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beasted86
07-06-2014, 12:02 PM
The words we have from them before this all started? That information doesnít seem to matter right now, not when cracks and mystery can be perceived, and we can fill the holes where the nonexistent information would go with anonymous hypotheticals that are less boring and intriguing than the three players just returning to Miami as planned. Facts? On-the-record information? Ehhhh, whatever. Sports are just the soap operas males are comfortable admitting they watch. Cue the dramatic music, and letís go out in search of the sexy and sinister, even if we donít have proof.

So it doesnít matter that Heat owner Micky Arison put the chances of retaining the Big 3 at ď100 percent.Ē Doesn't matter that Chris Bosh said publicly again and again that heíd play in Miami, and only Miami, for a discount. Doesnít matter that they, you know, put their names on that. Doesnít even matter that Dwyane Wade opted out of $42 million guaranteed dollars he wasnít going to get elsewhere as confirmation that heís working to help the team create flexibility, and Udonis Haslem again risked millions out of loyalty to Miami for the same reason.

All that matters now is what LeBron James hasnít said because thatís where we can invent the cracks ó even if it means James would kind of be betraying the people who did these things with and for him, and won championships (plural) doing them with and for him before.

Rest of the article: http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/07/06/4220626/dan-lebatard-resolution-for-the.html

Very good read. Its focused on the Miami coverage, but applies to all teams. The media seems to hold more weight than the actual player's and team's own words.

ink
07-06-2014, 12:15 PM
The hype and hysteria makes sense though because players have been known to betray their fan base in recent years. Like it or not 2010 set a low water mark. Who believes anything a team or a free agent says any more?

The solution is obvious. Stop giving a damn about free agent hype and start demanding better basketball. The Spurs proved you don't need big free agents to dominate.

beasted86
07-06-2014, 12:22 PM
The hype and hysteria makes sense though because players have been known to betray their fan base in recent years. Like it or not 2010 set a low water mark. Who believes anything a team or a free agent says any more?

The solution is obvious. Stop giving a damn about free agent hype and start demanding better basketball. The Spurs proved you don't need big free agents to dominate.

So, which is a more feasible situation for teams to duplicate:

A) Make smart cap manuevers and attempt to sign quality free agents when available
B) Hire a HOF Head coach AND get 3 all-stars to take anywhere from $3M-$8M below their market value.

I think this is far more obvious

ink
07-06-2014, 12:32 PM
The hype and hysteria makes sense though because players have been known to betray their fan base in recent years. Like it or not 2010 set a low water mark. Who believes anything a team or a free agent says any more?

The solution is obvious. Stop giving a damn about free agent hype and start demanding better basketball. The Spurs proved you don't need big free agents to dominate.

So, which is a more feasible situation for teams to duplicate:

A) Make smart cap manuevers and attempt to sign quality free agents when available
B) Hire a HOF Head coach AND get 3 all-stars to take anywhere from $3M-$8M below their market value.

I think this is far more obvious

Neither actually.

Point is we don't need to obsess about Melo or Lebron or any other sports figure. tbh I think a lot of the hype is driven by kids who are new to the sport and only know the stars' names.

beasted86
07-06-2014, 12:48 PM
Neither actually.

Point is we don't need to obsess about Melo or Lebron or any other sports figure. tbh I think a lot of the hype is driven by kids who are new to the sport and only know the stars' names.

Well I don't know what league you've been watching, but this is a star's league where one player can easily have more impact than multiple players at the same combined salary. At the end of the day its all about cost:value ratio, and that even sometimes goes beyond the player's ability to improve your team, but also improve your market share.

ink
07-06-2014, 12:53 PM
Neither actually.

Point is we don't need to obsess about Melo or Lebron or any other sports figure. tbh I think a lot of the hype is driven by kids who are new to the sport and only know the stars' names.

Well I don't know what league you've been watching, but this is a star's league where one player can easily have more impact than multiple players at the same combined salary. At the end of the day its all about cost:value ratio, and that even sometimes goes beyond the player's ability to improve your team, but also improve your market share.

If you say so.

At least for one championship every few years for a decade and a half, the Spurs have proven that to be BS.

But if you insist on buying into the NBA star gibberish, don't complain about the gossip and speculation that goes with it.

beasted86
07-06-2014, 01:38 PM
If you say so.

At least for one championship every few years for a decade and a half, the Spurs have proven that to be BS.

But if you insist on buying into the NBA star gibberish, don't complain about the gossip and speculation that goes with it.

What are you talking about? They have the best cost:value ratio. Duncan at $10M is probably a top 3 ratio in the league. How Manu played last season, and in the Finals also highly exceeds $7.5M value. As I said, I have no clue what league you've been watching.

Chronz
07-06-2014, 01:42 PM
Spurs pay their big-3 less than Kobe Bryant. Thats a pretty big advantage

KNICKS R BACK
07-06-2014, 01:52 PM
no kidding

scissors
07-06-2014, 01:55 PM
What are you talking about? They have the best cost:value ratio. Duncan at $10M is probably a top 3 ratio in the league. How Manu played last season, and in the Finals also highly exceeds $7.5M value. As I said, I have no clue what league you've been watching.

While this is all true. How likely is it that Manu would have played so well for other teams? Doesn't the way the Spurs operate get some credit for this? Ball movement and team oriented play makes players exceed their talent level.

ink
07-06-2014, 02:00 PM
What are you talking about? They have the best cost:value ratio. Duncan at $10M is probably a top 3 ratio in the league. How Manu played last season, and in the Finals also highly exceeds $7.5M value.

What's that got to do with the complaints about gossip and soap opera plot lines you started the thread with? You guys are so deep into this you can't stop talking about it even while complaining about it. lol.

Just for once it would be great if people talked about the game. What do we get in this forum, maybe 5 threads a year that are actually about basketball? The rest of the time it's soap opera threads about Melo and Lebron and Wade or player comparison thread fighting over who is the frigging GOAT or why do people hate player X more than player Y.

You started a promising thread about the soap opera we're enduring right now but feed the soap opera by buying into the soap opera thinking about money. It's like a film stars fight where people say how much they hate the paparazzi but at the same time want to see the candid and revealing photos of the stars.

Let's talk basketball, not gossip about money.

To address your point about cost: value, I guess you could see the world that way but you'd be missing out on the fact that money is secondary to the players in a winning culture like the Spurs have. They're not prioritizing money like other teams and their fans are, they're prioritizing getting better, solidifying their team, improving through mistakes rather than buying their way out of them. Not seeing that is missing the entire point of their organization's success. They beat the Heat by NOT playing their buy-a-team game. It can be done and it's better basketball. I don't want to turn this into a Spurs thread, just answering your point about cost: value. People probably gossip about that crap because it's harder to talk about the actual game.

Again, don't complain about soap operas and gossip if you're feeding it.

ink
07-06-2014, 02:04 PM
While this is all true. How likely is it that Manu would have played so well for other teams? Doesn't the way the Spurs operate get some credit for this? Ball movement and team oriented play makes players exceed their talent level.

Aristotle ó 'The whole is greater than the sum of its parts.'

beasted86
07-06-2014, 02:35 PM
While this is all true. How likely is it that Manu would have played so well for other teams? Doesn't the way the Spurs operate get some credit for this? Ball movement and team oriented play makes players exceed their talent level.

While that may be true, it makes no point in regards to the derailed topic that ink is trying to start here.

Duncan was a free agent, signed for way less than the value he could get elsewhere. Manu was a free agent and although he was coming off an injury season, signed for less than his current value. If every team could get their players to sign for below their value, we might not even need the "free agency" hysteria to begin with. Teams would build through the draft and never overpay,and then you could have Westbrook, Durant, Harden, and Jeff Green all on the same team and never hit the luxury tax ever. So

Nikeman
07-06-2014, 02:43 PM
While some of their reports are true regarding rumors and speculation, the purpose of the media is to keep us interested.

If Free Agency is dull and boring with no "leaks or rumors", none of us would pay any attention. The media does its job well of keeping interest in whats going on with teams in the off-season and free agency, and I am sure that many stories are made up just to garner views, likes and publicity.

ink
07-06-2014, 03:20 PM
While this is all true. How likely is it that Manu would have played so well for other teams? Doesn't the way the Spurs operate get some credit for this? Ball movement and team oriented play makes players exceed their talent level.

While that may be true, it makes no point in regards to the derailed topic that ink is trying to start here.

Duncan was a free agent, signed for way less than the value he could get elsewhere. Manu was a free agent and although he was coming off an injury season, signed for less than his current value. If every team could get their players to sign for below their value, we might not even need the "free agency" hysteria to begin with. Teams would build through the draft and never overpay,and then you could have Westbrook, Durant, Harden, and Jeff Green all on the same team and never hit the luxury tax ever. So

Read the article you just posted. It's mocking the media-fueled FA soap opera, rumour and gossip. That's the NBA you seem to support so why complain about it? The gossip goes with the shallow star-based territory.

Sssmush
07-06-2014, 03:34 PM
Lebron not talking is making you hysterical.

Vinylman
07-06-2014, 03:35 PM
Nope... its not the medias fault ... its The league offices fault for not enforcing the collusion portion of the CBA...

Massive penalties to Miami when the big 3 originally formed would have prevented a lot of this.

In addition the moratorium is the dumbest idea ever and at a minimum is 3-4 days to long...

Chronz
07-06-2014, 03:39 PM
While this is all true. How likely is it that Manu would have played so well for other teams? Doesn't the way the Spurs operate get some credit for this? Ball movement and team oriented play makes players exceed their talent level.

Right because Manu hasn't proven himself outside of the Spurs recent system. Not sure what it matters anyways, speculative on both ends. I give Manu more credit than you.

scissors
07-06-2014, 03:45 PM
While that may be true, it makes no point in regards to the derailed topic that ink is trying to start here.

Duncan was a free agent, signed for way less than the value he could get elsewhere. Manu was a free agent and although he was coming off an injury season, signed for less than his current value. If every team could get their players to sign for below their value, we might not even need the "free agency" hysteria to begin with. Teams would build through the draft and never overpay,and then you could have Westbrook, Durant, Harden, and Jeff Green all on the same team and never hit the luxury tax ever. So

Agreed. However, you can also make the argument that SA has created a culture which players enjoy so much that they are willing to stay a part of it at the cost of extra money. Its not just Duncan, as you mentioned Manu as well. Other players throughout the last decade have taken less to play there as well. If you sign and draft players that you know fit into this character on purpose that's good business. I'm not saying its easy, but lets not punt all of SA success to luck. Lucky to get the right guys time and time again? No. It is designed that way.

east fb knicks
07-06-2014, 03:56 PM
lmao it's the medias job to lie and put out false rumors for shock value it's pretty much how espn makes all of their money and Stephen a smith is the worst I can't wait to hear what his sources say when melo stays he's been saying melo is leaving all year and he said we had a trade for rondo or lma last year what a fkn clown :facepalm:

NBA_Starter
07-06-2014, 04:52 PM
I love this time of year.

Dade County
07-06-2014, 05:46 PM
15min in length
http://wqam.com/2014/07/06/mike-wallace-21/


Wallace talks about the HEAT big 3 & Melo (Melo at the 9:40mark - 11:49mark).


Quiet Storm

TheMightyHumph
07-06-2014, 05:48 PM
Rest of the article: http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/07/06/4220626/dan-lebatard-resolution-for-the.html

Very good read. Its focused on the Miami coverage, but applies to all teams. The media seems to hold more weight than the actual player's and team's own words.

If that were the worst thing the media created, this would be a much better world.

Crackadalic
07-06-2014, 07:04 PM
Lol thats how the media in general especially in the US is. Brain wash everyone instead of what's actually important to talk about in this case basketball.

FOXHOUND
07-06-2014, 07:20 PM
So we aren't going to talk about the fact that Duncan has been a star player for almost two decades now? That Parker has been a star for about a decade? That Ginobili was a star for a few years? That Kawhi is going to become a star as soon as next season?

FOXHOUND
07-06-2014, 07:21 PM
Right because Manu hasn't proven himself outside of the Spurs recent system. Not sure what it matters anyways, speculative on both ends. I give Manu more credit than you.

I think Manu has proven enough in his international career to show that he's legit.

scissors
07-06-2014, 07:32 PM
So we aren't going to talk about the fact that Duncan has been a star player for almost two decades now? That Parker has been a star for about a decade? That Ginobili was a star for a few years? That Kawhi is going to become a star as soon as next season?

All within the Spurs incredibly development system. Go back and look at Parker and Ginobili when they entered the league. The were barely starter material. People were pissed that the Spurs kept Kawhi instead of George Hill. Give the Spurs a little credit for their ability to choose character guys and develop them. They aren't just getting lucky over and over and over again.

FOXHOUND
07-06-2014, 07:43 PM
All within the Spurs incredibly development system. Go back and look at Parker and Ginobili when they entered the league. The were barely starter material. People were pissed that the Spurs kept Kawhi instead of George Hill. Give the Spurs a little credit for their ability to choose character guys and develop them. They aren't just getting lucky over and over and over again.

I don't mean that as a slight to the Spurs, just the opposite actually. I mean that in using the Spurs as an example of how it's not a star's league, but that couldn't be further from the truth. Every single title team of the last 30+ years had star players. If someone wants to make that case they probably don't want to use a team that's been led by a top 10 player of all time for almost two decades.

NBA_Starter
07-06-2014, 08:11 PM
Blame the media

scissors
07-06-2014, 08:27 PM
I don't mean that as a slight to the Spurs, just the opposite actually. I mean that in using the Spurs as an example of how it's not a star's league, but that couldn't be further from the truth. Every single title team of the last 30+ years had star players. If someone wants to make that case they probably don't want to use a team that's been led by a top 10 player of all time for almost two decades.

Got it. We are talking about two totally different things.

NBA_Starter
07-06-2014, 08:54 PM
I am confused.

ccugrad1
07-06-2014, 10:04 PM
The thing with the NBA is if you can get two "stars" on the same team you can go from a nothing to a serious contender in one year. If Carmelo signed with the Lakers and you added him to Kobe, Nash, and Randle, the Lakers would go right back to being a threat in the Western Conference.

Dade County
07-06-2014, 10:07 PM
The thing with the NBA is if you can get two "stars" on the same team you can go from a nothing to a serious contender in one year. If Carmelo signed with the Lakers and you added him to Kobe, Nash, and Randle, the Lakers would go right back to being a threat in the Western Conference.

A regular season threat yes, but not a postseason threat.

goingfor28
07-07-2014, 12:15 AM
Wow. What a not great read.

goingfor28
07-07-2014, 12:16 AM
15min in length
http://wqam.com/2014/07/06/mike-wallace-21/


Wallace talks about the HEAT big 3 & Melo (Melo at the 9:40mark - 11:49mark).


Quiet Storm
Heat or HEAT?

Crackadalic
07-07-2014, 06:12 AM
The thing with the NBA is if you can get two "stars" on the same team you can go from a nothing to a serious contender in one year. If Carmelo signed with the Lakers and you added him to Kobe, Nash, and Randle, the Lakers would go right back to being a threat in the Western Conference.

40 Year old Nash/36 year old Kobe off a big injury/Melo 30 still in his prime/Randle a rookie is not better then the top 8 that made the playoffs this year. 9th and 10th can't beat those guys. The west is too tough