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ILLUSIONIST^248
10-30-2014, 10:44 PM
Starts his decline?

He doesn't look the same. In 43 minutes he had 17 points, 5rebounds, and 4 assist on 33 percent shooting. He looked awful and his athleticism looks to have taken a hit. What do you guys think?

Ariza's Better
10-30-2014, 10:46 PM
Nope just 1 game.

jerellh528
10-30-2014, 10:46 PM
Obviously. I think he might've stopped taking roids

chi-townlove1
10-30-2014, 10:47 PM
Lmao your such a troll

chi-townlove1
10-30-2014, 10:47 PM
Your good at it though. I'll give you that

goingfor28
10-30-2014, 10:47 PM
He's done

SportsFanatic10
10-30-2014, 11:00 PM
hahah kobe fans are so sensitive. it's getting quite sad actually.

bucketss
10-30-2014, 11:01 PM
he's done.

P&GRealist
10-30-2014, 11:02 PM
Lmao your such a troll

you're

cmellofan15
10-30-2014, 11:03 PM
yeah, he's done. but if he's lucky enough he'll tear his Achilles being mediocre, send Cleveland into limbo for 5-10 years, and make 50 mill doing it.

Avenged
10-30-2014, 11:03 PM
Kobeeee

KobeOwnSU
10-30-2014, 11:03 PM
He is on the decline. Cleveland will rue the day they signed to that two year contract.

Htownballa1622
10-30-2014, 11:03 PM
LMAO.

On cue.

bucketss
10-30-2014, 11:04 PM
you're

you're

jerellh528
10-30-2014, 11:04 PM
yeah, he's done. but if he's lucky enough he'll tear his Achilles being mediocre, send Cleveland into limbo for 5-10 years, and make 50 mill doing it.

Maybe he'll get them 5 titles and 7 finals appearances first?? ... Nahhhh

SF8
10-30-2014, 11:05 PM
Lol Laker fans want LeBron to start his decline so badly lmao....his decline won't be as bad Kobe's decline, you heard it here first.

But to the OP, no he's not declining, its called one game.

ILLUSIONIST^248
10-30-2014, 11:07 PM
I had a feeling when lebron hit the 30 year old mark he would start declining. He'll start to have trouble with his drop off in athleticism.

jerellh528
10-30-2014, 11:07 PM
Lol Laker fans want LeBron to start his decline so badly lmao....his decline won't be as bad Kobe's decline, you heard it here first.

But to the OP, no he's not declining, its called one game.

Hiiiighly doubtful. Kobe is one of, if not the player with the best longevity of all time.

KobeOwnSU
10-30-2014, 11:08 PM
I had a feeling when lebron hit the 30 year old mark he would start declining. He'll start to have trouble with his drop off in athleticism.

Yeah his crab dribble is more like a fat birch waddle now.

ILLUSIONIST^248
10-30-2014, 11:08 PM
Lol Laker fans want LeBron to start his decline so badly lmao....his decline won't be as bad Kobe's decline, you heard it here first.

But to the OP, no he's not declining, its called one game.

Kobes decline? He's had one of the best careers in basketball history from age 30-37

cmellofan15
10-30-2014, 11:09 PM
Maybe he'll get them 5 titles and 7 finals appearances first?? ... Nahhhh

who did that? Tim Duncan? well, he's the only person I can think of who did it as the best player on their team recently...

SportsFanatic10
10-30-2014, 11:15 PM
i think this is the year that dellusionist's elite trolling drops off a cliff and he declines so another kobe fan can step up as the new biggest troll in the nba forum. i mean lets face it, he ran out of material a long time ago and has just been spewing the same bs over and over again, his prime has passed him by...

Dade County
10-30-2014, 11:15 PM
Starts his decline?

He doesn't look the same. In 43 minutes he had 17 points, 5rebounds, and 4 assist on 33 percent shooting. He looked awful and his athleticism looks to have taken a hit. What do you guys think?

No.

ILLUSIONIST^248
10-30-2014, 11:20 PM
I'm surprised to see mad heat fans. Lebron left you high and dry but you'll still defend him to the death? Let's face it, Lebron got exposed in the finals , has had a terrible pre season and started the season terribly. There's nothing but decline in lebrons future from here on out.

jerellh528
10-30-2014, 11:24 PM
I don't see why it's so hard for you guys to admit he's declinging? It happens to every player. Heck, he will still be a top 5-10 player this year probably. I don't see a problem, Lebron has given us as fans some great years

cmellofan15
10-30-2014, 11:26 PM
I don't see why it's so hard for you guys to admit he's declinging? It happens to every player. Heck, he will still be a top 5-10 player this year probably. I don't see a problem, Lebron has given us as fans some great years

declining

Vinny642
10-30-2014, 11:27 PM
SMH the NBA forum at its finest.

ILLUSIONIST^248
10-30-2014, 11:34 PM
I don't see why it's so hard for you guys to admit he's declinging? It happens to every player. Heck, he will still be a top 5-10 player this year probably. I don't see a problem, Lebron has given us as fans some great years


Exactly, he was definitely the second best player in the world last year and still has a chance to be a top 5 this year. That's nothing to be ashamed about.

Hawkeye15
10-30-2014, 11:48 PM
nope. This is the year where he sets all records for points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, babies fathered, political issues solved, builds a house on the moon, and does your mom.

jerellh528
10-30-2014, 11:51 PM
nope. This is the year where he sets all records for points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, babies fathered, political issues solved, builds a house on the moon, and does your mom.

That's literally what the leboners would have us believe

cmellofan15
10-30-2014, 11:52 PM
That's literally what the leboners would have us believe

yeah, but you're admittedly a troll so I don't think I can believe you.

sheesh
10-30-2014, 11:52 PM
nope. This is the year where he sets all records for points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, babies fathered, political issues solved, builds a house on the moon, and does your mom.

Are you a mod? I've noticed that Kobe is by far the most popular player on this board. The stans seem to start pro Kobe threads and bash LeBron a ton.

Is that normal? Or just because LeBron had a horrible first game in Cleveland?

Sadds The Gr8
10-31-2014, 12:03 AM
SMH the NBA forum at its finest.
This

L8kers4life
10-31-2014, 12:17 AM
This whole thread is hilarious. ..

Hawkeye15
10-31-2014, 12:44 AM
Are you a mod? I've noticed that Kobe is by far the most popular player on this board. The stans seem to start pro Kobe threads and bash LeBron a ton.

Is that normal? Or just because LeBron had a horrible first game in Cleveland?

I am a mod. But I have literally lost faith in the NBA forum, it's pathetic to even browse.

TylerSL
10-31-2014, 01:04 AM
lol he is 29 years old. Barring significant injury we at least 4 years away from any decline.

bluefire7002
10-31-2014, 01:21 AM
He did lose a lot of weight, including muscle... Im sure he just has to adjust to it now in real NBA games.

naps
10-31-2014, 02:26 AM
LOL kobephiles are so desperate. LeBron is not declining. You will know LeBron is declining when his stats look like Kobe's best years. That's far far away from now.

Replace Kobe with Vince or T-Mac or AI and Lakers win more than 5 with Shaq's 8 years there alone. So stop hating on LeBron because he lives on a different planet where his only neighbors are Jordan, Kareem, and Wilt.

ThuglifeJ
10-31-2014, 02:41 AM
lol he is 29 years old. Barring significant injury we at least 4 years away from any decline.

For guards/forwards:


32 is the golden age of decline.

29 is when you usually start to see a slight change/drop in athleticism, but not enough to change their game yet.

That's where lebron is in my eyes...I never see him explode like he used to anymore. Not that that's all important.

Chrisclover
10-31-2014, 03:10 AM
Kobes decline? He's had one of the best careers in basketball history from age 30-37
You know what the definition of decline is?
Kobe's efficiency is dropping, as the stats show. He is declining, no doubt.

Master Mind
10-31-2014, 03:32 AM
Lebron is certainly slowing down, it's quite evident. 4 straight trips to the Finals, sprinkled with Olympic games is taxing man, no one is left unaffected by this much work put in. His athleticism isn't what it used to be but he's still athletic, just not with the same fervor we're accustomed to. I think his numbers take a hit not only because he's slowing down but the Love/Irving/Waiters effect. So if that means he's declining then yes. It's tough to see before your very eyes as time catches up to great players but it happens to everyone.

ATX
10-31-2014, 06:00 AM
Jesus Christ Illusionist, when will you ever grow up and stop being an internet troll?? It's quite sad.

DemarDerozan
10-31-2014, 01:06 PM
He's done.
He's declining.

Lol at the Lebronphiles who do not see the irony in their criticism.
Won't be long before you move onto AD or Jabari... Whoever the next big player is going to be.

DemarDerozan
10-31-2014, 01:09 PM
lol he is 29 years old. Barring significant injury we at least 4 years away from any decline.

Must be all the carbs he cut out (is that what we call quitting steroids now)...

Just like Ryan Braun.

goingfor28
10-31-2014, 01:20 PM
nope. This is the year where he sets all records for points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, babies fathered, political issues solved, builds a house on the moon, and does your mom.

Antonio Cromartie has that title locked up

JasonJohnHorn
10-31-2014, 01:23 PM
Yeah.... the first game of the season always determines the course of the rest of your career.... that's why Michael Carter-Williams was able to average a triple-double last year to go along with his 7 steals per game.

PhillyFaninLA
10-31-2014, 01:25 PM
Well this late in the season we know how things will play out....this isn't reactionary or a Kobe fan trolling at all. We have enough of a body of work this season to properly judge, I mean its mid April and we know the playoff seeds.

PhillyFaninLA
10-31-2014, 01:28 PM
Jesus Christ Illusionist, when will you ever grow up and stop being an internet troll?? It's quite sad.

That is why he's on my ignore list. I saw the TC and knew what this topic was.

archdevil84
10-31-2014, 02:12 PM
Yeah.... the first game of the season always determines the course of the rest of your career.... that's why Michael Carter-Williams was able to average a triple-double last year to go along with his 7 steals per game.

according to illusionists logic, micheal carter williams is the GOAT without any doubts. Who else averages that statline while not even in his prime

Baller1
10-31-2014, 02:15 PM
Lol, Kobe fans.

Byronicle
10-31-2014, 02:21 PM
Kobe is definitely on the decline.

He is really hurting that team and should be traded.

But then again if the Lakers want to tank then they should keep Kobe Bryant.

Hawkeye15
10-31-2014, 02:22 PM
Antonio Cromartie has that title locked up

touche, that's my b

Miltstar
10-31-2014, 02:22 PM
They made waaay to big of a deal out of their home opener, they would have been better off to just shut up and play, these guys are gonna take some time to gel as a team, too many new faces... they'll be right where they're supposed to be by the end of the season as the 1 or 2 seed in the east but teams take a little time to work things out. One of the reasons Jordan was sooo great is that he endured little change year in and year out, he wasn't hoppin beds like Lebron, LBJ hasn't quite caught on to that notion yet.

ILLUSIONIST^248
10-31-2014, 02:31 PM
I don't understand why it's hard to believe a 30 year old player with that many miles will start his decline. He's had a fantastic career up to this point and should be able to squeeze into the top ten by the end of his playing days. That is something to be proud of. Decline happens to all players so you have to accept it at some point.

Baller1
10-31-2014, 02:39 PM
I don't understand why it's hard to believe a 30 year old player with that many miles will start his decline. He's had a fantastic career up to this point and should be able to squeeze into the top ten by the end of his playing days. That is something to be proud of. Decline happens to all players so you have to accept it at some point.

It's one game, he's not declining, he's already top 10, and he's better all-time than Kobe Bryant.

ILLUSIONIST^248
10-31-2014, 02:47 PM
I don't understand why it's hard to believe a 30 year old player with that many miles will start his decline. He's had a fantastic career up to this point and should be able to squeeze into the top ten by the end of his playing days. That is something to be proud of. Decline happens to all players so you have to accept it at some point.

It's one game, he's not declining, he's already top 10, and he's better all-time than Kobe Bryant.

He lead his team to the worst beating in finals history last year, stunk it up this preseason and rolled that play over to start the season. He's definitely starting his decline. Only a Lebron fan boy would say something like that. Kobe's closer to top 5 than outside the top 10.

sjbirds
10-31-2014, 02:50 PM
Lol Laker fans want LeBron to start his decline so badly lmao....his decline won't be as bad Kobe's decline, you heard it here first.

But to the OP, no he's not declining, its called one game.

Kobes decline? He's had one of the best careers in basketball history from age 30-37
Ummm from age 30-37?? He's 36 now and hasn't played since he was 34. But ok

NoahH
10-31-2014, 04:31 PM
Come talk to me 41 games through the season and if hes still averaging 17-5-5 on 33% shooting then we can talk

IBleedPurple
10-31-2014, 05:31 PM
This forum sucks, yet I still keep coming back despite nonsense like this...

Hawkeye15
10-31-2014, 05:33 PM
This forum sucks, yet I still keep coming back despite nonsense like this...

go to the movie section and read my amazing take on Kevin Costner movies.

IBleedPurple
10-31-2014, 05:49 PM
go to the movie section and read my amazing take on Kevin Costner movies. Ahh, much better. I needed some logical insight into, well, anything...lol.

WaDe03
10-31-2014, 05:56 PM
He's done! He will never score over 20 points in a game again. Remember this post.

GiantsSwaGG
10-31-2014, 06:05 PM
His hairline declining, so is his game

cmellofan15
10-31-2014, 10:54 PM
Lebron still declining or...?

FlashBolt
10-31-2014, 11:03 PM
http://speedcap.net/sharing/files/a4/94/a494f429047c999f60114744059f0b55.png

And you'll find many more examples throughout his career. LeBron starts the year(s) slow all the time.

ILLUSIONIST^248
10-31-2014, 11:18 PM
Lebron still declining or...? I still say yes. Under 50 percent from the field and 30 shots for 36 points.

FlashBolt
10-31-2014, 11:21 PM
I still say yes. Under 50 percent from the field and 30 shots for 36 points.

So... LeBron declining=One of Kobe's best games? Okay.

cmellofan15
10-31-2014, 11:31 PM
So... LeBron declining=One of Kobe's best games? Okay.

well it would be quite the decline if LeBron turned from what he was into the most glorified chucker in the NBA...

and he just beat the team you picked to represent the East, Illusionist.

FlashBolt
10-31-2014, 11:33 PM
well it would be quite the decline if LeBron turned from what he was into the most glorified chucker in the NBA...

and he just beat the team you picked to represent the East, Illusionist.

Lol. It's funny because that was a bad game from LeBron by his standard yet, it's a great game for every other player.. Amazing.

t_money25
10-31-2014, 11:36 PM
Wow. Kobe almost averages more shots than points and Lebron is declining after one game? Threads like this are gonna get the NBA forum closed permanently SMH

Hawkeye15
11-01-2014, 12:11 AM
I still say yes. Under 50 percent from the field and 30 shots for 36 points.

haha, that literally sounds like a peak Kobe game

Chronz
11-01-2014, 01:47 AM
Hes been declining athletically for awhile now, surprised you havent noticed.

UPRock
11-01-2014, 02:16 AM
haha, that literally sounds like a peak Kobe game

Ohh KILL EM! Lmao

IKnowHoops
11-01-2014, 02:24 AM
After about the age of 26-27 all players start to decline athletically. I'd say 26 is the athletic Peak. But as players still work on there game, the increase in skill is higher than the decrease in athletic ability. So players can still be better players at 30 than they were at 26. There are many examples of this.

Hakeems best years were a four year span from 30-33. Jordan was awesome after 30. The key for both of them was that they were so athletic from the beginning that by the time the reached 30 there decline in athletic ability still had them at a level above most of the league. This meant that they had a larger window to increase there skill set and still be able to take advantage of it by coupling it with supreme athletic ability.

Lebron though declined in athletic ability is still arguably the best combination of size, speed and power in the NBA. He now has a much better jumper, better post game, and is smarter than ever. Then the subtle things are all at a higher level for him as well.

I'm not saying he's anymore dominant than he was 4 years ago, but he can sustain his dominance without a discernible drop off for longer than most just because even with his decline, he will be the freakiest athlete in the league for a while just because he was so freaky to begin with. The key is that he must always increase his skill level to negate the negative impact that less athletic ability will have on his overall production and dominance.

ILLUSIONIST^248
11-01-2014, 03:31 AM
It's sucks that Lebron will only land up with 2 rings to end his career. If he does finish in the top ten he'll have the least out of everyone :(

Leftcoast_yg
11-01-2014, 06:15 AM
No Lebron is never going to decline and Kobe is the worst nba player and person on the planet.

zn23
11-01-2014, 09:17 AM
So much for that.

IKnowHoops
11-01-2014, 12:15 PM
It's sucks that Lebron will only land up with 2 rings to end his career. If he does finish in the top ten he'll have the least out of everyone :(

He'd be right there with Dream and Wilt, both who are better than Kobe with 5.

mightybosstone
11-01-2014, 12:32 PM
I wish people would just let them play the damn games before starting threads like this after a single game. I thought he was pretty "meh" in both of his first two games, actually, but he's playing at a totally different weight on a totally different roster with a totally different system. Let's let the man get adjusted before we try to make any assumptions about whether he's declining or not. If he's still playing like this in February, we can have this conversation.

Goose17
11-01-2014, 12:45 PM
I wish people would just let them play the damn games before starting threads like this after a single game. I thought he was pretty "meh" in both of his first two games, actually, but he's playing at a totally different weight on a totally different roster with a totally different system. Let's let the man get adjusted before we try to make any assumptions about whether he's declining or not. If he's still playing like this in February, we can have this conversation.

This^

thejordanrules
11-01-2014, 06:36 PM
Starts his decline?

He doesn't look the same. In 43 minutes he had 17 points, 5rebounds, and 4 assist on 33 percent shooting. He looked awful and his athleticism looks to have taken a hit. What do you guys think?

he scored 36 points against the bulls.even Jordan had quiet games.when the cavs win the whole thing,you ask that same question,stupid troll!:speechless:

thejordanrules
11-01-2014, 07:19 PM
no lebron is never going to decline and kobe is the worst nba player and person on the planet.

cavs will sweep the spurs in the nba finals

ILLUSIONIST^248
11-05-2014, 12:43 PM
As Lebron gets older he's going to have to develop new ways of scoring. Mack trucking to the rim won't be very effective for him after 30. Last nights game was probably his lowest scoring game since his rookie season.

Jeffy25
11-05-2014, 02:42 PM
As Lebron gets older he's going to have to develop new ways of scoring. Mack trucking to the rim won't be very effective for him after 30. Last nights game was probably his lowest scoring game since his rookie season.

Since 2008

He's had a few 12 and 13 point games since, but 11 is his lowest since 12-5-2008

Jeffy25
11-05-2014, 02:53 PM
I still say yes. Under 50 percent from the field and 30 shots for 36 points.

You call this declining?

Since 1996, there have been 263 games for a player that did this (36 points or more, less than 50% shooting from field, and at least 30 field goal shots taken)

Of those 263 games

Jordan - 6
Kobe - 55
Iverson - 54
Lebron - 13
McGrady - 25


He had a game score of 26.7, that's a good game at least statistically.

YesMcCann
11-05-2014, 03:22 PM
I'd be surprised if he aged well. Doesn't seem to have the touch required to feast on the mid range game, especially with a diminished capacity to drive to the rim. Who knows, though? He is certainly a hard worker.

YesMcCann
11-05-2014, 03:33 PM
Also, I'd just like to voice my opinion about how weird it is that we have fans of individual players now more than fans of teams. They pop up in every LeBron/Kobe thread. But then again, it seems as if you are fans of a point-of-view (how we evaluate players) more than of the players themselves, which strikes me even odder. Why can't anyone seem to be objective on this topic? Why the strong need to push and/or defend an ideology? Why not just talk basketball??

bucketss
11-05-2014, 03:38 PM
It's sucks that Lebron will only land up with 2 rings to end his career. If he does finish in the top ten he'll have the least out of everyone :(

tied with hakeem and wilt.

chi-townlove1
11-05-2014, 03:44 PM
Also, I'd just like to voice my opinion about how weird it is that we have fans of individual players now more than fans of teams. They pop up in every LeBron/Kobe thread. But then again, it seems as if you are fans of a point-of-view (how we evaluate players) more than of the players themselves, which strikes me even odder. Why can't anyone seem to be objective on this topic? Why the strong need to push and/or defend an ideology? Why not just talk basketball??


Preach.

ILLUSIONIST^248
11-05-2014, 03:50 PM
I still say yes. Under 50 percent from the field and 30 shots for 36 points.

You call this declining?

Since 1996, there have been 263 games for a player that did this (36 points or more, less than 50% shooting from field, and at least 30 field goal shots taken)

Of those 263 games

Jordan - 6
Kobe - 55
Iverson - 54
Lebron - 13
McGrady - 25


He had a game score of 26.7, that's a good game at least statistically.

Lmao did you really research this for 4 days just to post this. It's was a more of a joke than anything, but Lebron is definitely on the decline.

ILLUSIONIST^248
11-05-2014, 03:53 PM
I'd be surprised if he aged well. Doesn't seem to have the touch required to feast on the mid range game, especially with a diminished capacity to drive to the rim. Who knows, though? He is certainly a hard worker.once defenders know that Lebron can't drive past them anymore he's going to have a bad time. By the time he's 32 he'll be an average player

ILLUSIONIST^248
11-05-2014, 03:54 PM
It's sucks that Lebron will only land up with 2 rings to end his career. If he does finish in the top ten he'll have the least out of everyone :(

tied with hakeem and wilt.

That's fine, Kobe ranks higher than both.

YesMcCann
11-05-2014, 03:56 PM
That's fine, Kobe ranks higher than both.

Why bring Kobe Bryant into this?

It's just weird. Leave it be.

YesMcCann
11-05-2014, 04:36 PM
For real, this forum is almost un-visitable because the children are in charge, incessantly lobbing "Kobe vs LeBron" bombs that take the discussion nowhere. The grown ups need to start speaking up.

RaiderLakersA's
11-05-2014, 04:40 PM
LeBron will be LeBron. He's just letting the game come to him and giving the team an opportunity to develop and form a cohesive unit. It's way too early to talk about a decline.

Rain City
11-05-2014, 05:09 PM
i really think kyrie trade talks are going to heat up.

since lebron came back i haven't seen an excited kyrie. i don't think he's at the stage of his career where he wants to defer to not only 1 but 2 guys who are legit #1 options. wade was a good 5 years older with a Finals MVP to his name and it took him an entire year to get comfortable taking a back seat.

the first time lebron was a FA d rose didn't want lebron to come to CHI. he wanted to beat him. and people have looked at kyrie and I'm sure he's seen himself as a top PG in the league caliber player. potential MVP with the right role.

i think as we get even further into the season and kyrie has avg PG stats and the pressure that comes with being a reason a team is underachieving, he's going to get more unhappy. plenty of teams will be interested.

id like to see rondo on CLE, that is if rondo would even want to team up with such a hated rival.
i think D Will would be a much better all around fit than Kyrie. I'm sure he'd love to go to CLE as well.

archdevil84
11-05-2014, 05:09 PM
god damn it illusionist why are you SO mad at lebroN? whats your problem dude?

Jamiecballer
11-05-2014, 05:14 PM
Also, I'd just like to voice my opinion about how weird it is that we have fans of individual players now more than fans of teams. They pop up in every LeBron/Kobe thread. But then again, it seems as if you are fans of a point-of-view (how we evaluate players) more than of the players themselves, which strikes me even odder. Why can't anyone seem to be objective on this topic? Why the strong need to push and/or defend an ideology? Why not just talk basketball??

well you were right... it has less to do with the actual players and more to do with what people see as being more valuable... so why is that strange to you? isn't a big part of evaluating players deciding what value their skills and output have towards the goal of winning?

Kashmir13579
11-05-2014, 05:15 PM
Your good at it though. I'll give you that He isn't even.

curtcocaine
11-05-2014, 05:39 PM
Starts his decline?

He doesn't look the same. In 43 minutes he had 17 points, 5rebounds, and 4 assist on 33 percent shooting. He looked awful and his athleticism looks to have taken a hit. What do you guys think?
Why is this guy not banned? Honestly? Wtf is going on? The NBA forum is a joke! Mods are calling it a joke (Hawkeye). In a week im going to put up a toll for who wants this guy banned. As a big Kobe supporter its sad that you guys associate all Kobe and Laker fans with the three trolls who consistently troll this fourm.

hahah kobe fans are so sensitive. it's getting quite sad actually.
Kobe fans are sensitive? Are all black people ghetto? To associate an entire group due to a few people's comment's shows your ignorance bro.

I'm surprised to see mad heat fans. Lebron left you high and dry but you'll still defend him to the death? Let's face it, Lebron got exposed in the finals , has had a terrible pre season and started the season terribly. There's nothing but decline in lebrons future from here on out.
Why are you so mad. Lebron will get his. New system he'll bounce back wich is alot more than I can say for K8be. Im just being honest.

Lol, Kobe fans.
Enlighten me.

Come talk to me 41 games through the season and if hes still averaging 17-5-5 on 33% shooting then we can talk
Pretty much this.

amos1er
11-05-2014, 06:06 PM
Why is this guy not banned? Honestly? Wtf is going on? The NBA forum is a joke! Mods are calling it a joke (Hawkeye). In a week im going to put up a toll for who wants this guy banned. As a big Kobe supporter its sad that you guys associate all Kobe and Laker fans with the three trolls who consistently troll this fourm.

Kobe fans are sensitive? Are all black people ghetto? To associate an entire group due to a few people's comment's shows your ignorance bro.

Why are you so mad. Lebron will get his. New system he'll bounce back wich is alot more than I can say for K8be. Im just being honest.

Enlighten me.

Pretty much this.

Calm down bro... It's only a discussion. If you don't wish to take part, then simply don't reply... Freedom of speech and all.

amos1er
11-05-2014, 06:12 PM
That's fine, Kobe ranks higher than both.

It's all good, clearly this forum is very "Anti-Kobe". The general consensus is that Kobe is pretty damn close to being top five currently if not there already... Though I have him at number six. Just take what these guys say with a grain of salt and know that they truly are in the vast minority. Just Google top NBA rankings All-Time and you will see this to be true. I can't post any of the sites (all with far greater sample size than any of the polls on here) because of the TOS of this site. Most have Kobe in the 6-8 range and Lebron in the 12-15 range. That sounds pretty fair to me. Having Lebron in the top ten at this point in time is pretty delusional. Having him in the top five currently... Your not even living in the same reality as the rest of us.

bucketss
11-05-2014, 06:14 PM
It's all good, clearly this forum is very "Anti-Kobe". The general consensus is that Kobe is pretty damn close to being top five currently if not there already... Though I have him at number six. Just take what these guys say with a grain of salt and know that they truly are in the vast minority. Just Google top NBA rankings All-Time and you will see this to be true. I can't post any of the sites (all with far greater sample size than any of the polls on here) because of the TOS of this site. Most have Kobe in the 6-8 range and Lebron in the 12-15 range. That sounds pretty fair to me. Having Lebron in the top ten at this point in time is pretty delusional. Having him in the top five currently... Your not even living in the same reality as the rest of us.

by general consensus, you mean casual fans who have been mesmerized by kobes fancy fadeaways. right?

L8kers4life
11-05-2014, 06:16 PM
For real, this forum is almost un-visitable because the children are in charge, incessantly lobbing "Kobe vs LeBron" bombs that take the discussion nowhere. The grown ups need to start speaking up.

Agreed, you can not have a rational argument with any Lebron or Kobe fan without it turning into a circus.

amos1er
11-05-2014, 06:22 PM
by general consensus, you mean casual fans who have been mesmerized by kobes fancy fadeaways. right?

Exactly.

Sactown
11-05-2014, 07:49 PM
Why is this guy not banned? Honestly? Wtf is going on? The NBA forum is a joke! Mods are calling it a joke (Hawkeye). In a week im going to put up a toll for who wants this guy banned. As a big Kobe supporter its sad that you guys associate all Kobe and Laker fans with the three trolls who consistently troll this fourm.

Kobe fans are sensitive? Are all black people ghetto? To associate an entire group due to a few people's comment's shows your ignorance bro.

Why are you so mad. Lebron will get his. New system he'll bounce back wich is alot more than I can say for K8be. Im just being honest.

Enlighten me.

Pretty much this.
I actually feel really bad for you, it's unfortunate that because of a few posters in here, you will constantly be linked to their ignorance because of your connection with the same franchise

8kobe24
11-05-2014, 07:56 PM
Why is this guy not banned? Honestly? Wtf is going on? The NBA forum is a joke! Mods are calling it a joke (Hawkeye). In a week im going to put up a toll for who wants this guy banned. As a big Kobe supporter its sad that you guys associate all Kobe and Laker fans with the three trolls who consistently troll this fourm.

Kobe fans are sensitive? Are all black people ghetto? To associate an entire group due to a few people's comment's shows your ignorance bro.

Why are you so mad. Lebron will get his. New system he'll bounce back wich is alot more than I can say for K8be. Im just being honest.

Enlighten me.

Pretty much this.

He mad

curtcocaine
11-05-2014, 07:59 PM
I actually feel really bad for you, it's unfortunate that because of a few posters in here, you will constantly be linked to their ignorance because of your connection with the same franchise
Im a warrior fan actually. But I like seeing great players root for them when its not a head to head match up with my team.

curtcocaine
11-05-2014, 08:01 PM
He mad
Not mad just saddened. You guys show have changed since yall started loosing. I actually want him to be traded. Have fun with your tank season.

SportsFanatic10
11-05-2014, 08:05 PM
That's fine, Kobe ranks higher than both.

lol that's all that matters to you. it's why you bash lebron so much because you're scared that he'll pass kobe. but you can't stop it from happening so you should just stop making yourself look so desperate and delusional.

ATX
11-05-2014, 08:10 PM
He mad

He's absolutely right though. How Illusionist and Amos1er are allowed to continually ruin this forum with their constant trolling is beyond me. The NBA forum is a dumpster fire continually fueled by those two. There is seemingly nothing to talk about here besides James and their Messiah Bryant, and it's all because of those two constantly bringing it up. All I really care about is the HEAT but I like to catch up on other topics besides their incessant whining about James.

ILLUSIONIST^248
11-05-2014, 08:34 PM
god damn it illusionist why are you SO mad at lebroN? whats your problem dude?

Stop overrating the guy and putting him 2nd all time and I'll stop telling you guys how wrong you are.

L8kers4life
11-05-2014, 08:36 PM
He's absolutely right though. How Illusionist and Amos1er are allowed to continually ruin this forum with their constant trolling is beyond me. The NBA forum is a dumpster fire continually fueled by those two. There is seemingly nothing to talk about here besides James and their Messiah Bryant, and it's all because of those two constantly bringing it up. All I really care about is the HEAT but I like to catch up on other topics besides their incessant whining about James.



Its funny how you dont mention the same thing for known Kobe Haters such as IKNOWHOOPS, Jamcieballer and Bucketsss. It's the same for Kobe, a bunch of trolls that know everything, god forbid you disagree with one of them.

Munkeysuit
11-05-2014, 08:59 PM
No decline, I think Lebron is playing like this purposely to send a message to the rest of his team that if the greatest player in the world can be unselfish and sacrifice so much, so can everyone else...the response he got in the game against Portland was pretty bad, Kyrie and Dion immediately saw it as "what can I do to get this win" instead of "what can WE do to get this win" and this is something MOST fans that actually played basketball at a winning level would notice.

Jamiecballer
11-05-2014, 09:29 PM
Its funny how you dont mention the same thing for known Kobe Haters such as IKNOWHOOPS, Jamcieballer and Bucketsss. It's the same for Kobe, a bunch of trolls that know everything, god forbid you disagree with one of them.

that's not true. i will never ever try and take away Kobe's part in the Lakers success. He was one of the most important players they had every time they won.

L8kers4life
11-05-2014, 09:39 PM
that's not true. i will never ever try and take away Kobe's part in the Lakers success. He was one of the most important players they had every time they won.

Not sure why I lumped you in with that group, Bucketsss as well, you both seem to be a bit more objective. I think what is frustrating for Lakers fans right now is you can not defend Kobe at all or your a Kobephile, same with Lebron, if you defend him your a LeBron nut hugger,lol. The reality is, they are both great and they both are still playing, let the game speak for itself.

In terms of my stance now on Kobe

ILLUSIONIST^248
11-06-2014, 12:18 AM
Things are definitely not looking good for Lebron.

P&GRealist
11-06-2014, 04:08 AM
Things are definitely not looking good for Lebron.

Things are definitely not looking good for Kobe either.

Chronz
11-06-2014, 04:29 AM
All the blatant baiting aside, Bron's defense has continued to spiral downward. Thats where hes lost the most IMO, hes simply not a game changer on that end anymore because hes no longer capable of running himself ragged. He needs to be down to 35 MPG, Blatt is doing an awful job thus far. Brons athletic ability has been in decline for awhile now, he has been able to compensate with an increase in skill but I wont judge his offense until we see a larger sample. Bron is approaching this team far differently than he did in Miami or even in his first stint with them.

ILLUSIONIST^248
11-06-2014, 09:02 AM
All the blatant baiting aside, Bron's defense has continued to spiral downward. Thats where hes lost the most IMO, hes simply not a game changer on that end anymore because hes no longer capable of running himself ragged. He needs to be down to 35 MPG, Blatt is doing an awful job thus far. Brons athletic ability has been in decline for awhile now, he has been able to compensate with an increase in skill but I wont judge his offense until we see a larger sample. Bron is approaching this team far differently than he did in Miami or even in his first stint with them.

Fantastic post FC. You see it's not very hard for us to agree when you post good stuff like this.

ILLUSIONIST^248
11-06-2014, 09:03 AM
Things are definitely not looking good for Lebron.

Things are definitely not looking good for Kobe either.true, Kobe has done enough for me to be satisfied tho.