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nickdymez
08-27-2014, 11:58 AM
Why doesn't the NBA have an offensive player of the year? Has this been discussed?

bucketss
08-27-2014, 12:01 PM
useless award.

2-ONE-5
08-27-2014, 12:43 PM
prob bcuz without being elite on offense youre not winning the MVP so its kinda implied/tied together

bucketss
08-27-2014, 12:55 PM
everyone is gonna talk about how so and so was robbed and how the award is a joke anyways

nickdymez
08-27-2014, 01:03 PM
How though? That's one award where numbers weigh heavy. It's pretty much mostly numbers whereas the dpoy award isnt

bucketss
08-27-2014, 01:06 PM
How though? That's one award where numbers weigh heavy. It's pretty much mostly numbers whereas the dpoy award isnt

if its offensive award i guess you have to weigh in both scoring and assists,plus efficiency

Jetsguy
08-27-2014, 01:26 PM
beecuz MELOOOOOO

Sadds The Gr8
08-27-2014, 01:31 PM
99/100 that guy would be the mvp anyways

Raps18-19 Champ
08-27-2014, 03:09 PM
99/100 that guy would be the mvp anyways

That's too low of a %.

IndyRealist
08-27-2014, 03:16 PM
It's called the MVP.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
08-27-2014, 03:22 PM
99/100 that guy would be the mvp anyways

Kobe says no

KnicksorBust
08-27-2014, 03:25 PM
99/100 that guy would be the mvp anyways

That is a great question. How many times has the best offensive player not won MVP because of his overall game?

dalton749
08-27-2014, 03:36 PM
Scoring title is pretty much the same thing

Pierzynski4Prez
08-27-2014, 04:11 PM
I wouldn't be opposed to it.

bucketss
08-27-2014, 04:25 PM
Kobe says no

offense includes more than just scoring.

Dade County
08-27-2014, 04:28 PM
if its offensive award i guess you have to weigh in both scoring and assists,plus efficiency

Yes...

The nerds aka basketball geeks would love this award.

I think they should implement it... I think this would lead to the Mvp award being an all around award, and just not really focus on scoring and assist.

nickdymez
08-27-2014, 05:09 PM
It's called the MVP.
Ok genius, so the mvp is the best offensive player in the game? Close the thread mods, the smart guy figured it out.

IndyRealist
08-27-2014, 05:50 PM
Ok genius, so the mvp is the best offensive player in the game? Close the thread mods, the smart guy figured it out.

My gawd you're bitter. All voted on awards are inordinately influenced by points per game. Even ESPN has written about it, though it's largely their fault. The DPOY award is even influenced by points scored, and people HERE have said they would not vote for Tony Allen for DPOY because he's so limited in scoring. ROY rankings are practically sorted by points per game. The reason that an OPOY the year award is redundant is not because they are the best players in the league, but because ALL VOTING AWARDS basically boil down to points scored per game and team record. I didn't realize I had to spell it out for you.

nickdymez
08-27-2014, 05:53 PM
My gawd you're bitter. All voted on awards are inordinately influenced by points per game. Even ESPN has written about it, though it's largely their fault. The DPOY award is even influenced by points scored, and people HERE have said they would not vote for Tony Allen for DPOY because he's so limited in scoring. ROY rankings are practically sorted by points per game. The reason that an OPOY the year award is redundant is not because they are the best players in the league, but because ALL VOTING AWARDS basically boil down to points scored per game and team record. I didn't realize I had to spell it out for you.
Oh no professor, I appreciate the help.

bucketss
08-27-2014, 05:59 PM
nick you're being weird.

KnicksorBust
08-27-2014, 07:14 PM
99/100 that guy would be the mvp anyways

That is a great question. How many times has the best offensive player not won MVP because of his overall game?

Looks like no answer.

Hardaway Here
08-27-2014, 07:58 PM
Scoring Title, MVP, and OPOY I would say 7 times out of 10 all 3 would most likely go to the same person. So what would be the point

Jamiecballer
08-27-2014, 08:04 PM
Late to the party again damn.

It would basically be your MVP but I've been beat to the punch

KnickNyKnick
08-27-2014, 09:05 PM
uh scoring title?

Ezio
08-27-2014, 09:29 PM
uh scoring title?

Is it an actual award? I thought it was just a honorary title.

mightybosstone
08-27-2014, 10:35 PM
I actually think this is a pretty solid argument. Hell, look at the NFL's OPOY award. More often than not, it goes to the best QB, just as the MVP does. Or they give it as a consolation prize to the second best QB or best RB. Would it be that way in the NBA? Just for fun, let's look at the guys who led the league in OWS the last 25 years and who won the MVP that season.

2013-14: MVP-Kevin Durant; OWS leader-Kevin Durant (14.8)
2012-13: MVP-Lebron James; OWS leader-Lebron James (14.6)
2011-12: MVP-Lebron James; OWS leader-Chris Paul (10.4)
2010-11: MVP-Derrick Rose; OWS leader-Lebron James (10.3)
2009-10: MVP-Lebron James; OWS leader-Lebron James (13.3)
2008-09: MVP-Lebron James; OWS leader-Lebron James (13.7)
2007-08: MVP-Kobe Bryant; OWS leader-Chris Paul (13.2)
2006-07: MVP-Dirk Nowitzki; OWS leader-Dirk Nowitzki (11.8)
2005-06: MVP-Steve Nash; OWS leader-Dirk Nowitzki (13.5)
2004-05: MVP-Steve Nash; OWS leader-Amare Stoudemire (11.3)
2003-04: MVP-Kevin Garnett; OWS leader-Peja Stojakovic (11.4)
2002-03: MVP-Tim Duncan; OWS leader-Tracy McGrady (13.2)
2001-02: MVP-Tim Duncan; OWS leader-Tim Duncan (10.7)
2000-01: MVP-Allen Iverson; OWS leader-Ray Allen (11.5)
1999-00: MVP-Shaquille O'Neal; OWS leader-Shaq (11.7)
1998-99: MVP-Karl Malone; OWS leader-Shaq (7.2)
1997-98: MVP-Michael Jordan; OWS leader-Karl Malone (12.1)
1996-97: MVP-Karl Malone; OWS leader-MJ (13.3)
1995-96: MVP-Michael Jordan; OWS leader-MJ (14.2)
1994-95: MVP-David Robinson; OWS leader-David Robinson (10.7)
1993-94: MVP-Hakeem Olajuwon; OWS leader-David Robinson (13.3)
1992-93: MVP-Charles Barkley; OWS leader-Michael Jordan (12.0)
1991-92: MVP-Michael Jordan; OWS leader-Michael Jordan (12.1)
1990-91: MVP-Michael Jordan; OWS leader-Michael Jordan (14.9)
1989-90: MVP-Magic Johnson; OWS leader-Michael Jordan (14.7)

In 25 years, the player with the most OWS was the MVP only 11 times. Of the 14 times that was not the case, I would argue that the reason was that the best player that year was a far better defensive player or that the committee did a horrible job selecting the MVP. In a couple of rare cases, neither the MVP or the OWS leader should have won the MVP that year (04-05 and 00-01).

But based on those results, I actually think an Offensive Player of the year award makes a lot of sense. It would be cool for the NBA to do something like this. Just imagine how much it could impact all-time legacy discussions.

Crackadalic
08-27-2014, 11:11 PM
It would be interesting just like the nfl and what mightybosstone posted makes a lot of sense.

MVP= Biggest impact to a team plus top seeded team with all around game accounted for
OPOY=Player with the biggest impact to a team's offense
DPOY Player with the biggest impact to a team's defense

NYKalltheway
08-27-2014, 11:17 PM
offensive win shares do not translate to best offensive player so it's a bit of a null argument

mightybosstone
08-27-2014, 11:55 PM
offensive win shares do not translate to best offensive player so it's a bit of a null argument

I was just using that as a blanket statistic to judge a player's overall offensive impact in a give season. OWS alone are not going to be a perfect barometer to judge who the best offensive player was that season, but it's probably the best single stat to use to measure a player's offensive prowess within a single season. Don't be that guy who nitpicks just because I don't have the time to look up the player with the most points, assists, highest TS%, etc. for 25 seasons. Just posting that sample size took a good 15-20 minutes, and I was just trying to make a simple point, which is that the best offensive player in a give season is not necessarily the guy who wins the MVP.

NYKalltheway
08-28-2014, 12:23 AM
I was just using that as a blanket statistic to judge a player's overall offensive impact in a give season. OWS alone are not going to be a perfect barometer to judge who the best offensive player was that season, but it's probably the best single stat to use to measure a player's offensive prowess within a single season. Don't be that guy who nitpicks just because I don't have the time to look up the player with the most points, assists, highest TS%, etc. for 25 seasons. Just posting that sample size took a good 15-20 minutes, and I was just trying to make a simple point, which is that the best offensive player in a give season is not necessarily the guy who wins the MVP.

Fair enough, but I stand by saying that OWS cannot be by any standards the criterion of how good a player is offensively.

jaydubb
08-28-2014, 04:08 AM
Yea they should do this.. And during lockout years they should have the roly poly award "rookie of lockout year" and the "player of lockout year".. Because they can't have regular awards its not a full season :shrug:

nickdymez
08-28-2014, 12:48 PM
It would be interesting just like the nfl and what mightybosstone posted makes a lot of sense.

MVP= Biggest impact to a team plus top seeded team with all around game accounted for
OPOY=Player with the biggest impact to a team's offense
DPOY Player with the biggest impact to a team's defense
This is exactly what I had in mind. Something exactly like this.

emman03
08-28-2014, 01:19 PM
i guess offensive of the year award is the equivalent of scoring champion award???

NYKalltheway
08-28-2014, 04:42 PM
i guess offensive of the year award is the equivalent of scoring champion award???


Offensive player might also be the guy with better ppg and assists per game combination as well as best turnover/assist ratio and more.

Your comment can be reversed into "most blocks/steals = defensive player of the year". You see why it's wrong ;)

bucketss
08-28-2014, 06:10 PM
This is exactly what I had in mind. Something exactly like this.

not really since earlier you said it would be based on stats. now the award is being compared to dpoy.

smith&wesson
08-28-2014, 06:54 PM
Ok genius, so the mvp is the best offensive player in the game? Close the thread mods, the smart guy figured it out.

I figure the scoring title serves as the offensive player award.

smith&wesson
08-28-2014, 06:55 PM
it would be nice to have a offensive player of the year award based on efficiency though and not just who scores the most.

nickdymez
08-28-2014, 06:55 PM
I figure the scoring title serves as the offensive player award.
Do assist happen on offense or what?

smith&wesson
08-28-2014, 07:03 PM
Do assist happen on offense or what?

Yes, certainly I think you can even take it a step further and make another award called best play maker or best facilitator. But if you wanted to combine playing making, scoring, assist to turn over ratio i think the best way to do it is have the opoy award based on a a players offensive efficiency where all those things are considered as well as shooting % as well.

on a side note, I also think that the nba should add the "hockey assist" I imagine there would be more ball movement and less hogging in that scenerio. but thats a discussion for another thread.

nickdymez
08-28-2014, 07:04 PM
Yes, certainly I think you can even take it a step further and make another award called best play maker or best facilitator. But if you wanted to combine playing making, scoring, assist to turn over ratio i think the best way to do it is have the opoy award based on a a players offensive efficiency

on a side note, I also think that the nba should add the "hockey assist" I imagine there would be more ball movement and less hogging in that scenerio. but thats a discussion for another thread.
Agreed

PowerHouse
08-28-2014, 08:41 PM
Is it an actual award? I thought it was just a honorary title.

Yes it is a legit award. Here's a look at Carmelo's scoring title trophy.

http://cdn.knicksnow.com/uploads/image/image/28830/large_melotrophy.jpg

king4day
08-29-2014, 08:20 AM
I would think the Scoring Title would cover that aspect of it.

todu82
08-29-2014, 10:39 AM
They already have it with the MVP and scoring title.

nickdymez
08-29-2014, 12:11 PM
They already have it with the MVP and scoring title.
Lol. So two awards huh? PSD man. Smh

SportsFanatic10
08-29-2014, 01:15 PM
I would think the Scoring Title would cover that aspect of it.

this...

da ThRONe
08-29-2014, 02:44 PM
In a league that's about accomplishments and hype this seems almost like a no brainer.