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RocketLoc80
08-10-2014, 10:56 AM
Let`s say Lebron had choose to say with the Heat instead of going back to the Cavs? Do you think they would still come out of the east? Would they be favs over the Bulls? And with the way the roster is now could they have beat the Spurs,Thunder or even the Clippers in a series?

beasted86
08-10-2014, 11:16 AM
Most people will want to say no if they are not HEAT fans. At this point it doesn't matter.

I even think regardless of how deep into the playoffs the current HEAT get, or how Wade and Bosh perform this year still won't change people's minds.

96% of basketball fans feel he made the right choice.

Big Zo
08-10-2014, 11:31 AM
They'd need a bit of a revamp in the supporting cast outside the big 3, but yes. I also think they would have won again this past season had they played anyone other than San Antonio.

ManRam
08-10-2014, 11:58 AM
Depends on a lot of things. I'm not gonna sit here and say they would or wouldn't have...I think either are feasible possibilities. With LeBron you're already halfway there. If Wade cut weight like he's doing now and that made a difference they'd be closer. McBob was/is a great fit and an upgrade. They still have some obvious issues, but they made 4 Finals in a row...so of course they could. But they would have needed to do something more than bring in McBob and Granger for me to say they "would have".

RLundi
08-10-2014, 12:19 PM
Most people will want to say no if they are not HEAT fans. At this point it doesn't matter.

I even think regardless of how deep into the playoffs the current HEAT get, or how Wade and Bosh perform this year still won't change people's minds.

96% of basketball fans feel he made the right choice.

96% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

I wonder if Heat fans can be objective and answer honestly, since you've essentially deemed non-Heat fans cannot.

It's not subjective to look at the current Heat roster sans Deng and with LeBron and say that the team did not improve from the season past. They're all a year older (especially Wade) and the eastern conference got stronger. The Heat during the regular season were a good team, but they hardly looked elite.

They swept through the Leastern, but I think in addition to Spurs, the Thunder and Clippers would have also beaten them in the Finals. Today, they would've been worse, and if the Bulls were fully healthy, I'd put them neck and neck with the Heat. It wouldn't be the same cakewalk like it was this past season.

So would the Heat make it to the Finals? They'd have to pass Chicago (not a guarantee) but I honestly think they'd lose to at least 3 teams out west. In my opinion, they wouldn't win a championship as they were, with those incremental improvements.

I guess that makes me part of the 96%.

beasted86
08-10-2014, 12:36 PM
96% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

I wonder if Heat fans can be objective and answer honestly, since you've essentially deemed non-Heat fans cannot.

It's not subjective to look at the current Heat roster sans Deng and with LeBron and say that the team did not improve from the season past. They're all a year older (especially Wade) and the eastern conference got stronger. The Heat during the regular season were a good team, but they hardly looked elite.

They swept through the Leastern, but I think in addition to Spurs, the Thunder and Clippers would have also beaten them in the Finals. Today, they would've been worse, and if the Bulls were fully healthy, I'd put them neck and neck with the Heat. It wouldn't be the same cakewalk like it was this past season.

So would the Heat make it to the Finals? They'd have to pass Chicago (not a guarantee) but I honestly think they'd lose to at least 3 teams out west. In my opinion, they wouldn't win a championship as they were, with those incremental improvements.

I guess that makes me part of the 96%.
96% relates mathematically to 30 teams, so theoretically HEAT fans represent approximately 3% or 3.33% to be exact under equal parity.

All I said was the overwhelming thought among fans are he made the right choice, while among HEAT fans they think he made the wrong choice. I don't see what's wrong with what I said. I didn't say anyone was right or wrong, so right out of the gate you let your bias be known against HEAT fans, therefore I have no more text to waste on you.

hugepatsfan
08-10-2014, 12:42 PM
They'd have a strong shot to IMO but nothing is guaranteed. Their window with the current group would have probably been 2-3 years at most though IMO. Beyond that, they'd have a much declined Wade and an entering the decline phase Bosh locking up all their cap space with Lebron so there would be no flexibility to get better. The reason why I think Lebron made the "right" choice in terms of winning is that CLE has potential longevity as a title contender. In MIA he would have had another couple good cracks at another one but beyond that it would be highly questionable.

jimm120
08-10-2014, 12:45 PM
Wade wasn't the same anymore, but it was obvious they'd at least get to the finals again and again.

Hell, I think they might have made the finals 6 or 7 times. The east is weak and Lebron on his owned carried the weak Cavs before. Wade, no matter how hurt, and Bosh were still good pieces that guaranteed Lebron a trip to the finals.

so yeah, high chance.

Whomever says no isn't thinking clearly about what Lebron has accomplished. Finals with the Cavs was all him. 4 finals and 2 championships was mostly 70% him.

RLundi
08-10-2014, 12:46 PM
96% relates mathematically to 30 teams, so theoretically HEAT fans represent approximately 3% or 3.33% to be exact under equal parity.

All I said was the overwhelming thought among fans are he made the right choice, while among HEAT fans they think he made the wrong choice. I don't see what's wrong with what I said. I didn't say anyone was right or wrong, so right out of the gate you let your bias be known against HEAT fans, therefore I have no more text to waste on you.

Theoretically, and to be exact, your statistic is pointless. Please stop trying to qualify it.

One has to wonder it you know what bias means. Having an opinion different than yours means I'm biased? I just provided reasoning for my opinion, but all you can say is I'm being partial. Sound counterargument.

Don't waste text at all, because you're clearly full of crap and not worth your own argument.

sep11ie
08-10-2014, 12:47 PM
If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle.

Jarvo
08-10-2014, 12:52 PM
Yeah they would have won another ring but not playing against The Spurs.

beasted86
08-10-2014, 12:58 PM
Theoretically, and to be exact, your statistic is pointless. Please stop trying to qualify it.

One has to wonder it you know what bias means. Having an opinion different than yours means I'm biased? I just provided reasoning for my opinion, but all you can say is I'm being partial. Sound counterargument.

Don't waste text at all, because you're clearly full of crap and not worth your own argument.
So you are angry that I quantified the team's fans mathematically? Sorry, I guess that's too bad.

Yes, you are biased attacking my thought that most HEAT fans think he made the wrong choice and if he did resign would continue to believe in their own team as most typical fans believe in their own team. I presume this would be common sense, but you know what they say nowadays, sense isn't all that common. If being "full of crap" is knowing something so blatantly obvious to anyone with a brain inside their head, then I guess my head is "full of crap"and yours is empty.

RLundi
08-10-2014, 01:12 PM
So you are angry that I quantified the team's fans mathematically? Sorry, I guess that's too bad.

Yes, you are biased attacking my thought that most HEAT fans think he made the wrong choice and if he did resign would continue to believe in their own team as most typical fans believe in their own team. I presume this would be common sense, but you know what they say nowadays, sense isn't all that common. If being "full of crap" is knowing something so blatantly obvious to anyone with a brain inside their head, then I guess my head is "full of crap"and yours is empty.

Your common sense is not common, it's just plain biased. You are a homer in every sense of the word. The Heat got decimated in the Finals and you contend they would win it next year had LeBron stayed? Based on what? Hopefully not the results of the past season where they underachieved by their lofty standards. Your reasoning for your baseless argument is "I believe in my team." Well that's cute and all, really. I'd like to hug you and pat you on the head. Yet even in a discussion with someone who's head is empty, you still fall egregiously short.

I disagree with your stance, but for the love of god, back up it with something, anything remotely tangible. Otherwise, follow through on what you promised to do earlier: stop replying.

mngopher35
08-10-2014, 01:21 PM
I think they would have been competitive for another 3ish years and think they would likely win one in that time.

Dade County
08-10-2014, 01:21 PM
Whatever the script told them to do.

If the writers wanted them to win 4 straight titles, they're would have been nothing that any other team could have done about it.

So, I say yes the HEAT could have won more then 3 titles if Lbj stayed. Pat would have retooled.

beasted86
08-10-2014, 01:23 PM
Your common sense is not common, it's just plain biased. You are a homer in every sense of the word. The Heat got decimated in the Finals and you contend they would win it next year had LeBron stayed? Based on what? Hopefully not the results of the past season where they underachieved by their lofty standards. Your reasoning for your baseless argument is "I believe in my team." Well that's cute and all, really. I'd like to hug you and pat you on the head. Yet even in a discussion with someone who's head is empty, you still fall egregiously short.

I disagree with your stance, but for the love of god, back up it with something, anything remotely tangible. Otherwise, follow through on what you promised to do earlier: stop replying.
Hmm... well following the loss in 2011 the team added Shane Battier and rookie Norris Cole and reasonably nobody else to the roster and they won the championship. They went from embarrassing loss to dominating win. The Spurs swapped Gary Neal for Marco Belinelli and added nobody else and went from a bitter loss in the 2013 Finals to a dominant win the next summer.

So I'll in turn ask the questions: would HEAT fans abandon their team in 2014/15 and suddenly believe against their own team? I hope the common sense starts to kick in in that empty head of yours by now and you can answer that question for yourself without anymore of my help. I'm out, take care.

RLundi
08-10-2014, 01:35 PM
Hmm... well following the loss in 2011 the team added Shane Battier and rookie Norris Cole and reasonably nobody else to the roster and they won the championship. They went from embarrassing loss to dominating win. The Spurs swapped Gary Neal for Marco Belinelli and added nobody else and went from a bitter loss in the 2013 Finals to a dominant win the next summer.

So I'll in turn ask the questions: would HEAT fans abandon their team in 2014/15 and suddenly believe against their own team? I hope the common sense starts to kick in in that empty head of yours by now and you can answer that question for yourself without anymore of my help. I'm out, take care.

Thank you for complying. Was that so hard? I still disagree and oppose the logical fallacy you're using (weak analogy, anyone?). Ever heard of "results not typical"? You're comparing a team 2 years older and more injury-prone against a younger team that had never won a ring before. A myriad of variables exist, but I won't get into them.

Anyway, I appreciate the text.

ILLUSIONIST^248
08-10-2014, 02:06 PM
As long as he has the best team in the league he would win. If not, he'll get smacked around like last year.

ATX
08-10-2014, 02:33 PM
It's conceivable that ring chasing vets would have kept coming to Miami for a chance to win. If James would have re-upped for a max five year extension, despite an aging Wade, Riley would have retooled the roster over the years of the contract. So yes, imo given the five year hypothetical, I'd assume James would have won at least one more ring.

torocan
08-10-2014, 02:37 PM
Good chance to get out of the East given uncertainties with the Bulls and Pacers.

Get past the Spurs? No. Not happening barring serious injury to the Spurs.

And I would put them as underdogs against OKC and the Clippers this year, though could conceivably pull out a win.

There's just WAY too many weaknesses in the Heat line up on the bench, at the PG spot, at the Center spot, not to mention Wade on the decline. The Heat's chances of being a serious contender always banked on all 3 of the big 3 being able to step up... take out Wade and you have to rely heavily on depth, something which the Heat would not have and would be difficult to fix given their salary limitations.

The ONLY way it's possible is if all 3 take substantial pay cuts and they shore up the roster in a big way, IE add depth. Depending on their core of Wade, Lebron and Bosh wasn't enough to get them over the hump with Wade's continued decline.