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nycericanguy
01-19-2015, 11:37 AM
Interesting player, made a HUGE leap this year and came out of nowhere scoring 22ppg early in the year.

Seems he's coming back down to earth lately. 16.7ppg in Jan on 40%.

Also Thibs plays him by far more minutes than anyone in the league. PER 36 he's scoring 18.6ppg.

Do you guys think he'll finish the year at 20ppg? Is he a legit "go to 20ppg scorer", or is this just a year where everything has gone right for him and he's gotten a ton of minutes?

Goose17
01-19-2015, 11:56 AM
In My Opinion

Right now, I think he's around that 20PPG mark as a player. Heading into the future I see him being a top 10 scorer, 20/22 PPG.

He needs to work on his 3 point shot in the offseason, that would add so much to his game if defenders had to legitimately guard him out there.

As long as Thibs doesn't run him into the ground he's going to be a 20 PPG guy.

RLundi
01-19-2015, 12:08 PM
In My Opinion

Right now, I think he's around that 20PPG mark as a player. Heading into the future I see him being a top 10 scorer, 20/22 PPG.

He needs to work on his 3 point shot in the offseason, that would add so much to his game if defenders had to legitimately guard him out there.

As long as Thibs doesn't run him into the ground he's going to be a 20 PPG guy.

20/22pg, is that enough to make him a top 10 player? He's also a stellar defender, so I'm sure that factors into your opinion. I'm just curious, do you consider Klay Thompson a top 10 player? He's right in that range too.

Goose17
01-19-2015, 12:16 PM
20/22pg, is that enough to make him a top 10 player? He's also a stellar defender, so I'm sure that factors into your opinion. I'm just curious, do you consider Klay Thompson a top 10 player? He's right in that range too.

I said top 10 scorer. As in he would be in the top 10 for PPG.

The leaders right now are;

1. Harden 26.6
2. James 26
3. Davis 24.2
4. Cousins 24
5. Anthony 23.9
6. Aldridge 23.5
7. Curry 23.3
8. Griffin 23
9. Bryant 22.6
10. Wade 22.1

Now you have to remember Durant would be in there as would Westbrook but neither qualify this season so far due to injury.

I can see Butler being inside that top 10 with 22 PPG or slightly more.


Klay will continue to be a top 15 scorer (as he is now, Butler is currently in the top 20). I'm not sure if Klay will ever be a top 10 scorer but not because of a lack of ability, simply because of the scoring talent in this league. Those top 8 guys + KD and Westbrook aren't going anywhere, it will be difficult to crack that top 10. I think Butler will become THE number one option for Chicago and Klay will only ever be a #2 in Golden State, sheer volume will allow Butler to crack that top 10.

IndyRealist
01-19-2015, 12:17 PM
20ppg is arbitrary and doesn't tell you much without knowing mpg, TS%, etc. I'm sure if he sacrificed efficiency and jacked up 5-6 more shots/game he'd be at 20ppg, but he wouldn't be any more effective. But in the eyes of many, he'd be a star.

Goose17
01-19-2015, 12:17 PM
20ppg is arbitrary and doesn't tell you much without knowing mpg, TS%, etc. I'm sure if he sacrificed efficiency and jacked up 5-6 more shots/game he'd be at 20ppg, but he wouldn't be any more effective. But in the eyes of many, he'd be a star.

Nailed it. ^

Kaner
01-19-2015, 02:53 PM
http://www.blogabull.com/2015/1/16/7556643/jimmy-butler-shooting-regression-mike-dunleavy-synergy-sports-bulls

This is a good article about Butlers slump having alot to do with Dunleavy being out.

For those who don't want to read it the key points are

Floor spacing has taken a big hit with Dunleavy injured reducing driving lanes so he hasn't been able to get to the basket nearly as well or with as good of looks.

Butler being forced to play sf allows opposing defenses to put a bigger guy on him in the post where he was bullying opposing sg.

nycericanguy
01-19-2015, 02:57 PM
I just wonder if Butler is a guy that kind of caught the league by surprise the first 30 games or so, and now maybe teams are starting to prepare for him more?

Goose17
01-19-2015, 03:02 PM
http://www.blogabull.com/2015/1/16/7556643/jimmy-butler-shooting-regression-mike-dunleavy-synergy-sports-bulls

This is a good article about Butlers slump having alot to do with Dunleavy being out.

For those who don't want to read it the key points are

Floor spacing has taken a big hit with Dunleavy injured reducing driving lanes so he hasn't been able to get to the basket nearly as well or with as good of looks.

Butler being forced to play sf allows opposing defenses to put a bigger guy on him in the post where he was bullying opposing sg.

Good read. I appreciate the share. Like I say if he could hit the three himself that would open up his game so much.

benny01
01-19-2015, 03:06 PM
20.6ppg done.

But seriously, I have had my reservations about him because he rarely takes over streches of the game. The thing is, outside of the fact that he plays pretty heavy minutes, he's pretty bulletproof. He plays like we want players to play, he has no major holes in his game, he super efficient, he plays great d, and he works really hard. As an earlier poster said, he could probably jack up a few more shots and score 20+ a game pretty easily.

MrfadeawayJB
01-19-2015, 04:39 PM
Anyone can be a 20 pt scorer in the league if given the fga's to get there, so yes

nycericanguy
01-19-2015, 04:55 PM
Anyone can be a 20 pt scorer in the league if given the fga's to get there, so yes

well thats not really true... I mean in theory yes, but there are few guys that can create their own shots consistently enough to score 20ppg.

But the question was more is he a GO TO 20ppg scorer, as in a legit go to scorer that you can count on for 20ppg.

TheNumber37
01-19-2015, 05:51 PM
No, because he was also playing 40 minutes a night

Redrum187
01-19-2015, 06:44 PM
To answer the question, yes he CAN be. On a great system/team, he shouldn't be. He was insanely efficient his first 2 months but has fell off a cliff efficiency wise in January. Perhaps it's just a bad month... or perhaps this is where he's finally coming back down to earth.

Jeffy25
01-19-2015, 10:39 PM
Depends if he continues to shoot 14-15 shots per game.

He won't if Rose is getting more minutes.


Every player only scores like they do if they are in a situation that allows them to take as many shots as they need to. Most players, if they take 16 shots per game, will reach around 20 ppg

IKnowHoops
01-20-2015, 04:06 AM
Id take Kawai Loenard over him.

tredigs
01-20-2015, 07:38 AM
^Assuming that's drunk for Kawhi Leonard, I agree. Although that has absolutely no relevance or bearing on this discussion.

RLundi
01-20-2015, 08:59 AM
I said top 10 scorer. As in he would be in the top 10 for PPG.

The leaders right now are;

1. Harden 26.6
2. James 26
3. Davis 24.2
4. Cousins 24
5. Anthony 23.9
6. Aldridge 23.5
7. Curry 23.3
8. Griffin 23
9. Bryant 22.6
10. Wade 22.1

Now you have to remember Durant would be in there as would Westbrook but neither qualify this season so far due to injury.

I can see Butler being inside that top 10 with 22 PPG or slightly more.


Klay will continue to be a top 15 scorer (as he is now, Butler is currently in the top 20). I'm not sure if Klay will ever be a top 10 scorer but not because of a lack of ability, simply because of the scoring talent in this league. Those top 8 guys + KD and Westbrook aren't going anywhere, it will be difficult to crack that top 10. I think Butler will become THE number one option for Chicago and Klay will only ever be a #2 in Golden State, sheer volume will allow Butler to crack that top 10.

Oh, true, I misread.

JasonJohnHorn
01-20-2015, 09:16 AM
Because he is averaging over 20 points per game, I would have to say yes.

IndyRealist
01-20-2015, 10:26 AM
Edit: was going to rant, but eh. Wasn't exactly on topic anyway.

IKnowHoops
01-20-2015, 12:30 PM
^Assuming that's drunk for Kawhi Leonard, I agree. Although that has absolutely no relevance or bearing on this discussion.

Its sleepy/lazy for Leonard. Look at the time of post.

tredigs
01-20-2015, 12:40 PM
Its sleepy/lazy for Leonard. Look at the time of post.

Lol. Funny thing is I was tanked when I wrote that. Had just gotten home from my "Friday" night out.

tredigs
01-20-2015, 12:44 PM
To the OP, sure, why not? He's averaging about 19 per-36 on one of the slower paced teams in the league while not taking very many field goals or demanding an extra high Usage%. His ability to get to the line should keep him around that range if not higher so long as it's needed by the team he's on.