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Stunner
07-17-2014, 07:34 PM
RT @ESPNSteinLine: RT @Chris_Broussard: Sources: Suns offered Eric Bledsoe 4-year, $48 million contract. Bledsoe wants max of 5 years, $80 mil. Sides far apart

Confusious
07-17-2014, 07:35 PM
Trade. They have enough guards as is so they won't miss him.

kobe4thewinbang
07-17-2014, 07:36 PM
LOL...that midget is nuts. 16 million per year? I'm shocked that Suns are offering 12 million.

:speechless:

Is this a response to the Suns offering Hayward a big contract?

chi-townlove1
07-17-2014, 07:37 PM
Unbelievable the ego of these little twats

Bruno
07-17-2014, 07:39 PM
knee concerns, not one full season as a dominant starter? he's not going to get it. Bledsoe should take a two year deal that pays him $30 and just get a new contract under the new CBA.

Bruno
07-17-2014, 07:40 PM
Trade. They have enough guards as is so they won't miss him.

LAL would love to have him two years at 30ish million. Phoenix can take back Nash and take Lin :)

kobe4thewinbang
07-17-2014, 07:41 PM
LAL would love to have him two years at 30ish million. Phoenix can take back Nash and take Lin :)15 million? No thanks. Rather offer that to Monroe.

Tony_Starks
07-17-2014, 07:42 PM
His agent must be poppin Molly's and sweatin...

AddiX
07-17-2014, 07:43 PM
Agents know they have leverage over teams who have trouble getting big name free agents.

Its a joke how some of these slightly above average players make the same as the games best players.

Bruno
07-17-2014, 07:45 PM
15 million? No thanks. Rather offer that to Monroe.

thats what we're already spending on Lin and Nash. we can't sign Bledsoe but we could offer that package. Detroit wouldn't want any part of Lin/Nash. its interesting for Phoenix.

kobe4thewinbang
07-17-2014, 07:45 PM
Agents know they have leverage over teams who have trouble getting big name free agents.

Its a joke how some of these slightly above average players make the same as the games best players.Isn't Carmelo making 16 million now too? Bledsoe wants that much...haha.

shep33
07-17-2014, 07:49 PM
Suns offered him 48, he wants 80... he probably just wants them to meet in the middle. 4 years 60 mill sounds about right.

Didn't Hayward get 4 years at 63 mill?

TylerSL
07-17-2014, 07:50 PM
the hell with these guys that want a max. Bledsoe and Monroe, these guys are fringe all stars at best right now. Screw that.

Duncan = Donkey
07-17-2014, 07:51 PM
He is delusional. He aint getting anything close to that.

rockets-fan
07-17-2014, 07:54 PM
What teams can afford that??

kobe4thewinbang
07-17-2014, 07:55 PM
thats what we're already spending on Lin and Nash. we can't sign Bledsoe but we could offer that package. Detroit wouldn't want any part of Lin/Nash. its interesting for Phoenix.No, no, no. I was saying they should sign Monroe over Bledsoe. But if LA doesn't have 16 million hanging around, then forget what I said. I would still take Lin over Bledsoe though. Phoenix might be interested in Lin.

abe_froman
07-17-2014, 07:56 PM
Suns offered him 48, he wants 80... he probably just wants them to meet in the middle. 4 years 60 mill sounds about right.

Didn't Hayward get 4 years at 63 mill?

wings that produce what hayward does is rarer than pg's that produce what bledsoe does,besides bledsoe only has one year of such.what the suns offered is fair and doubt he'll find better

Vampirate
07-17-2014, 07:57 PM
Glad the Raptors locked up Lowry and early.

Bruno
07-17-2014, 08:04 PM
No, no, no. I was saying they should sign Monroe over Bledsoe. But if LA doesn't have 16 million hanging around, then forget what I said. I would still take Lin over Bledsoe though. Phoenix might be interested in Lin.

they can't sign either of them. they'd have to trade. I'd take Bledsoe over Lin without thinking twice about it. Nash gets to return home, Dragic plays SG, Lin or Thomas starts. Nash gets a feel good ending. it could happen if Bledsoe doesn't get any better offer or Phoenix can't get a better package for him now that so many teams have spent their money.

2-ONE-5
07-17-2014, 08:05 PM
PG is the deepest position n the league its comical he we wants that much. Lowry got 12 (i think) so that means Bledsoe should be in the 8-9 range

KnicksorBust
07-17-2014, 08:06 PM
Bledsoe is awesome. $80 mil is a deal.

chi-townlove1
07-17-2014, 08:08 PM
Bledsoe is ******. $80 mil is a joke.


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BlondeBomber41
07-17-2014, 08:13 PM
One good year, injury concerns, erratic jump shot, not a lot of experience as a lead PG.... definitely not worth a deal like that.

KnicksorBust
07-17-2014, 08:14 PM
Bledsoe is ******. $80 mil is a joke.


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Explain why its a joke. He can do it all.

jerellh528
07-17-2014, 08:16 PM
If not for injury concerns I could see a team giving him that much. I'd be comfortable at around 11 per yr.

marj987
07-17-2014, 08:18 PM
He's crazy to even get 60 mil

KiNgSuNs1
07-17-2014, 08:20 PM
I hope they trade him but not to the lakers. That's a joke of a package.

zn23
07-17-2014, 08:21 PM
lol delusional. I'm all for players wanting more money but in his best year he missed a lot of games...

albertajaysfan
07-17-2014, 08:21 PM
Explain why its a joke. He can do it all.

But has to prove he can do it as a starter for a full season.

He is an injury risk plus he has little leverage because few teams have cap space left to put any pressure on Phoenix to up their offer.

jerellh528
07-17-2014, 08:23 PM
I hope they trade him but not to the lakers. That's a joke of a package.

If the lakers somehow managed to pull off something like that for Nash and Lin, I would go berserk, be absolutely thrilled. It will never happen though. But I wonder how much phx values expirings.

Duncan = Donkey
07-17-2014, 08:27 PM
PG is the deepest position n the league its comical he we wants that much. Lowry got 12 (i think) so that means Bledsoe should be in the 8-9 range

I dont agree with that, they deserve the same deal.

Duncan = Donkey
07-17-2014, 08:29 PM
If the lakers somehow managed to pull off something like that for Nash and Lin, I would go berserk, be absolutely thrilled. It will never happen though. But I wonder how much phx values expirings.

Keep Dreaming Brah:cool:

FlashBolt
07-17-2014, 08:29 PM
And that is why I think NBA is going to die. The way they are giving out contracts these days are setting a bad example. The garbage players somehow think they're max.. Remember Rubio demanding a max? Yeah.

KnicksorBust
07-17-2014, 08:30 PM
Explain why its a joke. He can do it all.

But has to prove he can do it as a starter for a full season.

He is an injury risk plus he has little leverage because few teams have cap space left to put any pressure on Phoenix to up their offer.

You dont think he can? Contracts are based off future performance not past. He is a stud.

zn23
07-17-2014, 08:31 PM
Bledsoe has like no leverage at all here. Especially since the Suns signed Isaiah Thomas, who is more than capable of taking his spot. Add the fact that he's coming off knee surgery and it doesn't bode well for him.

chitown85
07-17-2014, 08:42 PM
Bledsoe is the truth. That's a lot of scratch tho...I say offer him 65-70, he takes it.

MTar786
07-17-2014, 08:43 PM
wow i expected 90 million. suns are getting a deal. bledsoe must be taking one for the team

2-ONE-5
07-17-2014, 08:45 PM
I dont agree with that, they deserve the same deal.

based on what exactly?

KnicksorBust
07-17-2014, 08:45 PM
Bledsoe has like no leverage at all here. Especially since the Suns signed Isaiah Thomas, who is more than capable of taking his spot. Add the fact that he's coming off knee surgery and it doesn't bode well for him.

Lmao at no leverage. Being awesome at basketball and desperately needed by your team helps.

jerellh528
07-17-2014, 08:47 PM
Lmao at no leverage. Being awesome at basketball and desperately needed by your team helps.

I wouldn't say he's desperately needed by the suns.

0nekhmer
07-17-2014, 08:56 PM
Okay yeah he's not worth 16m but that market value isn't bad. I also guarantee none of you watched him play. I had him on my fanatasy so i watched him on a daily. He was pulling multiple 30, 5, 5 games until he went down with injury. He's a beast and I'd give him that money if i were a team like L. A

KnicksorBust
07-17-2014, 09:02 PM
Lmao at no leverage. Being awesome at basketball and desperately needed by your team helps.

I wouldn't say he's desperately needed by the suns.

With him they could win 50 games without hin they win 30.

Duncan = Donkey
07-17-2014, 09:03 PM
based on what exactly?

In Bledsoes first season starting he has put up a better season than Lowry ever has, except for this season. Even then Lowry wasn't that much better. His Youth/Production/Potential/Defense easily makes him deserving of Lowry's deal

Duncan = Donkey
07-17-2014, 09:03 PM
With him they could win 50 games without hin they win 30.

lol, 30.

Duncan = Donkey
07-17-2014, 09:07 PM
Okay yeah he's not worth 16m but that market value isn't bad. I also guarantee none of you watched him play. I had him on my fanatasy so i watched him on a daily. He was pulling multiple 30, 5, 5 games until he went down with injury. He's a beast and I'd give him that money if i were a team like L. A

LOL, no he wasnt. He scored over 30 twice last season. And only once did he have a 30/5/5 game. He had 30/11/9 against the Spurs

IndyRealist
07-17-2014, 09:07 PM
With him they could win 50 games without hin they win 30.

Lebron and Durant were maybe worth 20 wins last year. I wouldn't put anyone else in that stratosphere.

Duncan = Donkey
07-17-2014, 09:09 PM
Lebron and Durant were maybe worth 20 wins last year. I wouldn't put anyone else in that stratosphere.

His talking nonsense. Even without Bledsoe last year they had a winning record.

TheNumber37
07-17-2014, 09:13 PM
If you've never made an all star team... Stop asking for more than 12 million a year.

Stunner
07-17-2014, 09:14 PM
Bledsoe is the truth. That's a lot of scratch tho...I say offer him 65-70, he takes it.

Naw

Stunner
07-17-2014, 09:15 PM
If you've never made an all star team... Stop asking for more than 12 million a year.

Or even started for 3 years at a high level

Duncan = Donkey
07-17-2014, 09:15 PM
If you've never made an all star team... Stop asking for more than 12 million a year.

Dont agree with that, id happily pay Dragic 12 mill a year.

Duncan = Donkey
07-17-2014, 09:16 PM
Or even started for 3 years at a high level

You wouldnt pay a rookie shaq 12 mill a year, or 2nd year Lebron................yeahhhhhhhhhhhh righttttttttt.

IversonIsKrazy
07-17-2014, 09:18 PM
Terrible. Guy is still not proven, he was rly injured last year. He still needs to prove a full-season as lead PG or SG. Asking price is wayy too much for him. I think what might end up happening is a short 2 or 3 yr deal for around $14M, if Bledsoe believes he will be a superstar in a few years and prove himself to be worth $80M like that.

Duncan = Donkey
07-17-2014, 09:21 PM
Terrible. Guy is still not proven, he was rly injured last year. He still needs to prove a full-season as lead PG or SG. Asking price is wayy too much for him. I think what might end up happening is a short 2 or 3 yr deal for around $14M, if Bledsoe believes he will be a superstar in a few years and prove himself to be worth $80M like that.

dont see him taking a deal for less years and money with his injury history - sounds like disaster waiting to happen

Stunner
07-17-2014, 09:21 PM
You wouldnt pay a rookie shaq 12 mill a year, or 2nd year Lebron................yeahhhhhhhhhhhh righttttttttt.

Listen to yourself , you just compared Bledsoe to Shaq and Lebron not to mention I said 3 years at a high level . One year as a starter and he's asking for what Kyrie got almost . A Roy , 2 time all star , rising star MVP .... I mean let's get real .

Stunner
07-17-2014, 09:23 PM
dont see him taking a deal for less money with his injury history - sounds like disaster waiting to happen

More reason not to pay him , trade him to the bucks for Ellyasova and Mayo and a 1st .

PowerHouse
07-17-2014, 09:27 PM
His greed is beyond ridiculous. Even the 4 year 48 million he rejected was way too much. If Stephenson is only going to make 9 mil per than Bledsoe doesnt deserve 12 per, let alone 16 per.

Duncan = Donkey
07-17-2014, 09:28 PM
Listen to yourself , you just compared Bledsoe to Shaq and Lebron not to mention I said 3 years at a high level . One year as a starter and he's asking for what Kyrie got almost . A Roy , 2 time all star , rising star MVP .... I mean let's get real .

Your saying you would only pay a guy big money if he started at a high level for 3 years. So your basically saying you wouldnt pay a rookie shaq 12 mill a year just because he hasnt played at a high level for the previous 3 years. Its got nothing to do with comparing Bledsoe to Shaq.

Duncan = Donkey
07-17-2014, 09:29 PM
More reason not to pay him , trade him to the bucks for Ellyasova and Mayo .

:puke:

Stunner
07-17-2014, 09:34 PM
Your saying you would only pay a guy big money if he started at a high level for 3 years. So your basically saying you wouldnt pay a rookie shaq 12 mill a year just because he hasnt played at a high level for the previous 3 years. Its got nothing to do with comparing Bledsoe to Shaq.

You're comparing tho , Shaq was a dominate player at an early age and a high draft pick , Bledsoe not even top 10 at his position .

KnicksorBust
07-17-2014, 09:35 PM
With him they could win 50 games without hin they win 30.

Lebron and Durant were maybe worth 20 wins last year. I wouldn't put anyone else in that stratosphere.

Did you even watch bledsoe last year?

KnicksorBust
07-17-2014, 09:36 PM
His greed is beyond ridiculous. Even the 4 year 48 million he rejected was way too much. If Stephenson is only going to make 9 mil per than Bledsoe doesnt deserve 12 per, let alone 16 per.

Lol you dont really think lance is the same do u?

ManRam
07-17-2014, 09:36 PM
More reason not to pay him , trade him to the bucks for Ellyasova and Mayo .

Yuck.

Bledsoe isn't worth this, but he's a really good player. Super proven? No. But I believe it. I love watching him play. Pre-draft he was the guy I wanted the Magic to throw money at. He's a great two way player. I think he'll be the league's best defensive PG for years to come.


Also, to whomever said it: he's worth way more than Lance. Don't use that as the comparison.

ManRam
07-17-2014, 09:38 PM
With him they could win 50 games without hin they win 30.

Let's not get carried away. I love Bledsoe's game, but with Isaiah there Bledsoe is absolutely NOT a 20 win player. That's reserved for the LeBron's of the world.

NBA_Starter
07-17-2014, 09:38 PM
Bledsoe has lost his mind!

Duncan = Donkey
07-17-2014, 09:51 PM
You're comparing tho , Shaq was a dominate player at an early age and a high draft pick , Bledsoe not even top 10 at his position .

So you agree with me, you dont have to be a 3 year starter playing at a high level to earn a 12 mill contract. Thats what I am saying.

Lakeshow24KB
07-17-2014, 09:55 PM
You're comparing tho , Shaq was a dominate player at an early age and a high draft pick , Bledsoe not even top 10 at his position .

He's arguing that experience alone and years in the league don't always correlate to how much money a player should get.

Cal827
07-17-2014, 09:55 PM
Yeah.... Bledsoe probably looked at Heyward's contract and said... ****, if that gets you 60+ million.. then I might as well try and strike it rich

No where near worth 80 million, this ain't 2k, where players ask for the max lol

Stunner
07-17-2014, 10:04 PM
He's arguing that experience alone and years in the league don't always correlate to how much money a player should get.

Oh well yea I agree but I don't agree he should be asking for what he is over starting one year .

PowerHouse
07-17-2014, 10:18 PM
Lol you dont really think lance is the same do u?

Absolutely not. Obviously they dont play the same position and Stephenson is a more valueable player. Stephenson had a higher WinShare, higher FG% and higher eFG% than Bledsoe last year. Although Bledsoe does have a slight edge in WS/48.

Duncan = Donkey
07-17-2014, 10:28 PM
Absolutely not. Obviously they dont play the same position and Stephenson is a more valueable player. Stephenson had a higher WinShare, higher FG% and higher eFG% than Bledsoe last year. Although Bledsoe does have a slight edge in WS/48.

He had a higher win share because he played more games. Bledsoe had a better TS% and killed him in PER. Bledsoe 19.6 / Stephenson 14.7

NBA_Starter
07-17-2014, 10:36 PM
Bledose should thank the Hornets if he gets it.

PowerHouse
07-17-2014, 11:17 PM
He had a higher win share because he played more games. Bledsoe had a better TS% and killed him in PER. Bledsoe 19.6 / Stephenson 14.7

True but I still think Bledsoe is out of his mind. The jealousy of Hayward's contract must be the underlying situation.

MrfadeawayJB
07-17-2014, 11:21 PM
:laugh:


You get a max contract! You get a max contract! You get a max contract! (Oprah voice)

MrfadeawayJB
07-17-2014, 11:26 PM
Okay yeah he's not worth 16m but that market value isn't bad. I also guarantee none of you watched him play. I had him on my fanatasy so i watched him on a daily. He was pulling multiple 30, 5, 5 games until he went down with injury. He's a beast and I'd give him that money if i were a team like L. A

LOL, no he wasnt. He scored over 30 twice last season. And only once did he have a 30/5/5 game. He had 30/11/9 against the Spurs


:burn:

Lakeshow24KB
07-18-2014, 12:01 AM
Oh well yea I agree but I don't agree he should be asking for what he is over starting one year .

I agree with you on that

Chucky Woods
07-18-2014, 12:08 AM
I can see the Bucks working out a S&T for Bledsoe if he truly isn't interested in the Suns' offer... A chance to play and grow with Giannis and Parker could be enticing to him and I believe they have the pieces.

RLundi
07-18-2014, 12:17 AM
:burn:

:laugh2:

FOXHOUND
07-18-2014, 01:05 AM
In this years market of course he's going to want 5/$80M, Gordon Hayward got 4/$64M.

mdm692
07-18-2014, 01:28 AM
LOL...that midget is nuts. 16 million per year? I'm shocked that Suns are offering 12 million.

:speechless:

Is this a response to the Suns offering Hayward a big contract?

Suns didn't offer Hayward a big contract lol. He never made it out of Charlotte.

FriedTofuz
07-18-2014, 02:23 AM
A better question, which team is stupid enough to give him that?

Clippersfan86
07-18-2014, 02:50 AM
Bledsoe>Hayward and Parsons noticeably and I don't see threads specifically made to ***** about them. He's more likely to earn this size contract than those two. Is it overpay? Yes.. by the fans standards. Is it truly overpay though when teams are handing out max contracts like candy? Probably not.

Iron24th
07-18-2014, 04:22 AM
Isn't Carmelo making 16 million now too? Bledsoe wants that much...haha.

Melo is making 24+M

2-ONE-5
07-18-2014, 07:10 AM
In Bledsoes first season starting he has put up a better season than Lowry ever has, except for this season. Even then Lowry wasn't that much better. His Youth/Production/Potential/Defense easily makes him deserving of Lowry's deal

no it doesnt not when you couldnt finish the season healthy. I think he benfited from his coaching more than anything on the offensive side. Most of that team ha career offensive years

Duncan = Donkey
07-18-2014, 07:51 AM
no it doesnt not when you couldnt finish the season healthy. I think he benfited from his coaching more than anything on the offensive side. Most of that team ha career offensive years

:crazy:Uh he did finish the season healthy....

Lets not forget last year was the first all star caliber season Lowry has put together, and he has been in the league for 8 seasons. \

Bledsoe will get a deal greater or equal to Lowry, his younger and will become better than Lowry.

Crackadalic
07-18-2014, 09:35 AM
Melo is making 24+M

He's making 22.5 mil first two years. He doesn't hit 24 till year 3

Bledsoe to me is like the point guard version of lebron james. IF he was healthy he deserves that max

Problem is people can't risk injury prone players. He needs to just sign a short deal and get his max later on.

If all else fails take the QO and become unrestricted next season

oldbutjacked
07-18-2014, 11:27 AM
It really annoys me that a borderline above average player makes so much more then an NFL superstar

Vinylman
07-18-2014, 12:49 PM
people are overreacting... he obviously has at least this offer of 4/$48 million on the table with someone and is just letting that team know that Phoenix has already offered it (which would indicate that they will match).

It is all about getting the most you can and that is going to require him signing an offer sheet with someone...

This is all typical Sarver though...Sarver is fundamentally cheap and probably could already have him for 4/$55

dhopisthename
07-18-2014, 12:59 PM
Bledsoe>Hayward and Parsons noticeably and I don't see threads specifically made to ***** about them. He's more likely to earn this size contract than those two. Is it overpay? Yes.. by the fans standards. Is it truly overpay though when teams are handing out max contracts like candy? Probably not.

neither one of those guys have had two knee surgeries. that is what is really holding him back.

Aust
07-18-2014, 01:05 PM
Guy needs to prove he can stay healthy

Chi StateOfMind
07-18-2014, 01:19 PM
That ***** is trippin.

sammyvine
07-18-2014, 04:13 PM
Steph Curry - 4 years 44m

Hmmmm

SILVER SEAVER
07-18-2014, 04:28 PM
Busted his *** in a contract year after slacking prior to that.....can you say RED FLAGS? The guy practically wants to be get paid as max player. Drug test him immediately. I'd take Dragic all day over Bledsoe.

daleja424
07-18-2014, 04:48 PM
He won't get it. He screwed this up and the market has gotten away. There isn't much of a market anymore. He will eventually have to sign closer to phx price of he wants a paycheck.

RubberBand Man
07-18-2014, 05:03 PM
15 million? No thanks. Rather offer that to Monroe.

Monroe Monroe Monroe! !!!!

RLundi
07-18-2014, 05:44 PM
Busted his *** in a contract year after slacking prior to that.....can you say RED FLAGS? The guy practically wants to be get paid as max player. Drug test him immediately. I'd take Dragic all day over Bledsoe.

How did he slack prior to that...? He was on the Clippers playing behind one of the best PGs in NBA history.

Even then, he had a great year last year. Idk if slacked is the right word. I've always seen him playing fierce like a bulldog, like he has something to prove.

But perhaps I just didn't watch him enough. Small sample size? Maybe clippersfan86 can chime in on that.

east fb knicks
07-18-2014, 05:49 PM
I hope Bledsoe signs his qo and leaves the suns and the suns get nothing in return the suns were lucky to get him for next to nothing now they don't wanna pay the man:eyebrow:

DR_1
07-18-2014, 07:33 PM
With him they could win 50 games without hin they win 30.

Stop trolling KoB :laugh2:

NBA_Starter
07-18-2014, 08:04 PM
He is tripping for sure.

Clippersfan86
07-19-2014, 05:33 AM
How did he slack prior to that...? He was on the Clippers playing behind one of the best PGs in NBA history.

Even then, he had a great year last year. Idk if slacked is the right word. I've always seen him playing fierce like a bulldog, like he has something to prove.

But perhaps I just didn't watch him enough. Small sample size? Maybe clippersfan86 can chime in on that.

You are correct, he is wrong regarding Bledsoe. As you implied Bledsoe's always had a chip on his shoulder, been tough as hell and worked his *** off. Anyone who followed him in college or in his Clippers years would know he was a project. He was kind of the Westbrook type. Out of control, freak athlete who needed a couple years to refine his game to explode.

To say he slacked is a damn joke. Nobody worked harder on the team outside of Blake Griffin. Nobody played harder on the court maybe PERIOD, or at worst besides Griffin again.

Clippersfan86
07-19-2014, 05:34 AM
Busted his *** in a contract year after slacking prior to that.....can you say RED FLAGS? The guy practically wants to be get paid as max player. Drug test him immediately. I'd take Dragic all day over Bledsoe.

This is as clueless as it gets.

MILLERHIGHLIFE
07-19-2014, 11:26 AM
Bledsoe holds all the cards if he mentions qualifying offer. Then says he's leaving after season is up. Suns can only call him on it and let the season finish out or trade him at the deadline. But most teams wont trade for him unless they know he will sign a new deal. But most teams wont put in a huge offer when they know they can just sign him out right after qualifying offer expires if that's the road he takes. Its a gamble if he takes QO and gets injured.

Sadds The Gr8
07-19-2014, 03:26 PM
With him they could win 50 games without hin they win 30.
huh? they were barely worse when he got hurt and they have Isaiah who can do 100% of what he can do offense (Bledsoe is better on d but it's pg and pg defense isn't very important). I'd say 5 wins worse at the most and that might be generous to Bledsoe.

SILVER SEAVER
07-19-2014, 03:32 PM
Unbelievable the ego of these little twats

You said it man. Can the clubs ask for the money back when they suck or slack for three to four years of their contracts?

SILVER SEAVER
07-19-2014, 03:34 PM
This is as clueless as it gets.

You stay classy Clippersfan86.

SILVER SEAVER
07-19-2014, 03:39 PM
Let him walk. Phoenix has enough offensive firepower. See what idiots pay him what he wants for one f-ing season. Houston are you listening?

Clippersfan86
07-19-2014, 05:04 PM
You stay classy Clippersfan86.

Really? Your post was clueless, not you in general. I actually don't even remember us interacting before, so I'm not going to give a blanket statement regarding your usual posting. I'm not attacking your post out of the blue to be an ***. You called a guy a slacker who's the opposite. I have no problem being called out when I'm wrong, neither should you. Bledsoe deserves way more credit.

FlashBolt
07-20-2014, 01:31 PM
This is as clueless as it gets.

You stay classy Clippersfan86.

He got banned on ISH for being a major troll. Even to this day, they comment on his stupidity. It's true. He's also known as the most biased supporter of a team - which I guess you can tell is true.

2-ONE-5
07-20-2014, 01:55 PM
huh? they were barely worse when he got hurt and they have Isaiah who can do 100% of what he can do offense (Bledsoe is better on d but it's pg and pg defense isn't very important). I'd say 5 wins worse at the most and that might be generous to Bledsoe.

wait how isnt defense at the point important?

Sadds The Gr8
07-20-2014, 02:01 PM
wait how isnt defense at the point important?
it is, but not as important as the other positions. there are no lockdown pg's in the nba today...

U can't lockdown a pg with a pg in today's nba with the rules and how quick they are. U need a great anchor at the back and scheme to lockdown a pg for the most part.

king4day
07-20-2014, 03:18 PM
Here's the issue.

1. Bledsoe is coming off his second knee surgery.
2. He missed around 30 someodd games because of it. The Suns, while better with him, didn't miss much of a beat.

So that leaves a couple of points.

1. He can't say he's the best player on the team and that Phoenix NEEDS him (this statement isn't true).
2. McDonough is offering 4 years @ 48 mil. This is equal to what Lowry is getting despite not having as good a season.
3. Bledsoe isn't just asking for the 4 year max. He wants the full 5 years that only the team who owns his rights has. So the sides are 30+ mil apart.
4. I'm sure people remember years ago when Livingston turned down close to 40 mil over 4 or 5 years. He decided to take the QO and then be an UFA the following year. Instead, that season he has a horrific knee injury where, until now, he was living off the vet minimum.

People might think he has the advantage but when you can make 48mil guaranteed, it's hard to pass that up given the above situations. Or he can take just under 4 mil for this season and hope he isn't traded to a team who can't use him right and forces him to get paid less.

Evan Turner was looking at a really nice payday until he went to Indiana.

If the Suns gave in, there will be people saying it's a bad contract. If we don't, there're people saying we're cheap and deserve whatever happens...

SILVER SEAVER
07-20-2014, 03:38 PM
So the Lakers are rumored to be offering him a near max contract.........man those Buss children seem totally lost in running this franchise since their father passed. It's a sad sight to see a franchise that was seen as NBA royalty fall so far even with IMO a top five player still under contract which that contract was also a mistake because it's hampering them from add multiple pieces to surround Kobe. Adding Bledsoe at some ridiculous number around 16-18 million per would be a catastrophic error in judgment. He's not really a true point guard, he's basically an undersized 6'1" two guard whose numbers and play weren't that amazing to where it warrants the kind of payday his camp is seeking or what is possibly going to get from a team like the Lakers who is desperate to turn water into wine this offseason.

SILVER SEAVER
07-20-2014, 03:47 PM
Really? Your post was clueless, not you in general. I actually don't even remember us interacting before, so I'm not going to give a blanket statement regarding your usual posting. I'm not attacking your post out of the blue to be an ***. You called a guy a slacker who's the opposite. I have no problem being called out when I'm wrong, neither should you. Bledsoe deserves way more credit.

I don't know what he deserves way more credit for. I saw a lot of his games and saw some flashes but nothing consistent to where I would lose my mind as a GM and break the bank for his services. Drug testing needs to be in order for him and his camp to even be so delusional to seek that type of money from what I saw to be just a good season, not great. You labeled him I believe it was a "bulldog", a little premature seeing as he only has a small sample size which makes his contract demands even that more insane. But I guess being a Clippers fan you probably saw a bunch of him and maybe saw something more than the rest of us. I just didn't see it. Dragic is more proven and I'd prefer his game over Bledsoe's.....just my opinion that I am entitled to.

2-ONE-5
07-20-2014, 04:18 PM
it is, but not as important as the other positions. there are no lockdown pg's in the nba today...

U can't lockdown a pg with a pg in today's nba with the rules and how quick they are. U need a great anchor at the back and scheme to lockdown a pg for the most part.

this is exactly why you need your pg to be a strong defender. sure most top points are near unstoppable but you still have others out there who are able to at the least contain them and even shut them down.

2-ONE-5
07-20-2014, 04:21 PM
I don't know what he deserves way more credit for. I saw a lot of his games and saw some flashes but nothing consistent to where I would lose my mind as a GM and break the bank for his services. Drug testing needs to be in order for him and his camp to even be so delusional to seek that type of money from what I saw to be just a good season, not great. You labeled him I believe it was a "bulldog", a little premature seeing as he only has a small sample size which makes his contract demands even that more insane. But I guess being a Clippers fan you probably saw a bunch of him and maybe saw something more than the rest of us. I just didn't see it. Dragic is more proven and I'd prefer his game over Bledsoe's.....just my opinion that I am entitled to.

how are you coming to the conclusion that he needs to be given a drug test for seeking a max deal?

Sadds The Gr8
07-20-2014, 04:47 PM
this is exactly why you need your pg to be a strong defender. sure most top points are near unstoppable but you still have others out there who are able to at the least contain them and even shut them down.
obviously it doesn't hurt if your pg can defend, but if you're a good-great offensive player you can get away with not being a good defender at pg.

curry, Parker, lillard, Lawson, Nash (in his prime), kyrie get away with it. Isaiah can be put on that list as well if he continues to produce like last year

colinskik
07-20-2014, 04:59 PM
Bledsoe is really a special talent, but that fact that he was injured in his first year as a starter and PHX now has Isiah and Dragic, Bledsoe doesn't really have the leverage here.

SluggeR
07-20-2014, 05:21 PM
The kid could bet on himself and sign his QO and become an unrestricted FA this offseason. The Suns should probably flip him for some assets or a player that strengthens an area of weakness for them. They are going to be in the same situation with Dragic next year, I'm sure they don't want to commit about half their cap space to the pg position.

LA_Raiders
07-20-2014, 06:00 PM
Lol, even at 12 is overpaying him.

Clippersfan86
07-20-2014, 06:05 PM
He got banned on ISH for being a major troll. Even to this day, they comment on his stupidity. It's true. He's also known as the most biased supporter of a team - which I guess you can tell is true.

Is that why there is a 11 page thread+ 2 other similar threads right now to bring me back? For every 1 person who said they don't want me back 4-5 said yes. I'm not saying this to boast, but rather to point out that you repeating a lie over and over about my history on another forum is misinformed. You're so clueless on the situation that it's hilarious.

Clippersfan86
07-20-2014, 06:13 PM
I don't know what he deserves way more credit for. I saw a lot of his games and saw some flashes but nothing consistent to where I would lose my mind as a GM and break the bank for his services. Drug testing needs to be in order for him and his camp to even be so delusional to seek that type of money from what I saw to be just a good season, not great. You labeled him I believe it was a "bulldog", a little premature seeing as he only has a small sample size which makes his contract demands even that more insane. But I guess being a Clippers fan you probably saw a bunch of him and maybe saw something more than the rest of us. I just didn't see it. Dragic is more proven and I'd prefer his game over Bledsoe's.....just my opinion that I am entitled to.

He's a bulldog in the sense that at any given time he plays harder than anyone on the floor and that he works his *** off. What small sample size? He's a 4 year vet now and any time he's gotten minutes besides his really raw rookie year, he's been very good. I never recall you downing Bledsoe due to Dragic, or even comparing them. Dragic is a better offensive player and more natural PG but Bledsoe is the better ALL AROUND player. Although why are we comparing them when TOGETHER they were arguably the best backcourt in the NBA last year?

Dragic is on a bargain contract and with the contracts being handed out to other tier 2 and 3 players like the much worse than Bledsoe... Hayward and even Parsons, you're overreacting to this contract demand. Bledsoe has more upside than both of these guys too (quite a bit more probably). As someone else said in this thread the ONLY reason this is even a discussion is the past knee injuries. Which may or may not even be an issue going forward. Is he a little riskier health wise? Yes. Is he worthy of a max contract based on his PERFORMANCE when compared to lesser peers getting max contracts? Absolutely.

Tony_Starks
07-20-2014, 08:44 PM
This guys agent is giving him some really bad advice, I can't believe he is dumb enough to go along with it.

Phoenix has a stockpile of PGs, they can wait him out until the cows come home.

SILVER SEAVER
07-20-2014, 09:07 PM
He's a bulldog in the sense that at any given time he plays harder than anyone on the floor and that he works his *** off. What small sample size? He's a 4 year vet now and any time he's gotten minutes besides his really raw rookie year, he's been very good. I never recall you downing Bledsoe due to Dragic, or even comparing them. Dragic is a better offensive player and more natural PG but Bledsoe is the better ALL AROUND player. Although why are we comparing them when TOGETHER they were arguably the best backcourt in the NBA last year?

Dragic is on a bargain contract and with the contracts being handed out to other tier 2 and 3 players like the much worse than Bledsoe... Hayward and even Parsons, you're overreacting to this contract demand. Bledsoe has more upside than both of these guys too (quite a bit more probably). As someone else said in this thread the ONLY reason this is even a discussion is the past knee injuries. Which may or may not even be an issue going forward. Is he a little riskier health wise? Yes. Is he worthy of a max contract based on his PERFORMANCE when compared to lesser peers getting max contracts? Absolutely.

What lesser players compared to Bledsoe are getting max contracts? I only can think of a handful or so who are actually getting max contracts. In his previous three seasons he didn't do a whole heck of a lot and he had a good year last season not a great one as I said to warrant a max contract or anything close to that. Look at his stats last season and honestly tell me he belongs to be up there with guys like Melo and LeBron in the max contract stratosphere ? Plus you mention knee injuries.....is that a guy you can depend on to stay healthy and give that much money and years to?

IndyRealist
07-20-2014, 09:18 PM
Evan Turner was looking at a really nice payday until he went to Indiana.

Realize this is a bit off topic, but going to Indy just exposed the fact that Philly was inflating his numbers to trade him. He was horrible in Philly, he was horrible in Indy. The Sixers just gave him a crap-ton of shots.

The kid could bet on himself and sign his QO and become an unrestricted FA this offseason. The Suns should probably flip him for some assets or a player that strengthens an area of weakness for them. They are going to be in the same situation with Dragic next year, I'm sure they don't want to commit about half their cap space to the pg position.
I believe if he plays on the qualifying offer, then he cannot be traded without his permission.

Clippersfan86
07-20-2014, 09:38 PM
What lesser players compared to Bledsoe are getting max contracts? I only can think of a handful or so who are actually getting max contracts. In his previous three seasons he didn't do a whole heck of a lot and he had a good year last season not a great one as I said to warrant a max contract or anything close to that. Look at his stats last season and honestly tell me he belongs to be up there with guys like Melo and LeBron in the max contract stratosphere ? Plus you mention knee injuries.....is that a guy you can depend on to stay healthy and give that much money and years to?

Did you read my post? Parsons and Hayward both got max offers. Bledsoe is better than both and not by a small margin.

SILVER SEAVER
07-20-2014, 09:59 PM
Did you read my post? Parsons and Hayward both got max offers. Bledsoe is better than both and not by a small margin.

Are you really saying that Bledsoe is head and shoulders better than Parsons? Hayward I'm not sold on, Charlotte's offer sheet was too high for a guy that basically had a good half of a season last year. From what you're saying two wrongs should make a right? If someone falls and bumps their head and offers a guy like Hayward a ton that everybody else should follow suit? Some teams are wiser now and not jumping on a one season or half season wonder like Houston did with Lin. If Bledsoe's camp was smart which from this all signs show they're not he's young enough to sign a one or two year deal and prove that he's legit and worthy of a max contract. Them acting like the world's ending and he needs a max deal right now shows little faith in that he can stay healthy or even duplicate what he did this season. LeBron is smart enough to take a two year deal so when there is more money to be had in three years he will earn a heck of a lot more than just asking for a boatload now. Desperation shows when teams like in Charlotte and Utah's case give a guy not worthy of a max deal that kind of money or even have it on the table. Bledsoe has to prove a hell of a lot more before he has the brass to demand that much.

SILVER SEAVER
07-20-2014, 10:03 PM
It's your right to believe whatever you want to believe about Bledose and it's my right to disagree with you on it......so agree to disagree. No hard feelings. We can go in circles about this for days. I think elite players getting max contracts and even if those who aren't deserving get them I still don't just think any player who is better than them should just get one to make it even.

Clippersfan86
07-20-2014, 10:09 PM
Bledsoe is better on both ends and numbers back me up.

SILVER SEAVER
07-20-2014, 10:29 PM
Bledsoe is better on both ends and numbers back me up.

Then if he's better then teams would be offering him Parson's money...... no? The fact that he and Phoenix who had him are world's apart should tell you something. I think they know what he's worth more than you and I. Phoenix was ready to go in with two max contracts for LeBron and Melo so if they believed they had a top ten player already on their roster they would have offered even a little bit more than their initial offer to Bledsoe even if they wanted to exhibit a poker face.

SILVER SEAVER
07-20-2014, 10:39 PM
Did you read my post? Parsons and Hayward both got max offers. Bledsoe is better than both and not by a small margin.

Check the numbers again and show me where Bledsoe is better than Parsons by not a small margin. They are almost identical and that's with Parsons being the third option on the Rockets and in Phoenix it was Dragic 1a and Bledsoe 1b....... they shared the backcourt and played well off each other.

Jeffy25
07-20-2014, 10:53 PM
Agents know they have leverage over teams who have trouble getting big name free agents.

Its a joke how some of these slightly above average players make the same as the games best players.

That's what a salary cap will get you

JWO35
07-21-2014, 09:18 AM
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beasted86
07-21-2014, 09:45 AM
491087452434874368

Bledsoe12+, Jennings 8+, Meeks 6+... expensive, mediocre back court

Clippersfan86
07-21-2014, 01:12 PM
Check the numbers again and show me where Bledsoe is better than Parsons by not a small margin. They are almost identical and that's with Parsons being the third option on the Rockets and in Phoenix it was Dragic 1a and Bledsoe 1b....... they shared the backcourt and played well off each other.

Do you know that defense matters? Parsons is a poor defender, Bledsoe is one of the best in the league. Offensively Bledsoe is only slightly better on offense than Parsons and MASSIVELY better on defense. When it comes to Hayward, Bledsoe is better on both ends by a fair margin.

SILVER SEAVER
07-22-2014, 01:49 AM
Do you know that defense matters? Parsons is a poor defender, Bledsoe is one of the best in the league. Offensively Bledsoe is only slightly better on offense than Parsons and MASSIVELY better on defense. When it comes to Hayward, Bledsoe is better on both ends by a fair margin.

I believe in defense. My favorite player all-time is Scottie Pippen who was arguably the best defender in the modern era so I get where you are coming from but this is an offensive point guard driven league so where you make a strong point that defense should matter it's also why Cuban snagged up Parsons based strictly on his offense. Defense is not a priority to GM's as much as it should be so we do agree in that principle.

SILVER SEAVER
07-22-2014, 01:51 AM
Bledsoe12+, Jennings 8+, Meeks 6+... expensive, mediocre back court

Stan Van the Man changing the culture in Detroit so long as he keeps Drummond.

Clippersfan86
07-22-2014, 02:01 AM
I believe in defense. My favorite player all-time is Scottie Pippen who was arguably the best defender in the modern era so I get where you are coming from but this is an offensive point guard driven league so where you make a strong point that defense should matter it's also why Cuban snagged up Parsons based strictly on his offense. Defense is not a priority to GM's as much as it should be so we do agree in that principle.

I'm all for this POV man. You have every right to disagree of course. Just saying Bledsoe may be a little better than you think is all. My favorite all time player is Gary Payton, so I too love defense. I agree that in this league PG defense is hardly a huge deal, although Bledsoe really disrupts offenses significantly, far more than most PG's, due to his 6'8 wingspan and crazy speed. So impact wise he may be an exception. I think the main reason to contest this contract should be the knee surgeries though.

2-ONE-5
07-22-2014, 12:13 PM
Did you read my post? Parsons and Hayward both got max offers. Bledsoe is better than both and not by a small margin.

thats debatable but none are worth the max at the moment but Bledsoe plays in a much deeper position giving him less leverage

ManRam
07-22-2014, 12:22 PM
Give me Bledsoe over Monroe if I'm the Pistons in a heartbeat.

SILVER SEAVER
07-22-2014, 06:01 PM
And the team that will lose their minds and give him max money is..........the Los Angeles Lakers desperate to make a serious splash after a disappointing offseason. So basically he will be the draw piece after Kobe retires to get players to come there. I don't know man.....that's a lot of money for a guy with not so great knees at a young age.

Clippersfan86
07-22-2014, 06:03 PM
thats debatable but none are worth the max at the moment but Bledsoe plays in a much deeper position giving him less leverage

I agree he plays for a deeper position and as others said has iffy knees. That alone makes him worth less than max. I think the Phoenix offer of 12-13 mill a year is about right. When I say he should get max it's not because I value him there, just saying that if guys like Parsons/Hayward get it, so will he. It's not debatable though as to who's the better/more talented/higher upside player. Parsons has a case on offense but is a horrid defender and Hayward is much worse on both ends.

SILVER SEAVER
07-22-2014, 06:11 PM
Is Jordan just screwing with Utah or what? He signs Jefferson away from them last year and to avoid losing another popular player gets Utah to overpay for Hayward after he put out some crazy offer sheet. I think this is revenge for the deliberate food poisoning he had there in 1997 LOL