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Mile High Champ
08-27-2014, 03:58 PM
Hey guys, It is that time of year again! Once again we kick of the PSD NBA Off-Season Player Rankings. This is the 7th year I have done this on PSD and it typically always makes for good deabte and often initates terrific discussion. Consider that when these polls first began, the likes of Baron Davis and Devin Harris were cracking these polls. Which player will you rank high this year that may get some raised eyebrows as the years pass by? Only time will tell. Please keep things civil and discuss who you feel is most fitting and deserving of being voted in each poll.

A lot has changed since last season. Tim Duncan and the San Antonio Spurs are NBA champions for the 5th time after getting some revenge for their finals loss last season to the Heat. We could be looking at the end of the big 3 era.

Let start the discussion since lots has changed since the start of last season. Please TRY AND VOTE FOR THE BEST PLAYER AND DON'T BE A HOMER. I will leave the poll open for one day and than we can carry on to the next best player at that position. I will add more players after each round. I have also included the results of those last 6 years so everyone can see how much things have changed...Enjoy.

For a player to be eligible for this years poll, they must of played in a minimum of 10 games.

REMEMBER this is based on who is the best player, not the player who has the potential to be the best. Though we do recognize that some voters will vote based soley on potential and others by last years numbers.

2014 Off-Season PSD SF Rankings
1) Lebron James
2) Kevin Durant
3)


2013 Off-Season PSD SF Rankings

1) Lebron James
2) Kevin Durant
3) Carmelo Anthony
4) Andre Iguodala
5) Paul Pierce
6) Kawhi Leonard
7) Luol Deng
8) Danilo Gallinari
9) Rudy Gay
10) Chandler Parsons

2012 Off-Season PSD SF Rankings

1) Lebron James
2) Kevin Durant
3) Carmelo Anthony
4) Paul Pierce
5) Andre Iguodala
6) Rudy Gay
7) Luol Deng
8) Danny Granger
9) Danilo Gallinari
10) Nicolas Batum

2011 Off-Season Rankings

1) Lebron James
2) Kevin Durant
3) Carmelo Anthony
4) Paul Pierce
5) Andre Iguodala
6) Danny Granger
7) Luol Deng
8) Rudy Gay
9) Gerald Wallace
10) Danilo Gallinari

2010 Off Season SF Rankings

1) Lebron James
2) Kevin Durant
3) Carmelo Anthony
4) Paul Pierce
5) Danny Granger
6) Gerald Wallace
7) Andre Iguodala
8) Rudy Gay
9) Luol Deng
10) Ron Artest

2009 Off Season SF Rankings

1) Lebron James
2) Carmelo Anthony
3) Kevin Durant
4) Paul Pierce
5) Danny Granger
6) Andre Iguodala
7) Caron Butler
8) Hedo Turkoglu
9) Ron Artest
10) Stephen Jackson

2008 Off-Season SF rankings

1) Lebron James
2) Paul Pierce
3) Carmelo Anthony
4) Caron Butler
5) Ron Artest
6) Shawn Marion
7) Josh Smith
8) Richard Jefferson
9) Lamar Odom
10) Tayshaun Prince

Dade County
08-27-2014, 04:20 PM
Melo

jaydubb
08-27-2014, 04:47 PM
Carmelo Anthony

GREATNESS ONE
08-27-2014, 05:20 PM
Melo.

KnicksorBust
08-27-2014, 06:58 PM
Melo

LTBaByyy
08-27-2014, 07:10 PM
3 Paul George
4 Melo
5 Leonard
6 Parsons
7 Deng
8 Iggy
9 Ariza
10 Gay

Just missed the cut

11 Batum
12 Smith

KnicksorBust
08-27-2014, 07:18 PM
3 Paul George
4 Melo
5 Leonard
6 Parsons
7 Deng
8 Iggy
9 Ariza
10 Gay

Just missed the cut

11 Batum
12 Smith

Its not a terrible list.

JEDean89
08-27-2014, 07:23 PM
I'd put Gay at 6th after George and Leonard, he had a great year after being traded.

mrblisterdundee
08-27-2014, 07:46 PM
Carmelo Anthony picked it up defensively and was the second-best offensive small forward last season, slightly better at scoring that LeBron James but not quite as amazing as Kevin Durant. That puts him ahead of Paul George for me.

xxplayerxx23
08-27-2014, 08:11 PM
Melo.

jimm120
08-27-2014, 08:18 PM
Melo vs George:

Scoring --> 27.4 to 21.7
Melo leads by almost 6 points

Rebounding --> 8.1 to 6.7
Melo leads by 1.4 rebounds

Assists --> 3.1 to 3.5
George leads, but as sf, they're right up there and close.

Steals --> 1.2 to 1.9
George leads by gettingalmost two steals while melo gets 1 with 2 stls every 6 games or so.

Blocks --> 0.7 to 0.3
Melo gets 2 blocks for sure every 3 games. George might get 1 block every 3 games, sometimes needing 4 games.

Fg% --> 45% to 42%
45% up to 50% is what's usually accepted. 42% is jr smith category.

I just don't see how someone (Paul) could play as badly and underachieve as he did and is considered better lol.

When melo struggled in 2011-12, he dropped as he should have. With George, it's like they want to continue to increase his stock even though he did badly this past year.

jimm120
08-27-2014, 08:29 PM
Ariza played well this year and deserves to go somewhere in the top 10.

George, even though he didn't play like the star player people wanted him to be, still did well. Should go 4th or 5th, imo. His play really regressed after the first 2 months.

Parsons got better and better. and even though he isn't worth the 15 million a year contract, it was restricted FA and you either overpay or you don't get to steal the player away.

Leanord should also increase. He's made great strides. Wish Shump would have followed just like him (they were compared a lot during the draft, with Leanord being the better coveted).

People that should expect drops are...

Deng: horrible year. He just didn't want to be in Cleveland or Cleveland was just too messed up.
Pierce: really regressed a lot. With that said, he was still the best offensive player for the Nets (with Brooks out).
Gallo: imo, didn't deserve top 10 in past years. Overrated (and yes, I didn't like him that much on the Knicks either).

nycericanguy
08-28-2014, 12:46 PM
#3 and 4 are obviously Melo & PG... #5 is where it gets interesting.

Minimal
08-28-2014, 02:31 PM
Melo

SportsFanatic10
08-28-2014, 02:55 PM
melo definitely better than george...melo here, the top 3 order has been the same the last 4 years of voting.

Shammyguy3
08-28-2014, 11:17 PM
Melo vs George:

Scoring --> 27.4 to 21.7
Melo leads by almost 6 points

Rebounding --> 8.1 to 6.7
Melo leads by 1.4 rebounds

Assists --> 3.1 to 3.5
George leads, but as sf, they're right up there and close.

Steals --> 1.2 to 1.9
George leads by gettingalmost two steals while melo gets 1 with 2 stls every 6 games or so.

Blocks --> 0.7 to 0.3
Melo gets 2 blocks for sure every 3 games. George might get 1 block every 3 games, sometimes needing 4 games.

Fg% --> 45% to 42%
45% up to 50% is what's usually accepted. 42% is jr smith category.

I just don't see how someone (Paul) could play as badly and underachieve as he did and is considered better lol.

When melo struggled in 2011-12, he dropped as he should have. With George, it's like they want to continue to increase his stock even though he did badly this past year.

Better idea: http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=anthoca01&y1=2014&p2=georgpa01&y2=2014
Melo: 56.1ts% 50.3efg% 32.4usg% 113 ORtg 15.8ast% 9.5tov% 12.3trb% 1.7stl% 1.5blk% 0.172 WS/48 24.4 PER *** 38% minutes played at SF; 62% at PF ***
George: 55.5ts% 49.0efg% 28.3usg% 107 ORtg 17.9ast% 12.5tov% 10.5trb% 2.7stl% 0.6blk% 0.178 WS/48 20.1 PER *** 89% minutes played at SF; 10% at SG ***


To me, Melo is no longer a small forward. And with their numbers being pretty similar across the board offensively (although in favor of Melo), and George's far superior defense + he ACTUALLY plays predominantly as a small forward, this answer should have been Paul George.

But, that's mostly because I believe Melo is not a small forward. If i forget that for a moment, then it's really a tossup to me

FlashBolt
08-29-2014, 01:01 AM
This is Melo and Melo easily. How do we even account for PG's injury? Is it the best player NOW - which rules out PG or is it the best player next season - which also rules out PG?

nycericanguy
08-29-2014, 08:46 AM
Better idea: http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=anthoca01&y1=2014&p2=georgpa01&y2=2014
Melo: 56.1ts% 50.3efg% 32.4usg% 113 ORtg 15.8ast% 9.5tov% 12.3trb% 1.7stl% 1.5blk% 0.172 WS/48 24.4 PER *** 38% minutes played at SF; 62% at PF ***
George: 55.5ts% 49.0efg% 28.3usg% 107 ORtg 17.9ast% 12.5tov% 10.5trb% 2.7stl% 0.6blk% 0.178 WS/48 20.1 PER *** 89% minutes played at SF; 10% at SG ***


To me, Melo is no longer a small forward. And with their numbers being pretty similar across the board offensively (although in favor of Melo), and George's far superior defense + he ACTUALLY plays predominantly as a small forward, this answer should have been Paul George.

But, that's mostly because I believe Melo is not a small forward. If i forget that for a moment, then it's really a tossup to me

Not only does Melo score 6+ ppg more than PG, he does so more efficiently while turning it over a lot less.

It's not close at all.

Melo is still a SF, the game is just changing and teams are going smaller, that doesn't mean he's not a SF, especially now with the weight loss.

Shammyguy3
08-29-2014, 06:09 PM
Not only does Melo score 6+ ppg more than PG, he does so more efficiently while turning it over a lot less.

It's not close at all.

Melo is still a SF, the game is just changing and teams are going smaller, that doesn't mean he's not a SF, especially now with the weight loss.

There's far more to the game than offense though, so yes I believe it's VERY close and a toss up if Melo is considered a SF. Which to me he isn't.

Just because the game is changing and teams go small, it doesn't mean that he hasn't been playing PF the past couple years. Who on that team HAS been playing PF then if Melo hasn't been when he's on the court and the only player bigger than him was Chandler the majority of the time? :eyebrow:

he may move back to SF at some point in his career, like Lebron (who i consider a PF as well now) is about to this year in CLE, doesn't mean he wasn't a predominant PF this past year

SPURSFAN1
08-29-2014, 07:38 PM
Kawhi easy over all these fools.