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JNA17
07-09-2014, 11:39 AM
Some of you if not most of you might remember that in 2010 when Lebron announced he would join the Heat, there was a sign and trade to make it happen. Most people (myself included) pretty much scuffed at this kind of deal. At first glance, it just looked like an out of pity deal (for a lack of a better term) for the Cavs.

The deal was this:


MIAMI GETS:

LeBron James, who signs a 6-year, $110 million contract

CLEVELAND GETS:

Two first-round picks, that must be used starting in 2013 and ending by 2017
2012 second-round pick Miami received from New Orleans
Future second-round pick Heat acquired from Oklahoma City
Cleveland can also swap first round picks with the Heat in 2012
A large trade exception($15 million or so) that the Cavs must use in trades for one calendar year.

http://www.sbnation.com/2010/7/10/1563131/lebron-james-sign-and-trade-miami-heat-cleveland-cavs-terms

Most of what the Cavs get is fluff as stated before, but in the bolded is where everything comes in full circle.

Lebron leaves the Cavs to sign with the Heat and tries to acquire as many titles or accomplishments as he possibly can, while the Cavs tank it up for the next four years to acquire as many young talent and assets as they can so that Lebron comes back to a team with a better roster than before.

However, the huge twist in all of this is that in the end, if Lebron really does go back to the Cavs, Bosh goes to Houston, and Wade does...well no one cares about his used goods anymore now do we? Heat goes back to being a lottery team, but a lottery team with NO FIRST ROUND PICKS for the next two years that will instead belong to the Cavs. Even if Lebron and the Cavs don't win next year, they get the next hotshot from College to help them win now and the future.

It's so dirty when I keep thinking about it and it sorta makes me think that this whole thing was planned between the Cavs and Lebron. Like they knew Lebron wasn't going to leave the team forever and that he would come back. And the biggest steal in all of this was that damn sign and trade so that not only the Heat would be left with nothing in players, they would be left nothing in assets too...

Such Evil, Much Genius, wow...

d00d
07-09-2014, 11:41 AM
if the Heat will be left where you think they will be, then the universe has been restored to order

-Kobe24-TJ19-
07-09-2014, 11:41 AM
no.

they could have still won with lebron in those 4 years...or signed another max guy

d00d
07-09-2014, 11:43 AM
no.

they could have still won with lebron in those 4 years...or signed another max guy

we all know they would not have won anything

JNA17
07-09-2014, 11:44 AM
no.

they could have still won with lebron in those 4 years...or signed another max guy

It was already proven that no star free agent in their right mind would sign in a place like Cleveland even with Lebron there (case and point, Amare and Bosh), that was never going to change. So in order for a team like the Cavs to get truly get better was to get talent from the draft.

Plus at the time, Cavs weren't winning anything and they were over the cap at the time, even when Lebron left to Miami because they had big contracts like Varejao.

utl768
07-09-2014, 11:47 AM
lebron isnt going back to cleveland so its a non issue

ManRam
07-09-2014, 11:50 AM
Well yeah. Those picks might be decent. In addition to the trade itself, the problem with his time in Cleveland is that they got too good too quick. They won 35 games his first year and that landed them the 10th pick, but they flubbed that (look at OKC/SEA with KD for example). After that, they never had a decent pick again. That problem, compounded with their inability to get anyone in FA, really hurt them. They couldn't get good talent there.

By him leaving the team bottomed out and got high draft picks and tons of cap space, something that never happened when he was there. If he returns he and Cleveland reap those rewards.

ATX
07-09-2014, 11:52 AM
Chickens before they hatch...

bleedprple&gold
07-09-2014, 11:53 AM
Most of what the Cavs get is fluff as stated before, but in the bolded is where everything comes in full circle.

However, the huge twist in all of this is that in the end, if Lebron really does go back to the Cavs, Bosh goes to Houston, and Wade does...well no one cares about his used goods anymore now do we? Heat goes back to being a lottery team, but a lottery team with NO FIRST ROUND PICKS for the next two years that will instead belong to the Cavs. Even if Lebron and the Cavs don't win next year, they get the next hotshot from College to help them win now and the future.



Didn't Miami already relinquish one of those picks in the 2013 draft? You can't give up picks two years in row which is why Miami kept their pick this year. Miami only owes one more pick in 2015 (top-10 protected) which may not have to give up that year because Miami will probably be the worst team in the league if Lebron leaves (along with Bosh).

Vinylman
07-09-2014, 12:06 PM
pretty sure Miami only has one of those picks left to give

rocket
07-09-2014, 12:15 PM
lebron isnt going back to cleveland so its a non issue

right Cleveland just enjoys trading players for nothing

Fmaranesi
07-09-2014, 12:52 PM
good job. good effort.

The Heat are only in debt for one 1st round draft pick , the other was used in 2013.
It's also top-10 protected for the next two years.
SO the Cavs have to hope for the Heat to get a worse pick than top 10 to take their pick or wait until 2017 when the pick is unprotected and hope the Heat are still in the lottery.

utl768
07-09-2014, 02:00 PM
right Cleveland just enjoys trading players for nothing

its a waste of time if lebron is serious about winning championships

its all posturing by cleveland to say they tried and then make him a bigger villain

THE MTL
07-09-2014, 02:38 PM
Um the heat won two championships with 4 straight finals appearances. There is no such thing as a steal.

SILVER SEAVER
07-09-2014, 03:54 PM
I think it's 70/30 he goes back to Cleveland right now. Something is going on behind the scenes in Cleveland. That cap space that Cleveland just made for themselves gives me every indication that they feel like they have LeBron back. He wouldn't do this to Cleveland two times in four years. Depending on whether they pull off a trade for Love which would probably cost them either Wiggins, Waiters or both they still have LeBron with Kyrie and that young group which would flourish with LeBron there. That's a future worth waiting for than riding it out with Wade in Miami. And also there will be no way Melo can leave over 30 million on table with the franchise who has wanted to be with from day one. He's going back to the Knicks so they will have him to draw free agents over the next two years. Bosh would be a fool to leave 88-90 million in Houston and LeBron would be foolish to not go back to Cleveland where in two years they will be a true contender for years to come. All things must come to an end and Miami's run is over. If he was seriously going back he would have done it by now. They are going to leave Bosh with no offer on the table so he'd have no choice but to sign with Houston and entice Melo to play with LeBron in Miami. The fact that it's taking this long for Bosh is that I believe in his heart he really does wants to stay in Miami and play with his buds and sacrifice money to do so but I don't think they want him back but don't want to look like the jerks who turned him away and showed him the door.

rhd420
07-09-2014, 03:55 PM
Um the heat won two championships with 4 straight finals appearances. There is no such thing as a steal.

^ this pretty much said it all
Man, you saw the fans BURN his jersey when he left .... but hey that's home right?
He better get partial ownership of the Cavs if he does ... there is something Pat Riley can't offer

Ty Fast
07-09-2014, 04:45 PM
A steal for the Heat. 2 chips, 4 east titles, 2 mvp's, and a 27 game win streak for late draft picks. Heat done good :)

SILVER SEAVER
07-09-2014, 05:14 PM
A steal for the Heat. 2 chips, 4 east titles, 2 mvp's, and a 27 game win streak for late draft picks. Heat done good :)

We'd all be creaming our boxers if our teams had that type of four year run.

Jamiecballer
07-09-2014, 05:21 PM
If it was planned Lebron didn't count on their incompetence drafting but you could be totally right.

Teufelshunde4
07-09-2014, 05:36 PM
It would be a great story for James to go home... Id love to hear the cries of despair from bandwagon Heat fans LOL

Epic

ChicagoRox
07-09-2014, 06:01 PM
If Lebron goes back to the CAVS, he is even smarter because he got all those fans so mad that they burned their jerseys in 2010. Now in 2014, they will all buy new jerseys. $$$$$$$


^ this pretty much said it all
Man, you saw the fans BURN his jersey when he left .... but hey that's home right?
He better get partial ownership of the Cavs if he does ... there is something Pat Riley can't offer

NBA_Starter
07-09-2014, 06:02 PM
It looks like the Cavs sure came out smelling like roses.

majmarcus
07-09-2014, 06:13 PM
It looks like the Cavs sure came out smelling like roses.

So, booboo...right? Because roses actually smells of booboo

slashsnake
07-10-2014, 11:25 AM
hard to call it a steal when the Heat get 4 straight finals appearances and the Cavs get 4 straight lottery ones. Ticket sales have dropped big time the past 4 years, team value has fallen off in comparison to other teams. They lost a lot more than they will have gained by not having lebron the past 4 years.

They got a trade exception, which I am not sure how that helped.

They got a first round swap which was a joke (Cle had the #1 pick, Miami the #29 I believe). That ranks up there with Jason Collins' bonus if he wins league MVP as most useless contract stipulation in the league.

Some 2nd round picks which were assets Miami wasn't going to use (rather have vet role players than try at developing 2nd round talent with their roster spots).

They got Kasarev, Luke Walton, and Kapono when all was said and done with one of those first round picks. None who made any difference.

So the only possible difference maker they will be getting is a protected top 10 pick from Miami. I would call Lebron for 4 years worth that. Easily.