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Jeffy25
11-12-2014, 05:35 PM
Ken Rosenthal

Halladay
11-12-2014, 05:44 PM
He's going to slow down after playing for a contract. I can't see a 36 year old replicating what he did last year, I'm expecting something between his 2013 and 2014 numbers which would still make him a good player.

StayOnBoard
11-12-2014, 05:54 PM
Agreed ^ He's still a great hitter but likely won't be worth the contract and very unlikely to produce like he did last year.

That said, for a team like Detroit who's all in - as long as it's not STUPID money (like ... 4/75+) then I like it for them.

Jeffy25
11-12-2014, 05:58 PM
I am guessing 4/52 or so

Jeffy25
11-12-2014, 06:00 PM
The guy has plate discipline we don't see a lot of anymore in the league

But I don't think he keeps a 16% HR/FB rate either.

I think he's more of a .310/.380/.525 type of hitter right now, and will see 5-10% regression projections over the next four years, making him a productive hitter


Just needs to be healthy, and he'll produce.

More-Than-Most
11-12-2014, 06:06 PM
I would have focused on the bull pen and pitching first IMO

LionsFan..LOL
11-12-2014, 06:09 PM
I would have focused on the bull pen and pitching first IMO

We (us Tigers fans) all want the BP fixed but DD isn't going to do that or so his recent press conference would indicate. He's banking on Nathan and Soria returning to form along with giving Hanrahan another minor leage deal. Admittedly its a bit frustrating to hear he's sticking with the same guys but DD has said this before and then gone out and pulled a big deal so who really can be sure.

Terms for V-Mart are 4/70 according to Enrique Rojas of ESPN. We are all in anyway so we had to bring him back. It didn't exceed the 80 million point which was my biggest fear. He probably won't live up to the deal I agree but for where we are is was needed.

Jeffy25
11-12-2014, 06:13 PM
4/68 is in

slaker619
11-12-2014, 06:14 PM
Not shocked & good move

Jeffy25
11-12-2014, 06:14 PM
It's a fair deal. Ideally, the last year is a team option, but it's a fine deal for both player and team

DarkKnight
11-12-2014, 06:19 PM
Not bad deal

jej
11-12-2014, 06:35 PM
Wish the Mariners had gotten him. I wouldn't have balked at 4/75 or so.

thawv
11-12-2014, 06:42 PM
I could never understand why a team would allow a guy to hit the open market, and THEN re sign him. It will always drive the price tag up. It will never drive it down.

I'm extremely sure that if they would have agreed to an extension during the season, it would have been for less money.

mark1125
11-12-2014, 07:06 PM
I think it is reasonable. They need his bat and more importantly, his plate discipline.

LASportsFan1996
11-12-2014, 07:42 PM
4 years for VMart seems... too much. blah.

jej
11-12-2014, 07:44 PM
I could never understand why a team would allow a guy to hit the open market, and THEN re sign him. It will always drive the price tag up. It will never drive it down.

I'm extremely sure that if they would have agreed to an extension during the season, it would have been for less money.

Who says they didn't try and V-Mart says no since he knows it will drive the price up?

But this is still under what most projections suggested

spliff(TONE)
11-12-2014, 07:44 PM
Great timing on a huge year with the bat. I'd bet money he never comes close to matching his 2014 numbers.

Halladay
11-12-2014, 09:31 PM
I could never understand why a team would allow a guy to hit the open market, and THEN re sign him. It will always drive the price tag up. It will never drive it down.

I'm extremely sure that if they would have agreed to an extension during the season, it would have been for less money.

It's not that hard to understand really, the player wants to test the market and if he doesn't like what he sees there's likely still an offer on the table from the team they previously played for. We may see the same with Melky Cabrera, I hope.

-Lavigne43-
11-12-2014, 11:52 PM
It's funny how David Ortiz hasn't been able to touch a long term deal like this as a DH. It's a stupid contract, but like many have said, it doesn't really matter for the Tigers since their long term health is already bleak.

StayOnBoard
11-13-2014, 01:26 PM
It's funny how David Ortiz hasn't been able to touch a long term deal like this as a DH. It's a stupid contract, but like many have said, it doesn't really matter for the Tigers since their long term health is already bleak.

I honestly think Ortiz leaves money on the table every time he's a FA to resign with Boston. He loves it there and the fans love him just as much.

He has lots of money, he probably cares more about winning/being a fan favorite. Good on him...

filihok
11-13-2014, 05:38 PM
Yuck.

It's gonna be ugly for the Tigers here in a bit

Capital G
11-14-2014, 08:51 AM
i wont lie. wanted them to lose him (not to us as i dont want to touch that contract for a 36 yr old). i highly doubt he repeats last yr.

hes a great hitter and the tigers are all in. their future isnt looking good so they need to try and keep winning now.

Twitchy
11-14-2014, 12:11 PM
Yuck.

It's gonna be ugly for the Tigers here in a bit

2018 is going to be exciting, when they're paying around $80M for Prince Fielder to play for Texas, and for the last year of V-Mart, and one of the last couple years of the Verlander deal, and Cabrera.

GoBraves
11-15-2014, 09:25 AM
One less power hitter off the market. Bodes well for the Braves. The more Attractive J.Upton and Gattis become in the trade market.

Jeffy25
11-17-2014, 12:05 PM
2018 is going to be exciting, when they're paying around $80M for Prince Fielder to play for Texas, and for the last year of V-Mart, and one of the last couple years of the Verlander deal, and Cabrera.

In 2017:

The Tigers will owe:
Verlander - 84 at age 34 (there is a vesting option that is unlikely)
Miggy - 220 at age 34
Anibal - 21 at age 33
Kinsler - 16 at age 35
Victor - 36 at age 38

Fielder - 24 million

And they will be in their last year with J.D. Martinez

That's a lot of money owed to what will likely not be very productive players at that age.

That's 118 million for the 2017 season, and I'm not so certain you will get much production out of these spots. Anibal and Miggy will probably be the most productive

jej
11-17-2014, 01:14 PM
In 2017:

The Tigers will owe:
Verlander - 84 at age 34 (there is a vesting option that is unlikely)
Miggy - 220 at age 34
Anibal - 21 at age 33
Kinsler - 16 at age 35
Victor - 36 at age 38

Fielder - 24 million

And they will be in their last year with J.D. Martinez

That's a lot of money owed to what will likely not be very productive players at that age.

That's 118 million for the 2017 season, and I'm not so certain you will get much production out of these spots. Anibal and Miggy will probably be the most productive

Jeff Sullivan had a piece on it, talking about how it isn't a disaster like people say.