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FlashBolt
12-10-2014, 10:19 PM
Keeping it brief:

Kyle Korver
3/5.4 3PM/3PA = 55% from the three pointer.

Small example but this guy is undoubtedly one of the greatest shooters of all time. IMO, Korver is having the best shooting season of all time from the three point line.

Ezio
12-10-2014, 10:24 PM
Korver is having a great season thus far. Curry is probably the best shooting guard ever... I need to see Nash's #s

curtcocaine
12-10-2014, 10:35 PM
Korver plays off ball. If curry was able to sit in his favorite spot catch and shoot hed probably shot 60%.

FlashBolt
12-10-2014, 10:38 PM
Korver plays off ball. If curry was able to sit in his favorite spot catch and shoot hed probably shot 60%.

Well, I wouldn't put too much worry into that. Of course, it means something but did we forget that Curry completely disappointed in the three point shooting contest? Also, Curry also has someone named Klay Thompson on his team to disrupt defenders. But, excluding all this, how the hell do you shoot 55% from three pointer averaging 5.4 attempts per game? That's remarkable regardless of how you're doing it.

WaDe03
12-10-2014, 10:38 PM
Korver plays off ball. If curry was able to sit in his favorite spot catch and shoot hed probably shot 60%.

Curry shoots better off the dribble.

curtcocaine
12-10-2014, 10:38 PM
Well, I wouldn't put too much worry into that. Of course, it means something but did we forget that Curry completely disappointed in the three point shooting contest? Also, Curry also has someone named Klay Thompson on his team to disrupt defenders. But, excluding all this, how the hell do you shoot 55% from three pointer averaging 5.4 attempts per game? That's remarkable regardless of how you're doing it.
I agree.

curtcocaine
12-10-2014, 10:40 PM
Curry shoots better off the dribble.
Yeah he should dribble before he shoots free throws then he'd never miss

Shammyguy3
12-10-2014, 10:45 PM
Yes he is. Korver's probably the greatest 3 point specialist though. Curry takes more difficult shots than Korver, so that's my argument

Hawkeye15
12-10-2014, 10:47 PM
Nash is still the best shooter ever.

But considering Curry isn't a sniper, and takes a lot of off the bounce shots, and shoots his rate of 3's, he will no doubt go down as a top 5 shooter ever if he continues.

jerellh528
12-10-2014, 10:52 PM
Steve kerr because he had the highest career 3pt% of all time.

FlashBolt
12-10-2014, 10:54 PM
Nash is still the best shooter ever.

But considering Curry isn't a sniper, and takes a lot of off the bounce shots, and shoots his rate of 3's, he will no doubt go down as a top 5 shooter ever if he continues.

How is it Nash? I am strictly only considering three point shooting. I have a hard time giving that to Nash over many others, tbh.

ManningToTyree
12-10-2014, 11:12 PM
No Ray Allen mention yet?

slaker619
12-10-2014, 11:19 PM
Tim Legler?

Jeffy25
12-10-2014, 11:21 PM
Curry also takes like 7 3's a game. Korver waits to shoot any three's until he has been forgotten about hiding in a corner and can pop one or two.

Curry is running around and when he has daylight, throws it up.


I imagine if Curry took the time that Korver did and hid, he too could put up better percentages.



Curry is gonna pass Allen all time in most three's ever made, I have no doubt in my mind.

Ezio
12-10-2014, 11:25 PM
Nash is still the best shooter ever.

But considering Curry isn't a sniper, and takes a lot of off the bounce shots, and shoots his rate of 3's, he will no doubt go down as a top 5 shooter ever if he continues.

That's what I thought too. But Nash's career is over and Curry is just hitting his prime

ThuglifeJ
12-10-2014, 11:35 PM
Best shooter ever? Nash.
Best 3 pt specialist? Ray, Korver, Ellis, Kerr
Best all around 3 pt shooter? Curry

curtcocaine
12-10-2014, 11:36 PM
Anthony Morrow lol

flea
12-10-2014, 11:39 PM
Curry also takes like 7 3's a game. Korver waits to shoot any three's until he has been forgotten about hiding in a corner and can pop one or two.

Curry is running around and when he has daylight, throws it up.


I imagine if Curry took the time that Korver did and hid, he too could put up better percentages.



Curry is gonna pass Allen all time in most three's ever made, I have no doubt in my mind.

Korver never hides, he is the most feared off-ball shooter in the league. Only a Scott Brooks coached team would "forget" about a shooter like him (clearly hyperbole, even they wouldn't). He also doesn't camp out anywhere, like another poster said. He's one of the best off-ball players on offense, a skill that is too often played down by posters who don't understand the difficulty of off-ball movement in the NBA. It requires scouting preparation, understanding of the offense, anticipation of teammates' tendencies, and a high level awareness of passing angles. Korver is often option #1 in the Hawks' halfcourt sets, and because teams know that their P&Rs have a lot more room to work.

Allphakenny1
12-10-2014, 11:49 PM
Curry is a more off-ball shooter than Korver, I can assure that. The problem is that he plays on the ball far more than Korver which makes shooting threes much harder and in the end lowers his percentages. He is also crazy good at off-ball movement, he just has less opportunity to do that. Curry is by far the best three point shooter we have ever seen. If he is able to play long enough, he will hold every three point record except percentages because he takes too many difficult three point shots.

BKdoubleStacker
12-10-2014, 11:53 PM
Curry also takes like 7 3's a game. Korver waits to shoot any three's until he has been forgotten about hiding in a corner and can pop one or two.

Curry is running around and when he has daylight, throws it up.


I imagine if Curry took the time that Korver did and hid, he too could put up better perclentages.



Curry is gonna pass Allen all time in most three's ever made, I have no doubt in my mind.

So you think curry is going to be healthy for the rest of his career?

flea
12-11-2014, 12:03 AM
Curry is a more off-ball shooter than Korver, I can assure that. The problem is that he plays on the ball far more than Korver which makes shooting threes much harder and in the end lowers his percentages. He is also crazy good at off-ball movement, he just has less opportunity to do that. Curry is by far the best three point shooter we have ever seen. If he is able to play long enough, he will hold every three point record except percentages because he takes too many difficult three point shots.

Curry is very good off-ball but I hardly see him do it much anymore except on set play designs out of timeouts. I haven't watched a ton of GS this season but when I have I don't see much Livingston or Iguodala handling point duties when he's on the floor. With Jack he would often play SG, which is really Curry's "natural" position. He's just unique in that he's as good off the bounce as he is spotting up. (And by "natural" I just mean that he is a scoring guard, I'm not one of these people that pigeonholes guys. But he really is more of a combo guard.)

Korver, though, I would argue is better off-ball. You'd have to do a time-intensive breakdown of all their offensive possessions in order to really parse it but the main things I like Korver more for are his size and release point. He can play off down screens, set screens himself on a pick and pop, and run the pick and roll in addition to sliding around on the weak side. In college Curry could do a lot of creative stuff off the ball (and often had to for all the double teams he saw) but the size disparity is too great in the NBA for that kind of stuff to work.

lol, please
12-11-2014, 02:16 AM
Not yet, but he will be when it's all said and done.

CityofChaos
12-11-2014, 02:20 AM
Curry is better. He can hit the three consistently in more ways than anyone in the league can: isolations, off the dribble, in transition, spot up and any other way you can think of.

Korver is soley spot up shooter. You cant say Curry isn't as good off the dribble considering most of the time he's facilitating the ball but he DOES play well off the ball.

lol, please
12-11-2014, 02:22 AM
Asik's better ;)

tredigs
12-11-2014, 02:44 AM
Curry's the best shooter ever. Period. 3pt. Mid-range. FT. Whatever. He's the best. Besides the ridiculous level of difficulty that he faces with most of his attempts, it's a statistical fact at this point.

Chronz
12-11-2014, 04:13 AM
Korver never hides, he is the most feared off-ball shooter in the league. Only a Scott Brooks coached team would "forget" about a shooter like him (clearly hyperbole, even they wouldn't). He also doesn't camp out anywhere, like another poster said. He's one of the best off-ball players on offense, a skill that is too often played down by posters who don't understand the difficulty of off-ball movement in the NBA. It requires scouting preparation, understanding of the offense, anticipation of teammates' tendencies, and a high level awareness of passing angles. Korver is often option #1 in the Hawks' halfcourt sets, and because teams know that their P&Rs have a lot more room to work.

Ur posts always make me cum

chitownbulls
12-11-2014, 05:12 AM
Korver never hides, he is the most feared off-ball shooter in the league. Only a Scott Brooks coached team would "forget" about a shooter like him (clearly hyperbole, even they wouldn't). He also doesn't camp out anywhere, like another poster said. He's one of the best off-ball players on offense, a skill that is too often played down by posters who don't understand the difficulty of off-ball movement in the NBA. It requires scouting preparation, understanding of the offense, anticipation of teammates' tendencies, and a high level awareness of passing angles. Korver is often option #1 in the Hawks' halfcourt sets, and because teams know that their P&Rs have a lot more room to work.

How is this post not getting more attention? It's not like he's sitting in one spot, wide open, waiting for the ball to shoot a three. No he is constantly moving, and flowing through the offense. And 55% is 55%..No matter which way you look at it. How many players in history have been able to shoot three pointers at such a great efficiency?

bgdreton
12-11-2014, 05:51 AM
Curry and it's not close. Not at all.....

Goose17
12-11-2014, 06:48 AM
Degree of difficulty.

tredigs
12-11-2014, 09:17 AM
Missed the Korver talk. He's a relevant answer. He's almost entirely catch and shoot, but in that facet there is nobody better (ever). But, that would be akin to calling someone the best paint player ever if all they did was absolutely crush it on offensive put-backs and lobs. Ultra valuable talent to possess, but not entirely comparable to the players who can/do dust you in a myriad of ways.

tredigs
12-11-2014, 09:38 AM
Nash is still the best shooter ever.

But considering Curry isn't a sniper, and takes a lot of off the bounce shots, and shoots his rate of 3's, he will no doubt go down as a top 5 shooter ever if he continues.

This is a fair answer too. Steph gives you a higher volume of shots and a higher difficulty of shot, but Nash is right there with him from an efficiency standpoint @ range and from the line. Even slightly bests Curry from deep mid-range, which is ultra rare. As a whole, Nash's PPP was slightly higher due to being stronger at the rim (though #'s wise this season Curry is starting to do that at peak Nash levels as well).

TheNumber37
12-11-2014, 09:53 AM
Shout out to mark price

valade16
12-11-2014, 09:59 AM
The best 3 point shooters I've seen are Steve Nash, Steph Curry and Kyle Korver.

valade16
12-11-2014, 10:01 AM
This is a fair answer too. Steph gives you a higher volume of shots and a higher difficulty of shot, but Nash is right there with him from an efficiency standpoint @ range and from the line. Even slightly bests Curry from deep mid-range, which is ultra rare. As a whole, Nash's PPP was slightly higher due to being stronger at the rim (though #'s wise this season Curry is starting to do that at peak Nash levels as well).

Watching Nash play though you got a sense that had he wanted to he easily could have shot a higher volume but he always tried to get others involved.

tredigs
12-11-2014, 10:03 AM
The best 3 point shooters I've seen are Steve Nash, Steph Curry and Kyle Korver.
How 'bout that Kyrie Irving, ay? Still "not in Lillard's league as a shooter?". Funny what happens when someone gets some solid teammates/motivation and shows what he can do. Who could've guessed? ; )


Watching Nash play though you got a sense that had he wanted to he easily could have shot a higher volume but he always tried to get others involved.
I'd agree there. Though his %'s almost certainly would have slightly dipped and I'm not sure he's capable of the level of difficulty we sometimes see from Curry.

Allphakenny1
12-11-2014, 10:32 AM
Missed the Korver talk. He's a relevant answer. He's almost entirely catch and shoot, but in that facet there is nobody better (ever). But, that would be akin to calling someone the best paint player ever if all they did was absolutely crush it on offensive put-backs and lobs. Ultra valuable talent to possess, but not entirely comparable to the players who can/do dust you in a myriad of ways.

Like Brandon Wright this year!

mike44
12-11-2014, 11:23 AM
curry is probably the best shooter ever and will down as such, but what korver is doing right is ridiculous. Shooting 5 and half threes a game and now at over 56% is pretty much unheard of even if it is over only 21 games. Insane ts% of .752 and scoring 1.67 points per shot.

Tony_Starks
12-11-2014, 01:30 PM
He's the best shooter with a handle I've ever seen. He reminds me of a And 1 player with a actual jumper. But as far as set shooters Chris Mullin was automatic, as was Dana Barros, even his Dad Dell Curry was pretty ridiculous....

* edit*
Forgot about Steve Nash. One of the greatest pure shooters also.

valade16
12-11-2014, 01:32 PM
How 'bout that Kyrie Irving, ay? Still "not in Lillard's league as a shooter?". Funny what happens when someone gets some solid teammates/motivation and shows what he can do. Who could've guessed? ; )

I'd agree there. Though his %'s almost certainly would have slightly dipped and I'm not sure he's capable of the level of difficulty we sometimes see from Curry.

In regards to the Irving thing. It's a long season we'll see at the end. But I would point out Lillard could easily do what Irving is doing next to Bron and Love and would likely do it better.

tredigs
12-11-2014, 01:56 PM
In regards to the Irving thing. It's a long season we'll see at the end. But I would point out Lillard could easily do what Irving is doing next to Bron and Love and would likely do it better.

Their careers show in plain day what these #'s are indicating. I tried spelling that out for you and the Portland contingent then, you're just seeing the results now.

And concerning a switch? Highly doubtful. Even in this current offense (which is in fact a better situation for Irving than he has known in the prior seasons just because they have more players who know how to get him the ball in the right spot), Lillard still averages a large amount of more open looks than him. >51% of Lillard's shots are 'open' to 'wide-open' (counted as more than 6 feet to the closest defender) in comparison to 40% for Kyrie.

Basically, even in a tougher spot than Lillard, he's posting better shooting #'s. It's OK to be wrong. But I do find it funny just how adamant and angry you guys were towards me about it. I don't even particularly like Kyrie. Great shooter, tho'.

Concerning Korver - Curry above, also worth mentioning that Korver gets a much higher % of open looks than Steph or just about any other top option.

valade16
12-11-2014, 02:08 PM
Their careers show in plain day what these #'s are indicating. I tried spelling that out for you and the Portland contingent then, you're just seeing the results now.

And concerning a switch? Highly doubtful. Even in this current offense (which is in fact a better situation for Irving than he has known in the prior seasons just because they have more players who know how to get him the ball in the right spot), Lillard still averages a large amount of more open looks than him. >51% of Lillard's shots are 'open' to 'wide-open' (counted as more than 6 feet to the closest defender) in comparison to 40% for Kyrie.

Basically, even in a tougher spot than Lillard, he's posting better shooting #'s. It's OK to be wrong. But I do find it funny just how adamant and angry you guys were towards me about it. I don't even particularly like Kyrie. Great shooter, tho'.

Concerning Korver - Curry above, also worth mentioning that Korver gets a much higher % of open looks than Steph or just about any other top option.

I love your sanctimonious self righteousness when in fact the other guy posted a ridiculous number of stats that showed you were wrong. But it's OK to be conceited, though I do find it funny you don't realize you are.

Also, the season isn't over, had I wanted to "rub it in" after the first 10 games Lillard was smoking Irving. We shall see what the numbers say at the end of the season.

Hawkeye15
12-11-2014, 02:12 PM
Steve kerr because he had the highest career 3pt% of all time.

sniper alert (they don't make this discussion)

apocalypse15
12-11-2014, 02:22 PM
I didn't realize how far up the list (5th) Paul Pierce is on career 3-pointers made. Not saying he is the best ever but he could end up 3rd-4th on the list when he retires. He most likely won't stay there but worth a mention considering he has hit some clutch 3's in his time.

Hawkeye15
12-11-2014, 02:27 PM
This is a fair answer too. Steph gives you a higher volume of shots and a higher difficulty of shot, but Nash is right there with him from an efficiency standpoint @ range and from the line. Even slightly bests Curry from deep mid-range, which is ultra rare. As a whole, Nash's PPP was slightly higher due to being stronger at the rim (though #'s wise this season Curry is starting to do that at peak Nash levels as well).

I believe Nash is the best shooter ever, he meets a minimum amount of attempts from everywhere. You can't throw in a Steve Kerr for example, the guy was essentially a sniper who rarely took a highly contested shot, or an attempt off the dribble. You have to exclude those guys.

tredigs
12-11-2014, 02:38 PM
I love your sanctimonious self righteousness when in fact the other guy posted a ridiculous number of stats that showed you were wrong. But it's OK to be conceited, though I do find it funny you don't realize you are.

Also, the season isn't over, had I wanted to "rub it in" after the first 10 games Lillard was smoking Irving. We shall see what the numbers say at the end of the season.

lmfao -- Career slash of 45/38/86 on 16.7 FGA's for Kyrie (against roughly ~10% 'tougher' defense than Lillard as it relates to defensive pressure) to a career 43/38/86 on 15.7 FGA's for Lillard.

I said that while Lillard had the better shooting 2013 season, if you take in the totality of their career and what to expect going forward the two were effectively a wash in that regard as a whole. There is no # that you, he, or anyone else provided that showed otherwise. What I said was, "they are equal talents as shooters, and you will see this season when Kyrie actually has some help comparable to Lillard that his %'s will rise accordingly". They have. This with Lillard still getting the easier opportunities. You played me off as some fool mired in some weird Kyrie dogma lmao. I just laughed, provided the relevant #'s/projections and said, "watch". Not a big deal, just thought I'd bring it up here in the shooting thread. I could care less if you think that's me being conceited. I am right. Kyrie can shoot the ball just as well as Lillard. You'd be a fool to continue the parade otherwise. But to each their own.

tredigs
12-11-2014, 02:43 PM
I believe Nash is the best shooter ever, he meets a minimum amount of attempts from everywhere. You can't throw in a Steve Kerr for example, the guy was essentially a sniper who rarely took a highly contested shot, or an attempt off the dribble. You have to exclude those guys.

Yeah, I generally always go (or at least went) with Nash when this topic is brought up (best shooter in general, not just 3's). But, Curry's sample size and myriad of shots from floaters to mid-range jumpers to pull-ups to 3's to FTs, etc is more than relevant enough at this point to join him at the top, I think. I'm a homer when it comes to Curry of course but I think it's grounded in reality from a stat/eye-test perspective.

MrfadeawayJB
12-11-2014, 02:54 PM
Mitch Richmond, Reggie miller, Larry bird and dirk nowitzki honorable mentions

valade16
12-11-2014, 03:19 PM
lmfao -- Career slash of 45/38/86 on 16.7 FGA's for Kyrie (against roughly ~10% 'tougher' defense than Lillard as it relates to defensive pressure) to a career 43/38/86 on 15.7 FGA's for Lillard.

I said that while Lillard had the better shooting 2013 season, if you take in the totality of their career and what to expect going forward the two were effectively a wash in that regard as a whole. There is no # that you, he, or anyone else provided that showed otherwise. What I said was, "they are equal talents as shooters, and you will see this season when Kyrie actually has some help comparable to Lillard that his %'s will rise accordingly". They have. This with Lillard still getting the easier opportunities. You played me off as some fool mired in some weird Kyrie dogma lmao. I just laughed, provided the relevant #'s/projections and said, "watch". Not a big deal, just thought I'd bring it up here in the shooting thread. I could care less if you think that's me being conceited. I am right. Kyrie can shoot the ball just as well as Lillard. You'd be a fool to continue the parade otherwise. But to each their own.

How would you know? Even if it is presented (which it was) you didn't listen before so why on earth would I expect you to listen now?

I do appreciate that you are the first to bring up "sample size" anywhere else but now where 20 games is definitive for this season.

If we are going by your logic Drazen Petrovic is a better 3-point shooter than Curry. He shot a higher % and could shoot off the dribble, when assisted, from anywhere, etc. sample size be damned.

slashsnake
12-11-2014, 03:23 PM
Mitch Richmond, Reggie miller, Larry bird and dirk nowitzki honorable mentions

Throw in Mark Price for me. Guy was deadly and that was from the old line too.

tredigs
12-11-2014, 03:25 PM
How would you know? Even if it is presented (which it was) you didn't listen before so why on earth would I expect you to listen now?

I do appreciate that you are the first to bring up "sample size" anywhere else but now where 20 games is definitive for this season.

If we are going by your logic Drazen Petrovic is a better 3-point shooter than Curry. He shot a higher % and could shoot off the dribble, when assisted, from anywhere, etc. sample size be damned.

Hahah the irony. I'm using career, it was the homer contingent (see: you guys) who were stuck in the single season being played out. This season is just more evidence piled on to everything else that shows Kyrie shoots at his level. You don't get it. That's fine. We can move on.

valade16
12-11-2014, 04:30 PM
Hahah the irony. I'm using career, it was the homer contingent (see: you guys) who were stuck in the single season being played out. This season is just more evidence piled on to everything else that shows Kyrie shoots at his level. You don't get it. That's fine. We can move on.

I love how you keep harping on that as if the other guy was a Blazers fan. He wasn't. He was not a homer by literally any definition of the word.

But by that own sense you really have no place commenting on whether Curry is the best shooter of all-time because you're a homer as well.

alexander_37
12-11-2014, 05:11 PM
Let's give it a decade. yes he is on an amazing path, but this is disrespectful to guys like Nash, Allen, and Miller.

Goose17
12-11-2014, 05:24 PM
Lillard is still a better shooter than Kyrie.

Put Lillard on a team with arguably the greatest player since Michael Jordan and see what happens. Lebron and Love take up way more attention defensively than any combination of Portland team mates that Lillard had. Aldridge can't pass out of the post as well as Love and he doesn't have that outlet pass. There's nobody on the Portland roster that can create for others like Lebron can.

Lillard > Irving

And let's stop pretending otherwise.

All you did Tre was include Lillards rookie year, where obviously he wasn't as good. Go compare Klays career to Harden. Harden destroys him. Compare them this year and it's closer. When talking about right now you only compare right now. History is history. I compared Lillards 2013 season to Kyries because that's what we were talking about, better shooter that year.

But whatever... agree to disagree again. All I know is, if we can't have Curry only other guy I would want is Lillard.

MTar786
12-11-2014, 06:54 PM
i know stats wont back me up but i would go with dirk for best shooter overall. for 3 iduno there are so many. curry is up there for sure

michael jordan
12-11-2014, 08:30 PM
what about
reggie miller
rex champman
mike bibby
larry bird
ray allen

krazylegz
12-11-2014, 08:56 PM
stephen isnt even the best 3 point shooter in his family,let alone ever

FlashBolt
12-11-2014, 09:42 PM
stephen isnt even the best 3 point shooter in his family,let alone ever

Are you inane?

tredigs
12-11-2014, 11:30 PM
Lillard is still a better shooter than Kyrie.

Put Lillard on a team with arguably the greatest player since Michael Jordan and see what happens. Lebron and Love take up way more attention defensively than any combination of Portland team mates that Lillard had. Aldridge can't pass out of the post as well as Love and he doesn't have that outlet pass. There's nobody on the Portland roster that can create for others like Lebron can.

Lillard > Irving

And let's stop pretending otherwise.

All you did Tre was include Lillards rookie year, where obviously he wasn't as good. Go compare Klays career to Harden. Harden destroys him. Compare them this year and it's closer. When talking about right now you only compare right now. History is history. I compared Lillards 2013 season to Kyries because that's what we were talking about, better shooter that year.

But whatever... agree to disagree again. All I know is, if we can't have Curry only other guy I would want is Lillard.

Your argument might hold more water had Lillard not played in an offense that allows him many more open looks per game than Kyrie, including this season (as I already pointed out). Yet, essentially identical #'s shooting wise over their career. Hm.
And lmfao at Lillard over any pg outside of Curry. I guess some guys are just in live with the guy. Wall/CP3/Westbrook/Conley/Lowry. All better options than the defensive shunner that is Lillard.

valade16
12-12-2014, 12:04 PM
Your argument might hold more water had Lillard not played in an offense that allows him many more open looks per game than Kyrie, including this season (as I already pointed out). Yet, essentially identical #'s shooting wise over their career. Hm. And lmfao at Lillard over any pg outside of Curry. I guess some guys are just in live with the guy. Wall/CP3/Westbrook/Conley/Lowry. All better options than the defensive shunner that is Lillard.

I think he meant as a shooter at the PG position not overall, because clearly CP3 and Westbrook are vastly superior to him. As a Blazer fan I'm not sure I'd trade Lillard for Wall, Conley or Lowry at this point, though I can see the argument for any of them being better.

likemystylez
12-13-2014, 06:27 PM
Curry shoots better off the dribble.

curry shoots better off the dribble than most players.... currys career spot up 3 point percetage is ridiculous (like 64% from last report I saw at some point last season)... unfortunately like 80% of his shots come off the dribble.

when he gets an assist for a 3- hes as good or better a sshooter than anybody in the league though

likemystylez
12-13-2014, 06:29 PM
Are you inane?

dell would probably go toe to toe with curry in spot up shooting... currys ability off the bounce would alter things though

valade16
12-18-2014, 11:41 AM
Since you tried to call me out so early in the season, here are their shooting #'s now:

Irving: 37.5% 3PT on 4.7 3PTA. 83.9% FT% on 5.2 FTA.

Lillard: 39.0% 3PT on 6.6 3PTA. 87.0% FT% on 4.7 FTA.

Somebodies better...

JustinTime
12-18-2014, 12:25 PM
If Curry only took smart shots he'd be right up there with Nash. Nash was so good because he rarely took a poor shot.

valade16
12-18-2014, 12:36 PM
^ A seemingly stupid 3 from Curry is a quality shot from nearly anyone else.

tredigs
12-18-2014, 01:31 PM
Since you tried to call me out so early in the season, here are their shooting #'s now:

Irving: 37.5% 3PT on 4.7 3PTA. 83.9% FT% on 5.2 FTA.

Lillard: 39.0% 3PT on 6.6 3PTA. 87.0% FT% on 4.7 FTA.

Somebodies better...
Yes, Kyrie had a poor shooting week it seems. Haha - thank you for the update. But, wake me up when there is a significant gap in their career averages? Which is my entire point. This - as I remind you again - in an offense that has never failed to offer Lillard a significant amount of more open looks than Irving. I actually thought that this season that would change for Irving, but unfortunately for him it hasn't. That said, it's enough of an upgrade from a personnel standpoint that as they fine tune I fully expect his #'s to regulate at Lillard's level - as they have averaged their whole career.

tredigs
12-18-2014, 01:33 PM
If Curry only took smart shots he'd be right up there with Nash. Nash was so good because he rarely took a poor shot.

Big difference between a guy who is needed to be the #1 (Curry) and Nash, who never had to score 20 a game nor be that #1 option.

valade16
12-18-2014, 02:02 PM
^ Again, you are including Damian's rookie season when it's obvious that will not be his norm going forward.

In their last 100 games Damian Lillard is averaging 39.3% and Kyrie Irving is averaging 36.2%.

By your logic Kobe Bryant is an efficient scorer right now because his career FG% is 45.2% and even though he's at 38% this year 2 years ago he was at 46%.

Sactown
12-18-2014, 02:48 PM
Peja Stojakovic

Goose17
12-18-2014, 04:11 PM
^ Again, you are including Damian's rookie season when it's obvious that will not be his norm going forward.

In their last 100 games Damian Lillard is averaging 39.3% and Kyrie Irving is averaging 36.2%.

By your logic Kobe Bryant is an efficient scorer right now because his career FG% is 45.2% and even though he's at 38% this year 2 years ago he was at 46%.

This^ 100%

THE MTL
12-18-2014, 06:15 PM
I think we can all agree that Curry has the greatest peak of any 3pt shooter. Last season is something that's never been done before.

BKLYNpigeon
12-18-2014, 06:50 PM
who cares who the best 3 point shooter is. Just watch and enjoy.

tredigs
12-19-2014, 03:31 AM
^ Again, you are including Damian's rookie season when it's obvious that will not be his norm going forward.

In their last 100 games Damian Lillard is averaging 39.3% and Kyrie Irving is averaging 36.2%.

By your logic Kobe Bryant is an efficient scorer right now because his career FG% is 45.2% and even though he's at 38% this year 2 years ago he was at 46%.
lmfao. And by your logic, comparing a declining Kobe Bryant off of an Achilles surgery and a 22 year old Kyrie Irving is sound logic.

You're ****ing clueless, and this "debate" bores me.

kingsdelez24
12-19-2014, 03:35 AM
Peja Stojakovic

"Turn on the sprinkler systems, Peja Stojakovic is on fire!"

Kashmir13579
12-19-2014, 03:36 AM
Dirk

mvb815
12-19-2014, 04:00 AM
Those saying Korver is just a spot up shooter obviously don't watch his games or have faith in other teams coaches. You think it doesn't say anything in the scouting report on Korver who takes 5.5 3s a game? Some of them are crazy off balance or well defended. Much like curry, if Korver gets a shot off, chances are it's going in.

Korvers ability to move without the ball is being harshly underrated too, it's like you guys think Korver is a guy just chilling in the corner that people forget about. No, people play up on him even when the ball is on the other side of the court. Both of these guys are on fire though

PatsSoxKnicks
12-19-2014, 05:09 AM
Yes, Kyrie had a poor shooting week it seems. Haha - thank you for the update. But, wake me up when there is a significant gap in their career averages? Which is my entire point. This - as I remind you again - in an offense that has never failed to offer Lillard a significant amount of more open looks than Irving. I actually thought that this season that would change for Irving, but unfortunately for him it hasn't. That said, it's enough of an upgrade from a personnel standpoint that as they fine tune I fully expect his #'s to regulate at Lillard's level - as they have averaged their whole career.

Why? Kyrie chooses to take a lot of contested off the dribble 3s. Not a bad shot if it's early enough in the shot clock. I can't pull those %'s right now but I see him shoot this type a lot. And it's entirely because he's so confident in his abilities, doesn't have that much to do with the offense. I would think Blatt isn't calling for him to shoot these types of shots and yet he does.

Goose17
12-19-2014, 09:08 AM
lmfao. And by your logic, comparing a declining Kobe Bryant off of an Achilles surgery and a 22 year old Kyrie Irving is sound logic.

You're ****ing clueless, and this "debate" bores me.

The guy who resorts to insults and "I'm too good for this discussion" type attitude is usually wrong and just not willing to admit it. Just saying.

valade16
12-19-2014, 09:52 AM
^ "This debate bores me" is slang for "I'm getting my *** kicked" :laugh2:

Funny thing is, the only reason I brought this up again is because he tried calling me out like 15 games into the season saying Irving was shooting as well as Lillard.

He brought this back up, not me. And now it bores him? I'll bet.

jp611
12-19-2014, 10:21 AM
Korver never hides, he is the most feared off-ball shooter in the league. Only a Scott Brooks coached team would "forget" about a shooter like him (clearly hyperbole, even they wouldn't). He also doesn't camp out anywhere, like another poster said. He's one of the best off-ball players on offense, a skill that is too often played down by posters who don't understand the difficulty of off-ball movement in the NBA. It requires scouting preparation, understanding of the offense, anticipation of teammates' tendencies, and a high level awareness of passing angles. Korver is often option #1 in the Hawks' halfcourt sets, and because teams know that their P&Rs have a lot more room to work.

This post also made me cum.

tredigs
12-19-2014, 10:40 AM
Why? Kyrie chooses to take a lot of contested off the dribble 3s. Not a bad shot if it's early enough in the shot clock. I can't pull those %'s right now but I see him shoot this type a lot. And it's entirely because he's so confident in his abilities, doesn't have that much to do with the offense. I would think Blatt isn't calling for him to shoot these types of shots and yet he does.

I'd buy that it's partly because of his confidence, it's clear that he has no shortage of that. It's also partly because he has never played in a well constructed offense. Statistically, the Cavs are strong so far this season, but that's because they have too much firepower not to be. On a personal level, he's not getting better looks yet (I think this comes as the season progresses). No elite shooter is passing up wide open shots is the point, and Lillard has consistently been afforded many more of those opportunities in his career. It goes along with the territory of having never been a #1 option and playing in a finer tuned offense.

Yet, with that being the case, has still not posted better career shooting #'s than Irving. Their entire argument is based upon ignoring the totality of the sample size and focusing on the 2013/14 season (where Kyrie had a down year, and Lillard an upswing). My contention is that despite the massive one year sample size they bestowed upon us that proved to them that Irving was "not in Lillard's league!" as a shooter, it's plain as day from both an eye test and a statistically valid sample size that they are in fact - in the exact same league. This season further proves that. And it cracks me up that they refuse to believe it (hence me at times to resorting to dismissive laughter/insults. I'm immature, I can't help myself).

At the end of the season the two will - once again - have virtually identical career shooting #'s. Ho-hum.

valade16
12-19-2014, 11:36 AM
^ I love how you say "Lillard an upswing" as if he wasn't going from his rookie year to his 2nd year in the league, a period in which we usually see tremendous growth from quality players in terms of efficiency.

Seriously, how many star wings or PGs came into the league their rookie season shooting as good as they ever will? It's such an absurdly ridiculous argument to act like Lillard's tremendous upswing might simply be an anomaly or statistical deviation and not the normal expected growth of a young talented shooter.

I'd also point out that Lillard's career 3PT % is 38.2% and Irving's is 37.8%, so Lillard is already ahead of him and in the last 100 games Lillard is shooting better (39%) and Irving worse (36%) so it's likely at this point we will see a further increase in the disparity of their shooting %'s.

I'd also point out Lillard is shooting 6.5 3's a game where as Irving is shooting 4.5 3's a game, and generally as volume increases efficiency decreases yet they are the same efficiency. Whether you think Irving is shooting as good as Lillard at 3's right now, do you think he would continue to shoot as well from 3 if he took 2 more attempts per game?

Also, don't push this off to the end of the season. That's what I was content to do. It was YOU who brought this **** up 15 games into the season. Don't talk about statistically valid sample sizes when you tried to call me out after 15 games... You are just throwing a hissy fit because your plan of trying to call me out backfired tremendously.

Lastly, You continually point to their career #'s as if what they did 3 years ago can somehow determine how good they are right now. Who is the better shooter right now? The guy who is wiping the floor with the other % wise right now or the guy who had the same numbers 2 years ago?

About the only thing you've got right thus far is you are immature. Other than that, your argument stands on the shaky foundation of faulty logic.

tredigs
12-19-2014, 12:06 PM
lmao -- oh Valade, your infatuation has your panties in a wad again. Here is the most hilarious part of your post. "And Lillard already has a career 38.2 3pt% to Kyrie's 37.8%"!

You do realize your stance is that you maintain the two "are not in the same league" as shooters, correct?

Just want to drive that home. Not. The. Same. League.

I brought it up because Kyrie's #'s are predictably and obviously rising over his 2013/14 aberration of a season. The 2nd most hilarious part of your post was the irony of bringing up, "the expected growth of a young and talented shooter" in reference to Lillard, while simultaneously ignoring the obvious conclusion that the 2013/14 season was most likely an anomaly for Kyrie. Especially considering Kyrie's 2 first seasons as an average eclipse Lillard's peak season last year, and he was the younger player in the much tougher role. FYI, Lillard's shooting has not increased over last season to this point.

And I fully disagree with 6.5 attempts being a significant enough increase over 4.5 attempts from range to warrant an expected decrease in 3pt %'s considering that he has always been a #2 option in a better offense who has statistically seen more "wide open" looks year over year. That said, I think it's important to shoot more 3's when they're available. It's a + for him that he gets them and doesn't shy away.

I told you Kyrie's #'s would increase back to their expected rates this year - and despite the down week - shocker, that's exactly what we're seeing.

So, I guess the ultimate question here is, what in the **** exactly do you consider the same league as a shooter, if you're having us assume that the two are so clearly "in different" ones?

Goose17
12-19-2014, 07:42 PM
Now you're just arguing semantics.

tredigs
12-19-2014, 08:12 PM
Now you're just arguing semantics.

Lmao no, it really isn't. But if that allows you to stop digging your holes' deeper and end this discussion, so be it.

PatsSoxKnicks
12-19-2014, 08:29 PM
I'd buy that it's partly because of his confidence, it's clear that he has no shortage of that. It's also partly because he has never played in a well constructed offense. Statistically, the Cavs are strong so far this season, but that's because they have too much firepower not to be. On a personal level, he's not getting better looks yet (I think this comes as the season progresses). No elite shooter is passing up wide open shots is the point, and Lillard has consistently been afforded many more of those opportunities in his career. It goes along with the territory of having never been a #1 option and playing in a finer tuned offense.

Yet, with that being the case, has still not posted better career shooting #'s than Irving. Their entire argument is based upon ignoring the totality of the sample size and focusing on the 2013/14 season (where Kyrie had a down year, and Lillard an upswing). My contention is that despite the massive one year sample size they bestowed upon us that proved to them that Irving was "not in Lillard's league!" as a shooter, it's plain as day from both an eye test and a statistically valid sample size that they are in fact - in the exact same league. This season further proves that. And it cracks me up that they refuse to believe it (hence me at times to resorting to dismissive laughter/insults. I'm immature, I can't help myself).

At the end of the season the two will - once again - have virtually identical career shooting #'s. Ho-hum.

The Cavs don't really have a well constructed offense right now though- high isolation frequency, middle of the pack passes per game, one of the worst distance traveled per 48 minus, lower in the league in screens set, middling in cut efficiency. Just not that much movement in their offense. Part of the reason for that is Kyrie's a ball stopper. He's got to learn to play better within the framework of an offense and a lot of that is eliminating these contested off the dribble 3s he takes so often- and makes at a pretty good clip- in favor of more movement and not having the ball stick in his hands. And he's always been an isolation player. Nothing wrong with that but just what he is. So I'm not exactly sure why you were expecting him to get more open looks? I suppose the surprising aspect is that the Blatt offense hasn't really gone as planed as there's still a lot of isolation involved in their O but I mean Kyrie is an isolation player. He chooses those shots because he's so confident in his abilities- specifically his 1 on 1 ability. Take you off the dribble from anywhere on the court.

I do agree that it makes sense to look at career numbers in terms of shooting 3s. It takes about 750 3 point attempts for 3pt% to stabilize (http://nyloncalculus.com/2014/08/29/long-take-three-point-shooting-stabilize/), which is more than a full season. So Lillard's entire season last year could've all been randomness/noise when you factor in that a player's 3pt% has a high variance year to year (though if you factor in both Lillard's season last year and this year- about 750 attempts- thats an adequate better sample size. Anything beyond that and you can look at player's improvements in shooting.) But this is exactly why you have teams searching for analytics people able to successfully predict 3pt% for a season. You do that- you'll get hired.

Anyways, no doubt Kyrie takes tougher 3s but thats his own doing, not anyone else's fault. He's supremely confident in his abilities and he'll shoot that contested off dribble 3. And to be honest, the Cavs are fine with those shots. I have no idea if we'll eventually see Blatt's motion offense in it's full form or just snippets here and there but either way, I doubt Kyrie stops shooting isolation contested off dribble 3s any time soon.

PatsSoxKnicks
12-19-2014, 08:33 PM
You guys both need to read this article: http://nyloncalculus.com/2014/08/29/long-take-three-point-shooting-stabilize/

Then make your arguments. FYI, this has made it's way into various front offices- so don't dismiss it.

(edit: maybe various isn't the right word. I'm only positive about 1 and very reasonably sure about another.)

tredigs
12-19-2014, 10:23 PM
Nice read, and pretty common sense at that. I'm sure there's an equally similar corollary for FT's and mid-range shooting (assuming a fairly similar role) It echoes my point that Kyrie's 3rd season was the anomaly and not the norm, and that we can expect him to put up the same elite shooting #'s from his first couple seasons going forward. Takes harder shots? Sure. He may in fact be a better shooter than I am giving him credit for (and just a slightly worse shot selection), but being a #1 option rather than a #2 can not be discounted, particularly when the other options in Lillard's case are also elite 3pt threats and floor stretchers for him. Even assuming Kyrie puts some of this on himself, it's without a doubt an easier role shooting wise.

And, my point still remains and is proven -- same level as shooters.

ewing
12-19-2014, 11:36 PM
Why? Kyrie chooses to take a lot of contested off the dribble 3s. Not a bad shot if it's early enough in the shot clock. I can't pull those %'s right now but I see him shoot this type a lot. And it's entirely because he's so confident in his abilities, doesn't have that much to do with the offense. I would think Blatt isn't calling for him to shoot these types of shots and yet he does.

Lillard is great shooter off the bounce going both ways. He gets better looks b/c he is better.

ewing
12-19-2014, 11:37 PM
to answer the OP question, yes

ewing
12-19-2014, 11:51 PM
who are these teams that are leaving Damian Lillard? Do they guard anyone?

valade16
01-06-2015, 02:43 PM
Bump.

3-PT Shooting update:

Lillard: 7.1 3PA / 39.3% / Career 38.3%

Irving: 4.5 3PA / 34.7% / Career 37.4%

Yeah, they still look about equal as shooters :rolleyes:

tredigs
01-06-2015, 02:54 PM
Bump.

3-PT Shooting update:

Lillard: 7.1 3PA / 39.3% / Career 38.3%

Irving: 4.5 3PA / 34.7% / Career 37.4%

Yeah, they still look about equal as shooters :rolleyes:

Career slash of 45/37.5/86 to Lillard's current year of 46/39/87 (career bests and a 30 game sample size).

WORLDs apart. lmao.

Irving situation unfortunately still sucks this year despite the increase in talent. That team is a mess. He should not be absolved of that as part of the problem (though he's likely a small part), but in comparing the two with context and as a whole, I'm still right. And you're still an annoying homer.

valade16
01-06-2015, 03:40 PM
Career slash of 45/37.5/86 to Lillard's current year of 46/39/87 (career bests and a 30 game sample size).

WORLDs apart. lmao.

Irving situation unfortunately still sucks this year despite the increase in talent. That team is a mess. He should not be absolved of that as part of the problem (though he's likely a small part), but in comparing the two with context and as a whole, I'm still right. And you're still an annoying homer.

Your so butthurt right now I love it. The best part is, you started this by trying to call me out at the beginning of the season. Funny how you weren't using Irving's career slash line then...

But I love the logic. Irving had comparable numbers 3 years ago so he must be as good RIGHT NOW as Lillard. Sound logic. If someone else tried using such absurdity you'd rightly laugh in their face, but you have too much of an ego to admit you were wrong.

Here's what I see:

This season Lillard has been a better shooter.

The last 100 games each, Lillard has been a better shooter.

3 years ago Irving shot as well as Lillard.

Keep clinging to the idea that right now Irving is as good a shooter as Lillard.

tredigs
01-06-2015, 03:55 PM
kid, we've been over this 50 times. Not a thing has changed.

valade16
01-06-2015, 03:58 PM
kid, we've been over this 50 times. Not a thing has changed.

You're right about that. You're still the same stubborn, sore loser who can't admit he's wrong that you've been ever since we started this argument.

True or False: Damian Lillard has been a better shooter this season?

Goose17
01-06-2015, 04:18 PM
Sorry but Irving still isn't close to Lillards level.

If the Warriors didn't have Steph the only other point guard I would want is Lillard.

valade16
01-06-2015, 05:42 PM
Sorry but Irving still isn't close to Lillards level.

If the Warriors didn't have Steph the only other point guard I would want is Lillard.

He was wrong and he just flat won't admit it. It's comical how stubborn and defensive he's being.

lol, please
01-06-2015, 09:34 PM
Keeping it brief:

Kyle Korver
3/5.4 3PM/3PA = 55% from the three pointer.

Small example but this guy is undoubtedly one of the greatest shooters of all time. IMO, Korver is having the best shooting season of all time from the three point line.
How can you admit it's a small sample then turn around and say goat? If this is trolling, it's a pathetic attempt.

Also, I can see an argument for it not being curry, but to then use Kyrie as a rebuttal is laughable.

lol, please
01-06-2015, 09:36 PM
I also love how because something happened 2 years ago it somehow has no bearing now according to valade. Flawed if logic there ever was.

valade16
01-07-2015, 10:44 AM
I also love how because something happened 2 years ago it somehow has no bearing now according to valade. Flawed if logic there ever was.

It has no bearing on who the better shooter right now is. Certainly you agree on that part?

Who would you want taking a 3-pointer, the guy who for the last 2 years has been shooting 39.3% or the guy who for the last 2 years has been shooting 35% but 3-4 years ago shot 39.5%?

I think most would take the guy who is shooting better right now and has been shooting better for the last 2 years. I'm also not even going to go into the fact that Lillard is taking 6-7 3's a game whereas Irving only ever takes 4-4.5, and Lillard is still beating him in % despite the higher volume.

As you just ripped Flashbolt for using a small sample size, you can't discount the higher volume of Lillard.

There are only 3 people who would say right now Irving is a better shooter than Lillard: Tredigs, Irving and Irving's mother.

PayDaPiper
01-07-2015, 11:11 AM
Curry is arguably the best shooter of all time, in the conversation with Ray and Reggie.

But HE IS the best shooter of all time when it comes to creating his own shot, almost feel like he makes more difficult threes coming off of pick and rolls then when he's wide open spotting up.

It's true for most players...but when Steph catches fire, it really is something to watch

tredigs
01-07-2015, 04:59 PM
It has no bearing on who the better shooter right now is. Certainly you agree on that part?

Who would you want taking a 3-pointer, the guy who for the last 2 years has been shooting 39.3% or the guy who for the last 2 years has been shooting 35% but 3-4 years ago shot 39.5%?

I think most would take the guy who is shooting better right now and has been shooting better for the last 2 years. I'm also not even going to go into the fact that Lillard is taking 6-7 3's a game whereas Irving only ever takes 4-4.5, and Lillard is still beating him in % despite the higher volume.

As you just ripped Flashbolt for using a small sample size, you can't discount the higher volume of Lillard.

There are only 3 people who would say right now Irving is a better shooter than Lillard: Tredigs, Irving and Irving's mother.

Best part of your little panty wiping tirade is that I've never claimed Irving was the better shooter. Never. My original stance stands and is correct. Unless of course you get to reverse your positions when convenient and assume young/growing talents will in fact get worse as their career develops. I'll choose to believe that the #'s didn't lie and it's more of a situation based anomaly (Kyrie's being poor. Lillard's being fantastic) for the time being.

valade16
01-07-2015, 05:13 PM
Best part of your little panty wiping tirade is that I've never claimed Irving was the better shooter. Never. My original stance stands and is correct. Unless of course you get to reverse your positions when convenient and assume young/growing talents will in fact get worse as their career develops. I'll choose to believe that the #'s didn't lie and it's more of a situation based anomaly (Kyrie's being poor. Lillard's being fantastic) for the time being.

Lillard's being fantastic? Do you mean to imply that he is not capable of sustaining his current shooting %? Now who is being intentionally obtuse? You don't think he will be able to maintain that level of shooting?

Hell, if you go back to his rookie season, his 3PT% pre all-star weekend was 34%, his 3PT% post all-star? 40%. He has shot 39% for 3/4ths of his career and 34% for the first 1/4th but you think it's just a matter of him getting hot? How laughably ridiculous.

The only thing you have at this point is that Irving is going through some slump or has some situation that precludes him from shooting well. But how do you know the opposite wasn't true? How do you know that his first 2 years didn't have a situation so beneficial to his shooting that it inflated what he is normally capable of?

It's the same argument used against Ariza in the other thread.

Whatever, we can discuss this at the end of the year when Lillard is still smoking Irving in 3PT%, then we can discuss it at the end of next year when Lillard will still be smoking Irving, and the next year, and the next, until 10 years from now we all look back and laugh at how wrong and stubborn you were.

Or you can admit you're wrong now. Your choice.

tredigs
01-07-2015, 05:30 PM
Lillard's being fantastic? Do you mean to imply that he is not capable of sustaining his current shooting %? Now who is being intentionally obtuse? You don't think he will be able to maintain that level of shooting?

Hell, if you go back to his rookie season, his 3PT% pre all-star weekend was 34%, his 3PT% post all-star? 40%. He has shot 39% for 3/4ths of his career and 34% for the first 1/4th but you think it's just a matter of him getting hot? How laughably ridiculous.

The only thing you have at this point is that Irving is going through some slump or has some situation that precludes him from shooting well. But how do you know the opposite wasn't true? How do you know that his first 2 years didn't have a situation so beneficial to his shooting that it inflated what he is normally capable of?

It's the same argument used against Ariza in the other thread.

Whatever, we can discuss this at the end of the year when Lillard is still smoking Irving in 3PT%, then we can discuss it at the end of next year when Lillard will still be smoking Irving, and the next year, and the next, until 10 years from now we all look back and laugh at how wrong and stubborn you were.

Or you can admit you're wrong now. Your choice.

No, you dunce. Reading comprehension truly is not your friend, is it? "Lillard's being fantastic" is referring to him playing alongside an awesome offensive situation throughout his career. IE he has never been a #1 (all Kyrie knew until this season... which has been a tumultuous situation in growing pains for them to say the least), and has had elite 3pt spacing next to him which allows him much freer looks than Kyrie has ever been afforded. And even still, through a full sample size their #'s are in the same ballpark. Certainly not "another world" as you and your allegiance of dunces maintain.

Feel free to update it all you want.

valade16
01-07-2015, 05:45 PM
No, you dunce. Reading comprehension truly is not your friend, is it? "Lillard's being fantastic" is referring to him playing alongside an awesome offensive situation throughout his career. IE he has never been a #1 (all Kyrie knew until this season... which has been a tumultuous situation in growing pains for them to say the least), and has had elite 3pt spacing next to him which allows him much freer looks than Kyrie has ever been afforded. And even still, through a full sample size their #'s are in the same ballpark. Certainly not "another world" as you and your allegiance of dunces maintain.

Feel free to update it all you want.


I shall, in 5 years your absurdly stupid opinion will be looked at as badly as those that said Kobe is better than Jordan.

valade16
01-07-2015, 05:53 PM
I also just looked and his 2012-2013 season he shot 31% from 3 post-all star break.

He was a 39% shooter for his first 93 games, and a 34% shooter for the last 120. So he's been a far worse 3PT Shooter than Lillard longer than he's ever shot as good as him.

More food for thought.

valade16
01-07-2015, 05:55 PM
Oh, and since you want to use Irving's career slash, here they are:

Lillard 46.0% / 38.3% / 87.1%
Irving 44.8% / 37.4% / 85.9%

Lillard is literally better at shooting this year in every facet than Irving has been his entire career. In what universe is 0/3 "as good"?

MTar786
01-07-2015, 08:53 PM
lillard is better than irving
/debate

tredigs
01-07-2015, 09:18 PM
lillard is better than irving
/debate

Nothing to do with the debate, but mahalo for your input.

MTar786
01-07-2015, 09:25 PM
kyrie is owning the rockets

lol, please
01-08-2015, 12:47 AM
kyrie is owning the rockets
No surprise there.

FlashBolt
01-08-2015, 05:07 AM
How can you admit it's a small sample then turn around and say goat? If this is trolling, it's a pathetic attempt.

Also, I can see an argument for it not being curry, but to then use Kyrie as a rebuttal is laughable.

What? On a shooting standpoint, who has had a better shooting season than Korver? I said it was a small sample based off the season but last season, he shot 47% from three. The season before that, 46%. He's at 51% right now but he's having three of the best shooting seasons.

Goose17
01-08-2015, 07:13 AM
No, you dunce. Reading comprehension truly is not your friend, is it? "Lillard's being fantastic" is referring to him playing alongside an awesome offensive situation throughout his career. IE he has never been a #1 (all Kyrie knew until this season... which has been a tumultuous situation in growing pains for them to say the least), and has had elite 3pt spacing next to him which allows him much freer looks than Kyrie has ever been afforded. And even still, through a full sample size their #'s are in the same ballpark. Certainly not "another world" as you and your allegiance of dunces maintain.

Feel free to update it all you want.

Kyrie is playing with a person who was regarded as the best PF in the league and another guy who is regarded as possibly top 10 all time.

Irving doesn't get better looks than Lillard? Smh...

Goose17
01-08-2015, 07:14 AM
What? On a shooting standpoint, who has had a better shooting season than Korver? I said it was a small sample based off the season but last season, he shot 47% from three. The season before that, 46%. He's at 51% right now but he's having three of the best shooting seasons.

He said Kyrie. :/

PhillyFaninLA
01-08-2015, 08:30 AM
Mitch Richmond, Reggie miller, Larry bird and dirk nowitzki honorable mentions

Thank you I was waiting to read Reggie and Larry