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GodsSon
12-22-2014, 03:24 PM
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TORONTO RAPTORS (http://www.nba.com/raptors/index_main.html) v. CHICAGO BULLS (www.nba.com/pistons)


Date: December 22nd, 2014
Time: 8 EST
Location: United Center, Chicago
TV/Radio: SNET1/FAN590



Game Preview (http://www.nba.com/raptors/game-day-raptors-bulls)



Starting line-ups


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qM1fRWunfz0

Sadds The Gr8
12-22-2014, 03:29 PM
I'd be more than happy if we went 3-3 on this road trip. Tuff teams....

BALLER R
12-22-2014, 03:50 PM
Key matchup Ross vs Butler

jon32
12-22-2014, 05:14 PM
Really think we'll need a miracle to win this one. Not having DeRozan getting to the line is gonna be a big loss for this game.
Our bench is gonna have to dominate

BALLER R
12-22-2014, 05:57 PM
Really think we'll need a miracle to win this one. Not having DeRozan getting to the line is gonna be a big loss for this game.
Our bench is gonna have to dominate

It seems like that's all he's good for because that's all people ever say. There are more ways to win a game than just free throws ie. Play defense for 48 mins, take better shots, ball movement, don't commit stupid fouls, and rebound, rebound, rebound.

Miltstar
12-22-2014, 06:00 PM
Really think we'll need a miracle to win this one. Not having DeRozan getting to the line is gonna be a big loss for this game.
Our bench is gonna have to dominate

If you remember the last match up at all Derozan pretty much cost us the game because Jimmy Butler simply dominated him

koreancabbage
12-22-2014, 06:01 PM
Really think we'll need a miracle to win this one. Not having DeRozan getting to the line is gonna be a big loss for this game.
Our bench is gonna have to dominate

PF matchups. How is Amir going to stop Gasol

Mirotic vs Patterson is gonna be the key matchup.

North Yorker
12-22-2014, 06:08 PM
JJ should be shooting 200 corner 3's a day. If he got that shot down he'd be a legit starting SF in the league.

Baltoro
12-22-2014, 06:08 PM
If you remember the last match up at all Derozan pretty much cost us the game because Jimmy Butler simply dominated him

Butler is so freaking good. I see a pretty rough night for Ross. Jimmy is gonna have him on lock down.

BALLER R
12-22-2014, 06:12 PM
Butler is so freaking good. I see a pretty rough night for Ross. Jimmy is gonna have him on lock down.

What if Butler doesn't lock Ross down as much as he did Demar. For me that's what I'm looking forward to. Will Ross be a non factor and if he is then I'll be really impressed. Without Demar I think we win this game mainly because last game I think he costed us that game.

North Yorker
12-22-2014, 06:16 PM
Butler is so freaking good. I see a pretty rough night for Ross. Jimmy is gonna have him on lock down.

Thibs is running that guy into the ground. He plays 40 mins a night, most in the league. 1.5 mins more than the 2nd most player.

He's either gonna wear down or get injured sooner or later.

bucketss
12-22-2014, 06:26 PM
didn't butler block demars game winner last year as well, hes been butlers ***** for awhile.

The Wise 1
12-22-2014, 06:37 PM
I'm kinda glad I wont be able to see this one. I think the refs will piss me off.

Even though we played them well and we can say that we outplayed them except for one quarter. The thing I don't think people realize is that we made our lead when the Bulls went to there bench. Then Thibs didn't let them play a lick in the 2nd half and things changed. Also, we got back into the game in the fourth, but wasn't that because Rose got hurt and we made crazy shots?

Coming off a back to back and playing in Chicago. I think we get blown out.

I'm really curious how these next 6 games play out.

dtmagnet
12-22-2014, 06:42 PM
No minute restrictions for our guys seeing as we dont play until Saturday.

TO Rapz
12-22-2014, 08:16 PM
Can't wait for this game. Very excited.

BALLER R
12-22-2014, 08:34 PM
No minute restrictions for our guys seeing as we dont play until Saturday.

Casey can't stick to rotation if someone isn't cutting it sit them because this is an important game. JV should be rested, Guys didn't play heavy minutes last night so we're good.

Sanyo
12-22-2014, 09:09 PM
Damn I wish this game was even tomorrow, I would have gone to Chicago to watch this...

Sanyo
12-22-2014, 09:11 PM
****ing d rose playing today...

Sanyo
12-22-2014, 09:12 PM
nice move by jv over pau!

Sanyo
12-22-2014, 09:15 PM
JV with the nice pump fake on Noah to get the dunk... JV has impressed me a lot lately...

BALLER R
12-22-2014, 09:18 PM
JV and Ross playing with a ton of confidence.

Sanyo
12-22-2014, 09:19 PM
JV and Ross playing with a ton of confidence.

JV has schooled Gasol and Noah today... this is the JV we have all be waiting for...

Sanyo
12-22-2014, 09:20 PM
WTF no foul?!?!

BALLER R
12-22-2014, 09:21 PM
JV has schooled Gasol and Noah today... this is the JV we have all be waiting for...

The blessing in disguise of Demars injury. JV has been used more and his improvement has been showing over the past week or two. I just hope we don't get away from him when Demar comes back.

BHF
12-22-2014, 09:21 PM
Now watch Lou come in and start chucking away

Baltoro
12-22-2014, 09:24 PM
Sooooooo JV is looking good

LanceUpperCut
12-22-2014, 09:28 PM
Wow Jonas looking good so far. He got hit hard a couple times with no call too.

BALLER R
12-22-2014, 09:28 PM
Now watch Lou come in and start chucking away

Not liking what I'm seeing from him so far.

BHF
12-22-2014, 09:30 PM
They have to play a perfect game for us to have a chance to win.

TO Rapz
12-22-2014, 09:30 PM
****ing Lou man starting to annoy me

TO Rapz
12-22-2014, 09:35 PM
Damn lol 33-33 after 1

jon32
12-22-2014, 09:41 PM
G.V is really annoying me

canzano55
12-22-2014, 09:45 PM
C'mon Hans try and finish around the rim for once.

pebloemer
12-22-2014, 09:46 PM
Bulls with 4 fouls early in the quarter, already in the bonus. Our bench doing a nice job.

Sanyo
12-22-2014, 09:46 PM
Raps have played well today...

Sanyo
12-22-2014, 09:47 PM
G.V is really annoying me

GV should not shoot at all.. just distribute the ball and thats it...

BHF
12-22-2014, 09:49 PM
With Hans on the floor we are playing 4 vs 5 on offense.

pebloemer
12-22-2014, 09:49 PM
It's only been just over a game, but I love watching Taj and Patterson go head to head.

pebloemer
12-22-2014, 09:50 PM
Oh Terrence... :/

canzano55
12-22-2014, 09:53 PM
GV should not shoot at all.. just distribute the ball and thats it...He's a good distributor but he takes terrible shots at the same time.

Weird player.

Baltoro
12-22-2014, 09:58 PM
It has occurred to me that Patterson has extremely narrow eyes.

canzano55
12-22-2014, 10:06 PM
Lowry torpedoed our offence this quarter.

jon32
12-22-2014, 10:09 PM
I can't help but to think about it every time I see him

SA5195
12-22-2014, 10:13 PM
Really good 1st half by the Raps :)

LanceUpperCut
12-22-2014, 10:16 PM
Man JJ has been such a stud on this team. I knew he could be a nice bench piece but **** he has blown pass my expectations for sure.

dtmagnet
12-22-2014, 10:17 PM
Getting what we want on offense but giving up almost just as much, dangerous game to play.

Raps08-09 Champ
12-22-2014, 10:18 PM
Surprised we are ahead. But Thibs is a wizard. He'll adjust the defense. Hope we can adjust as well.

LanceUpperCut
12-22-2014, 10:27 PM
Man we need something from are starting PF. Amir has a stat line of 0-4fg, 0 ORB, 1 DRB and 0 blocks. Were winning games and don't really need much offensive from him but the rebounding numbers this season from him have been horrible. His defense has been on the decline for a while now too.

BHF
12-22-2014, 10:29 PM
Man we need something from are starting PF. Amir has a stat line of 0-4fg, 0 ORB, 1 DRB and 0 blocks. Were winning games and don't really need much offensive from him but the rebounding numbers this season from him have been horrible. His defense has been on the decline for a while now too.

Hey Josh Smith is available :laugh:

canzano55
12-22-2014, 10:45 PM
The Bulls are stopping us in our tracks which was expected I guess. *sigh*

LanceUpperCut
12-22-2014, 10:50 PM
Finally

Sanyo
12-22-2014, 10:51 PM
Cant let this slip...

Sanyo
12-22-2014, 10:51 PM
Play JJ, P Pat, Val, Ross, and Lowry to finish the game...

FriedTofuz
12-22-2014, 10:53 PM
has anyone noticed vasquezs play? every time he comes on the court, he takes a ton of shots and doesnt look for his teammates. It takes a lot of contested shots and forces them. He makes a lot of turnovers for a guy who should be more like calderon and look to setup the offense rather than looking for his own pts. He makes the ball stick and the offense just doesnt go as crisp as it could go.

FriedTofuz
12-22-2014, 10:56 PM
And it isnt just this game, vasques has been doing it all season and it's getting frustrating. Like dont the coaches make players watch tape? surely vasquez can see that he needs to pass and run the offense rather than looking for his offense at every opportunity. just one thing ive noticed this game, he pulled up for a contested 3 on the fast break, it wasnt as if it was open and they gave it to him, he rushed it.He also hogged the ball at the end of the 1st quarter and tried to be kobe with a end of quarter shot, which he ended up airballing because he hesitated.

Sanyo
12-22-2014, 10:56 PM
GV has played horrible...should not play again today...

canzano55
12-22-2014, 10:59 PM
Lou is having a tough game today.

pebloemer
12-22-2014, 11:01 PM
Butler has played 36 minutes already. Logging big minutes.

Sanyo
12-22-2014, 11:02 PM
lou is a piece of **** sometimes

BHF
12-22-2014, 11:02 PM
Everyone complaining about GV but Lou has been much worse.

Sanyo
12-22-2014, 11:02 PM
Butler has played 36 minutes already. Logging big minutes.

He plays big minutes every night...sometimes even 43, 44 mins.

Casey should let the best players load up on mins today...

Sanyo
12-22-2014, 11:04 PM
JV should be on the floor!

Sanyo
12-22-2014, 11:05 PM
**** slipping away...

Sanyo
12-22-2014, 11:06 PM
**** **** ****!

Baltoro
12-22-2014, 11:06 PM
Wheels are falling off here

canzano55
12-22-2014, 11:06 PM
Pathetic 4th quarter...

Sanyo
12-22-2014, 11:07 PM
Lou and Vasquez have been absolute ***** today..

BALLER R
12-22-2014, 11:08 PM
So we not using JV smh

Baltoro
12-22-2014, 11:08 PM
I don't know why it's difficult for this team to hold onto leads. So f'ing frustrating.

FriedTofuz
12-22-2014, 11:09 PM
Lou hasnt been bad this consistently, it's just GV, from tr atart of the season till now, he's been so bad, not the same as last year.

Sanyo
12-22-2014, 11:09 PM
I don't know why it's difficult for this team to hold onto leads. So f'ing frustrating.

like most of this franchise' history...

Sanyo
12-22-2014, 11:10 PM
**** **** ****!z

Sanyo
12-22-2014, 11:10 PM
Lowry with 5 fouls ****!!

Sanyo
12-22-2014, 11:13 PM
man can't believe this team!!

Sanyo
12-22-2014, 11:14 PM
man lowry is keeping the raps alive...

Sanyo
12-22-2014, 11:15 PM
Wtffffffffff!!!!

TO Rapz
12-22-2014, 11:16 PM
Hows that a foul on JV?

Baltoro
12-22-2014, 11:16 PM
Wow.

mjt20mik
12-22-2014, 11:17 PM
lmao.. i'm not even surprised

Toxeryll
12-22-2014, 11:17 PM
Same. Refs takin over as usual

Rego247
12-22-2014, 11:17 PM
Game

canzano55
12-22-2014, 11:17 PM
I think the days of us leading the eastern conference is coming to an untimely end but it was a great ride.

Sanyo
12-22-2014, 11:18 PM
who is this piece of **** mirotic getting all of these free throws.

Sanyo
12-22-2014, 11:19 PM
36 free throws by chicago, 33 in...

LanceUpperCut
12-22-2014, 11:21 PM
Same. Refs takin over as usual

It was obvious it was gonna happen. But really are little stretch of garbage during a 6 minute period during the 3rd did us in.

Baltoro
12-22-2014, 11:21 PM
This game is pretty indicative of whats separating us from elite status. This team has proven that it cannot consistently close out tight games against top competition i.e. executing offensively and getting stops.

Sanyo
12-22-2014, 11:22 PM
wtf is lou running the offence?

koreancabbage
12-22-2014, 11:22 PM
Gg.

LAKobeBryant
12-22-2014, 11:23 PM
now he puts ross on rose.... after the game is over

Sanyo
12-22-2014, 11:23 PM
way way way way way too many fouls called today for both teams.... refs kinda ruined the rhythm.

Sanyo
12-22-2014, 11:24 PM
why is lou on the floor???

Sanyo
12-22-2014, 11:25 PM
butler and rose could be the best backcourt in the nba.

bucketss
12-22-2014, 11:25 PM
if they attack the rim they wont get the call anyway,

aman_13
12-22-2014, 11:28 PM
I didn't like the way this game was officiated. I really felt they let the Bulls back in it when the Raps built the big lead in the third.

Sanyo
12-22-2014, 11:28 PM
whats the point of going in.. just try the 3 and try your luck...

koreancabbage
12-22-2014, 11:28 PM
This game is pretty indicative of whats separating us from elite status. This team has proven that it cannot consistently close out tight games against top competition i.e. executing offensively and getting stops.

No inside scoring. That's why Raps can't compete on a nightly basis against good/great teams. Too predictable. It starts from the perimeter. If a big man scores, it's because the Guards wants to give it up on a play.

Can't win them all but it's the story of the team. We can go pretty far with a scoring big man.

Don't know how far we can go with a defensive big. Offense just labors as the game goes along against good teams

Sanyo
12-22-2014, 11:30 PM
I didn't like the way this game was officiated. I really felt they let the Bulls back in it when the Raps built the big lead in the third.

this is how i felt when the raps played cleveland and lost 105-101...

Sanyo
12-22-2014, 11:31 PM
**** just try the 3 man! just trading baskets now...

LanceUpperCut
12-22-2014, 11:32 PM
This team needs to trade for a PF or a C after Jonas and PP it's a huge drop off. Jonas could be more effective with a legit PF beside him too.

Sanyo
12-22-2014, 11:32 PM
why burn timeouts here...

koreancabbage
12-22-2014, 11:33 PM
Or what not. We need both a defensive big and offensive big. Lol

Someone that has both doesn't exist for the raptors to get

Sanyo
12-22-2014, 11:33 PM
This team needs to trade for a PF or a C after Jonas and PP it's a huge drop off. Jonas could be more effective with a legit PF beside him too.

problem is none really to give right now...

Sanyo
12-22-2014, 11:33 PM
thats what they should have done... 3's...

Sanyo
12-22-2014, 11:34 PM
casey burned all the timeouts...

Sanyo
12-22-2014, 11:35 PM
wow 47-36 4th quarter scoring... this quarter is ugly!

TO Rapz
12-22-2014, 11:35 PM
46 points in a Q...

LanceUpperCut
12-22-2014, 11:37 PM
problem is none really to give right now...

Sure their is. Picks, expiring deals or young guys like Bruno or Bebe

Sanyo
12-22-2014, 11:38 PM
Sure their is. Picks, expiring deals or young guys like Bruno or Bebe

I mean who you going to get?? Monroe is the only one available...

Rego247
12-22-2014, 11:41 PM
We can hang with these guys for 3 quarters then they pull way.

Just not good enough against an elite team.

Sanyo
12-22-2014, 11:43 PM
Amir, Lou and Vasquez combined for 5 for 23... not going to get it done...

Rego247
12-22-2014, 11:43 PM
Denver and phx are our best chance to get a W on this trip.

Sanyo
12-22-2014, 11:44 PM
Well the positive was that the Raps did play very good basketball for 3 quarters... shooting fell off at the end of the 3rd quarter and everything broke down in the 4th.

Raps just didn't tighten up the d and when Rose is on... he is on and nothing you can do to stop him... wish he was still injured today ****ing ******* is hurt half the time but played both times against us...

Sanyo
12-22-2014, 11:46 PM
I still think they will beat one of GS and Portland. Clippers can give them trouble but if they can hack a Jordan they may pull out a surprise win. Denver I think they will beat. Phoenix will be a tough one but winnable.

Let's see how it goes...

koreancabbage
12-22-2014, 11:47 PM
Josh Smith in a Raptors uni. does he still block shots? lol

BALLER R
12-22-2014, 11:47 PM
Denver and phx are our best chance to get a W on this trip.

Denver is good at home. And the suns could beat us too.

LanceUpperCut
12-22-2014, 11:48 PM
I mean who you going to get?? Monroe is the only one available...

True but right now it wouldn't take much to improve upfront.

Sanyo
12-22-2014, 11:48 PM
Josh Smith in a Raptors uni. does he still block shots? lol

locker room cancer don't need him

BALLER R
12-22-2014, 11:48 PM
I still think they will beat one of GS and Portland. Clippers can give them trouble but if they can hack a Jordan they may pull out a surprise win. Denver I think they will beat. Phoenix will be a tough one but winnable.

Let's see how it goes...

Actually I can't see them beating GS at all. Portland I think we can beat but we gotta be on our A game for 48 mins.

Pfeifer
12-22-2014, 11:53 PM
wtf happened tonight. I saw the score after three quarters and didn't look until after work. How did they give up 46pts? That's crazy.

canzano55
12-22-2014, 11:53 PM
This game was discouraging on an execution level.

I don't mind Rose going off because that's bound to happen but what I saw from Vasquez and Lou down the stretch bordered on sedition.

9/30 from behind the arc + giving the opposition over 30 free throw attempts...

bucketss
12-22-2014, 11:54 PM
lol we scored 36 in the 4th and we still got killed.

bucketss
12-22-2014, 11:55 PM
wtf happened tonight. I saw the score after three quarters and didn't look until after work. How did they give up 46pts? That's crazy.

rose started hitting everything, raps stopped playing defense, actually we didn't play any defense the whole game.

Sanyo
12-22-2014, 11:58 PM
Actually I can't see them beating GS at all. Portland I think we can beat but we gotta be on our A game for 48 mins.

Raps actually had GS number last year. Granted Raps have no Demar so it will be much harder but if either Curry or Thompson have a bad game and JV can be as good as he was today, they can win it. Not going to be likely, but possible to steal a win.

Clippers are having some issues right now, they have been in some really close games against some really bad teams and lost some of them, so the Raps if they run and gun could beat them.

They will beat Denver. Phoenix is a maybe. Portland will be very tough but they may somehow pull it off...

2-3 at this point will be fine.

Sanyo
12-22-2014, 11:59 PM
Bulls and Raps both played ****** defense in the fourth... Bulls just had a few more drop. Lowry also had 5 fouls so he had to play d much more carefully, i think that allowed rose to go off more than he might have had if Lowry had maybe 2-3 fouls...

Miltstar
12-23-2014, 12:04 AM
We lost our composure down the stretch, you could see the frustration setting in... and D-Rose absolutely caught fire

Raps Insider 12
12-23-2014, 12:08 AM
Thibs just punishing Butler with 44 minutes, wow !

Cavs and Chicago are still the top dogs in the East.

Rose when healthy is unstoppable and so is Lebron.

We have to stack up talent to at least increase our chances against them. We still have a need of a starting PF and that can be address in the offseason when Masai have better options.

Sanyo
12-23-2014, 12:11 AM
Thibs just punishing Butler with 44 minutes, wow !

Cavs and Chicago are still the top dogs in the East.

Rose when healthy is unstoppable and so is Lebron.

We have to stack up talent to at least increase our chances against them. We still have a need of a starting PF and that can be address in the offseason when Masai have better options.

Grab Monroe just for the season, trade Hayes and a pick...

Sanyo
12-23-2014, 12:15 AM
Also remember, the Raps playing without their all star and best scorer in Demar... gotta give the Raps some credit. When Demar comes back, then we will see how they truly do...

pulzar
12-23-2014, 12:15 AM
This was a game where we really needed Demar... when Bulls played great defense and started to shut us down, we needed somebody who could drive and get to the line, or a hit tough shot and get the troops going.

Still, you can't allow 49 points in a quarter, that's ridiculous. Bulls offense isn't that good.

Second game of back-to-back, tired legs, Bulls wore them down. Let's see what happens next...

bucketss
12-23-2014, 12:16 AM
we do need an upgrade at the 4, amir looks so wore down its actually kind of sad. hopefully he resigns cheap this year.

Sanyo
12-23-2014, 12:19 AM
Get Greg Monroe -- yes he has defensive issues but he is a strength on the offensive side and grabs you boards. Giving up hayes and 1st round pick is no big deal, especially when the pick will be 20th or above. Though since Josh Smith got waived, it may be a bit harder now since Monroe may decide to just stay with him gone...

Demar also needs to return. Demar may make some stupid shots, but the double team he receives sometimes spaces out the floor and this is why the Raps were so good to start the year. Man he would be the most useful on this trip sucks he is still hurt.

Sanyo
12-23-2014, 12:20 AM
we do need an upgrade at the 4, amir looks so wore down its actually kind of sad. hopefully he resigns cheap this year.

He will likely get the same $6 mil or so...no team is going to give him more than that anyways.

Raps Insider 12
12-23-2014, 12:22 AM
Grab Monroe just for the season, trade Hayes and a pick...

If it's a rental, Masai should call Ainge and inquire on the availability of Wright. He may turn out to be more of a "lease to own" for us. He may re-sign for a reasonable price. We can also retain Amir for the MLE and not renounce him.

JV/Amir
Wright/Patterson.

^ that's a decent big men rotation.

I don't like Monroe because he is more of a defensive liability but that's only my own opinion.

koreancabbage
12-23-2014, 01:00 AM
If it's a rental, Masai should call Ainge and inquire on the availability of Wright. He may turn out to be more of a "lease to own" for us. He may re-sign for a reasonable price. We can also retain Amir for the MLE and not renounce him.

JV/Amir
Wright/Patterson.

^ that's a decent big men rotation.

I don't like Monroe because he is more of a defensive liability but that's only my own opinion.

maybe they aren't giving up Wright since he was the main piece that came back.

Sadds The Gr8
12-23-2014, 01:24 AM
Get Greg Monroe -- yes he has defensive issues but he is a strength on the offensive side and grabs you boards. Giving up hayes and 1st round pick is no big deal, especially when the pick will be 20th or above. Though since Josh Smith got waived, it may be a bit harder now since Monroe may decide to just stay with him gone...

Demar also needs to return. Demar may make some stupid shots, but the double team he receives sometimes spaces out the floor and this is why the Raps were so good to start the year. Man he would be the most useful on this trip sucks he is still hurt.
Giving up a 1st for a rental is dumb

Raps Insider 12
12-23-2014, 01:31 AM
maybe they aren't giving up Wright since he was the main piece that came back.

Definitely a possibility but it won't hurt if Masai calls Ainge, after all that's how a bold move starts.

OT: Memphis struggled tonight against the Jazz. It takes two to tango and Gasol misses his partner in crime. If we ever get Marc athough I don't see it happening but if we do, then we may also have to find a ZBo to make that grand plan a success and that would be near to impossible and at the same time expensive.

We have a growing and improving Center in Val, he just need his ZBo.

72 Wins
12-23-2014, 01:32 AM
Granted I've only seen the Raptors play twice this year (against the Bulls), but why is Vasquez getting playing time? Man he sucks. I miss JJ. Wish we never got rid of him. :(

Raps Insider 12
12-23-2014, 01:34 AM
Granted I've only seen the Raptors play twice this year (against the Bulls), but why is Vasquez getting playing time? Man he sucks. I miss JJ. Wish we never got rid of him. :(

Casey is not Thibs. He actually has the conscience to rest Lowry and not allow him to play 44 minutes. Vasquez is the only back up PG of this team so he gets the minutes to relieve Kyle.

Raps Insider 12
12-23-2014, 01:37 AM
Noah/Mirotic
Pau/Taj Gibson

Vs.

3rd year Val/Hayes or Hans
Amir/Pat

What a huge disparity.

Definitely not sustainable in a 7 game series

GodsSon
12-23-2014, 01:46 AM
You're not going to win any game when the opponent scores 49 in the 4th.

The Bulls were driving to the rim at will.

bucketss
12-23-2014, 02:52 AM
Granted I've only seen the Raptors play twice this year (against the Bulls), but why is Vasquez getting playing time? Man he sucks. I miss JJ. Wish we never got rid of him. :(

vasquez did this when he first arrived last year as well, but as the season went on he picked it up and actually played really well even into the playoffs., hopefully it happens again.

R. Johnson#3
12-23-2014, 09:03 AM
Grab Monroe just for the season, trade Hayes and a pick...

People tend to forget that Greg Monroe plays absolutely atrocious defense. He'd be an upgrade on offense but he'd hurt us on D.

Canadian_5abi
12-23-2014, 09:16 AM
We should go for Taj Gibson...

koreancabbage
12-23-2014, 10:01 AM
People tend to forget that Greg Monroe plays absolutely atrocious defense. He'd be an upgrade on offense but he'd hurt us on D.

its a two sided argument though. the offense is perimeter based. Anytime a big man scores, it often is because the play is a PnR where the guard has to place the ball in the big man's hands for close range shot.

Monroe would be off our bench. His greatest weaknesses are probably weakside help and PnR defense. Dude is a big man though.

I didn't see any PnR help last night from any of our bigs in the 4th and adding that we couldn't score outside Lowry and Patterson exchanges for a stretch - whom both are perimeter based.

I don't see Monroe as being a bad backup vs our nobodies after Amir/Patterson/JV. He at least can score and at least being monster on one end of the floor.

We are definitely missing that one big who can play both sides of the court. That player may not be available to us. Brandon Wright won't solve our offense being too perimeter based. He might be okay on the defensive end but he's 28 and never average significant minutes (even last year when Chandler wasn't there and probably for a good reason - he's just not that good overall)

edit: he's 27.

Sly Guy
12-23-2014, 10:01 AM
didn't see the game, but those bulls are a bad matchup for us.

koreancabbage
12-23-2014, 10:04 AM
didn't see the game, but those bulls are a bad matchup for us.

agree. they start putting questions in the back of your mind - we were simply out gunned offensively from their two guards on 1v1 coverage. Lowry and Derozan might have to step down this year as #2 or 3 back court with the emergence of Butler.

I'm kinda scared of Butler, dude is becoming an offensive monster and still be considered one of the better defenders in this league. best two way guard and probably better than Derozan will ever be, frankly

koreancabbage
12-23-2014, 10:08 AM
Giving up a 1st for a rental is dumb

you won't say its dumb if a team like... Dallas or GSW do it. Thats a pretty bad blanket statement.

If Toronto was actually going for it all and the player fit, its not dumb at all.

Additionally, if you're going for a player like Gasol next and you are currently sitting at slightly no cap space, trading away the guaranteed contract seems like a (great) idea to get under even more because of the cap hold of the pick (if i'm not mistaken)

Sadds The Gr8
12-23-2014, 11:01 AM
you won't say its dumb if a team like... Dallas or GSW do it. Thats a pretty bad blanket statement.

If Toronto was actually going for it all and the player fit, its not dumb at all.

Additionally, if you're going for a player like Gasol next and you are currently sitting at slightly no cap space, trading away the guaranteed contract seems like a (great) idea to get under even more because of the cap hold of the pick (if i'm not mistaken)
The first can easily be traded down the road on draft night. Like I said before, we're going for Durant so I doubt we get Gasol.

And I already mentioned the player doesn't fit. The problem last night is the same problem I've had.....players strolling in the paint for easy layups on us. Monroe sure as **** doesn't help in solving that

Sadds The Gr8
12-23-2014, 11:07 AM
you won't say its dumb if a team like... Dallas or GSW do it. Thats a pretty bad blanket statement.

If Toronto was actually going for it all and the player fit, its not dumb at all.

Additionally, if you're going for a player like Gasol next and you are currently sitting at slightly no cap space, trading away the guaranteed contract seems like a (great) idea to get under even more because of the cap hold of the pick (if i'm not mistaken)
Also Dallas and gsw traded their 1sts for way better players than Monroe.... (Rondo and iggy)

72 Wins
12-23-2014, 11:55 AM
Casey is not Thibs. He actually has the conscience to rest Lowry and not allow him to play 44 minutes. Vasquez is the only back up PG of this team so he gets the minutes to relieve Kyle.

Our back up to Butler is Tony Snell. He's been playing like **** this year and Thibs would rather keep Butler on the floor longer instead of bringing in Tony. Not having a good wing off the bench is definitely something Bulls fans are worried about.

BALLER R
12-23-2014, 12:10 PM
agree. they start putting questions in the back of your mind - we were simply out gunned offensively from their two guards on 1v1 coverage. Lowry and Derozan might have to step down this year as #2 or 3 back court with the emergence of Butler.

I'm kinda scared of Butler, dude is becoming an offensive monster and still be considered one of the better defenders in this league. best two way guard and probably better than Derozan will ever be, frankly

Rose and Butler are definitely better than Demar and Kyle. Butler can lock Demar, And Kyle can't stop Rose. If rose is 100% healthy in the playoffs bull are going to the finals.

canzano55
12-23-2014, 12:17 PM
I bet the Bulls lose in D.C tonight - you can tell they prepared for us and consequently expended a lot of energy although we made it slightly easier for them in the 4th.

Jamiecballer
12-23-2014, 04:15 PM
Noah/Mirotic
Pau/Taj Gibson

Vs.

3rd year Val/Hayes or Hans
Amir/Pat

What a huge disparity.

Definitely not sustainable in a 7 game series

you are right. let's hope we don't end up facing them. that's the beauty of the postseason - you just have to be able to beat whoever you get matched up against.

Raps Insider 12
12-23-2014, 10:19 PM
Our back up to Butler is Tony Snell. He's been playing like **** this year and Thibs would rather keep Butler on the floor longer instead of bringing in Tony. Not having a good wing off the bench is definitely something Bulls fans are worried about.

As long as Rose is healthy, you guys don't need to worry about the regular season. I expect your team or the Cavs to represent the East.

Raps Insider 12
12-23-2014, 10:27 PM
you are right. let's hope we don't end up facing them. that's the beauty of the postseason - you just have to be able to beat whoever you get matched up against.

My dream end of season standings...

1. Raps
2. Chicago or Cleveland
3. Chicago or Cleveland
4. Atlanta
5. Washington

First round: 1 vs. 8 - Raps win the series and they play the 4th or 5th place winner in the 2nd round. Cavs or Bulls fight it out in the second round. Raps ECF against the Bulls or Cavs.

Dreaminnnn... :D.

LanceUpperCut
12-23-2014, 11:19 PM
Chicago is superior to us for sure right now, but I would really be concerned with the crazy minutes TT is putting on Butler and Gasol. Even with those heavy minutes I still think were too young and too thin upfront to ever deal with Chi in a 7 game series.

pulzar
12-24-2014, 01:27 AM
I bet the Bulls lose in D.C tonight - you can tell they prepared for us and consequently expended a lot of energy although we made it slightly easier for them in the 4th.

Didn't happen....

They are a good team. We'll see if they can stay healthy playing top players 44 minutes a game -- they might still crash and burn before the playoffs... but, for now, they are the best team in the East.

pulzar
12-24-2014, 01:29 AM
My dream end of season standings...

1. Raps
2. Chicago or Cleveland
3. Chicago or Cleveland
4. Atlanta
5. Washington

First round: 1 vs. 8 - Raps win the series and they play the 4th or 5th place winner in the 2nd round. Cavs or Bulls fight it out in the second round. Raps ECF against the Bulls or Cavs.

Dreaminnnn... :D.

Yeah, that'd be nice. However, we're likely to drop all the way down to 4th (or 5th, if not counting the division leadership) by the end of this road trip :(.

Sanyo
12-24-2014, 01:34 AM
Yeah, that'd be nice. However, we're likely to drop all the way down to 4th (or 5th, if not counting the division leadership) by the end of this road trip :(.

Well anything can happen -- GS is getting its *** kicked by the Lakers right now. Raps were projected 3rd, if they make that I'm happy -- baby steps...

canzano55
12-24-2014, 01:36 AM
I bet the Bulls lose in D.C tonight - you can tell they prepared for us and consequently expended a lot of energy although we made it slightly easier for them in the 4th.

Didn't happen....

They are a good team. We'll see if they can stay healthy playing top players 44 minutes a game -- they might still crash and burn before the playoffs... but, for now, they are the best team in the East.Do you think they're definitely better than Cleveland?

pulzar
12-24-2014, 01:37 AM
Well anything can happen -- GS is getting its *** kicked by the Lakers right now. Raps were projected 3rd, if they make that I'm happy -- baby steps...

It's what happens when you sit down Kobe. 6 players in double digits, 27 assists.

Yeah, I won't be unhappy, either, but I'll always wonder what could've been if Demar didn't get injured. We've had a lot of good luck with injuries for a long time, and it never really mattered much. The first year we're making some noise, and he goes down big time. :(

pulzar
12-24-2014, 01:44 AM
Do you think they're definitely better than Cleveland?

I think so -- if they can stay healthy. Lebron is the only position where they are superior, and Butler should be able to slow him down enough.

Both of their benches are really bad, except for Gibson, which is a big plus for Chicago. Butler doesn't have to defend both starters and backup players like he had to against Raptors.

Raps08-09 Champ
12-24-2014, 06:07 PM
I think so -- if they can stay healthy. Lebron is the only position where they are superior, and Butler should be able to slow him down enough.

Both of their benches are really bad, except for Gibson, which is a big plus for Chicago. Butler doesn't have to defend both starters and backup players like he had to against Raptors.

What about Love and Gasol?

Miltstar
12-25-2014, 02:13 AM
It's what happens when you sit down Kobe. 6 players in double digits, 27 assists.

Yeah, I won't be unhappy, either, but I'll always wonder what could've been if Demar didn't get injured. We've had a lot of good luck with injuries for a long time, and it never really mattered much. The first year we're making some noise, and he goes down big time. :(

Demar will be back soon, Just because they got the best of us twice doesn't necessarily mean they are 100% the better team. Still a lot of room for growth and development, trades etc... We've been right there with them 6/8 quarters but they have managed to pull away both games. They have more experience, but I wouldn't write us off just yet

pulzar
12-25-2014, 04:17 PM
What about Love and Gasol?

I don't think Love is superior. It's probably a wash, with Gasol being better down low and on D, and Love is a better shooter. Gasol is probably a bit better at this point (if he can stay healthy, again).