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IKnowHoops
01-15-2015, 07:17 PM
In a thread that asked who would be best between Drose, Wade and Kobe, I said that Kobe would not be able to average more than 24 points and shoot above 40%. Some Kobe/Lakers fan called me crazy. I know everyone expected a decline from Kobe, but many expected him to still be able to average around 22-25 points and shoot between 41-44%. That hasn't happened, not even close. So be real, did you expect this guy to have multiple single digit scoring games on double digit shot attempts, to barely shoot 35% from the field, to be basically garbage, and make the Lakers a worse team when he's out there?

Because I did.

nycericanguy
01-15-2015, 07:19 PM
he's shooting 37%, how is that "barely 35"...?

AI had many MVP type years where he shot under 40%.

I'm actually surprised Kobe can still play so many minutes and still is a 23/5/6 player

Lets be honest if he had better teammates he wouldnt be shooting 37%.

Tony_Starks
01-15-2015, 07:26 PM
Kobe Bryant 22 points 5 rebounds 5 assist horrible field gold percentage 19 years deep coming off 2 career ending surgery's. His worst year is in competition with most sg's THiS year.

Knock it off

Iron24th
01-15-2015, 07:27 PM
He's shooting too much and way inefficient, but still putting these numbers 23/5/6 is not bad for a 36 years old guard coming from two major injuries,on a crappy team, isn't it kobe hater?

Tony_Starks
01-15-2015, 07:31 PM
Also I noticed the OP didn't throw out the stat that nobody Kobe's age has ever had multiple triple doubles in one season......

THE MTL
01-15-2015, 07:33 PM
I fully expected him to shoot 40% and below all while still giving well over 20ppg

WOwolfOL
01-15-2015, 07:33 PM
Masturbation is a much better form of self gratification

FraziersKnicks
01-15-2015, 07:36 PM
I expected him to jack it up and average 20+ on abysmal shooting percentages. The guy has no will to win anymore, just pad his scoring numbers.

ILLUSIONIST^248
01-15-2015, 07:37 PM
Cut the **** clown. If you're going to troll,be original

xxplayerxx23
01-15-2015, 07:41 PM
I expected him to jack it up and average 20+ on abysmal shooting percentages. The guy has no will to win anymore, just pad his scoring numbers.


I hate kobe as much as the next guy but that is crazy. All the guy wants to do is win, his team is crap

bucketss
01-15-2015, 07:44 PM
his shooting percentage isn't suprising, i knew he would never change his role, which would result in a lot of bricks.

IKnowHoops
01-15-2015, 07:54 PM
It's been a common theme this summer that these guys are pretty much washed up and their teams won't be that great. But they each have something to prove this year. Just wanted to get everyone's take on these 3 now before the season starts.

How good do you think each will be, with what effect on their team?


I think Kobe will put up ~17/5/4 on 42% FG, miss ~20 games and throw a locker room forearm shiver at Nick Young somewhere around game 25. Lakers record: 22-60

I think Rose will put up 19/3/6.5 on 43% FG and miss 1/3rd of the season. Bulls record: 51-31

I think Wade will put up 24/5/6 on 50% FG and miss 20 games. Miami record: 48/34


Kobe Bryant: 25-5-6 44% fg
Dwyane Wade: 20-5-6 48% fg
Derrick Rose: 20-3-7 42% fg


Wade
Rose
Kobe

Wade is by far the safest choice to be the best imo.


Kobe : 19-5-4 (110 O-RTG) - Lakers 32Wins
Wade : 21.5-5-5 (108 ORTG) - Heat 41Wins
D-Rose : 18.5 -3-6 (106 ORTG) Bulls win 51 games


Im bullish on all these guys but I have the most hope in Kobe tho his team should be crap.


Wade: 20-5-6 on 47% plays 55 games, miami wins 45 games 5th seed

Kobe: 24-5-6 on 44% plays 70 games, lakers win 46 games 8th seed

Rose: 21-4-7 on 42% plays 75 games, bulls win 55 games 1st seed


Kobe: 24-5-5 on 43%, misses 10-15 games, Lakers win 37 games

Wade: 23-5-6 on 49%, misses 15 games, Heat win 48 games 4th seed

Rose: 19-3-6 on 42%, misses 10-20 games, Bulls win 57 games 1st seed

I'm actually pretty high on all of them


Wade: 24-4-8-50% shooting. Heat win 50 and get 3rd seed.

Kobe: 22-5-6-45% shooting. Lakers win 32 and get another lottery pick.

Rose: 20-3-9-47% shooting. I think he will be more of an actual PG this season. Bulls win 58 games and get 1st seed only if Rose is healthy.


Very easy to pick out homers in this thread. Chronic meltdowns. Anyway. If none of them having season ending injuries during the year, I think by the half way point of the season Rose will be the best and most productive of them all.

Kobe 17/4/4 on 39% FG
Wade 16.5/5/5 on 43% FG
Rose 18/7/4 on 43% FG

Even I didn't have him shooting this poorly, and no one else had him under 41%. Suffice to say nobody had him playing at such an inefficient clip.

RLundi
01-15-2015, 08:22 PM
He's shooting too much and way inefficient, but still putting these numbers 23/5/6 is not bad for a 36 years old guard coming from two major injuries,on a crappy team, isn't it kobe hater?

"Not bad"? Okay. He's shooting it more than 20 times a game, so yeah, only 23 points per game is bad.

And hopefully this fully puts to rest any comparisons between Kobe and MJ to rest. Even when MJ was 40 and coming off being away from the game for seasons he was way better than Kobe at 36 coming off an injury. When you look at it from that perspective, it makes what Kobe is doing look pretty bad.

IKnowHoops
01-15-2015, 08:24 PM
Cut the **** clown. If you're going to troll,be original

Not trolling, this is 100% legit, as the numbers he's putting up, or not putting up vs. what people predicted above, justifies this question.

cmellofan15
01-15-2015, 08:46 PM
nope. I think most people, like myself, assumed he would just cut the chucking when it got this bad.

JV35
01-15-2015, 08:48 PM
He's doing as expected. No more, no less.

IKnowHoops
01-15-2015, 08:59 PM
He's doing as expected. No more, no less.

I don't think so. Here are his predictions and none are really that close from an efficiency standpoint.


It's been a common theme this summer that these guys are pretty much washed up and their teams won't be that great. But they each have something to prove this year. Just wanted to get everyone's take on these 3 now before the season starts.

How good do you think each will be, with what effect on their team?


I think Kobe will put up ~17/5/4 on 42% FG, miss ~20 games and throw a locker room forearm shiver at Nick Young somewhere around game 25. Lakers record: 22-60

I think Rose will put up 19/3/6.5 on 43% FG and miss 1/3rd of the season. Bulls record: 51-31

I think Wade will put up 24/5/6 on 50% FG and miss 20 games. Miami record: 48/34


Kobe Bryant: 25-5-6 44% fg
Dwyane Wade: 20-5-6 48% fg
Derrick Rose: 20-3-7 42% fg


Wade
Rose
Kobe

Wade is by far the safest choice to be the best imo.


Kobe : 19-5-4 (110 O-RTG) - Lakers 32Wins
Wade : 21.5-5-5 (108 ORTG) - Heat 41Wins
D-Rose : 18.5 -3-6 (106 ORTG) Bulls win 51 games


Im bullish on all these guys but I have the most hope in Kobe tho his team should be crap.


Wade: 20-5-6 on 47% plays 55 games, miami wins 45 games 5th seed

Kobe: 24-5-6 on 44% plays 70 games, lakers win 46 games 8th seed

Rose: 21-4-7 on 42% plays 75 games, bulls win 55 games 1st seed


Kobe: 24-5-5 on 43%, misses 10-15 games, Lakers win 37 games

Wade: 23-5-6 on 49%, misses 15 games, Heat win 48 games 4th seed

Rose: 19-3-6 on 42%, misses 10-20 games, Bulls win 57 games 1st seed

I'm actually pretty high on all of them


Wade: 24-4-8-50% shooting. Heat win 50 and get 3rd seed.

Kobe: 22-5-6-45% shooting. Lakers win 32 and get another lottery pick.

Rose: 20-3-9-47% shooting. I think he will be more of an actual PG this season. Bulls win 58 games and get 1st seed only if Rose is healthy.


Very easy to pick out homers in this thread. Chronic meltdowns. Anyway. If none of them having season ending injuries during the year, I think by the half way point of the season Rose will be the best and most productive of them all.

Kobe 17/4/4 on 39% FG
Wade 16.5/5/5 on 43% FG
Rose 18/7/4 on 43% FG

BKdoubleStacker
01-15-2015, 08:59 PM
I expected him to jack it up and average 20+ on abysmal shooting percentages. The guy has no will to win anymore, just pad his scoring numbers.

How exactly does he not have the will? The Lakers are trash. Even if he was shooting 50% the Lakers wouldn't sniff the playoffs

numba1CHANGsta
01-15-2015, 10:42 PM
He did it for the Tank

Jamiecballer
01-15-2015, 10:45 PM
I expected him to be relatively ineffective but his attitude has surprised me. I did not expect him to be this stubborn frankly.

Lakers + Giants
01-15-2015, 10:50 PM
I expected him to be done, but honestly he's been worse than I expected.

Great for the tank tho.

GiantsSwaGG
01-15-2015, 10:52 PM
His shooting percentage is horrible as usual. He's a chucker

nickdymez
01-15-2015, 11:26 PM
This forum is a joke

Iron24th
01-16-2015, 12:11 AM
"Not bad"? Okay. He's shooting it more than 20 times a game, so yeah, only 23 points per game is bad.

And hopefully this fully puts to rest any comparisons between Kobe and MJ to rest. Even when MJ was 40 and coming off being away from the game for seasons he was way better than Kobe at 36 coming off an injury. When you look at it from that perspective, it makes what Kobe is doing look pretty bad.

Why do you talk about the MJ comparison? Still off topic I see, did you only find MJ being better than Kobe as a SG at 36? Just the GOAT? What a surprise...

izmb
01-16-2015, 12:12 AM
too many people hate on kobe bryant

the fact that he is putting up these numbers at his age despite injuries and a devastating team is marvelous

Crunch Time
01-16-2015, 12:23 AM
I expected him to be done, but honestly he's been worse than I expected.

Great for the tank tho.

??? What's worse than done?

Lakers + Giants
01-16-2015, 12:47 AM
??? What's worse than done?

hurting your team.

not that I mind.

Lakers + Giants
01-16-2015, 12:48 AM
His shooting percentage is horrible as usual. He's a chucker

Cuz he's always shot this bad right?

KingstonHawke
01-16-2015, 01:14 AM
He's shooting too much and way inefficient, but still putting these numbers 23/5/6 is not bad for a 36 years old guard coming from two major injuries,on a crappy team, isn't it kobe hater?

So instead of shooting, he should pass the ball to... Randle?

At least his bench is strong and healthy so he doesn't have to play a ton of minutes... oh, wait.

But at least his teammates play really good defense so he can save his energy... oh, yeah, forgot about Boozer and Lin.

Y'all want to hate on Vino so bad. But in reality, he was carrying that garbage team on his back and putting up 27/5/5 with no help until his body started breaking down further. They should've been traded him to the Knicks so he could coast to the playoffs, and they could retain their draft pick.

Hopefully the Lakers deal Randle and Nash to the Pistons for Jennings and Monroe. Jennings/Bryant/Young/Monroe/Okafor and money to spend. They go right back to being a playoff team next year. I'd even try and swap houston's 1st, a future 1st, and Young for Pierce. Pierce, Garnett, and Allen reunited in LA for one last run at a title. 4 seed easy.

RLundi
01-16-2015, 01:17 AM
Why do you talk about the MJ comparison? Still off topic I see, did you only find MJ being better than Kobe as a SG at 36? Just the GOAT? What a surprise...

It's relevant because it's who Kobe is most compared to. Like it or not, LeBron and Kobe get compared to MJ the most. It's all relative, or does mentioning LeBron's name make this off topic too?

And um, yeah, the only one better than Kobe at 36 is MJ. Why does that surprise you? Kobe is the second best shooting guard ever. What, you expected some random player worse than Kobe over the course of his entire career to somehow at the age of 36 have a better or even comparative season to Kobe's season this year? Where is the logic in that?

Point is, there are people that think Kobe is just a hair below Jordan, as if they belong in the same conversation. They don't. As impressive as it is that Kobe is averaging 22 a game at 36 coming off a major surgery and taking a year off, how much more impressive (and eye-opening and conclusive) is it that Jordan averaged 22-6-5 on 42% shooting at age 38 after coming off retirement and taking THREE years off?

What Kobe is doing is fairly impressive. But what Jordan did closes the door on the discussion that Kobe is even in MJ's stratosphere. Kobe has his own stratosphere above Wade, but he's nowhere near Michael.

nickdymez
01-16-2015, 01:19 AM
Hes got 14 assists right now, I say he gets 20 tonight and his 3 triple double

RLundi
01-16-2015, 01:21 AM
They should've been traded him to the Knicks so he could coast to the playoffs, and they could retain their draft pick.

Hopefully the Lakers deal Randle and Nash to the Pistons for Jennings and Monroe. Jennings/Bryant/Young/Monroe/Okafor and money to spend. They go right back to being a playoff team next year. I'd even try and swap houston's 1st, a future 1st, and Young for Pierce. Pierce, Garnett, and Allen reunited in LA for one last run at a title. 4 seed easy.

:pity:

PowerHouse
01-16-2015, 01:31 AM
Who allows morons like I-dont-know-****-about-hoops make these bait/troll threads?

How about I go to your house right now, rip your achilles tendon in half, break your lateral tibial plateau bone, let you have a few months to heal it off, throw you out on a basketball court against NBA athletes some of which are half your age and then we'll see how dominant you are.

You might come back with "well this isnt about me, its about Kobe". Damn right you're not Kobe.

Iron24th
01-16-2015, 02:13 AM
It's relevant because it's who Kobe is most compared to. Like it or not, LeBron and Kobe get compared to MJ the most. It's all relative, or does mentioning LeBron's name make this off topic too?

And um, yeah, the only one better than Kobe at 36 is MJ. Why does that surprise you? Kobe is the second best shooting guard ever. What, you expected some random player worse than Kobe over the course of his entire career to somehow at the age of 36 have a better or even comparative season to Kobe's season this year? Where is the logic in that?

Point is, there are people that think Kobe is just a hair below Jordan, as if they belong in the same conversation. They don't. As impressive as it is that Kobe is averaging 22 a game at 36 coming off a major surgery and taking a year off, how much more impressive (and eye-opening and conclusive) is it that Jordan averaged 22-6-5 on 42% shooting at age 38 after coming off retirement and taking THREE years off?

What Kobe is doing is fairly impressive. But what Jordan did closes the door on the discussion that Kobe is even in MJ's stratosphere. Kobe has his own stratosphere above Wade, but he's nowhere near Michael.

And?....

Once again that wasn't the topic, neither was my post, if you had some past fights about it with some other posters, go get them, period.

BKdoubleStacker
01-16-2015, 02:17 AM
Why do mods continue to let this garbage run amuck

Lakers + Giants
01-16-2015, 02:18 AM
Who allows morons like I-dont-know-****-about-hoops make these bait/troll threads?

How about I go to your house right now, rip your achilles tendon in half, break your lateral tibial plateau bone, let you have a few months to heal it off, throw you out on a basketball court against NBA athletes some of which are half your age and then we'll see how dominant you are.

You might come back with "well this isnt about me, its about Kobe". Damn right you're not Kobe.

:laugh2:

ILLUSIONIST^248
01-16-2015, 02:22 AM
17 assist

IKnowHoops
01-16-2015, 02:38 AM
Who allows morons like I-dont-know-****-about-hoops make these bait/troll threads?

How about I go to your house right now, rip your achilles tendon in half, break your lateral tibial plateau bone, let you have a few months to heal it off, throw you out on a basketball court against NBA athletes some of which are half your age and then we'll see how dominant you are.

You might come back with "well this isnt about me, its about Kobe". Damn right you're not Kobe.

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:: laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::l augh::laugh:

Jeffy25
01-16-2015, 02:40 AM
Honestly, if he keeps faciliating like he did tonight, and stops taking so many contested shots, he'll start getting more open opportunities.

He can still maintain his 22 points per game then taking 18 shot attempts per game, and he'll shoot closer to 40%

I thought 20-22 PPG, on 40% shooting, but I was hoping we would see 8ish assists per game

IKnowHoops
01-16-2015, 02:45 AM
I'd actually love Kobe on my team if he played like he did tonight for the rest of his career. He can still get to where he wants on the court, he just can't finish, but his ball skills are undeniable and he could be one of the best facilitators in the game. If he truly decided to play like this for the rest of his career...playing like Rhondo...I'd love him as my starting point guard right now. He just doesn't have the lift or athletic ability to take those low percentage shots all game long like he has his whole career. He can either be a great facilitator or an anchor around the neck of his team.

MetroMan
01-16-2015, 02:50 AM
If Kobe continues to pass the ball efficiently, defenders will back off and he may get better looks at the basket. This game was a great example of it.

To answer the OP's questions, I did expect Kobe to get this many points but the FG is not good at all.

PowerHouse
01-16-2015, 02:52 AM
:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:: laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::l augh::laugh:

:facepalm:

I really didnt expect an intelligent response from you but wtf?

WaDe03
01-16-2015, 03:13 AM
Wades the best.

cahawk
01-16-2015, 05:08 AM
kobe going into his 19th game tonight vs Lebron & Cavs, kobe shooing 36% & 26% 3's.
Lebron has won 13 of last 16 against kobe & after this game has now beaten kobe 14-5.
In those 19 meetings, Lebron has averaged more points, assists & rebounds than kobe.

Sean Moore
01-16-2015, 07:24 AM
It's been pretty bad this year. It's not like the Lakers would have all that many more wins if he was shooting above 40% though. Honestly he is helping them to protect that top five pick.

Sean Moore
01-16-2015, 07:27 AM
kobe going into his 19th game tonight vs Lebron & Cavs, kobe shooing 36% & 26% 3's.
Lebron has won 13 of last 16 against kobe & after this game has now beaten kobe 14-5.
In those 19 meetings, Lebron has averaged more points, assists & rebounds than kobe.

Kobe has been on some pretty awful teams the past few seasons during most of those match ups. Kinda a skewed stat if you ask me.

RLundi
01-16-2015, 08:13 AM
And?....

Once again that wasn't the topic, neither was my post, if you had some past fights about it with some other posters, go get them, period.

I wasn't addressing you specifically with the MJ topic you continue to whine about being off topic. I addressed your initial "not bad" comment, then in a separate paragraph I digressed about MJ. Sorry if you thought that was all for you (why wouldn't you, I quoted you) but nonetheless you responded, and by doing so you've become the person I'm going to "go get ... period."

PhillyFaninLA
01-16-2015, 08:37 AM
Congratulations....you made a topic to brag that you where right about something and now you can get validation from strangers on the internet

PurpleLynch
01-16-2015, 08:45 AM
Yes. Any Lakers fan predicted that our team would be awful and that Kobe would play bad after that last injury.

But,to me, it's still impressive that he can put these kind of numbers considering age and health.

Iron24th
01-16-2015, 05:01 PM
I wasn't addressing you specifically with the MJ topic you continue to whine about being off topic. I addressed your initial "not bad" comment, then in a separate paragraph I digressed about MJ. Sorry if you thought that was all for you (why wouldn't you, I quoted you) but nonetheless you responded, and by doing so you've become the person I'm going to "go get ... period."

Yeah I repeat, his shooting attempts are awful, his % too, but his numbers 22/5/6 are not bad for a 36 years old SG coming from two major injuries, I don't see why MJ is brought into the discussion.

IKnowHoops
01-16-2015, 06:20 PM
Congratulations....you made a topic to brag that you where right about something and now you can get validation from strangers on the internet

Actually I was wrong too. I didn't have him this inefficient either, and I am a stickler for Kobe's inefficiency and yet and still overestimated him and got it wrong. I wasn't looking for validation either. Anyone who has seen me post knows I have gotten plenty wrong, (Beasley, Cavs 2015 record just to name a few), so knowing that, Im not going to beat my chest when I get something right. But again, I didn't get this right either so this doesn't even pertain to one of these situations. This is just an interesting subject because he deals with the downfall of one of the most dominant, arrogant and popular basketball players of all time.

jericho
01-16-2015, 06:32 PM
I actually did expect him to perform this way. He was in the wrong side of 30 coming from a major injury. I have to admit ever since he started playing with the team he has been putting better numbers.

jericho
01-16-2015, 06:57 PM
Damn people are so touchy here. We cant have a thread without anybody calling someone a troll just because they don't like your opinion. I see it everywhere from the Melo threads, to the Lebrons, Kobes, etc, etc, etc. Like seriously people its just a difference in opinion. You don't have to like it, but it ain't trolling.

Chronz
01-16-2015, 10:29 PM
Masturbation is a much better form of self gratification

Ftw lol

You're being a. dick tho