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Tony_Starks
12-30-2014, 06:17 PM
Since the word "hater" is tossed around so loosely and many seem to be conflicted as if they are actually a hater or not, in the spirit of goodwill I thought it'd be helpful provide a few red flags to let you know if you have a Kobe Hater problem. If you see one or more of the following signs this may pertain to you....


- Have you ever started a sentence "I hate Kobe BUT.........


- Have you ever used the lame excuse of "I don't really hate Kobe, but his fans MAKE me hate him" ( by this logic then you must hate MJ and Lebron too right? )


- Do you find the need to rationalize or discredit any or every of the many great accomplishments he achieves?


- Have you ever said to yourself or to others "I can't wait until he retires!"


- Have you ever said to yourself or others "Kobe ruined the game!"


- If you are not a lawyer, Judge, alleged victim, or family/friend of alleged victim concerning a particular case which was ultimately settled out of court.....do you use this incident as further reason to dislike Kobe? If all other Kobe insults fail is this incident your "go to?"


- How many of his rings do you count as "legit?"


- Do you think he was ever the best player in the game and if so did you really have to take a while to ponder that?


These are just a few glaring signs and symptoms. If you find yourself meeting the criteria please do not be discouraged. He has at least a year left, there is time remaining to appreciate instead of hate.



You're Welcome

kingsdelez24
12-30-2014, 06:22 PM
"lololololol chucker rapist dickrider"

You forgot to add those two to the list of sayings

Honestly, I don't think I've ever heard a Kobe discussion without those being thrown around at least once

Tony_Starks
12-30-2014, 06:29 PM
"lololololol chucker rapist dickrider"

You forgot to add those two to the list of sayings

Honestly, I don't think I've ever heard a Kobe discussion without those being thrown around at least once

Damn I forgot selfish chucker and "anybody could score that much if you let them shoot enough!"
Lol

Hawkeye15
12-30-2014, 06:29 PM
I define hater (for sports purposes) as a person who lets their distaste for someone (or a team in general) cloud their ability to rationally evaluate or judge the player/team as an athlete.

There are plenty of people who don't like a specific athlete or team, and can still have a very rational, intelligent opinion regarding that player or team.

RLundi
12-30-2014, 06:32 PM
OP, why this thread? Seems totally unsolicited and unwarranted. It'll just draw more negative attention. Like what prompted you to create this? If you call people who chide Kobe for no apparent reason haters, isn't it only fair to assess yourself, one who is defending and bringing Kobe into a discussion for NO reason, as a dickrider? Not saying you are, but do you get why that perception would exist?

bucketss
12-30-2014, 06:37 PM
only symptom i face is "Do you think he was ever the best player in the game and if so did you really have to take a while to ponder that?" i don't think that makes me a hater because its a legit debate.

Wade n Fade
12-30-2014, 06:37 PM
And here I am expecting guidelines for a Japanese dish.

Tony_Starks
12-30-2014, 06:40 PM
OP, why this thread? Seems totally unsolicited and unwarranted. It'll just draw more negative attention. Like what prompted you to create this? If you call people who chide Kobe for no apparent reason haters, isn't it only fair to assess yourself, one who is defending and bringing Kobe into a discussion for NO reason, as a dickrider? Not saying you are, but do you get why that perception would exist?

It doesn't matter what people label me because honestly anyone who supports Kobe is pretty much labeled a dickrider kobephile or whatever corny name they come up with these days.

To me it is totally warranted because people go out of their way to take shots at a great player but at the same time pretend to be objective. For every one thread like this there are at least 3 taking jabs either subliminal or overt on a regular basis....

albertajaysfan
12-30-2014, 06:48 PM
only symptom i face is "Do you think he was ever the best player in the game and if so did you really have to take a while to ponder that?" i don't think that makes me a hater because its a legit debate.

Agreed. I think that is something that is debatable. It is a debate I stay away from here on PSD because it generally devolves rather quickly. I do however appreciate that Kobe was a great player in his time and his remarkable longevity elevates him amongst the greatest to play the game.

I also think he is a total douche for many reasons. But from what I have heard MJ is/was an arrogant prick. For both of them I think it helped them achieve what they have.

FraziersKnicks
12-30-2014, 06:49 PM
Yet the OP does every single one of these things about LeBron...

And you complain about objectivity :rolleyes:

Also Kobe has never been the best player in the league, saying that certainly doesn't make you a "hater"

jerellh528
12-30-2014, 07:06 PM
This will end well

Tony_Starks
12-30-2014, 07:21 PM
only symptom i face is "Do you think he was ever the best player in the game and if so did you really have to take a while to ponder that?" i don't think that makes me a hater because its a legit debate.

Agreed. I think that is something that is debatable. It is a debate I stay away from here on PSD because it generally devolves rather quickly. I do however appreciate that Kobe was a great player in his time and his remarkable longevity elevates him amongst the greatest to play the game.

I also think he is a total douche for many reasons. But from what I have heard MJ is/was an arrogant prick. For both of them I think it helped them achieve what they have.

I have him as the best player for at least one of Nash's MVPs, in particular the year he put up like 35 5 5 and dragged a horrid team to 7th place in the playoffs in the stacked West. I have him as best player the first year they faced the Celtics, and of course the year they finally gave him MVP. A legit argument can be made he was the best in the game the last year of the threepeat as well but playing with Shaq of course killed that even though I believe he got his fair share of votes that season if memory serves me.

That's 3 maybe 4 but its my personal opinion. To not even give him 1 single year is unreasonable to me....

FraziersKnicks
12-30-2014, 07:54 PM
Since Kobe entered the league:

1996-97: Michael Jordan
1997-98: Michael Jordan
1998-99: Shaquille O'Neal
1999-00: Shaquille O'Neal
2000-01: Shaquille O'Neal
2001-02: Tim Duncan
2002-03: Tim Duncan/Tracy McGrady
2003-04: Kevin Garnett
2004-05: Kevin Garnett
2005-06: Dirk Nowitzki
2006-07: Dirk Nowitzki
2007-08: LeBron James/Chris Paul
2008-09: LeBron James/Chris Paul
2009-10: LeBron James
2010-11: LeBron James
2011-12: LeBron James
2012-13: LeBron James
2013-14: LeBron James

The closest Kobe came to being the top player in the league was probably 2005-06, but Dirk beat him out for that year.

Kaner
12-30-2014, 08:22 PM
- Do you find the need to rationalize or discredit any or every of the many great accomplishments he achieves?

- Do you think he was ever the best player in the game and if so did you really have to take a while to ponder that?

These are the 2 that I think is more you suffering from Kobe hero worship then somebody being a kobe hater... We're on a sports forum to talk about sports, a part of that will be rationalizing and contextualizing major accomplishments and milestones that are passed.

The 2nd is a legitimate conversation, Playing through the primes of Duncan, Shaq, KG, Dirk, and Lebron there can be an argument that he was never better than all of them at the same time.

LAKERS4LIFE!!
12-30-2014, 09:06 PM
Since Kobe entered the league:

1996-97: Michael Jordan
1997-98: Michael Jordan
1998-99: Shaquille O'Neal
1999-00: Shaquille O'Neal
2000-01: Shaquille O'Neal
2001-02: Tim Duncan
2002-03: Tim Duncan/Tracy McGrady
2003-04: Kevin Garnett
2004-05: Kevin Garnett
2005-06: Dirk Nowitzki
2006-07: Dirk Nowitzki
2007-08: LeBron James/Chris Paul
2008-09: LeBron James/Chris Paul
2009-10: LeBron James
2010-11: LeBron James
2011-12: LeBron James
2012-13: LeBron James
2013-14: LeBron James

The closest Kobe came to being the top player in the league was probably 2005-06, but Dirk beat him out for that year.

Last year belongs to Durant

Chronz
12-30-2014, 09:08 PM
I think this thread would at least appear more objective if i wasn't forced into agreeing with the opinion of a Laker fan

<---cop
12-30-2014, 09:49 PM
Since Kobe entered the league:

1996-97: Michael Jordan
1997-98: Michael Jordan
1998-99: Shaquille O'Neal
1999-00: Shaquille O'Neal
2000-01: Shaquille O'Neal
2001-02: Tim Duncan
2002-03: Tim Duncan/Tracy McGrady
2003-04: Kevin Garnett
2004-05: Kevin Garnett
2005-06: Dirk Nowitzki
2006-07: Dirk Nowitzki
2007-08: LeBron James/Chris Paul
2008-09: LeBron James/Chris Paul
2009-10: LeBron James
2010-11: LeBron James
2011-12: LeBron James
2012-13: LeBron James
2013-14: LeBron James

The closest Kobe came to being the top player in the league was probably 2005-06, but Dirk beat him out for that year.

Agreed, a few could go either way though.

I think if you look at who had the best "career" over a decade, it looks like this:

1960-1969
Bill Russell
9 Rings
4 MVPs

1970-1979
Kareem Abdul Jabbar
1 Ring
5 MVPs

1980-1989
Magic Johnson
5 Rings
2 MVPs

1990-1999
Michael Jordan
6 Rings
4 MVPs

2000-2009
Kobe Bryant
4 Rings
1 MVP

2010-Present
LeBron James
2 Rings
3 MVPs

Jamiecballer
12-30-2014, 10:19 PM
i don't know about everyone else but points 2, 3, and 4 seem totally reasonable

RLundi
12-30-2014, 10:56 PM
Since Kobe entered the league:

1996-97: Michael Jordan
1997-98: Michael Jordan
1998-99: Shaquille O'Neal
1999-00: Shaquille O'Neal
2000-01: Shaquille O'Neal
2001-02: Tim Duncan
2002-03: Tim Duncan/Tracy McGrady
2003-04: Kevin Garnett
2004-05: Kevin Garnett
2005-06: Dirk Nowitzki
2006-07: Dirk Nowitzki
2007-08: LeBron James/Chris Paul
2008-09: LeBron James/Chris Paul
2009-10: LeBron James
2010-11: LeBron James
2011-12: LeBron James
2012-13: LeBron James
2013-14: LeBron James

The closest Kobe came to being the top player in the league was probably 2005-06, but Dirk beat him out for that year.

Agree with every word 1000%, except I think LeBron was the clear-cut best player in 08-09.

EDIT: also Durant was the best player last year.

AIRMAR72
12-30-2014, 11:04 PM
Since the word "hater" is tossed around so loosely and many seem to be conflicted as if they are actually a hater or not, in the spirit of goodwill I thought it'd be helpful provide a few red flags to let you know if you have a Kobe Hater problem. If you see one or more of the following signs this may pertain to you....


- Have you ever started a sentence "I hate Kobe BUT.........


- Have you ever used the lame excuse of "I don't really hate Kobe, but his fans MAKE me hate him" ( by this logic then you must hate MJ and Lebron too right? )


- Do you find the need to rationalize or discredit any or every of the many great accomplishments he achieves?


- Have you ever said to yourself or to others "I can't wait until he retires!"


- Have you ever said to yourself or others "Kobe ruined the game!"


- If you are not a lawyer, Judge, alleged victim, or family/friend of alleged victim concerning a particular case which was ultimately settled out of court.....do you use this incident as further reason to dislike Kobe? If all other Kobe insults fail is this incident your "go to?"


- How many of his rings do you count as "legit?"


- Do you think he was ever the best player in the game and if so did you really have to take a while to ponder that?


These are just a few glaring signs and symptoms. If you find yourself meeting the criteria please do not be discouraged. He has at least a year left, there is time remaining to appreciate instead of hate.



You're Welcome Kobe Bryant stinks plus he's FINISH, fake leader FAKE will to win, WATERED down FAKE jordan game FAKE 2008 MVP

still1ballin
12-30-2014, 11:15 PM
I'm a kobe dick rider

Jamiecballer
12-30-2014, 11:16 PM
BTW as a Kobe fan you aren't in any position to judge people based on point number 2.

Andrew32
12-30-2014, 11:48 PM
I'll add one for Kobe aficionados.

-Says that Kobe was 1B during the 3peat or was semi-equal to Shaq in 02.

Kobe wasn't great in the 02 playoffs and Finals performances aside may have actually had a better playoff run in 00.

Kobe VS West 00 = 23 / 4 / 4.5apg on 55%TS (elite defense)
Kobe VS West 02 = 26.6 / 6 / 4.4apg on 49%TS (good defense)

He was really not close to Shaq that year just like he wasn't close in 00.

DemarDerozan
12-31-2014, 12:00 AM
fixed. Happy New Year.

DemarDerozan
12-31-2014, 12:02 AM
Agree with every word 1000%, except I think LeBron was the clear-cut best player in 08-09.

EDIT: also Durant was the best player last year.

Not even close. This is completely subjective. Any ******* can make a list. How about you provide some facts to support this ******** list,

Ariza's Better
12-31-2014, 12:06 AM
As someone who likes Kobe and thinks he gets too much hate, I have to say this is the most douchey thread ever.

bucketss
12-31-2014, 12:08 AM
btw i don't think kobe ruined the game, his idol jordan ruined it.

RLundi
12-31-2014, 12:14 AM
Not even close. This is completely subjective. Any ******* can make a list. How about you provide some facts to support this ******** list,

Whoa, why don't you calm down before you blow a blood vessel.

Go check bkref.com. If you use win shares per 48 minutes, PER, VORP and TS%, this list is extremely agreeable.

What specifically do you have a problem with?

B'sCeltsPatsSox
12-31-2014, 12:17 AM
OP, do you or do you not do the same thing with LeBron?

Teeboy1487
12-31-2014, 12:25 AM
I don't give damn who hates Kobe.

PowerHouse
12-31-2014, 12:34 AM
Kobe was beast today.

****ed around and dropped another triple double. 23/11/11 on efficient shooting in a Laker victory.

ghettosean
12-31-2014, 12:34 AM
In before the close and bans... lol

Raps18-19 Champ
12-31-2014, 12:43 AM
Agreed, a few could go either way though.

I think if you look at who had the best "career" over a decade, it looks like this:

1960-1969
Bill Russell
9 Rings
4 MVPs

1970-1979
Kareem Abdul Jabbar
1 Ring
5 MVPs

1980-1989
Magic Johnson
5 Rings
2 MVPs

1990-1999
Michael Jordan
6 Rings
4 MVPs

2000-2009
Kobe Bryant
4 Rings
1 MVP

2010-Present
LeBron James
2 Rings
3 MVPs

I'd easily give Duncan 2000-2009 over Kobe.

3 Rings, 2 MVP, 2 FMVP with more success.

L8kers4life
12-31-2014, 01:11 AM
I'd easily give Duncan 2000-2009 over Kobe.
3 Rings, 2 MVP, 2 FMVP with more success.

Kobe in the same time period had 5 rings, 1 mvp and 2 Finals MVP, while having, Phil, Hamblen, Tomjonovich as coaches and not as much stability with the roster as Duncan had. Not sure why you would say easily when those 5 championships came back to back and off a 3 peat.

really Kobe's total should be 5 rings not 4 like you guys are stating. because he won in 99-00 as well as 09_10, so during that time which is one decade, he has 5 rings.
That's a pretty dominate 10 year run

mngopher35
12-31-2014, 01:27 AM
Kobe in the same time period had 5 rings, 1 mvp and 2 Finals MVP, while having, Phil, Hamblen, Tomjonovich as coaches and not as much stability with the roster as Duncan had. Not sure why you would say easily when those 5 championships came back to back and off a 3 peat.

really Kobe's total should be 5 rings not 4 like you guys are stating. because he won in 99-00 as well as 09_10, so during that time which is one decade, he has 5 rings.
That's a pretty dominate 10 year run

I don't disagree with you that saying easily is a bit overboard as both were great and accomplished a lot. 1999-2000 to 2009-2010 season is an 11 year period and that guy was talking about decades, the way he listed it is right. I don't think decade talk is really that big though when you have players who may peak in the end of one decade and start of another (meaning a guy like Shaq who overlaps two "decades" gets hurt in this type of argument).

bucketss
12-31-2014, 02:03 AM
Kobe was beast today.

****ed around and dropped another triple double. 23/11/11 on efficient shooting in a Laker victory.

don't forget to mention the 9 turnovers.

PowerHouse
12-31-2014, 02:07 AM
^ Lmao. True man, I just thought I would leave that tid bit out considering Im super-stoked he shot over 50% for once.

JV35
12-31-2014, 02:15 AM
I don't disagree with you that saying easily is a bit overboard as both were great and accomplished a lot. 1999-2000 to 2009-2010 season is an 11 year period and that guy was talking about decades, the way he listed it is right. I don't think decade talk is really that big though when you have players who may peak in the end of one decade and start of another (meaning a guy like Shaq who overlaps two "decades" gets hurt in this type of argument).

Yup, it's an 0-9 "decade" (not a random "10-year period").

Apparently, that dude (you quoted) doesn't understand the definition of "decade". (It's 10 years not 11).

basketfan4life
12-31-2014, 03:57 AM
don't forget to mention the 9 turnovers.

May be we can add to the op that, not seeing a tripple double but just turnovers.

jaydubb
12-31-2014, 06:18 AM
I hate kobe

FraziersKnicks
12-31-2014, 07:14 AM
Agreed, a few could go either way though.

I think if you look at who had the best "career" over a decade, it looks like this:

1960-1969
Bill Russell
9 Rings
4 MVPs

1970-1979
Kareem Abdul Jabbar
1 Ring
5 MVPs

1980-1989
Magic Johnson
5 Rings
2 MVPs

1990-1999
Michael Jordan
6 Rings
4 MVPs

2000-2009
Kobe Bryant
4 Rings
1 MVP

2010-Present
LeBron James
2 Rings
3 MVPs

I would say Duncan for 2000-09.

3 rings
2 MVP's
All-Star every year
All-NBA every year
All-Defense every year
At least 50 wins every year for the whole decade

If TD played in LA and was a big personality there would be no question he had the best decade. No one comes close to his high level of play on both ends of the floor for the entire decade.

5ass
12-31-2014, 09:26 PM
The **** is this ****?

Tony_Starks
12-31-2014, 09:44 PM
I apologize?

It's a Sunny reference. Why does no one know about this show? It's ****ing hilarious.

http://youtu.be/7zY6A4xZJtg

My boy has been trying to put me on to the show for the longest. New years resolution dammit!

DemarDerozan
12-31-2014, 09:53 PM
My boy has been trying to put me on to the show for the longest. New years resolution dammit!

You can start with season one. But after the first couple episodes you can watch any of the episodes in no order. They aren't in any order. Essentially every show ends with "the gang" making terrible decisions that in reality should have life changing consequences; but every show starts off fresh.

I "Sweet Dee is Dating A ******** Person" is funny as hell. The DENNIS System, or any of the gun fever episodes are hilarious too. It's good ****.

Happy New Year.

Wade n Fade
12-31-2014, 10:04 PM
We built brick city, we built brick city on all of Kobe's shots.

Sactown
12-31-2014, 11:05 PM
Why the need to constantly label fans.. no two fans Have the exact same feelings

Wade n Fade
12-31-2014, 11:16 PM
"Pass the ball for what?" - Kobe Bryant

Lakers + Giants
12-31-2014, 11:34 PM
You can start with season one. But after the first couple episodes you can watch any of the episodes in no order. They aren't in any order. Essentially every show ends with "the gang" making terrible decisions that in reality should have life changing consequences; but every show starts off fresh.

I "Sweet Dee is Dating A ******** Person" is funny as hell. The DENNIS System, or any of the gun fever episodes are hilarious too. It's good ****.

Happy New Year.

Flowers for Charlie had me :laugh2: the whole ****in episode.

Sly Guy
01-01-2015, 05:59 PM
why is this thread even here? I seriously doubt it will lead to any objective discussion. I mean, all it does is give the people who don't like the Kobephiles more reason to hate the guy.

Tony_Starks
01-01-2015, 08:26 PM
why is this thread even here? I seriously doubt it will lead to any objective discussion. I mean, all it does is give the people who don't like the Kobephiles more reason to hate the guy.

There's no such thing as a kobephile. Only the Syth speaks in absolutes.....

quade36
01-01-2015, 08:56 PM
The only guidelines I know to call someone a hater.

1. Anything negative is said about him in any way.
2. When comparing him to Michael Jordan you quickly say Jordan is better.

Jeffy25
01-02-2015, 12:53 AM
I define hater (for sports purposes) as a person who lets their distaste for someone (or a team in general) cloud their ability to rationally evaluate or judge the player/team as an athlete.

There are plenty of people who don't like a specific athlete or team, and can still have a very rational, intelligent opinion regarding that player or team.

This.


Hater, just means that you are allowing your judgment to be clouded by that hate. Period. You are searching for things to discredit a player for example, rather than just discussing the player/team/whatever.

I don't see a lot of that with Kobe for what it's worth on here. There are just some irrational Kobe fans on this site that like to perpetuate false narratives about him, and there are a lot of posters that like to call those falsehoods out.



Personally, I appreciate Kobe as the second best shooting guard of all-time, a Jordan-light caliber player. An all-time great, Derek Jeter of basketball. But, Jeter is also over-rated all time by a good amount of fans, and I think that happens with Kobe a lot.

Tony_Starks
01-02-2015, 02:02 AM
Its not that complicated. When someone literally says "I hate Kobe" I take their word for it and label them a hater. A whole lot of so called objective posters on this board say those exact words. To expect someone who is openly a hater to have a rational unbiased opinion of Kobe defies all logic and common sense.

Jamiecballer
01-02-2015, 11:12 AM
^ sometimes when someone says they hate Kobe what they really mean is that they hate the way he plays the game. won't speak for everyone else but if i've ever said "i hate Kobe" it's for that exact reason.

Hawkeye15
01-02-2015, 11:22 AM
^ sometimes when someone says they hate Kobe what they really mean is that they hate the way he plays the game. won't speak for everyone else but if i've ever said "i hate Kobe" it's for that exact reason.

I simply don't think he is a good man, that is why I never liked him. His style of play is not a big one I like, but neither is Harden's, and I don't hate him, because he seems like a good guy. Kobe just has always come across to me as an unlikeable guy, period. That is why I dislike him, and his incredibly defensive fans made it even more annoying.

Jamiecballer
01-02-2015, 01:09 PM
I simply don't think he is a good man, that is why I never liked him. His style of play is not a big one I like, but neither is Harden's, and I don't hate him, because he seems like a good guy. Kobe just has always come across to me as an unlikeable guy, period. That is why I dislike him, and his incredibly defensive fans made it even more annoying.

both those things for me as well.

Andrew32
01-02-2015, 01:51 PM
One thing I have never liked about Kobe is his willingness to criticize teammates while rarely (if ever) taking blame for his own poor play.

For example in 2004 he criticized Shaq for not training hard enough in earlier years or whatever even though Shaq had BADLY outperformed him in the playoffs the year before and had recently carried the franchise to a 3peat.
Its like... don't talk sh** about your teammate when you are playing much worse then him.

Then around 2012 he trashed Gasol even though he himself was also playing like crap and was ball hoggin to the extreme.

Tony_Starks
01-02-2015, 03:47 PM
^ sometimes when someone says they hate Kobe what they really mean is that they hate the way he plays the game. won't speak for everyone else but if i've ever said "i hate Kobe" it's for that exact reason.

I simply don't think he is a good man, that is why I never liked him. His style of play is not a big one I like, but neither is Harden's, and I don't hate him, because he seems like a good guy. Kobe just has always come across to me as an unlikeable guy, period. That is why I dislike him, and his incredibly defensive fans made it even more annoying.

By that same criteria you could say the same about MJ or Lebron. Lots of people dislike their personas off the court, and their fans are ridiculously defensive,exaggerating, and hyper sensitive.....

Hawkeye15
01-02-2015, 03:50 PM
By that same criteria you could say the same about MJ or Lebron. Lots of people dislike their personas off the court, and their fans are ridiculously defensive,exaggerating, and hyper sensitive.....

Social media wasn't around when Jordan was playing, it would have impacted the view on him for sure. LeBron seems like a good man.

There are no fans in this basketball universe as sensitive and defensive as Kobe fans. You being among them, I would not expect to understand, nor agree. But, it's true.

Tony_Starks
01-02-2015, 04:11 PM
By that same criteria you could say the same about MJ or Lebron. Lots of people dislike their personas off the court, and their fans are ridiculously defensive,exaggerating, and hyper sensitive.....

Social media wasn't around when Jordan was playing, it would have impacted the view on him for sure. LeBron seems like a good man.

There are no fans in this basketball universe as sensitive and defensive as Kobe fans. You being among them, I would not expect to understand, nor agree. But, it's true.

All subjective. My opinion is Lebron fans are equally as ridiculous if not worse. The lengths you guys go to defend him are nothing short of comical....

My point is I don't use that as a excuse to "hate" him. And who's to say if him or Kobe are good guys? That's all subjective too unless you actually know them personally....

Hawkeye15
01-02-2015, 04:31 PM
All subjective. My opinion is Lebron fans are equally as ridiculous if not worse. The lengths you guys go to defend him are nothing short of comical....

My point is I don't use that as a excuse to "hate" him. And who's to say if him or Kobe are good guys? That's all subjective too unless you actually know them personally....

Meh, who are these extreme LeBron fans though? I get called a LeBron nut hugger, and I am a Wolves fan. You would be hard pressed to find anyone who would just lose it in a debate defending LeBron, but there are plenty of posters who have gotten permma banned, or infracted because they lose their **** defending Kobe. He has some of the most loyal and insane fans there are.

The term "hater" is so stupid. Never got it.

jerellh528
01-02-2015, 04:40 PM
i think a lot of these guys don't even truly hate kobe, they just bait because they get a kick out of trolling kobe fans after all the years of kobe on top, now he's in a state that's easy to pick at. It's why I try to stop replying to the well known anti kobe posters.

Hawkeye15
01-02-2015, 05:21 PM
i think a lot of these guys don't even truly hate kobe, they just bait because they get a kick out of trolling kobe fans after all the years of kobe on top, now he's in a state that's easy to pick at. It's why I try to stop replying to the well known anti kobe posters.

I do the same to any extreme fans (you know the couple of Kobe ones as examples). But man, you get pulled in now and then hahaha

Jamiecballer
01-02-2015, 05:45 PM
Meh, who are these extreme LeBron fans though? I get called a LeBron nut hugger, and I am a Wolves fan. You would be hard pressed to find anyone who would just lose it in a debate defending LeBron, but there are plenty of posters who have gotten permma banned, or infracted because they lose their **** defending Kobe. He has some of the most loyal and insane fans there are.

The term "hater" is so stupid. Never got it.
I think you've got a pretty solid point. LeBron fans argue with fact but it's Kobe fans that are prone to emotional outbursts not the other way around.

sammyvine
01-03-2015, 04:41 PM
All subjective. My opinion is Lebron fans are equally as ridiculous if not worse. The lengths you guys go to defend him are nothing short of comical....

My point is I don't use that as a excuse to "hate" him. And who's to say if him or Kobe are good guys? That's all subjective too unless you actually know them personally....

This is how i feel

I will never understand why fans even care about players personalities. Lebron, MJ, Kobe etc...I mean who cares. We should only care about their game not how they are or come across. Its not like they are our friends.

sammyvine
01-03-2015, 04:44 PM
Meh, who are these extreme LeBron fans though? I get called a LeBron nut hugger, and I am a Wolves fan. You would be hard pressed to find anyone who would just lose it in a debate defending LeBron, but there are plenty of posters who have gotten permma banned, or infracted because they lose their **** defending Kobe. He has some of the most loyal and insane fans there are.

The term "hater" is so stupid. Never got it.

You cannot say Kobe Bryant or any bball player isn't a good man. Unless he has been charged for murder or whatever how can you be sure? You hear things etc...but unless you've met him how can you possibly know? Ive met people many times who at first glance I was instantly put off but as I got to know them my opinion changed fully. Its part of life.

Jeffy25
01-05-2015, 01:32 AM
Meh, who are these extreme LeBron fans though? I get called a LeBron nut hugger, and I am a Wolves fan. You would be hard pressed to find anyone who would just lose it in a debate defending LeBron, but there are plenty of posters who have gotten permma banned, or infracted because they lose their **** defending Kobe. He has some of the most loyal and insane fans there are.

The term "hater" is so stupid. Never got it.

When I have just read and not posted in debates on here, here is what I have noticed:


Kobe fans post with emotions and cherry pick events of greatness and rely on things that aren't even necessarily inside an individual players control.

LeBron fans seem to discuss topics based on facts and stats....and that is because he has the better numbers and facts.

I see a lot of people being called bron fans and lovers and they seem to be fans of other teams, while the only guys supporting Kobe are Laker fans anyway.


I don't really care that much personally. I don't like Kobe or LeBron as people, or their personalities. But I find it difficult to ignore the multitude of information that supports LeBron as the superior player all-time if not already, about to become.

quade36
01-05-2015, 01:52 AM
You cannot say Kobe Bryant or any bball player isn't a good man. Unless he has been charged for murder or whatever how can you be sure? You hear things etc...but unless you've met him how can you possibly know? Ive met people many times who at first glance I was instantly put off but as I got to know them my opinion changed fully. Its part of life.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobe_Bryant_sexual_assault_case

Sorry I know I know this gets blasted by Kobe fans and I'm sorry for even posting it as it will get a lot of not true responses. But if anything this paints a picture of Kobe as an aggressor to this woman, that he was not true to his wife, and that no one really knows what happened and at this point it doesn't even matter because it was all swept under the table. The truth will never be known.

As a superstar sports athlete you must be held to a higher standard. You are such a figure to many people in this country. Children look up to you. If anything this paints the picture of 'fame, fortune, women' as something that is clearly acceptable when you get to that point.

My point of all this. Michael Jordan was the GOAT, but was he a good man? He clearly was able to manipulate the system to hide his wrong-doings. Kobe may have been a great basketball player, but is he a good man? Well, he clearly was able to take a page from Jordan in that area.

I think there are a lot of basketball players that could be labeled good men. Like Dikembe Mutombo or the late Manute Bol. There are a lot that haven't. Heck there are a lot of people that think Jordan and Kobe are good men. Its how you as a person perceives what is right or wrong. I as a person, think infidelity is a horrible thing and in my eyes is a sign of selfishness and blatant disregard for some other person. Relationships are based on respect. Respect you have for your partner's mind, body and sole. Once that respect is broken there is no turning back. As a married man and a father of soon to be two children the strongest bond I have with my wife is the respect we have for each other. If thats lost, the relationship has no foundation. We'll never know if Kobe sexual assaulted that woman. Does it matter? He had relations with her, things definitely got out of hand, and the public found out about it. Again, he may be a great basketball player, HOF'er, etc. But its hard not to judge him as a man.

Tony_Starks
01-05-2015, 02:19 AM
Meh, who are these extreme LeBron fans though? I get called a LeBron nut hugger, and I am a Wolves fan. You would be hard pressed to find anyone who would just lose it in a debate defending LeBron, but there are plenty of posters who have gotten permma banned, or infracted because they lose their **** defending Kobe. He has some of the most loyal and insane fans there are.

The term "hater" is so stupid. Never got it.

When I have just read and not posted in debates on here, here is what I have noticed:


Kobe fans post with emotions and cherry pick events of greatness and rely on things that aren't even necessarily inside an individual players control.

LeBron fans seem to discuss topics based on facts and stats....and that is because he has the better numbers and facts.

I see a lot of people being called bron fans and lovers and they seem to be fans of other teams, while the only guys supporting Kobe are Laker fans anyway.


I don't really care that much personally. I don't like Kobe or LeBron as people, or their personalities. But I find it difficult to ignore the multitude of information that supports LeBron as the superior player all-time if not already, about to become.

First off there are many Kobe fans on this very forum that are not Laker fans in any way. Let's start there.

Secondly the way you generalize Kobe fans I can also easily say Lebron fans flood every Lebron thread, defend him vigorously even when he obviously deserves criticism, and religiously interject Kobe's name in Lebron threads that have absolutely nothing to do with him just to bait Kobe fans.

So let's not play this Kobe fans are emotional and unreasonable but Lebron fans are just factual observers game. That's a insult to the intelligence of anyone that actually observes these debates....

kingsdelez24
01-05-2015, 04:46 AM
You cannot say Kobe Bryant or any bball player isn't a good man. Unless he has been charged for murder or whatever how can you be sure? You hear things etc...but unless you've met him how can you possibly know? Ive met people many times who at first glance I was instantly put off but as I got to know them my opinion changed fully. Its part of life.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobe_Bryant_sexual_assault_case

Sorry I know I know this gets blasted by Kobe fans and I'm sorry for even posting it as it will get a lot of not true responses. But if anything this paints a picture of Kobe as an aggressor to this woman, that he was not true to his wife, and that no one really knows what happened and at this point it doesn't even matter because it was all swept under the table. The truth will never be known.

As a superstar sports athlete you must be held to a higher standard. You are such a figure to many people in this country. Children look up to you. If anything this paints the picture of 'fame, fortune, women' as something that is clearly acceptable when you get to that point.

My point of all this. Michael Jordan was the GOAT, but was he a good man? He clearly was able to manipulate the system to hide his wrong-doings. Kobe may have been a great basketball player, but is he a good man? Well, he clearly was able to take a page from Jordan in that area.

I think there are a lot of basketball players that could be labeled good men. Like Dikembe Mutombo or the late Manute Bol. There are a lot that haven't. Heck there are a lot of people that think Jordan and Kobe are good men. Its how you as a person perceives what is right or wrong. I as a person, think infidelity is a horrible thing and in my eyes is a sign of selfishness and blatant disregard for some other person. Relationships are based on respect. Respect you have for your partner's mind, body and sole. Once that respect is broken there is no turning back. As a married man and a father of soon to be two children the strongest bond I have with my wife is the respect we have for each other. If thats lost, the relationship has no foundation. We'll never know if Kobe sexual assaulted that woman. Does it matter? He had relations with her, things definitely got out of hand, and the public found out about it. Again, he may be a great basketball player, HOF'er, etc. But its hard not to judge him as a man.

He bought her a ring worth more than some players salary, I think she's over it :laughs:

PhillyFaninLA
01-05-2015, 08:41 AM
And I thought the OP was a Kobe fan...no Kobe fan would make this topic

Jeffy25
01-05-2015, 09:53 AM
First off there are many Kobe fans on this very forum that are not Laker fans in any way. Let's start there.

Secondly the way you generalize Kobe fans I can also easily say Lebron fans flood every Lebron thread, defend him vigorously even when he obviously deserves criticism, and religiously interject Kobe's name in Lebron threads that have absolutely nothing to do with him just to bait Kobe fans.

So let's not play this Kobe fans are emotional and unreasonable but Lebron fans are just factual observers game. That's a insult to the intelligence of anyone that actually observes these debates....

Who are some of these LeBron fans even

I dunno who they are. I haven't seen anyone just vehemently defend LeBron like you are saying they have. But I have seen plenty of people do that with Kobe.

Maybe we are going to do agree to disagree here, but I haven't seen what you are referring to at all.

Jamiecballer
01-05-2015, 10:11 AM
First off there are many Kobe fans on this very forum that are not Laker fans in any way. Let's start there.

Secondly the way you generalize Kobe fans I can also easily say Lebron fans flood every Lebron thread, defend him vigorously even when he obviously deserves criticism, and religiously interject Kobe's name in Lebron threads that have absolutely nothing to do with him just to bait Kobe fans.

So let's not play this Kobe fans are emotional and unreasonable but Lebron fans are just factual observers game. That's a insult to the intelligence of anyone that actually observes these debates....

no, it's not. it's spot on. let's take a roll call of who the guys are that support Lebron as being better than Kobe, followed by the team they are a fan of.

I'll start. Lebron is much better, and I am a raptors fan.

Who's next.

ATX
01-05-2015, 10:20 AM
no, it's not. it's spot on. let's take a roll call of who the guys are that support Lebron as being better than Kobe, followed by the team they are a fan of.

I'll start. Lebron is much better, and I am a raptors fan.

Who's next.

LeBron is much better, and I am a Heat fan.

Jeffy25
01-05-2015, 10:36 AM
no, it's not. it's spot on. let's take a roll call of who the guys are that support Lebron as being better than Kobe, followed by the team they are a fan of.

I'll start. Lebron is much better, and I am a raptors fan.

Who's next.

LeBron is better, (will be all-time soon, obviously is better currently and has been since LeBron's second year in the league) I don't have a favorite team.

jaydubb
01-05-2015, 11:16 AM
How did this turn into a kobe vs lebron debate :confused:

Hawkeye15
01-05-2015, 11:25 AM
You cannot say Kobe Bryant or any bball player isn't a good man. Unless he has been charged for murder or whatever how can you be sure? You hear things etc...but unless you've met him how can you possibly know? Ive met people many times who at first glance I was instantly put off but as I got to know them my opinion changed fully. Its part of life.

I will take the word of his coaches and teammates. On top of that, there have been multiple times he has been labeled as an isolationist, he has publically thrown teammates under the bus, and should we bring up the trial?

Kobe is not a good dude, meaning, a nice guy. He just comes off as, and is, a dick. So was Jordan. So what. Some guys are likeable, some are dicks. Kobe is the latter. I never liked him, because he seems like a guy who all about himself. I don't see anything in his history pointing away from that, only towards it.

You can have any opinion you like, that is mine. You won't change it.

Hawkeye15
01-05-2015, 11:27 AM
no, it's not. it's spot on. let's take a roll call of who the guys are that support Lebron as being better than Kobe, followed by the team they are a fan of.

I'll start. Lebron is much better, and I am a raptors fan.

Who's next.

LeBron is much better, and I am a Wolves fan

Hawkeye15
01-05-2015, 11:28 AM
How did this turn into a kobe vs lebron debate :confused:

because on this site, you apparently can't have a discussion about one without the other being drug in.

Tony_Starks
01-05-2015, 11:38 AM
How did this turn into a kobe vs lebron debate :confused:

Because that's what insecure Lebron fans do, bring him up anytime Kobe's name is mentioned...

Hawkeye15
01-05-2015, 11:58 AM
Because that's what insecure Lebron fans do, bring him up anytime Kobe's name is mentioned...

think it's the other way around dude. And however it starts, usually it's a legit topic brought up, that then turns into a flame war with the Kobe extremists fueling the fire.

But, you don't see it that way. You never will. You see it through blue/gold eyes. I get called a LeBron nut hugger by Kobe fans when I barely spend any time in my life caring about him, and watch him play maybe 15 times a year. you don't see the irony in that?

Hangin n Wangin
01-05-2015, 01:29 PM
How did this turn into a kobe vs lebron debate :confused:

It always does in this stupid forum. And even though he likes to say he doesn't like to get involved, guess who is the head of the discussion EVERYTIME. Hawkeye.......

Tony_Starks
01-05-2015, 01:41 PM
Because that's what insecure Lebron fans do, bring him up anytime Kobe's name is mentioned...

think it's the other way around dude. And however it starts, usually it's a legit topic brought up, that then turns into a flame war with the Kobe extremists fueling the fire.

But, you don't see it that way. You never will. You see it through blue/gold eyes. I get called a LeBron nut hugger by Kobe fans when I barely spend any time in my life caring about him, and watch him play maybe 15 times a year. you don't see the irony in that?

Man its a Kobe topic, talking specifically and only about how people go out of their way to throw shade at the great. It goes from that-----> dissing Kobe fans------> Lebron fans better than Kobe fans--------> Lebron is better than Kobe. Its so predictable its almost funny.

I don't care what color glasses I have on a blind man can see its not so called "Kobe extremist" interjecting that other guys name in for no apparent reason. The way you guys act is as if you can't actually admire both players. You choose sides like dodgeball!

Jamiecballer
01-05-2015, 01:58 PM
Man its a Kobe topic, talking specifically and only about how people go out of their way to throw shade at the great. It goes from that-----> dissing Kobe fans------> Lebron fans better than Kobe fans--------> Lebron is better than Kobe. Its so predictable its almost funny.

I don't care what color glasses I have on a blind man can see its not so called "Kobe extremist" interjecting that other guys name in for no apparent reason. The way you guys act is as if you can't actually admire both players. You choose sides like dodgeball!

i wonder who would win in a game of dodgeball?

Hawkeye15
01-05-2015, 02:09 PM
Man its a Kobe topic, talking specifically and only about how people go out of their way to throw shade at the great. It goes from that-----> dissing Kobe fans------> Lebron fans better than Kobe fans--------> Lebron is better than Kobe. Its so predictable its almost funny.

I don't care what color glasses I have on a blind man can see its not so called "Kobe extremist" interjecting that other guys name in for no apparent reason. The way you guys act is as if you can't actually admire both players. You choose sides like dodgeball!

Laker fans make you choose a side with Kobe. You either have to go ga-ga over him, or you hate him in their eyes.

You see the string different than most do unfortunately.

FraziersKnicks
01-05-2015, 02:48 PM
no, it's not. it's spot on. let's take a roll call of who the guys are that support Lebron as being better than Kobe, followed by the team they are a fan of.

I'll start. Lebron is much better, and I am a raptors fan.

Who's next.

I'm a Knicks fan and LeBron is a much better player than Kobe.

TheIlladelph16
01-05-2015, 02:56 PM
I will take the word of his coaches and teammates. On top of that, there have been multiple times he has been labeled as an isolationist, he has publically thrown teammates under the bus, and should we bring up the trial?

Kobe is not a good dude, meaning, a nice guy. He just comes off as, and is, a dick. So was Jordan. So what. Some guys are likeable, some are dicks. Kobe is the latter. I never liked him, because he seems like a guy who all about himself. I don't see anything in his history pointing away from that, only towards it.

You can have any opinion you like, that is mine. You won't change it.

Pretty much why I don't like Kobe. Spot on.

Munkeysuit
01-05-2015, 03:14 PM
This is pretty funny! the word hate is a pretty strong word, I think the majority uses the word "hater" because its a catchy sell on a rather normal human condition. I really don't think anyone hate's any one player (in this instance Kobe) I think people who follow basketball or sports in general, are most likely very competitive in nature, so much so that it changes their attitudes towards someone who threatens (so to speak) their reasoning behind supporting a player or team that they invest their time, money, efforts and emotion into.

Tony_Starks
01-05-2015, 03:36 PM
Man its a Kobe topic, talking specifically and only about how people go out of their way to throw shade at the great. It goes from that-----> dissing Kobe fans------> Lebron fans better than Kobe fans--------> Lebron is better than Kobe. Its so predictable its almost funny.

I don't care what color glasses I have on a blind man can see its not so called "Kobe extremist" interjecting that other guys name in for no apparent reason. The way you guys act is as if you can't actually admire both players. You choose sides like dodgeball!

i wonder who would win in a game of dodgeball?

Steve Nash would probably beat them both ...

Hawkeye15
01-05-2015, 03:41 PM
Steve Nash would probably beat them both ...

Kevin Love would probably kill everyone haha

Jamiecballer
01-05-2015, 03:42 PM
Steve Nash would probably beat them both ...

true. especially since he's so teeny and the same color as the ball :P

5ass
01-11-2015, 07:19 PM
I'm a Knicks fan and LeBron is a much better player than Kobe.

I'm a Magic fan and LeBron is a better player than Kobe.

Ty22Mitchell
01-11-2015, 07:46 PM
don't forget to mention the 9 turnovers.

Exactly. Why do Kobe fans love to cherry pick stats that only tell half the story?

Ty22Mitchell
01-11-2015, 07:48 PM
I'm a Magic fan and LeBron is a better player than Kobe.


How so? Better is a pretty vague term.