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JasonJohnHorn
08-15-2014, 09:28 PM
EDIT: The header is supposed to say "WITHOUT" injuries. My bad. Sorry.

Another recent thread is discussing Oden and guys who have had big drops in their career for any number of reasons, but I'm curious as to what people think Oden's career arc would have looked like without injuries?



Watching him play, one thing is clear: He is a great rebounder.

Another thing is clear: the only way he would NOT foul out if given starting minutes, is if the NBA hired WWE officials and Oden has his manager and/or valet distracting them every time he was on defense.


All recent personal issues aside, Oden has proven that he is a tremendously hard worker. His physical conditioning is frankly amazing. There are few guys more ripped than Oden. And that has made him a tough rebounder, but the first two seasons he played, he averaged over 6 fouls per36. He would not have been an effective defender with those kind of numbers, and his blocks per-fouls ratio is awful.

This year, in limited minutes, it was even worse. he averaged 8.8 fouls per36.

I admittedly have not seen a lot of Oden, and I doubt many fans outside of Portland of college fans have given that he has only played 105 games in almost 10 years (that is about 10 games per season), but the games I have seen, his offense is also very limited. He's not much of a free-throw shooter, and while I wouldn't call him turnover prone, he commits more than his share.

In the small sample size I've seen, I think Oden would have been a huge bust even if he had stayed healthy. His best case scenario is that he ends up like Tyson Chandler, but his fouls would prevent him being as effective on defense. The more likely scenario is he becomes more like Reggie Evans...


I know some will say that he was away from the game for a year before starting his official rookie campaign, but we saw Blake Griffin go through the same process, and his rookie year he was the clear cut ROY and showed even in the first 30 games that he was All-Star material.


So.... would Oden have been a bust regardless? Or would have been able to turn into the next Dikembe or Ben Wallace, or Tyson Chandler?

KnicksorBust
08-15-2014, 10:25 PM
Oden could have been 90% the player alonzo mourning was in his prime.

Captain Moroni
08-15-2014, 10:34 PM
I have read the subject heading 10 times and it still makes zero sense to me. Am I missing something here?

Kaner
08-15-2014, 10:36 PM
No way is Oden a bust if he's healthy! Staying out of foul trouble is something that he'd have learned over time but even with the foul trouble his presence was felt on the court on both ends in his limited action.

You mentioned his per36 numbers for fouls but what about the rest of them. 17/13 with 3.5 blocks and 65% ts in his 2nd year with a 'limited' offensive game. That's pretty damn good for someone who hadn't even begun to tap into his potential. If he ever managed to stay on the court he'd have collected at least 1 or 2 DPOY.

goingfor28
08-15-2014, 10:41 PM
I have read the subject heading 10 times and it still makes zero sense to me. Am I missing something here?
Ok I wasn't the only one haha

benny01
08-15-2014, 11:18 PM
He had the potential to be one of the best defensive bigs in NBA history, but so do most bigs taken in the top 5 or so. Very few actually do it. We can't just assume that if healthy he would have met his potential.

JEDean89
08-15-2014, 11:47 PM
i think he would be the best big in the game. he ran well, was pretty damn athletic for his size and had a game. wouldn't be the best player in the league but he could be the best C. Better than Howard in his prime probably.

LakersA's49ers
08-15-2014, 11:51 PM
at his peak, he still wouldn't have been as good as KD. The Blazers had a vote on their website on who they should take back in 2007. I for one voted KD, as did only like 15% of the public. No worries though Portland. You have a great 1-2 punch in Lillard and LMA. Portland is better off now than what they probably would of been with a healthy Greg Oden.

To answer the question, I'd say his peak would be Tyson Chandler. Productive, but not number 1 pick worthy

Blah Blah Blah
08-15-2014, 11:56 PM
I have read the subject heading 10 times and it still makes zero sense to me. Am I missing something here?

Happened to me too lol. Messed up typing 'without' instead of 'with'

Tblaze
08-16-2014, 12:04 AM
Naw, I don't agree at all with the tyson chandler comparison, his offensive game was much more dominant than most realize...

In the (limited) games he played, he was drawing double teams 80% of the times they were posting him up. He had foul troubles for sure, but that's because he was too trigger happy on blocks..

JWO35
08-16-2014, 12:12 AM
A mixture of Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlain with a sprinkle of Shaquille O'Neal

Laker Legend42
08-16-2014, 01:26 AM
I have read the subject heading 10 times and it still makes zero sense to me. Am I missing something here?
It seems as if we're being asked how good would he have been after recovering from his injuries.

Laker Legend42
08-16-2014, 01:34 AM
at his peak, he still wouldn't have been as good as KD. The Blazers had a vote on their website on who they should take back in 2007. I for one voted KD, as did only like 15% of the public. No worries though Portland. You have a great 1-2 punch in Lillard and LMA. Portland is better off now than what they probably would of been with a healthy Greg Oden.

To answer the question, I'd say his peak would be Tyson Chandler. Productive, but not number 1 pick worthyits hard to compare guys that play different positions. The center position as weak as it is oden would have been top two or three. Consider his college days with the broken right hand. This dude switched lefty and wasn't that bad. No other center could do that. He would have been better than Bynum simply because of attitude and Roy hibbert wouldn't have had a chance. During his short stints of good health he played very well. He also would have been a better center than KD.:)

IBleedPurple
08-16-2014, 01:38 AM
I have read the subject heading 10 times and it still makes zero sense to me. Am I missing something here?

Oden is so injury prone, either the OP or his computer knew better

Ups&Downs
08-16-2014, 02:00 AM
A mixture of Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlain with a sprinkle of Shaquille O'Neal



Really?

rhino17
08-16-2014, 02:52 AM
always looked like he would not live up to the hype. Not necessarily a bust but not worthy of the #1 pick. If healthy, he could have potentially been a 12/12 guy who struggled on defense. He could block shots but he has always gotten into foul trouble because he was no good positionally on defense. Everyone always thought he was some great defender but he had terrible footwork. He was never gonna be the superstar some thought

matt800
08-16-2014, 03:09 AM
As a Portland fan, I saw most of Oden's games. I think it was early in his second season, he just started getting in a rhythm and was showing signs of improvement. I think he had maybe 20 games straight of play, and hadn't been injured in a while (relatively). His fouls were down, and he was having glimpses of dominant play.

His fg% average at the time was around 65% and about 13pts, 2blks, 8rb in 24 minutes.

Considering that most big men take a few years to develop anyways, I think Oden would have been amazing without injuries. Main reasons are he seemed to look a lot better when getting regular minutes, knowing the team, and not currently hurt. He really didn't get much of a rhythm or role built with a team ever.

I think if he had a good year or two of regular play with the same team he would have definitely been on people's radar. Maybe like how Drummond is now, or maybe a little better. Maybe 3-4 years in, one of the top centers.

JasonJohnHorn
08-16-2014, 09:41 AM
I have read the subject heading 10 times and it still makes zero sense to me. Am I missing something here?

Yeah... I forgot to add 'out' to 'with'.

My bad.

JasonJohnHorn
08-16-2014, 09:45 AM
As a Portland fan, I saw most of Oden's games. I think it was early in his second season, he just started getting in a rhythm and was showing signs of improvement. I think he had maybe 20 games straight of play, and hadn't been injured in a while (relatively). His fouls were down, and he was having glimpses of dominant play.

His fg% average at the time was around 65% and about 13pts, 2blks, 8rb in 24 minutes.

Considering that most big men take a few years to develop anyways, I think Oden would have been amazing without injuries. Main reasons are he seemed to look a lot better when getting regular minutes, knowing the team, and not currently hurt. He really didn't get much of a rhythm or role built with a team ever.

I think if he had a good year or two of regular play with the same team he would have definitely been on people's radar. Maybe like how Drummond is now, or maybe a little better. Maybe 3-4 years in, one of the top centers.

Thanks for your insightful comments!

JWO35
08-16-2014, 06:23 PM
Really?http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/f8/f8defe59422b016aebe7fbdf66990c7d05aaa3035ea7a5c37e acbeba9dcd40cc.jpg

FlashBolt
08-16-2014, 06:28 PM
How do you even successfully answer this question? He's played his entire career injured so it's hard to judge what he really looked like when healthy. He would definitely be a top 5 center because he could run the floor and was a big body while providing very good defense. Really hard to judge but I remember they had a segment in which they compared him to the elite centers of NBA history when he was a rookie. Just sad his injuries really damaged his career. When you get selected over KD and had expectations of being one of the greatest centers, you had some serious potential.

NBA_Starter
08-16-2014, 10:15 PM
Without injuries he could have had a Bill Russell lite effect on the game on defense.

Phantom Dreamer
08-16-2014, 10:20 PM
A mixture of Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlain with a sprinkle of Shaquille O'Nealcirca 2014.