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black1605
12-22-2014, 12:54 PM
Breaking on Twitter.

Marc Stein:


The Detroit Pistons have just announced the release of Josh Smith. Stunning

https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/547071888732614657

black1605
12-22-2014, 12:55 PM
Stein:


The same Josh Smith, folks, who is owed $26 million over the next two seasons AFTER this one. Released by Stan Van Gundy just now


Would love to tell you I have a list handy of NBA players waived w/$26M (or more) left on their contracts. But you'll have to give us a sec

jon32
12-22-2014, 12:56 PM
Crazy.....owed 26m over the 2 yrs after this yr

dalton749
12-22-2014, 12:56 PM
Merry Christmas Detroit

D-Leethal
12-22-2014, 12:58 PM
What the hell?

lamzoka
12-22-2014, 01:00 PM
that's crazy. You just don't waive a player with that much $$$. Every player is tradable.

RLundi
12-22-2014, 01:00 PM
Released?? They couldn't find a way to just trade him instead of losing him for nothing?

I love SVG but this move is puzzling.

dalton749
12-22-2014, 01:01 PM
I doubt there was anyone willing to take On that contract going into the new tv deal. No amount of picks is worth that

RLundi
12-22-2014, 01:01 PM
My guess is he winds up in Houston...

QueensG_718
12-22-2014, 01:02 PM
He must of been a cancer in the locker room to want him gone asap instead of trying to trade him and not lose him for nothing

AnthonyTyrael2
12-22-2014, 01:04 PM
Man, wish I could be him. For the sake of the money.

rhymeratic
12-22-2014, 01:05 PM
I've always felt he would be a perfect pairing next to Melo. PLEASE Phil Jackson make this happen.

Calderon
Shumpert
Melo
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Stat

InRoseWeTrust
12-22-2014, 01:05 PM
Wow. Did not see that coming.

bucketss
12-22-2014, 01:05 PM
lol i bet he goes to cleveland.

Ty_Lawson
12-22-2014, 01:07 PM
lol i bet he goes to cleveland.

For 3$ a year....And he would still have more money coming to him this year than most of that team...

dodgersuck
12-22-2014, 01:08 PM
Surprised Hinkie didn't trade for him and get a second round pic k out of it lol

Ezio
12-22-2014, 01:08 PM
I can't even. Joe Johnson got moved how can you not move Smith? I get it one player is better than the other but still. I think SVG wanted more than teams were giving.

Bruno
12-22-2014, 01:08 PM
.. they couldn't trade him for an expiring and even a second rounder? damn nobody wants that contract on the books.


...they couldn't give a second rounder to another team for their expiring to take him off their hands? WOW.

GunFactor187
12-22-2014, 01:13 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6RoOwSKI7M

benzni
12-22-2014, 01:14 PM
Josh Smith and Brandon Jennings are the problems that Detroit has. That team has some great pieces but you have these two losers. Pistons ruined Josh Smith by moving his to SF last season. The guy just didn't seem to have any heart. Jennings is another chucker. Sucks for them. I would have picked them to make the playoffs each of the last two years.

Hawkeye15
12-22-2014, 01:18 PM
wait, they are on the hook for that $26 million, right?

This makes not much sense to me....

TheNumber37
12-22-2014, 01:18 PM
WHAT!?

This is turning into one of the strangest NBA seaon's ever.
They really couldn't get ANYTHING?

I could see the Lakers grabbing him for the rest of the year.


At this point, in his career, Josh would better serve as a great team coming off the bench.
He wouldn't be terrible playing in Houston off the bench. Same with OKC (only because of their strong minded people there, KD, West, Perk, Ibaka, they could tame him).
Jackson, Westbrook, KD, Josh Smith/Ibaka That's hard to score and get the rebound on. It's almost impossible to stop in transition

Baltoro
12-22-2014, 01:18 PM
Can't believe they couldn't get ANYTHING for him. He's been shopped since last season! Wow wow wow.

Baltoro
12-22-2014, 01:19 PM
Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA 18m 18 minutes ago

Pistons will use stretch provision on remaining $26 million of Josh Smith's contract, league source tells Yahoo. This gives some cap relief.

mjt20mik
12-22-2014, 01:20 PM
Lol

Baltoro
12-22-2014, 01:20 PM
Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA 9m 9 minutes ago

Detroit had opportunity to move Josh Smith to Sacramento for Carl Landry and Jason Thompson in summer, but passed on the offer.

Itown in Cali
12-22-2014, 01:20 PM
SVG is sending a signal in desperation to resign Monroe. Expect Monroe to be inserted back into the starting lineup as they try their hardest to make him happy and get him to resign, since they have his bird rights. If this doesn't work, SVG has made a huge mistake!

MonroeFAN
12-22-2014, 01:20 PM
wait, they are on the hook for that $26 million, right?

This makes not much sense to me....


Nope.

"This move actually saves the Pistons 16.8 million over the next 2 seasons or 8.4 million a season.

The Pistons are a whopping 28 million under the cap already for next year."

Wtf do we want with Jason Thompson and Landry? I'd rather have nothing.

Spacolie716
12-22-2014, 01:20 PM
I don't think teams wanted to have to give anything up for a guy who shooting less than 50% from FT, under 40% from the field, and for someone who's known to not always get along with his teammates. Just basic economics. Not worth it.

akesh99
12-22-2014, 01:21 PM
Insane! Read they used the stretch provision over the next 7 years.. Crazy move but probably a good sign for Pistons fans that SVG has the stones to make bold moves in order to clean house

Baltoro
12-22-2014, 01:21 PM
^^^^^^^ thats bonkers^^^^

They had Carl Landry and Jason Thompson on the table for Smith and Detroit passed on it. Wow.

torocan
12-22-2014, 01:21 PM
Wow, this is a shocking development.

It's a bit unreal that they would waive someone with so much salary left on the books, but you gotta think that SVG has a plan.

Looking at the bottom feeders, who's going to grab Smith? It's going to be interesting as most of the bottom feeders are tanking...

GunFactor187
12-22-2014, 01:22 PM
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2-ONE-5
12-22-2014, 01:23 PM
does this count against the cap for the rest of his deal? If not maybe use the money to try and keep Monroe?

black1605
12-22-2014, 01:23 PM
I don't want him, but I wouldn't be shocked if Charlotte at least considered signing him for cheap. It would be an absolute dumpster fire.

Kemba
Lance
MKG
Smith
Al

MonroeFAN
12-22-2014, 01:25 PM
^^^^^^^ thats bonkers^^^^

They had Carl Landry and Jason Thompson on the table for Smith and Detroit passed on it. Wow.

You are either not understanding the clause in which we released him under, or are not listening. No one wants Jason Thompson and Carl Landry, and we are saving money by releasing Smith.

robdesign13
12-22-2014, 01:25 PM
If Bargnani was tradeable, Josh Smith is tradable. Im shocked.

Raps18-19 Champ
12-22-2014, 01:25 PM
I wouldn't trade for him either.

Itown in Cali
12-22-2014, 01:26 PM
The more I think about it the more it makes sense. If SVG really believed he was hurting the team more than helping, then why not do it? They still have plenty of cap space. Detroit doesn't really bring in big name FAs anyway. Now they can focus on their future and try and convince Monroe to stay by improving the team and winning some games.

Itown in Cali
12-22-2014, 01:27 PM
If Bargnani was tradeable, Josh Smith is tradable. Im shocked.

You essentially have it right. Bargs wasn't tradeable and we (the knicks) still gave up a 1st. SMH...

goingfor28
12-22-2014, 01:28 PM
Loooool

akesh99
12-22-2014, 01:30 PM
You are either not understanding the clause in which we released him under, or are not listening. No one wants Jason Thompson and Carl Landry, and we are saving money by releasing Smith.

How do you guys save money? Aren't they just releasing him and stretching his salary over more years?

MonroeFAN
12-22-2014, 01:31 PM
I don't see what is funny about this (especially to NY fans). We have a GM who has a vision of what he wants our future to look like. If you can't trade him, you move on. We didn't eat all of his salary and we didn't want to turn 1 useless bum into 2.

Makes perfect sense to me.

TheNumber37
12-22-2014, 01:31 PM
Josh Smith wins.

He gets a check from Detroit for til he's 36 or 37 years old.
Also, he can and should sign a one year deal with a team to the tune of vet min to 5 mil.
Increase his value and then sign a 3 year deal this Summer.

He could be solid off the Clippers bench, Doc and Paul could help

GunFactor187
12-22-2014, 01:32 PM
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MonroeFAN
12-22-2014, 01:32 PM
How do you guys save money? Aren't they just releasing him and stretching his salary over more years?

Our owner is not saving money, but this move will clear up 8+ million in salary cap space or so is my understanding.

I suppose we're just shifting money around. But in terms of short term cap space I think it's a pretty solid move.

mightybosstone
12-22-2014, 01:32 PM
I'm not that shocked by this move at all, and I applaud Detroit for having the stones to finally do something about him. Smoove has had the worst shot selection in the league for years now, and he's having one of the worst seasons I've ever seen a former star player have in the history of the NBA.

I am slightly surprised that they couldn't convince one of the many poorly managed teams in the league to trade something for him, but I suppose even the truly inept front offices didn't want that contract on the books. Now the question is "Where does he end up?" If I'm a contender, I want no part of him unless he's willing to sign for dirt cheap and play a role as a backup. Smith should be starting under no circumstances on any contender in the league. Or does he chase more money and sign a decent contract with a cellar dweller where he'll get more minutes?

This is a fascinating way to start out the week, though. I'm very intrigued to see where this thing goes in the next few days.

TheNumber37
12-22-2014, 01:34 PM
Watch the KINGS owner demand him, HA!

Baltoro
12-22-2014, 01:35 PM
You are either not understanding the clause in which we released him under, or are not listening. No one wants Jason Thompson and Carl Landry, and we are saving money by releasing Smith.

What about my posted indicated ANYTHING about me not understanding the clause? And not listening? Come on, man.

TheNumber37
12-22-2014, 01:37 PM
The Stretch provision is over 5 years. SO Smith collects 5.4 mil per year from the Pistons til he's 34.
Going forward he can the afford to sign for under 10 mil a year with a team this summer.

MonroeFAN
12-22-2014, 01:37 PM
What about my posted indicated ANYTHING about me not understanding the clause? And not listening? Come on, man.

Fair enough, I'm sorry. However, your comment of "they had such and such on the table" is not relevant IMO. We didn't need to turn one useless player into two. Those players don't match SVG's style. So I don't see how this is any worse, from a fan stand point.

mightybosstone
12-22-2014, 01:42 PM
The Stretch provision is over 5 years. SO Smith collects 5.4 mil per year from the Pistons til he's 34.
Going forward he can the afford to sign for under 10 mil a year with a team this summer.

$10 million? For Josh Smith? I wouldn't pay $5 million for him right now. If a team offers him anything close to $10 million, he should immediately sign on the dotted line without even looking at which team offered the pay day.

kdspurman
12-22-2014, 01:48 PM
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 1m1 minute ago
Houston has an interest in signing Josh Smith, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

Knick_Fever
12-22-2014, 01:50 PM
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 1m1 minute ago
Houston has an interest in signing Josh Smith, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

Big mistake.

Knick_Fever
12-22-2014, 01:51 PM
Jake Fischer @JakeLFischer
"Had heard from a Pistons front office member that Detroit daily pursued Josh Smith trades with all 29 other NBA teams. Zero were interested."

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2307828-josh-smith-released-by-pistons-latest-details-comments-and-reaction

arlubas
12-22-2014, 01:54 PM
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 1m1 minute ago
Houston has an interest in signing Josh Smith, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.
This is probably Dwight telling the Rockets he can manage him. They were AAU teammates back in Atlanta, for those that don't know/remember.

Baltoro
12-22-2014, 01:55 PM
Fair enough, I'm sorry. However, your comment of "they had such and such on the table" is not relevant IMO. We didn't need to turn one useless player into two. Those players don't match SVG's style. So I don't see how this is any worse, from a fan stand point.

Its all love, bruh. Just for clarity, those posts I made, specifically the one about the deal on the table and in terms of relevancy, were via Wojnarowski's twitter feed. Meant to show the plight of his trade value more than anything I would say. Surprising they turned down assets (albeit small) and went with this route.

Hawkeye15
12-22-2014, 01:57 PM
Nope.

"This move actually saves the Pistons 16.8 million over the next 2 seasons or 8.4 million a season.

The Pistons are a whopping 28 million under the cap already for next year."

Wtf do we want with Jason Thompson and Landry? I'd rather have nothing.


gotcha

Stinkyoutsider
12-22-2014, 01:57 PM
Shocking move but I don't mind it. Not sure how valuable Josh Smith is right now but I can't imagine anyone giving up picks for him with that contract (length and $).

Now, the Pistons have to worry about dead money and trying to get Monroe back if they have the mind to? Seems like there's more work to do.

Goose17
12-22-2014, 01:57 PM
LOLOL ... first Sac town goes into full derp mode now the Pistons pay a guy 26 million to stay away from their team.

I love the nba.

MonroeFAN
12-22-2014, 02:00 PM
gotcha

I spoke too soon (in a way). It stretches the remaining money on his contract over 5 years, so technically we only save year to year cap space. He will still be paid the full contract amount.

LanceUpperCut
12-22-2014, 02:00 PM
So they save money the first two years but in the long run it hurts them?

kingkenny01
12-22-2014, 02:01 PM
Cavs could be an interested team, they have been looking for a rim protector

Kyben36
12-22-2014, 02:01 PM
I cant beleive they could not get a team like the kings to take him. he will be a hot comodity on the market though for a contender.

MonroeFAN
12-22-2014, 02:01 PM
Its all love, bruh. Just for clarity, those posts I made, specifically the one about the deal on the table and in terms of relevancy, were via Wojnarowski's twitter feed. Meant to show the plight of his trade value more than anything I would say. Surprising they turned down assets (albeit small) and went with this route.

I think the improvement in chemistry and shot selection (by removing him) are the best assets we could have possibly landed from a Smith move.

likemystylez
12-22-2014, 02:01 PM
LOL, I guess its gonna be tough to get monroe now.. haha

smith&wesson
12-22-2014, 02:04 PM
Teams like the Kings, Rockets, even Lakers make sense for him.

bleedprple&gold
12-22-2014, 02:05 PM
They couldnt just bench him for now and then try to trade him later when he's owed less money? Or if you're going to release him at least wait until the offseason when the extra salary cap space can be used. It makes zero sense to do this now.

theducksmuggler
12-22-2014, 02:06 PM
Well he was put on Waivers so he could still be traded but this is a very interesting move but i think in the long run is gonna help the Pistons...i dont think Drummond and Monroe enjoyed playing with him at all...Monroe and Drummond are about to blossom and go off together they shouldnt of ever signed Smith anyway!

MonroeFAN
12-22-2014, 02:07 PM
They couldnt just bench him for now and then try to trade him later when he's owed less money? Or if you're going to release him at least wait until the offseason when the extra salary cap space can be used. It makes zero sense to do this now.

He was bringing our team down man. It makes a lot of sense. It's unfortunate that contracts are guaranteed in this sport, because things like this happen all the time in football and no one thinks twice about it. He would suck the life out of our locker room if he had to sit on the bench.

abe_froman
12-22-2014, 02:07 PM
kings will go hard at him

Goose17
12-22-2014, 02:08 PM
He could just sign with Cleveland or another contender for the minimum. Make more money than he was before (26 mil owed plus league minimum) AND maybe win a title.

That's ridiculous. I know it won't happen but damn...

bleedprple&gold
12-22-2014, 02:18 PM
So they save money the first two years but in the long run it hurts them?

That's correct. The $28 mil he's owed after this season gets stretched out over 5 years at a rate of $5.6 mil per year. So the next two years it saves $14m (what his salary would have been) - $5.6m = $8.4 mil in salary cap space for years 1 and 2, but for years 3, 4, 5 when his contract would have been off the books they will be paying him $5.6m which counts against the salary cap. In other words, it saves no actual money because he gets paid his full contract, but it saves salary cap space for 2 years by spreading his full salary amount out over 5 years, and for the last 3 out of those 5 years they will still be paying him when otherwise they would have been paying him nothing.

colinskik
12-22-2014, 02:25 PM
So how does the whole waiver process work again? Time and money wise?

MILLERHIGHLIFE
12-22-2014, 02:29 PM
So they save money the first two years but in the long run it hurts them? Technically yeah. Well 2 years left and $26M. But stretched over 5 years that's three years of the average prorated. But with new t.v. deal on the horizon Smith will be long forgotten. Still shocked they didn't do junk for junk trade. Oh well.

JLynn943
12-22-2014, 02:31 PM
kings will go hard at him

most likely...

FOBolous
12-22-2014, 02:33 PM
https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/547094410467770370

http://thumbnails109.imagebam.com/37498/14b647374979825.jpg (http://www.imagebam.com/image/14b647374979825)

:rock::dance2::cheer:

Vinylman
12-22-2014, 02:35 PM
Wow... Houston is gonna get this dude for nothing

Philly should just claim him to get another second rounder

LionsFan..LOL
12-22-2014, 02:36 PM
The last tie to Joe D's terrible free agent signings is now BJ. Find a way to get rid of him and finally start the rebuilding process that hopefully will once again put a product on the court worth watching.

kduce
12-22-2014, 02:37 PM
As a Pistons fan we ended up losing our 1st rounder this year from trading Ben Gordon and getting rid of him. SVG didn't want to give away another pick or bring back players that we don't need. This is the best move for Smoove and for the Pistons. The only reason there wasn't interest for him was the price of his contract. If you look at Josh's stats he hasn't been as horrible as some might think. He hasn't been good offensively, but he still is out there getting assists and can hustle on defense. The team is just bad right now and it is making a lot of the players look even worse then they actually are because of bad chemistry. If the RIGHT team signs him to a decent contract he can really help them. SVG wants to concentrate on the young guys who have been starting to play pretty decent lately like Drummond and KCP. This gives more minutes to some of our other young players too so we can see what we have. I like this move.

mightybosstone
12-22-2014, 02:38 PM
Dammit... I really don't know how I feel about this, but it looks like the Rockets could be serious front runners to get him...


Jonathan Feigen @Jonathan_Feigen about 40 minutes ago
Told that yes, the Rockets would be interested in Josh Smith after he clears waivers. Were interested in '13.

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA about 9 minutes ago
Houston has advantage on most Josh Smith suitors, who only have minimum slots available: Rockets can offer Smith its bi-annual exception.

Jonathan Feigen @Jonathan_Feigen about 7 minutes ago
Rockets would offer Smith their bi-annual exception, worth $2.077 mil, source said. Would come w good role, good team, good friend (Dwight).

FOBolous
12-22-2014, 02:39 PM
As a Pistons fan we ended up losing our 1st rounder this year from trading Ben Gordon and getting rid of him. SVG didn't want to give away another pick or bring back players that we don't need. This is the best move for Smoove and for the Pistons. The only reason there wasn't interest for him was the price of his contract. If you look at Josh's stats he hasn't been as horrible as some might think. He hasn't been good offensively, but he still is out there getting assists and can hustle on defense. The team is just bad right now and it is making a lot of the players look even worse then they actually are because of bad chemistry. If the RIGHT team signs him to a decent contract he can really help them. SVG wants to concentrate on the young guys who have been starting to play pretty decent lately like Drummond and KCP. This gives more minutes to some of our other young players too so we can see what we have. I like this move.

that's what i think too. plus it's hard to stay motivated on a losing team (no offense). plus it's not like he's been ineffecient his whole career. this is a very recent development.

Goose17
12-22-2014, 02:39 PM
LOL... I hope Houston get him. One less contender in the West. He'll **** it all up for them.

Badluck33
12-22-2014, 02:40 PM
Worst contract in NBA right now.

Amare isn't any more as he is in the last year of his contract...

MILLERHIGHLIFE
12-22-2014, 02:43 PM
Hope the Bucks don't get desperate and pick him off of waivers since Parker is done for the year. Bucks old owner wanted him from the Hawks when he was a expiring contract.

bleedprple&gold
12-22-2014, 02:44 PM
Wow... Houston is gonna get this dude for nothing

Philly should just claim him to get another second rounder

How is Philly going get a second rounder by claiming him?

kduce
12-22-2014, 02:46 PM
that's what i think too. plus it's hard to stay motivated on a losing team (no offense). plus it's not like he's been ineffecient his whole career. this is a very recent development.

Bro... we have been bad for 6 years now lol never any offense taken, but I appreciate you throwing that in there, real talk. I don't mind people sayin we are bad, I just hate when people talk **** based on what they hear and not actually watch any games ya know?

I wish Smoove the best, he never should have signed here to begin with it was a bad fit. Hopefully he is getting away from us quick enough where he can get his confidence back up and can bounce back. There is no way he regressed that bad that quickly going from ATL to DET. I guess we will see tho, but I expect big things out of him if he finds the right fit.

FOBolous
12-22-2014, 02:49 PM
Bro... we have been bad for 6 years now lol never any offense taken, but I appreciate you throwing that in there, real talk. I don't mind people sayin we are bad, I just hate when people talk **** based on what they hear and not actually watch any games ya know?

I wish Smoove the best, he never should have signed here to begin with it was a bad fit. Hopefully he is getting away from us quick enough where he can get his confidence back up and can bounce back. There is no way he regressed that bad that quickly going from ATL to DET. I guess we will see tho, but I expect big things out of him if he finds the right fit.

:nod:

jimm120
12-22-2014, 02:50 PM
Considering he's on the books until 2017, I'm surprised.

This shows that Stan did not want to give up any assets to get him.

I still think he could have traded it for another "toxic" contract.

jimm120
12-22-2014, 02:51 PM
As long as Josh Smith is told that he can't shoot from the 3 point line or a long 2 (only from inside or very close to the rim), he'd be ok.

kduce
12-22-2014, 02:54 PM
Considering he's on the books until 2017, I'm surprised.

This shows that Stan did not want to give up any assets to get him.

I still think he could have traded it for another "toxic" contract.

Why would we sign for another toxic contract if we don't have to? If our owner wants to pay Josh to leave i'm all for it. We are rebuilding, but have some young pieces that need to start winning if we want to hold on to them. This will give the Pistons 28 million in cap space for the off season and it spaces out our crowded floor all at the same time. Maybe we use that money to resign Monroe and then a stretch SF, but even if Moose doesn't stay that just gives us more money. This speeds up the rebuild and gives us more more minutes for some of our young guys to see what we have.

mightybosstone
12-22-2014, 02:54 PM
Ugh.....I can't believe myself right now. I've talked constant **** about Smoove for the last 2-3 years and screamed about how much I didn't want him in Houston. Now I'm starting to talk myself into it. He can improve his shot selection, right? Right?

MTar786
12-22-2014, 02:56 PM
if he goes to the cavs i will laugh. he is just what they need.
i think the thunder would be a great place for him too.
the only problem with smith is that he shoots too much.

MonroeFAN
12-22-2014, 02:56 PM
^wrong.

Re : shot selection.

kduce
12-22-2014, 02:57 PM
Ugh.....I can't believe myself right now. I've talked constant **** about Smoove for the last 2-3 years and screamed about how much I didn't want him in Houston. Now I'm starting myself into it. He can improve his shot selection, right? Right?

He has taken questionable shots here and there, but I will give him credit for trying to take better shots. He is taking far less 3s and long 2s this year. Lately he is racking up at least 5 assists per game and a few blocks. I am not saying you want him necessarily, but he is not completely useless that a lot of people would have you to believe.

bucketss
12-22-2014, 03:01 PM
i guess that means they will keep monroe

Arch Stanton
12-22-2014, 03:03 PM
if he goes to the cavs i will laugh. he is just what they need.
i think the thunder would be a great place for him too.
the only problem with smith is that he shoots too much.

I don't know why people think he's going to the Cavs. He's not what they need at all. Someone earlier said he was a rim protector... I think they mixed up chucker with rim protector. I hope the Cavs are smart enough to stay away.

HoopsDrive
12-22-2014, 03:04 PM
He's not a bad option for a glue guy if you can get him for cheap. Limit his shots and if he accepts his role he can be quite useful to some teams.

MILLERHIGHLIFE
12-22-2014, 03:09 PM
Wooo that was a close one. $9.2M left on his $14M contract for remainder of the season of 54 games left. Since he played 28. Bucks only have $7.3M. Glad we didn't have a chance to do something stupid. 76ers only team that can pick him off of waivers.

Crackadalic
12-22-2014, 03:11 PM
Ugh.....I can't believe myself right now. I've talked constant **** about Smoove for the last 2-3 years and screamed about how much I didn't want him in Houston. Now I'm starting to talk myself into it. He can improve his shot selection, right? Right?

Look at it this way. If he doesn't work out just waive him again or trade him

mightybosstone
12-22-2014, 03:15 PM
Wooo that was a close one. $9.2M left on his $14M contract for remainder of the season of 54 games left. Since he played 28. Bucks only have $7.3M. Glad we didn't have a chance to do something stupid. 76ers only team that can pick him off of waivers.

Yeah, and there's not a chance in hell that Hinkie will pick him up. He's definitely going to clear waivers.

xnick5757
12-22-2014, 03:22 PM
finally

one of the worst players in the nba

flea
12-22-2014, 03:23 PM
Lol Sportscenter was on while I was eating lunch and some moron was criticizing SVG for only taking that pitiful roster to 5 wins so far and then releasing Smith. I think it's the best thing for the team, and that was before I knew they were going to save money by making him go away. Let's take a look at what SVG has had to work with and then consider whether this moron on ESPN really thinks he could win much more than 15-20 this season:

Jennings=useless, could be a decent 6th man scorer but he might even be too dumb for that. Can't defend, distribute, and has questionable shot selection and a streaky jumpshot.

Singler=should be a 7th or 8th player in a rotation. Smart and can shoot, but that's it.

Drummond=still raw, but he's close to being above average for his position. But you can't run plays for him, he's not a rim protector, and he can't pass. Much promise, but by my count he's probably not even the 10th best center in the Eastern Conference. For me he's about the 19th-21st best starting center in the league (but obviously huge upside).

KCP=solid for a young 3 and D, but not great at either 3 or D yet.

Monroe=can't defend well at all and only a mediocre rebounder. Poor man's Al Jefferson. I wouldn't hate bringing him back for $15 million a season, but he's going to make more than that and I just don't see it from a player with so many weaknesses.

Smith=utter trash. The best thing you can say about him is that he is good enough at defending smaller players. Won't protect the rim, won't rebound his position if he's your PF, won't help you with his passing, won't make good decisions on the court, and even though he's been a dog **** shooter his whole career he still takes more than 1/3 of his shot attempts from beyond 16 feet the last few years.

Bench=who cares because they aren't even good enough to displace this group

I don't see how you can blame SVG's coaching at all for this mess. He's working to correct it, so props to him. I feel bad for the team that picks up Smith unless they plan on playing him 20 minutes or less.

MILLERHIGHLIFE
12-22-2014, 03:25 PM
This could be a common thing in the NBA soon enough with stretch provision. Wait till the new tv deal is here. Plenty of bad contracts be tossed around. Bad enough this summer was bad contracts as well.

Vinylman
12-22-2014, 03:28 PM
How is Philly going get a second rounder by claiming him?

claiming and then flipping him... they can take another bad contract back for him because of the cap space they have.... there are plenty of bad deals out there...

Vinylman
12-22-2014, 03:30 PM
Wooo that was a close one. $9.2M left on his $14M contract for remainder of the season of 54 games left. Since he played 28. Bucks only have $7.3M. Glad we didn't have a chance to do something stupid. 76ers only team that can pick him off of waivers.

that isn't how the cap works... your cap number is not prorated when it comes to trades... the receiving team gets the entire cap hit for the year.

xnick5757
12-22-2014, 03:31 PM
Ugh.....I can't believe myself right now. I've talked constant **** about Smoove for the last 2-3 years and screamed about how much I didn't want him in Houston. Now I'm starting to talk myself into it. He can improve his shot selection, right? Right?

he'd probably be ok in Houston so long as he doesn't shoot.

Sadds The Gr8
12-22-2014, 03:32 PM
I've always felt he would be a perfect pairing next to Melo. PLEASE Phil Jackson make this happen.

Calderon
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[emoji23] As a raptor fan I pray this happens

Mr.B
12-22-2014, 03:33 PM
Eddie Sefko (@ESefko)
12/22/14, 1:00 PM
Source: Mavericks have a level of interest in Josh Smith when he clears waivers. Details on the blog.

Houston can offer more money but Dallas is just as good a fit. He would come off the bench for Dallas and if they can also convince J. O'Neal to sign would have an extremely deep bench again. Mavs also have to perfect guy to pitch Smith the benefits of signing in Dallas (Rondo). They have 1 open roster spot so would need to clear another one to make room for both guys.

rockets-fan
12-22-2014, 03:35 PM
Eddie Sefko (@ESefko)
12/22/14, 1:00 PM
Source: Mavericks have a level of interest in Josh Smith when he clears waivers. Details on the blog.

Houston can offer more money but Dallas is just as good a fit. He would come off the bench for Dallas and if they can also convince J. O'Neal to sign would have an extremely deep bench again. Mavs also have to perfect guy to pitch Smith the benefits of signing in Dallas (Rondo). They have 1 open roster spot so would need to clear another one to make room for both guys.

So to dallad with Rondo or Houston with Howard....

Either way I think both teams tame him and get better

bucketss
12-22-2014, 03:36 PM
[emoji23] As a raptor fan I pray this happens

loooooooool

MILLERHIGHLIFE
12-22-2014, 03:41 PM
claiming and then flipping him... they can take another bad contract back for him because of the cap space they have.... there are plenty of bad deals out there... I believe he couldn't be re-flipped till three months later. That's in the trade rules. By then trade deadline would have passed.

NYKnickFanatic
12-22-2014, 03:42 PM
Spurs should pick him up. Pop would set him straight.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
12-22-2014, 03:42 PM
lmfao.

Is this real life?

NYKnickFanatic
12-22-2014, 03:43 PM
[emoji23] As a raptor fan I pray this happens

As do I. Help us collect some more L's!

MILLERHIGHLIFE
12-22-2014, 03:43 PM
that isn't how the cap works... your cap number is not prorated when it comes to trades... the receiving team gets the entire cap hit for the year. Its not a trade. Its waiver wire. A team doesn't pay a full season when he already played 28 games. Its a proration. You could be right but doesn't seem right.

Mr.B
12-22-2014, 03:43 PM
So to dallad with Rondo or Houston with Howard....

Either way I think both teams tame him and get better

Agreed, Houston has the edge though because they can offer more money. Although with what he's still getting paid by Detroit he may take money out of the equation. Either way I think it will come down to Houston or Dallas. The race for the Southwest Division is going to be sick!

Nycbball08
12-22-2014, 03:44 PM
I've always felt he would be a perfect pairing next to Melo. PLEASE Phil Jackson make this happen.

Calderon
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Melo
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Please Phil "DONT"

Kicks For Grits
12-22-2014, 03:46 PM
NY Knicks, where all the superstars go....

bleedprple&gold
12-22-2014, 03:46 PM
claiming and then flipping him... they can take another bad contract back for him because of the cap space they have.... there are plenty of bad deals out there...

I'm guessing Detroit already tried to do that. Too risky to claim him and that contract if then you are unable to trade him then you are stuck. The extra cap space would help, but Philly would only flip him for an expiring anyway and then the new team is stuck with a worse contract (the whole problem in the first place).

rocket
12-22-2014, 03:48 PM
As long as Josh Smith is told that he can't shoot from the 3 point line or a long 2 (only from inside or very close to the rim), he'd be ok.


Ugh.....I can't believe myself right now. I've talked constant **** about Smoove for the last 2-3 years and screamed about how much I didn't want him in Houston. Now I'm starting to talk myself into it. He can improve his shot selection, right? Right?


He's not a bad option for a glue guy if you can get him for cheap. Limit his shots and if he accepts his role he can be quite useful to some teams.

:laugh:

mightybosstone
12-22-2014, 03:52 PM
Eddie Sefko (@ESefko)
12/22/14, 1:00 PM
Source: Mavericks have a level of interest in Josh Smith when he clears waivers. Details on the blog.

Houston can offer more money but Dallas is just as good a fit. He would come off the bench for Dallas and if they can also convince J. O'Neal to sign would have an extremely deep bench again. Mavs also have to perfect guy to pitch Smith the benefits of signing in Dallas (Rondo). They have 1 open roster spot so would need to clear another one to make room for both guys.

I think you're wrong about fit. The Rockets could feasibly offer Smith the starting PF spot whereas Dallas can only offer him bench minutes behind Dirk and Parsons. I'm not necessarily crazy about that idea, but it could be a real possibility. That would also free up D-Mo to split time as the main backup C option (where he's probably a better fit) while still getting a few minutes at PF next to Dwight.

FOBolous
12-22-2014, 03:52 PM
Agreed, Houston has the edge though because they can offer more money. Although with what he's still getting paid by Detroit he may take money out of the equation. Either way I think it will come down to Houston or Dallas. The race for the Southwest Division is going to be sick!

Both Houston and Dallas are good choices for him. Both are winning, championship contending teams and both offers him a good fit. I may be bias as a Houston fan but i think Houston is a better situation for him due to the fact that he'll have a bigger role. in Dallas, he'll be coming off the bench behind Dirk, Parsons, and Chandler. Houston, thought, has a massive need at the 4. he will probably be starting until Terrance Jones come back. and when Jones is back, he'll have a pretty good chance of competing for the starting spot against him. plus houston can offer him more money.

FOBolous
12-22-2014, 03:55 PM
fun fact: Dwight Howard was the best man at Josh Smith's wedding

http://straightfromthea.com/2010/08/03/inside-josh-smiths-atlanta-hawks-wedding-photos/

:D

bleedprple&gold
12-22-2014, 04:03 PM
I think you're wrong about fit. The Rockets could feasibly offer Smith the starting PF spot whereas Dallas can only offer him bench minutes behind Dirk and Parsons. I'm not necessarily crazy about that idea, but it could be a real possibility. That would also free up D-Mo to split time as the main backup C option (where he's probably a better fit) while still getting a few minutes at PF next to Dwight.

I agree he is most likely going to Houston. Can get the most money (among contenders), the most minutes (starting PF), and gets to be with his buddy Dwight so maybe he will be less of a cancer.

sixer04fan
12-22-2014, 04:03 PM
Any smart team should stay away. Contender or not. More likely than not Josh Smith will make your team worse.

This not about him being a cancer and needing to get his act together. He just doesn't fit well in a 5 on 5 setting. If you sign him, you'll probably regret it.

FOBolous
12-22-2014, 04:06 PM
Any smart team should stay away. Contender or not. More likely than not Josh Smith will make your team worse.

This not about him being a cancer and needing to get his act together. He just doesn't fit well in a 5 on 5 setting. If you sign him, you'll probably regret it.

why? because Josh Smith has been an inefficient loser and a cancer his whole career?

from what i can remember, the Hawk teams that Josh Smith were on was pretty good. not great but definitely winning playoff teams. he also was pretty efficient on those teams. he efficiency didn't nose dive until he became a Piston.

jmark
12-22-2014, 04:07 PM
Sick... Crazy Detriot. You're messed up.

DoMeFavors
12-22-2014, 04:14 PM
This was a HORRIBLE move by the Pistons

Before I start Mo Cheeks I feel bad you had to take a hit here

1. Josh Smith is a GREAT player and put in a situation with no floor spacing, Jennings shoots in the 30% change for career, Drummond and Monroe don't space the floor. So you have 3 guys who cant make shots and Brandon Jennings who cant hit anything consistently.
2. They should have released Brandon Jennings he is the worst player on Pistons.
3. Monroe shouldn't have been resigned that makes no sense at all, they made a commitment to Josh let him do his thing.
4. Wasting free agency money on Caron Butler, DJ Augistin, Jodie Meeks.

Whoever gets Josh Smith is getting a great player and Pistons fans and Stan are going to look at themselves in mirror and say "Wait we blamed that guy!"

Watch Josh Smith that's all I have to say Watch him!

Vinylman
12-22-2014, 04:25 PM
I believe he couldn't be re-flipped till three months later. That's in the trade rules. By then trade deadline would have passed.

I don't think so ... that rule applies to offseason FA signings

-Kobe24-TJ19-
12-22-2014, 04:26 PM
I've always felt he would be a perfect pairing next to Melo. PLEASE Phil Jackson make this happen.

Calderon
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with the first pick in the 2015 nba draft the NY Knicks select...

Vinylman
12-22-2014, 04:26 PM
Its not a trade. Its waiver wire. A team doesn't pay a full season when he already played 28 games. Its a proration. You could be right but doesn't seem right.

not talking pay.... talking cap hit ... two totally different animals

flea
12-22-2014, 04:29 PM
why? because Josh Smith has been an inefficient loser and a cancer his whole career?

from what i can remember, the Hawk teams that Josh Smith were on was pretty good. not great but definitely winning playoff teams. he also was pretty efficient on those teams. he efficiency didn't nose dive until he became a Piston.

I watched plenty of him in Atlanta - he was neither efficient nor a winning player. If you compare him to wings offensively, his best TS% was 54%, or in other words the worst efficiency Danny Granger ever put up until he fell off a cliff. It's sort of unfair to compare him to wings since he profiles as a PF and plays as one, but he's even worse in efficiency compared to them. Either way, he's been a bad offensive forward his whole career. If he's your 4th or 5th option on offense that's okay, but he is consistently 1st and 2nd options.

As far as winning, the Hawks teams weren't terrible some years but that was because of players not named Josh Smith. Before Horford got there in 07 they won 30 games and 26 games the 2 years prior (05/06 and 06/07). Once Horford got there they jumped to 37 and then in the 40s after Horford's first year, even winning 50 games. Horford is criminally underrated because he was next to chuckers, but he was the reason a Josh Smith/Joe Johnson led team went from 25-30 win trash to winning 50 games with largely the same roster. But this is more of an aside.

2-ONE-5
12-22-2014, 04:31 PM
This was a HORRIBLE move by the Pistons

Before I start Mo Cheeks I feel bad you had to take a hit here

1. Josh Smith is a GREAT player and put in a situation with no floor spacing, Jennings shoots in the 30% change for career, Drummond and Monroe don't space the floor. So you have 3 guys who cant make shots and Brandon Jennings who cant hit anything consistently.
2. They should have released Brandon Jennings he is the worst player on Pistons.
3. Monroe shouldn't have been resigned that makes no sense at all, they made a commitment to Josh let him do his thing.
4. Wasting free agency money on Caron Butler, DJ Augistin, Jodie Meeks.

Whoever gets Josh Smith is getting a great player and Pistons fans and Stan are going to look at themselves in mirror and say "Wait we blamed that guy!"

Watch Josh Smith that's all I have to say Watch him!

you need to stop using the word great when describing medicore players such as Smith and Williams

DoMeFavors
12-22-2014, 04:33 PM
you need to stop using the word great when describing medicore players such as Smith and Williams

Seems like all the contenders are looking to sign Josh Smith so I guess he is pretty good...

thomass
12-22-2014, 04:49 PM
Josh smith is the worst player in the nba. Dude is garbage. I had to put with *** for too long as a hawks fan. I think it'd be hilarious if Houston signs him.

bleedprple&gold
12-22-2014, 04:50 PM
Seems like all the contenders are looking to sign Josh Smith so I guess he is pretty good...

It's all relative. At $14M nobody wants him, but at $2M he's a steal.

Deception
12-22-2014, 04:50 PM
Seems like all the contenders are looking to sign Josh Smith so I guess he is pretty good...

Because he's not asked to be a number one or two option. Smith is there for his defense, without that, he probably would have no interest

ChitownSports16
12-22-2014, 04:53 PM
Whatever team he goes to, he's just making that team worst IMO.

Crackadalic
12-22-2014, 04:59 PM
Ira Winderman @IraHeatBeat 2 minutes ago
Heat among teams linked to waived Pistons forward Josh Smith, who suddenly is a free agent. bit.ly/1v9oOBV

With Mcroberts out for the year I can see this happening

JasonJohnHorn
12-22-2014, 05:12 PM
This is just bizarre.... I mean... even if they pulled a Charlie-V and just say him on the bench waiting for his contract to expire, then at least they would have had a tradable piece in 2016.

I can't believe that nobody would take him... I mean... just giving him away so that they don't have to pay it.... take back a second round pick... anything...

And last year they could have traded him to Charlotte for Ben Gordon's expiring, but the owner nixed it because it meant essentially giving Charlotte a pick to take on Gordon's last year, and then given them the free agent they signed with the cap money to take the contract back and still be out the first rounder.

That says something about him as a player on the court and in the locker room. I can see teams picking him up this year or next, but I get the feeling this is going to be like the JR Rider situation, where a perfectly healthy and talented player can't find a job in the league because of personality problems.

I frankly think that if the Pistons are willing to do this, that they might as well do the same with Jennings.


I love Joe D as a player, and though he was unfairly criticized as a GM considering all the good that he did, but that new owner put him in a position where he had to swing for the fences to keep his job and he struck out hard with the Jennings and Smith deals. That said, the coach Joe D picked with Phil Jackson did much better with this roster than SVG is doing.

lakerfan85
12-22-2014, 05:34 PM
Lakers need to sign him.. With him and Kobe chucking away they're bound to get a top 3 pick..

Mr. Baller
12-22-2014, 05:48 PM
Ira Winderman @IraHeatBeat 2 minutes ago
Heat among teams linked to waived Pistons forward Josh Smith, who suddenly is a free agent. bit.ly/1v9oOBV

With Mcroberts out for the year I can see this happening

Yup, would be a nice fit as much as it pains me to say. We need an athletic 4 who can trap pick and rolls and he is a good rebounder. He will be the 4th option on offense once Bosh is back.

Slug3
12-22-2014, 05:51 PM
Ira Winderman @IraHeatBeat 2 minutes ago
Heat among teams linked to waived Pistons forward Josh Smith, who suddenly is a free agent. bit.ly/1v9oOBV

With Mcroberts out for the year I can see this happening

I dont really want him on the Heat. Doesnt fit the mold of Spo wanting someone who can shoot. Also I think we only have like a 2.5 million injury exception to use (and not even sure if this was already granted to us).

IndyRealist
12-22-2014, 05:54 PM
Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA 18m 18 minutes ago

Pistons will use stretch provision on remaining $26 million of Josh Smith's contract, league source tells Yahoo. This gives some cap relief.

So instead of $26m/yr for the next 2 years, they're gonna be on the hook for $10m/yr for 5 years?

Tony_Starks
12-22-2014, 05:59 PM
Wait, what?

king4day
12-22-2014, 06:02 PM
So instead of $26m/yr for the next 2 years, they're gonna be on the hook for $10m/yr for 5 years?

I imagine it's whatever is left on the contract (including for this year) divided by 5. Def not 10 mil per year though.
Sounds like they did this to have cap room. not to punish Josh. Basically atoning for a huge mistake Dumars made.

Shareeb_omac2
12-22-2014, 06:06 PM
Dallas wants him to play the Brandan Wright role. They would be asking Josh Smith to play backup center in smaller rotations and backup 4 when Dirk gets rest. All Wright did was cut to the basket or catch lobs and they feel they could turn him into a redeeming player and make him flourish in that spot. The problem is convincing him that a backup supporting role to win a championship is more important than starting on the Rockets (who would potentially be big contenders as well).

It won't be an easy task and I'm sure he would rather start on Houston next to Dwight.

Shareeb_omac2
12-22-2014, 06:08 PM
I also fear that if the Mavs sign him we will become the team that everyone hates on in spite of signing a bunch of big names.

Slug3
12-22-2014, 06:24 PM
I imagine it's whatever is left on the contract (including for this year) divided by 5. Def not 10 mil per year though.
Sounds like they did this to have cap room. not to punish Josh. Basically atoning for a huge mistake Dumars made.

I thought I heard that what he was owed this year they will still pay him, then the additional years at like 10 million or whatever it was. I dont have anything to back it up though as I just heard it.

jp611
12-22-2014, 06:30 PM
Rockets get him and I'm going to laugh my *** off. He's a terrible fit and makes them worse.

D-Mo>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Josh Smith.

lukass
12-22-2014, 06:36 PM
He will still get paid the exact same amount he would've made if he was still in Detroit, it will just be spread out different now, like a restructure in the NFL.

FOBolous
12-22-2014, 06:41 PM
I watched plenty of him in Atlanta - he was neither efficient nor a winning player. If you compare him to wings offensively, his best TS% was 54%, or in other words the worst efficiency Danny Granger ever put up until he fell off a cliff. It's sort of unfair to compare him to wings since he profiles as a PF and plays as one, but he's even worse in efficiency compared to them. Either way, he's been a bad offensive forward his whole career. If he's your 4th or 5th option on offense that's okay, but he is consistently 1st and 2nd options.

As far as winning, the Hawks teams weren't terrible some years but that was because of players not named Josh Smith. Before Horford got there in 07 they won 30 games and 26 games the 2 years prior (05/06 and 06/07). Once Horford got there they jumped to 37 and then in the 40s after Horford's first year, even winning 50 games. Horford is criminally underrated because he was next to chuckers, but he was the reason a Josh Smith/Joe Johnson led team went from 25-30 win trash to winning 50 games with largely the same roster. But this is more of an aside.

well if what you said is true and Atlanta could be that good with Smith next to Horford, the Rockets will be fine with him next to Dwight....especially considering Harden > Joe Johnson.

flea
12-22-2014, 06:59 PM
well if what you said is true and Atlanta could be that good with Smith next to Horford, the Rockets will be fine with him next to Dwight....especially considering Harden > Joe Johnson.

Uh you do know that Horford is one of the best shooting big men in the league, and probably the best shooting center (equally and probably better than Bosh) among starters. Dwight, let's just say, isn't. I don't see how Smith is even as efficient next to Dwight as he was Al, much less now that he's older.

The guy who got all the blame in Atlanta for how bad of a basketball player Josh Smith is (Marvin Williams) is a much better fit for Houston. Though truthfully, why do they need anyone at all if Terrence Jones isn't out for the year? What they have is better than Smith.

MonroeFAN
12-22-2014, 07:02 PM
D Mo is better than smith as well.

FOBolous
12-22-2014, 07:03 PM
Uh you do know that Horford is one of the best shooting big men in the league, and probably the best shooting center (equally and probably better than Bosh) among starters. Dwight, let's just say, isn't. I don't see how Smith is even as efficient next to Dwight as he was Al, much less now that he's older.

The guy who got all the blame in Atlanta for how bad of a basketball player Josh Smith is (Marvin Williams) is a much better fit for Houston. Though truthfully, why do they need anyone at all if Terrence Jones isn't out for the year? What they have is better than Smith.

did you remember how LaMarcus Aldridge obliterated the Rockets in the playoffs last year?

abe_froman
12-22-2014, 07:08 PM
weird seeing some posters all hyped up and salivating over josh smith....but alright,have fun with him on your team lol

flea
12-22-2014, 07:10 PM
did you see how LaMarcus Aldridge obliterated the Rockets in the playoffs last year?

What on earth do you think Smith is going to do about that? No coach is going to let him check one of the 2 or 3 best post players in the league. Your best hope for stopping the Dirks and Aldridges is already on your roster.

FOBolous
12-22-2014, 07:11 PM
What on earth do you think Smith is going to do about that? No coach is going to let him check one of the 2 or 3 best post players in the league. Your best hope for stopping the Dirks and Aldridges is already on your roster.

Aldridge did most of his damage from the midrange vs Houston in the playoffs last year. and who on Houston right now that the Rockets didn't have last year can check elite 4s like Aldridge? undersized Jones was abused and became a non factor. Neither Dwight nor Asik, who we don't have anymore, can keep up with Aldridge's speed. Montajunas failed also. Ariza doesn't even belong in the conversation of who can hold down elite 4s.

and i think Houston's lack of front-court depth may have something to do with why Houston wants Josh Smith also. I mean Tarik Black and Dorsey are great and all but....for 3 mil, Josh Smith is much better. If his shot selection doesn't improve and Houston plays worse on offense because of him, we'll simply replace him with Terrance Jones when Jones return from injury and we'll have the luxury of choosing between offense (Jones) and defense (Smith) depending on who we're playing against.

mark1125
12-22-2014, 07:23 PM
If there is any validity to the rumors, teams were wanting a 1st rd pick just to take him. This is Van Gundy cutting out one of Dumarrs MANY cluster**** deals.

Those scratching their heads saying "Can't believe they didn't trade him". I am quite sure they tried. Van Gundy can't be expected to mold the team in his vision if he is stuck clinging to Dumars stupid mistakes.

Goose17
12-22-2014, 07:39 PM
Lol... people actually want Josh Smith on their team? Just sign Bargnani and Biedrins while you're there. That's your big 3.

Howard_Zinn
12-22-2014, 07:53 PM
Great move by Detroit. With the salary cap set to increase soon, the extra 5 mil a year isn't significant at all. Addition by subtraction. Hopefully Jennings is gone soon too..

If SVG is serious about developing the youth, I'd like to see this starting 5 for the rest of the season -

Dinwiddie
Meeks
KCP
Monroe
Drummond

Yes please.

Anyone that is entertaining the idea of adding this guy - - - Buyer Beware. He is a cancer. Even at 2 mil a year.

Jamiecballer
12-22-2014, 07:58 PM
I would love to see the cavs get him

Howard_Zinn
12-22-2014, 07:59 PM
Also, do you really want people like Josh Smith around your younger players? Jennings fits that bill also.. Hopefully they trade Jennings because his contract is decent.

Howard_Zinn
12-22-2014, 08:01 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZhrwS5W2Xk

GoferKing_
12-22-2014, 08:04 PM
Watch Detriod overpay another overrated player next summer.xD

Howard_Zinn
12-22-2014, 08:06 PM
Detroit will have around 30 million in cap space this upcoming offseason. Without Dumars in control, this might be a quick turnaround.. Hopefully they can land some pieces that work.

Dade County
12-22-2014, 08:20 PM
Houston or Miami

dalton749
12-22-2014, 08:32 PM
Detroit will have around 30 million in cap space this upcoming offseason. Without Dumars in control, this might be a quick turnaround.. Hopefully they can land some pieces that work.

nobody will be lining up to play for them next year
theres much better options with cap space coming up

JasonJohnHorn
12-22-2014, 08:58 PM
Detroit will have around 30 million in cap space this upcoming offseason. Without Dumars in control, this might be a quick turnaround.. Hopefully they can land some pieces that work.

People are so harsh on Dumars. This wasn't entirely on him. This is a problem that EVERY small market team faces. They have to over-pay for mid-level talent because that is the only way they can get it.

People forget that Dumars put together a championship team. Letting Okur and Wallace go was Davidson not wanting to pay that much for two guys that play the same position, and then letting Chicago outbid for Wallace even when Wallace wanted to stay.

The Iverson trade was meant to clear cap space, but when all the free agents rebuffed Detroit, Gordon and Charlie-V were the only ones available... and Gordon was an established scorer, which Detroit needed, and Charlie-V had been coming along pretty well for a young guy (though I was never really a fan). Davidson essentially told Dumars that he didn't want the team to miss the playoffs and that he needed to bring in guys... those were the only guys that would come to Detroit.

The Smith deal was good on paper. If he were playing like he did in ATL, he'd be worth the money they paid him. There was no way to know that he was suddenly going to play worse than he had ever played when he is supposed to be in his prime.

The Jennings trade/signing was Dumars swinging for the fences when trying to save his job. He knew he was on a short leash and had to do something, so he had to take a chance.

If Dumars had been running LAL, or NY with the roster he had, he would have won more than one championship by now.

You try and get Wade, Kobe, LBJ or KD to sign with Detroit.... see how that works out for you. Even when Detroit was contending, Kobe vetoed a trade there.

When Dumars has free reign, he gets the job done. When owners micromanage, they screw up. The team did much better last year with Joe D's choice of coach than they are with the owner's current choice.

JasonJohnHorn
12-22-2014, 08:59 PM
Detroit will have around 30 million in cap space this upcoming offseason. Without Dumars in control, this might be a quick turnaround.. Hopefully they can land some pieces that work.



Half of that will go to Monroe is he stays.... it really only leaves room for one starter, or two rotation players.

JasonJohnHorn
12-22-2014, 09:01 PM
Uh you do know that Horford is one of the best shooting big men in the league, and probably the best shooting center (equally and probably better than Bosh) among starters. Dwight, let's just say, isn't. I don't see how Smith is even as efficient next to Dwight as he was Al, much less now that he's older.

The guy who got all the blame in Atlanta for how bad of a basketball player Josh Smith is (Marvin Williams) is a much better fit for Houston. Though truthfully, why do they need anyone at all if Terrence Jones isn't out for the year? What they have is better than Smith.

+1

On the offensive end, Horford is easily twice the scorer Dwight is, and SO much better than him when it comes to passing. Not even the same thing. Great point here.

JasonJohnHorn
12-22-2014, 09:08 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZhrwS5W2Xk

That was fawking funny. Thank you. If this was Reddit, I would upvote you.

IndyRealist
12-22-2014, 09:17 PM
I imagine it's whatever is left on the contract (including for this year) divided by 5. Def not 10 mil per year though.
Sounds like they did this to have cap room. not to punish Josh. Basically atoning for a huge mistake Dumars made.

He is owed $28m after this year. Stretch spreads out the cap hit over double the # of years plus 1. So I think it is $5.5m/yr over 5 years.

FOBolous
12-22-2014, 09:22 PM
+1

On the offensive end, Horford is easily twice the scorer Dwight is, and SO much better than him when it comes to passing. Not even the same thing. Great point here.

yea yea yea we get it. dwight howard sucks. he is overrated. all other decent centers in the league are better than him in every imaginable way.

Mr.B
12-22-2014, 09:38 PM
Dallas wants him to play the Brandan Wright role. They would be asking Josh Smith to play backup center in smaller rotations and backup 4 when Dirk gets rest. All Wright did was cut to the basket or catch lobs and they feel they could turn him into a redeeming player and make him flourish in that spot. The problem is convincing him that a backup supporting role to win a championship is more important than starting on the Rockets (who would potentially be big contenders as well).

It won't be an easy task and I'm sure he would rather start on Houston next to Dwight.

His shooting % would increase dramatically in that role which would help him get another contract next year. As a Mavs fan I'm not concerned with his play with the Pistons. The Mavs coaching and culture has a way of getting guys to take better shots. I also would still expect the Mavs to sign O'Neal even if they signed Smith. Personally though I think Smith goes to Houston.

Howard_Zinn
12-22-2014, 09:48 PM
That was fawking funny. Thank you. If this was Reddit, I would upvote you.

:cheers:

Blink
12-22-2014, 09:50 PM
Now Jennings is next.

But what team is looking for a PG? Lakers? Doubt it. Lin & Nash expiring might be used to lure a FA in '15 but maybe they are thinking about going for it in '16 and adding Jennings wouldnt affect that. Jennings is a better PG than Lin.

Kings going for Deron Williams but Nets don't want to give up Plumlee. If they want Jennings they can keep Collinson and prolly just cough up D. Williams and a 2nd. (I'd imagine) Jennings would be best in a 6th man role I think.

76ers willing to take him for something? One of them young prospects and a 2nd?

An expiring and a 2nd will probably land him. He expires after next year so his contract isn't that bad at all.

Chronz
12-22-2014, 10:50 PM
I'm not that shocked by this move at all, and I applaud Detroit for having the stones to finally do something about him. Smoove has had the worst shot selection in the league for years now, and he's having one of the worst seasons I've ever seen a former star player have in the history of the NBA.

I am slightly surprised that they couldn't convince one of the many poorly managed teams in the league to trade something for him, but I suppose even the truly inept front offices didn't want that contract on the books. Now the question is "Where does he end up?" If I'm a contender, I want no part of him unless he's willing to sign for dirt cheap and play a role as a backup. Smith should be starting under no circumstances on any contender in the league. Or does he chase more money and sign a decent contract with a cellar dweller where he'll get more minutes?

This is a fascinating way to start out the week, though. I'm very intrigued to see where this thing goes in the next few days.
If this were the 90s, some team would have traded for him. As more stat conscious gms [ assistants] have taken over, chuckers like him have lost their value

Cracka2HI!
12-22-2014, 10:54 PM
The Clippers have so many dumb fans now. I'm in a FB group where there is a probably 100 posts today talking about how the Clippers have to get this guy. Good God they are so dumb. First of all, he's probably not a great fit even at the minimum. Sure, if he'd take the minimum I'd give him a look. Most of all they don't know the difference between being waived and released. Even when Smoove clears waivers the Clippers won't be in a favorable position to sign him. They think he "has" to take the minimum. He likely will take the minimum for the remainder of this year but again likely not with the Clippers. The Clippers have a different kind of fan now and I don't like it.

IndyRealist
12-22-2014, 11:11 PM
He will still get paid the exact same amount he would've made if he was still in Detroit, it will just be spread out different now, like a restructure in the NFL.

The cap hits are spread out, not the pay. He still gets his $14m/yr for 2 yrs.

IndyRealist
12-22-2014, 11:18 PM
People are so harsh on Dumars. This wasn't entirely on him. This is a problem that EVERY small market team faces. They have to over-pay for mid-level talent because that is the only way they can get it.

People forget that Dumars put together a championship team. Letting Okur and Wallace go was Davidson not wanting to pay that much for two guys that play the same position, and then letting Chicago outbid for Wallace even when Wallace wanted to stay.

The Iverson trade was meant to clear cap space, but when all the free agents rebuffed Detroit, Gordon and Charlie-V were the only ones available... and Gordon was an established scorer, which Detroit needed, and Charlie-V had been coming along pretty well for a young guy (though I was never really a fan). Davidson essentially told Dumars that he didn't want the team to miss the playoffs and that he needed to bring in guys... those were the only guys that would come to Detroit.

The Smith deal was good on paper. If he were playing like he did in ATL, he'd be worth the money they paid him. There was no way to know that he was suddenly going to play worse than he had ever played when he is supposed to be in his prime.

The Jennings trade/signing was Dumars swinging for the fences when trying to save his job. He knew he was on a short leash and had to do something, so he had to take a chance.

If Dumars had been running LAL, or NY with the roster he had, he would have won more than one championship by now.

You try and get Wade, Kobe, LBJ or KD to sign with Detroit.... see how that works out for you. Even when Detroit was contending, Kobe vetoed a trade there.

When Dumars has free reign, he gets the job done. When owners micromanage, they screw up. The team did much better last year with Joe D's choice of coach than they are with the owner's current choice.

Sorry but this is revisionist. They didn't HAVE to sign Gordon and Charlie V, they targeted them. They didn't have to sign anyone at all.

And letting Wallace go was a HUGE mistake, one Dumars made repeatedly by overvaluing points per game and undervaluing everything else (see Billups vs. Hamilton, Gordon/Villanueva, and Josh Smith).

Josh Smith was not a good signing. He was VASTLY overpaid given his production over the two years prior. But Dumars wanted a big name, and Smith was one of the biggest out at the time.

Ben Wallace was arguably the most important piece of their championship team, and he was a throw in on a trade. Billups was a cast off from multiple other teams. Dumars got lucky, and the proof is that he never managed to do it again and dismantled that team stupidly.

*Silver&Black*
12-23-2014, 12:51 AM
This should humble that jump shot.

DemarDerozan
12-23-2014, 01:15 AM
I'll be the first to admit I was absolutely wrong.

I hadn't seen a lot of Hawks games over the years... And judged JSmoove on highlight dunks and box scores...

I thought ATL letting Smith walk was a huge mistake. And I thought the Pistons getting him discounted would automatically put DET in playoff contention.

God was I wrong. The Hawks are slaying it via team-ball and fundamentals... And the Pistons are suffering with the result of Joe D signing big name low efficiency players,

Too bad the ATL community doesn't realize what they have... This team could be the 03-04 Pistons all over... But would anyone notice in this city?

Blink
12-23-2014, 01:55 AM
I'll be the first to admit I was absolutely wrong.

I hadn't seen a lot of Hawks games over the years... And judged JSmoove on highlight dunks and box scores...

I thought ATL letting Smith walk was a huge mistake. And I thought the Pistons getting him discounted would automatically put DET in playoff contention.

God was I wrong. The Hawks are slaying it via team-ball and fundamentals... And the Pistons are suffering with the result of Joe D signing big name low efficiency players,

Too bad the ATL community doesn't realize what they have... This team could be the 03-04 Pistons all over... But would anyone notice in this city?

Lol it really makes me think Dumars got caught up in the YouTube highlights.

Then in related videos he seen Jennings go off for 55 and thought he was hitting a home run.

B'sCeltsPatsSox
12-23-2014, 02:24 AM
I don't think Josh Smith would be a bad signing for teams if you're playing him for 20-24 MPG or less. If you're gonna roll with him as your starter though, watch out.

JasonJohnHorn
12-23-2014, 02:33 AM
Sorry but this is revisionist. They didn't HAVE to sign Gordon and Charlie V, they targeted them. They didn't have to sign anyone at all.

And letting Wallace go was a HUGE mistake, one Dumars made repeatedly by overvaluing points per game and undervaluing everything else (see Billups vs. Hamilton, Gordon/Villanueva, and Josh Smith).

Josh Smith was not a good signing. He was VASTLY overpaid given his production over the two years prior. But Dumars wanted a big name, and Smith was one of the biggest out at the time.

Ben Wallace was arguably the most important piece of their championship team, and he was a throw in on a trade. Billups was a cast off from multiple other teams. Dumars got lucky, and the proof is that he never managed to do it again and dismantled that team stupidly.



It's not revisionist. It is what happened. I'm from the Detroit area. I'm up on the Detroit news all the time. I read ever article that comes out.

As for who Dumars actually targeted, it was Lamar Odam. That was his first option that season. Odam re-upped with LAL, other guys he wanted committed else where. That is how it works for a small market team. It is a reality.

Charlie V had a few teams looking at him that year. Gordon was the best scorer available. Davidson put pressure on Dumars to keep the team in the playoffs and wanted him to use that money.

As for Wallace, do NOT put that on Dumars. That was Davidson. Okur hit the market, and Davidson said: Let him go. We are going to be giving Wallace a big deal next year and I can't afford to pay them both. So Dumars let him go. When Wallace hit the market, Chi-town out bid what Davidson was willing to pay. That is not on Dumars. He wanted to keep both.

As for Charlie-V, he had just come off a great year where he shot the 3-ball well and was posting 20 points per36 and was close to 20/10 per36. He was getting bites from several teams, and with Odom staying in LAL, Charlie-V was the best forward available and he looked promising at that point. His nose dive in terms of playing could not have been predicted. This was a guy that was stealing minutes away from Chris Bosh and many thought was playing in Bosh's shadow... he got moved to the Bucks and his numbers jumped up. There was every reason to believe that he would continue to improve instead of regress.

Gordon was a bad signing, but Davidson wanted Dumars to add a Vinnie Johnson type, and Gordon was the best scorer out there, and they were hard up for a guard to replace Billups/Iverson, but wanted one that could play both position so Stuckey could develop. Gordon was a solid 3pt shooter to spread the floor, He was a 20-point scorer that signed for a little over 10 mil a year. That wasn't a huge contract considering that guys like McGee are getting 14 million to come off the bench.

And V's contact was like 8 mil... which a lot of people thought was a steal until he started playing like $#!T. But how is a GM supposed to see that coming?

The Jennings and Smith deals were last ditch efforts to keep his job. He even said he wasn't interested in Jennings and then made the deal under pressure.

You want to knock Dumars, go ahead. But you are ignoring his excellent drafting record. Outside of Darko and passing up on Klay, he's made GREAT picks: Prince was a late first rounder, he got Monroe and Drummond. Okur. Singler was a late pick, as were Jason MAxiell and Amir Johnson who have turned out to be solid NBA players which you don't typically get that late in the draft. And he hasn't had any high picks like other teams.

Look... he's a GM in Detroit. DETROIT. Do you know how hard it is to get people to move up to a city that cold with a down town region that looks like a fawking warzone?

Dumars worked wonders for that team. How many GMs in this league have won a championship? How many have made it to six straight conference finals? Even AFTER losing Wallace. I'll give you a hint. ZERO current GM's have put that together. The only other GMs that have put champions together are Mitch (who had it handed to him by West), Buford/Pop, Donnie Nelson, Pat Riley and Ainge.

That is only SIX in the entire league, and Dumars is one of them. If he had the same tools that Mitch has, the Pistons would have won multiple championships. You want to pi$$ what Dumars did... go ahead, but he's accomplished more as a GM in his first ten years than over 90% of GMs accomplish in their entire careers. Calling what I said 'revisionist' is just an indication that you don't follow Detroit sports, and that's fine, I don't expect guy who follow other teams to be up on every team in that kind of detail, but don't pretend a guy from the area who follows it closely knows less that you who I assume are following Indy.

JasonJohnHorn
12-23-2014, 02:52 AM
yea yea yea we get it. dwight howard sucks. he is overrated. all other decent centers in the league are better than him in every imaginable way.

Whoa dude... I never said he sucks. He's a great player. Amazing defender and rebounder.

Just because I don't think that guy is perfect doesn't mean I don't think he's a great player.


The bottom line is, Horford has a jumper, great post moves, and can face the basket and take a player to the hole. On top of that, he can make plays and he's great at taking entry passes. If you think Howard can do ANY of that, then you haven't watched him play. Howard is great at picking up points on offensive rebounds, and he is great on the pick and roll when he's sliding to the basket, but his post game, which is ok, usually involves him spearing his shoulder into the defender and hoping not to get called for an offensive foul.

There is a difference between constructive criticism, and 'hating'.

Crackadalic
12-23-2014, 02:54 AM
Josh just needs to be a role player off the bench and nothing more at this point

IBleedPurple
12-23-2014, 03:31 AM
I've always felt he would be a perfect pairing next to Melo. PLEASE Phil Jackson make this happen.

Calderon
Shumpert
Melo
Smith
StatJosh Smith and Melo? It would be raining shots lol.

I'm sure Detroit tried to trade him.... should've keep him for tankage insurance.

Goose17
12-23-2014, 03:32 AM
The Clippers have so many dumb fans now. I'm in a FB group where there is a probably 100 posts today talking about how the Clippers have to get this guy. Good God they are so dumb. First of all, he's probably not a great fit even at the minimum. Sure, if he'd take the minimum I'd give him a look. Most of all they don't know the difference between being waived and released. Even when Smoove clears waivers the Clippers won't be in a favorable position to sign him. They think he "has" to take the minimum. He likely will take the minimum for the remainder of this year but again likely not with the Clippers. The Clippers have a different kind of fan now and I don't like it.

If it helps I saw a Warriors "fan" getting J Smoove and Chris Smoove (the 2k youtuber) mixed up.

Ariza's Better
12-23-2014, 03:41 AM
If it helps I saw a Warriors "fan" getting J Smoove and Chris Smoove (the 2k youtuber) mixed up.
Wow, and I thought the Houston fan who thought Corey Brewer was Ronnie Brewer was bad.

Sean Moore
12-23-2014, 05:14 AM
Josh just needs to be a role player off the bench and nothing more at this point

Word. That just about describes my thoughts on it. Maybe if this was four years ago or something then we might have something to talk about.

PurpleLynch
12-23-2014, 08:39 AM
Vivek is gonna take him.

MILLERHIGHLIFE
12-23-2014, 08:44 AM
Last decent season by Smith was '09/'10 season. He played more near the basket. He's at his worse when he's jacking up 3's and long two's.

PhillyFaninLA
12-23-2014, 08:57 AM
edit...saw my answer after posting this

MILLERHIGHLIFE
12-23-2014, 09:10 AM
Now Jennings is next.

But what team is looking for a PG? Lakers? Doubt it. Lin & Nash expiring might be used to lure a FA in '15 but maybe they are thinking about going for it in '16 and adding Jennings wouldnt affect that. Jennings is a better PG than Lin.

Kings going for Deron Williams but Nets don't want to give up Plumlee. If they want Jennings they can keep Collinson and prolly just cough up D. Williams and a 2nd. (I'd imagine) Jennings would be best in a 6th man role I think.

76ers willing to take him for something? One of them young prospects and a 2nd?

An expiring and a 2nd will probably land him. He expires after next year so his contract isn't that bad at all.
I was gonna suggest Jennings to the Kings or Nets as well. But maybe if Josh Smith lands with Kings for vet minimum. Maybe they wont ask for Plumlee then? Then pull trigger on Deron Williams trade of Deron for Thompson and Williams? Or make it a three way where Jennings goes to Nets and Deron to Kings and one pf to Detroit with a second rounder and other pf and Jennings to Nets? Nets and Pistons get to take their pick from Thompson, Williams and Landry. Unless Collison still in the mix as well? Sounded like Nets wanna retool for playoffs. So shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic of Deron for Jennings could be any worst? Could it? lol

2-ONE-5
12-23-2014, 09:38 AM
Now Jennings is next.

But what team is looking for a PG? Lakers? Doubt it. Lin & Nash expiring might be used to lure a FA in '15 but maybe they are thinking about going for it in '16 and adding Jennings wouldnt affect that. Jennings is a better PG than Lin.

Kings going for Deron Williams but Nets don't want to give up Plumlee. If they want Jennings they can keep Collinson and prolly just cough up D. Williams and a 2nd. (I'd imagine) Jennings would be best in a 6th man role I think.

76ers willing to take him for something? One of them young prospects and a 2nd?

An expiring and a 2nd will probably land him. He expires after next year so his contract isn't that bad at all.

lol Sixers give up a young prospect and a pick to take Jennings? get that **** outta here. im insulted

InRoseWeTrust
12-23-2014, 10:42 AM
lol Sixers give up a young prospect and a pick to take Jennings? get that **** outta here. im insulted

Yeah...I'm with you. Why the Sixers would surrender any asset, however small, for Jennings and his K makes zero sense.

GunFactor187
12-23-2014, 11:30 AM
Jennings for Robert Covington?

2-ONE-5
12-23-2014, 11:31 AM
no way! Covington is our only floor spacer and has been a pleasnt surprise so far, he is already 8th in 3pt%

Blink
12-23-2014, 12:09 PM
lol Sixers give up a young prospect and a pick to take Jennings? get that **** outta here. im insulted

My bad. I meant prospect or 2nd.

Hell I'm willing to give you guys a future 2nd if you take him.


You already stole Covington fromantic us!

Corey
12-23-2014, 12:13 PM
no way! Covington is our only floor spacer and has been a pleasnt surprise so far, he is already 8th in 3pt%

Yeah, Covington is awesome. I've been rooting for him and he's showing a lot this year.

Corey
12-23-2014, 12:15 PM
I think a motivated Josh Smith on a contender can still really help someone. He knew Detroit wasn't going anywhere (yet) and he checked out like a little bi*ch. He'll find success.

I could see Houston, LAC, Dallas, Sacramento, and maybe even San Antonio inquiring about him.

McRoberts is probably out for the year, maybe the nice weather in South Beach would motivate him?

2-ONE-5
12-23-2014, 12:22 PM
My bad. I meant prospect or 2nd.

Hell I'm willing to give you guys a future 2nd if you take him.


You already stole Covington fromantic us!

thought the Rockets had Covington? Jennigns isnt a guy we want or need around a young core lol. But I do think he will be able to net you a future 2nd since he has been at least somewhat productive at times unlike Smith

kobe4thewinbang
12-23-2014, 12:24 PM
Is he just that unappealing trade-wise? Suns signed him in my game. (Makes no sense, lol, with him clanking 3's).

Jamiecballer
12-23-2014, 01:05 PM
Well there are only 2 teams that disregard character and chemistry and one of them just released him -so Sacramento you're up!

Jamiecballer
12-23-2014, 01:08 PM
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mightybosstone
12-23-2014, 01:27 PM
no way! Covington is our only floor spacer and has been a pleasnt surprise so far, he is already 8th in 3pt%


Yeah, Covington is awesome. I've been rooting for him and he's showing a lot this year.


thought the Rockets had Covington? Jennigns isnt a guy we want or need around a young core lol. But I do think he will be able to net you a future 2nd since he has been at least somewhat productive at times unlike Smith

:sigh: I wished the Rockets had kept Covington. I always thought that kid had potential, but they just couldn't find a spot for him on the roster and he never performed well in the limited minutes he did get in actual NBA games. But I'm glad to see him doing so well somewhere else. I think this goes to show you how good Morey is at using limited resources to find solid NBA talent.

MonroeFAN
12-23-2014, 02:21 PM
Definitely digging on Covington in fantasy.

2-ONE-5
12-23-2014, 02:28 PM
Covington looked clueless his first 3 games here and i wasnt sure about him but something clicked and ever since he had his first breakout game he has been solid to say the least and he has been a good rebounder too.

Jeffy25
12-23-2014, 03:11 PM
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SportsFanatic10
12-23-2014, 03:16 PM
the heat are so desperate up front after mcroberts injury that i kinda want smith lol. he could be a decent fit with his shot blocking and rebounding which miami is lacking in. doubt it happens though, houston makes sense because of his friendship with howard. i'm not sure he'll help them though.

cgreenhill
12-23-2014, 04:50 PM
I would like to see him go to a contender in the East. I think he would fit well with Miami. He could go back to Atlanta. I am just tired of the teams in the West loading up on talent. I don't want to see him in Cleveland either. How much Talent does Lebron need around him to win?

likemystylez
12-23-2014, 05:29 PM
I would like to see him go to a contender in the East. I think he would fit well with Miami. He could go back to Atlanta. I am just tired of the teams in the West loading up on talent. I don't want to see him in Cleveland either. How much Talent does Lebron need around him to win?

Honestly when lebron was with the cavs the first time- he took a team of garbage to the best record in the league two straight times. And you know the other players on that team were crap cuz when lebron left- the rest of that cavs team found a way to lose 26 straight in an eastern conference schedule. I'm pretty sure there are jr high girls teams who could figure out how to avoid 26 straight losses out east.

thaShady
12-23-2014, 05:49 PM
Don't feel bad, I think we're STILL paying Gilbert Arenas....

JasonJohnHorn
12-23-2014, 08:01 PM
I think a motivated Josh Smith on a contender can still really help someone. He knew Detroit wasn't going anywhere (yet) and he checked out like a little bi*ch. He'll find success.

I could see Houston, LAC, Dallas, Sacramento, and maybe even San Antonio inquiring about him.

McRoberts is probably out for the year, maybe the nice weather in South Beach would motivate him?

The problem with guys who check out is that they do that during winnable game when they think there's no hope. In the playoffs, we've seen teams like Kobe and Pau's Lakers come back against SAS and BOS, and BOS come back against LAL... teams that are down by 15, 20, 24 points. The team that is down tightens up the ship, protects the ball, takes better shots, and they are back in the game in ten minutes. You get a guy like Josh Smith in that situation, and if you leave him on the court the game is lost. They start taking gambles, turning the ball over, rushing shots.... and they get other guys to do the same, or frustrate the guys who are trying to play smart.

These guys that are willing to not try and check out... contenders don't want them. It's why Vince Carter never made it to the NBA finals. He checked out in Toronto, and he never really checked back into the game, even though he got healthy enough that he could have been playing at that All-Star level.

I don't think this guy will even be in the league when 2017 roles around, even though he should still be in his prime at that time.

Blink
12-24-2014, 12:48 AM
thought the Rockets had Covington? Jennigns isnt a guy we want or need around a young core lol. But I do think he will be able to net you a future 2nd since he has been at least somewhat productive at times unlike Smith

Yeah the Rockets did have him but the Pistons just got a new d league team and he was the #1 pick for the Grand Rapids drive (Detroits D league team). Didn't even get a game in I believe and you guys snagged him.

Great move. He definitely would see the floor playing for us.

IBleedPurple
12-24-2014, 02:46 AM
Don't feel bad, I think we're STILL paying Gilbert Arenas....Lol

Deception
12-24-2014, 02:58 AM
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Ariza's Better
12-24-2014, 04:06 AM
I have spent alot of time thinking about this. I took a walk on the beach, fed some seagulls, stared at the ocean just to wrap my head around whether this is a good move or not.
On one hand, Smith would play the Dmo role where most of his shots would be close to the basket and on fast breaks which is more ideal than Detroit. Also Dmo would provide much needed scoring off the bench. It will also allow houston to move Jones for a backup center or be packaged together for another player.
On the other, it could disrupt the chemistry and ruin the rockets season. But because he comes cheap he will be easily moved on. But that could upset Dwight. But if smith plays with Dwight he could finally pull his head in.
God I don't know how to think or react to this.

KINGOFSPORTS
12-24-2014, 04:18 AM
lol

yet another former all star moving West

the East is so terrible

2-ONE-5
12-24-2014, 09:57 AM
lol this is a plus move for the East. the East instantly improves with the loss of Josh Smith

LeonFSU
12-24-2014, 12:08 PM
I think Miami is the best fit. Not as sure about Houston