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kdspurman
01-12-2015, 06:31 PM
Games for the week:

http://espn.go.com/nba/schedule

Some notable games:

San Antonio at Washington (Tuesday)

Washington at Chicago (Wednesday)

LA Clippers at Portland (Wednesday)

Oklahoma City at Houston (Thursday)

Atlanta at Toronto (Friday)

Golden State at Oklahoma City (Friday)

Portland at San Antonio (Friday)

Atlanta at Chicago (Saturday)

Golden State at Houston (Saturday)

Portland at Memphis (Saturday)

Htownballa1622
01-12-2015, 08:51 PM
Kg being a ***** already.

Smdh. Some fools never change. Glad dwight didn't let kg get away with that but unfortunately this benefits nets.

c.c.
01-12-2015, 08:52 PM
Garnett thought Dwight wasn't gonna do anything. Boy was he wrong

Htownballa1622
01-12-2015, 08:53 PM
Garnett is a known punk. He's all bark.

P.o.s

Htownballa1622
01-12-2015, 08:54 PM
Garnett ejected!

Ahahahah. ***** *** punk

c.c.
01-12-2015, 09:00 PM
Garnett ejected!

Ahahahah. ***** *** punk

Everyone calls Dwight soft on the court so I guess KG tried to test his toughness as man and really got heated when Dwight retaliated with a slap to the face!

Htownballa1622
01-12-2015, 09:07 PM
Everyone calls Dwight soft on the court so I guess KG tried to test his toughness as man and really got heated when Dwight retaliated with a slap to the face!

Ppl that call dwight soft are morons. There's a difference in not retaliating/being smart than being soft.

Kg is just all bark. I've LONG said this time and time again. Ask Anthony Peeler.

lakerfan85
01-12-2015, 09:16 PM
Ppl that call dwight soft are morons. There's a difference in not retaliating/being smart than being soft.

Kg is just all bark. I've LONG said this time and time again. Ask Anthony Peeler.

What's his number?

Htownballa1622
01-12-2015, 09:19 PM
What's his number?


YouTube him :p

lakerfan85
01-12-2015, 09:21 PM
YouTube him :p

Lol!!

kdspurman
01-12-2015, 09:31 PM
Ppl that call dwight soft are morons. There's a difference in not retaliating/being smart than being soft.

Kg is just all bark. I've LONG said this time and time again. Ask Anthony Peeler.

I wouldn't call anyone morons for that. it's not just about the not retaliating, I think his personality plays a part too.

David Robinson was called soft a lot during his career too (a Navy guy at that lol). I don't think either guys are personally, but I get why people say it due to their personalities.

Htownballa1622
01-12-2015, 09:33 PM
I wouldn't call anyone morons for that. it's not just about the not retaliating, I think his personality plays a part too.

David Robinson was called soft a lot during his career too (a Navy guy at that lol). I don't think either guys are personally, but I get why people say it due to their personalities.

Well I don't think that smiling or being softspoken= soft.

ppl act like if someone doesn't retaliate they're soft.

I've met D Rob. Great guy. Softspoken but def not soft.

Cal827
01-12-2015, 10:07 PM
**** The Raptors are just plain atrocious in 3rd quarters :laugh2:

Cal827
01-12-2015, 10:20 PM
Did I miss an injury? How the **** is Kyle not in the game yet? Louis is erratic right now lol

Htownballa1622
01-12-2015, 10:22 PM
Harden cooking boys' ankles tonight.

Phenomenonsense
01-12-2015, 11:01 PM
Good win boys. Always knew the Craptors would collapse.

BKdoubleStacker
01-12-2015, 11:13 PM
Bulls have no defense

GodsSon
01-12-2015, 11:18 PM
Good win boys. Always knew the Craptors would collapse.

At least JV is still better than Drummond.

Cal827
01-12-2015, 11:20 PM
Well, good win Detroit. Speaking on the Raptors, Derozan better stop taking a ****ing vacation :laugh2:

Deception
01-12-2015, 11:22 PM
At least JV is still better than Drummond.

He shoots better free throws fergodsakes! What other argument do you need to defend that statement?

Cal827
01-12-2015, 11:25 PM
He shoots better free throws fergodsakes! What other argument do you need to defend that statement?

:laugh: Here we go with the one-sided debate again :D

GodsSon
01-12-2015, 11:28 PM
He shoots better free throws fergodsakes! What other argument do you need to defend that statement?

He ***** on Drummond pretty much every time they play each other.

Vampirate
01-12-2015, 11:36 PM
It looks like it was lose to inferior competition night, Toronto, Chicago and New Orleans all lost (give credit to the competition still) only Houston played the part of the superior team tonight.

bucketss
01-12-2015, 11:42 PM
He ***** on Drummond pretty much every time they play each other.

funny thing is pistons started coming back once drummond was benched. valanciaunas completely dominated him.

Deception
01-12-2015, 11:49 PM
funny thing is pistons started coming back once drummond was benched. valanciaunas completely dominated him.

Drummond is dealing with an illness, he's been fighting it since the Atlanta game. Before that he was averaging 17 and 17 over the past 8-9 games.

Deception
01-12-2015, 11:50 PM
:laugh: Here we go with the one-sided debate again :D

JV is a legit center, I just like to mess with Raptors fans since that was an main point they used to state JV is superior to Drummond.

Cal827
01-12-2015, 11:51 PM
Drummond is dealing with an illness, he's been fighting it since the Atlanta game. Before that he was averaging 17 and 17 over the past 8-9 games.

He's been dominant. Josh Smith Holds everything back. He Left Atlanta, shortly after look where they are now.

Leaves Detroit, now Detroit is playing like the best team in the League.

:laugh2: Houston better follow suit :D

Deception
01-12-2015, 11:52 PM
He's been dominant. Josh Smith Holds everything back. He Left Atlanta, shortly after look where they are now.

Leaves Detroit, now Detroit is playing like the best team in the League.

:laugh2: Houston better follow suit :D

It's really cool to see a team transition to winning by just losing one player. Raptors did it last year and sparked a huge run, Pistons did the same this year. Watch the Knicks trade Melo next year and make the 8th seed

Cal827
01-12-2015, 11:53 PM
JV is a legit center, I just like to mess with Raptors fans since that was an main point they used to state JV is superior to Drummond.


:laugh2: Ah I see. I'm a Raptor fan who completely agrees that Drummond is better than JV. JV might be better offensively, but Drummond has the dominant potential on the defensive end. I think Van Gundy is an excellent choice of a coach to develop his game. Perhaps the next Dwight (well, when Dwight was elite).

Cal827
01-12-2015, 11:55 PM
It's really cool to see a team transition to winning by just losing one player. Raptors did it last year and sparked a huge run, Pistons did the same this year. Watch the Knicks trade Melo next year and make the 8th seed

:laugh: This forum would pretty much blow up.

SF8
01-12-2015, 11:56 PM
I saw on Twitter that Pau "got killed" and a bunch of "RIP Pau Gasol, you will be remembered" tweets.

Anyone know what happened? I'm currently on my phone so can't see.

Vampirate
01-12-2015, 11:57 PM
Wow, no idea if it'll last but Atlanta looks like it could run away with the East with the way things are going.

Deception
01-12-2015, 11:57 PM
Also, for the Jennings haters, his stats since the Smith release:

20.3 PPG
47% shooting
42.2% from 3
7.0 Assists
1.7 TO's

These aren't all star numbers by any means, but he's definitely stepped it up, shot well and ran the offense well.

Cal827
01-12-2015, 11:59 PM
I saw on Twitter that Pau "got killed" and a bunch of "RIP Pau Gasol, you will be remembered" tweets.

Anyone know what happened? I'm currently on my phone so can't see.

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/1/12/7535725/nikola-vucevic-annihilates-pau-gasol-with-one-handed-dunk

Vucecic Dunked over him.

goingfor28
01-13-2015, 12:22 AM
Also, for the Jennings haters, his stats since the Smith release:

20.3 PPG
47% shooting
42.2% from 3
7.0 Assists
1.7 TO's

These aren't all star numbers by any means, but he's definitely stepped it up, shot well and ran the offense well.

Kudos to him.

goingfor28
01-13-2015, 12:22 AM
I saw on Twitter that Pau "got killed" and a bunch of "RIP Pau Gasol, you will be remembered" tweets.

Anyone know what happened? I'm currently on my phone so can't see.

Vucevic dunked on him hardddddd

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/1/12/7535725/nikola-vucevic-annihilates-pau-gasol-with-one-handed-dunk

bucketss
01-13-2015, 12:28 AM
Also, for the Jennings haters, his stats since the Smith release:

20.3 PPG
47% shooting
42.2% from 3
7.0 Assists
1.7 TO's

These aren't all star numbers by any means, but he's definitely stepped it up, shot well and ran the offense well.

huh seems like all star numbers to me

BKdoubleStacker
01-13-2015, 12:29 AM
Also, for the Jennings haters, his stats since the Smith release:

20.3 PPG
47% shooting
42.2% from 3
7.0 Assists
1.7 TO's

These aren't all star numbers by any means, but he's definitely stepped it up, shot well and ran the offense well.

Let's see him do it for a season. He would be a good scoring punch off the bench but he is not a starter

Deception
01-13-2015, 12:49 AM
Let's see him do it for a season. He would be a good scoring punch off the bench but he is not a starter

Explain why you think he's not a starter

Deception
01-13-2015, 12:52 AM
huh seems like all star numbers to me

I actually had the wrong stats at first, ESPN didn't count the game he just played, before he was just around 18, 6, 44.9% shooting. But I don't like to be a homer and say Jennings is having all star numbers because critics will come at me and it's not worth defending. I don't think he will keep up this type of play, but he has put away Pistons critics and hopefully he can do the same with regular fans.

rocket
01-13-2015, 12:53 AM
Explain why you think he's not a starter

because he's "Brandon Jennings"

BKdoubleStacker
01-13-2015, 01:02 AM
He's a career 39% shooter who takes 15 shots a game.

SF8
01-13-2015, 01:02 AM
Explain why you think he's not a starter

1) He's barely averaging 14 pts a game as a starting PG.

2) He's shooting 40% from the floor. Yup, that's right 40% from the floor.

3) Averaging 6 assists a game but also throwing the ball away 2 times a game.

No PG should be able to shoot that bad and continue to start for any team ever.

Lakers + Giants
01-13-2015, 01:09 AM
Tre, if youre on, I just won some $ cuz of you.

Bet on Buckeyes ML. Don't know **** about NCAA Football but took your word a few days back!

:cheers:

Deception
01-13-2015, 01:19 AM
1) He's barely averaging 14 pts a game as a starting PG.

2) He's shooting 40% from the floor. Yup, that's right 40% from the floor.

3) Averaging 6 assists a game but also throwing the ball away 2 times a game.

No PG should be able to shoot that bad and continue to start for any team ever.

Really? Then you're saying Derrick Rose shouldn't start for the Bulls if you want to throw stats out like that. Rose is shooting 39.8% from the field

SF8
01-13-2015, 01:21 AM
Really? Then you're saying Derrick Rose shouldn't start for the Bulls if you want to throw stats out like that. Rose is shooting 39.8% from the field

Ask any Bulls fan if they think Rose has played like a starting caliber PG this season.

basch152
01-13-2015, 01:45 AM
1) He's barely averaging 14 pts a game as a starting PG.

2) He's shooting 40% from the floor. Yup, that's right 40% from the floor.

3) Averaging 6 assists a game but also throwing the ball away 2 times a game.

No PG should be able to shoot that bad and continue to start for any team ever.

Maybe you should check his stats since smith was cut.

20.3 ppg
7 apg
1.7 turnovers
47% fg%
42% 3pt%

It's easy to say someone played like **** when you have a chucker like smith completely ruining team chemistry and ball movement.

And it's not like these 10 games are outliers, it's fairly close to his career averages.

So yeah, don't talk when you have no clue what you're talking about.

BKdoubleStacker
01-13-2015, 02:46 AM
1) He's barely averaging 14 pts a game as a starting PG.

2) He's shooting 40% from the floor. Yup, that's right 40% from the floor.

3) Averaging 6 assists a game but also throwing the ball away 2 times a game.

No PG should be able to shoot that bad and continue to start for any team ever.

Maybe you should check his stats since smith was cut.

20.3 ppg
7 apg
1.7 turnovers
47% fg%
42% 3pt%

It's easy to say someone played like **** when you have a chucker like smith completely ruining team chemistry and ball movement.

And it's not like these 10 games are outliers, it's fairly close to his career averages.

So yeah, don't talk when you have no clue what you're talking about.

How are those close to his career averages?

aussie
01-13-2015, 03:26 AM
can anyone tell me why GSW line is at -7.5 against the Jazz tomorrow? Any injuries, etc?

Lakers + Giants
01-13-2015, 04:49 AM
Well it's on the road, and Gobert is playing solid. Seems reasonable to me. Don't see anything wrong with the spread.

SF8
01-13-2015, 06:47 AM
Maybe you should check his stats since smith was cut.

20.3 ppg
7 apg
1.7 turnovers
47% fg%
42% 3pt%

It's easy to say someone played like **** when you have a chucker like smith completely ruining team chemistry and ball movement.

And it's not like these 10 games are outliers, it's fairly close to his career averages.

So yeah, don't talk when you have no clue what you're talking about.

LOL, um no Jennings is not starter worthy. The whole Pistons team has amazing stats since Smith left, I guess we should just give MVP to Drummond then right?

Ron Pearlman
01-13-2015, 07:18 AM
Explain why you think he's not a starter

1) He's barely averaging 14 pts a game as a starting PG.

2) He's shooting 40% from the floor. Yup, that's right 40% from the floor.

3) Averaging 6 assists a game but also throwing the ball away 2 times a game.

No PG should be able to shoot that bad and continue to start for any team ever.

1) He's barely even our starting point guard. He's playing 28 MPG, and there's a reason for that. He's not a superstar. But he's not nearly as bad as he looked while Smith was here. Jennings has been attacking the basket like never before. His scoring numbers will go up.

2) You yourself just admitted to the fact that every single player on the Pistons has played better after dropping Smith, it's not just a coincidence. Piston fans consider themselves to be 9-1, and in that Jennings isn't shooting 40%. You can consider any scenario you want.

3) Is this even a point to make? His A/TO ratio is better than average, and his APP numbers are on par with the elite point guards in this league. I wouldn't bring that one up again, his A/TO is just fine.

Too bad he's not arguing what he's shot for his career. I will hold off and wait to see what Jennings does the rest of this season before I tout him as being this changed player. But you very clearly haven't watched him play (sans Smith). He has been super clutch without Smith there, and is playing great team ball.

Ron Pearlman
01-13-2015, 07:21 AM
Also, for the Jennings haters, his stats since the Smith release:

20.3 PPG
47% shooting
42.2% from 3
7.0 Assists
1.7 TO's

These aren't all star numbers by any means, but he's definitely stepped it up, shot well and ran the offense well.

Let's see him do it for a season. He would be a good scoring punch off the bench but he is not a starter

Making him a top 3 point guard in the conference? You are both on two different extremes.

I agree that Jennings is not a long term starting option at the point, but he can turn it on like few others in this league and deserves the wait and see approach. He has been playing well and the team has been tearing it up. They aren't empty numbers.

Ron Pearlman
01-13-2015, 07:58 AM
Brandon Jennings's January

22.7 PPG, 7.4 APG, 1.6 SPG, 1.4 TPG

47% FG, 42% 3 in 29 MPG.

Them per 36 #'s tho

Gators123
01-13-2015, 10:41 AM
Jennings has been the Pistons best player since Smith has been cut.

@tomhaberstroh

Brandon Jennings vs. the Josh Smith release:
Before: 12.6 pts, 6.4 ast, 36.8 FG%, 15.5 PER
After: 20.3 pts, 7.0 ast, 47.0 FG%, 28.8 PER

bcgh
01-13-2015, 11:06 AM
Garnett thought Dwight wasn't gonna do anything. Boy was he wrong http://ehealthca.com/hu12uk1.jpg http://ehealthca.com/ipad/images/123.gif

Verbal Christ
01-13-2015, 02:53 PM
Garnett got open hand slapped! LOL Dwight should have back handed him to make it extra nice.

Whats up with the Jeckyl and Hyde nature of the Bulls? Last week they beat the Rockets and it was all champagne and caviar and then they get dealth with in their next two ugly style, win one then get stomped on again? Doesnt seem that team has the resiliency to win a long grueling series currently. Better clean that up by April.

Ron Pearlman
01-13-2015, 03:16 PM
^Their success is completely dependent on Butler and Gasol.

Ron Pearlman
01-13-2015, 03:17 PM
Btw, there's a rumor floating around that Joe Dumars is going to become the next GM of the Pelicans.

:clap:

Deception
01-13-2015, 05:46 PM
Btw, there's a rumor floating around that Joe Dumars is going to become the next GM of the Pelicans.

:clap:

Get ready Pelicans fans for overpaying for mediocre players and holding onto players way past their prime (Tayshaun Prince and Rip Hamilton got huge unwarranted extensions)

Sanjay
01-13-2015, 06:17 PM
^Their success is completely dependent on Butler and Gasol.

I would have thought it would depend on the health/level of Rose?

DaBear
01-13-2015, 06:28 PM
I would have thought it would depend on the health/level of Rose?

Yes, for the postseason.

Htownballa1622
01-13-2015, 09:04 PM
Ppl need to start calling out these role players for flopping too.

Patty mills (b4 half) with a blatant flail of the arms as John wall just strips him.

Smh. But I'm sure it'll be the same old narrative of only certain players flopping.

Saddletramp
01-13-2015, 09:19 PM
Btw, there's a rumor floating around that Joe Dumars is going to become the next GM of the Pelicans.

:clap:

Sweet. Just as they were looking up, too. Of course signing Tyreke, drafting Rivers and matching Bledsoe weren't particularly the greatest GM moves.

kdspurman
01-13-2015, 09:32 PM
Timmy looking like a point guard out there

kdspurman
01-13-2015, 10:05 PM
refs missed an obvious goaltending there, then a charge... bru-tal...

offense needs to pick it up. hopefully Manu/Tim are back after this TO

*Silver&Black*
01-13-2015, 10:15 PM
Hawks completing their transformation into 'Spurs East', by resting starters and still blowing out teams.

Horford with a triple-double.

papipapsmanny
01-13-2015, 10:21 PM
John Wall with a very good game

mngopher35
01-13-2015, 10:24 PM
Mo Williams setting high score for this season with 48. Lolz

mngopher35
01-13-2015, 10:29 PM
And he gets 50, looks like our losing streak is ending tonight.

Crackadalic
01-13-2015, 10:33 PM
This dude Mo Williams got 52 points. And I drop him in my fantasy league smh.

Lakers + Giants
01-13-2015, 10:44 PM
Cle gonna try to reunite mo with bron now.

Crackadalic
01-13-2015, 11:10 PM
As much as I cringe at JR he is a hell of a catch and shoot player. He is very efficient when he does that. He might be a better fit then Kyrie who needs the ball in his hands.

tredigs
01-13-2015, 11:28 PM
ALERT: Showers inside Energy Solutions Arena. Flash flood warning.

tredigs
01-13-2015, 11:37 PM
The Warriors are one of the best teams I have ever seen.





















How's that for homer?

tredigs
01-13-2015, 11:39 PM
Curry just does whatever he wants whenever he wants. It's insane.

True Sports Fan
01-13-2015, 11:46 PM
Kings with a nice start against Dallas but no Rudy for the rest of the game will hurt

Hardaway Here
01-13-2015, 11:54 PM
Whiteside is just bullying the Lakers on his own lmao.

bucketss
01-13-2015, 11:55 PM
my goodness jr smith is on fire.

FlashBolt
01-13-2015, 11:55 PM
Holy crap.. J.R. just made four straight threes.

Crackadalic
01-14-2015, 12:00 AM
Allstar Jr came out tonight

FlashBolt
01-14-2015, 12:01 AM
Is it too late for Cavs to trade Irving? This guy seems to be more worried about his handles rather than how he plays.

tredigs
01-14-2015, 12:06 AM
Curry's going to have the least minutes played per game for an MVP in history. Kid never gets to play 4th quarters.

mightybosstone
01-14-2015, 12:09 AM
Curry's going to have the least minutes played per game for an MVP in history. Kid never gets to play 4th quarters.

It's hardly a foregone conclusion at this point that anyone is going to win the MVP. I certainly wouldn't say Curry's got a substantial lead over Harden.

tredigs
01-14-2015, 12:14 AM
It's hardly a foregone conclusion at this point that anyone is going to win the MVP. I certainly wouldn't say Curry's got a substantial lead over Harden.

Over Harden? Of course he does. Better individually, more popular, and leading a team that's going to cruise to 65 wins if he stays healthy. Rox are 50/50 to even get HCA.

Hardaway Here
01-14-2015, 12:19 AM
OMG Granger sucks!!!!!!!!!!!

mightybosstone
01-14-2015, 12:19 AM
Over Harden? Of course he does. Better individually, more popular, and leading a team that's going to cruise to 65 wins if he stays healthy. Rox are 50/50 to even get HCA.

Better team does not mean he's got a better case for MVP. Harden has been the more productive overall player, and I've seen multiple analysts list him as their pick for midseason MVP. Also, how do you figure that Curry is "more popular?" I fail to to see that logic.

tredigs
01-14-2015, 12:20 AM
I'm just messing around, long season yada yada. And in reality, the lack of minutes is going to hurt him. I don't know if you can win MVP only playing 32 a night, the box-score #'s won't be high enough for a lot of old school voters.

FlashBolt
01-14-2015, 12:24 AM
Kyrie Irving is just God awful. He's young but wow... Wade>Irving any day.

Lakers + Giants
01-14-2015, 12:24 AM
Lakers were down 18-0 to start the game. I still think we're gonna win. God Miami ****in sucks.

tredigs
01-14-2015, 12:24 AM
Better team does not mean he's got a better case for MVP. Harden has been the more productive overall player, and I've seen multiple analysts list him as their pick for midseason MVP. Also, how do you figure that Curry is "more popular?" I fail to to see that logic.

Well, team wins is the #1 predictor for NBA MVP, so actually yeah it does.

Not sure how you'd call Harden the more productive overall player either. In what way? Higher box-score stats in certain metrics? Curry has the better advanced line, and that'll go up after tonight.

And yes he's certainly more popular in general. He already had nearly a million All Star votes 6 days ago, that's #1 in the conference and about 30% more than Harden.

Most lists do have him #1 nearing the midway point here, and once they start racking up wins over 60 it will probably be too many for most to ignore.

Lakers + Giants
01-14-2015, 12:26 AM
Yea, MVP has been about being the best player on one of the best teams. Will be hard to not give it to curry if the dubs just run away with the best record in the NBA. Especially considering they're always missing someone as well.

Matter.
01-14-2015, 12:27 AM
Hassan wiltside

Hardaway Here
01-14-2015, 12:28 AM
Whiteside just throws the hook up there and it keeps dropping. It doesn't even look like he looks at the basket some times

FlashBolt
01-14-2015, 12:30 AM
Hassan Whiteside. Never heard of this dude before but boy, Miami could have used him last season instead of Greg Oden.

mightybosstone
01-14-2015, 12:30 AM
I'm just messing around, long season yada yada. And in reality, the lack of minutes is going to hurt him. I don't know if you can win MVP only playing 32 a night, the box-score #'s won't be high enough for a lot of old school voters.

Fair enough. Honestly, if I was looking at it objectively (which is damn hard to do as you can probably imagine), I'd probably give Curry the slightest of edges right now. But I do think Harden has played better basketball over the last month or month and a half, and if he continues on this torrid pace, there's a chance he could surpass Curry as long as the Rockets stay in the top half of the West.

Davis and James are the wild cards. If those guys have a hot second half and their teams surpass expectations, I could feasibly see either of them squeaking out with the award. It definitely won't be an easy pick this year, though. Not unless the Warriors end up coming close to Jordan's Bulls win-loss record. If that happens and Curry is at this level, he'll pretty much have to get the award.

Hardaway Here
01-14-2015, 12:32 AM
Damnit Wade and that hammy. Time for Whiteside to take over. Oh and Bosh to i guess.

goingfor28
01-14-2015, 12:32 AM
And Cavs fall to under .500 lol

tredigs
01-14-2015, 12:33 AM
Lebron's back... JR Smith made 8 threes... and the Cavs are now sub .500.

Makes 3 East playoff teams under .500. Awesome.

Hardaway Here
01-14-2015, 12:34 AM
1/12 Kobe might as well ride the pine

FlashBolt
01-14-2015, 12:35 AM
Cavailers suck once again. James/Smith played good, though. Why didn't Blatt play Mosgov? Who knows..

Lakers + Giants
01-14-2015, 12:43 AM
Lebron's back... JR Smith made 8 threes... and the Cavs are now sub .500.

Makes 3 East playoff teams under .500. Awesome.

But...but..... the East is better than past years.

Hardaway Here
01-14-2015, 12:53 AM
No one is out there to facilitate smh

bucketss
01-14-2015, 12:56 AM
Cavailers suck once again. James/Smith played good, though. Why didn't Blatt play Mosgov? Who knows..

to match better with the small lineup of the suns,

Deception
01-14-2015, 12:58 AM
to match better with the small lineup of the suns,

I also believe the Cavs went on a 19-3 run in the 4th with Mozgov on the bench

SF8
01-14-2015, 01:01 AM
Lets go Lakers!!!!

Hardaway Here
01-14-2015, 01:03 AM
Spo needs to put in Whiteside already

SF8
01-14-2015, 01:04 AM
LOL half the Lakers lineup that's on the floor is wearing masks.

I know Lakers are bad but come on you don't have to hide your face...:laugh:

Hardaway Here
01-14-2015, 01:09 AM
This is such a bad game by both teams. Only brightside is Whiteside no pun intended

FlashBolt
01-14-2015, 01:16 AM
to match better with the small lineup of the suns,

No one on Cleveland could stop M. Morris. Mosgov would be better and would have gotten those rebounds that Tucker got. Just a bad coaching job by Blatt.

Hardaway Here
01-14-2015, 01:23 AM
17 TOs just giving the game away

True Sports Fan
01-14-2015, 01:26 AM
Refs cost us the ****ing game. Tyson with the flop of the year

TS8821
01-14-2015, 01:28 AM
Lol, flop of the year..

Hardaway Here
01-14-2015, 01:30 AM
this game is just pathetic

Hardaway Here
01-14-2015, 01:34 AM
Just feed Whiteside Bosh isn't doing ****

tredigs
01-14-2015, 01:45 AM
The Lakers are 3 for 20 from three. That's 15%.

...They were the better shooting team from distance tonight...

Lakers + Giants
01-14-2015, 01:46 AM
Kobe 2/17. These games are just too common now, retire...

Hardaway Here
01-14-2015, 01:49 AM
This was just one of the worst games I've seen all season smh

Chronz
01-14-2015, 01:59 AM
LOL the Lakers offense the last 2 minutes was basically nobody but Kobe dribbling+shooting.

LAKERS4LIFE!!
01-14-2015, 02:00 AM
This was just one of the worst games I've seen all season smh

lol it was hilarious and sad to watch

tredigs
01-14-2015, 02:02 AM
The Brick Mamba.

Saddletramp
01-14-2015, 03:02 AM
What the heck was Corbin doing at the end of overtime? Down by one with 16 seconds left and he didn't want his guys to foul until 8 seconds left? Wha? And Tyson Chandler with a MAN flop.

Also, every time I watch the Mavericks, I see Chandler Parsons basically just stand on the corners and...........well, that's all he does. So much more active in the Rockets offense. They basically use him as their Kyle Korver yet he's no Kyle Korver. One guy is $6.25 and .520% from 3 and the other is $14.7 and .365%. If you're going to overpay for a guy, shouldn't you use him how he was most effective? Maybe I just haven't seen enough and maybe I've seen his poorer games.

tredigs
01-14-2015, 03:57 AM
What the heck was Corbin doing at the end of overtime? Down by one with 16 seconds left and he didn't want his guys to foul until 8 seconds left? Wha? And Tyson Chandler with a MAN flop.

Also, every time I watch the Mavericks, I see Chandler Parsons basically just stand on the corners and...........well, that's all he does. So much more active in the Rockets offense. They basically use him as their Kyle Korver yet he's no Kyle Korver. One guy is $6.25 and .520% from 3 and the other is $14.7 and .365%. If you're going to overpay for a guy, shouldn't you use him how he was most effective? Maybe I just haven't seen enough and maybe I've seen his poorer games.

For sure, that was pretty inexcusable.


Wade's likely to sit @Golden State tomorrow. Smh, that's going to be another beatdown. I don't understand how this team is still a 7 seed.

Sneaky
01-14-2015, 04:03 AM
Wade's likely to sit @Golden State tomorrow. Smh, that's going to be another beatdown. I don't understand how this team is still a 7 seed.

I just hope we can score more than 80 tommorrow lol.

tredigs
01-14-2015, 04:14 AM
I just hope we can score more than 80 tommorrow lol.

You guys play suchhh a slow pace who knows : /

But remember earlier in the year when we played in Miami Bosh had a game and you guys put up close to 100, and there was no Wade. Curry went nova that night and put up 40 on like 18 shots though.

Ron Pearlman
01-14-2015, 08:42 AM
I would have thought it would depend on the health/level of Rose?

Right, their success without Rose is dependent on Butler and Gasol.

Edit : Miami shouldn't be the 7th seed for much longer.

Wade n Fade
01-14-2015, 03:02 PM
That Heat Lakers game is one of the ugliest games of the season. Kobe sucks, but that's nothing new. Bosh had one of his patented atrocious games that he puts up every so often.

Wade n Fade
01-14-2015, 03:06 PM
For sure, that was pretty inexcusable.


Wade's likely to sit @Golden State tomorrow. Smh, that's going to be another beatdown. I don't understand how this team is still a 7 seed.

The team is a 7th seed since most of East is weak. Most of the Atlantic is tanking. Orlando, Charlotte, etc aren't powerhouses, so it comes down to Chicago, Atlanta, and Toronto for the East. Brooklyn is close to tanking if they can offload D-Will, Brook Lopez, and/or Joe Johnson. KG is interesting since a contender can pick him up for the bench, but they need to eat more money. Personally, KG and a 2nd rounder for an expiring contract or trade exception is what should happen.

L8kers4life
01-14-2015, 03:34 PM
LOL the Lakers offense the last 2 minutes was basically nobody but Kobe dribbling+shooting.

The funny thing is, Kobe shooting now days is the only way the lakers lose. If Kobe decides to pass the lakers win that game. I dont think he realizes it but Kobe is saving this season for the lakers. His atrocious play will be the primary reason the lakers get to keep their top 5 pick.

I must admit it has become impossible to watch Kobe, @ what point does he just stop shooting already!

As a Laker fan, I'm praying kobe doesn't sit out the Second half of the season to rest, if he does sit, there is no way the lakers will lose enough to keep their pick.

dalton749
01-14-2015, 08:21 PM
Demars back. No more ugly ball

Htownballa1622
01-14-2015, 08:58 PM
I have loved watching Corey Brewer play for the Rockets.

DillyDill
01-14-2015, 09:05 PM
Can't wait Bulls vs Wizz

Htownballa1622
01-14-2015, 09:45 PM
Josh Smith drive in. Jump hook. Good.
Next play Smith 3 pointer.Bad.
Following play Smith dive to bucket off pick and roll. Alleyoop to Dwight. Good.
Next play Smith left open for 3. Bad.

All in about 1 minute of on court play. lmao. smh

kdspurman
01-14-2015, 10:26 PM
Officiating has been terrible in the fourth. But vintage Manu games are fun. He's been great

tredigs
01-14-2015, 10:26 PM
Houston's D has been tough to watch tonight. And this against maybe the worst O in the game???

Lakers + Giants
01-14-2015, 10:26 PM
Orlando! :)

ChI_ShIzzLe
01-14-2015, 10:32 PM
Wtf has gotten into Orlando.

tredigs
01-14-2015, 10:37 PM
I swear every time I sit down to watch a Houston game this season I come away unimpressed. I can't stand their offense. Good D, but non existent tonight.

Impressive showing from Oladipo. Pretty sure that's back to back career highs for him.

dalton749
01-14-2015, 10:38 PM
Valanciunas gets the worst whistle in the league on both ends

Cal827
01-14-2015, 10:49 PM
Ugh This Philly team won't go away lol

Freaking Block Party :mad:

bucketss
01-14-2015, 10:49 PM
butler has been terrible lately.

tredigs
01-14-2015, 10:56 PM
I wonder if MCW knows he's a 25% 3pt shooter and has a broken shot? He's gotta get that out of his arsenal until he learns how to hit them.

Cal827
01-14-2015, 11:06 PM
Ugh, what a terrible game. But A win's a win.

Next up, Atlanta for the battle of two of the current East titans.

DillyDill
01-14-2015, 11:31 PM
Dame vs CP and Blake vs LMA gonna be hell of funn

Htownballa1622
01-14-2015, 11:57 PM
I swear every time I sit down to watch a Houston game this season I come away unimpressed. I can't stand their offense. Good D, but non existent tonight.

Impressive showing from Oladipo. Pretty sure that's back to back career highs for him.

Stop watching us!!!!

LOL jk.

Side Note to Magic fans….Oladipo is awesome. If he and Elfrid become good shooters that's a nice backcourt on both ends.

Vucevic is a stud too. (my go to fantasy player)

tredigs
01-15-2015, 12:17 AM
Stop watching us!!!!

LOL jk.

Side Note to Magic fans….Oladipo is awesome. If he and Elfrid become good shooters that's a nice backcourt on both ends.

Vucevic is a stud too. (my go to fantasy player)
lol seriously, I'm a jinx for HOU, I need to watch more often. Off the top of my head I watched both GSW games (0-2), both MEM games (1-1), their losses to Portland and SAS and their loss tonight. I did see their win over the Clippers. That's pretty impressive for a team that is 27-12 : /

Htownballa1622
01-15-2015, 12:31 AM
lol seriously, I'm a jinx for HOU, I need to watch more often. Off the top of my head I watched both GSW games (0-2), both MEM games (1-1), their losses to Portland and SAS and their loss tonight. I did see their win over the Clippers. That's pretty impressive for a team that is 27-12 : /

That is weird. STOP IT lol.

I don't think we've beaten Clips though . Not in like 2 years lol. Not a good matchup for us. We also beat Portland just once. No losses yet.

Our offense has not looked good but a few times this year. Difference is our defense is much better than last year.

Hopefully they'll be all clicking come playoff time because we keep having diff lineups with all new players.

Dallas losing and one of Clips/Blazers losing tonight sorta makes up for tonight though. :)

Htownballa1622
01-15-2015, 12:32 AM
Also how do you feel Tredigs if y'all are number one seed and your reward is Spurs or Thunder round one?

I'm strategically hoping for Dallas round one lol.

tredigs
01-15-2015, 12:40 AM
Also how do you feel Tredigs if y'all are number one seed and your reward is Spurs or Thunder round one?

I'm strategically hoping for Dallas round one lol.

Oh you guys didn't play the Clips that's weird, I wonder why I thought so. And I know, I'm happy to see one of Blazers/Clips lose tonight haha.

And I'm not sure. I really warmed up to the idea of playing OKC because even last year we were a good matchup for them h2h, and we're a lot better right now as a team. Spurs are the Spurs and in the post-season (especially with Kawhi who they have been soreeeely missing), they are scary as ****. Either way the playoff matchups are going to be brutal for everyone ugh. Going to be so fun to watch.

Htownballa1622
01-15-2015, 12:47 AM
Oh you guys didn't play the Clips that's weird, I wonder why I thought so. And I know, I'm happy to see one of Blazers/Clips lose tonight haha.

And I'm not sure. I really warmed up to the idea of playing OKC because even last year we were a good matchup for them h2h, and we're a lot better right now as a team. Spurs are the Spurs and in the post-season (especially with Kawhi who they have been soreeeely missing), they are scary as ****. Either way the playoff matchups are going to be brutal for everyone ugh. Going to be so fun to watch.

Yeah I agree with everything you just said. I'd rather y'all take out Thunder and somehow we meet up with y'all.

I know y'all aren't the same team as in the past(emergence of Draymond, Curry/Klay getting even better) but I just would rather a matchup with y'all than OKC.

Also, Dubs are better suited to take out okc than we are. Spurs is a different one though. I don't mind seeing them in playoffs.

I pretty much just don't want Clips round 1.

Matchups are crazy out west. I wouldn't mind seeing Portland again this year because I don't see LMA going nuts on every fade away 20 footer like he did last year but my squad needs an upgrade(i wish dragic) at the one.
Plus Harden has to not suck in the playoffs sooner than later lol.

goingfor28
01-15-2015, 12:49 AM
Farmar and Bullock got to be on the move. Neither has played even a second tonight

tredigs
01-15-2015, 12:53 AM
Yeah I agree with everything you just said. I'd rather y'all take out Thunder and somehow we meet up with y'all.

I know y'all aren't the same team as in the past(emergence of Draymond, Curry/Klay getting even better) but I just would rather a matchup with y'all than OKC.

Also, Dubs are better suited to take out okc than we are. Spurs is a different one though. I don't mind seeing them in playoffs.

I pretty much just don't want Clips round 1.

Matchups are crazy out west. I wouldn't mind seeing Portland again this year because I don't see LMA going nuts on every fade away 20 footer like he did last year but my squad needs an upgrade(i wish dragic) at the one.
Plus Harden has to not suck in the playoffs sooner than later lol.

Yeah, if I'm you guys I'd want Dallas RD. 1 and then just take your chances from there.

The team with Rondo/Monta/Parsons/Dirk/Chandler is who West fans want their team to target hahah... the hell is going on??

Wow. All 10 Warriors had an assist in the 1st half.

Htownballa1622
01-15-2015, 12:58 AM
Yeah, if I'm you guys I'd want Dallas RD. 1 and then just take your chances from there.

The team with Rondo/Monta/Parsons/Dirk/Chandler is who West fans want their team to target hahah... the hell is going on??

Wow. All 10 Warriors had an assist in the 1st half.

lol. Don't tell Dallas fans.

And yeah. Dubs playing beautiful basketball. (I'm a closet Curry fan-shh don't tell anyone)

I just want everyone healthy come playoff time. Bogut, Jones, Kawhi, Robin Lopez. etc...

DillyDill
01-15-2015, 01:03 AM
Portland missing Big Rob, DJ killin em

tredigs
01-15-2015, 01:41 AM
Wow Curry just missed both free throws and an open 3. Won't see that again for a few months.

This POR/LAC finish should be good. Lillard starting to wake up a little.

FlashBolt
01-15-2015, 01:53 AM
Wow Curry just missed both free throws and an open 3. Won't see that again for a few months.

This POR/LAC finish should be good. Lillard starting to wake up a little.

Haha. Don't think we'll ever see Curry miss two freebies like that.. well, three freebies :eyebrow:

BKdoubleStacker
01-15-2015, 01:54 AM
Curry wit da stat pad

tredigs
01-15-2015, 01:54 AM
7/10 on the night by him from three point land though :drool:

Htownballa1622
01-15-2015, 01:56 AM
Paul runs into matthews. Gets bs call.

Paul is an irritant.

FlashBolt
01-15-2015, 01:58 AM
Curry with another amazing game playing under 32 minutes.. This guy does his thing and kills you when he's out there. Watching this LAC vs POR game got me thinking how great West is. We have potentially 5 All Star caliber players on that team. That's how it is EVERY West vs West game. Many players are going to get snubbed.. it's going to be difficult to watch.

tredigs
01-15-2015, 02:00 AM
lol Matthews looks like he's been in battle. Nice win for the Clips in POR tonight. That isn't easy.

FlashBolt
01-15-2015, 02:07 AM
8/8 17pts 18reb for DJ. Dude's fg% is probably the highest I've seen for someone attempting six shots.

tredigs
01-15-2015, 02:28 AM
8/8 17pts 18reb for DJ. Dude's fg% is probably the highest I've seen for someone attempting six shots.

"shots" is one way to put them lol. I'm not sure I've seen him actually shoot the ball once this season. At least he knows his limits.


Curry with another amazing game playing under 32 minutes.. This guy does his thing and kills you when he's out there. Watching this LAC vs POR game got me thinking how great West is. We have potentially 5 All Star caliber players on that team. That's how it is EVERY West vs West game. Many players are going to get snubbed.. it's going to be difficult to watch.

I was just happy he got to play a couple minutes in the 4th tonight. I think he's up to 50/40/90 now too.

Saddletramp
01-15-2015, 04:44 AM
Wtf has gotten into Orlando.

They apparently had a "closed door team meeting". They'll be good for a few weeks then suck hard again. Worst timing for the Bulls and Rockets (although the Rockets were on the road and looking ahead to the second game of their back-to-back). Whatever the excuse, Orlando looked pretty good.

goingfor28
01-15-2015, 09:55 AM
8/8 17pts 18reb for DJ. Dude's fg% is probably the highest I've seen for someone attempting six shots.
His season FG% is 71.5% and I read somehwere that 75% of his shot attempts are dunks so it makes sense haha. I'd be willing to bet of the other 25%, probably 20% are at the rim and the other 5% certainly within 10ft of the hoop.
His rebounding numbers are pretty damn impressive.

Giannis94
01-15-2015, 04:18 PM
Appears the Bucks are putting on a clinic. Nice exhibition test here.

zn23
01-15-2015, 05:28 PM
Knicks are 1-23 since Thanksgiving.

DillyDill
01-15-2015, 09:46 PM
Exciting gm!!! Cavs gonna destroy my lakes Tanknation baaabbbyyy

BKdoubleStacker
01-15-2015, 10:01 PM
Are the thunder going to hold on to Jackson? They basically picked waiters over him

tredigs
01-15-2015, 10:03 PM
Are the thunder going to hold on to Jackson? They basically picked waiters over him
No. Super cancerous situation with him/them. He'll be gone soon.

Htownballa1622
01-15-2015, 10:49 PM
Literally can not touch okc without hearing whistle.

BKdoubleStacker
01-15-2015, 10:49 PM
Lol Westbrook took like 5 steps

Htownballa1622
01-15-2015, 11:20 PM
i'm happy to have Smoove.

Dude really just shouldn't be a first or second option. Coming off our bench, he brings a unique big man that can create and finish.

If he never shot another 3 and just attacked,(play downhill) I would LOVE to keep him for now and the future.

Some guys just shouldn't shoot 3s. EVER.

Bruno
01-15-2015, 11:21 PM
I don't know if they're still pacing Durant, but the offense isn't revolving him as much as it needs to. brooks is in his final season, imo.

Bruno
01-15-2015, 11:26 PM
jackson and waiters have just as many shots as Durant and Westbrook. OKC down twenty, Durant with only ten FGAs. when are these idiots going to figure this out? when is the coach going to force their hands? how many more times am I going to have to watch Durant with his hand up, smack his hands in frustration, or yell at his wings to get him the ball? get the best offensive players in the league the ball, simple as that man.

OKC isn't constructed properly and Brooks isn't the guy to take them there. they are wasting Durants ability. if this team breaks up without a ring, it's going to go down as the basketball tragedy of the decade.

tredigs
01-15-2015, 11:39 PM
This one has to be especially painful for OKC fans. This is a Harden clinic.

Htownballa1622
01-15-2015, 11:42 PM
THAT. FELT. GOOD. :win:

DillyDill
01-15-2015, 11:57 PM
THAT. FELT. GOOD. :win:

MVB was something special 2night

DillyDill
01-15-2015, 11:59 PM
I love facilitator Mamba

Htownballa1622
01-16-2015, 12:03 AM
MVB was something special 2night
Very. Sucks to lose last night to Magic but i'll take this win over a loss today and win vs Magic.


I love facilitator Mamba

Same here. Lakers are much more dangerous when he gets teammates involved. IDK if Laker fans want that though lol. Y'all need y'all's pick instead of phoenix.

tredigs
01-16-2015, 12:15 AM
Lakers shot 65% with just 3 turnovers and don't have the lead.

Not a good sign.

DillyDill
01-16-2015, 12:18 AM
Very. Sucks to lose last night to Magic but i'll take this win over a loss today and win vs Magic.

Same here. Lakers are much more dangerous when he gets teammates involved. IDK if Laker fans want that though lol. Y'all need y'all's pick instead of phoenix.

I'm shocked yall won, I thought OKC would have it with 5 days rest.


Lol yea I'm hoping him and Swaggy get their stats but we lose, we need that sooooo badly

tredigs
01-16-2015, 12:23 AM
Lebron bricks three straight free throws. Rips of his arm band at the line and throws it out of bounds.

Badly bricks his 4th straight free throw.

Love it.

utl768
01-16-2015, 12:28 AM
lebron misses coach spo and pat riley more then anything

tredigs
01-16-2015, 12:43 AM
Loving how seriously Lebron is taking this game! Can you feel the fight boys??? The raw passion to win?!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8yOG3qYk08

Lmfao.


I'm sorry. Truly used to like the guy and spent way too much time defending him. He's just become a ****ing parody of himself at this point. It's truly a joke.

tredigs
01-16-2015, 12:52 AM
19th year Kobe the best player on the court tonight. Touche'

Tony_Starks
01-16-2015, 12:54 AM
Kobe dropping 10 dimes by halftime. Evidently Lebron is not on PSD because it appears he really respects Kobe....

FlashBolt
01-16-2015, 01:19 AM
My belief is that LeBron just cares about making money. It doesn't seem like he gives a crap.

SF8
01-16-2015, 01:26 AM
Why are the Cavs double teaming Kobe when he posts up on LeBron? That's causing open looks for other guys on LAL.

Does Blatt think that LeBron can't guard Kobe?

FlashBolt
01-16-2015, 01:36 AM
I hope Shumpert's return for Cleveland sparks some sort of defense. They couldn't defend a team of 60 year old's. Cleveland made some good moves during the mid-season but there is absolutely zero reason to have 5 bench points when you have a more than solid bench.

Jeffy25
01-16-2015, 01:49 AM
LeBron haters are getting a front row seat to what he can still do

FlashBolt
01-16-2015, 01:53 AM
LeBron haters are getting a front row seat to what he can still do

Meh, I know he can still do it. It's just whether or not his team can win games. 26/5/8 is nothing to scoff at, but when you're losing? Of course they're going to ask questions. LeBron has never been below .500 this late into the season since his ROOKIE season. That's unbelievable. Ofc, that also doesn't say much considering Cavs would be well above .500 if James hadn't missed those games.

Jeffy25
01-16-2015, 01:53 AM
19th year Kobe the best player on the court tonight. Touche'

Where did you go over the last hour?

Jeffy25
01-16-2015, 01:56 AM
I love seeing Kobe facilitate. This is how he should be playing, being the point like this.

bucketss
01-16-2015, 01:58 AM
Meh, I know he can still do it. It's just whether or not his team can win games. 26/5/8 is nothing to scoff at, but when you're losing? Of course they're going to ask questions. LeBron has never been below .500 this late into the season since his ROOKIE season. That's unbelievable. Ofc, that also doesn't say much considering Cavs would be well above .500 if James hadn't missed those games.

not brons fault team fell apart when he was out with an injury.

Jeffy25
01-16-2015, 02:01 AM
Up 9 with 3:30 to go, and the Lakers starting to get momentum....and Kyrie runs down and just chucks a quick three


Why is this guy running the team?

Jeffy25
01-16-2015, 02:02 AM
Meh, I know he can still do it. It's just whether or not his team can win games. 26/5/8 is nothing to scoff at, but when you're losing? Of course they're going to ask questions. LeBron has never been below .500 this late into the season since his ROOKIE season. That's unbelievable. Ofc, that also doesn't say much considering Cavs would be well above .500 if James hadn't missed those games.

They are 18-12 when he plays, 1-8 when he doesn't (about to probably be 19-12)

LAKERS4LIFE!!
01-16-2015, 02:06 AM
Nick Young is **** lol

Jeffy25
01-16-2015, 02:06 AM
Kobe good

Jeffy25
01-16-2015, 02:07 AM
Young not as good

Jeffy25
01-16-2015, 02:14 AM
Kobe with a career high in assists now?

DODGERS&LAKERS
01-16-2015, 02:14 AM
Perfect game to watch. Lebron was great, Kobe was great, and the Lakers lose. Good show.

tredigs
01-16-2015, 02:15 AM
Well, at least Bron and Kobe had fun. And in the end, that's all that matters.

The Cavs are horrible with or without Bron.

LAKERS4LIFE!!
01-16-2015, 02:15 AM
36 year old Kobe defends Lebron while on the other side of the court Lebron doesn't guard Kobe

cmon lebron give the fans what they want.

Jeffy25
01-16-2015, 02:15 AM
I feel like Nick Young could be a really good shooter.....if he learned shot IQ

FlashBolt
01-16-2015, 02:16 AM
Kobe was amazing tonight. 36, career high in assists, ran the game perfectly. Cleveland just made better plays. Fun game to watch

tredigs
01-16-2015, 02:16 AM
They are 18-12 when he plays, 1-8 when he doesn't (about to probably be 19-12)

Might wanna look a little more into context.

Jeffy25
01-16-2015, 02:17 AM
Well, at least Bron and Kobe had fun. And in the end, that's all that matters.

The Cavs are horrible with or without Bron.

Well, they are 19-12 with him, so ya know.....that would be a .620 winning percentage, a team that would win 51 games on a normal season....that isn't a horrible team.

Jeffy25
01-16-2015, 02:18 AM
Kobe was amazing tonight. 36, career high in assists, ran the game perfectly. Cleveland just made better plays. Fun game to watch

Kobe scored 19, with 17 assists

tredigs
01-16-2015, 02:18 AM
Well, they are 19-12 with him, so ya know.....that would be a .620 winning percentage, a team that would win 51 games on a normal season....that isn't a horrible team.

Like I said, learn context. I'd begin with opposition and work from there.

Jeffy25
01-16-2015, 02:18 AM
Might wanna look a little more into context.

What context am I missing?

Lakers + Giants
01-16-2015, 02:19 AM
As a tank supporter, that was a good game.

:)

LakersIn5
01-16-2015, 02:21 AM
Lakers almost won. Imagine kobe with a better supporting cast. Yeah kobe is a chucker this season and shoots 36% but thats what happens when your teamates suck and just show up 30% of the time.

DODGERS&LAKERS
01-16-2015, 02:21 AM
As a tank supporter, that was a good game.

:)

Agreed, change your sig now haha

Jeffy25
01-16-2015, 02:22 AM
Like I said, learn context. I'd begin with opposition and work from there.

Well, I'd be interested in hearing how they are horrible with him, and what that competition level is specifically?

Cavs are a +144 when Lebron has been on the court, and a -160 when he hasn't been on the court

Does anyone have that much of an impact differential this year?

DODGERS&LAKERS
01-16-2015, 02:23 AM
Lakers almost won. Imagine kobe with a better supporting cast. Yeah kobe is a chucker this season and shoots 36% but thats what happens when your teamates suck and just show up 30% of the time.

He would still shoot poorly. He has no lift and a lot of his shots fall flat and short. Age and injuries over rule better teammates

mngopher35
01-16-2015, 02:25 AM
Rockets looked great in that first game, harden especially. Okc doesn't need to panic quite yet but they gotta start winning soon.

Second game was fun as well. Lebron looks better after the break and cavs get a needed win. Kobe had a fantastic game all around, very impressive. I'm glad they are limiting his minutes more, hopefully it allows a few more of these performances.

tredigs
01-16-2015, 02:28 AM
Well, I'd be interested in hearing how they are horrible with him, and what that competition level is specifically?

Cavs are a +144 when Lebron has been on the court, and a -160 when he hasn't been on the court

Does anyone have that much of an impact differential this year?

He's one of the leagues best players and highest USG% players, clearly they are much better with him. But, look at their losses (Rox/Hawks/MIL/OKC/GSW off the top of my head). They're losing most of those games with him as well.

There are many players with a higher differential though, yes. They just scraped by one of the worst teams/D's in the NBA and Kobe posted career highs. Their D is just absolutely terrible, and Lebron does not help it. Offensively they're solid, not elite. In the East, they could be a 45 win team with Lebron playing every night (assuming rest and/or apathy due to the heavy minutes he's played and general lack of killer instinct he bestows from himself and in turn towards the team). I could go on with a lot of stats, but that's the jist.

LAKERS4LIFE!!
01-16-2015, 02:30 AM
Barkley said you have to be in a coma to lose to the knicks :laugh:

FlashBolt
01-16-2015, 02:30 AM
Man, I know a bunch of haters from respective parties would pretend they hate it but LeBron vs Kobe is going to be the most disappointing non-finals matchup to never happen. When Kobe retires/when LeBron gets older, this matchup ends. The end of a generation is coming very soon. Yes, I consider LeBron part of Kobe's generation. He's an OLD 30. The new guys (stephen, harden, westbrook, Davis, irving) are the next gen. Kobe vs Bron will always be the most talked about discussion.

Jeffy25
01-16-2015, 02:32 AM
He's one of the leagues best players and highest USG% players, clearly they are much better with him. But, look at their losses (Rox/Hawks/MIL/OKC/GSW off the top of my head). They're losing most of those games with him as well.

There are many players with a higher differential though, yes. They just scraped by one of the worst teams/D's in the NBA and Kobe posted career highs. Their D is just absolutely terrible, and Lebron does not help it. Offensively they're solid, not elite. In the East, they could be a 45 win team with Lebron playing every night (assuming rest and/or apathy due to the heavy minutes he's played and general lack of killer instinct he bestows from himself and in turn towards the team). I could go on with a lot of stats, but that's the jist.

You said they were terrible with him

He didn't play the Rox game
They also destroyed the Hawks earlier in the year with him
They beat the Bucks when LeBron played, and lost to them when he didn't
Didn't play the OKC game
Didn't play the GSW game

I don't see how any of this supports what you said, you said level of competition, and then named the games his team lost that he didn't play. Only one of those loses was he even on the court for, which was one of the Hawks games, and LeBron and company destroyed them earlier in the year.


I fail to see how you have said they are terrible with him

FlashBolt
01-16-2015, 02:33 AM
Kobe scored 19, with 17 assists

Yeah, I was pointing out his age.

FlashBolt
01-16-2015, 02:37 AM
He's one of the leagues best players and highest USG% players, clearly they are much better with him. But, look at their losses (Rox/Hawks/MIL/OKC/GSW off the top of my head). They're losing most of those games with him as well.

There are many players with a higher differential though, yes. They just scraped by one of the worst teams/D's in the NBA and Kobe posted career highs. Their D is just absolutely terrible, and Lebron does not help it. Offensively they're solid, not elite. In the East, they could be a 45 win team with Lebron playing every night (assuming rest and/or apathy due to the heavy minutes he's played and general lack of killer instinct he bestows from himself and in turn towards the team). I could go on with a lot of stats, but that's the jist.

You kinda contradicted yourself over there. You're saying Cavs are much better with James but then downplay Cavs because they're losing to teams without their best player and clearly, someone who has a reputation for making a huge impact in games? The Cavs aren't very good without Cavs and are above average with him. James doesn't play as great of defense as he used to but it's more-so his teammates than him. Without James this season, Cavs have averaged 90 points per game. That is the WORST in the league.

mngopher35
01-16-2015, 02:38 AM
Man, I know a bunch of haters from respective parties would pretend they hate it but LeBron vs Kobe is going to be the most disappointing non-finals matchup to never happen. When Kobe retires/when LeBron gets older, this matchup ends. The end of a generation is coming very soon. Yes, I consider LeBron part of Kobe's generation. He's an OLD 30. The new guys (stephen, harden, westbrook, Davis, irving) are the next gen. Kobe vs Bron will always be the most talked about discussion.

Which is kinda crazy since every finals since 2007 (8 straight) has had one of them in it, just never at the same time...

tredigs
01-16-2015, 02:43 AM
You said they were terrible with him

He didn't play the Rox game
They also destroyed the Hawks earlier in the year with him
They beat the Bucks when LeBron played, and lost to them when he didn't
Didn't play the OKC game
Didn't play the GSW game

I don't see how any of this supports what you said, you said level of competition, and then named the games his team lost that he didn't play. Only one of those loses was he even on the court for, which was one of the Hawks games, and LeBron and company destroyed them earlier in the year.


I fail to see how you have said they are terrible with him

Stick with me, I'm naming games they lost without him that they would have had a good chance of losing regardless.

"Horrible" is hyperbole if you're looking at them as a standard team, but given the context that we're talking about the team that opened the season as favorites to win the NBA title, yes they are horrible. They are maybe the 12th best team in the NBA with Lebron, and 12th worst without him. You have to understand that when a team with little to no past player synergy and a rookie head coach lose their top Usage player, it crushes what little they know about how to run their offense. Had he not played in the preseason and they grew organically without him, it's a different discussion and they fair much better than they have without him.

There's no discounting the fact that I absolutely despise the effort/attitude that I've seen from Lebron lately, but regardless, even with him at his best and firing on all cylinders, this is not a top 10 team in the NBA.

tredigs
01-16-2015, 02:47 AM
You kinda contradicted yourself over there. You're saying Cavs are much better with James but then downplay Cavs because they're losing to teams without their best player and clearly, someone who has a reputation for making a huge impact in games? The Cavs aren't very good without Cavs and are above average with him. James doesn't play as great of defense as he used to but it's more-so his teammates than him. Without James this season, Cavs have averaged 90 points per game. That is the WORST in the league.

Lebron ranks 18th in the league in RPM, and just above average defensively in DRPM (slightly negative in Box DRPM). In raw +/-, he ranks 46th.

He does not make them an upper echelon team by any measure, and that is what the projections were.

FlashBolt
01-16-2015, 02:47 AM
Stick with me, I'm naming games they lost without him that they would have had a good chance of losing regardless.

"Horrible" is hyperbole if you're looking at them as a standard team, but given the context that we're talking about the team that opened the season as favorites to win the NBA title, yes they are horrible. They are maybe the 12th best team in the NBA with Lebron, and 12th worst without him. You have to understand that when a team with little to no past player synergy and a rookie head coach lose their top Usage player, it crushes what little they know about how to run their offense. Had he not played in the preseason and they grew organically without him, it's a different discussion and they fair much better than they have without him.

There's no discounting the fact that I absolutely despise the effort/attitude that I've seen from Lebron lately, but regardless, even with him at his best and firing on all cylinders, this is not a top 10 team in the NBA.

Just to clarify, who are we calling out here? LeBron as the player or Cavs as a team? LeBron isn't the reason they're not a top 10 team. This LeBron on Miami would be leading the ECF with the best record. I get that LeBron's numbers are down across the board but there's certainly many explanations as to why. For one, Kyrie/Love haven't been stellar and players were in-and-out with injuries. They had Waiters to deal with who many felt was a hassle to work with. Boom, traded. New coaching/new system/new GM. Just a lot of variables to work with. These aren't excuses and certainly, an argument can be made that LeBron has deteriorated, but I find it negative that it's him who is causing the Cavs to not dominate. There really isn't anything he can do. Many expected Love to be a 20/15/3 player with a higher offensive efficiency. Many expected Kyrie to be a more impactful player. This guy doesn't even crack top 10 PG's. Love has been bumped out of the PF conversation. It's not HIS fault they aren't winning.

LakersIn5
01-16-2015, 02:51 AM
He would still shoot poorly. He has no lift and a lot of his shots fall flat and short. Age and injuries over rule better teammates

But with better teamates he would not shoot alot of forced and uncontested shots. I think with a better cast he would shoot close to his career average of 45%. He forces shots because he doesnt want to pass to his weak *** teamates. Imagine if he has irving and love in his team then he wont feel the need to shoot alot of contested shots

tredigs
01-16-2015, 02:51 AM
Just to clarify, who are we calling out here? LeBron as the player or Cavs as a team? LeBron isn't the reason they're not a top 10 team.

To clarify once again, I am saying that with or without Lebron they are not a top ten team. That the major reason for that is their apathetic defense, and that Lebron does nothing to help their defense.

Jeffy25
01-16-2015, 02:55 AM
Stick with me, I'm naming games they lost without him that they would have had a good chance of losing regardless.
Then what did you mean when you said they are horrible with him? You haven't shown how they are horrible with him. You just mentioned games they lost without him, you haven't proven they are horrible with him.

I am sticking with you, you said they are horrible with him or without him. Then I asked how, and you said look at the competition.....and haven't proven your point.




I understand the rest of your post, but they have played 31 games with him, and have won 62% of those games, and it's a new team and set and LeBron is probably coasting a bit. We don't know their title chances until they actually have to win games.

Bruno
01-16-2015, 03:02 AM
Perfect game to watch. Lebron was great, Kobe was great, and the Lakers lose. Good show.

thats what i was thinking.

tredigs
01-16-2015, 03:10 AM
The Cavs have beat exactly 1 Western Conference Playoff team with Lebron (@home against Memphis... who were coming off games against the Warriors/Spurs/Bulls before meeting them). Ispo facto, by and large he has not played or not won in games against the toughest opponents, and when he does (if he doesn't choose that portion of the schedule to take a week or two off again), they're going to lose the majority of them. I promise you this. That D is a joke, and as the teams leader, why would we not blame Lebron's lackadaisical leadership and effort on that end as one of the main factors of that? If he was playing elite D and pushing them while he was on the court? OK, then we'd have a discussion and I wouldn't be saying a word here.

But, we just spent an entire game watching him legitimately laugh and goof around with Kobe while the 19 year vet set a career high on them and take them to the wire. That's the leader who said he was going to "take no plays off" this off-season, that they're "doing this for Cleveland". I mean, ****. I just have to laugh at the guy at this point. Like I said earlier, he's become a parody of his worst attributes at this point. It's sad to see such a gifted player have such a weak mentality.

And had he actually played those games that they lost without him Jeffy, your record claim would hold no weight. As it is, you're essentially gifting the guy wins for games he sat out (most of the toughest games of their season). How can you be any less valuable than if you don't play?

tredigs
01-16-2015, 04:06 AM
I'll just leave this here: https://gfycat.com/DisastrousFrigidGazelle

goingfor28
01-16-2015, 04:06 AM
Lebron said tomorrow nights game is against the "unbelievable Clippers" ha
Maybe he means unbelievable by the stupid GM moves Doc seems to make :shrug:

Saddletramp
01-16-2015, 05:05 AM
I'm sorry. Truly used to like the guy and spent way too much time defending him. He's just become a ****ing parody of himself at this point. It's truly a joke.


Yeah. I defended him for the longest time. But it seems like since he went back to Cleveland, he's just turned the corner as far as being indefensible. Also helps that I truly dislike Dan Gilbert, so going back to him was the start of his twat-fall.

Jeffy25
01-16-2015, 06:00 AM
The Cavs have beat exactly 1 Western Conference Playoff team with Lebron (@home against Memphis... who were coming off games against the Warriors/Spurs/Bulls before meeting them). Ispo facto, by and large he has not played or not won in games against the toughest opponents, and when he does (if he doesn't choose that portion of the schedule to take a week or two off again), they're going to lose the majority of them. I promise you this. That D is a joke, and as the teams leader, why would we not blame Lebron's lackadaisical leadership and effort on that end as one of the main factors of that? If he was playing elite D and pushing them while he was on the court? OK, then we'd have a discussion and I wouldn't be saying a word here.

But, we just spent an entire game watching him legitimately laugh and goof around with Kobe while the 19 year vet set a career high on them and take them to the wire. That's the leader who said he was going to "take no plays off" this off-season, that they're "doing this for Cleveland". I mean, ****. I just have to laugh at the guy at this point. Like I said earlier, he's become a parody of his worst attributes at this point. It's sad to see such a gifted player have such a weak mentality.

And had he actually played those games that they lost without him Jeffy, your record claim would hold no weight. As it is, you're essentially gifting the guy wins for games he sat out (most of the toughest games of their season). How can you be any less valuable than if you don't play?

You keep changing what you said and what you have argued.

You said 'that Cavs team is horrible with him'

They have not shown they are horrible with him.

That's the only thing I commented on or have argued.

I want to know how they are horrible with him. As you pointed out, he hasn't played the toughest competition yet. It is also worth noting that this is a new team, and LeBron is still working in a new scheme, and he very well could be coasting right now. We probably won't see how this team is with him honestly until the playoffs.

FlashBolt
01-16-2015, 08:53 AM
I'll just leave this here: https://gfycat.com/DisastrousFrigidGazelle

I saw that too but it's not as bad as it seems. LeBron coasting in East? I think we all know no one from the East will be topping out West in terms of best record. GSW seems to have that on lock this season. This just reassures that LeBron really is coasting. There's absolutely zero reason to believe he isn't when he's giving up plays like that. Should he coast? Probably not. But, do you really wanna bet against Cavs come playoff time? I still have them or Bulls coming out of the East.

Tony_Starks
01-16-2015, 12:06 PM
Barkley said you have to be in a coma to lose to the knicks :laugh:

Man I seriously laughed out loud when he said that!

FlashBolt
01-16-2015, 12:14 PM
As funny as it was yesterday, they are probably going to lose viewers. They spent more time laughing and correcting Kenny's "I doubt" dilemma, that they forgot about basketball. I get that they are paid to entertain more-so talk about basketball, but it would have been nice of them to talk more about the games.. you know.. that everyone was watching. (kobe vs LeBron)?

kdspurman
01-16-2015, 12:32 PM
As funny as it was yesterday, they are probably going to lose viewers. They spent more time laughing and correcting Kenny's "I doubt" dilemma, that they forgot about basketball. I get that they are paid to entertain more-so talk about basketball, but it would have been nice of them to talk more about the games.. you know.. that everyone was watching. (kobe vs LeBron)?

It's what they do man. I miss watching inside the NBA, cause they are funny sometimes. It's usually some basketball and a lot more randomness

kdspurman
01-16-2015, 12:33 PM
I'll just leave this here: https://gfycat.com/DisastrousFrigidGazelle

that's Hardenesque stuff there. (not saying it's Harden now folks, just what we've seen before)

tredigs
01-16-2015, 01:28 PM
You keep changing what you said and what you have argued.

You said 'that Cavs team is horrible with him'

They have not shown they are horrible with him.

That's the only thing I commented on or have argued.

I want to know how they are horrible with him. As you pointed out, he hasn't played the toughest competition yet. It is also worth noting that this is a new team, and LeBron is still working in a new scheme, and he very well could be coasting right now. We probably won't see how this team is with him honestly until the playoffs.

Yes, I have told you that they're horrible with him. I also said that it was hyperbole if you're considering that claim without the context that they came into the season as title favorites. You brought up their raw record with him. I illustrated why that was short-sited and out of context. I'm not running through this again.

that's Hardenesque stuff there. (not saying it's Harden now folks, just what we've seen before)
Yeah, it's just really, really lame is all. That, combined with him spending the entire game openly giggling with Kobe (whether Kobe was in the game or on the Lakers bench). I don't know... at least the kid's having fun...? -shrug

Verbal Christ
01-16-2015, 01:43 PM
that's Hardenesque stuff there. (not saying it's Harden now folks, just what we've seen before)

Couldnt you drop a snippet of any star having a defensive lapse? Is a guy really supposed to hold it down ALL NBA effort every single play? Those dudes usually end up in Springfield.

kdspurman
01-16-2015, 01:58 PM
Couldnt you drop a snippet of any star having a defensive lapse? Is a guy really supposed to hold it down ALL NBA effort every single play? Those dudes usually end up in Springfield.

you probably could, but let's face it; Like it or not, in this day an age, especially when it comes to the stars of the league, it's magnified. If it's rare, it maybe gets slipped under the rug. But Lebron has been mediocre defensively, and this play happened on national television against the Lakers. You know the world is watching.

kdspurman
01-16-2015, 07:53 PM
the return .....

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7bXk7wCUAANsYp.jpg

BKdoubleStacker
01-16-2015, 09:01 PM
gasol with the bulls is overrated. hes having a good year, but i think noah is far more important

DillyDill
01-16-2015, 09:10 PM
Can't wait Warr vs Okc gr8 bball

BKdoubleStacker
01-16-2015, 09:54 PM
Jeff green has the Josh Smith syndrome he thinks he can shoot 3a

*Silver&Black*
01-16-2015, 09:58 PM
Hawks are destroying. :clap:

dalton749
01-16-2015, 10:09 PM
Hawks are destroying. :clap:

theyre for real
raps r going no where

i need to watch the next time atlanta plays the spurs