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raiderfaninTX
12-22-2014, 11:38 AM
who else has done this?

DubbyDubbs
12-22-2014, 11:56 AM
Why not google it or do the research instead of starting a troll thread lol

beasted86
12-22-2014, 11:56 AM
who else has done this?

Trololol!

Free as a seagull!

LakersIn5
12-22-2014, 12:13 PM
Allen iverson - november 13 2001. 8/30 shooting for 25 points.

Crunch Time
12-22-2014, 12:39 PM
weak roll bread

YoungOne
12-22-2014, 12:52 PM
dont forget the 9 turnover :D

-Kobe24-TJ19-
12-22-2014, 12:58 PM
harden took 31 shots to get 26 points.

Wed 11/26 vs Kings

More-Than-Most
12-22-2014, 01:06 PM
Its a troll thread but my god Kobe is beyond bad

More-Than-Most
12-22-2014, 01:06 PM
Lol Young had 1 more point on 16 less shots :laugh:

Hawkeye15
12-22-2014, 01:07 PM
it has happened plenty of times I am sure. Not something you want happening with any frequency, but it happens to high volume scorers.

benzni
12-22-2014, 01:07 PM
Kobe needs to up his points quota to 30 if he plans to win the NBA scoring title.

Hawkeye15
12-22-2014, 01:08 PM
it's this type of treatment that made me pull for LeBron haha. Kobe bashers are killing me right now. Dude, what did you guys expect out of the man? He has had 2 surgeries, played a million games, and is being asked to be the #1 option after all that immediately.

YoungOne
12-22-2014, 01:13 PM
^ no it looks like he thinks he can still play like a 25 year old kobe

Hawkeye15
12-22-2014, 01:17 PM
^ no it looks like he thinks he can still play like a 25 year old kobe

so? We all know Kobe won't just shake declines hand, he isn't built that way. But I don't know what people expected out of him this year. And pile driving the point that he has basically turned into a not very good player, was not only expected, it just kinda comes off as "nana booboo, told ya so" haha.

I figured a huge fall off. It's happened. Considering the circumstances, it should have been expected.

Wade n Fade
12-22-2014, 01:21 PM
Kobe isn't the type of player that elevates others around him. Magic did that. MJ did that as well. The Lakers brought it upon themselves to give a lousy contract out and they are stuck with a chucker that cannot even shoot 40%. If Kobe wasn't so egotistical, he would try to work more on getting people involved more, but that's not his mo.

Teeboy1487
12-22-2014, 01:25 PM
#5Ringz #81Points

SeoulBeatz
12-22-2014, 01:30 PM
I'm certain my boy A.I has done this on numerous occasions.

tredigs
12-22-2014, 01:31 PM
it's this type of treatment that made me pull for LeBron haha. Kobe bashers are killing me right now. Dude, what did you guys expect out of the man? He has had 2 surgeries, played a million games, and is being asked to be the #1 option after all that immediately.

Are we sure about this part? Seems to me that he's sort of choosing himself there and Byron's too much of a whipping boy to really do anything about it. At least ~8 shots a game worth.

When I was in my ''pull for Lebron'' stage was when he was essentially murdered on here for anything and everything despite clearly being the best or 2nd best player in the NBA. He would consistently get killed for making the right basketball play (despite it not being the right SportsCenter play). We're seeing the opposite here. I say the hate is almost entirely justified.

mightybosstone
12-22-2014, 01:34 PM
This is not that uncommon for scoring wings, even efficient ones. Everyone has a bad night, and when you have a bad night, sometimes you'll keep shooting to try and find a rhythm. This certainly isn't worthy of its own thread.

More-Than-Most
12-22-2014, 01:37 PM
I'm certain my boy A.I has done this on numerous occasions.

you need to fix your sig bro....... I like reading your posts but everytime you post you lag the page horribly and i am using a high powered pc with high speed internet lol

Bruno
12-22-2014, 01:43 PM
Kobe is Aslan while bound to the stone table, and internet trolls are the queens minions.

kick a great while he's down, why don't you all. fingers crossed for a happy ending. don't even go into reddit, most of them were too young to see him at full mane.

beasted86
12-22-2014, 01:45 PM
At the end of the day, Kobe still has the athleticism and ability to be a good offensive player, it's his IQ that is lacking right now.

He doesn't know the difference between a good shot and a bad shot, and doesn't know how to stop shooting and just say "hey, I'm just off tonight" and try and turn into a facilitator or player that only takes wide open shots. Kobe is the only guy right now that will be like 2/12 on the night and come down the floor looking to isolate and shoot baseline fade away jumpers over double teams. That's the mentality that he's made a career on, so nobody should be surprised.

Hawkeye15
12-22-2014, 01:56 PM
Are we sure about this part? Seems to me that he's sort of choosing himself there and Byron's too much of a whipping boy to really do anything about it. At least ~8 shots a game worth.

When I was in my ''pull for Lebron'' stage was when he was essentially murdered on here for anything and everything despite clearly being the best or 2nd best player in the NBA. He would consistently get killed for making the right basketball play (despite it not being the right SportsCenter play). We're seeing the opposite here. I say the hate is almost entirely justified.

but Kobe has always been this way. Everyone should have seen this coming. Its just now his body won't do what it needs to, so he is killing his team with his usual mentality. I for one see no reason to pile on, but to each their own for sure.

nickdymez
12-22-2014, 02:38 PM
Troll thread like usual. Mods leaving this open because they hate Kobe. Another day

bucketss
12-22-2014, 02:41 PM
ESPN 8 for 30: The Kobe Bryant Story

JasonJohnHorn
12-22-2014, 02:53 PM
I say the Lakers need to let Kobe take MORE shots. There is no way they are going to finish 5th and get to keep their draft pick is Kobe is only taking 30 shots a game.

MTar786
12-22-2014, 02:54 PM
At the end of the day, Kobe still has the athleticism and ability to be a good offensive player, it's his IQ that is lacking right now.

He doesn't know the difference between a good shot and a bad shot, and doesn't know how to stop shooting and just say "hey, I'm just off tonight" and try and turn into a facilitator or player that only takes wide open shots. Kobe is the only guy right now that will be like 2/12 on the night and come down the floor looking to isolate and shoot baseline fade away jumpers over double teams. That's the mentality that he's made a career on, so nobody should be surprised.

huh? ive watched every laker game this season and i think ive only seen kobe dunk three times all year. and two happened to be on fast breaks where he had the ball all alone.
at this stage of his career kobe should be a sixth man of the year on a championship team kind of player. but he would never accept a role like that

lakerfan85
12-22-2014, 05:26 PM
I dropped 27 at the rec the other night while shooting 9/32...

Hawkeye15
12-22-2014, 05:26 PM
I dropped 27 at the rec the other night while shooting 9/32...

did they call you a chucker?

Legitimate
12-22-2014, 05:33 PM
ESPN 8 for 30: The Kobe Bryant Story

I lol'd

Nick O
12-22-2014, 06:01 PM
eh hes had a crap load of success and now he wants to score a bunch of points on an awful team.. why the hell not. just let him aha

Bruno
12-22-2014, 06:09 PM
I say the Lakers need to let Kobe take MORE shots. There is no way they are going to finish 5th and get to keep their draft pick is Kobe is only taking 30 shots a game.

what's best for the Lakers in the long term is also what's best for Kobe chasing down Karl Malone.

#keepshooting

Bruno
12-22-2014, 06:40 PM
Are we sure about this part? Seems to me that he's sort of choosing himself there and Byron's too much of a whipping boy to really do anything about it. At least ~8 shots a game worth.

When I was in my ''pull for Lebron'' stage was when he was essentially murdered on here for anything and everything despite clearly being the best or 2nd best player in the NBA. He would consistently get killed for making the right basketball play (despite it not being the right SportsCenter play). We're seeing the opposite here. I say the hate is almost entirely justified.
For non-Laker fans who want to see them spend the next decade in purgatory, maybe.

For Laker fans, I love it. It's brilliant. Chase the record, get us to keep this top five pick. whens the last time LAL had back to back lottery selections? Seems like perfect timing considering Howards exit and the fear that the purple and gold can't bring in big name free agents anymore (something well look back on and laugh at in due time).

I get a kick out of him turning back the clock every 4th game. I like watching the footwork. this team has zero chance of playing playoff quality basketball anyways, so whats the problem?

it's kobes world digs, were just living in it.

Jeffy25
12-22-2014, 06:51 PM
It's happened 40 times (at least 30 shots, and 25 or less points) since the 85 season

Thaddeus Young did it on March 14th of this year


The worst was Stackhouse on 2/3/01 - 34 shots for 21 points


Kobe has done this 5 times, Iverson has done it 6 times, Jordan did it once, Melo, Payton, Webber, Walker and Walter Davis each did it twice.

Hawkeye15
12-22-2014, 06:52 PM
It's happened 40 times (at least 30 shots, and 25 or less points) since the 85 season

Thaddeus Young did it on March 14th of this year


The worst was Stackhouse on 2/3/01 - 34 shots for 21 points


Kobe has done this 5 times, Iverson has done it 6 times, Jordan did it once, Melo, Payton, Webber, Walker and Walter Davis each did it twice.

Walter Davis? Where did that come from haha

also, you get extra points when you shimmy, so you can remove Toine from that list..

Jeffy25
12-22-2014, 06:53 PM
Yeah, Walter Davis did it twice in the 85 season alone....may have done it more prior to that year, but Play Index only covers to that point

Jeffy25
12-22-2014, 06:54 PM
ESPN 8 for 30: The Kobe Bryant Story

Awful, and hilarious

Jeffy25
12-22-2014, 06:55 PM
Troll thread like usual. Mods leaving this open because they hate Kobe. Another day
I don't see how it's a troll thread, when it's literally what Kobe just did.

If another player did it, and this was made into a thread, would it be trolling then?

nickdymez
12-22-2014, 07:01 PM
I don't see how it's a troll thread, when it's literally what Kobe just did.

If another player did it, and this was made into a thread, would it be trolling then?
Yes it would. But that is besides the point. Kobe also leads the league in the most hate threads created for him on PSD.

Jeffy25
12-22-2014, 07:03 PM
Yes it would. But that is besides the point. Kobe also leads the league in the most hate threads created for him on PSD.

A thread about an action of a player and asking who else has done it isn't trolling.

And as the evidence supports, it's fairly rare.

40 times in 30 years.

nickdymez
12-22-2014, 07:06 PM
A thread about an action of a player and asking who else has done it isn't trolling.

And as the evidence supports, it's fairly rare.

40 times in 30 years.
Well then let's make a few more threads about the negative things every player does every night then. It's stupid that you're sitting here acting like this isn't a troll thread.

Jeffy25
12-22-2014, 07:08 PM
Well then let's make a few more threads about the negative things every player does every night then. It's stupid that you're sitting here acting like this isn't a troll thread.

Because it isn't.

If a player does something that happens maybe once a year, and you want to ask who else has done it, by all means, that's a thread


If you want to make a thread every time a player gets called for a charge, misses a shot or something, than that would be trolling. That isn't what happened here.

nickdymez
12-22-2014, 07:10 PM
Because it isn't.

If a player does something that happens maybe once a year, and you want to ask who else has done it, by all means, that's a thread


If you want to make a thread every time a player gets called for a charge, misses a shot or something, than that would be trolling. That isn't what happened here.
Ok

beasted86
12-22-2014, 07:20 PM
huh? ive watched every laker game this season and i think ive only seen kobe dunk three times all year. and two happened to be on fast breaks where he had the ball all alone.
at this stage of his career kobe should be a sixth man of the year on a championship team kind of player. but he would never accept a role like that

So you're telling me Kobe is less athletic than say, Joe Johnson or Manu Ginobili or Kyle Korver... 3 main rotation SGs in the league that are above average?

His athleticism is not holding him back at this point. He is no longer an elite athlete by comparison but very much has starter worthy speed and cutting ability.

MTar786
12-22-2014, 07:49 PM
So you're telling me Kobe is less athletic than say, Joe Johnson or Manu Ginobili or Kyle Korver... 3 main rotation SGs in the league that are above average?

His athleticism is not holding him back at this point. He is no longer an elite athlete by comparison but very much has starter worthy speed and cutting ability.

watch more laker games. his athleticism has all but disappeared. and if you do see any its all in short spurts that disappear quickly. he barely penetrates. his legs are gone. he gets gassed FAST.. and i mean FAST. He can barely jump. all he can do is run... slowly

also i i dont watch joe play but i bet he is more athletic than kobe at this point. and why would u compare korver? he is a 3 point specialist. if kobe was a 3 point specialist then he wouldnt need to be athletic to be in the nba. also, ginobli is garbage now too for similar reasons.. not to mention he was more of a scrappy player to begin with anyway. kobe was a slasher/shooter. athleticism is a lot more for kobe than it is for a guy like korver or gino even. kobes slashing ability is pretty much gone. you do understand you need to be really athletic to drive like the way he did right?

im sorry man.. but use a dif point to argue for kobe. I dont even need to prove he lost most of his athleticism

on the next point.
i agree kobe can be a starter, i think hes still really good and could be top 10 in the league if he remodeled his game. and this all based on sheer skill. but sorry man.. his speed is gone. and whats cutting ability if hes too tired to even attempt slashing? he settles for jumpers a lot now because he is TOO TIRED to drive the lane.

im not trying to call you out or make u look bad. but trust me man.. ive watched all the games. im a huge kobe fan.. but this is just sad to watch now for me. id rather him retire and keep his legacy intact and leave on a somewhat positive note.
I feel shaq left 5 years too late and people dont remember him the way they should now. I dont want that to happen to kobe too

andy2518
12-22-2014, 08:59 PM
Well then let's make a few more threads about the negative things every player does every night then. It's stupid that you're sitting here acting like this isn't a troll thread.

Ya, it's best to not even try to have a logical conversation with that guy. From what I have read on this site he has got a clear anti Kobe agenda. Though he tries to cover it up and pretend like he is neutral and un-bias. He just doesn't seem to realize how thin his veil truly is. Total waste of time to conversate with people like that. You will never convince him of anything because his mind is already made up.

Bruno
12-22-2014, 11:27 PM
I don't see how it's a troll thread, when it's literally what Kobe just did.

If another player did it, and this was made into a thread, would it be trolling then?

:laugh2:

jerellh528
12-22-2014, 11:34 PM
I don't see how it's a troll thread, when it's literally what Kobe just did.

If another player did it, and this was made into a thread, would it be trolling then?

It wouldn't be made into a thread if another player did it.

blahblahyoutoo
12-22-2014, 11:37 PM
Troll thread like usual. Mods leaving this open because they hate Kobe. Another day

oh stop it with the victim card.

Cal827
12-23-2014, 12:12 AM
Anyways, all trolling aside, I remember a game the Raptors played last season, where Rudy Gay got 29 points.... on 37 shots (I think he was like 9 or 10 for 37 from the field)

It was hilarious to me because although he stunk, he got the game tying basket in regulation, then hit a buzzer beater in overtime to send it to double overtime.

.... and then the next day, Rudy banned box scores from the locker room, and I'm not even joking :laugh2:

Cal827
12-23-2014, 12:13 AM
Damon Stoudamire had a similar game to Rudy Gay (11-37)... Looking up others ATM at Basketball Reference.

Jeffy25
12-23-2014, 12:14 AM
Anyways, all trolling aside, I remember a game the Raptors played last season, where Rudy Gay got 29 points.... on 37 shots (I think he was like 9 or 10 for 37 from the field)

It was hilarious to me because although he stunk, he got the game tying basket in regulation, then hit a buzzer beater in overtime to send it to double overtime.

.... and then the next day, Rudy banned box scores from the locker room, and I'm not even joking :laugh2:

This is the game

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201311110HOU.html

Cal827
12-23-2014, 12:16 AM
Ohh Look. Jordan had a game in 95 where he took 28 shots to get 19 points. That's even less efficient than what the OP is referring to here lolol

Cal827
12-23-2014, 12:21 AM
This is the game

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201311110HOU.html

Ah, thank you. I guess I'm thinking of another game where he got the regulation tying shot.

I do remember just laughing so damn hard when he hit that OT tying shot. I made a joke reference to the Kobe Game where he went like 1-15 to start, but hit the game winning 3. My friend (who's a Rocket fan) was pissed off, which made it even more funny.

WOwolfOL
12-23-2014, 02:31 AM
Ohh Look. Jordan had a game in 95 where he took 28 shots to get 19 points. That's even less efficient than what the OP is referring to here lolol
You mean, the game in which he returned from a 1.7 season retirement?

Tony_Starks
12-23-2014, 03:56 AM
I'm glad this mindset didn't exist when I got to enjoy AI, T Mac, Vince, Agent Zero, and some other guy......back then we didn't look down on scorers. Believe it or not people used to talk about what a helluva game certain players had without a stat sheet....

ILLUSIONIST^248
12-23-2014, 04:26 AM
harden took 31 shots to get 26 points.

Wed 11/26 vs Kings

Lol nice

Sean Moore
12-23-2014, 05:10 AM
I'm glad this mindset didn't exist when I got to enjoy AI, T Mac, Vince, Agent Zero, and some other guy......back then we didn't look down on scorers. Believe it or not people used to talk about what a helluva game certain players had without a stat sheet....

I know right. It's hard to tell the difference between basketball and dungeons and dragons the way I hear it discussed sometimes.

L8kers4life
12-23-2014, 05:46 AM
As a huge Lakers fan and someone who has always cheered for Kobe I must admit, it has become painful to watch Kobe continue to shoot with no regard for his teammates or his field goal percentage. He is too stubborn to step back, and Byron is a coward and plays Kobe 40 minutes it seems every night. Let Kobe play between 28 and 32 minutes, and ease the green light on him. I can't even watch a full game anymore because kobe chucks when we are up by fifteen and we end up losing the game.
Maybe the plan is to keep letting him shoot so we do keep out draft pick, because at this point the only way the lakers stop losing is if Kobe passes the rock.

Chavacano
12-23-2014, 07:16 AM
You mean, the game in which he returned from a 1.7 season retirement?

^^ Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that roughly the same time span Kobe didn't get to play basketball due to a series of injuries?

PurpleLynch
12-23-2014, 09:11 AM
it's this type of treatment that made me pull for LeBron haha. Kobe bashers are killing me right now. Dude, what did you guys expect out of the man? He has had 2 surgeries, played a million games, and is being asked to be the #1 option after all that immediately.

Thank you very much. :)

Jeffy25
12-23-2014, 10:08 AM
I'm glad this mindset didn't exist when I got to enjoy AI, T Mac, Vince, Agent Zero, and some other guy......back then we didn't look down on scorers. Believe it or not people used to talk about what a helluva game certain players had without a stat sheet....

Looking for better efficiency shouldn't be a deterrent, and I don't see how people pointing out that pure volume scoring in the face of the value of the teams benefit can detract you from your enjoyment of the game.

Hawkeye15
12-23-2014, 10:11 AM
Looking for better efficiency shouldn't be a deterrent, and I don't see how people pointing out that pure volume scoring in the face of the value of the teams benefit can detract you from your enjoyment of the game.

furthermore, people were bringing up inefficiency back then. Hell, my dad told me in high school (91-94'), if you are not going to at least score as many points as shot attempts, stop ****ing shooting so much. He didn't have BBR, Pelton, or Hollinger showing him why....

edit (remembered one other thing)-my 9th grade coach benched me for taking a 18 footer once (1991). Said, "if you are going to take that shot, back up 1 more foot, and take a 3 for christ's sake.

People act like efficiency is a new concept or something

Jeffy25
12-23-2014, 10:13 AM
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/kobe-bryant-has-to-stop-172044604.html

Jeffy25
12-23-2014, 10:16 AM
furthermore, people were bringing up inefficiency back then. Hell, my dad told me in high school (91-94'), if you are not going to at least score as many points as shot attempts, stop ****ing shooting so much. He didn't have BBR, Pelton, or Hollinger showing him why....

Yup.


You should still take intelligent shots.

Link I just posted shows some of his shots in this last game, and nobody has even mentioned all of the turnovers.

Kobe doesn't have to carry the load like he thinks he has to. And he takes double teamed shots and tries to put up shots because he thinks he is going to be fouled. That isn't always the best thing for the team. In that video, he has several open team mates that he could pass to, instead of taking the difficult shot.

Andrew32
12-23-2014, 11:07 AM
Kobe in 2003
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VS BOS : 41pts on 47 shots :speechless:
VS NJN : 21pts on 29 shots
___________________________________

Kobe in 2011
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21pts on 27 shots (SAS)
17pts on 24 shots (CLE)
___________________________________

Kobe in 2012
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16pts on 28 shots (damn) (DEN)

RLundi
12-23-2014, 11:26 AM
It's happened 40 times (at least 30 shots, and 25 or less points) since the 85 season

Thaddeus Young did it on March 14th of this year


The worst was Stackhouse on 2/3/01 - 34 shots for 21 points


Kobe has done this 5 times, Iverson has done it 6 times, Jordan did it once, Melo, Payton, Webber, Walker and Walter Davis each did it twice.

Thanks for the leg work!

kobe4thewinbang
12-23-2014, 12:20 PM
It's what shooters do.

MetroMan
12-23-2014, 12:24 PM
Allen Iverson field goal average for 1 whole season was 11-28

WOwolfOL
12-23-2014, 12:32 PM
^^ Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that roughly the same time span Kobe didn't get to play basketball due to a series of injuries?
Well, hes had 25 games this year. And he's done it 5 times in his career. Jordan did it once, in his comeback game, in which you would expect him to be rusty but try to shoot his way out of it, so to speak. So I guess the time frame almost fits, but the circumstances are quite different.

Jamiecballer
12-23-2014, 12:53 PM
In many ways Kobe winning the scoring title would be great for basketball. It would shine a light on how useless PPG is.

Tony_Starks
12-23-2014, 01:10 PM
In many ways Kobe winning the scoring title would be great for basketball. It would shine a light on how useless PPG is.

It will only be called useless if Kobe does it. If James Haren does it they'll call him the best SG in the game, even though he's shooting 40% and getting lots of points from flops....

Chronz
12-23-2014, 01:17 PM
It will only be called useless if Kobe does it. If James Haren does it they'll call him the best SG in the game, even though he's shooting 40% and getting lots of points from flops....
That argument would shine even more light on the uselessness of fg%. 2 players can have the same fg% and be completely different in terms of Efficiency.

Tony_Starks
12-23-2014, 01:17 PM
I'm glad this mindset didn't exist when I got to enjoy AI, T Mac, Vince, Agent Zero, and some other guy......back then we didn't look down on scorers. Believe it or not people used to talk about what a helluva game certain players had without a stat sheet....

Looking for better efficiency shouldn't be a deterrent, and I don't see how people pointing out that pure volume scoring in the face of the value of the teams benefit can detract you from your enjoyment of the game.

Its not a deterrent but I don't like how people use efficiency to say player A is better than player B without looking at context. The team around him, the degree of difficulty on his shots, the fact that he's still drawing double teams.

He basically needs some rest, Scott needs to start giving him the Duncan treatment.

SportsFanatic10
12-23-2014, 03:00 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/kobe-bryant-has-to-stop-172044604.html

i read that last night, it was an interesting read. a lot of truth to it, the numbers are pretty telling and the sample size just keeps growing.

Hawkeye15
12-23-2014, 03:15 PM
Its not a deterrent but I don't like how people use efficiency to say player A is better than player B without looking at context. The team around him, the degree of difficulty on his shots, the fact that he's still drawing double teams.

He basically needs some rest, Scott needs to start giving him the Duncan treatment.

you shouldn't be taking high degree of difficult shots outside avoiding a shot clock violation though, that is part of the point. You don't get extra credit because you force stupid shots that are highly contested, or ones where you have to pull off some amazing athletic move to even attempt it. Those are what separate efficient from inefficient. That, and going to the rim, instead of jacking 18 footers (again, shot selection).

Jeffy25
12-23-2014, 03:30 PM
you shouldn't be taking high degree of difficult shots outside avoiding a shot clock violation though, that is part of the point. You don't get extra credit because you force stupid shots that are highly contested, or ones where you have to pull off some amazing athletic move to even attempt it. Those are what separate efficient from inefficient. That, and going to the rim, instead of jacking 18 footers (again, shot selection).


Correct, having to make three pivot moves to shake a defender to jump in the air to shoot a 17 footer is not a good shot. If there is 5 or less seconds left on the shot clock, that is one thing. But with 12 seconds on the shot clock, and the ball hasn't moved around looking for an open man and trying to find off and on the ball screens and movement, then it's just a bad shot.


I really do like Kobe, we are watching an all-time great. But you don't get credit for when you chuck the ball. And he arguably cost the Lakers that Kings game because of his insistence on shooting. 9 turnovers and 22 missed shots....that's going to hurt any team. A lot of his missed shots were shots he forced up because he thought he was about to draw a foul. And while that can be understandable from time to time, you can't just throw it up there because you are drawing a little bit of contact, or think you are about to.

What would do Kobe a lot of good, is if he would take the pressure when it comes to him and start finding open team mates and get great assist numbers when he can. Maybe he doesn't have the best shooters on his team, but a wide open three by Lin has a much better chance of going in then a Kobe double teamed 18 foot jumper does.


You don't get extra credit for shooting the ball with a higher degree of difficulty. There is a lot of value in floor spacing and making the defense do a lot of work to stop the team, instead of one or two guys just shutting an individual down.




And to Tony_Starks. He's drawing double teams because he is taking 22 shots per game. Every player in the history of the NBA that has taken 22 shots per game has drawn double teams. He isn't drawing double teams because of his scoring proficiency. It's because he is going to shoot the ball. Whether it goes in or not doesn't matter. You draw double teams when the defense knows you are going to shoot the ball.


Kobe has made 37% of his shots this year. That's 11th on the Lakers this year, the only player with any actual minutes behind him is Ronnie Price. He needs to start passing the ball off to some of his team mates who are capable of scoring, whether he believes that or not.

Kobe is taking the most shots per possession of anyone in the NBA, 31.7% of his teams total possessions (regardless if he is on the court or not) have ended with Kobe shooting. Kobe has the highest season in the NBA in the last 30 years of doing this (35 in 05/06). The only other time anyone has shot 31% of his teams shots has been Jordan during his scoring title years. Not even Allen Iverson did this.

He is simply shooting too much, it would be one thing if he was making 45% of his shots or something, but he isn't. He needs to start finding his team mates.

Jamiecballer
12-23-2014, 04:03 PM
It will only be called useless if Kobe does it. If James Haren does it they'll call him the best SG in the game, even though he's shooting 40% and getting lots of points from flops....
No, you could replace Kobe's name with anyone else who is scoring a ton on brutal efficiency like he is this year. Iverson's scoring title(s?) were meaningless. He was a great scorer but far from the best. I don't know what Hardens efficiency is like this year, all you mentioned was fg% so its impossible for me to guess.

jerellh528
12-23-2014, 04:37 PM
Kobe in 2003
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VS BOS : 41pts on 47 shots :speechless:
VS NJN : 21pts on 29 shots
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Kobe in 2011
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21pts on 27 shots (SAS)
17pts on 24 shots (CLE)
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Kobe in 2012
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16pts on 28 shots (damn) (DEN)

81 points on 46 shots

62 points on 31 shots in 3 qtrs

69 points on 39 shots

61 points on 31 shots

55 points on 29 shots, 41 in one 1/2.

All victories too, DAMN!

Tony_Starks
12-23-2014, 05:03 PM
Kobe in 2003
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VS BOS : 41pts on 47 shots :speechless:
VS NJN : 21pts on 29 shots
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Kobe in 2011
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21pts on 27 shots (SAS)
17pts on 24 shots (CLE)
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Kobe in 2012
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16pts on 28 shots (damn) (DEN)

81 points on 46 shots

62 points on 31 shots in 3 qtrs

69 points on 39 shots

61 points on 31 shots

55 points on 29 shots, 41 in one 1/2.

All victories too, DAMN!

Did you say all victories?

Sports Illustrator
12-23-2014, 06:00 PM
We have gotten many complaints about this thread, as there has been lots of baiting and negative tones floating around.