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sheesh
01-29-2015, 05:55 PM
This just in. Thunder suck without Kevin Durant playing. They're trash. With him they are perennially a top 2 team in the West and top 3 team in the NBA.

We already knew KD is the 2nd best player in the world. So nothing new has been learned in his absences this season about him.

It shows Brooks is very overrated. Really has no idea how to offensively coach. It shows Westbroook has efficiency and poor BB IQ problems. Currently his usage percentage is higher than Michael Jordan's highest season when he was shot jacking 23 year old ballhog. And Ibaka is straight up mediocre who can't do jack except pick and pop.

goingfor28
01-29-2015, 06:04 PM
Brooks isn't overrated, he's always been a garbage coach imo. If he didn't have Russ and KD he would've been gone longggg ago

Goose17
01-29-2015, 06:08 PM
He's an average coach.

I'm not as high on westbrook as some are. He's a terrible decision maker.

I like Ibaka.

The problem with OKC is they have little to no talent outside of the big 3.

InRoseWeTrust
01-29-2015, 06:08 PM
Brooks isn't overrated, he's always been a garbage coach imo. If he didn't have Russ and KD he would've been gone longggg ago

This x 10000000000000000000000000

sheesh
01-29-2015, 06:23 PM
You can say that they have little talent outside the big 3. Well how many teams actually have a roster full of guys who can create their own shot? Brooks just doesn't have it.

And Westbrook? I remember people calling him a legitimate MVP candidate and about to really become a megastar in this league when Durant went down. Well I guess he had his shot, but showed his ball hogging ways. MVP on a .350 team though??

tredigs
01-29-2015, 10:14 PM
Wasn't Westbrook killing it without KD for a stretch earlier this year? And hasn't OKC underperformed in the playoffs when either Westbrook or Ibaka went down the past 2 years?

Brooks is a very weak coach who has a very poorly run offense imo, but both of those players are outstanding, especially Westbrook. Losing arguably the best player in the world does hurt them though, yes... Especially when you don't have a team game predicated on ball movement to fill the gap in his absence.

sheesh
01-29-2015, 11:07 PM
Wasn't Westbrook killing it without KD for a stretch earlier this year? And hasn't OKC underperformed in the playoffs when either Westbrook or Ibaka went down the past 2 years?

Brooks is a very weak coach who has a very poorly run offense imo, but both of those players are outstanding, especially Westbrook. Losing arguably the best player in the world does hurt them though, yes... Especially when you don't have a team game predicated on ball movement to fill the gap in his absence.

It's hard to say about the playoffs because that's such a ridiculously small sample size. And not to mention matching up against elite western teams is hard even with arguably the best player in the world.

What's the Thunder record this season with Durant out?

Is it possible that Ibaka and especially Westbrook is just another Kevin Love. It just doesn't translate.

LakersIn5
01-30-2015, 06:53 AM
The thunder outside kd and westy sucks

D-Leethal
01-30-2015, 11:27 AM
The thunder outside kd and westy sucks

Bingo. You take one of those guys out and they are a D-League team whose best player is a shot blocking specialist. What do you expect? Especially with how unbalanced their offense is once KD goes out - every single one of their scorers play in the backcourt and need the ball to be effective.

YAALREADYKNO
01-30-2015, 12:06 PM
It's easy to gameplan for westbrook once ibaka is the 2nd best scorer on the team. When Durant's out its either westbrook or bust for the thunder.

Goose17
01-30-2015, 12:25 PM
The thunder outside kd and westy sucks

The Thunder outside of KD and Ibaka sucks.

D-Leethal
01-30-2015, 12:32 PM
I think the Thunder management and ownership is exposed more than anything.

They tried to get too cute "were gonna set trends in cutting costs, only paying three players legitimate salaries all whilst competing for titles" like some Billy Beane **** and its biting them in the *** now. I have no sympathy for them and I hope KD and Westbrook leave. They should be in Seattle anyway.

Sly Guy
01-30-2015, 12:46 PM
lol, anyone who thought brooks is a good coach needs their heads examined. You can tell he's clueless just by his facial expressions on the sidelines. I can see his motivational speeches on the sideline being something like : "come on guys, try harder! There's a chicken dinner in it for you!"

I respect Westy's athleticism, but I've never liked him as a player. Ibaka is what he is, an athletic freak with a huge frame, he's a very, very solid piece, but you can't build a team around him alone.

YAALREADYKNO
01-30-2015, 04:38 PM
The Thunder outside of KD and Ibaka sucks.

so ibaka is the 2nd best player on the thunder? smh

LakersIn5
01-30-2015, 05:42 PM
The Thunder outside of KD and Ibaka sucks.

Lol westbrook hater

JNA17
01-30-2015, 06:20 PM
I think the Thunder management and ownership is exposed more than anything.

They tried to get too cute "were gonna set trends in cutting costs, only paying three players legitimate salaries all whilst competing for titles" like some Billy Beane **** and its biting them in the *** now. I have no sympathy for them and I hope KD and Westbrook leave. They should be in Seattle anyway.

I agree with that. Not paying Harden and trading him was one of the worst GM moves I have ever seen in the NBA. Especially when they gave up Harden for what might as well be nothing.

Now the Thunder team is going to implode. If Durant doesn't leave in 2016, Westbrook sure as hell will the year after. And then what?

Although that still is a while away, with the way their current team is constructed, it looks like they will be the Atlanta Hawks (besides this year of course :P) of the West.

Goose17
01-30-2015, 06:23 PM
Lol westbrook hater

Not at all. I just think he's a terrible fit on that team next to Durant.

mightybosstone
01-31-2015, 11:15 AM
I don't really think Ibaka or Westbrok have been "exposed." Westbrook is a very productive, explosive basketball player who needs to score in volumes because he's fairly inefficient. Ibaka is an excellent defender with a killer mid range jumper who doesn't rebound exceptionally well and can't be relied for more than a quiet 15 points a night offensively. That's who those guys are. And with a decent supporting cast and playing in a normal conference, that would be enough for them to be a pretty damn good basketball team...

...but they're not playing a normal conference. They're playing in the stacked West. And both Brooks and the supporting cast are the two areas of the team that have been exposed this season. IMO, the Thunder made a huge mistake in trading Harden and then backed up that huge mistake by not retaining Kevin martin. Waiters sucks, Jackson hasn't stepped up his game nearly enough despite given the opportunity and Adams and Collison are nothing more than competent rotational big men. The rest of the roster would be lucky to see any playing time at all on a contender.

In the Thunder's defense, though, they were without both Westbrook and Durant for an entire month. And they have climbed into the playoff discussion in December and January. A few weeks ago, I would have said they could climb as high as 4th or 5th in the West. That's not going to happen anymore. But they could still feasibly grab one of those last two or three spots and sneak in. I definitely wouldn't rule them out.

DanG
01-31-2015, 01:34 PM
Several players just don't fit in. Reggie and Waiters are decent players, but both of them need the ball in their hands to be effective. With KD and Westbrook on the floor there's not much room for them. Right now they just take away too many shots from Durant.

They need a catch and shoot type SG who can defend (like a Danny Green). Roberson has potential as a defender, but he is AWFUL offensively. I say trade Reggie and Waiters.

Vee-Rex
01-31-2015, 06:42 PM
Thunder's biggest flaw is not enough skilled players surrounding KD, Westy, and I-blockya.

Durant's biggest flaw is not asserting enough selfish leadership that you see/saw in guys like MJ, Kobe, Lebron, etc... teams like the Spurs never had any alphaneedtouches kind of players, as Duncan/Parker/Ginobili played unselfish basketball. Pierce/Garnett/Allen did the same.

Wade had to finally and completely defer to LBJ as the leader before the Heat won a title. Pippen was always number 2 to Jordan. Kobe/Shaq clashed because one wouldn't defer to the other.

Durant absolutely need to reign Westy in or they won't win a ring. It's time for him to step up and get in his face if he keeps gunning and making poor decisions. Westy has all the talent in the world (other than 3pt shooting) and could be the perfect compliment if he would only focus more on playing his game around Durant's instead of through it.

howiend
01-31-2015, 11:09 PM
i think okc is in deep trouble for making the playoffs. the suns will not be easy to catch and i don't see the spurs dropping out either

Redrum187
02-01-2015, 04:32 PM
The problem with OKC is Westbrook. It's also why they are dangerous as well though. He is not consistent and he can win it for you or lose it for you. He isn't as good as people make him out to be... that isn't to say he isn't a good player.