorn
03-06-2015, 07:25 PM
just a question... how many of those games did Durant play in?

Good question... not sure. But that is a huge factor which needs to be included in the context of evaluating this.

SPURSFAN1
03-06-2015, 07:26 PM
Chicken and an egg argument.

IKnowHoops
03-06-2015, 07:35 PM
As much as I love what west has been doing, he's been shooting a lot. He's had some bad shooting nights scoring around 40pts, which means your taking to many shots away from other players who have a higher percentage shot. You can't score 40pts on 33% fg and expect to win. Must stop shooting earlier and start facilitating and get higher pct shots.

Vinylman
03-06-2015, 08:02 PM
Good question... not sure. But that is a huge factor which needs to be included in the context of evaluating this.

ok... i was being lazy hoping you would know...

I have now looked it up and only 1 of the 9 games did durant play and westie went 48/9/11 (a game durant only took 2 less shots than westie)

Couple of things... 35 is a pretty arbitrary cut off ... they won a lot of games when he scored 30 or more... second... who else is going to score on that team?

I think this stat has little bearing on his MVP chances

Tony_Starks
03-06-2015, 08:11 PM
Sample size?

MrfadeawayJB
03-06-2015, 11:44 PM
The problem is when he scores a lot he dominates the ball and takes too many fga's with not great efficiency. He also does not get teammates into a good enough rhythm

JV35
03-06-2015, 11:49 PM
How about when he scores 40+?

He needs to keep that 40/5/5 streak going.

GoferKing_
03-07-2015, 04:36 AM
That was always what I said, when playing OKC defend everyone except for Russ, let him go even for 80+. xD

LakersIn5
03-07-2015, 05:38 AM
In other news, nyk is 10-31 when melo scores 20+ so it means he should score less than 20

Saddletramp
03-07-2015, 05:48 AM
Picked this up off a thread on reddit.


Other guys this season look like this:

Curry is 3-0 t
Harden is 11-1(!!!)
Lebron is 6-2


Make that 12-2(!!!)

DemarDerozan
03-07-2015, 09:23 AM
Thunder are 4-2 when Westbrook puts up a triple double this season. Including a win over GSW.

mightybosstone
03-07-2015, 12:18 PM
The fact is Russell Westbrook has been an absolute beast this year and has out performed the other MVP candidates by a fairly wide margin.

Not if you value efficiency as a a basketball player. Sure, he's been insanely productive, but forgive me if I don't get all hot and bothered by a guy jacking up 21 shots a night on below average scoring efficiency. He's had some truly phenomenal performances that I'm not going to diminish (like against Philly, who is a dumpster fire of a basketball team), but I think some of his most productive games have been some of the most inefficient, overall poor performances I've seen from a player all season long.

Sorry, but I'm not buying Westbrook as the MVP. I think Curry and Harden are easily a tier above him, and I'd still rank Lebron ahead of him as long as the Cavs finish with the 2-3 seed.

mightybosstone
03-07-2015, 12:27 PM
How about when he scores 40+?

He needs to keep that 40/5/5 streak going.

Wow... I just looked it up and they're 2-5 when he tops 40. And he's topped 39 or more in his last four games, in which the Thunder went 1-3 with the one win coming against Philly. I was curious about his impact while on the floor, so I checked his plus/minus in those four games: -8 against Chicago, -12 against Philly, -12 against Portland and +4 against Phoenix. That's a minus-28 in those four games when Westbrook is on the floor.

To some extent, that's a testament to how weak the Thunder starting five is when Durant isn't there. But you'd think that team would be better with the deeper rotation they acquired at the trade deadline. How much of their woes in the last couple of weeks have been due other players underperforming and how much have been due to Westbrook taking way, way too many shot?

Goose17
03-07-2015, 12:28 PM
The fact is Russell Westbrook has b

He's ARGUABLY outperformed them for 5 weeks. Unfortunately for him the NBA isn't a 5 week season, Harden and Curry have been outperforming Westbrook for the entire season up until this point. On top of that they are significantly more efficient.

HeatFan
03-07-2015, 02:34 PM
In other news, nyk is 10-31 when melo scores 20+ so it means he should score less than 20

Clever

LakersIn5
03-07-2015, 03:57 PM
He's ARGUABLY outperformed them for 5 weeks. Unfortunately for him the NBA isn't a 5 week season, Harden and Curry have been outperforming Westbrook for the entire season up until this point. On top of that they are significantly more efficient.

Westbrook's player EFFICIENCY rating is higher though :p

Goose17
03-07-2015, 04:04 PM
Westbrook's player EFFICIENCY rating is higher though :p

Yeah because the more shots you take the higher your PER goes (as long as you're making 35% ish). So that's a B.S number ;)

LakersIn5
03-07-2015, 04:58 PM
Yeah because the more shots you take the higher your PER goes (as long as you're making 35% ish). So that's a B.S number ;)

Not with kobe though