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JordansBulls
07-03-2014, 11:25 PM
http://blacksportsonline.com/home/2014/07/knicks-offered-melo-max-deal-5-years-129-million/



#Knicks have offered Carmelo Anthony a max deal worth $129 million over 5 years. Lakers have offered him $96 million over four years.


So they are offering him 26 million a year? WTF???

GodsSon
07-03-2014, 11:27 PM
The Knicks are on the verge of becoming the new Los Angeles Clippers (pre-Blake/CP3).

bucketss
07-03-2014, 11:28 PM
dumb bulls wow

omdigga
07-03-2014, 11:29 PM
good... the knicks made a nice gesture... now melo takes less and looks like a hero... everybody wins.

Aust
07-03-2014, 11:29 PM
:dance:

GiantsSwaGG
07-03-2014, 11:31 PM
Hey bulls fans, you can have him!

DarkKnight
07-03-2014, 11:38 PM
Hey bulls fans, you can have him!

And his old Jordan's too

DR_1
07-03-2014, 11:39 PM
dumb bulls wow

Wait what did the Bulls do dumb here lol

GiantsSwaGG
07-03-2014, 11:40 PM
Wait what did the Bulls do dumb here lol

Put a banner of Carmelo in front of the arena. You can have him and his played out jordans too

THE MTL
07-03-2014, 11:41 PM
#smokescreen

THE MTL
07-03-2014, 11:46 PM
Phil Jackson is playing the damn game lol

ThunderousDemon
07-03-2014, 11:46 PM
Damn, that's seems like way too much, hope he takes the deal though.

ILLUSIONIST^248
07-03-2014, 11:49 PM
Lol wow, huge mistake. Say goodbye to any chance you have at a championship for another 5 years ny.

cheetos185
07-03-2014, 11:49 PM
Damn, that's seems like way too much, hope he takes the deal though.
Really after what meeks and other scrubs got paid.

RipCity32
07-03-2014, 11:49 PM
Lol, So stupid of the Knicks

GiantsSwaGG
07-03-2014, 11:50 PM
Lol, So stupid of the Knicks

:laugh: we're taking a page out of your book

Blitzace137
07-04-2014, 12:06 AM
:laugh: we're taking a page out of your book

lmao

ChI_ShIzzLe
07-04-2014, 12:13 AM
Didn't think Phil would have the balls to do it. Can't blame him, letting your star player walk your first year as the shot-caller wouldn't sit well with the fans and media.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
07-04-2014, 12:24 AM
Phil Jackson is playing the damn game lol

:confused:

mdm692
07-04-2014, 12:25 AM
:laugh: we're taking a page out of your book
A page? The Knicks wrote the entire book. 1 succesful year with Carmelo, which ended in a 2nd round exit in the EAST, doesn't erase all the horrible decisions made over the last decade.

DillyDill
07-04-2014, 12:30 AM
Melo for sure staying in NY no way in hell u turn down 130 mill. I don't care who u are

Max.This
07-04-2014, 12:35 AM
he said he would be willing to take a paycut, and now hes on the cusp of taking the max. Gotta say... it looks kinda bad for him in the public eye, but who cares really when you got that extra 40 mil.

scissors
07-04-2014, 12:38 AM
Lol

IndyRealist
07-04-2014, 01:20 AM
Really after what meeks and other scrubs got paid.

Unless I've already built a contender and have Melo's Bird rights, I'd rather have Meeks at $6M/yr than Melo at $23M/yr. He kills your ability to do anything else with your roster.

D1JM
07-04-2014, 01:30 AM
http://blacksportsonline.com/home/2014/07/knicks-offered-melo-max-deal-5-years-129-million/



So they are offering him 26 million a year? WTF???
HCA always wins

bucketss
07-04-2014, 01:52 AM
Wait what did the Bulls do dumb here lol

wtf could have sworn this thread said bulls not knicks. well im high lol

Dade County
07-04-2014, 01:59 AM
wtf could have sworn this thread said bulls not knicks. well im high lol

lmao

NYRaiderLove
07-04-2014, 02:01 AM
A page? The Knicks wrote the entire book. 1 succesful year with Carmelo, which ended in a 2nd round exit in the EAST, doesn't erase all the horrible decisions made over the last decade.

Yeah that second round exit you're trying to point out came against the Heat. I forgot how many eastern conference teams have defeated them in the playoffs the last 4 years.

IversonIsKrazy
07-04-2014, 02:18 AM
Yea, all of a sudden I don't see Melo leaving. Guess BUlls should start looking at plan B

IDunknown
07-04-2014, 02:23 AM
Yeah that second round exit you're trying to point out came against the Heat. I forgot how many eastern conference teams have defeated them in the playoffs the last 4 years.

:confused:It was the Pacers

shep33
07-04-2014, 02:31 AM
Please accept

phen0m
07-04-2014, 03:33 AM
hmm.. what if Melo wants to go to the Bulls but only if they can sign and trade for him to get him more $. (I think the Bulls can only offer around 4/75 mil without a s&t.) The Knicks know this and are trying to create more leverage over the Bulls by putting it out there that they will sign him for super-max even though they don't intend to. Basically kind of panicking and forcing Bulls FO to give up more in a S&T.

Phenom1
07-04-2014, 03:37 AM
How the heck do you turn that down!

Kashmir13579
07-04-2014, 03:41 AM
good... the knicks made a nice gesture... now melo takes less and looks like a hero... everybody wins. this is what I'm hoping, but It's Melo..

Kashmir13579
07-04-2014, 03:44 AM
Phil Jackson is playing the damn game lol i feel you bro

PraiseJesus
07-04-2014, 04:05 AM
step 1

setting the table for LeBron to join the Knicks next year

Whoever get Melo gets LeBron

Its the Knicks

meloman1592
07-04-2014, 05:04 AM
this is what I'm hoping, but It's Melo..

What does that mean? I'm willing to make a bet that he settles for less than the max by at least 10 million

astonmartin10
07-04-2014, 05:15 AM
Wow that contract is just stupid.

The Knicks are back! Thomas era version 2.0

Redrum187
07-04-2014, 05:19 AM
This is good for Carmelo Anthony's bank account obviously... not good if he has any interest in winning championships. The Knicks are making an incredibly bad move here, but it is really hard to fault them for this. They are in a lose-lose situation at the moment. The lesser evil, S&T him for something promising (and no, I don't mean Carlos Boozer or Taj Gibson/Jimmy Butler)... God bless the Knicks in the future... :|

flclfanman
07-04-2014, 05:55 AM
If Melo wants a shot at a ring, he goes to Chicago or Houston, if he wants to get paid and enjoy where he's at, he goes to the Knicks.

If he wants to mind**** us, he'll go to Atlanta or Phoenix :laugh2:

Not that hard.

YoungOne
07-04-2014, 06:10 AM
damn he will be 35 by the end of that deal lol

PraiseJesus
07-04-2014, 06:24 AM
Triangle offense and Phil Jackson will extend LeBrons career as well.

In my mind LeBron has already chosen the Knicks

There is an outside chance he goes to CAVS

Crackadalic
07-04-2014, 06:31 AM
We still have room for a max player and he's second year is projected at around 24 million on top of the growing trend of the cap space going up so your looking at 22-24 in available cap space. Trading jr and Pablo at a combine 8 million leaves 29 million and even shump qo can be let go

Jose/Larkin/early/thjr/melo/1st rounder and 22-30 available cap space for a max or quality starters

Of course it's better to take less but it's not the end of the world for the knicks if he accepts

PurpleLynch
07-04-2014, 06:47 AM
Oh my goodness. 26 millions a year? Ahah,Kobe,you're a novice.

effen5
07-04-2014, 07:30 AM
As much as I want him on the bulls....no way for that amount.

This reminds me of joe Johnson.....I remember bulls wanted him and the hawks offered him his ridiculous contract.

Jetsguy
07-04-2014, 07:38 AM
Only a matter of time before he rejoins the knicks and sucks again. Its getting to weird around here with all these other teams fans fawning over him.

Vinny642
07-04-2014, 07:41 AM
I wouldnt've offered him that but hey, Im not a GM

FOXHOUND
07-04-2014, 07:59 AM
We still have room for a max player and he's second year is projected at around 24 million on top of the growing trend of the cap space going up so your looking at 22-24 in available cap space. Trading jr and Pablo at a combine 8 million leaves 29 million and even shump qo can be let go

Jose/Larkin/early/thjr/melo/1st rounder and 22-30 available cap space for a max or quality starters

Of course it's better to take less but it's not the end of the world for the knicks if he accepts

Yes, this is what I was going to post.

I'll also add that if Melo can somehow convince Pau to play in NY like he was apparently trying to yesterday then that will balance out his deal. Paying Melo $22M this year and $24M next year? A little steep. Paying Melo/Pau $27M this year and $31M next year, assuming Phil will have to shed a little salary to offer Pau the full MLE? Not bad at all, I'll take Melo for $19M and Pau for $12M ;) lol

ChitownSports16
07-04-2014, 08:50 AM
He's gonna chase the money which will make him a hypocrite. If doesn't sign with Bulls I do hope he stays in NY for that much to kill that franchise even more.

DR_1
07-04-2014, 09:17 AM
wtf could have sworn this thread said bulls not knicks. well im high lol

:laugh:

waveycrockett
07-04-2014, 09:22 AM
The Knicks are going to be horrible next year even with him so it's all good but I fully expect him to be back in NY.

Max.This
07-04-2014, 09:24 AM
The Knicks are going to be horrible next year even with him so it's all good but I fully expect him to be back in NY.

Atleast we'll have a first round draft pick this time

Teeboy1487
07-04-2014, 09:51 AM
Don't be a lemon Melo, take the 129 mil.

FOXHOUND
07-04-2014, 09:54 AM
The Knicks are going to be horrible next year even with him so it's all good but I fully expect him to be back in NY.

I wouldn't be so sure of that, depending on what else Phil can do. There wasn't that much difference between the 54 win team and the 37 win team roster wise, it was more a mental issue and Woodson's lack of ability to adjust more than anything. Not saying they'll win 50 games, but 45+ isn't out of the question nor is a playoff spot in that garbage conference.

Even last year, when they were able to focus after Phil got hired, they went on a 12-3 run and 16-5 overall to end the season. The talent was there, it was lack of focus/frustration/coaching/leadership that did them in.

GiantsSwaGG
07-04-2014, 10:22 AM
Don't be a lemon Melo, take the 129 mil.

Or go to LA and but with the GOAT, it's a no brainer. LA

Big2win
07-04-2014, 10:36 AM
I think some of you guys don't understand the process. I work in the Legal Department of a labor union and this is a negotiation based on terms of a collective bargaining agreement. I negotiate and defend CBAs for a living. Ill try to explain a few things:

1. Offering Melo the max is a formality. It is the only leverage the Knicks have and they used it like every team that has a max player before. CBA gives the current team an extra year, thus more money. Because he is offered the max does not mean he has to take it, it means that if another team offers a max (like lakers) Knicks will still be able to offer almost 30 million more. Bulls can only offer 64 million in 4 years, the Knicks offer is twice that amount. It doesn't kill them moving forward. Think about it like this, If you work for a company under a contract for 4 years and you made 70K a year, when the contract expires, how would it look to offer you 50k to come back? But if they said I'll offer you 90K, but you are gonna work harder because we can't get you help or we will pay you 80k but give you less work and more vacation time when the other contracts expire next year. What would you do? Leave for another company with a lot of unknowns or stay?

2. The Knicks will still be able to get better next summer. Once Melo resigns, they will have Stoudemire who is signed to a max deal on his final year, when this year is over his 20+ million goes off the books. Same with Bargnani, his 15 million comes off too. Next year you have over 30 million to get free agents. If Melo takes 100 Million for 5 years in this negotiations (still larger than lakers offer) he leaves even more money to get another star and solid bench players.

The knicks can start to make moves at worst next summer as early as after Melo re signs and start moving the expiring contracts.

Max.This
07-04-2014, 10:42 AM
He's gonna chase the money which will make him a hypocrite. If doesn't sign with Bulls I do hope he stays in NY for that much to kill that franchise even more.

if bulls amnesty boozer and trade dunleavy they will be 13 mil under the cap. Especially with mirotic coming over. I dont see how anyone can take that huge of a paycut no matter what your championship aspirations are

Max.This
07-04-2014, 10:47 AM
its really all about leverage here. Noone in their right mind is going to leave 50 mil on the table to join another team and phil knows that. The chicago bulls know that now, which is why they are bringing mirotic from europe because they feel that 1. Their pursuit of melo is over, 2. They are collecting assets to prepare a sign and trade. It looks like phil is offering the max because he is scared of losing melo, but this is just apart of the free agent game.

HYFR
07-04-2014, 10:47 AM
He's gonna chase the money which will make him a hypocrite. If doesn't sign with Bulls I do hope he stays in NY for that much to kill that franchise even more.

And here come the posts I've been waiting for from bulls fans. As soon as melo signs with the Knicks, he's a bum again lol

Max.This
07-04-2014, 10:48 AM
And here come the posts I've been waiting for from bulls fans. As soon as melo signs with the Knicks, he's a bum again lol

I think he means money wise not melo's talent, but he won't be the last to say stuff like that

HYFR
07-04-2014, 10:54 AM
And here come the posts I've been waiting for from bulls fans. As soon as melo signs with the Knicks, he's a bum again lol

I think he means money wise not melo's talent, but he won't be the last to say stuff like that

Just a dumb comment. Melo signing wouldn't be killing anything. The franchise is moving forward with or without melo.

cheetos185
07-04-2014, 10:55 AM
Chicago is really cheap asking Melo to take 60mil paycut so much for the owner willing to spend.

meloman1592
07-04-2014, 10:58 AM
He's gonna chase the money which will make him a hypocrite. If doesn't sign with Bulls I do hope he stays in NY for that much to kill that franchise even more.

Lol because he would be smart for taking 4 years 64 over 5 129. You would do that too right?

DarkKnight
07-04-2014, 11:22 AM
Chicago is really cheap asking Melo to take 60mil paycut so much for the owner willing to spend.

He's not cheap he's big boned

DarkKnight
07-04-2014, 11:23 AM
Lol because he would be smart for taking 4 years 64 over 5 129. You would do that too right?

I love when ppl talk like they'd do that lmao!!!!

FOXHOUND
07-04-2014, 11:26 AM
$60M gamble on Derrick Rose's knees? Yeah, don't blame him for passing on Chicago if he does lol.

waveycrockett
07-04-2014, 11:30 AM
I wouldn't be so sure of that, depending on what else Phil can do. There wasn't that much difference between the 54 win team and the 37 win team roster wise, it was more a mental issue and Woodson's lack of ability to adjust more than anything. Not saying they'll win 50 games, but 45+ isn't out of the question nor is a playoff spot in that garbage conference.

Even last year, when they were able to focus after Phil got hired, they went on a 12-3 run and 16-5 overall to end the season. The talent was there, it was lack of focus/frustration/coaching/leadership that did them in.

The major difference between the 54 win team and the 37 win team was Tyson Chandler and Raymond Felton. Chandler was a monster on defense and on the glass and Felton played like a capable starter when the won 54 games. Now their interior defense is going to be swiss cheese without Tyson.

nycericanguy
07-04-2014, 11:34 AM
The major difference between the 54 win team and the 37 win team was Tyson Chandler and Raymond Felton. Chandler was a monster on defense and on the glass and Felton played like a capable starter when the won 54 games. Now their interior defense is going to be swiss cheese without Tyson.

He was? I could have sworn he missed 16 games and NY went 13-3 in those games. And Felton was trash. Calderon is a massive upgrade.

waveycrockett
07-04-2014, 11:35 AM
He was? I could have sworn he missed 16 games and NY went 13-3 in those games. And Felton was trash. Calderon is a massive upgrade.

Reading comprehension is key. I was talking about the 2012/13 Knicks vs the 2013/14 Knicks bruh

FYL_McVeezy
07-04-2014, 11:46 AM
"Without a doubt,'' Anthony said Friday while in New Orleans for All-Star Weekend. "Any opportunity I have to build that up in New York, I'd do it. I told people all the time, always say, 'If it takes me taking a pay cut, I'll be the first one on [Knicks owner] Mr. [James] Dolan's steps saying take my money and let's build something strong over here.'"

If Melo comes back home, he's taking at least 10mil less....otherwise he's a liar.

InRoseWeTrust
07-04-2014, 11:48 AM
I love when ppl talk like they'd do that lmao!!!!

Yeah, I'm taking the 129 pretty much every time.

cheetos185
07-04-2014, 11:48 AM
Reading comprehension is key. I was talking about the 2012/13 Knicks vs the 2013/14 Knicks bruh
Knicks won 54 because of Kidd, Knicks shooting insane from 3pt land and Jr playing out of his mind.

DarkKnight
07-04-2014, 11:50 AM
Yeah, I'm taking the 129 pretty much every time.

Agreed it makes me laugh, I'm taking the casholla

DarkKnight
07-04-2014, 11:51 AM
Knicks won 54 because of Kidd, Knicks shooting insane from 3pt land and Jr playing out of his mind.

Spot on

lamzoka
07-04-2014, 11:51 AM
Lol, So stupid of the Knicks

This is coming from a piston's fan :facepalm:

Josh Smith and B. Jennings (enough said)

FYL_McVeezy
07-04-2014, 11:54 AM
I think some of you guys don't understand the process. I work in the Legal Department of a labor union and this is a negotiation based on terms of a collective bargaining agreement. I negotiate and defend CBAs for a living. Ill try to explain a few things:

1. Offering Melo the max is a formality. It is the only leverage the Knicks have and they used it like every team that has a max player before. CBA gives the current team an extra year, thus more money. Because he is offered the max does not mean he has to take it, it means that if another team offers a max (like lakers) Knicks will still be able to offer almost 30 million more. Bulls can only offer 64 million in 4 years, the Knicks offer is twice that amount. It doesn't kill them moving forward. Think about it like this, If you work for a company under a contract for 4 years and you made 70K a year, when the contract expires, how would it look to offer you 50k to come back? But if they said I'll offer you 90K, but you are gonna work harder because we can't get you help or we will pay you 80k but give you less work and more vacation time when the other contracts expire next year. What would you do? Leave for another company with a lot of unknowns or stay?

2. The Knicks will still be able to get better next summer. Once Melo resigns, they will have Stoudemire who is signed to a max deal on his final year, when this year is over his 20+ million goes off the books. Same with Bargnani, his 15 million comes off too. Next year you have over 30 million to get free agents. If Melo takes 100 Million for 5 years in this negotiations (still larger than lakers offer) he leaves even more money to get another star and solid bench players.

The knicks can start to make moves at worst next summer as early as after Melo re signs and start moving the expiring contracts.

Shhhhhh...you're ruining the haters agenda....

If Melo comes back for less I'm looking forward to seeing what slander the NBA forum comes up with...

waveycrockett
07-04-2014, 11:55 AM
Knicks won 54 because of Kidd, Knicks shooting insane from 3pt land and Jr playing out of his mind.
Your telling me a washed up Kidd was worth 17 wins? I'm not sure even at his MVP levels you could say that.

nycericanguy
07-04-2014, 11:57 AM
Reading comprehension is key. I was talking about the 2012/13 Knicks vs the 2013/14 Knicks bruh

Yes you should try it... Chandler missed 16 games in 12/13 and they went 13-3.

Felton was trash in 13, trash in 14... he's always been trash...

nycericanguy
07-04-2014, 11:58 AM
Your telling me a washed up Kidd was worth 17 wins? I'm not sure even at his MVP levels you could say that.

alot of things went wrong last year for NY... but they were 36 games over .500 aside from last year in the Melo era.

But they did miss a HIGH IQ leader... how many games did NY literally GIVE away in the last 2 minutes last year? I've never seen a team give away so many wins. they could easily have won 45 games last year

FYL_McVeezy
07-04-2014, 12:00 PM
Your telling me a washed up Kidd was worth 17 wins? I'm not sure even at his MVP levels you could say that.

You don't watch the Knicks on the regular, you just come here to bash them so what would you know? That's like me telling you what the Nets need to do to fix themselves...

Kidd's 3pt shooting early on, and his intangibles on the court were a huge part of why we won 54 games that year. The ball flowed way better. Chandler started to play *****made by then(taking plays off, missing games because of a cold) and Felton was better that season, but not 20+ games better....

cheetos185
07-04-2014, 12:01 PM
Your telling me a washed up Kidd was worth 17 wins? I'm not sure even at his MVP levels you could say that.
Washed up Kidd was the leader and coach of the team.

meloman1592
07-04-2014, 12:06 PM
Shhhhhh...you're ruining the haters agenda....

If Melo comes back for less I'm looking forward to seeing what slander the NBA forum comes up with...

Can't wait

waveycrockett
07-04-2014, 01:32 PM
Yes you should try it... Chandler missed 16 games in 12/13 and they went 13-3.

Felton was trash in 13, trash in 14... he's always been trash...
Oh yea Chandler was trash he just wont DPOY and 2nd team all Defense. Ho-hum. And Felton was beyond horrid this year compared to last unless you were blind. He was the worst starting PG by far this year,

Hawkamania
07-04-2014, 01:39 PM
I think some of you guys don't understand the process. I work in the Legal Department of a labor union and this is a negotiation based on terms of a collective bargaining agreement. I negotiate and defend CBAs for a living. Ill try to explain a few things:

1. Offering Melo the max is a formality. It is the only leverage the Knicks have and they used it like every team that has a max player before. CBA gives the current team an extra year, thus more money. Because he is offered the max does not mean he has to take it, it means that if another team offers a max (like lakers) Knicks will still be able to offer almost 30 million more. Bulls can only offer 64 million in 4 years, the Knicks offer is twice that amount. It doesn't kill them moving forward. Think about it like this, If you work for a company under a contract for 4 years and you made 70K a year, when the contract expires, how would it look to offer you 50k to come back? But if they said I'll offer you 90K, but you are gonna work harder because we can't get you help or we will pay you 80k but give you less work and more vacation time when the other contracts expire next year. What would you do? Leave for another company with a lot of unknowns or stay?

2. The Knicks will still be able to get better next summer. Once Melo resigns, they will have Stoudemire who is signed to a max deal on his final year, when this year is over his 20+ million goes off the books. Same with Bargnani, his 15 million comes off too. Next year you have over 30 million to get free agents. If Melo takes 100 Million for 5 years in this negotiations (still larger than lakers offer) he leaves even more money to get another star and solid bench players.

The knicks can start to make moves at worst next summer as early as after Melo re signs and start moving the expiring contracts.

Very informative post and I agree with your points. Particularly #2 as I think many forget how much money the Knicks will have coming off the books after this season to give Melo the additional help he desires in order to contend for a championship.

FOXHOUND
07-04-2014, 01:59 PM
Calderon will replace Kidd's impact from the 2012/13 season and more. Kidd's intangibles were great, but he only actually played good for the first couple of months. After that he couldn't hit anything and steadily declined, he was ready to retire he was done. The biggest difference between 2012/13 was the PG play. Went from bad to the worst and it cost them several close games.

Losing Chandler will hurt on defense but he's lost a step anyways and was killing chemistry on both ends of the court. The D won't peak as high but it might be able to maintain a better average through better chemistry and a defensive system that fits the roster better. Woodson tried to be way too cute on defense, led to way too many open looks from 3 and at the rim.

lvlheaded
07-04-2014, 02:04 PM
Listen, I don't know what Melo is gonna do. I have maintained throughout this entire process that there is no team out of it until the ink dries. But let's be real:

Chicago and Dallas, without a S&T can offer 4 yrs 70 mil. That's 60 million less than what the Knicks can offer, about 20 mil less than Houston, and about 26 mil less than the Lakers. Immediately that puts them at a disadvantage.

Melo said he'd be willing to take "less" to win. Taking almost 50% less? That's a HUGE sum. I don't think anyone would take a 50% paycut willingly from their job when they can get more from someone else.

Does that mean he's not going to Chicago or Dallas? No. It's very possible Melo is willing to do that. But to expect him too and then call him "greedy" if he doesn't is hypocritical. I'm sure everyone on this forum would take the extra 60 mil, or 20-26 mil, every time and twice on sundays

c.c.
07-04-2014, 02:21 PM
I guess Morey will be calling Chris Bosh phone trying to lure him back to Texas

waveycrockett
07-04-2014, 02:32 PM
Calderon will replace Kidd's impact from the 2012/13 season and more. Kidd's intangibles were great, but he only actually played good for the first couple of months. After that he couldn't hit anything and steadily declined, he was ready to retire he was done. The biggest difference between 2012/13 was the PG play. Went from bad to the worst and it cost them several close games.

Losing Chandler will hurt on defense but he's lost a step anyways and was killing chemistry on both ends of the court. The D won't peak as high but it might be able to maintain a better average through better chemistry and a defensive system that fits the roster better. Woodson tried to be way too cute on defense, led to way too many open looks from 3 and at the rim.

The Knicks are going to be a bottom 3 team defensively. They have no defenders. I'm not even trying to troll. Chandler fell off from his DPOY form but he was still far and away the best interior defender the Knicks had last year. It's gong to be ugly.

Dade County
07-04-2014, 03:31 PM
Alex Kennedy @AlexKennedyNBA about 19 minutes ago
After meeting with Phil Jackson, Carmelo Anthony is "largely aligned" with Phil's vision, per @Adrian Wojnarowski: basketballinsiders.com/2014-nba-free-

Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz36WuYYIux

...

PraiseJesus
07-04-2014, 03:38 PM
...

My prediction is holding fast!

Aust
07-04-2014, 03:40 PM
Good.

DR_1
07-04-2014, 03:46 PM
I don't get why people have THIS much faith in Phil's exec. abilities - he literally is a noob at it who only has a couple months of experience.

PraiseJesus
07-04-2014, 03:47 PM
I don't get why people have THIS much faith in Phil's exec. abilities - he literally is a noob at it who only has a couple months of experience.

Phil Jackson might be the greatest basketball mind in history

GiantsSwaGG
07-04-2014, 03:49 PM
Phil Jackson might be the greatest basketball mind in history

I believe in you and your predictions

PraiseJesus
07-04-2014, 03:55 PM
I believe in you and your predictions

I'm never wrong

Crackadalic
07-04-2014, 04:00 PM
Oh yea Chandler was trash he just wont DPOY and 2nd team all Defense. Ho-hum. And Felton was beyond horrid this year compared to last unless you were blind. He was the worst starting PG by far this year,

He won DOY in 2011-2012. After that his defense fell off hard. 18th in def rating during our 54 win campaign and 24th in def rating. Fact of the matter is our defense has gotten worse and Tyson can't stay healthy for more then 50 games. I rather have a slight downgrade at the center spot we better center rotation players and a massive upgrade at point guard plus young depth on the bench

Also Kidd was the coach on the floor that year. Woodson pretty much had no clue what he was doing half the time

xxplayerxx23
07-04-2014, 04:00 PM
I believe in you and your predictions

This x10000000 :laugh2:

Enzo
07-04-2014, 04:01 PM
I'm never wrong

:worthy: You're like the Nostradamus of the PSD forum!

DR_1
07-04-2014, 04:06 PM
Phil Jackson might be the greatest basketball mind in history

From a coaching standpoint.

Nycbball08
07-04-2014, 04:09 PM
The Knicks are going to be a bottom 3 team defensively. They have no defenders. I'm not even trying to troll. Chandler fell off from his DPOY form but he was still far and away the best interior defender the Knicks had last year. It's gong to be ugly.

Why don't you wait for the finish product of the PJ era to hit the hardwood before being so judge mental... Troll

FYL_McVeezy
07-04-2014, 04:13 PM
From a coaching standpoint.

As you will see over the next couple of years, his knowledge (of Basketball and being around the BUSINESS for so long) translates to the FO as well......

FYL_McVeezy
07-04-2014, 04:14 PM
Why don't you wait for the finish product of the PJ era to hit the hardwood before being so judge mental... Troll

Don't worry about him, his team is in purgatory till the end of the decade.

SILVER SEAVER
07-04-2014, 04:16 PM
Lady Gaga has nothing on Phil's poker face. How do you go from asking the guy to take a paycut and we are holding Melo to his word to here is 129 million? Phil can't build a team from the ground up. He can harness the already established talent but as for drafting and building a team from scratch he can't. That's why they are throwing the bank at Melo and putting calls into Gasol. Phil will stay as long as Melo is there and if he they land Gasol. The minute those guys are gone, Phil will be gone.

SILVER SEAVER
07-04-2014, 04:21 PM
As a Bulls fan, I don't want Melo. Too much for one guy who hasn't done crap in the playoffs when he's gotten there. I'll take my chances with bringing over Mirotic, the drafting of McBuckets, getting back a healthy Rose and Noah, with Gibson and Butler. If they can somehow persuade Gasol to go there for about 10 million per over 2 I'd be happy. Sign Thomas from Sac as insurance for Rose and give it your best shot. That's a high 50 or low 60 win team and a contender to knock Miami off their East crown. Not to mention the space they get for the amnesty of Boozer which is about 15 I believe.

Aust
07-04-2014, 04:23 PM
As a Bulls fan, I don't want Melo. Too much for one guy who hasn't done crap in the playoffs when he's gotten there. I'll take my chances with bringing over Mirotic, the drafting of McBuckets, getting back a healthy Rose and Noah, with Gibson and Butler. If they can somehow persuade Gasol to go there for about 10 million per over 2 I'd be happy. Sign Thomas from Sac as insurance for Rose and give it your best shot. That's a high 50 or low 60 win team and a contender to knock Miami off their East crown.

If I were a Bulls fan I would be happy with that.

Nycbball08
07-04-2014, 04:25 PM
Lady Gaga has nothing on Phil's poker face. How do you go from asking the guy to take a paycut and we are holding Melo to his word to here is 129 million? Phil can't build a team from the ground up. He can harness the already established talent but as for drafting and building a team from scratch he can't. That's why they are throwing the bank at Melo and putting calls into Gasol. Phil will stay as long as Melo is there and if he they land Gasol. The minute those guys are gone, Phil will be gone.

If someone gotta really explain the logic in that to you then you got no business discussing basketball affairs. Where do you idiots come from?....lol

dtmagnet
07-04-2014, 04:25 PM
Yikes.

SILVER SEAVER
07-04-2014, 04:26 PM
If I were a Bulls fan I would be happy with that.

And you guys shouldn't throw 95 million at him because once Kobe is out the door he'll be a headache.

SILVER SEAVER
07-04-2014, 04:30 PM
If he resigns with Knicks or the Lakers he's not thinking longterm in the basketball sense. He's thinking about appeasing his wife's needs and becoming a bigger celebrity. He's not about winning a championship let alone multiple championships.

Nycbball08
07-04-2014, 04:31 PM
As a Bulls fan, I don't want Melo. Too much for one guy who hasn't done crap in the playoffs when he's gotten there. I'll take my chances with bringing over Mirotic, the drafting of McBuckets, getting back a healthy Rose and Noah, with Gibson and Butler. If they can somehow persuade Gasol to go there for about 10 million per over 2 I'd be happy. Sign Thomas from Sac as insurance for Rose and give it your best shot. That's a high 50 or low 60 win team and a contender to knock Miami off their East crown. Not to mention the space they get for the amnesty of Boozer which is about 15 I believe.

Haha you mad cause Melo didn't take 60mil to play for the Bulls...

yungincome
07-04-2014, 04:32 PM
If he resigns with Knicks or the Lakers he's not thinking longterm in the basketball sense. He's thinking about appeasing his wife's needs and becoming a bigger celebrity. He's not about winning a championship let alone multiple championships.

:facepalm:

GiantsSwaGG
07-04-2014, 04:39 PM
If he resigns with Knicks or the Lakers he's not thinking longterm in the basketball sense. He's thinking about appeasing his wife's needs and becoming a bigger celebrity. He's not about winning a championship let alone multiple championships.

You're right, he's better off signing with the Heat or Rockets since those are the best destinations left!

SILVER SEAVER
07-04-2014, 04:45 PM
Haha you mad cause Melo didn't take 60mil to play for the Bulls...

As God as my witness I never wanted him. I can't see the Bulls being able to pay Rose 19 million and Melo whatever he's looking for from them and still maintain the nucleus they have that works. I pray he goes back to the Knicks because it's easier to let him get his and shutdown everybody else. The Bulls are never really contenders to land a big fish. Guys find better options. If the Bulls offered him 60 million they couldn't be possibly serious about landing him. The difference between 129 and 60 is too much to leave on the table. I'm not one of those who wants a guy on my team and if he doesn't sign bash him to no end. It's just not the Bulls style to sign a marquee free agent. They'd prefer to build through the draft and add complementary pieces.

SILVER SEAVER
07-04-2014, 04:53 PM
He hasn't signed anywhere yet so how can I be mad about him not liking the Bulls offer? He very well may go there, who the Hell knows with these guys anymore. We'll know in a week to ten days.

Nycbball08
07-04-2014, 04:54 PM
You're right, he's better off signing with the Heat or Rockets since those are the best destinations left!

And how do you know what's best for Melo and his family???

GiantsSwaGG
07-04-2014, 04:55 PM
And how do you know what's best for Melo and his family???

Because I know.

SILVER SEAVER
07-04-2014, 04:59 PM
Because I know.

:laugh:

SILVER SEAVER
07-04-2014, 05:04 PM
And how do you know what's best for Melo and his family???

How does anyone know what the guy wants for his family? One minute he's all about winning and can't stand losing like this season and then somehow Phil waves his wand and poof 129 million takes away the pain of another wasted season in '14-'15? Does he seem all about winning to you? I'd venture to guess a whole lot of Knicks fans won't exactly will be rejoicing if he signs for a max deal in New York.

beasted86
07-04-2014, 05:40 PM
The Knicks are back!

beasted86
07-04-2014, 06:00 PM
But this puts serious pressure on the Bulls.

His agent will be like GTFOH with that $16M offer.

InRoseWeTrust
07-04-2014, 06:05 PM
That "16m offer" didn't happen. They didn't discuss financial specifics in the meeting - just said they'd make it work if he gave them a verbal.

ChitownSports16
07-04-2014, 09:18 PM
But this puts serious pressure on the Bulls.

His agent will be like GTFOH with that $16M offer.

Pressure? Sike. Again, Bulls will still be a playoff team with or without Melo. And for the 100th time bulls never made an offer.

Aust
07-04-2014, 09:38 PM
Pressure? Sike. Again, Bulls will still be a playoff team with or without Melo. And for the 100th time bulls never made an offer.

Being a playoff team in the East isn't exactly saying much.

ChitownSports16
07-04-2014, 09:59 PM
Being a playoff team in the East isn't exactly saying much.

Sure it does... It tell us how bad the Knicks really are. 😉

Aust
07-04-2014, 10:03 PM
Sure it does... It tell us how bad the Knicks really are. 😉

:laugh2:

HYFR
07-04-2014, 10:04 PM
Being a playoff team in the East isn't exactly saying much.

Sure it does... It tell us how bad the Knicks really are. 

Lol why are u ragging on the Knicks record when it has nothing to do with the topic.. Grow up

NBA_Starter
07-04-2014, 10:27 PM
It is all about the money.

NYKNYGNYY
07-04-2014, 10:32 PM
I think j.a Adande said that maybe by the end of the weekend we'll know....

If he stays great we can build around him he may have to take the L for this upcoming season but once amare and bargs(stupidest decision I've even seen, yes worse then eddy curry) we'll have plenty of cash to throw around

Love the Tyson trade think we could it gotten more but we got 2 young prices that I think Larkin will pan out...being that I've seen Tyson play every time in a Knicks jersey he hasn't done much since is DPOY year he's just been injured and a quitter the quitter part could be cus we were ****

NBA_Starter
07-04-2014, 10:54 PM
I think he already has an idea where he is going but it is smart to take your time.

sammyvine
07-05-2014, 06:32 AM
If he stays its clearly because of the money because there are much better teams he can go to and try and win a ring.
The Bulls have a better chance than the Knicks winning longterm even without Rose being a superstar again. Thibs coaching, and the decent pieces they have are better than what the Knicks can offer.

xxplayerxx23
07-05-2014, 08:46 AM
I think j.a Adande said that maybe by the end of the weekend we'll know....

If he stays great we can build around him he may have to take the L for this upcoming season but once amare and bargs(stupidest decision I've even seen, yes worse then eddy curry) we'll have plenty of cash to throw around

Love the Tyson trade think we could it gotten more but we got 2 young prices that I think Larkin will pan out...being that I've seen Tyson play every time in a Knicks jersey he hasn't done much since is DPOY year he's just been injured and a quitter the quitter part could be cus we were ****

Please amare was the one that got any relevancy back to ny, curry did nothing near that.

Mr. Baller
07-05-2014, 08:57 AM
Please amare was the one that got any relevancy back to ny, curry did nothing near that.

reading is your friend. Talked about bargs not amare

FOXHOUND
07-05-2014, 11:43 AM
I think j.a Adande said that maybe by the end of the weekend we'll know....

If he stays great we can build around him he may have to take the L for this upcoming season but once amare and bargs(stupidest decision I've even seen, yes worse then eddy curry) we'll have plenty of cash to throw around

Love the Tyson trade think we could it gotten more but we got 2 young prices that I think Larkin will pan out...being that I've seen Tyson play every time in a Knicks jersey he hasn't done much since is DPOY year he's just been injured and a quitter the quitter part could be cus we were ****

The whole point of trading Bargs was to dump Novak and clear extra cap space for 2015 FA. Not having that $3.7M from Novak will actually allow for the Knicks to offer LeBron a max deal next offseason (if he does this 2-year deal with PO short deal thing and is a FA that is) even IF Melo takes the max contract. Not to say that will happen or is even a realistic scenario at this point, just using that as an example. It also allowed for this Tyson trade to happen, cause otherwise we could not have eaten Calderon's deal and kept a good amount of cap space.

They traded the 2016 first round pick to do this. That pick already has a swap option on it, and obviously if the plan is to built up in 2015 FA then the pick won't be that high anyways.

BigCityofDreams
07-05-2014, 11:48 AM
Phil Jackson is playing the damn game lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gY2wtmcADo

*spits out water*

d00d
07-05-2014, 11:51 AM
the Knicks could complete this idiocy by hiring Thomas as HC again

BigCityofDreams
07-05-2014, 11:53 AM
I think offering Melo that amount of money is crazy though. I can't see Phil doing that unless he's drunk.

waveycrockett
07-05-2014, 12:08 PM
Im not a Knicks fan. And Carmelo is certainly overrated when compared to the Likes of LeBron and Durant but the bottom line is he definitely worthy of a max deal. Any top-15 NBA player is. The rest of their team might be a steaming heap of hot garbage but you can't say Melo isn't worth $130 MM when you look at the rest of the NBA landscape.

BklynKnicks3
07-05-2014, 12:31 PM
The max offer is a gesture he will sign for about 110-115

LA_Raiders
07-05-2014, 12:44 PM
He Will take it and **** the nyk for years to come.

Aust
07-05-2014, 12:55 PM
The max offer is a gesture he will sign for about 110-115

How do you know this?

-Kobe24-TJ19-
07-05-2014, 01:32 PM
How do you know this?

he has his "sources"

http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showthread.php?864005-I-got-inside-info-on-melo

cmellofan15
07-05-2014, 04:27 PM
Phil getting Melo back would be a true feat. Seeing teams like Houston and Chicago making offers with much better rosters and situations should be very tempting for Melo.

Aust
07-05-2014, 05:16 PM
Phil getting Melo back would be a true feat. Seeing teams like Houston and Chicago making offers with much better rosters and situations should be very tempting for Melo.

WAYYY more money is also very tempting lol

chi-townlove1
07-05-2014, 05:24 PM
@blvckdvddy: “@DoctorNBA: Carmelo Anthony is expected to resign with the Knicks in the next 48 hours... $129,000,000 / 5 seasons” QUE BASURA

@NBAInsiderInc: Knicks are feeling very positive that Carmelo Anthony will re-sign

@Mr_Woghiren: Smart choice RT@TheNBACentral: ESPN: Carmelo Anthony is expected to accept the Knicks 5 year deal to him within the next 48 hours.


@NBAReporters: Carmelo Anthony is expected to resign with the Knicks in the next 48 hours... $129,000,000 / 5 seasons

-Kobe24-TJ19-
07-05-2014, 05:43 PM
my god that contract

lvlheaded
07-05-2014, 05:48 PM
I wish he would take 5 yrs 116. 5yrs 129 is crippling

d00d
07-05-2014, 05:49 PM
**** the Knicks, hated them since the 90's and laughed at all their losses. Now we all get to laugh at them for years to come. that is an albatross they will regret

FraziersKnicks
07-05-2014, 05:56 PM
Chicago fans maaaaad

Pakman
07-05-2014, 05:59 PM
Chicago fans definitely mad. Most of em truly believed he would sign with them. I feel bad for them just a lil.

chi-townlove1
07-05-2014, 06:01 PM
I can whole heartedly say, I never had more than an ounce of faith in him coming to Chicago. Nor did I think he would be in Miami, unlike those delusional fans believed. Not for a second did I believe Carmelo was passing up ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY NINE MILLION DOLLARS to play somewhere else. He's just not that kind of guy.

d00d
07-05-2014, 06:03 PM
Chicago fans definitely mad. Most of em truly believed he would sign with them. I feel bad for them just a lil.

bulls are the red headed step child of the NBA, noone wants them. but the Knicks were a comedy to watch in the 90's. 1993 ECF anyone?

DR_1
07-05-2014, 06:07 PM
As you will see over the next couple of years, his knowledge (of Basketball and being around the BUSINESS for so long) translates to the FO as well......

You have no proof of that. I would have rather gone with someone from for example the Spurs organization. GM'ing, coaching, and playing are all completely differennt. For example, I love Thibs, but would I want him GM'ing the Bulls? No way, because he'd just stack the roster with defensive players most likely.

WestsideWalt
07-05-2014, 06:08 PM
Chicago fans definitely mad. Most of em truly believed he would sign with them. I feel bad for them just a lil.

Can you be mad at him. I'm not turning that down. And if I don't get a ring the extra millions will ease the pain.

d00d
07-05-2014, 06:11 PM
Can you be mad at him. I'm not turning that down. And if I don't get a ring the extra millions will ease the pain.

you expect to win a ring with Derrick Rose in the same conference? :injury:

FYL_McVeezy
07-05-2014, 06:11 PM
You have no proof of that. I would have rather gone with someone from for example the Spurs organization. GM'ing, coaching, and playing are all completely differennt. For example, I love Thibs, but would I want him GM'ing the Bulls? No way, because he'd just stack the roster with defensive players most likely.

Please don't compare Thibs to PJax.....and I'm a fan of Thibs.....

Aust
07-05-2014, 06:13 PM
Please don't compare Thibs to PJax.....and I'm a fan of Thibs.....

He's never done this before. Don't proclaim him a God until he's actually proven something.

Enzo
07-05-2014, 06:14 PM
Some of you Bulls fans are just pure haters. Grow up! Be proud of your team and all they've accomplished over the years and quit your whining. I almost want you guys to get Melo, just so I can watch all of you do a complete 180.

likemystylez
07-05-2014, 06:15 PM
Can you be mad at him. I'm not turning that down. And if I don't get a ring the extra millions will ease the pain.

Well this is what doesnt make any sense- Melo knew all along that NY could offer him the most money. Thats not like new information. Im just wondering what about the knicks has changed in the last 7-10 days that makes it definitely the place he wants to be.

I mean it isnt like the knicks signed lebron james over the last week- melo would be going back to the same pile of crap that couldnt get into the playoffs in the east last year.

With the bulls- he would have a chance to contend. He could play with Noah, Rose and they may even trade for kevin love if the twolves decide to stop screwing around with golden state. Its kind of a no brainer isnt it- if winning means ANYTHING to you.

FYL_McVeezy
07-05-2014, 06:16 PM
He's never done this before. Don't proclaim him a God until he's actually proven something.

Who called him a God? Those are your words not mine. I'm just optimistic that he will do a fine job given his intelligence and experience around the game of basketball. Nothing wrong with that.

Could I be wrong? Of course I'm human. Comparing him to a god is coming from you guys putting words in my mouth...per the usual on this forum

likemystylez
07-05-2014, 06:17 PM
Please don't compare Thibs to PJax.....and I'm a fan of Thibs.....

one thing about pjax- he has never been succesful without a dominant team. LOL his first chance with the knicks this yr in a historically weak eastern conference- he didnt even get them into the playoffs

d00d
07-05-2014, 06:18 PM
Well this is what doesnt make any sense- Melo knew all along that NY could offer him the most money. Thats not like new information. Im just wondering what about the knicks has changed in the last 7-10 days that makes it definitely the place he wants to be.

I mean it isnt like the knicks signed lebron james over the last week- melo would be going back to the same pile of crap that couldnt get into the playoffs in the east last year.

With the bulls- he would have a chance to contend. He could play with Noah, Rose and they may even trade for kevin love if the twolves decide to stop screwing around with golden state. Its kind of a no brainer isnt it- if winning means ANYTHING to you.

Rose? play with Rose? What the **** does that mean? 2 knee injuries and a few games under his belt in 2 years. Noone wants to play with the guy.

DR_1
07-05-2014, 06:18 PM
Please don't compare Thibs to PJax.....and I'm a fan of Thibs.....

I'm not comparing their resumes, I was just using Thibs as an example. FWIW I like PJ as well, and hope he does well in NY. I just think people are getting prematurely excited because of his coaching resume, when that's not what he was hired to do, and he has no experience in the area they hired him in.

This is, of course, just my opinion. Again, I hope he does well, I really like Phil for his passion, intensity, coaching genius, and for what he brought to the Bulls in the 90s. I just think we all need to wait and see before getting all crazy for his executive abilities.

FYL_McVeezy
07-05-2014, 06:21 PM
I'm not comparing their resumes, I was just using Thibs as an example. FWIW I like PJ as well, and hope he does well in NY. I just think people are getting prematurely excited because of his coaching resume, when that's not what he was hired to do, and he has no experience in the area they hired him in.

This is, of course, just my opinion. Again, I hope he does well, I really like Phil for his passion, intensity, coaching genius, and for what he brought to the Bulls in the 90s. I just think we all need to wait and see before getting all crazy for his executive abilities.

Fair enough...

As I said in the post above this I'm not proclaiming him to be some god. I'm just optimistic about his intelligence and experience translating to the FO. Could I be wrong? Of course.

shep33
07-05-2014, 06:22 PM
I can never be mad at a player who takes money offered to them.

I'd do the same. Especially for an extra 30 some odd million

Enzo
07-05-2014, 06:22 PM
one thing about pjax- he has never been succesful without a dominant team. LOL his first chance with the knicks this yr in a historically weak eastern conference- he didnt even get them into the playoffs

This just might the dumbest statement I have ever read in any forum anywhere! Can you remind us all how long PJ was President of the Knicks last season before the playoffs started? :rolleyes:

FYL_McVeezy
07-05-2014, 06:24 PM
one thing about pjax- he has never been succesful without a dominant team. LOL his first chance with the knicks this yr in a historically weak eastern conference- he didnt even get them into the playoffs

He took over in February. The season was already a lost cause. If you're gonna judge him please be fair and judge him from this offseason and beyond

likemystylez
07-05-2014, 06:28 PM
He took over in February. The season was already a lost cause. If you're gonna judge him please be fair and judge him from this offseason and beyond

1) In the east you are never that far out of the playoff picture. (if you have any interest what so ever in winning)

2) The knicks offseason hasnt been a slam dunk. Its not like theyve done much to improve their roster and become contenders. Heck- it looks like most of their effort is being used to retain their existing talent (which couldnt get them to the playoffs)

3) more to the point- has phil ever been able to turn a crappy team into a good one?

DR_1
07-05-2014, 06:29 PM
Fair enough...

As I said in the post above this I'm not proclaiming him to be some god. I'm just optimistic about his intelligence and experience translating to the FO. Could I be wrong? Of course.

:cheers:

likemystylez
07-05-2014, 06:30 PM
Rose? play with Rose? What the **** does that mean? 2 knee injuries and a few games under his belt in 2 years. Noone wants to play with the guy.

the sad part is- even with out mvp rose- the bulls are still a hands down better option than the knicks

Enzo
07-05-2014, 06:32 PM
1) In the east you are never that far out of the playoff picture. (if you have any interest what so ever in winning)

2) The knicks offseason hasnt been a slam dunk. Its not like theyve done much to improve their roster and become contenders. Heck- it looks like most of their effort is being used to retain their existing talent (which couldnt get them to the playoffs)

3) more to the point- has phil ever been able to turn a crappy team into a good one?

I can't believe you are honestly trying to justify that ridiculous post you made knocking Jackson for not getting the Knicks into the playoffs this past season. Nothing you say or post can make up for that absurd comment.

Sometimes in life when you say something stupid, you just need to swallow your pride, take a deep breath, possibly apologize for not thinking, and move on.

likemystylez
07-05-2014, 06:34 PM
I can't believe you are honestly trying to justify that ridiculous post you made knocking Jackson for not getting the Knicks into the playoffs this past season. Nothing you say or post can make up for that absurd comment.

Sometimes in life when you say something stupid, you just need to swallow your pride, take a deep breath, possibly apologize for not thinking, and move on.

dude, he played int he east. the bulls were trying to tank and they had home court advantage in the first round

Enzo
07-05-2014, 06:39 PM
dude, he played int he east. the bulls were trying to tank and they had home court advantage in the first round

He wasn't there for 95% of the season! Your blind hatred towards the Knicks is taking over your ability to reason. I honestly feel sorry for you!

FYL_McVeezy
07-05-2014, 06:43 PM
1) In the east you are never that far out of the playoff picture. (if you have any interest what so ever in winning)

2) The knicks offseason hasnt been a slam dunk. Its not like theyve done much to improve their roster and become contenders. Heck- it looks like most of their effort is being used to retain their existing talent (which couldnt get them to the playoffs)

3) more to the point- has phil ever been able to turn a crappy team into a good one?

1) you can't judge Phil on the performance of the team if Woodson was coach and he did not make any roster moves then. Judge him from now because he is starting to mold this team.


2) trading chandler who was declining for young prospects an upgrade at PG, picks and a contract dump in Felton. This was a good move anyway you slice it and we are early in the offseason.

3) Correct. But this is his opportunity to put a cap on a great career.

likemystylez
07-05-2014, 06:46 PM
He wasn't there for 95% of the season! Your blind hatred towards the Knicks is taking over your ability to reason. I honestly feel sorry for you!

I doint hate the knicks at all- although I hate people who just listen to espn and think phil jackson is some sort of a god.

NY media is kind of annoying too. The homerism is a little over the top

likemystylez
07-05-2014, 06:48 PM
1) you can't judge Phil on the performance of the team if Woodson was coach and he did not make any roster moves then. Judge him from now because he is starting to mold this team.


2) trading chandler who was declining for young prospects an upgrade at PG, picks and a contract dump in Felton. This was a good move anyway you slice it and we are early in the offseason.

3) Correct. But this is his opportunity to put a cap on a great career.

can we blame phil for screwing up on the steve kerr recruitment process? I mean kerr went to work for a team thats been the laughing stock of the league for most of the last 2 decades and one of the worst ran organizations in pro sports since trading chris webber..... over the knicks? that should be an easy sell

Enzo
07-05-2014, 06:52 PM
I doint hate the knicks at all- although I hate people who just listen to espn and think phil jackson is some sort of a god.

NY media is kind of annoying too. The homerism is a little over the top

You're just not grasping this at all are you? You said that Phil Jackson is incompetent because he couldn't get the Knicks into the playoffs, even though he was not part of the organization until the very tail end of the season and had no say in what happened the entire year. That's like blaming Obama invading Iraq because he took over after Bush already invaded. What part of this do you not comprehend?

FYL_McVeezy
07-05-2014, 06:52 PM
can we blame phil for screwing up on the steve kerr recruitment process? I mean kerr went to work for a team thats been the laughing stock of the league for most of the last 2 decades and one of the worst ran organizations in pro sports since trading chris webber..... over the knicks? that should be an easy sell

You're just fishing for something, but okay sure....he rebounded with what hopefully will be a good choice in Fish.


But you're a grade A hater just so you know.

d00d
07-05-2014, 06:53 PM
the sad part is- even with out mvp rose- the bulls are still a hands down better option than the knicks

very true.

Mrs. Melo wants the 129 million, that is all.

Enzo
07-05-2014, 06:56 PM
can we blame phil for screwing up on the steve kerr recruitment process? I mean kerr went to work for a team thats been the laughing stock of the league for most of the last 2 decades and one of the worst ran organizations in pro sports since trading chris webber..... over the knicks? that should be an easy sell

Steve Kerr chose being with his family in Cali and a hell of a lot more money, over going to the Knicks. This was the correct choice based on his family values and his finances. Not to mention, many Knick fans feel we are better of with Fisher over Kerr. You Sir are a complete hater and are making yourself look like a fool with your posts.

GIANTKNICK
07-05-2014, 07:04 PM
one thing about pjax- he has never been succesful without a dominant team. LOL his first chance with the knicks this yr in a historically weak eastern conference- he didnt even get them into the playoffs

I see what this is. People are that mad at phil for convincing Melo on stay that they are making things up. We all know Phil came in at the last quarter of the season! Stop trolling makes you look weak.

Aust
07-05-2014, 07:10 PM
Who called him a God? Those are your words not mine. I'm just optimistic that he will do a fine job given his intelligence and experience around the game of basketball. Nothing wrong with that.

Could I be wrong? Of course I'm human. Comparing him to a god is coming from you guys putting words in my mouth...per the usual on this forum

I didn't mean literally :laugh2:

Nikeman
07-05-2014, 07:12 PM
Rumor is Melo may take less than the max next season to help NYK acquire more talent and he knows this next year is going to be sort of a down year.

Link:
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.c...nicks/related/

Remember this forum a week ago?

Bulls fans thought Melo was a god and was going to their team no matter what, and Knicks fans turned their back on Anthony and said they are better off without him?

Oh how the roles have reversed

kozelkid
07-05-2014, 09:07 PM
Bulls fans thought Melo was a god and was going to their team no matter what,

What a bunch of BS. Most Bulls fans actually think it's still more likely he goes to NY. And which Bulls fan ever thought of him as a "god?"

GiantsSwaGG
07-05-2014, 09:17 PM
my god that contract

He's coming to the Lakers baby :dance:

chi-townlove1
07-05-2014, 10:01 PM
Bulls fans thought Melo was a god and was going to their team no matter what,

What a bunch of BS. Most Bulls fans actually think it's still more likely he goes to NY. And which Bulls fan ever thought of him as a "god?"


Thank you. Most bulls fans wanted him as plan B behind love. They also didn't want to dump all our bench for him nor did we want to throw a max contract his way. We also believe he's a ball stopper in a sense, but is the spark on offense that the bulls need. But nowhere did we believe he was some must have god of free agency.

east fb knicks
07-05-2014, 10:07 PM
the sad part is- even with out mvp rose- the bulls are still a hands down better option than the knicks

lmao we didn't even make the playoffs how about you worry about mia indy tor bkn and the wiz lmao imo the bulls aren't even a top 4 seed

ChitownSports16
07-05-2014, 10:14 PM
lmao we didn't even make the playoffs how about you worry about mia indy tor bkn and the wiz lmao imo the bulls aren't even a top 4 seed

The Knicks aren't top 8...

BobbyHillSwag
07-05-2014, 11:43 PM
Melo is a basketball god though:cheers:

Crunch Time
07-05-2014, 11:49 PM
David San Martin ‏@dsanmartinNBA 4s

We're Laker fans, and we're happy #staytuned pic.twitter.com/rqlpgKvc8z

effen5
07-05-2014, 11:54 PM
lmao we didn't even make the playoffs how about you worry about mia indy tor bkn and the wiz lmao imo the bulls aren't even a top 4 seed

Yet the bulls were a 4th seed last year so your opinion is wrong.

east fb knicks
07-06-2014, 12:31 AM
Yet the bulls were a 4th seed last year so your opinion is wrong.

ok the knicks were the 2 seed before that last season don't mean jack shyt now it's a new year boys and free agency has just begun:cheers:

effen5
07-06-2014, 12:32 AM
ok the knicks were the 2 seed before that last season don't mean jack shyt now it's a new year boys and free agency has just begun:cheers:

Except the bulls has never under achieved like the knicks has under thibs

east fb knicks
07-06-2014, 12:33 AM
Melo is a basketball god though:cheers:

yep:smoking:

east fb knicks
07-06-2014, 12:34 AM
Except the bulls has never under achieved like the knicks has under thibs

lmao what have you guys achieved with a healthy rose just a 2nd rd exit :laugh:

raiderfaninTX
07-06-2014, 12:38 AM
LOL at Lakers fans getting melo,

There is seriously no difference between the knicks and the lakers, they are the same exact team

except for a washed up legend and the city the teams play in. You're seriously should get use to losing out every year in the first round if you sign melo and fail to get love.

kblo247
07-06-2014, 12:55 AM
LOL at Lakers fans getting melo,

There is seriously no difference between the knicks and the lakers, they are the same exact team

except for a washed up legend and the city the teams play in. You're seriously should get use to losing out every year in the first round if you sign melo and fail to get love.
Yeah because love has made a team play. 500 ball, **** him, **** his fantasy nut huggers too

PraiseJesus
07-06-2014, 01:05 AM
I hope the Lakers miss on Melo

Cal827
07-06-2014, 01:09 AM
lmao what have you guys achieved with a healthy rose just a 2nd rd exit :laugh:

Didn't you guys only get to the second round with a fully healthy team?

FOXHOUND
07-06-2014, 01:15 AM
Didn't you guys only get to the second round with a fully healthy team?

Bulls won 62 games and were the one seed with the best record in the NBA.

:D

And no, Amare hasn't been healthy a single postseason as a Knick. Tyson was also dealing with a loss of 15 pounds from his annual spring flu so he wasn't 100% either.

DODGERS&LAKERS
07-06-2014, 01:21 AM
If anyone watched breaking bad, do you remember the dinner scene between Walt, Skylar and Jesse? I'd imagine that's the exact thing going on at Phil and Jeanies if they have Melo over for dinner.

Aust
07-06-2014, 01:36 AM
LOL at Lakers fans getting melo,

There is seriously no difference between the knicks and the lakers, they are the same exact team

except for a washed up legend and the city the teams play in. You're seriously should get use to losing out every year in the first round if you sign melo and fail to get love.

What do you mean "laker fans getting Melo"? A lot of us don't want him...

DaBUU
07-06-2014, 01:39 AM
If anyone watched breaking bad, do you remember the dinner scene between Walt, Skylar and Jesse? I'd imagine that's the exact thing going on at Phil and Jeanies if they have Melo over for dinner.

Melo nervously just keeps drinking water

east fb knicks
07-06-2014, 01:43 AM
Didn't you guys only get to the second round with a fully healthy team?
nope jr had a bum knee and melo played like a boss with a torn shoulder that was caused by that biach kg

Bulls won 62 games and were the one seed with the best record in the NBA.

:D

And no, Amare hasn't been healthy a single postseason as a Knick. Tyson was also dealing with a loss of 15 pounds from his annual spring flu so he wasn't 100% either.

im glad your so happy with just regular season awards :shrug:

FOXHOUND
07-06-2014, 01:45 AM
If anyone watched breaking bad, do you remember the dinner scene between Walt, Skylar and Jesse? I'd imagine that's the exact thing going on at Phil and Jeanies if they have Melo over for dinner.

:clap:

FOXHOUND
07-06-2014, 01:48 AM
im glad your so happy with just regular season awards :shrug:

Wut? I was agreeing with you and pointing out how the Bulls underachieved that postseason lol.

shep33
07-06-2014, 01:50 AM
Melo at 97 mill is a bad idea for the Lakers

Melo at 129 mill is an even worse idea for the Knicks

east fb knicks
07-06-2014, 01:53 AM
Wut? I was agreeing with you and pointing out how the Bulls underachieved that postseason lol.

my bad lol to many bulls trolls in here :D

FriedTofuz
07-06-2014, 02:10 AM
I like how KNick fans are rationalizing cus their team was going no where even with Melo, now that they're likely losing him they're all like " HAHA TAKE MELO, YYOU"LL STILL SUCK :laugh:" Honestly, I do not mind giving a 30 year old like Melo that kind of money because of his health history being relatively good, compared to kobe with many knee problems and just coming off major injury. I'm happy to take Melo from theknicks, the chemistry will be fine, all those " you gonna pass " jokes are silly, these guys are proffesionals and Im sure kobe and melo both know about their games and will make it work.

lakerboy
07-06-2014, 02:11 AM
Bulls won 62 games and were the one seed with the best record in the NBA.

:D

And no, Amare hasn't been healthy a single postseason as a Knick. Tyson was also dealing with a loss of 15 pounds from his annual spring flu so he wasn't 100% either.

The Bulls are so 2009.

DODGERS&LAKERS
07-06-2014, 02:12 AM
Melo nervously just keeps drinking water

Haha exactly

GiantsSwaGG
07-06-2014, 09:36 AM
Bulls won 62 games and were the one seed with the best record in the NBA.

:D

And no, Amare hasn't been healthy a single postseason as a Knick. Tyson was also dealing with a loss of 15 pounds from his annual spring flu so he wasn't 100% either.

:laugh2: that annual flu every damn postseason

chi-townlove1
07-06-2014, 09:44 AM
Honestly Knick fans are delusional. They are close to getting melo, so he's the greatest player out there. They're not close to getting melo, omg take him he'll only make your team worse. So which one is it? I typically don't even waste my time with pathetic illogical brains, but it's just so funny to see how you guys don't understand your team is pathetic either way. Everyone trying to claim the bulls are bad, take another look at the roster, the coach, the previous years. It's not that damn hard people.

Bottom line, the bulls are the best scenario for melo regardless of which way you knick or laker fans try to spin it. There's no point to trying to convince you, because if you can't see it then your head is just to full of hate and stupidity. You don't understand basketball well enough to look past your own team and admit that melo is actually a good player with plenty of flaws, just like anyone else - but that the bulls provide him the best situation to win immediately. I wish my fellow bulls fans would just stop responding to individual troll posts from any single laker or knick fan. It truly makes them seem more ridiculous each and every time they come back with a rebuttal.

FOXHOUND
07-06-2014, 10:14 AM
:laugh2: that annual flu every damn postseason

Guy has the worst immune system of any athlete ever lol.

mike_noodles
07-06-2014, 10:33 AM
As a fan of a rival Atlantic team, I hope he accepts the contract and cripples their flexibility for the whole term. I honestly feel like he is worth a little more than half that.

IDunknown
07-06-2014, 10:43 AM
nope jr had a bum knee and melo played like a boss with a torn shoulder that was caused by that biach kg


im glad your so happy with just regular season awards :shrug:

That injury happened during the last game against the Pacers in the regular season that year. It was David West that he got tangled up with.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
07-06-2014, 10:46 AM
broussard just said Melo is a lock to the Lakers

chit

GiantsSwaGG
07-06-2014, 10:50 AM
broussard just said Melo is a lock to the Lakers

chit

Don't tease me like that, link?

-Kobe24-TJ19-
07-06-2014, 11:38 AM
bspn

Sactown
07-06-2014, 11:58 AM
broussard just said Melo is a lock to the Lakers

chit
I guess that means the Lakers are out of the Melo sweepstakes..

Aust
07-06-2014, 02:40 PM
(@streetztalk) ‏@JeffJSays 2h

"What if I told you the best anonymous source to have, was yourself" ESPN #30for30: Sources: The Chris Broussard Story

lol

SILVER SEAVER
07-06-2014, 03:00 PM
Chris "Crystal Ball" Broussard pulling daisies out of his butt again. It's one thing for an average run of the mill fan to go on forums like this and give opinions of what they think might happen it's another thing entirely to have a journalist go on a major network or tweet something from a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy who was engaged to his best friend's sister and ends up having no validity. It's all for shock value. They are being paid to come up with something so to meet their daily deadline they spew gossip. Until I see "BREAKING NEWS" on the bottom of a sports ticker saying so and so got traded or signed a deal all things Broussard and people like him say means nothing at all.

SLY WILLIAMS
07-06-2014, 03:07 PM
I was talking to my friend who has lived and died with the Knicks for 45 years. He made me laugh with this analogy. He said being a Knicks fan right now feels like being a battered boyfriend. He knows Melo is talking to other guys, doesnt have any real loyalty to him and is openly looking for a better boyfriend but he still wants him back, lol.

HYFR
07-06-2014, 03:08 PM
(@streetztalk) ‏@JeffJSays 2h

"What if I told you the best anonymous source to have, was yourself" ESPN #30for30: Sources: The Chris Broussard Story

lol

Hilarious! lol

Rockice_8
07-07-2014, 01:29 PM
We still have room for a max player and he's second year is projected at around 24 million on top of the growing trend of the cap space going up so your looking at 22-24 in available cap space. Trading jr and Pablo at a combine 8 million leaves 29 million and even shump qo can be let go

Jose/Larkin/early/thjr/melo/1st rounder and 22-30 available cap space for a max or quality starters

Of course it's better to take less but it's not the end of the world for the knicks if he accepts


Your numbers are off. How are you getting 20-30M in cap space. What are you expecting the cap to be next year? It's at what 59M now give or take? Lets say it's 60M a nice even number to work with.

Melo - 24M
Jose - 7.5M
Shump - 3.8M (can be cut but I think he's worth the money)
JR - 6.4M
Pablo - 1.7M
Larkin - 1.7M
THJ - 1.3M
Early - 1M (estimated)
next years 1st - 1.2M (estimated)
cap holds (3) - 1.5M

That's 48.8M and you still need to add more pieces this year (which might not all be 1 year deals). Anything you add for more than 1 year will cut into that. So yeah they will probably have more like between 11 and 12 depending on the salary cap (60M is my estimate). Trading all those guys for nothing isn't easy to do so I wouldn't just say you can clear JR, Pablo and shump for nothing.

All this max space talk is a lot easier said than done. Plus it looks like a weak class anyway with only guys like Love and M. Gasol as the only big targets.

It's not looking promising in NY if Melo takes the max. A team with zero size now is not doing anything in the East let alone making the finals. The Knicks second best player is one of JR, Shump or THJ. Knicks would be better off if he left probably.

rhd420
07-07-2014, 01:38 PM
I guess that means the Lakers are out of the Melo sweepstakes..

Once again the Lakers fan should be thanking Phil again!!!
With that said, the Knicks next year with a ton of cap space being freed up should be interesting

I'm hoping this should be finalized and I can breathe a sigh of relief that Melo isn't in a Lakers jersey

chitown85
07-07-2014, 03:02 PM
Chris "Crystal Ball" Broussard pulling daisies out of his butt again. It's one thing for an average run of the mill fan to go on forums like this and give opinions of what they think might happen it's another thing entirely to have a journalist go on a major network or tweet something from a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy who was engaged to his best friend's sister and ends up having no validity. It's all for shock value. They are being paid to come up with something so to meet their daily deadline they spew gossip. Until I see "BREAKING NEWS" on the bottom of a sports ticker saying so and so got traded or signed a deal all things Broussard and people like him say means nothing at all.

Yes.