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FlashBolt
01-29-2015, 11:21 AM
Good trade for both sides or no? Forget about the salary differences, etc. Just wondering what you guys think.

goingfor28
01-29-2015, 11:25 AM
If I'm okc I wouldn't

FraziersKnicks
01-29-2015, 11:30 AM
Perfect for Cleveland, awful fit for Oklahoma.

The last thing the Thunder need is another player that needs touches. Also absolutely no chance Love would re-sign there.

2-ONE-5
01-29-2015, 11:45 AM
Perfect for Cleveland, awful fit for Oklahoma.

The last thing the Thunder need is another player that needs touches. Also absolutely no chance Love would re-sign there.

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Tony_Starks
01-29-2015, 12:15 PM
If I'm okc I wouldn't

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MILLERHIGHLIFE
01-29-2015, 12:17 PM
It's horrible for the Thunder. Not enough shots to go around. Love was crying he's third fiddle with Cleveland. KD and Westbrook are huge volume shooters. Plus Waiters there now and Jackson. Just don't see the incentive for Thunder to do it.

diu9leilomo
01-29-2015, 12:34 PM
i wouldnt even trade 2 kevin loves for 1 ibaka

dalton749
01-29-2015, 01:09 PM
2 loves would be terrible lol
that should be the deciding factor on giving anyone the max lol

lamzoka
01-29-2015, 01:14 PM
Like someone say great for Cleveland, bad, very bad for OKC.

diu9leilomo
01-29-2015, 02:05 PM
2 loves would be terrible lol
that should be the deciding factor on giving anyone the max lol

haha yes. but u know what i mean :)

jerellh528
01-29-2015, 02:18 PM
I think love is the far better player but it's a terrible fit for okc

ManningToTyree
01-29-2015, 02:30 PM
Idk if there are many fits worse for love then okc

mngopher35
01-29-2015, 02:32 PM
On either team they are third options. As a third option Ibaka is a much better choice, that's why everyone is saying it would be good for Cleveland bad for thunder. Ibaka brings spacing (like love), is a worse rebounder but not by much, but is a way bigger defensive presence. Offensively love is better but that is less important as a 3rd option.

rockets-fan
01-29-2015, 03:07 PM
Love just needs to go to Houston

Pakman
01-29-2015, 03:15 PM
Love just needs to go to Houston
So they could have another 3 pt. Shooter and plays no defense? Lol still not built to hang with the elite.

Sanjay
01-29-2015, 06:23 PM
I think on a team where these guys would be the number one option, Love would be a better fit, but at a franchise where these two would be the number three option (the Thunder or Cavs), Ibaka would be better. Serge would actually be good in Cleveland because is a great defender and shot blocker (which the Cavs need) and can also score. Oklahoma City would be a similar situation as Cleveland for Love because Durant and Westbrook would basically replace LeBron and Irving. Also, Love would not be a good fit for the Thunder as they need defense.

Goose17
01-29-2015, 06:24 PM
I think on a team where these guys would be the number one option, Love would be a better fit, but at a franchise where these two would be the number three option (the Thunder or Cavs), Ibaka would be better. Serge would actually be good in Cleveland because is a great defender and shot blocker (which the Cavs need) and can also score. Oklahoma City would be a similar situation as Cleveland for Love because Durant and Westbrook would basically replace LeBron and Irving. Also, Love would not be a good fit for the Thunder as they need defense.

I agree with most of the above^

Love needs to be somewhere that will have him as the second option at worst, ideally the first.

KnicksorBust
01-29-2015, 06:41 PM
Steal for OKC.

Sanjay
01-29-2015, 07:04 PM
I agree with most of the above^

Love needs to be somewhere that will have him as the second option at worst, ideally the first.

Probably the second option because I do not think he can be the number one guy on a championship team.

JEDean89
01-29-2015, 07:13 PM
I said before the Love trade that while I think he's better than Ibaka, Ibaka is the better fit because of his defense and rim protection and he can still space the floor. Ibaka gets numbers next to 2 MVP candidates, Love got his numbers on a perennial lottery team.

tm95835
01-30-2015, 12:10 AM
What about love for bosh?

FlashBolt
01-30-2015, 12:29 AM
What about love for bosh?

Not gonna happen. That would be too awkward and I doubt Love would resign with the Heat. I think once you're a third option, the scoring load is usually being done by the 1st and 2nd option. It's why Bulls succeeded. Jordan/Pippen handled the scoring while Rodman handled the defense/rebounding. In this case, third option should be a rebounding/defensive minded player. That is absolutely the best way to compliment the 1st and 2nd option. It's also why teams value players such as Korver, Battier, Bowen, Horry. Not necessarily ball dominant players but definitely capable of contributing outside of scoring or just very lethal at their specialty. With Korver, a three point specialist is one of them.

MTar786
01-30-2015, 05:55 AM
i know this wont happen. but if they could trade love and varajeo for wade, deng and a pick it would actually help both teams imo.
love is addition by subtraction for the cavs team
wade wouldnt be relied upon heavily because smith is there. plus kyrie is the new second option.
wade has th eexperience and will be able to give a Great 27 mins a game easily.
he has incredible chemistry with lebron and has finals experience.
deng is a great defender and can be the back up at sf and also see a lot of play time because lebron is so versatile.
this makes shumpert expendable along with the miami first pick for a good vet back up power forward. ie brandon bass or someone.
also now thomas gets to start at pf and flourish like he has been.

kryie/wade/dellavedova
wade/jr smith/dellavedova
lebron/deng/miller/marion
thompson/ lebron/ marion
mozgov/thompson

i know better trades are out there. but this imo makes the cavs big time contenders. because it takes care of experience chemistry and defense too. also a very realistic trade for both sides.

Jeffy25
01-30-2015, 06:37 AM
Not good for OKC, would help Cleveland

OKC doesn't need another shooter

MDD
01-30-2015, 07:00 AM
Being on a contending team and love play like love is a bad fit!

KingstonHawke
01-30-2015, 07:25 AM
I'll add that I've always considered Ibaka the better player as well. Quality role player on offense. And he's a heck of a defender. Way easier for his skillset to contribute to a successful team. People seem to forget, one or two great scorers is all you really need, while defense is the opposite. One or two bad defenders will collapse your whole defense. Every single possession teams will attack your weak link.

They should have a stat where they add up all the points you were directly responsible for on offense, and then subtract how many you were directly responsible for giving up. I'm including things like you getting beat off the dribble and forcing your teammate to help, and his teammate making a wide open shot. I think we'd look at a lot of careers differently if this was the case. Nash would be the first myth to get busted wide open. All those games he averaged 12 and 12 the team was also giving up 120 points on occasion. Harden would get busted too. The Rockets play super fast so his numbers are inflated, but his defensive stats would also be inflated which would level everything out when compared to the rest of the league.

Jeffy25
01-30-2015, 07:37 AM
I'll add that I've always considered Ibaka the better player as well. Quality role player on offense. And he's a heck of a defender. Way easier for his skillset to contribute to a successful team. People seem to forget, one or two great scorers is all you really need, while defense is the opposite. One or two bad defenders will collapse your whole defense. Every single possession teams will attack your weak link.

They should have a stat where they add up all the points you were directly responsible for on offense, and then subtract how many you were directly responsible for giving up. I'm including things like you getting beat off the dribble and forcing your teammate to help, and his teammate making a wide open shot. I think we'd look at a lot of careers differently if this was the case. Nash would be the first myth to get busted wide open. All those games he averaged 12 and 12 the team was also giving up 120 points on occasion. Harden would get busted too. The Rockets play super fast so his numbers are inflated, but his defensive stats would also be inflated which would level everything out when compared to the rest of the league.

Agree 100%

Daze9900
01-30-2015, 08:14 AM
It somewhat makes sense for OKC because they are a small market team and can't really afford 3 max guys. If he walks so be it they do what they always do find a gem in the draft to complement their huge 2. From a basketball standpoint Ibaka is turning himself into a stretch 5 but he's not that good at it and it's completely not necessary when they have great shooters on the team. They get hurt on the offensive boards when he does that. With Love you have an established stretch 5 that defenses have to respect out to the 3 point line so it provides spacing. Ibaka makes up for everything with his tenacious D keeping his value. IMO both teams benefit. Maybe they are banking on Waiters developing as well so he could play that harden role. They can pay him under the max and max out Durant without being a luxury tax team