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Corey
12-18-2014, 07:13 PM
Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 22m22 minutes ago
ESPN sources say teams closing in on swap to send Brandan Wright, Jae Crowder, Jameer Nelson, one future first & one future second to Celts

J4KOP99
12-18-2014, 07:14 PM
Very interesting

YAALREADYKNO
12-18-2014, 07:15 PM
Lets go mavs!!!

Ty_Lawson
12-18-2014, 07:15 PM
So, that's where Ray will end...

lakerfan85
12-18-2014, 07:16 PM
Lakers dodged a bullet..

Lakers + Giants
12-18-2014, 07:16 PM
Mavs team looking legit. Could be 2011 all over again!

goingfor28
12-18-2014, 07:17 PM
Good deal for Dallas

Shareeb_omac2
12-18-2014, 07:18 PM
So, that's where Ray will end...

Is this an assumption or is there more to this?

hugepatsfan
12-18-2014, 07:20 PM
I like the deal for both sides. DAL got a player who I think will help them win and BOS continued it's rebuilding efforts with another pick.

Crackadalic
12-18-2014, 07:20 PM
Rondo
Ellis
Parsons
Dirk
Tyson

Not bad and what they gave up even better tbh.

All rondo has to do is never shoot lol.

TheNumber37
12-18-2014, 07:20 PM
Excellent Dallas trade. He helps their offense and defense, very deep and dangerous team. Carlisle is a great coach for Rondo too. Because he's won and Rondo respects him. Dallas is top 4 in the west now

corky831
12-18-2014, 07:21 PM
Best we could get for Rondo at this point....I'll take another first for a half yr of him. We drafted Marcus Smart for a reason. We should have traded him a long time ago.

mngopher35
12-18-2014, 07:22 PM
I like the deal for both sides. DAL got a player who I think will help them win and BOS continued it's rebuilding efforts with another pick.

Agreed, best spot for Rondo as a player too imo. Dallas could do some damage in the playoffs...

AnthonyTyrael2
12-18-2014, 07:22 PM
Welcome! Time to learn how to shoot. Come tell Rubio to join. But better do not shoot that mich at all. Just stick to your primary talents.

Farewell and wishing you success, gonna Miss you guys, AS said before. Thanks for being a Mavs for quiet some time and bringing joy and pride to our franchise

AnthonyTyrael2
12-18-2014, 07:24 PM
Is this an assumption or is there more to this?

Wishfull thinking but my thought too

Iron24th
12-18-2014, 07:24 PM
Rondo will distribute well for dirk, parsons and ellis, this team could be very good.

dhopisthename
12-18-2014, 07:26 PM
wow can't believe all it took was a future first for rondo. I mean what do you think they could have gotten two years ago?

Ty_Lawson
12-18-2014, 07:28 PM
Is this an assumption or is there more to this?

Just an assumption, but i do hope we could get something from this trade...Like http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lqubshy

dhopisthename
12-18-2014, 07:31 PM
some interesting stats for rondo

David Locke ‏@Lockedonsports 3m3 minutes ago
Boston was a better offensive team and a better defensive team with Rondo on the bench than on the floor

Details
David Locke ‏@Lockedonsports 4m4 minutes ago
Only 4 offensive players use a possession at a lower rate than Rondo - Ronnie Price, Nate Wolters, Elfrid Payton and Jason Thompson

Details
David Locke ‏@Lockedonsports 6m6 minutes ago
Rajon Rondo is using 14 possessions a night at .65 pts per possession one of the worst offensive players in the NBA

AnthonyTyrael2
12-18-2014, 07:32 PM
Hopefully the next steps for adding depth and strength will click in too.

Rivera
12-18-2014, 07:32 PM
Great fit for Rondos game. Love Carlisle coaching Rondo as well. Could be a renaissance for Rondo. I'm really liking the Mavs

Aust
12-18-2014, 07:32 PM
Thank god.
:dance:

Ariza's Better
12-18-2014, 07:33 PM
Thank god Houston dropped out of the Rondo discussions. Well done to Dallas, they upgraded their weakest position.

poochmcgee
12-18-2014, 07:33 PM
I like the deal for both sides. DAL got a player who I think will help them win and BOS continued it's rebuilding efforts with another pick.

What kinda pick tho, this aint the NFL and a late 1st aint anything special half the time..

Max.This
12-18-2014, 07:34 PM
Is this an assumption or is there more to this?

Ray allen has beef with rondo. He was the reason why he left the celtics in the first place. Id be shocked if he went to the mavs

Shareeb_omac2
12-18-2014, 07:34 PM
People don't seem to remember the Mavs won a title with Jason Kidd scoring 8 points a game on like 38% shooting. Only thing he did offensively was pass and hit 3's.

Maybe Rondo can develop a 3 point shot like Kidd did late in his career. Dirk has been working with Parsons a lot on his shot, just bring Rondo in on the study sessions lol.

B'sCeltsPatsSox
12-18-2014, 07:35 PM
545723685135728641

lol

AnthonyTyrael2
12-18-2014, 07:36 PM
some interesting stats for rondo

David Locke ‏@Lockedonsports 3m3 minutes ago
Boston was a better offensive team and a better defensive team with Rondo on the bench than on the floor

Details
David Locke ‏@Lockedonsports 4m4 minutes ago
Only 4 offensive players use a possession at a lower rate than Rondo - Ronnie Price, Nate Wolters, Elfrid Payton and Jason Thompson

Details
David Locke ‏@Lockedonsports 6m6 minutes ago
Rajon Rondo is using 14 possessions a night at .65 pts per possession one of the worst offensive players in the NBA

Against all odds.Loving it. Dirk is having one of the worst plus minus this year too. So what? Still gonna kill most match ups day in and out.

We don't need Rondos scoring, we need most other things he usually gives his team.

Shareeb_omac2
12-18-2014, 07:37 PM
Boston has sucked so I feel like any stat he's put up since his injury is a wash anyways. I don't care what his metrics say when he's scraping along the bottom of the east. His number were pretty impressive with a good team around him, which he has again.

Let's just see what happens.

Jenceman
12-18-2014, 07:37 PM
If Dallas just gets the passing and defense needed for Rondo they could possibly be the favorites out west

Aust
12-18-2014, 07:37 PM
Mike Loyko @NEPD_Loyko 21m

Celtics Picks:

2015 Own
2015 LAC
2015 Dal
2015 Phi (2nd)

2016 Own
2016 Nets
2016 Cavs
4 2nd Rounders

2017 C's/Bkln

2018 C's 2018 Nets


Mike Loyko @NEPD_Loyko 22m

#Celtics Create 12 million dollar Trade Exception, which is huge. Can acquire a 12 million dollar player for nothing.

C's future lookin good.

AnthonyTyrael2
12-18-2014, 07:38 PM
What kinda pick tho, this aint the NFL and a late 1st aint anything special half the time..

Except you are the Spurs.

TheNumber37
12-18-2014, 07:39 PM
some interesting stats for rondo

David Locke ‏@Lockedonsports 3m3 minutes ago
Boston was a better offensive team and a better defensive team with Rondo on the bench than on the floor

Details
David Locke ‏@Lockedonsports 4m4 minutes ago
Only 4 offensive players use a possession at a lower rate than Rondo - Ronnie Price, Nate Wolters, Elfrid Payton and Jason Thompson

Details
David Locke ‏@Lockedonsports 6m6 minutes ago
Rajon Rondo is using 14 possessions a night at .65 pts per possession one of the worst offensive players in the NBA

Maverick are number 1 in the league in scoring. Rondo has to play with guys who are capable of getting 20... Dirk, Ellis and Parsons can do that. Rondo won't hurt their offense, and maybe now that he's not just focusing on triple doubles on a losing team... He will play great, D and help the Mavs...

10ppg, 12apg, 4.5rpg... 2.0 steals Shooting from the floor up.

Plays 1 year, signs with Lakers or Knicks... Smart move.. Sign with okc and make Westbrook a 2

WVNowitzki
12-18-2014, 07:39 PM
Wooooooooooo

Max.This
12-18-2014, 07:40 PM
People don't seem to remember the Mavs won a title with Jason Kidd scoring 8 points a game on like 38% shooting. Only thing he did offensively was pass and hit 3's.

Maybe Rondo can develop a 3 point shot like Kidd did late in his career. Dirk has been working with Parsons a lot on his shot, just bring Rondo in on the study sessions lol.

rondo developing a 3 point shot?Never say never but... hes gotta atleast hit 50% from the free throw line before moving farther out to the 3 point. Rondo to tyson lobs are going to be epic. How well does monta play off the ball?

AnthonyTyrael2
12-18-2014, 07:41 PM
People don't seem to remember the Mavs won a title with Jason Kidd scoring 8 points a game on like 38% shooting. Only thing he did offensively was pass and hit 3's.

Maybe Rondo can develop a 3 point shot like Kidd did late in his career. Dirk has been working with Parsons a lot on his shot, just bring Rondo in on the study sessions lol.

You do know that Dirk is shooting currently below .200 from the three point line over almost half the season and is usually losing against Harris in practice. Dunno what is wrong with him right now.

Aust
12-18-2014, 07:41 PM
Mike Loyko @NEPD_Loyko 57s

Danny Ainge got Rajon Rondo for free (bought draft pick from Phoenix) and traded him for basically a 1st round pick.

Ha, wow, I never knew this

Gibby23
12-18-2014, 07:42 PM
Ha, wow, I never knew this

They didn't pay him for all those years?

Corey
12-18-2014, 07:44 PM
Rondo will produce because of his supporting cast. He'll look great and cash in.

Love it for Boston. Stockpile the young talent.

corky831
12-18-2014, 07:44 PM
Rondo stopped playing D a few yrs ago lol. He can still pass the rock.....which is all Dallas needs with the offensive weapons they have, but he had to leave Boston. We drafted Marcus Smart for a reason.

Shareeb_omac2
12-18-2014, 07:44 PM
You do know that Dirk is shooting currently below .200 from the three point line over almost half the season and is usually losing against Harris in practice. Dunno what is wrong with him right now.
He's shooting 34% from 3...

Vee-Rex
12-18-2014, 07:46 PM
From watching tons of Celtics games, I believe this is enough to put the Mavs in the top 5 in the entire NBA. Rondo sorts of coasts through regular season games and step it up 10 notches in the playoffs, especially now that he'll be playing for a contender.

Dallas will be a nightmare matchup for anyone in the west. Great deal for the Mavs.

jerellh528
12-18-2014, 07:46 PM
Whew! So happy lakers didn't get him, rondo sucks.

AnthonyTyrael2
12-18-2014, 07:48 PM
He's shooting 34% from 3...

For the season. And over the past 11, 12 games? Right. 200

.192 over his last twelve. 10 of 52 attempts. Watched all but one game. He's poor from the outside right now. Just wait till he goes off again and streaks them.

Blitzbolt
12-18-2014, 07:50 PM
Pelicans clippers and Grizz going after Green now.BOS wants a first for him.

smith&wesson
12-18-2014, 07:55 PM
You do know that Dirk is shooting currently below .200 from the three point line over almost half the season and is usually losing against Harris in practice. Dunno what is wrong with him right now.

Dirk is shooting 34% from 3 and harris is a pg.. how is Dirk losing against him in practice :confused: i dont get it.

mjt20mik
12-18-2014, 07:57 PM
All i gotta say is looking at those BOS draft picks.. they totally ****ed BK lol

smith&wesson
12-18-2014, 07:57 PM
for those saying Rondo cant shoot, thats fine... they are the best scoring team in the league. they didnt need another scorer. they needed and got a true pass fist pg who can play d and facilitate the ball. Rondo has a bunch of scoreres around him and a defensive anchor in Tyson Chandler. He will excell in Dallas. Good get for the Mavs!!!

AnthonyTyrael2
12-18-2014, 07:59 PM
Couple years ago Celtics and Lakers met in Finals....and now... Just sad.

SeoulBeatz
12-18-2014, 08:00 PM
That Mavs starting 5 is looking pretty dangerous right now. This is the perfect environment for Rondo to excel, surrounded by shooters.

corky831
12-18-2014, 08:04 PM
I'm confused on how everyone is talking about rondo playing D......he hasn't played D in yrs lol. He can still pass the rock and rebound for a pg, but he doesn't play D at all.

AnthonyTyrael2
12-18-2014, 08:05 PM
Dirk is shooting 34% from 3 and harris is a pg.. how is Dirk losing against him in practice :confused: i dont get it.

I see that you don't. What has their position to do with them facing each other in practice shot outs against each ofter? And why bring up his 34% all the time which he is shooting over the course of the season but not over the past games? All I'm trying to do is to tell guys who don't watch Mavs nor Dirk much lately, that his three isn't money right now. So what is difficult?

cmellofan15
12-18-2014, 08:05 PM
Rondo is awful....not sure if the Mavericks can turn him around with his play style and attitude but best of luck to them.

Pakman
12-18-2014, 08:07 PM
It's pretty clear who the best team in Texas is. Going for it all Dallas.

SeoulBeatz
12-18-2014, 08:11 PM
All i gotta say is looking at those BOS draft picks.. they totally ****ed BK lol

One of the worst trades in recent memory. I'm amazed that Billy King has a job after how he ruined the Sixers (and currently the Nets)

SeoulBeatz
12-18-2014, 08:13 PM
Rondo is awful....not sure if the Mavericks can turn him around with his play style and attitude but best of luck to them.

Rondo has a poor attitude, that's a given, but he excels when he's surrounded by primary scoring options because he's arguably the best passer in the game. I expect big things from in in Dallas.

Shareeb_omac2
12-18-2014, 08:19 PM
For the season. And over the past 11, 12 games? Right. 200

.192 over his last twelve. 10 of 52 attempts. Watched all but one game. He's poor from the outside right now. Just wait till he goes off again and streaks them.
Lol what point are you even trying to make? Dirk has a rough 11 game stretch shooting from 3 and it erases the fact that he is historically one of the best shooters ever? I don't get where you are going with that. Dirk is still extremely efficient as a shooter in all areas on the court and prior to those 11 games had to have shot pretty damn well to keep his shooting percent at 34% on the season. If Dirk is shooting 20% from 3 at the end of the year then we will have worries.

goingfor28
12-18-2014, 08:21 PM
Pelicans clippers and Grizz going after Green now.BOS wants a first for him.

where you hear this? jeff green would be a great add to clips and grizz

FlashBolt
12-18-2014, 08:21 PM
I think we can all agree that Mavs are the best team right now. Who is going to keep Rondo in check? The guy who puts up with no garbage from anyone -- Mark Cuban. All of you guys are hating on Rondo because offensively, he sucks. True, but this guy is still one of the best PG's. Mavs are going to utilize him very well IMO.

Bruno
12-18-2014, 08:21 PM
I'm pretty surprised that after all these years of standing pat, that they FINALLY trade him for this mediocre package. but I get it. Boston screwed themselves because they didn't trade him last year. you can only get so much for a guy who is expiring. but then again tell that to the wolves.

it has exposed Bostons focus. develop Marcus Smart. as it should be, imo.

pebloemer
12-18-2014, 08:25 PM
I like Chandler and Dirk, but the depth behind them is very thin without Wright. I'm not totally convinced this makes Dallas a whole lot better. Maybe its just that I've never been a huge fan of Rondo. He certainly has his talents, but his shot looks so bad right now. And he's missed a ton of games due to injury the past few years.

A risk for Dallas. Definitely an upgrade at PG, but at the cost of depth (IMO very valuable depth in Wright).

PAOboston
12-18-2014, 08:25 PM
I'm pretty surprised that after all these years of standing pat, that they FINALLY trade him for this mediocre package. but I get it. Boston screwed themselves because they didn't trade him last year. you can only get so much for a guy who is expiring. but then again tell that to the wolves.

it has exposed Bostons focus. develop Marcus Smart. as it should be, imo.
They couldn't trade him last year because he was coming off an acl injury and his value was low. The time to trade him was a the year before but he tore his acl in November.

nandovelez
12-18-2014, 08:26 PM
So i guess wilts fg record will stay safe now that wright will play more lol

ThuglifeJ
12-18-2014, 08:27 PM
SA, Memphis, golden state, and Dallas are the 4 best teams in the league. I'm terrified for these playoffs.

I'm not sure how long itl take for that lineup to work but it sure has potential. I see a lengthy adjustment period for them though.

nandovelez
12-18-2014, 08:29 PM
If rondo takes no shots in a game he might be able to break the assist record in a game

rockets-fan
12-18-2014, 08:34 PM
People keep saying that rondo sucks, but I think this was a great move by dallas. Oh was their weakest position and they don't need Rondo scoring (which is good because he can't) . Ellis, parsons and Dirk can get you 50+ a night

rockets-fan
12-18-2014, 08:34 PM
People keep saying that rondo sucks, but I think this was a great move by dallas. Oh was their weakest position and they don't need Rondo scoring (which is good because he can't) . Ellis, parsons and Dirk can get you 50+ any given night.

bagwell368
12-18-2014, 08:36 PM
Thank god Rondo is gone from my team. Selfish, immature, coach killing, erratic douche bag. I'm happy with the package given how deep into decline he is, and how much he's been hurt, and how many games he takes off every year.

BKLYNpigeon
12-18-2014, 08:36 PM
Great Trade by Mavericks.

I feel like the asking price for Rondo was much higher last year.

aman_13
12-18-2014, 08:40 PM
Thank god Rondo is gone from my team. Selfish, immature, coach killing, erratic douche bag. I'm happy with the package given how deep into decline he is, and how much he's been hurt, and how many games he takes off every year.

I like the return for the Celtics as well all things considered.

bagwell368
12-18-2014, 08:40 PM
If rondo takes no shots in a game he might be able to break the assist record in a game

He loves records. He rips rebounds out of his teammates hands to get his triple doubles. Passes up bunnies to get more assists. Just remember he goes out of his way when he's National TV, but takes a powder on local TV games. Oh you'll love this guy... check out how many games he's missed these last 4 years. He chased Doc out of town, and Ray Allen too. Yup. Good luck with that.

bagwell368
12-18-2014, 08:41 PM
Great Trade by Mavericks.

I feel like the asking price for Rondo was much higher last year.

He's a FA, and a year older. That makes a big difference... also the C's could see it was brain dead to extend this cancer. Maybe he'll reform but don't count on it. Don't expect any D either.

WVNowitzki
12-18-2014, 08:42 PM
He's a FA, and a year older. That makes a big difference...

He wasn't going to get traded to Dallas without an agreement that he will sign an extension.

bagwell368
12-18-2014, 08:44 PM
He wasn't going to get traded to Dallas without an agreement that he will sign an extension.

He was talking a max deal, you better hope he doesn't get it there. He's been going downhill since 2008-2009 - look it up.

Max.This
12-18-2014, 08:46 PM
damn. Rondo is my favorite player, was he really that big of a pain in boston? I know hes been sitting out during crunch time which is a bad sign

bagwell368
12-18-2014, 08:47 PM
for those saying Rondo cant shoot, thats fine... they are the best scoring team in the league. they didnt need another scorer. they needed and got a true pass fist pg who can play d and facilitate the ball. Rondo has a bunch of scoreres around him and a defensive anchor in Tyson Chandler. He will excell in Dallas. Good get for the Mavs!!!

He hasn't played D since the Perkins deal. It was a choice at first now he just can't do it. Look at his games missed over the last 4 years too. Then look up his stats on National TV vs local games.

Sportfan
12-18-2014, 08:49 PM
This is a great trade for the Mavs, and when you look closely a bad trade for Boston.

While I don't like this deal as a separate entity alone at all, if Ainge can make some corresponding moves I can buy into his plan. He either needs to blow it up and trade the rest of the team as well or use all his assests to make a blockbuster sometime by next summer.

If I'm ainge move everything you can right
Jeff Green-top 10 SF this year without a doubt, but he will opt out of here. We need to cash in his value is the highest its been since the OKC days. Honestly his value should be higher than Rondo's considering he's been healthy, consistent, 2 year favorable contract, and a position of much greater need. I think a lot of teams will have interest in Green and he should net us a nice prospect or first.
Avery Bradley-I love Avery but another guy who just isn't going to help us and is more valuable to a contender a lot like Rondo. I'm not sure if Bradley has any value though, his contract is pretty bleh.
Marcus Thornton/Bass should hopefully be able to get absorbed by someone's TPE, if not then waived. Quality bench pieces who aren't going to help this team in a positive way.
Zeller/Sully/Oly-I'm sure Zeller will be the popular pick to move (which has some merit since I doubt he can play this way without Rondo) but I would consider moving Sullinger or Olynyk honestly. They should have some value and I like both of them but they will never be able to work together on the court because of their defensive deficiencies. Tough call who to move to be honest. Sully has the rebounding while Olynyk has the passing. Olynyk seems more versatile as a combo PF/C and has a year more on his contract so I'd probably trade Sullinger since he probably has more value.
Turner should stay since he's cheap and locked in past next year and can probably build himself up with Rondo gone. This is an Arron Affalo like situation for him.

Ainge has to realize Boston needs to tank now. If Boston can get to 5-7 range pick 20 and 25 from DAL/LAC (it's 22 and 24 right now) plus pick 31 (from PHI) and pick 36-40 we're talking 5 picks in the top 40.

Next year they have Nets/Cavs/Celtics/Sixers second so that's probably another 4 picks in the top 40 with 2 possible lotto picks.

Ainge can clear the cap get 6 first round talents (3 likely lotto's) plus 2 picks in the 30's this year and possibly another pick in the 30s in 2016 to go along with Marcus Smart, KO/Sully and hopefully James Young/Dwight Powell if they can pan out. Plus all of their contracts run out other than Bradley (who will only be 25 in the summer of 2016, that just sounds crazy) so they have cap space and the 2017 swap option with the Nets along with 2018 Nets+Celtics picks. And that's under the assumption they get nothing of value from Green and the rest of the squad.

So yeah it blows that Rondo got traded for crap, but if the Celtics can blow it all up right now it wont be a big deal over the long run. I just wish we traded him last year (not even 2-3 years ago when his value was double) and land Randle/Exum or Mclemore/Kings 1st to add to the current crop.

Ainge has a lot of pressure on him though. He HAS to hit on those draft picks and I think regardless he will be on the hot seat starting this offseason. HE doesn't have to necessarily create a winning team immediately but if fans don't see a player who could be a future franchise player soon Ainge could be out .

As for the Mavs I'll defitantly be rooting them, wish they still had VC though. I'm a fan of Dirk/Parsons/Tyson and even the bench squad like RJ/Harris/Cancer patient are fun dudes (gotta get rid of Fat Felton though). Wishful thinking, but if Rondo can convince KG/Pierce to team up with him in Dallas...:pray: I'm sure Mav fans won't want their old ***** on the team haha but it would be great for nostalgia. Rockets with Parsons/Harden after the Harden trade first happend were my team but with CP gone and Dwight there I'll probably be rooting for Dallas/GSW to win it all.

WVNowitzki
12-18-2014, 08:50 PM
He was talking a max deal, you better hope he doesn't get it there. He's been going downhill since 2008-2009 - look it up.

He can talk about a max deal all he wants, he isn't worth it and not gonna get it in Dallas. That's just fact, but he will sign an extension of some sort.

Sportfan
12-18-2014, 08:50 PM
He hasn't played D since the Perkins deal. It was a choice at first now he just can't do it. Look at his games missed over the last 4 years too. Then look up his stats on National TV vs local games.

His D is bad but playing with Tyson gives him the best defensive center he's had since Perk, probably ever (not sure if Tyson has been back to him old self).

koreancabbage
12-18-2014, 08:50 PM
great trade though Wright would have a been a great weapon for Rondo.

bunch of bench players for Rondo. what a steal for Dallas.

BlondeBomber41
12-18-2014, 08:56 PM
Marc Stein was just on ESPN radio in Dallas and he said the reason Rondo ended up in Dallas was because the Mavs were the only team offering young talent.

He said the Lakers offered Nash/1st, the Knicks offered Bargnani/1st... but nobody was offering a 1st and young talent like Wright/Crowder.

In case anyone was curious why Boston went with this deal.

Bruno
12-18-2014, 08:57 PM
They couldn't trade him last year because he was coming off an acl injury and his value was low. The time to trade him was a the year before but he tore his acl in November.

any lower than it is right now as an expiring contract?

I totally agree with your last sentence.

WVNowitzki
12-18-2014, 08:57 PM
His D is bad but playing with Tyson gives him the best defensive center he's had since Perk, probably ever (not sure if Tyson has been back to him old self).

Tyson is playing better than he did in 2011 when he won a championship.

bagwell368
12-18-2014, 08:59 PM
I think we can all agree that Mavs are the best team right now. Who is going to keep Rondo in check? The guy who puts up with no garbage from anyone -- Mark Cuban. All of you guys are hating on Rondo because offensively, he sucks. True, but this guy is still one of the best PG's. Mavs are going to utilize him very well IMO.

I've seen a lot more of Rondo than anyone posting here. I hate him because he's childish and divisive. Tubby Smith, Ainge, and Doc all labeled him uncoachable. He doesn't practice as instructed or run the offense as told (both claimed by Doc).

He broke team video equipment in a moment of pique. He yelled at cameramen for no reason. He started a fight with Cedric Maxwell - C's broadcaster and X Finals MVP. Ainge admitted to trying to deal him several times as early as 2009. He pouted for 20 games after the Perkins deal costing the C's the #1 seed in the East, and retarding the ability of the two new guys to fiit in. He's not about the team, he's about his own stats and ideas. He grabs rebounds away from his teammates chasing triple doubles. He passes up bunnies to try and win the APG "title" in any given year.

He can look great for days or weeks, but always screws it up. Good luck to you, I'm glad he's gone. It drives me crazy when kids talks about him being a leader or a Celtic Great. He's no KG, Bird, Cowens, Havlicek, or Russell. Not even close. Don't let the door hit you on the way out you stiff.

koreancabbage
12-18-2014, 09:01 PM
Rondo and Chandler - that is some sick defense there. Probably turn into one of the best defensive teams moving forward.

Sportfan
12-18-2014, 09:02 PM
Marc Stein was just on ESPN radio in Dallas and he said the reason Rondo ended up in Dallas was because the Mavs were the only team offering young talent.

He said the Lakers offered Nash/1st, the Knicks offered Bargnani/1st... but nobody was offering a 1st and young talent like Wright/Crowder.

In case anyone was curious why Boston went with this deal.

Stein is ********. Crowder and Wright aren't even considered young by NBA standards and Knicks/Lakers firsts have more value. I also doubt a team like Houston didn't have young talent available since they were rumored involved as well.

Sportfan
12-18-2014, 09:03 PM
Rondo and Chandler - that is some sick defense there. Probably turn into one of the best defensive teams moving forward.

Rondo's D has sucked the past 3 seasons but I will be surprised if he doesn't go back to being a top 10 guard defender in Dallas.

bagwell368
12-18-2014, 09:04 PM
He can talk about a max deal all he wants, he isn't worth it and not gonna get it in Dallas. That's just fact, but he will sign an extension of some sort.

'sI went into this before the deal. His agents told him he's no max player, so take less and claim you're doing it for the team and how much you believe in what they are doing.

I honestly like the Mavs, but I'm very glad he's out of Boston. I started a one man effort to expose him here and elsewhere after the Perk deal when he revealed himself to be a selfish moody git.

BlondeBomber41
12-18-2014, 09:05 PM
As for any character issues, I'm not concerned. People said that stuff about Monta Ellis. Vince Carter. Tyson Chandler. DeShawn Stevenson. Even Jason Terry back in the day.

Sportfan
12-18-2014, 09:05 PM
Couple years ago Celtics and Lakers met in Finals....and now... Just sad.

? Rondo was the only all star player in that finals (5 years ago) that was under 30, it's no surprise that those teams were at their peak back then

That's like comparing the 2009 pistons to 2004...

bagwell368
12-18-2014, 09:05 PM
Rondo's D has sucked the past 3 seasons but I will be surprised if he doesn't go back to being a top 10 guard defender in Dallas.

That might have been true before the injury but with that and age? Forget it. Don't forget that's the West, not the sophomore wannabes in the East he's been facing.

Sportfan
12-18-2014, 09:06 PM
As for any character issues, I'm not concerned. People said that stuff about Monta Ellis. Vince Carter. Tyson Chandler. DeShawn Stevenson. Even Jason Terry back in the day.

Character concerns have always been overblown. Rondo will respect a guy like Carlisle and vets like Tyson/Dirk who have a high IQ for the game. There's also a lot less pressure on him to do more

BlondeBomber41
12-18-2014, 09:07 PM
Marc Stein was just on ESPN radio in Dallas and he said the reason Rondo ended up in Dallas was because the Mavs were the only team offering young talent.

He said the Lakers offered Nash/1st, the Knicks offered Bargnani/1st... but nobody was offering a 1st and young talent like Wright/Crowder.

In case anyone was curious why Boston went with this deal.

Stein is ********. Crowder and Wright aren't even considered young by NBA standards and Knicks/Lakers firsts have more value. I also doubt a team like Houston didn't have young talent available since they were rumored involved as well.

The Knicks/Lakers were offering 1sts owned by other teams, just to be clear.

GiantsSwaGG
12-18-2014, 09:09 PM
I don't like this trade for the Mavs

First how does Rondo fit?

Him and Ellis need the ball in their hands, this my hurt Ellis's game imo

koreancabbage
12-18-2014, 09:09 PM
Rondo's D has sucked the past 3 seasons but I will be surprised if he doesn't go back to being a top 10 guard defender in Dallas.

I think he will be okay in Dallas. should get him motivated that he's playing on a contending team

Sportfan
12-18-2014, 09:09 PM
That might have been true before the injury but with that and age? Forget it. Don't forget that's the West, not the sophomore wannabes in the East he's been facing.

Eh, you raise a good point on the west style being tougher, but Rondo's arms haven't gotten any shorter I'm sure with Tyson behind him he'll become more of the lane attacker and rack up nice steal numbers. Without a doubt he'll be looking to prove everyone wrong and treat every game like national TV for the first few weeks

Sportfan
12-18-2014, 09:12 PM
The Knicks/Lakers were offering 1sts owned by other teams, just to be clear.

That makes more sense. Either way, I'm not sure why Boston was so urgent to do this now and not wait till the deadline given how competitive the top of the league is. Even more surprised Morey didn't try to stick it to Cuban and at least try to drive up the price which they could have easily done.

Wade n Fade
12-18-2014, 09:12 PM
Donnie Nelson and Mark Cuban continue to show their intelligence. Dallas is in the conversation now. They need Chandler and Rondo to remain healthy though. Getting another big to play with high energy, play D, and rebound well is important. Miles Plumlee comes to mind if Brooklyn doesn't mind trading him.

Max.This
12-18-2014, 09:14 PM
The Knicks/Lakers were offering 1sts owned by other teams, just to be clear.

idk if thats even possible lol. Knicks have their 2015 and 2016 gives right for denver to swap picks. Seeing as denver will probably be just as bad if not worse in 2016 we'll most likely keep our pick. Cant speak on the lakers, but the knicks picks are way more valuable than the mavs. However i am surprised the knicks didnt even throw out shump, larkin, early or even tim jr. Shows Phil doesnt really want rondo and just wanted to test to see if we could get him for an expiring and pick.

BlondeBomber41
12-18-2014, 09:15 PM
The Knicks/Lakers were offering 1sts owned by other teams, just to be clear.

That makes more sense. Either way, I'm not sure why Boston was so urgent to do this now and not wait till the deadline given how competitive the top of the league is. Even more surprised Morey didn't try to stick it to Cuban and at least try to drive up the price which they could have easily done.

1. No kidding about Morey. Was fully expecting that.

2. Also according to Stein, the Celtics moved now because they want flexibility to move the players acquired again before the deadline if they choose to. I imagine there is a contender that wouldn't mind Nelson off their bench.

0nekhmer
12-18-2014, 09:20 PM
Well then.. I think this might hurt my fantasy team than help.. I have both dirk and parsons. Parsons was already the odd man out, now he will be a catch and shoot player.. Dirk is a iso player too, and his numbers have dropped substantially. This is great..

mjt20mik
12-18-2014, 09:24 PM
Well then.. I think this might hurt my fantasy team than help.. I have both dirk and parsons. Parsons was already the odd man out, now he will be a catch and shoot player.. Dirk is a iso player too, and his numbers have dropped substantially. This is great..

I have Rondo. Assists numbers are gonna go up :)

SF8
12-18-2014, 09:39 PM
This is such a BS trade, I don't see how the NBA doesn't veto this one.

The Mavs are getting a superstar top 5 PG for scrubs and one 1st rd pick. No f***king way.

Dallas has to add at least 2 more unprotected first rd picks to make this even remotely fair.

PAOboston
12-18-2014, 09:44 PM
They couldn't trade him last year because he was coming off an acl injury and his value was low. The time to trade him was a the year before but he tore his acl in November.

any lower than it is right now as an expiring contract?

I totally agree with your last sentence.
I don't think they ever expected him to be thaaaat bad offensively. I actually think he'll do pretty well in Dallas. They've got to tools to mask his flaws for the most part so he should be a total train wreck like it was in Boston the past 1.5 years.

bagwell368
12-18-2014, 09:49 PM
Character concerns have always been overblown. Rondo will respect a guy like Carlisle and vets like Tyson/Dirk who have a high IQ for the game. There's also a lot less pressure on him to do more

As you well know I've documented the heck out of these issues. His issues are not overblown. He thinks he's a mastermind and that's that. He' not personable and he's stubborn as hell.

pebloemer
12-18-2014, 09:50 PM
This is such a BS trade, I don't see how the NBA doesn't veto this one.

The Mavs are getting a superstar top 5 PG for scrubs and one 1st rd pick. No f***king way.

Dallas has to add at least 2 more unprotected first rd picks to make this even remotely fair.

You have Rondo as a Top 5 PG?

Paul, Westbrook, Curry, Wall, Lowry, Lillard, Irving, Conley, Rose, Dragic, Parker

I'd take any of those over Rondo and consider players like Lawson, D.Will and Teague as well.

Maybe I'm just crazy.

And in no way is Brandon Wright a scrub.

bagwell368
12-18-2014, 09:52 PM
This is such a BS trade, I don't see how the NBA doesn't veto this one.

The Mavs are getting a superstar top 5 PG for scrubs and one 1st rd pick. No f***king way.

Dallas has to add at least 2 more unprotected first rd picks to make this even remotely fair.

Rondo's league PG rank the past few years:

12th
14th
14th
28th
~22nd

He hasn't been top 8 in six seasons, stop listening to the talking heads and start watching the games.

SF8
12-18-2014, 09:53 PM
You have Rondo as a Top 5 PG?

Paul, Westbrook, Curry, Wall, Lowry, Lillard, Irving, Conley, Rose, Dragic, Parker

I'd take any of those over Rondo and consider players like Lawson, D.Will and Teague as well.

Maybe I'm just crazy.

And in no way is Brandon Wright a scrub.
I would defnintely take Rondo over Irving, Wall, Rose, Dragic and Parker. Ok so maybe not top 5 but still top 6.

And Brandon Wright is a former #8 overall pick who has never lived up to potential. If he was any good, Dallas wouldn't have had guys like Samuel Dalembert starting over him. He sucks, that's why they made the trade to get Tyson Chandler back to Dallas.

Wright is nothing but a journeyman center who has been on like 4 different teams already and none of them thought he was good enough to keep.

Rivera
12-18-2014, 09:55 PM
Pelicans clippers and Grizz going after Green now.BOS wants a first for him.

Jeff green on the Clippers or Grizz would be pretty filthy

Ty Fast
12-18-2014, 09:56 PM
Pelicans clippers and Grizz going after Green now.BOS wants a first for him.

Clippers should do that

bagwell368
12-18-2014, 10:03 PM
I would defnintely take Rondo over Irving, Wall, Rose, Dragic and Parker. Ok so maybe not top 5 but still top 6.

And Brandon Wright is a former #8 overall pick who has never lived up to potential. If he was any good, Dallas wouldn't have had guys like Samuel Dalembert starting over him. He sucks, that's why they made the trade to get Tyson Chandler back to Dallas.

Wright is nothing but a journeyman center who has been on like 4 different teams already and none of them thought he was good enough to keep.

Wall, Conley, Dragic and Parker annihilate Rondo. Rose is hurt more than Rondo and Irving is not a finished product.

Vast overrating of Rondo due IMO to too much listening to talking heads and not watching the games.

pebloemer
12-18-2014, 10:05 PM
I would defnintely take Rondo over Irving, Wall, Rose, Dragic and Parker. Ok so maybe not top 5 but still top 6.

And Brandon Wright is a former #8 overall pick who has never lived up to potential. If he was any good, Dallas wouldn't have had guys like Samuel Dalembert starting over him. He sucks, that's why they made the trade to get Tyson Chandler back to Dallas.

Wright is nothing but a journeyman center who has been on like 4 different teams already and none of them thought he was good enough to keep.

It is pointless comparing a PG to a PF/C because the skill sets are so completely different, but for fun, consider this:

Over the past 4 seasons, Wright has converted 710 of his past 1103 2PT FG attempts (64.3%)
Over his CAREER, Rondo has converted 970 of his 1418 1PT FT attempts (61.4%)

Or Wright is a late blooming talent who absolutely excels in a meaningful role and was good enough that Dallas wanted him back when he was a free agent.

I'm not saying Rondo sucks. But Dallas is giving something significant, that they obviously value here in Wright. If they weren't, they wouldn't have resigned him. They wouldn't have held the trade process by not wanting to include him (as rumoured). And I'm guessing, they are concerned with their ability to resign him in the off-season for what will be a healthy market value.

PowerHouse
12-18-2014, 10:07 PM
The Mavericks have now grabbed the NBA by the scrotum.

flea
12-18-2014, 10:14 PM
To be honest, I might rather have a pick and the 20s and a solid backup center than Rondo. I don't think him being anything more than the 12th or so best PG is even defensible. For me I think there are 17 or 18 I would take over him, and that's not even including combo guards I'd prefer. But Rondo can do good things on a team where he is the 5th or 6th best player, which he will be for the Mavs. I just worry about whether it messes with the nice chemistry they've developed.

ThuglifeJ
12-18-2014, 10:19 PM
Rondo used to be my favorite pg back a few years...but bagwell may be right, he has watched him a lot closer as of late.

JEDean89
12-18-2014, 10:22 PM
how would the nba be able to veto this trade? the nba owned the hornets when they vetoed, they can only veto if it isn't within the cba agreement.

this is a brilliant trade for the mavs and while they lose that 3rd wheel in their frontcourt, getting a pass first pg like rondo is a dream come true. This team is arguably better than the one he won a chip with in Boston.

HugeKnicksFan82
12-18-2014, 10:26 PM
Can someone tell me how the hell the Mavericks got away with trading 2 consecutive years 1st round round picks in this Rondo trade?? They didn't have a 2014 1st round pick last year and they traded their 1st round 2015 in this trade also which is not allowed.

Sean Moore
12-18-2014, 10:30 PM
Good pick up for Dallas. I actually have both Rondo and Wright on my fantasy team. I wonder how this will affect their perspective values. Rondo leads the league in assists and Wright leads the league in fg%. Hope Wright can get some more minutes out in Boston. Dude gets it done off the bench. Almost two blocks per game in like eighteen minutes.

pebloemer
12-18-2014, 10:31 PM
Can someone tell me how the hell the Mavericks got away with trading 2 consecutive years 1st round round picks in this Rondo trade?? They didn't have a 2014 1st round pick last year and they traded their 1st round 2015 in this trade also which is not allowed.

You cant trade 2 "future" picks. The 2014 pick is no longer "future." That is the wording IIRC.

Crackadalic
12-18-2014, 10:35 PM
This is such a BS trade, I don't see how the NBA doesn't veto this one.

The Mavs are getting a superstar top 5 PG for scrubs and one 1st rd pick. No f***king way.

Dallas has to add at least 2 more unprotected first rd picks to make this even remotely fair.

WTF is this ******** post

I might quit the main forum for a while guys

Sportfan
12-18-2014, 10:35 PM
As you well know I've documented the heck out of these issues. His issues are not overblown. He thinks he's a mastermind and that's that. He' not personable and he's stubborn as hell.

Overblown pretty much meant by people on the forum haha.

The pesonality issues only started when, after the Perk trade in 2011? The downfall of the Big 3.

He is stubborn and an aggressive without a doubt, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad thing. No one has ever said anything negative about Rondo's work ethic. I'm not talking about him coasting through meaningless regular season games (people embrace Popovich for doing it) but the guy plays through injuries and works his *** off in the offseason from what I've read. He can get emotional at times but it shows on and off the court. Rondo doesn't have the skills or the personality to be a leader of a team but he's like the buddy sidekick that has your back who won't take **** from no one which is why he went well with the big 3

Trueblue2
12-18-2014, 10:40 PM
Dallas gonna need a big off the bench. Maybe they'd want Ed Davis. Wonder if Harris and Aminu can be had for him. They can have Wes and/or Price if they need to fill out their line up.

Sean Moore
12-18-2014, 10:44 PM
Rondo's league PG rank the past few years:

12th
14th
14th
28th
~22nd

He hasn't been top 8 in six seasons, stop listening to the talking heads and start watching the games.

What are these rankings based off. Would you happen to be referencing the talking heads that you are completely discrediting simultaneously.

LA_Raiders
12-18-2014, 10:45 PM
Good short term sign by the Mavs.

Jamiecballer
12-18-2014, 10:47 PM
Great deal for Boston prying Wright away. Ainge is such a good GM

Sean Moore
12-18-2014, 10:49 PM
Great deal for Boston prying Wright away. A inge is such a good GM

Funny thing is Wright is ranked 31 in fantasy. Leads the league in fg% last I checked at .748.

WVNowitzki
12-18-2014, 10:50 PM
Dallas gonna need a big off the bench. Maybe they'd want Ed Davis. Wonder if Harris and Aminu can be had for him. They can have Wes and/or Price if they need to fill out their line up.

Jermaine O'Neil is out there or maybe they aren't done trading yet.


Good short term sign by the Mavs.


Short term? He's gonna be in Dallas for a while.

Sportfan
12-18-2014, 10:54 PM
Jermaine O'Neil is out there or maybe they aren't done trading yet.




Short term? He's gonna be in Dallas for a while.

Can you or another Mavs fan explain why Brandon Wright plays so few minutes? I checked and he's only played 30+ minutes 7 times since his rookie year. Seems kind of weird considering he has graded out positvely for years in efficienc and it doesn't seem to be foul trouble. Is it defense? Stamina?

WVNowitzki
12-18-2014, 11:01 PM
Can you or another Mavs fan explain why Brandon Wright plays so few minutes? I checked and he's only played 30+ minutes 7 times since his rookie year. Seems kind of weird considering he has graded out positvely for years in efficienc and it doesn't seem to be foul trouble. Is it defense? Stamina?

Carlisle is weird man, he has young guys on such a short leash. I think maybe perhaps he has lapses in judgement on defense, but offensively, he is one of the most efficient dudes in the game. In fact he is leading the league in FG%.

dtmagnet
12-18-2014, 11:01 PM
Considering Rondo sucked before the big 3 came to be in Boston, I think we will see his play elevate again with the talented roster in Dallas.

Green_Monster
12-18-2014, 11:10 PM
Considering Rondo sucked before the big 3 came to be in Boston, I think we will see his play elevate again with the talented roster in Dallas.

He was a rookie, and he didn't suck.

kingsdelez24
12-18-2014, 11:11 PM
Can you or another Mavs fan explain why Brandon Wright plays so few minutes? I checked and he's only played 30+ minutes 7 times since his rookie year. Seems kind of weird considering he has graded out positvely for years in efficienc and it doesn't seem to be foul trouble. Is it defense? Stamina?

Carlisle is weird man, he has young guys on such a short leash. I think maybe perhaps he has lapses in judgement on defense, but offensively, he is one of the most efficient dudes in the game. In fact he is leading the league in FG%.

He also seems like the kind if player that is only productive playing in spurts like he does

Sportfan
12-18-2014, 11:25 PM
Carlisle is weird man, he has young guys on such a short leash. I think maybe perhaps he has lapses in judgement on defense, but offensively, he is one of the most efficient dudes in the game. In fact he is leading the league in FG%.
Sounds a lot like Doc's style. Yeah his TS% has been consistently great, he defiantly seems like a guy who could produce in a bigger role.


Considering Rondo sucked before the big 3 came to be in Boston, I think we will see his play elevate again with the talented roster in Dallas.
Sucked? He played one season before the big 3 lol and he was a raw rookie and one of the few bright spots during the terrible Suck for Oden year. Rondo was the one guy Ainge refused to add to the KG trade.

Chronz
12-18-2014, 11:29 PM
I have Rondo. Assists numbers are gonna go up :)
By up you mean down.... Ok that wasn't very clever but u get mut drift

ohreally
12-18-2014, 11:43 PM
I think Boston has another deal lined up. Doesn't matter what you think of Rondo, Kobe just said recently that he loves everything about him, and I'm sure he's not alone. Ainge could have gotten a better package, so I have to think there's a reason why he did it now.

smith&wesson
12-18-2014, 11:45 PM
Can you or another Mavs fan explain why Brandon Wright plays so few minutes? I checked and he's only played 30+ minutes 7 times since his rookie year. Seems kind of weird considering he has graded out positvely for years in efficienc and it doesn't seem to be foul trouble. Is it defense? Stamina?

because you can not justify starting him over disco dirk.

Sportfan
12-18-2014, 11:56 PM
because you can not justify starting him over disco dirk.

Obviously, but you would think he would have a few games of extended minutes here or there when Dirk is sitting ou or injured especially since the Mavs had no decent center between Tyson, but he literally has played over 30 minutes 7 times in the past 6 years.

Also the pick is probably a 2016 first with a top 7 protection. Gives Boston 4 firsts in 2016 along with the Philly 2nd which inevitably will be pick 31 haha

Super.
12-19-2014, 12:10 AM
Short term? He's gonna be in Dallas for a while.

No guarantees on that at all. Rondo has said for a while now he wants to test the market.

However Dallas looks to be in good shape with cap space as they clear about 3M off next years cap leaving them at roughly 43M with bird rights for Chandler and Rondo. If they can lure someone else to come, then sign Rondo and Chandler with their bird rights they could have a very potent roster.

But like I said, Rondo really wants to test the market. I cold very easily see him going elsewhere just as much as resigning in Boston.


Considering Rondo sucked before the big 3 came to be in Boston, I think we will see his play elevate again with the talented roster in Dallas.

wat

The Celtics were better across the board when Rondo was playing 2007 then when he was off. Not to mention he was a super raw rookie with almost no shooting ability.

Sly Guy
12-19-2014, 12:11 AM
this is really great for the mavs. They are incredibly scary right now.

BoSox47
12-19-2014, 12:42 AM
Also celtics get a 12 million dollar trade exception in the trade.

B'sCeltsPatsSox
12-19-2014, 01:27 AM
Keith Olbermann said that he was in the green room of the Colbert Report with Cuban finalizing the trade. That's pretty funny.

smith&wesson
12-19-2014, 01:37 AM
Aminu, Barea, Harris, Jefferson, Villanueva isn't a bad bench but the Mavs are one back up big man away from being legit contenders.

MrfadeawayJB
12-19-2014, 01:38 AM
I think this really doesn't help Dallas that much. They lose depth and add a non shooter who's injury prone and questionable character wise. Also doesn't monta need the ball to be effective? Taking the ball out of his hands in favor of rondos doesn't seen like a great strategy

Cracka2HI!
12-19-2014, 01:40 AM
I don't love the fit of Rondo and Ellis. In fact I think I had that in the re-draft and it was judged that backcourt could never make the playoffs. I'm also curious to see how Wright does in the pathetic East. All-Star?

Shareeb_omac2
12-19-2014, 01:51 AM
No guarantees on that at all. Rondo has said for a while now he wants to test the market.

However Dallas looks to be in good shape with cap space as they clear about 3M off next years cap leaving them at roughly 43M with bird rights for Chandler and Rondo. If they can lure someone else to come, then sign Rondo and Chandler with their bird rights they could have a very potent roster.

But like I said, Rondo really wants to test the market. I cold very easily see him going elsewhere just as much as resigning in Boston.



wat

The Celtics were better across the board when Rondo was playing 2007 then when he was off. Not to mention he was a super raw rookie with almost no shooting ability.


Sorry to burst your bubble...

"@WojYahooNBA: In trade talks, remember: Rondo essentially had veto power. No one would trade for him as rental. He had to be committed to sign extension."

BlondeBomber41
12-19-2014, 01:54 AM
Dallas gonna need a big off the bench. Maybe they'd want Ed Davis. Wonder if Harris and Aminu can be had for him. They can have Wes and/or Price if they need to fill out their line up.

They wouldn't give up either for Davis, much less both. Harris is our sixth man and plays both guard spots. Aminu was already a key piece and with Crowder gone he just became a huge piece of our bench.

There are cheaper options via trade and available free agents.

Shareeb_omac2
12-19-2014, 01:55 AM
Can you or another Mavs fan explain why Brandon Wright plays so few minutes? I checked and he's only played 30+ minutes 7 times since his rookie year. Seems kind of weird considering he has graded out positvely for years in efficienc and it doesn't seem to be foul trouble. Is it defense? Stamina?

Carlisle played him primarily with specific lineups. Back when we had Vince we ran a lot of Harris, Carter, Wright lineups that played very well in spurts. Wright catches a lot of sneaky lobs.

smith&wesson
12-19-2014, 01:56 AM
Obviously, but you would think he would have a few games of extended minutes here or there when Dirk is sitting ou or injured especially since the Mavs had no decent center between Tyson, but he literally has played over 30 minutes 7 times in the past 6 years.

Also the pick is probably a 2016 first with a top 7 protection. Gives Boston 4 firsts in 2016 along with the Philly 2nd which inevitably will be pick 31 haha

well he just signed to Dallas this year, Im not sure where he played prior. but yeah I hear what youre saying. Maybe Boston wants to flip him for a pick as well because he is an expiring contract

gatkins11
12-19-2014, 01:56 AM
Dallas gonna need a big off the bench. Maybe they'd want Ed Davis. Wonder if Harris and Aminu can be had for him. They can have Wes and/or Price if they need to fill out their line up.

LOL no shot.

Shareeb_omac2
12-19-2014, 01:57 AM
well he just signed to Dallas this year, Im not sure where he played prior. but yeah I hear what youre saying. Maybe Boston wants to flip him for a pick as well because he is an expiring contract
Wrong he's been with Dallas since 2011 actually.

smith&wesson
12-19-2014, 01:59 AM
Obviously, but you would think he would have a few games of extended minutes here or there when Dirk is sitting ou or injured especially since the Mavs had no decent center between Tyson, but he literally has played over 30 minutes 7 times in the past 6 years.

Also the pick is probably a 2016 first with a top 7 protection. Gives Boston 4 firsts in 2016 along with the Philly 2nd which inevitably will be pick 31 haha

I think Boston may want to flip him for a pick as well. He's an expiring contract so are they really going to resign him ? don't you guys already have Kelly, Sully, and Zeller ... it seems to me either Wright or one of those guys is on his way out along with Green for some more picks.

smith&wesson
12-19-2014, 02:01 AM
Wrong he's been with Dallas since 2011 actually.

really I thought he just signed there on a one year deal.. I stand corrected.

Shareeb_omac2
12-19-2014, 02:02 AM
really I thought he just signed there on a one year deal.. I stand corrected.
He just re-signed with Dallas in 2013 I believe so that's probably what you heard.

Sadds The Gr8
12-19-2014, 02:09 AM
Value wise Dallas wins but I don't like this fit at all...

Not a fan of Rondo and Ellis together.

Also lol at ppl that think Rondo is top 5. This isn't 2011

Super.
12-19-2014, 02:30 AM
Sorry to burst your bubble...

"@WojYahooNBA: In trade talks, remember: Rondo essentially had veto power. No one would trade for him as rental. He had to be committed to sign extension."

Burst what bubble? Rondo is done as a member of the Celtics. There will be no Lester style comeback, I can guarantee it. I don't care whether he resigns with you guys or not, though I wish he does because I for whatever reason have always had a soft spot for Dirk.

There has been no inkling of an extension other than 'Rondo is open to signing one'

Super.
12-19-2014, 02:31 AM
Dallas fans seeming really condescending in here, not entirely sure why, you guys got a heck of a PG for spare parts.

Mr.B
12-19-2014, 02:33 AM
Rondo played his best when he was surrounded by really good vets and a strong veteran coach. Also when he didn't have to be the best player night in and night out. He's now surrounded by the same type of team. He won't have pressure on him to score (or have fans and media crying because he's not scoring 20 a night). Dallas doesn't need him to score. Dallas needs him to be a playmaker, rebound, and play defense. All he has to do is go out there and play how he likes to play and have fun. If he does that Dirk, Parsons, Monte, and Tyson are going to make his life much easier. Monte does handle the ball a lot because he's the best playmaker on the team. People obviously haven't seen though that Monte actually moves very well without the ball. He's become a much better 3 point shooter since coming to Dallas. I don't anticipate there being and issues between Rondo and Monte.

Dallas now needs to go out and sign J. O'Neal or pull off another amazing trade and go get Monroe.

PatsSoxKnicks
12-19-2014, 02:41 AM
I don't love the fit of Rondo and Ellis. In fact I think I had that in the re-draft and it was judged that backcourt could never make the playoffs. I'm also curious to see how Wright does in the pathetic East. All-Star?

Rondo-Monta is a weird fit. Neither can shoot. Also, Rondo in the free-flowing Dallas offense? Kind of weird considering how ball dominant Rondo is. And no, just because you never shoot it doesn't mean you aren't ball dominant (Per SportVu, Rondo has the 16th highest Time of Possession of all players in the NBA) Rondo needs the ball in his hands to facilitate to maximize his abilities but Dallas likes to move the ball around without it sticking in any one players hands. So I don't really get how that'll work. Like Rondo can't play off ball- at all. And Dallas' offense isn't based around any 1 player dominating the ball- can't recall the last time it was.

But that's all fixable if you change your system around, which I'm sure Dallas will do to maximize Rondo's talents. Problem is- neither he or Monta can shoot and thats a really weird backcourt.

Jeffy25
12-19-2014, 03:02 AM
C - Chandler
PF - Dirk
SF - Parsons
SG - Ellis
PG - Rondo
Bench
Harris
Aminu
Barea
Jefferson
Smith
Villy

A solid roster

PatsSoxKnicks
12-19-2014, 03:09 AM
Dallas fans seeming really condescending in here, not entirely sure why, you guys got a heck of a PG for spare parts.

Wouldn't call them spare parts. Both Wright and Crowder are pretty decent. Wright especially- look at his PER/RPM etc. The question is can he give you that in more minutes. But he's a stud in the 18 mins he does play. Excellent on the P&R- in fact ranks 2nd in the P&R this year. And even his defense- while the Mavs are better with him off the court on D- he is good at blocking/contesting shots, protecting the rim and he's good making rotations (good help defense metrics). Stinks guarding one on one but put him in the right situations and I don't think he's that bad defensively. Crowder's pretty decent defensively, tho he's a more puzzling player since the +/- metrics love him even though he doesn't really seem that great at anything.

Also, I don't think it's a coincidence that the Celts got a pair of guys who are good in the +/- metrics (Adjusted), David's one of the proprietors of the metric and he's currently the Celts Director of Scouting. And even a lot of the scouting metrics really like Wright too. Which is why I'm kinda surprised the Mavs traded him- tho I guess he's a FA at the end of the year. But the Mavs subscribe to one of these scouting services so weird. But if they're gonna lose him and end up keeping Rondo, makes sense. Dump Monta at the end of the year and the Rondo trade will look even better.

If Wright does get the mins in Boston, I think he breaks out. Don't think he fouls that much which is normally why some of these awesome per minute players don't get more minutes. Then again, there has to be some reason Dallas hasn't played him some more over the years.

PatsSoxKnicks
12-19-2014, 03:16 AM
C - Chandler
PF - Dirk
SF - Parsons
SG - Ellis
PG - Rondo
Bench
Harris
Aminu
Barea
Jefferson
Smith
Villy

A solid roster

That still lacks defense. Their 20th in defensive efficiency if I'm not mistaken and they lack wing defense. Also, Rondo's been quite terrible on defense this year (DRPM aside, which isn't as stable this early in the season). Scout metrics back this up too. Plus, just watch him and his effort has sucked this year. The switch in teams might help but he's still going to gamble a lot and he's not going to help Dallas guard any bigger wings. Though I suppose if they can avoid Houston, Golden State, San Antonio, and OKC, they can avoid having to run into teams with good wings. But thats kinda unavoidable if they want to get to the Finals.

tredigs
12-19-2014, 03:23 AM
That still lacks defense. Their 20th in defensive efficiency if I'm not mistaken and they lack wing defense. Also, Rondo's been quite terrible on defense this year (DRPM aside, which isn't as stable this early in the season). Scout metrics back this up too. Plus, just watch him and his effort has sucked this year. The switch in teams might help but he's still going to gamble a lot and he's not going to help Dallas guard any bigger wings. Though I suppose if they can avoid Houston, Golden State, San Antonio, and OKC, they can avoid having to run into teams with good wings. But thats kinda unavoidable if they want to get to the Finals.

100% Agree. They're in trouble defensively, and that certainly did not change with this trade. Also, it's a really tough move for Monta as defenses are now going to suck in an extra foot in the paint by default in order to thwart team drives (without the pain of having to worry about the 3 ball). Rondo's a really tough PG on SG's who are slashers.

SF8
12-19-2014, 03:24 AM
It is pointless comparing a PG to a PF/C because the skill sets are so completely different, but for fun, consider this:

Over the past 4 seasons, Wright has converted 710 of his past 1103 2PT FG attempts (64.3%)
Over his CAREER, Rondo has converted 970 of his 1418 1PT FT attempts (61.4%)

Or Wright is a late blooming talent who absolutely excels in a meaningful role and was good enough that Dallas wanted him back when he was a free agent.

I'm not saying Rondo sucks. But Dallas is giving something significant, that they obviously value here in Wright. If they weren't, they wouldn't have resigned him. They wouldn't have held the trade process by not wanting to include him (as rumoured). And I'm guessing, they are concerned with their ability to resign him in the off-season for what will be a healthy market value.

If Wright is as good as you say he is, why has played for like 5 different teams already?

PatsSoxKnicks
12-19-2014, 03:33 AM
100% Agree. They're in trouble defensively, and that certainly did not change with this trade. Also, it's a really tough move for Monta as defenses are now going to suck in an extra foot in the paint by default in order to thwart team drives (without the pain of having to worry about the 3 ball). Rondo's a really tough PG on SG's who are slashers.

I'm guessing they're looking at the future too and hoping to sign Rondo long term and then move on from Monta after the year. Find a shooter to play next to Rondo and then the pieces fit much better.

But they aren't winning unless their D improves, which I don't see happening.

PatsSoxKnicks
12-19-2014, 03:36 AM
If Wright is as good as you say he is, why has played for like 5 different teams already?

What? He's been in Dallas the last 4 seasons and was with 2 other teams- GS where he started his career and that was for 2.5 years. Then got dealt and went to the Nets for a half season. Then ended up in Dallas. He's really not been moving around as much as you think....

And he only started getting more minutes in Dallas.

DitchDat
12-19-2014, 04:35 AM
The Mavs just got a lot better. Great situation for Rondo to be in. He just has to dish it out.

Super.
12-19-2014, 05:55 AM
Wouldn't call them spare parts. Both Wright and Crowder are pretty decent. Wright especially- look at his PER/RPM etc. The question is can he give you that in more minutes. But he's a stud in the 18 mins he does play. Excellent on the P&R- in fact ranks 2nd in the P&R this year. And even his defense- while the Mavs are better with him off the court on D- he is good at blocking/contesting shots, protecting the rim and he's good making rotations (good help defense metrics). Stinks guarding one on one but put him in the right situations and I don't think he's that bad defensively. Crowder's pretty decent defensively, tho he's a more puzzling player since the +/- metrics love him even though he doesn't really seem that great at anything.

Also, I don't think it's a coincidence that the Celts got a pair of guys who are good in the +/- metrics (Adjusted), David's one of the proprietors of the metric and he's currently the Celts Director of Scouting. And even a lot of the scouting metrics really like Wright too. Which is why I'm kinda surprised the Mavs traded him- tho I guess he's a FA at the end of the year. But the Mavs subscribe to one of these scouting services so weird. But if they're gonna lose him and end up keeping Rondo, makes sense. Dump Monta at the end of the year and the Rondo trade will look even better.

If Wright does get the mins in Boston, I think he breaks out. Don't think he fouls that much which is normally why some of these awesome per minute players don't get more minutes. Then again, there has to be some reason Dallas hasn't played him some more over the years.

Agreed. I like Wright and Crowder as well, I just don't think they're even really the same level of player (even if he can't shoot to save his life) Rondo is.

I'm not against the trade at all. Honestly if he doesn't tear his ACL we get a far better return on Rondo last year.

Sssmush
12-19-2014, 06:34 AM
Wow... Monte and Rondo as backcourt running mates with a freakin' front court of Dirk and Chandler is sweet.

Fire up the TiVo I want to see this team play. Super cool for Dallas. Especially since Rondo is such a unique, exotic player and then you're combining him with such a singular talent as Dirk Nowitzki... Just wow. Must see TV.

bagwell368
12-19-2014, 07:16 AM
I think Boston may want to flip him for a pick as well. He's an expiring contract so are they really going to resign him ? don't you guys already have Kelly, Sully, and Zeller ... it seems to me either Wright or one of those guys is on his way out along with Green for some more picks.

Given Sully's deal is coming due after next year I'd deal him and sign Wright. Sully is short, one minor injury away from being #1 in the NBA for blocked shots taken, he's about as good as he's going to get, and guys with his body style don't have long careers either. His numbers are good and he may command $10M a year in his next deal, he'll never out earn that.

bagwell368
12-19-2014, 07:18 AM
Value wise Dallas wins but I don't like this fit at all...

Not a fan of Rondo and Ellis together.

Also lol at ppl that think Rondo is top 5. This isn't 2011

x2 He hasn't been a top 12 in five years. Still for this year if healthy the Mavs are better with the deal, come back in 3 years to see how that held up.

jp611
12-19-2014, 07:22 AM
Rondo top 5? Who the **** still believes that ****?

Rondo is probably closer to the bottom 5 of the PGs then the top 5.

bagwell368
12-19-2014, 07:25 AM
Rondo played his best when he was surrounded by really good vets and a strong veteran coach. Also when he didn't have to be the best player night in and night out. He's now surrounded by the same type of team.

All true, but his peak was 2008-2009, he's been in steady decline since then (accelerated by his major injury). His FT's are worse then ever, he doesn't play D anymore, he's erratic, he's oft injured (outside of that ACL), and he's much OLDER than 2008-2009. He's afraid to drive much anymore because he always gets spilled to the floor. He gives up his defensive responsibilities hunting offensive rebounds for his stats, he gives away bunnies hunting assists. He rips defensive rebounds away from teammates to hunt triple doubles. He's a knucklehead emotionally, prone to outbursts in practice and the locker room. He's dour and friendless, he's repellent when he acts like he knows everything (which is often, Doc left because of him, Ray Allen too). Ainge, Doc, and Tubby Smith have all called him uncoachable. Coach K loathes him. He blew the C's shot at a title during the Perkins deal year which he admitted himself later. Blew helping the two new guys find their way, blew the #1 seed by sitting on his hands for 15 games in a row.

Your team is better in the short run. That's all you probably have. My C's are liberated to move forward away from the cancerous Rondo. Good luck to both teams.

jp611
12-19-2014, 07:28 AM
I absolutely hate the fit. Rondo is a ball dominant PG. He's not effective if he isn't controlling the game. Monta Ellis is a ball dominant SG.

Neither of these guys can shoot outside shots. So the spacing is going to come from Parsons and Dirk only in the starting 5. Mavs were better off before this trade. They got rid of their backup C (a very solid one averaging 18 MPG) and now Greg Smith will have to fill in the shoes behind an injury plagued Tyson Chandler.

I would rather have Wright alone over Rondo. Let alone Wright, Nelson, Crowder, a 1st and a 2nd round pick. Boston did some work here.

pebloemer
12-19-2014, 08:47 AM
If Wright is as good as you say he is, why has played for like 5 different teams already?

He has played for 3 teams, Boston will be his 4th - unsure on your need for hyperbole.

Just earlier in your conversation, you submitted Lowry as a Top 5 PG in the NBA (above Rondo). There is a player that bounced around early in his career and blossomed late as well. It happens. Wright is absolutely not the player Lowry is, but if a Top 5 PG (your words) can bounce around, why is it hard for you to believe that a quality rotation piece in Wright could?

But you're going to cherry pick whatever irrelevant argument you want to stand by your initial statement that Wright is a scrub (or wait, I think you edited that out) and the NBA should veto such a horrible trade anyways, so I think I'm done with this conversation.

Goose17
12-19-2014, 09:02 AM
I feel like Boston won this trade. Or at least, looking back on it a few years from now it will seem that way.

Rondo and Ellis playing together will be interesting. I'm not convinced it will work.

Thumper 88
12-19-2014, 09:26 AM
No guarantees on that at all. Rondo has said for a while now he wants to test the market.

However Dallas looks to be in good shape with cap space as they clear about 3M off next years cap leaving them at roughly 43M with bird rights for Chandler and Rondo. If they can lure someone else to come, then sign Rondo and Chandler with their bird rights they could have a very potent roster.

But like I said, Rondo really wants to test the market. I cold very easily see him going elsewhere just as much as resigning in Boston.



wat

The Celtics were better across the board when Rondo was playing 2007 then when he was off. Not to mention he was a super raw rookie with almost no shooting ability.

The way I seen it broke down was Mavs have 28.75m is the last amount that's guaranteed with bird rights to Tyson and Rondo.


Dirk is the man!


I think this really doesn't help Dallas that much. They lose depth and add a non shooter who's injury prone and questionable character wise. Also doesn't monta need the ball to be effective? Taking the ball out of his hands in favor of rondos doesn't seen like a great strategy

Monta is a changed person since joining the Mavs.

Thumper 88
12-19-2014, 09:31 AM
Rondo-Monta is a weird fit. Neither can shoot. Also, Rondo in the free-flowing Dallas offense? Kind of weird considering how ball dominant Rondo is. And no, just because you never shoot it doesn't mean you aren't ball dominant (Per SportVu, Rondo has the 16th highest Time of Possession of all players in the NBA) Rondo needs the ball in his hands to facilitate to maximize his abilities but Dallas likes to move the ball around without it sticking in any one players hands. So I don't really get how that'll work. Like Rondo can't play off ball- at all. And Dallas' offense isn't based around any 1 player dominating the ball- can't recall the last time it was.

But that's all fixable if you change your system around, which I'm sure Dallas will do to maximize Rondo's talents. Problem is- neither he or Monta can shoot and thats a really weird backcourt.
Did you just say Monta can't shoot?

He's been the best Mavs all year...



Wouldn't call them spare parts. Both Wright and Crowder are pretty decent. Wright especially- look at his PER/RPM etc. The question is can he give you that in more minutes. But he's a stud in the 18 mins he does play. Excellent on the P&R- in fact ranks 2nd in the P&R this year. And even his defense- while the Mavs are better with him off the court on D- he is good at blocking/contesting shots, protecting the rim and he's good making rotations (good help defense metrics). Stinks guarding one on one but put him in the right situations and I don't think he's that bad defensively. Crowder's pretty decent defensively, tho he's a more puzzling player since the +/- metrics love him even though he doesn't really seem that great at anything.

Also, I don't think it's a coincidence that the Celts got a pair of guys who are good in the +/- metrics (Adjusted), David's one of the proprietors of the metric and he's currently the Celts Director of Scouting. And even a lot of the scouting metrics really like Wright too. Which is why I'm kinda surprised the Mavs traded him- tho I guess he's a FA at the end of the year. But the Mavs subscribe to one of these scouting services so weird. But if they're gonna lose him and end up keeping Rondo, makes sense. Dump Monta at the end of the year and the Rondo trade will look even better.

If Wright does get the mins in Boston, I think he breaks out. Don't think he fouls that much which is normally why some of these awesome per minute players don't get more minutes. Then again, there has to be some reason Dallas hasn't played him some more over the years.

Why on earth should/would the Mavs dump monta? You make zero sense here..

Thumper 88
12-19-2014, 09:33 AM
100% Agree. They're in trouble defensively, and that certainly did not change with this trade. Also, it's a really tough move for Monta as defenses are now going to suck in an extra foot in the paint by default in order to thwart team drives (without the pain of having to worry about the 3 ball). Rondo's a really tough PG on SG's who are slashers.

Dallas is 19-8 with Jameer Nelson starting... They will be better

Thumper 88
12-19-2014, 09:37 AM
I absolutely hate the fit. Rondo is a ball dominant PG. He's not effective if he isn't controlling the game. Monta Ellis is a ball dominant SG.

Neither of these guys can shoot outside shots. So the spacing is going to come from Parsons and Dirk only in the starting 5. Mavs were better off before this trade. They got rid of their backup C (a very solid one averaging 18 MPG) and now Greg Smith will have to fill in the shoes behind an injury plagued Tyson Chandler.

I would rather have Wright alone over Rondo. Let alone Wright, Nelson, Crowder, a 1st and a 2nd round pick. Boston did some work here.

Wrights is hardly a C he's more of PF

Monta has been solid at shooting jumpers

jp611
12-19-2014, 09:43 AM
Monta can't shoot. At least from long range he can't. 30% from long range this year. The highest 3P% he's ever posted was 36%. He's an awful shooter.

Add Rajon "I can't even make a FT" Rondo to that list and you're in serious trouble at the guard position. Two bad defenders and a stat padder at the 1/2 position. Yikes.

jp611
12-19-2014, 09:48 AM
Wrights is hardly a C he's more of PF

Monta has been solid at shooting jumpers

Except he hasn't, like at all. He's gotten worse from 3P this year. He's drastically improved his shots from 16-23 feet this year. But it's hardly sustainable. Ellis is not a shooter. He's a slashing two guard who gets most of his points in within 8 feet of the basket. He's pretty predictable, and Rajon is even more predictable, because you know he literally cannot even make a FT.

Thumper 88
12-19-2014, 09:54 AM
Monta can't shoot. At least from long range he can't. 30% from long range this year. The highest 3P% he's ever posted was 36%. He's an awful shooter.

Add Rajon "I can't even make a FT" Rondo to that list and you're in serious trouble at the guard position. Two bad defenders and a stat padder at the 1/2 position. Yikes.
So now you change it up...

You said he can't shoot which isn't true. He's been really good shooting jump shots this year.

I think people don't realize how good monta has been this year.

Thumper 88
12-19-2014, 09:55 AM
Except he hasn't, like at all. He's gotten worse from 3P this year. He's drastically improved his shots from 16-23 feet this year.

It's like you say no and yes in the same sentence.

jp611
12-19-2014, 10:10 AM
It's like you say no and yes in the same sentence.

No, it isn't. Because you completely skipped over the rest of my post. I said Ellis has drastically improved from 16-24 feet. But what makes you think that he will sustain a 48% FG% from there when he has only been above 40% from there one other time in his career?

And no one is changing anything up. I said Monta isn't a shooter, and he isn't. He never has been, he never will be. Rajon Rondo is a terrible fit next to Monta because they're both really bad at jump shooting.

And I do realize Monta has played well this year, it's just unsustainable.

Mr.B
12-19-2014, 10:29 AM
All true, but his peak was 2008-2009, he's been in steady decline since then (accelerated by his major injury). His FT's are worse then ever, he doesn't play D anymore, he's erratic, he's oft injured (outside of that ACL), and he's much OLDER than 2008-2009. He's afraid to drive much anymore because he always gets spilled to the floor. He gives up his defensive responsibilities hunting offensive rebounds for his stats, he gives away bunnies hunting assists. He rips defensive rebounds away from teammates to hunt triple doubles. He's a knucklehead emotionally, prone to outbursts in practice and the locker room. He's dour and friendless, he's repellent when he acts like he knows everything (which is often, Doc left because of him, Ray Allen too). Ainge, Doc, and Tubby Smith have all called him uncoachable. Coach K loathes him. He blew the C's shot at a title during the Perkins deal year which he admitted himself later. Blew helping the two new guys find their way, blew the #1 seed by sitting on his hands for 15 games in a row.

Your team is better in the short run. That's all you probably have. My C's are liberated to move forward away from the cancerous Rondo. Good luck to both teams.

In all fairness the whole team has been in decline. Sure he's older than he was in '08 that's pretty much common sense. But he's only 28 not 48. He's also healthy now. Maybe he's been playing selfish because the C's have failed to put a good team around him. I expect him to be much better than he has been simply because he's in a better team. The Mavs like to space the floor so Rondo will be able to drive to the basket without getting hammered.

It kind of reminds me of when Kidd came to Dallas or when Vince came to Dallas. Everyone thought they were done. Vince looked like he should have been retired for at least 2 years before he got to Dallas. Same goes for Marion before he got to Dallas. He had been traded twice before he got here because everyone thought he was washed up.

Either way, people like you are going to have their hate for Rondo which is fine. It will be just that much more enjoyable to see Rondo succeed and to know that the Mavs got him for a couple bench players.

Mr.B
12-19-2014, 10:33 AM
No, it isn't. Because you completely skipped over the rest of my post. I said Ellis has drastically improved from 16-24 feet. But what makes you think that he will sustain a 48% FG% from there when he has only been above 40% from there one other time in his career?

And no one is changing anything up. I said Monta isn't a shooter, and he isn't. He never has been, he never will be. Rajon Rondo is a terrible fit next to Monta because they're both really bad at jump shooting.

And I do realize Monta has played well this year, it's just unsustainable.

Monte is a scorer but is a very good shooter since he's been in Dallas. You should try watching some of their games instead of just looking at box scores. He's hit some pretty big shots this year and has easily been the Mavs best player this year. Also with Monte's ability to play without the ball and to free himself up Rondo will be free to be the main ball handler.

mightybosstone
12-19-2014, 10:47 AM
I seriously think Dallas is going to regret this. The one thing they had going for them right now was how potent their offense is. Why go after Rondo? Yeah, the guy can facilitate extremely well, but he's a massive liability as a scorer, can't hit the broad side of a barn as a shooter and he's pretty overrated as a defender. And in the process, they gave up Wright, who is one of the best bench bigs in the entire league.

And I've seen way too many posters and analysts act like Rondo is still at his peak, but he's not. The guy has played some truly atrocious basketball the last couple of seasons. And I don't want to hear the "he was playing for a bad team" excuse. I've seen good players continue to produce good stats on bad teams. Rondo has just flat out sucked.

I didn't want Rondo in Houston whatsoever, so him going to one of the Rockets' biggest rivals is a huge win in my book, especially because Dallas gave up depth and draft picks. However, I could be wrong. Rondo is still a talented player, and this could work out for the Mavs in the long run. But I wouldn't bet on it at this point. I think this move pushed them in the wrong direction.

Raps18-19 Champ
12-19-2014, 10:51 AM
Pelicans clippers and Grizz going after Green now.BOS wants a first for him.

He's worth it.

Thumper 88
12-19-2014, 11:01 AM
Lol at people who think wright is one of the best bench bigs.. He can't guard actual bigs though..


And for the few of you saying that spacing will be a problem just remember Dallas gave up Jameer Nelson lol I don't think that's going to be an issue hahaha

theducksmuggler
12-19-2014, 11:01 AM
I seriously LOVE this trade for the Mavericks...Rondo hasnt had any great players around him for about 3 years now and we all know how he looks when surrounded by All-Star caliber players and i think he will fit great in Rick's system with Dirk Monta Parsons and Chandler!

Problem #1...Their bench especially their back up big men after trading Brandon Wright. Their current bench consists of now Raymond Felton, Devin Harris, JJ Barea, Richard Jefferson, Charlie Villanueva, Al-Farouq Aminu, Greg Smith, Ricky Ledo...So there backup guaurds are fine Harris is a good sub for Ellis is off and Felton is a decent back up for 10 minutes and Barea is a spark plug, But Villanueva and Greg Smith as your backup is pretty bad if theres an injury to Chandler or Dirk for a few weeks they are gonna struggle, they need to some how get another big who can help give Dirk and Chandler a rest...Im hearing Jermaine Oneal but really? how old is he?

Problem #2...3 point shooting they are gonna struggle to spread the floor big time I think with Monta and Rondo starting with both of them having struggles shooting the deep ball for their career. The only real knock down 3 point shooters on their team are Parsons and Harris it may be enough to spread the floor with different rotations but we shall see. I just think with Rondo and Ellis on the court they may struggle to spread the floor out.

tredigs
12-19-2014, 11:19 AM
Lol at people who think wright is one of the best bench bigs.. He can't guard actual bigs though..


And for the few of you saying that spacing will be a problem just remember Dallas gave up Jameer Nelson lol I don't think that's going to be an issue hahaha

Yeah, and Jameer Nelson is a threat from long range... you can't sink in a defense on him and allow him to shoot. With a 1/2 combo who are both horrible 3pt shooters (Monta's at 30% from deep this season... he's also at 30% from deep his last 250 games combined), you guys are going to see D's just crowd the center of the floor and contain their slashes as much as possible. You can kiss Monta's career high mid-range FG% goodbye on account of that (not that it was sustainable, but even less so now). It's going to give Dirk less space to work as well. The spacing will be worse, I can guarantee that. And losing B. Wright's solid bench production is easier said than done.

Even though many still see this as a "better in the short term" move (with it hurting them long term), I disagree with that as well. Both for the reasons listed and because bringing in such a ball dominant force mid season will simply take a lot of time for true continuity to form.

I think they're worse both short and long term. Rondo doesn't scare me on that squad in the least; just a really bad backcourt mate to team up with. Time will tell. But as a W's fan, I'm happy.

torocan
12-19-2014, 11:24 AM
I actually think this is a really good fit for Rondo and Dallas.

Dallas is loaded with scoring, so it fits well with Rondo's desire to facilitate. Ellis is really the only ball dominant player on the Mavs and he can still play well off the ball as well as take some of the facilitating load when Rondo is tired. Chandler is mainly a PnR dunker, and Dirk is the definition of pick and pop... both of which mesh really well with how Rondo's preference to facilitate.

In terms of defense, having Chandler in the back court fits really nicely with Rondo's preference to patrol the passing lanes and gamble on defense. If Rondo doesn't need to be a pure stopper at the point, then his other defensive skills should be a real upgrade for the Mavs.

As far as Rondo's attitude, I suspect it won't be a serious issue. They've got Chandler and Dirk (vets with a title) and a top tier coach in Carlisle (also with a title). If Rondo won't give them respect, he's a completely lost cause. Also, I expect Carlisle to have no issue devising a way to utilize Rondo's talents effectively within their offense.

Dallas was already a very tough out, depending on how quickly they get things to mesh they could be in serious title contention in April.

As for Boston, I'm guessing they got the best offer that was on the table this year. They probably would have gotten more if they had traded him last year, but no point complaining over spilled milk. Wright is solid, Crowder has upside, and they can always use more picks.

The Southwest division is now officially completely ridiculous...

Hawkeye15
12-19-2014, 11:32 AM
some interesting stats for rondo

David Locke ‏@Lockedonsports 3m3 minutes ago
Boston was a better offensive team and a better defensive team with Rondo on the bench than on the floor

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David Locke ‏@Lockedonsports 4m4 minutes ago
Only 4 offensive players use a possession at a lower rate than Rondo - Ronnie Price, Nate Wolters, Elfrid Payton and Jason Thompson

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David Locke ‏@Lockedonsports 6m6 minutes ago
Rajon Rondo is using 14 possessions a night at .65 pts per possession one of the worst offensive players in the NBA

as I have said forever, Rondo needs to be surrounded by high end offensive talent that can shoot and score to be a plus on that end at all. He should be far more effective with the offensive talent Dallas has. I do think he will be a negative defensively.

Looks like we won't get a long look at what Rondo is without all that offensive firepower afterall, where I figured he would fall apart (you can see he has with the limited data, but I was hoping for more to prove a point about him).

Blitzbolt
12-19-2014, 11:37 AM
I think it will work out but as Grizz fan I'm happy they have no backup bigs and no money to trade for one is impossible to beat us with just 2 front court players and one old like dirk.

Hawkeye15
12-19-2014, 11:41 AM
I seriously think Dallas is going to regret this. The one thing they had going for them right now was how potent their offense is. Why go after Rondo? Yeah, the guy can facilitate extremely well, but he's a massive liability as a scorer, can't hit the broad side of a barn as a shooter and he's pretty overrated as a defender. And in the process, they gave up Wright, who is one of the best bench bigs in the entire league.

And I've seen way too many posters and analysts act like Rondo is still at his peak, but he's not. The guy has played some truly atrocious basketball the last couple of seasons. And I don't want to hear the "he was playing for a bad team" excuse. I've seen good players continue to produce good stats on bad teams. Rondo has just flat out sucked.

I didn't want Rondo in Houston whatsoever, so him going to one of the Rockets' biggest rivals is a huge win in my book, especially because Dallas gave up depth and draft picks. However, I could be wrong. Rondo is still a talented player, and this could work out for the Mavs in the long run. But I wouldn't bet on it at this point. I think this move pushed them in the wrong direction.

I don't think Dallas's offense is going to suffer a lot, if they get the Rondo from pre-injury. But they killed their depth now, they better hope no injuries set in

tredigs
12-19-2014, 11:43 AM
as I have said forever, Rondo needs to be surrounded by high end offensive talent that can shoot and score to be a plus on that end at all. He should be far more effective with the offensive talent Dallas has. I do think he will be a negative defensively.

Looks like we won't get a long look at what Rondo is without all that offensive firepower afterall, where I figured he would fall apart (you can see he has with the limited data, but I was hoping for more to prove a point about him).
Dallas had the best offense in the NBA up to this point. It was actually on pace to be historically good. They were just a well oiled machine where all the pieces fit - up to and including Brandan Wright taking pages from Chandler's PnR game and finishing every bucket he touched (almost literally here... he was going to break the FG% record with a respectable 9 bench points a night in just 20 mins).

I'm going to say that's gone. With Monta's inability to space the floor and create lanes for him, Rondo's not the fit here. Even in Boston he was already getting to the paint at career low %'s the past few years. He's not the same player as he was at 25 and pre injury.

Also, who's getting all of B Wright's minutes now. 30 mpg for Aminu? : /

I don't know, I think Dallas seriously dropped the ball here.

Hawkeye15
12-19-2014, 11:47 AM
Dallas had the best offense in the NBA up to this point. It was actually on pace to be historically good. They were just a well oiled machine where all the pieces fit - up to and including Brandan Wright taking pages from Chandler's PnR game and finishing every bucket he touched (almost literally here... he was going to break the FG% record with a respectable 9 bench points a night in just 20 mins).

I'm going to say that's gone. With Monta's inability to space the floor and create lanes for him, Rondo's not the fit here. Even in Boston he was already getting to the paint at career low %'s the past few years. He's not the same player as he was at 25 and pre injury.

Also, who's getting all of B Wright's minutes now. 30 mpg for Aminu? : /

I don't know, I think Dallas seriously dropped the ball here.

I don't think they take a big hit, but I do think their offense drops some. And this is assuming we get pre-injury Rondo, who was just half assing it due to situation. If he isn't the same player he was a few years ago, Dallas drops offensively by a good margin. And like I stated in another post, they can't afford any long term injuries now, they killed their depth.

Thumper 88
12-19-2014, 11:48 AM
I don't think Dallas's offense is going to suffer a lot, if they get the Rondo from pre-injury. But they killed their depth now, they better hope no injuries set in
Losing wright and crowder didn't kill the depth....

MrfadeawayJB
12-19-2014, 11:52 AM
Pelicans clippers and Grizz going after Green now.BOS wants a first for him.

He's worth it.

Grizz should jump at this seeing that their first rd pick will be late

Hawkeye15
12-19-2014, 11:54 AM
Losing wright and crowder didn't kill the depth....

as tre said, who is replacing those minutes?

Thumper 88
12-19-2014, 11:57 AM
as tre said, who is replacing those minutes?
Aminu & Jefferson will get more along with Greg Smith.

The bench took a loss for sure but it's not dead by any means.

Hawkeye15
12-19-2014, 11:59 AM
Aminu & Jefferson will get more along with Greg Smith.

The bench took a loss for sure but it's not dead by any means.

that is a far less effective group though. Don't you worry that the addition of Rondo is not going to make up for the loss of Wright/Crowder? You bring in a non-floor spacing PG who won't help you on defense, and give up depth, which over the course of 82 games with an aging roster, means something.

Jamiecballer
12-19-2014, 12:04 PM
I feel like Boston won this trade. Or at least, looking back on it a few years from now it will seem that way.

Rondo and Ellis playing together will be interesting. I'm not convinced it will work.

+1. especially considering the need to rid themselves of that cancer it's a great return.

MILLERHIGHLIFE
12-19-2014, 12:12 PM
Aminu & Jefferson will get more along with Greg Smith.

The bench took a loss for sure but it's not dead by any means.Jefferson? Richard Jefferson? Man he was horrible many years ago for the Bucks. Was already declining steadily final year with the Nets before Bucks traded for him. Then Spurs flipped him fast. Then Jazz had him. Wow. Will be interesting how Ellis and Rondo workout. Cause I know Jennings and Ellis didn't workout. Both were ball dominate. We always had to have one not play with other. Once one got a breather other one moved to pg. Only way it worked. Nick name was the chuck brothers. lol

Thumper 88
12-19-2014, 12:13 PM
that is a far less effective group though. Don't you worry that the addition of Rondo is not going to make up for the loss of Wright/Crowder? You bring in a non-floor spacing PG who won't help you on defense, and give up depth, which over the course of 82 games with an aging roster, means something.
I'm sure rondo is a better defender than Nelson.

Jefferson is going to have to contribute more along with Aminu.

I can see a little drop off on offense and a little incline in defense

Thumper 88
12-19-2014, 12:16 PM
Jefferson? Richard Jefferson? Man he was horrible many years ago for the Bucks. Was already declining steadily final year with the Nets before Bucks traded for him. Then Spurs flipped him fast. Then Jazz had him. Wow. Will be interesting how Ellis and Rondo workout. Cause I know Jennings and Ellis didn't workout. Both were ball dominate. We always had to have one not play with other. Once one got a breather other one moved to pg. Only way it worked. Nick name was the chuck brothers. lol
Yeah it's a good thing monta isn't a chucker anymore. Rick works wonders with players

nycericanguy
12-19-2014, 12:20 PM
Gotta give DAL credit, in the last 6 months they've acquired Tyson, Parsons and now Rondo without giving up all that much.

I think Rondo will be a great fit there. He'll be rejuvenated and with Parsons & Dirk there is enough shooting there.

Rondo is a huge upgrade over Nelson, shooting woes, TS% or whatever aside. He's going to make them a much tougher and smarter team come playoffs.

This team looks better than the 2010 title team now. They could probably use a trade or bring in a vet like Kmart for depth though.

Hawkeye15
12-19-2014, 12:25 PM
I'm sure rondo is a better defender than Nelson.

Jefferson is going to have to contribute more along with Aminu.

I can see a little drop off on offense and a little incline in defense

Rondo is not going to be a better defender than Nelson unfortunately. He was never even that good of a defender, he was just allowed to roam around and gamble with KG/Perk behind him.

You are asking 2 guys who haven't contributed to just step up, it doesn't work that way.

I think your offense does regress, and the defense doesn't change.

Thumper 88
12-19-2014, 12:29 PM
Rondo is not going to be a better defender than Nelson unfortunately. He was never even that good of a defender, he was just allowed to roam around and gamble with KG/Perk behind him.

You are asking 2 guys who haven't contributed to just step up, it doesn't work that way.

I think your offense does regress, and the defense doesn't change.

I guess it's a good thing the FO knows what they are doing. Don't think they would make such a high profile move to only get worse. They're not in the business to lose.

tredigs
12-19-2014, 12:33 PM
I don't watch him nightly anymore as I did for years and years (thank you Lord), but the #'s certainly don't back up the Mavs fans claims that he is this improved player. He does not rank well in WAR, RPM, VORP, BPM, WinShares, TS%... really anything. And his defense is really poor. He's still a 30% 3pt shooter, still has a ridiculously high Usage%, same Asst:TO ratio, same crappy rebounding... don't get it.

I think the team winning as a whole for the most part is clouding judgement here. I think he's a net+ as a player on this team (since his high Usage% isn't hampering that of a budding star), but he's not a great or even very good player by any means.

Edit: Sorry that wasn't clear at all. I'm talking about Monta, not Rondo.

Hawkeye15
12-19-2014, 12:35 PM
I don't watch him nightly anymore as I did for years and years (thank you Lord), but the #'s certainly don't back up the Mavs fans claims that he is this improved player. He does not rank well in WAR, RPM, VORP, BPM, WinShares, TS%... really anything. And his defense is really poor. He's still a 30% 3pt shooter, still has a ridiculously high Usage%, same Asst:TO ratio, same crappy rebounding... don't get it.

I never thought Rondo was all that good. But, with potent offensive players around him, he does become a plus offensive player. We just need to see if that same Rondo is there athletically still. I have serious doubts.

I always said, take away his shooters/scorers, he turns into a bad player. And he did.

MILLERHIGHLIFE
12-19-2014, 12:40 PM
Mavs are known to go after big name players that are at the end of their careers. Walker and Jamison to name a few. Mavs very seldom land big name free agents. Missed out on Howard and CP3. Had to hand out a max deal to Parsons to pry him away from Rockets. Once Dirk retires it be the old Mavs days like Jim Jackson 90's era.

tredigs
12-19-2014, 12:40 PM
I never thought Rondo was all that good. But, with potent offensive players around him, he does become a plus offensive player. We just need to see if that same Rondo is there athletically still. I have serious doubts.

I always said, take away his shooters/scorers, he turns into a bad player. And he did.

Edited. I'm talking about Monta (he's getting a lot of praise).

As for Rondo, I still don't like that fit with what I mentioned concerning spacing. Jameer was a reliable and sometimes potent 3pt threat who you couldn't leave alone. That, along with Dirk requiring attention, helped Monta a lot. Now, they can forget about 3pt shooting from the point all together and crowd both of their mid-range shooting and slashes (monta+Rondo's). Why ruin a truly GREAT offense for a suspect PG? All while losing crucial depth. I don't get it. They're going to regress.

Hawkeye15
12-19-2014, 12:47 PM
Edited. I'm talking about Monta (he's getting a lot of praise).

As for Rondo, I still don't like that fit with what I mentioned concerning spacing. Jameer was a reliable and sometimes potent 3pt threat who you couldn't leave alone. That, along with Dirk requiring attention, helped Monta a lot. Now, they can forget about 3pt shooting from the point all together and crowd both of their mid-range shooting and slashes (monta+Rondo's). Why ruin a truly GREAT offense for a suspect PG? All while losing crucial depth. I don't get it. They're going to regress.

I have never thought Monta worked well as anything outside a 3rd option that can be hidden defensively. And his numbers suggest he isn't much of a factor this year.

I am starting to agree on your 2nd point. I haven't watched any Mavs ball this year, so I don't know what their offense has looked like yet. So I will have nothing to compare it to when i do watch them.

Sadds The Gr8
12-19-2014, 12:52 PM
I absolutely hate the fit. Rondo is a ball dominant PG. He's not effective if he isn't controlling the game. Monta Ellis is a ball dominant SG.

Neither of these guys can shoot outside shots. So the spacing is going to come from Parsons and Dirk only in the starting 5. Mavs were better off before this trade. They got rid of their backup C (a very solid one averaging 18 MPG) and now Greg Smith will have to fill in the shoes behind an injury plagued Tyson Chandler.
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Yea. Last year Calderon who is a notorious ball dominating pg, had to take a jump shooting role just to fit with Ellis. I don't see Rondo or Ellis taking that role now. Neither is capable.

tredigs
12-19-2014, 01:00 PM
I have never thought Monta worked well as anything outside a 3rd option that can be hidden defensively. And his numbers suggest he isn't much of a factor this year.

I am starting to agree on your 2nd point. I haven't watched any Mavs ball this year, so I don't know what their offense has looked like yet. So I will have nothing to compare it to when i do watch them.

Gorgeous and simple is how I would have described it. It's centered around the PnR from Monta or Nelson to Chandler or Wright (RIP), with Dirk just chillin in the far corner (which is huge because it means the big guarding him can't give weakside help). Que open three for Dirk (if he does help), dunk from Chander or Wright (if he doesn't), or slashing layup for Jameer/Monta/Chandler.

But, they just erased two important parts of that equation. #1 - they lost Nelson, which takes out the ability of having 3 guys who can both shoot or slash on the floor during the set and #2 - they lost Wright, who was perfecting the offense for the 2nd unit and also offered somewhat serviceable post D with elite help D.

They had one of the best offenses I'd ever seen honestly. Just... why ruin that? Go out and get help defensively if anything.

Thumper 88
12-19-2014, 01:18 PM
Acquisition of Rajon Rondo, ESPN sources say, has given Mavs undeniable edge in race to lure veteran big man Jermaine O'Neal back to NBA

Hawkeye15
12-19-2014, 01:29 PM
Acquisition of Rajon Rondo, ESPN sources say, has given Mavs undeniable edge in race to lure veteran big man Jermaine O'Neal back to NBA

is that even a good thing haha?

Thumper 88
12-19-2014, 01:30 PM
is that even a good thing haha?

Idk.. Is he even serviceable?

Thumper 88
12-19-2014, 01:31 PM
It's funny because when I Mavs got Jameer Nelson to start games everyone was like lol

Now that he's not everyone's like the Mavs are doomed hahaha

It's Jameer Nelson everyone

Hawkeye15
12-19-2014, 01:40 PM
It's funny because when I Mavs got Jameer Nelson to start games everyone was like lol

Now that he's not everyone's like the Mavs are doomed hahaha

It's Jameer Nelson everyone

Wright is one of the best big men off the bench in the league though, and I am not sure Rondo is worth the slight upgrade at PG, and you lose a pick.

Green_Monster
12-19-2014, 03:07 PM
I seriously think Dallas is going to regret this. The one thing they had going for them right now was how potent their offense is. Why go after Rondo? Yeah, the guy can facilitate extremely well, but he's a massive liability as a scorer, can't hit the broad side of a barn as a shooter and he's pretty overrated as a defender. And in the process, they gave up Wright, who is one of the best bench bigs in the entire league.

And I've seen way too many posters and analysts act like Rondo is still at his peak, but he's not. The guy has played some truly atrocious basketball the last couple of seasons. And I don't want to hear the "he was playing for a bad team" excuse. I've seen good players continue to produce good stats on bad teams. Rondo has just flat out sucked.

No, he hasn't flat out sucked. He's no where near sucking. Unless, the only thing you look at is FG% and TS%, then you have a case.

GiantsSwaGG
12-19-2014, 03:13 PM
Rondo and Ellis won't fit. Bad trade for the Mavs

jp611
12-19-2014, 03:44 PM
Monte is a scorer but is a very good shooter since he's been in Dallas. You should try watching some of their games instead of just looking at box scores. He's hit some pretty big shots this year and has easily been the Mavs best player this year. Also with Monte's ability to play without the ball and to free himself up Rondo will be free to be the main ball handler.

Cool?

It's not sustainable. Monta has shot over 40% from mid range just one other time in his career. What makes you think this isn't an anomaly? I like what Ellis has done since coming to the Mavericks. But this trade is going to effect his play greatly.

flea
12-19-2014, 04:29 PM
If Rondo can be a good perimeter defender again then I think this trade could work out pretty well. I think that's a major part of why they did it - their guard defense is just not good at all and it'd be really tough to win in the West if you can't slow down any of the good PGs. Rondo is pretty long for his size, and still pretty quick, so maybe there's some reason for optimism there. I haven't watched enough of him post-ACL tear to truthfully know.

As for offense, I'm not as worried about. Carlisle is an excellent coach, and if anyone can piece that together it's him. Plus, it's not like Jameer was this great spot-up option. That was actually a big downside of his in Orlando with Howard (other than being a defensive liability). His 3 point shot is very streaky and when it wasn't on he wouldn't give you much. Orlando would often close games without him on the floor. That said, he's certainly better than Rondo.

Still, I trust Carlisle to craft a good guard rotation. Having a PG defender sagging into the lane is a lot better than a big. It's not ideal, but I don't think it's an offense killer - especially as good a one as Dallas has. I think having 2 shooting forwards is a lot more important than what Jameer Nelson was giving them as a shooter.

As for Wright, he's not going to be the difference between winning a ring and not. With shorter benches in the playoffs he probably wouldn't be playing much except against a team like Memphis - and even then he's a defensive liability against someone like Z-Bo. Aminu is a better defensive option against PFs, even if he offers nothing much offensively. We'd still only be talking about maybe 10 minutes a game in the playoffs. He's a solid bench big but nothing more than that, even if he's a decent finisher. On most teams he doesn't have anywhere near the space to finish that he did in Dallas since they have the best shooting frontcourt in the league (with all due respect to Atlanta and Miami).

TrueFan420
12-19-2014, 05:35 PM
Idk.. Is he even serviceable?

He is, he was good for the Warriors last year. Defensively he's not the same but dude still has some solid post moves.

D-Leethal
12-19-2014, 06:01 PM
Probably the best spot Rondo could have landed. Can't wait to see him do what he does best for a great team again and quiet the TS% haters for a bit. I'll be rooting for them out West.

GiantsSwaGG
12-19-2014, 06:55 PM
How is it the best spot? Him and Ellis aren't a good fit

Mr.B
12-19-2014, 08:55 PM
Cool?

It's not sustainable. Monta has shot over 40% from mid range just one other time in his career. What makes you think this isn't an anomaly? I like what Ellis has done since coming to the Mavericks. But this trade is going to effect his play greatly.

Well he's been in Dallas for over a year now and hasn't shown any of the signs of being a selfish player, bad teammate, or inefficient shooter that he was before coming to Dallas. Now that he's finally on a winning team he's matured as a player and teammate. I'd say that it's more likely that he'll do anything it takes to make this work instead of reverting back to being the player he was in Golden State or Milwaukee.

Mr.B
12-19-2014, 08:57 PM
How is it the best spot? Him and Ellis aren't a good fit

I disagree, I think they will be a perfect fit playing next to each other.

Thumper 88
12-19-2014, 09:18 PM
How is it the best spot? Him and Ellis aren't a good fit

They said the same thing last year with Jose and Monta.. Turned out pretty good so I imagine it's going to get a lot better

blahblahyoutoo
12-19-2014, 09:18 PM
gonna go out on a limb and say mavs will be worse off with rondo.

D-Leethal
12-19-2014, 09:20 PM
I think Ellis sacrifices much of his load. Rondo will be the primary pick and roll guy. Agree that those two aren't much of a fit together but everywhere else Rondo seems to be a seamless fit. I don't see a better, realistic suitor than the Mavs that was involved in talks unless I'm missing something.

Chavacano
12-19-2014, 09:21 PM
Poor Nelson.

dalton749
12-19-2014, 09:44 PM
id imagine rondo and monta dont spend a crazy amount of time on the floor together so that they can have one of them running the offence at all times

gatkins11
12-19-2014, 10:37 PM
Dallas will get the most out of Rondo like they did with "washed up" Chandler, Kidd, Marion, Carter, etc.

BlondeBomber41
12-20-2014, 01:12 AM
Aminu & Jefferson will get more along with Greg Smith.

The bench took a loss for sure but it's not dead by any means.

that is a far less effective group though. Don't you worry that the addition of Rondo is not going to make up for the loss of Wright/Crowder? You bring in a non-floor spacing PG who won't help you on defense, and give up depth, which over the course of 82 games with an aging roster, means something.

You're overreacting. Rondo replaces Nelsons minutes and then some, and Crowder was only seeing very limited minutes that can easily be covered by Aminu and Richard Jefferson.

The only loss was Brandan Wright. They'll most likely sign Jermaine O'Neal and if they don't, solid backup big men become available at the deadline and waived.

Your statement that he won't help defensively is crazy. Maybe he hasn't been himself defensively lately but he'll be 100 times better than Jameer Nelson.

Super.
12-20-2014, 01:14 AM
The way I seen it broke down was Mavs have 28.75m is the last amount that's guaranteed with bird rights to Tyson and Rondo.


Dirk is the man!



Monta is a changed person since joining the Mavs.

My bet is Rondo returns to the Mavs because they can offer him the most money.

Chronz
12-20-2014, 01:39 AM
Their offense should decline abit but when you're the best offense in the league, ur either overperforming or able to sacrifice some for defensive improvement.

Rondo is a playoff performer, he's proven that much, defensively is where he can make a difference for such a poor rebounding team. I don't see him improving their offense at all tho. He rarely moved the needle in Boston but part of that was his own inconsistency outside the tv games.

PatsSoxKnicks
12-20-2014, 03:36 AM
Some stats I saw on both Rondo and Wright: Rondo's Keep in Front% is among the worst in the league. Basically can't stay in front of his man. He's also allowing one of the highest FG% allowed/Points per Shot in the league.

As for Wright, he's the 2nd most efficient screening big man in the game. Meaning when he sets screens, the Mavs get a high % of scores or trips to the line.

jp611
12-20-2014, 04:15 PM
They said the same thing last year with Jose and Monta.. Turned out pretty good so I imagine it's going to get a lot better

Jose can shoot though. And he had to adjust his game to become more of a shooter then a ball dominant PG. Not even remotely comparable situations.

Gagan136
12-20-2014, 04:44 PM
to much rondo

nycericanguy
12-20-2014, 04:44 PM
I think this is a case where people are getting carried away with advanced stats.

Rondo is a fierce competitor and a proven big game player. He will be rejuvenated now and has guys that will finish like he did in BOS.

DAL has enough shooting in the starting lineup with Parsons & Dirk. And they could even move Ellis to 6th man and start Harris alongside Rondo. They also have Barea who can shoot.

This definitely makes them better.

Sadds The Gr8
12-20-2014, 05:31 PM
They said the same thing last year with Jose and Monta.. Turned out pretty good so I imagine it's going to get a lot better
That was defense where ppl were concerned with that combo. Jose was a good enough shooter to become a spot up guy do it worked.

Neither Monta or Rondo are good enough shooters

bagwell368
12-20-2014, 06:56 PM
I think this is a case where people are getting carried away with advanced stats.

Rondo is a fierce competitor and a proven big game player.

He hasn't had a fierce moment on D since about 2011.

He doesn't play hard in games not on National TV.

He's injury prone, selfish, childish, disliked by Coaches and players alike.


He will be rejuvenated now and has guys that will finish like he did in BOS.

He's been in decline since 2008-2010, he's aging and brittle.


This definitely makes them better.

Probably in the short term, but forget his D being anything worth talking about - unless he's on National TV that is.

bagwell368
12-20-2014, 09:09 PM
The personality issues only started when, after the Perk trade in 2011? The downfall of the Big 3.

Surprised you forgot. It was demanded on the C's Forum in 2012 that I back up my opinion by producing at least one instance a year of his "behavior" going back to at least 2009.

I was able to produce between one and three events per year dating back to his Freshman year in college. It's still there, I reposted it and added to it two more times. The Forum went from being 98% against me in 2011 to being at least 80% for me by six months ago - which I am sure you'd have to agree with.

Check out Ainge's quote in my sig line, and check out that date too.

He almost certainly will do more for his new home than he would do for the C's. Great, that's why the Mavs did the deal. His time in Boston is over, as well as his sham Captaincy, and his emotionally immature behavior. I can onl hope that his number will never hang in the rafters, he's spectacularly unfit for that honor.


He is stubborn and an aggressive without a doubt, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad thing. No one has ever said anything negative about Rondo's work ethic.

I have heard and read Jackie MacMullan (an acquaintance of mine) diss Rondo's defensive efforts these past few years as well as his inability to lead and his erratic efforts overall. How did you miss those? She in the writers HOF after all.

I have. Go ahead and compare his Nationally televised games vs non televised. His numbers are down, a lot.


I'm not talking about him coasting through meaningless regular season games (people embrace Popovich for doing it) but the guy plays through injuries and works his *** off in the offseason from what I've read.

Pop sits his guys, he doesn't tell them to go out and play like they don't care. Last year he got tons of games off, and still couldn't rally himself. Did Bird and Havlicek and Russell mail it in? A few minutes here and there, but they didn't make a fetish out of it like Rondo does?


He can get emotional at times but it shows on and off the court. Rondo doesn't have the skills or the personality to be a leader of a team but he's like the buddy sidekick that has your back who won't take **** from no one which is why he went well with the big 3

Why did he go to his birthday party last year when told not too? Immaturity, or he just didn't give a damn.

bagwell368
12-20-2014, 09:30 PM
He's also healthy now.

Look at his games missed the past 5 years. Brittle.


Maybe he's been playing selfish because the C's have failed to put a good team around him

He played the same way when they were winning 50+ games a year. You know, passing up bunnies to pump up his assists, ripping rebounds out of the grasp of teammates (and ignoring his defensive responsibilities) to log another bogus and meaningless triple double. Playing ball hawker to pump up his steal totals, of course the past 3 years he barely plays any sort of defense.


I expect him to be much better than he has been simply because he's in a better team. The Mavs like to space the floor so Rondo will be able to drive to the basket without getting hammered.

Much better? Doubt it, better? OK. BTW everyone will play the Lakers D against him in the West. That is ignore his shot, guard passing lanes or double down on someone. If he penetrates the big guys will slam him to the floor so he stops doing it, and then laugh when he shoots his 30% FT's, If you guys sign him for like 4 years @ $15.5M per you'll be very sorry.


It kind of reminds me of when Kidd came to Dallas or when Vince came to Dallas. Everyone thought they were done. Vince looked like he should have been retired for at least 2 years before he got to Dallas. Same goes for Marion before he got to Dallas. He had been traded twice before he got here because everyone thought he was washed up.

Nice try, but Rondo has far more warts than those guys did.


Either way, people like you are going to have their hate for Rondo which is fine. It will be just that much more enjoyable to see Rondo succeed and to know that the Mavs got him for a couple bench players.

I've hated him since the Perkins deal - as a player, teammate, and Celtic. I've been a Celt fan for 49 years, and a college player and Coach for 15 years. Rondo makes me sick. He's one of the five most unfit players to wear the green I've ever seen. Thank god I lived to see him excised.

Thumper 88
12-21-2014, 12:05 AM
Monta with 38 points tonight in only his first game with Rondo. I'm sure the two will do just fine

ThuglifeJ
12-21-2014, 12:23 AM
Debuts are always such a let down..

Thumper 88
12-21-2014, 12:25 AM
I hope not lol