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jerellh528
01-31-2015, 12:48 AM
I saw a similar thread in the nfl forum and sure enough the NBA uses it too. It's called approximate value. Anyways, I haven't heard anyone really mention this, anyone really familiar with it?

It's calculated here:
http://www.rawbw.com/~deano/hoopla/append.html

Here youll find leaders:
http://www.sportingcharts.com/nba/stats/player-approximate-value-leaders/2014/

Chronz
01-31-2015, 01:03 AM
Dean o is a genius and all but i don't like mixing awards with the more objective data.

mngopher35
01-31-2015, 01:54 AM
I haven't seen this stat before but my first thought is that it will be good for efficient big men who fill a stat sheet (based on the formula in the table, it looks like there is another way to calculate it also as Chronz mentioned). I see that rebounds are equal to assists and points but both of those have detractors such as FG and FT missed and TO's. This isn't bad or anything but to me it just seems a little bit off and you just have to know what the stat is looking at.

For example let's say Curry had a night where he had 26 points, 8 assists, 3 rebounds, 3 turnovers and 2 steals on 9/20 shooting 45% (2/5 from 3 40%) and 6/7 FT's.

If Tyson chandler had 12 pts, 13 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 turnover, 2 blocks on 5/8 shooting (2/3 FTs) it would be essentially the same value in this stat.

I think it is likely Curry had the better night in this hypothetical though because he was doing more for his team outside of rebounding. I dunno maybe there is something I am missing or not thinking of (I'm sure this guy has a reason for it) but to me rebounds just aren't as valuable to make those nights "equal".

EDIT: also like most stats it doesn't take real defense into account just STL and BLK

SPURSFAN1
01-31-2015, 02:03 AM
No it's not. The points and rebounds and steals and blocks are all weighted the same. 10 points is not the same as 10 blocks or 10 rebounds. 10 rebounds is not the same as 10 steals. 10 steals is not the same as 10 blocks but pretty close though. Very rudimentary. Would not qualify at all.

IndyRealist
01-31-2015, 01:59 PM
How is a missed free throw the same as a missed field goal? That means if someone goes to the line and misses both, he would be penalized more than if he just missed the shot, despite getting a foul on an opposing player.

FraziersKnicks
01-31-2015, 05:01 PM
So many flaws

Sanjay
02-03-2015, 06:39 PM
I saw a similar thread in the nfl forum and sure enough the NBA uses it too. It's called approximate value. Anyways, I haven't heard anyone really mention this, anyone really familiar with it?

It's calculated here:
http://www.rawbw.com/~deano/hoopla/append.html

Here youll find leaders:
http://www.sportingcharts.com/nba/stats/player-approximate-value-leaders/2014/

Something is wrong when Monroe is ahead of Klay and last year Drummond had a better AV than Aldridge.