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KnicksYanks
06-25-2014, 04:19 PM
Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine now
Proposed deal would send two Mavs starters to Knicks -- Sam Dalembert and Jose Calderón -- as well as prized young guard

goingfor28
06-25-2014, 04:20 PM
I don't get it for NY

KnicksYanks
06-25-2014, 04:21 PM
ESPN has learned that Dallas Mavericks are on verge of reacquiring Tyson Chandler in trade with New York Knicks. Story going online now
4:15pm - 25 Jun 14

FOBolous
06-25-2014, 04:22 PM
yes please. then they will pave the way for Houston to dump Asik and Lin to NYK cause this trade will create a need for a 5 for NYK. Dallas get their defensive anchor back, NYK gets one of the league's top 5 defensive C and their darling (Lin) back, and Houston gets Carmelo. everyone wins :clap:

abe_froman
06-25-2014, 04:24 PM
dont get it for ny

LongIslandIcedZ
06-25-2014, 04:25 PM
I don't know what Calderon and Dalemberts contracts look like, but getting rid of Felton and getting a University of Miami product back is cool with me.

kozelkid
06-25-2014, 04:25 PM
yes please. then they will pave the way for Houston to dump Asik and Lin to NYK cause this trade will create a need for a 5 for NYK. Dallas get their defensive anchor back, NYK gets one of the league's top 5 defensive C and their darling (Lin) back, and Houston gets Carmelo. everyone wins :clap:
How do you figure? Dalembert is a 5...

Tanakid777
06-25-2014, 04:27 PM
I like it for Dallas. Shame that Dalembert can't stick around, but we need Chandler, and Felton is a bit more of a scoring threat than Calderon.

Swift Game
06-25-2014, 04:27 PM
If this goes down there is no way Carmelo is signing with the Knicks...that would leave the door open for Dallas to make a serious push for melo along with Chicago and maybe the Lakers. It's crazy to think that potential trades can be a domino for other things to fall.

mavs11
06-25-2014, 04:29 PM
mavs gonna trade for no7 pick and nash tomorrow?

king4day
06-25-2014, 04:35 PM
The trade is expected to cost Dallas two starters -- point guard Jose Calderon and center Samuel Dalembert -- along with prized young point guard Shane Larkin, reserve guard Wayne Ellington and future second-round draft compensation.

Wow, can't believe they gave up Larkin too

DoMeFavors
06-25-2014, 04:36 PM
Looks like Melo isnt staying now, why would the Knicks make this move in an attempt to keep Melo? You get a better starting PG but lose defense

king4day
06-25-2014, 04:37 PM
mavs gonna trade for no7 pick and nash tomorrow?

Interesting idea. Does Dallas have the cap space?

B'sCeltsPatsSox
06-25-2014, 04:37 PM
mavs gonna trade for no7 pick and nash tomorrow?

For what?

NYKnickFanatic
06-25-2014, 04:38 PM
I like it. Send Chandler back to somewhere he likes, get rid of Felton, get a PG who can play in Calderon, while getting a nice young PG in Larkin.

This definitely helps open the door for Gasol.


The trade is expected to cost Dallas two starters -- point guard Jose Calderon and center Samuel Dalembert -- along with prized young point guard Shane Larkin, reserve guard Wayne Ellington and future second-round draft compensation.

xxplayerxx23
06-25-2014, 04:38 PM
Tyson quit on the team goodbye. Calderon is an upgrade to Felton and we get back a young pg I like it

#1 Romo fan
06-25-2014, 04:39 PM
Interesting idea. Does Dallas have the cap space?

Dallas has the most cap space i believe

DoMeFavors
06-25-2014, 04:40 PM
Jose and Barngani On same team again!

Ill21
06-25-2014, 04:40 PM
Im glad Felton and Chandler are gone but can someone explain to me why we need to take back these contracts?

NYKnickFanatic
06-25-2014, 04:43 PM
Dalembert will probably be waived.

therealwd27
06-25-2014, 04:44 PM
Bye bye Melo

roshan3ai
06-25-2014, 04:44 PM
Im glad Felton and Chandler are gone but can someone explain to me why we need to take back these contracts?

Dalembert is basically an expiring with a Team option in 2015-2016. Caldy is a huge upgrade at PG and is a very good fit for the triangle with his playmaking ability and jumper. He costs 3 mill more than Felton would have in 2015-2016. Larkin is a prospect. I don't like taking Ellington back though.

Thumper 88
06-25-2014, 04:45 PM
Good deal for Dallas!

Harris was going to be the starting PG anyways for Dallas and now they get rid of the really long contract of Jose and his no defense.

nycericanguy
06-25-2014, 04:46 PM
Calderon is the prefect triangle PG and a MASSIVE upgrade.

Knicks also get Larkin who was the #18 pick last year.

They unload Felton's deal too.

They get a future 2nd round pick.

All for Tyson Chandler who was going to be gone at end of year anyway and misses 20-30 games a year.

Good deal for NY, and Dalembert's deal is non guaranteed. Knicks add talent and they add very little 2015 money.

Thumper 88
06-25-2014, 04:49 PM
Jose is a lot of money lol

bucketss
06-25-2014, 04:49 PM
i think calderon impacts this team a lot, best pg they've had in years

Thumper 88
06-25-2014, 04:50 PM
Jose is good but he can't guard the quick pg in the west

NYYCowboys
06-25-2014, 04:50 PM
I think the Knicks did OK, BUT why the hell did they want Calderon back? He is still owed 3 years 21 mil..... He's way better than Felton, don't get me wrong, but you're gonna sacrifice 7.7 mil on cap space in 2015 for a 34 year old PG??? I don't get it.... I hope there is another trade to come off this one....

DoMeFavors
06-25-2014, 04:50 PM
Does Melo really want to play with an old pg who plays no defense? I think Melo has given word to Knicks he is leaving

Mr.B
06-25-2014, 04:50 PM
dont get it for ny

It's basically a salary dump for NY. Plus they also get rid of Felton. Not to mention they get a good floor leader and deadly shooter in Calderon and their PG of the future in Larkin. Also Calderon and Dalembert's contracts are dry tradable. Dallas gets the center they should never let go and they do it without using up their cap space. Oh and the Mavs have about $35 mil in cap space. $10 of that will be used to resign Dirk though.

Mr.B
06-25-2014, 04:51 PM
[QUO TE=NYKnickFanatic;28676032]Dalembert will probably be waived.[/QUOTE]
I hope he is waived! I would love for the Mavs to resign him to be Chandlers backup.

Jarvo
06-25-2014, 04:52 PM
Felton ****ing blowsssssssss

DarkKnight
06-25-2014, 04:52 PM
bye bye melo

lol still bitter about the spurs ?

teddygreen17
06-25-2014, 04:52 PM
Larkin is small. Dalembert's contract is team option.
Only reason Knicks doing this is salary dump and a 2nd...Also, this Knicks team will play practically NO DEFENSE...which means, they are screaming, Melo get us a sign and trade.

DarkKnight
06-25-2014, 04:54 PM
Felton ****ing blowsssssssss

EXACTLY ! Plus you can waive Dalembert, get a young pg . Phil isn't done, its just beginning

therealwd27
06-25-2014, 04:54 PM
lol still bitter about the spurs ?

Nah I'm ok lol. Hoping for a better season this time around

NYYCowboys
06-25-2014, 04:55 PM
Unless there is a move coming that this move set up I just am baffled on why the Knicks would get Calderon to eat up 7.7 mil of their 2015 cap space when they could have just let Chandler go off the books.....

NYKnickFanatic
06-25-2014, 04:56 PM
I hope he is waived! I would love for the Mavs to resign him to be Chandlers backup.

I don't think you can re-sign him until next year, might be wrong.

nycericanguy
06-25-2014, 04:57 PM
Unless there is a move coming that this move set up I just am baffled on why the Knicks would get Calderon to eat up 7.7 mil of their 2015 cap space when they could have just let Chandler go off the books.....

well they are going to need a PG anyway and the available PG's in 2015 were all going to cost at least $8m. Like Lin, Reggie Jackson... Rondo...etc...

Calderon makes $7.4m but they got rid of Felton's deal so they only added $2.9m salary for 2015.

And they get Larkin too who has tons of potential and a future second rounder.

Mr.B
06-25-2014, 04:57 PM
I hope he is waived! I would love for the Mavs to resign him to be Chandlers backup.

I don't think you can re-sign him until next year, might be wrong.[/QUOTE]

You might be right now that I think about it. Hopefully someone can fill us in in this.

NBA_Starter
06-25-2014, 04:58 PM
PJ trying to get things moving.

Jamiecballer
06-25-2014, 04:58 PM
Jose and Barngani On same team again!
LOL

I have to assume bargnani isn't staying

DarkKnight
06-25-2014, 04:59 PM
Nah I'm ok lol. Hoping for a better season this time around

trust me I know that feeling

DoMeFavors
06-25-2014, 04:59 PM
I like the trade if Knicks want to rebuild now, but this means Melo is leaving. You get some nice young pieces and look for next years free agency. But Melo is gone and Fisher will likely coach the knicks to a lottery pick next year.

DarkKnight
06-25-2014, 05:00 PM
PJ trying to get things moving.

scheming

xxplayerxx23
06-25-2014, 05:01 PM
Unless there is a move coming that this move set up I just am baffled on why the Knicks would get Calderon to eat up 7.7 mil of their 2015 cap space when they could have just let Chandler go off the books.....

He's 3 mill more then Felton.

DarkKnight
06-25-2014, 05:02 PM
I like the trade if Knicks want to rebuild now, but this means Melo is leaving. You get some nice young pieces and look for next years free agency. But Melo is gone and Fisher will likely coach the knicks to a lottery pick next year.

where is Melo going ? and Lebron ? lol your'e funny

teddygreen17
06-25-2014, 05:02 PM
Ken Berger ‏@KBergCBS 2m
Aside from getting coveted PG Larkin, Knicks dump Felton's contract and shave about $7m off '14-'15 books with deal.

DarkKnight
06-25-2014, 05:03 PM
Ken Berger ‏@KBergCBS 2m
Aside from getting coveted PG Larkin, Knicks dump Felton's contract and shave about $7m off '14-'15 books with deal.

boom !

teddygreen17
06-25-2014, 05:03 PM
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 13s
In proposed deal, Dallas would send the Knicks its 2014 second round picks: Nos. 34 and 51, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

OK - 2 picks, that new

Pierzynski4Prez
06-25-2014, 05:04 PM
I like it for both.

Essentially Calderon and Larkin for Chandler since Dalembert will likely be waived. It does take away about 5 mil from the Knicks 2015 cap space though. But at least Knicks have options at PG now, just a hole a the Center position.

nycericanguy
06-25-2014, 05:04 PM
I actually think this help Melo stay.

Our biggest need by far has been PG... now we get a high IQ, highly efficient PG.

We can make due at C with Dalembert and Tyler & COle who were both impressive last year. Tyson wasn't the same anymore anyway and misses a lot of games and wasn't part of the long term plan.

teddygreen17
06-25-2014, 05:06 PM
Ken Berger ‏@KBergCBS 9s
Knicks, however, would add about $5m to their books in '15-'16 in proposed deal with Dallas. Chandler was to come off books next summer.

xxplayerxx23
06-25-2014, 05:06 PM
I actually think this help Melo stay.

Our biggest need by far has been PG... now we get a high IQ, highly efficient PG.

We can make due at C with Dalembert and Tyler & COle who were both impressive last year. Tyson wasn't the same anymore anyway and misses a lot of games and wasn't part of the long term plan.

And he quit on the team

DoMeFavors
06-25-2014, 05:07 PM
I actually think this help Melo stay.

Our biggest need by far has been PG... now we get a high IQ, highly efficient PG.

We can make due at C with Dalembert and Tyler & COle who were both impressive last year. Tyson wasn't the same anymore anyway and misses a lot of games and wasn't part of the long term plan.

Jose and Dalmebert along with JR Smith isnt winning you a title

DarkKnight
06-25-2014, 05:08 PM
2 picks and shaving off some cap space. hmmmm someone Take JR and BARGS!

xxplayerxx23
06-25-2014, 05:08 PM
Ken Berger ‏@KBergCBS 9s
Knicks, however, would add about $5m to their books in '15-'16 in proposed deal with Dallas. Chandler was to come off books next summer.

If we don't pick up daily option it's only like 3 mill

Pierzynski4Prez
06-25-2014, 05:08 PM
boom !

That just saves Dolan 7 mil. Doesn't give NY any room to add anywhere this summer.

But it does eat into the 2015 available cap space by about 5 mil more than just keeping Tyson and Felton. But NY does need a PG. This could essentially keep them from going after Rondo.

DarkKnight
06-25-2014, 05:09 PM
jose and dalmebert along with jr smith isnt winning you a title

no we need the heart of a champion

bucketss
06-25-2014, 05:09 PM
Does Melo really want to play with an old pg who plays no defense? I think Melo has given word to Knicks he is leaving

caldy still better than deron

teddygreen17
06-25-2014, 05:09 PM
No since the Knicks have 2 PG, with Pigs...uh, I think its pretty obvious that Knicks are targeting a C in the draft.

Pierzynski4Prez
06-25-2014, 05:10 PM
If we don't pick up daily option it's only like 3 mill

Larkin + Calderon in 2015-16 are at 9 Mil. Felton's player option was for just over 4 mil. So they lose about 4.5 in cap space after the roster hold.

DarkKnight
06-25-2014, 05:10 PM
That just saves Dolan 7 mil. Doesn't give NY any room to add anywhere this summer.

But it does eat into the 2015 available cap space by about 5 mil more than just keeping Tyson and Felton. But NY does need a PG. This could essentially keep them from going after Rondo.
Not saying it happens but who's to say they don't spin these guys ? maybe another trade happening , IDK

xxplayerxx23
06-25-2014, 05:11 PM
2 picks and shaving off some cap space. hmmmm someone Take JR and BARGS!

Shump for pick 21,

nycericanguy
06-25-2014, 05:11 PM
That just saves Dolan 7 mil. Doesn't give NY any room to add anywhere this summer.

But it does eat into the 2015 available cap space by about 5 mil more than just keeping Tyson and Felton. But NY does need a PG. This could essentially keep them from going after Rondo.

I don't think ROndo was ever a target after PJ took over. He's a horrible fit in the triangle with his poor shooting and the fact that he holds and over dribbles the ball a lot.

Not to mention he would probably cost twice what Calderon does.

DarkKnight
06-25-2014, 05:11 PM
caldy still better than deron

maybe

nycericanguy
06-25-2014, 05:12 PM
Larkin + Calderon in 2015-16 are at 9 Mil. Felton's player option was for just over 4 mil. So they lose about 4.5 in cap space after the roster hold.

Larkin is a team option, if he sucks and we need cap badly we can let him go. SAM is also a team option.

We only added 2.9m in cap.

xxplayerxx23
06-25-2014, 05:12 PM
Larkin + Calderon in 2015-16 are at 9 Mil. Felton's player option was for just over 4 mil. So they lose about 4.5 in cap space after the roster hold.

My mistake I forgot about Larkin

DarkKnight
06-25-2014, 05:12 PM
Shump for pick 21,

thats more picks than we've had in the past 5 years lmao!!

xxplayerxx23
06-25-2014, 05:14 PM
thats more picks than we've had in the past 5 years lmao!!

Lol

Thumper 88
06-25-2014, 05:17 PM
NY is also getting ellington

kobe4thewinbang
06-25-2014, 05:18 PM
Kudos for reporting sooner--I just saw this 'trending' on FaceBook:
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2014/6/25/5843100/tyson-chandler-dallas-mavericks-trade-new-york-knicks

If this is official, is Cuban forgiven? I wonder if Dallas could've made a run at a repeat if they'd kept Chandler.
I figure Chandler will help Dallas somewhat since they were so poor defensively last season.
If they'd had Chandler, who knows--maybe they'd have beaten the champions (Spurs) in Game 7?

teddygreen17
06-25-2014, 05:18 PM
Ken Berger ‏@KBergCBS 7m
For Dalembert, only $1.8m of his $3.9m salary for '14-'15 is guaranteed. He could be bought out to create more room.

ManRam
06-25-2014, 05:19 PM
Makes sense for both teams. Maybe not a win/win...but a minor win/minor win

LongIslandIcedZ
06-25-2014, 05:27 PM
My buddy with the NBA just told me that the Knicks would also be acquiring the 34th and 51st picks. Not sure how/why, but in what is considered a "deep draft" getting those picks will be nice.

Mr.B
06-25-2014, 05:28 PM
Just read that the Mavs wanted to get this deal done before the draft and before free agency. They still plan to go after Gasol, Chandler Parsons, or Lance Stephenson.

MJL80
06-25-2014, 05:29 PM
Now the Knicks have Barry Larkin's son and Tim Hardaway's son..... Makes me feel old :(

JLynn943
06-25-2014, 05:29 PM
I don't really get it at all for Dallas. Felton is awful and Chandler isn't getting any younger.

DarkKnight
06-25-2014, 05:32 PM
Now the Knicks have Barry Larkin's son and Tim Hardaway's son..... Makes me feel old :(

ha ha I was thinking the same

NYYCowboys
06-25-2014, 05:32 PM
4:59 p.m.: The deal would likely get the Knicks under the cap for next season and allow them to use exceptions (Cacciola, June 25).


Gotta like this. We can probably do sign and trades, and use the full mid level now too if we want....

Utd7
06-25-2014, 05:37 PM
This is a great deal for the Knicks. Losing Chandler isn't necessarily ideal in the immediate short term but in the process you get rid of Felton who is horrible and his contract was on the books for 2015. Furthermore, it didn't seem likely that the Knicks were going to commit to Tyson anyway when his contract was up. Also they get two picks and Larkin who I'm surprised has been thrown in the deal.

DarkKnight
06-25-2014, 05:41 PM
Howard Beck @HowardBeck 1 minute ago
One more tidbit: Knicks are hopeful that Calderon will help them recruit Marc Gasol in 2015. Potential fringe benefit to deal.
Howard Beck @HowardBeck 2 minutes ago
Biggest challenge Knicks face in retaining Carmelo is inability to win in near term. Calderon helps on that front. Big upgrade.
Howard Beck @HowardBeck 3 minutes ago
Looking at Knicks trade thru Carmelo prism: Yes, he was a fan of Tyson. But it's also a win-now move, which could help persuade him to stay
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JNA17
06-25-2014, 05:48 PM
Great deal for the Knicks and really bad for the Mavs. Chandler can't stay healthy and he's not the same player anymore while Felton is beyond crap.

Can't believe the Mavs also throw in Larkin and two picks...the hell?

ManRam
06-25-2014, 05:48 PM
Howard Beck @HowardBeck 2 minutes ago
Biggest challenge Knicks face in retaining Carmelo is inability to win in near term. Calderon helps on that front. Big upgrade.
Howard Beck @HowardBeck 3 minutes ago
Looking at Knicks trade thru Carmelo prism: Yes, he was a fan of Tyson. But it's also a win-now move, which could help persuade him to stay

Not sure I really agree with the notion that this helps in the short term. If anything it's lateral. They lost the only semblance of interior defense that they had. Yeah, Calderon is an upgrade at the point, but he's a ghost defensively so that's just compounding issues here. Barring ancillary moves, this sets them up for a bottom 5 defense in the league. And in an East that can only get better, yikes. I know Tyson wasn't his normal self last year, but still.

Those picks aren't gonna help in the short term, or most likely in the long term either. I have an opinion on Larkin that's not too favorable, but I'll admit my opinion there doesn't matter. But still, none of those pieces help short term either.

nycericanguy
06-25-2014, 05:52 PM
Not sure I really agree with the notion that this helps in the short term. If anything it's lateral. They lost the only semblance of interior defense that they had. Yeah, Calderon is an upgrade at the point, but he's a ghost defensively so that's just compounding issues here. Barring ancillary moves, this sets them up for a bottom 5 defense in the league. And in an East that can only get better, yikes. I know Tyson wasn't his normal self last year, but still.

Those picks aren't gonna help in the short term, or most likely in the long term either. I have an opinion on Larkin that's not too favorable, but I'll admit my opinion there doesn't matter. But still, none of those pieces help short term either.

You can make the case that Dalembert was better than Tyson last year...and he played 80 games compared to Tyson's 55 which seems to be a norm now.

Calderon is an IMMENSE upgrade at PG. a 48/41/87 shooter who never turns it over and actually has IQ.

No more watching Felton shoot 39%.

Also opens up the full MLE for NY... opens up a lot of things really.

ManRam
06-25-2014, 05:55 PM
You can make the case that Dalembert was better than Tyson last year...and he played 80 games compared to Tyson's 55 which seems to be a norm now.

Calderon is an IMMENSE upgrade at PG. a 48/41/87 shooter who never turns it over and actually has IQ.

No more watching Felton shoot 39%.

Also opens up the full MLE for NY... opens up a lot of things really.

Yeah. I'll admit I forgot about Sammy for a second there :laugh: Oops!

That's valid. For sure. Either way, Jose and Sammy aren't game-changers. Good players...and one is certainly an improvement, but I can't see this being a huge game-changer for the team's success OR Melo's decision. Especially if he really was close to Tyson.

DoMeFavors
06-25-2014, 05:56 PM
Great deal for the Knicks and really bad for the Mavs. Chandler can't stay healthy and he's not the same playerD anymore while Felton is beyond crap.

Can't believe the Mavs also throw in Larkin and two picks...the hell?

depends what they do in free agency, looks like they are going for it all again

DoMeFavors
06-25-2014, 05:58 PM
With Larkin and now two second rounders, looks like Fisher is going to be playing a lot of young guys next year. Melo is in his prime years he wants to win now. This all but shows he is bouncing.

gatkins11
06-25-2014, 06:00 PM
Interesting idea. Does Dallas have the cap space?

They'll have more than Phoenix after Bledsoe is extended his QO. However, I want no part of Nash at that price. Even if #7 comes with it.

xxplayerxx23
06-25-2014, 06:00 PM
With Larkin and now two second rounders, looks like Fisher is going to be playing a lot of young guys next year. Melo is in his prime years he wants to win now. This all but shows he is bouncing.

:laugh2: it shows nothing. Look at Knicks record when Felton shot over 45% then look at Calderon percentage an LMK what conclusion you come to.

DarkKnight
06-25-2014, 06:02 PM
:laugh2: it shows nothing. Look at Knicks record when Felton shot over 45% then look at Calderon percentage an LMK what conclusion you come to.

let him talk to himself, he's funny

abe_froman
06-25-2014, 06:03 PM
4:59 p.m.: The deal would likely get the Knicks under the cap for next season and allow them to use exceptions (Cacciola, June 25).


Gotta like this. We can probably do sign and trades, and use the full mid level now too if we want....
no it doesnt.it puts them under the tax apron though

Howard Beck @HowardBeck 1 minute ago
One more tidbit: Knicks are hopeful that Calderon will help them recruit Marc Gasol in 2015. Potential fringe benefit to deal.
Howard Beck @HowardBeck 2 minutes ago
Biggest challenge Knicks face in retaining Carmelo is inability to win in near term. Calderon helps on that front. Big upgrade.
Howard Beck @HowardBeck 3 minutes ago
Looking at Knicks trade thru Carmelo prism: Yes, he was a fan of Tyson. But it's also a win-now move, which could help persuade him to stay
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i dont think caleron helps them win in the short term ,they upgrade pg but dramatically downgrade their defense

DoMeFavors
06-25-2014, 06:03 PM
:laugh2: it shows nothing. Look at Knicks record when Felton shot over 45% then look at Calderon percentage an LMK what conclusion you come to.

Losing Chandler and adding Jose makes the Knicks a lot worse of a defensive team. Melo wants to play somewhere that he has a chance. Look at Knicks current roster with these guys and Lamar Odom and Fisher coaching then look at Bulls.

smood999
06-25-2014, 06:06 PM
If we don't pick up daily option it's only like 3 mill

No, I don't think that's counting Dalembert...it's Larkin and Calderon. Calderon alone is making almost 3 mil more than Felton

MelanconMadness
06-25-2014, 06:09 PM
Bye Melo. Brought buzz back to the garden, came up short, I have no animosity for him leaving, go win a title

DarkKnight
06-25-2014, 06:10 PM
yup this is the final roster , now I know you're just trolling :laugh:

nycericanguy
06-25-2014, 06:12 PM
4:59 p.m.: The deal would likely get the Knicks under the cap for next season and allow them to use exceptions (Cacciola, June 25).


Gotta like this. We can probably do sign and trades, and use the full mid level now too if we want....

Pau this year at the FULL MLE, Marc in 2015.

Phil talked about getting high IQ guys...

BGeer091
06-25-2014, 06:14 PM
You are right. However we both know this will not be the final roster.

Mr.B
06-25-2014, 06:14 PM
I don't really get it at all for Dallas. Felton is awful and Chandler isn't getting any younger.

Dallas actually tried to acquire Feltin before he ended up with the Knicks. He was a horrible fit in the Knicks offense but Carlisle really likes the guy.

As for Chandler, true not getting any younger but he's light years better than Dalembert. Plus he'll have more to play for in Dallas than he did in NY the last couple of years. Plus he only has 1 year left on his contract so that's quite a bit of money coming off the books next year.

Wade n Fade
06-25-2014, 06:14 PM
No no, I don't want Larkin to be a Knick. That means him and Hardaway are two players I love to get on the Heat are in NYK. Sucks for them.

Shareeb_omac2
06-25-2014, 06:14 PM
Carmelo has visits with Chicago, Houston, and Dallas lined up. He was very fond of playing with Chandler. Is Dallas now a legit landing spot for Carmelo? Dallas has the cap space to give him the contract he wants right now without making any moves.

DoMeFavors
06-25-2014, 06:17 PM
Calderon is 38th among point guards in plus minus

gatkins11
06-25-2014, 06:18 PM
Carmelo has visits with Chicago, Houston, and Dallas lined up. He was very fond of playing with Chandler. Is Dallas now a legit landing spot for Carmelo? Dallas has the cap space to give him the contract he wants right now without making any moves.

They've been a legit landing spot. The media just likes to pump up the other destinations, and rightfully so. Dallas is a great situation though. Great owner, coach, and solid team.

Crackadalic
06-25-2014, 06:18 PM
How is trading Tyson and Felton, two of the most unproductive players last season, means melo is leaving? Do I have to remind people that Felton was the 4th worse pg of all available point guards last season and was our starter

Tyson played only 55 games and quit on the team. He literally quit. Why start a new positive culture with that even with him expiring

Jose is still one of the better productive pg's. Yes he's 34 but his skillset is triangle made and before people say it's cutting into 2015 who are the other star studded pg's. Rondo will command in the 11-12 mil, Lin and Jackson can be good players for the same amount but probably ask more then what Jose is making. Plus you don't need a star pg in the triangle. You just need a good one and a with a veteran I'm ok with that

Dalembert is just a replacement for Tyson. Nothing more. If anything he still does a decent job on a cheaper contract.

Also we get last year Shane Larkin and 2 second rounders for this year. So know we have even more assets then we did before

With our without melo we have more young assets plus our 2015 pick to go quality players in 2015. We may not win much this year but at least we have a better future then before

abe_froman
06-25-2014, 06:19 PM
Carmelo has visits with Chicago, Houston, and Dallas lined up. He was very fond of playing with Chandler. Is Dallas now a legit landing spot for Carmelo? Dallas has the cap space to give him the contract he wants right now without making any moves.
probably a big reason why they did the trade ,i'd def put them in the mix

amak316
06-25-2014, 06:23 PM
Wait Chandler is on an expiring? What on earth is Phil Jackson doing?

ManRam
06-25-2014, 06:24 PM
Calderon is 38th among point guards in plus minus

Not too surprising. His on/off numbers are terrifying defensively. He's mindbogglingly awful. With him on the court last year opposing teams posted an ORtg of 111.1. With him off of it they posted one of 103.8. That's nuts.

Take it for whatever you think it's worth, but it's insane. It's still an upgrade because Felton was brutal last year, but basketball is a game played on two sides of the court, and he's one of the absolute worst in the league on the defensive side of it.

mjt20mik
06-25-2014, 06:25 PM
What do Dallas get out of this. Do they have more financial flexibility for this off season?

nycericanguy
06-25-2014, 06:27 PM
Not too surprising. His on/off numbers are terrifying defensively. He's mindbogglingly awful. With him on the court last year opposing teams posted an ORtg of 111.1. With him off of it they posted one of 103.8. That's nuts.

Take it for whatever you think it's worth, but it's insane. It's still an upgrade because Felton was brutal last year, but basketball is a game played on two sides of the court, and he's one of the absolute worst in the league on the defensive side of it.

according to basketball reference he had a 120/112 ortg vs drtg last year, and 119/112 for his career

Are we looking at different things?

Felton last year was 103/111 and 103/109 for his career.

DoMeFavors
06-25-2014, 06:27 PM
Not too surprising. His on/off numbers are terrifying defensively. He's mindbogglingly awful. With him on the court last year opposing teams posted an ORtg of 111.1. With him off of it they posted one of 103.8. That's nuts.

Take it for whatever you think it's worth, but it's insane. It's still an upgrade because Felton was brutal last year, but basketball is a game played on two sides of the court, and he's one of the absolute worst in the league on the defensive side of it.

Losing Chandler will alalso cause their defense to drop even though it wasnt good to begin with. Throw Amare in there. Its not a good recipe for winning. Also running the triangle a half court offense where you cant even score a lot. Its looking scary bad.

Crackadalic
06-25-2014, 06:31 PM
Without melo that 2015 lottery pick is looking well within our reach. Knicks win either way with or without melo. We had 2 assets before this trade and got more without trading our own lol

GiantsSwaGG
06-25-2014, 06:32 PM
I love for the simple fact we got rid of Felton.

Calderon (although I'm not a fan of his) is an upgrade over Felton. And ppl are questioning Calderon's defense? Felton was probably the worst defensive player in the league last year.

Dalembert won't stay, basically a throw in.

I actually like Larkin...

For the record this trade actually gives me the impression that Jackson doesn't care if Melo comes back. I actually think he doesn't want Melo back. But if Calderon can recruit Marc Gasol in 2015, I will suck Jackson's toe Rex Ryan style!

ManRam
06-25-2014, 06:33 PM
according to basketball reference he had a 120/112 ortg vs drtg last year, and 119/112 for his career

Are we looking at different things?

Yes. I said on/off stats. Not just his individual ORtg/DRtg numbers.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/caldejo01/on-off/2014/


Offensively, the Mavs weren't really any different with him on or off the court. Defensively they were 7.3 points better with him on the bench compared to on the court. That's BAD BAD BAD.

DarkKnight
06-25-2014, 06:33 PM
Chris Herring ‏@HerringWSJ now
I'm hearing the Knicks are trying to move Dalembert and Larkin in a separate deal, according to a person familiar with the matter

wow that might be fast

GiantsSwaGG
06-25-2014, 06:36 PM
Chris Herring ‏@HerringWSJ now
I'm hearing the Knicks are trying to move Dalembert and Larkin in a separate deal, according to a person familiar with the matter

wow that might be fast

Figured, if he can aquire a 1st and keep Shump, it's a wrap

DarkKnight
06-25-2014, 06:36 PM
who cares what theyre paid , is that a cap hit ?

Wade n Fade
06-25-2014, 06:37 PM
Chris Herring ‏@HerringWSJ now
I'm hearing the Knicks are trying to move Dalembert and Larkin in a separate deal, according to a person familiar with the matter

wow that might be fast

If it's for Miami's first straight up, I would take that deal now.

ManRam
06-25-2014, 06:38 PM
And ppl are questioning Calderon's defense? Felton was probably the worst defensive player in the league last year.

Meh. Felton's bad. Calderon is brutal.

Felton: -1.23 DRPM
Calderon: -3.57 DRPM

Felton posted a slightly better DRtg. His on/off stats weren't bad. He posted more defensive win shares in far fewer minutes.


I don't think the difference will be too drastic, but it will exist. I'm only harping on this because while I always knew how poor of a defender Jose was, I'm kinda stunned with how insanely bad he was last year. So, just shock...and I'll move along. I said it was a good trade for both teams, and I maintain that

LongIslandIcedZ
06-25-2014, 06:38 PM
Why do you care what Jim Dolan is paying them. I'd rather a smart rebuild than force something together.

DarkKnight
06-25-2014, 06:43 PM
Good trade, OBVIOUSLY more moves coming,here comes Phil

Crackadalic
06-25-2014, 06:46 PM
Meh. Felton's bad. Calderon is brutal.

Felton: -1.23 DRPM
Calderon: -3.57 DRPM

Felton posted a slightly better DRtg. His on/off stats weren't bad. He posted more defensive win shares in far fewer minutes.


I don't think the difference will be too drastic, but it will exist. I'm only harping on this because while I always knew how poor of a defender Jose was, I'm kinda stunned with how insanely bad he was last year. So, just shock...and I'll move along. I said it was a good trade for both teams, and I maintain that

Might benefit playing more east coast basketball then playing the uptempo style and not guarding the curry/westbrook/paul/parkers of the world.

teddygreen17
06-25-2014, 06:48 PM
****** ‏@****** 16m
MT @HerringWSJ: I'm hearing the Knicks are trying to move Dalembert and Larkin in a separate deal, according to a source.

DarkKnight
06-25-2014, 06:49 PM
a lot of guards on this roster , are there any rumor trades on the horizon

Deutsch Konig
06-25-2014, 06:53 PM
My buddy with the NBA just told me that the Knicks would also be acquiring the 34th and 51st picks. Not sure how/why, but in what is considered a "deep draft" getting those picks will be nice.

LMAO...34th and 51st??? this aint the NFL...the draft is deep as in the 1st 15 picks will be nice "maybe" 1st 20.....at 34 youre getting trash and at 51 you might as well draft johnny football lol

The Knicks just got worse and after Melo signs with the Bulls....You have a 15-67 team going into next year lol but hey at least youll have a top 3 pick in the next draft, maybe get jhalil okeafor

DarkKnight
06-25-2014, 06:55 PM
so the Knicks are done making deals and improving this roster ? who knew

Cal827
06-25-2014, 06:57 PM
Might benefit playing more east coast basketball then playing the uptempo style and not guarding the curry/westbrook/paul/parkers of the world.

As a Raptor fan who used to cheer hard for the ever so loyal Calderon:

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

If he helps your team defense, then you should have problems :D

xabial
06-25-2014, 06:59 PM
Good news for Felton.... Gun laws are better in Texas.

Greet
06-25-2014, 07:00 PM
Meh. Felton's bad. Calderon is brutal.

Felton: -1.23 DRPM
Calderon: -3.57 DRPM

Felton posted a slightly better DRtg. His on/off stats weren't bad. He posted more defensive win shares in far fewer minutes.


I don't think the difference will be too drastic, but it will exist. I'm only harping on this because while I always knew how poor of a defender Jose was, I'm kinda stunned with how insanely bad he was last year. So, just shock...and I'll move along. I said it was a good trade for both teams, and I maintain that

Calderon is a much better offensive player though. He's pretty productive, shoots a nice % and can perform a PnR very well

Crackadalic
06-25-2014, 07:00 PM
LMAO...34th and 51st??? this aint the NFL...the draft is deep as in the 1st 15 picks will be nice "maybe" 1st 20.....at 34 youre getting trash and at 51 you might as well draft johnny football lol

The Knicks just got worse and after Melo signs with the Bulls....You have a 15-67 team going into next year lol but hey at least youll have a top 3 pick in the next draft, maybe get jhalil okeafor

Lottery picks last year would be mid 1st rounders this year. Of course the nba isn't the nfl but this draft class is the deepest it's been in a while that you can get value even in the 2nd round.

It's also spelled Jahlil Okafor and if that is who we get next season let us suck all we want to do that

Crackadalic
06-25-2014, 07:02 PM
As a Raptor fan who used to cheer hard for the ever so loyal Calderon:

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

If he helps your team defense, then you should have problems :D

lmao hey seeing Felton shoot like he is actually good at that will make me like Jose even more even with that sucky defense.

east fb knicks
06-25-2014, 07:02 PM
LMAO...34th and 51st??? this aint the NFL...the draft is deep as in the 1st 15 picks will be nice "maybe" 1st 20.....at 34 youre getting trash and at 51 you might as well draft johnny football lol

The Knicks just got worse and after Melo signs with the Bulls....You have a 15-67 team going into next year lol but hey at least youll have a top 3 pick in the next draft, maybe get jhalil okeafor

if melo leaves i'd love that:D make it happen phil

LongIslandIcedZ
06-25-2014, 07:03 PM
My buddy with the NBA just told me that the Knicks would also be acquiring the 34th and 51st picks. Not sure how/why, but in what is considered a "deep draft" getting those picks will be nice.

LMAO...34th and 51st??? this aint the NFL...the draft is deep as in the 1st 15 picks will be nice "maybe" 1st 20.....at 34 youre getting trash and at 51 you might as well draft johnny football lol

The Knicks just got worse and after Melo signs with the Bulls....You have a 15-67 team going into next year lol but hey at least youll have a top 3 pick in the next draft, maybe get jhalil okeafor

A lot of this is incorrect. You probably aren't getting a superstar, but there are role players to be had at the 34th pick. Its not guarantee, but neither is the first pick. I also disagree that the Knicks just got worse. I think it was a lateral move at minimum. Also, this clearly isn't the finished product, there is a lot of off-season remaining.

Granted, you just sound like a troll and are a shining example of what makes the NBA forum so terrible.

east fb knicks
06-25-2014, 07:07 PM
another thing if melo leaves we just freed upsome cap so we could add gasol very easily and in 2015 weare all but guaranteed thisline up

m gasol
p gasol
idk
idk
jose

if melo leaves i'm completely fine with going to war with that

Captain Moroni
06-25-2014, 07:11 PM
First of several trades involving the Knicks. o far so good.

Deutsch Konig
06-25-2014, 07:11 PM
A lot of this is incorrect. You probably aren't getting a superstar, but there are role players to be had at the 34th pick. Its not guarantee, but neither is the first pick. I also disagree that the Knicks just got worse. I think it was a lateral move at minimum. Also, this clearly isn't the finished product, there is a lot of off-season remaining.

Granted, you just sound like a troll and are a shining example of what makes the NBA forum so terrible.

I'm a troll because the Knicks suck and I told you the Knicks suck??? Sooooo are all the ESPN analysts trolls too?

I understand sticking up for your team but my god, lets put this into perspective.......

2014 Knicks

Calderon
Jr Smith
Hardaway Jr
Amare
Dalembert


Parker
Ginobli
Leanord
Duncan
Splitter

Can't you see that one of those teams is beautiful and the other could potentially lose 70 games? If you can't see it, then you're a blind homer

DR_1
06-25-2014, 07:12 PM
I like it for both.

Deutsch Konig
06-25-2014, 07:13 PM
another thing if melo leaves we just freed upsome cap so we could add gasol very easily and in 2015 weare all but guaranteed thisline up

m gasol
p gasol
idk
idk
jose

if melo leaves i'm completely fine with going to war with that

lmao wtf?? youre content with going to "war" with 3 players, 1 of which is Jose Calderon? lmao holy **** knick fans are a trip!

DarkKnight
06-25-2014, 07:13 PM
I'm a troll because the Knicks suck and I told you the Knicks suck??? Sooooo are all the ESPN analysts trolls too?

I understand sticking up for your team but my god, lets put this into perspective.......

2014 Knicks

Calderon
Jr Smith
Hardaway Jr
Amare
Dalembert


Parker
Ginobli
Leanord
Duncan
Splitter

Can't you see that one of those teams is beautiful and the other could potentially lose 70 games? If you can't see it, then you're a blind homer

You think thats the final roster ? probably not, so just wait. Its not over yet

Crackadalic
06-25-2014, 07:14 PM
I'm a troll because the Knicks suck and I told you the Knicks suck??? Sooooo are all the ESPN analysts trolls too?

I understand sticking up for your team but my god, lets put this into perspective.......

2014 Knicks

Calderon
Jr Smith
Hardaway Jr
Amare
Dalembert


Parker
Ginobli
Leanord
Duncan
Splitter

Can't you see that one of those teams is beautiful and the other could potentially lose 70 games? If you can't see it, then you're a blind homer

What you don't understand is if Melo leaves we don't care about winning games and more so on developing our young talent and getting a high lottery pick.

Your the one who thinks that most knick fans are troubled for sucking next season because we don't

LongIslandIcedZ
06-25-2014, 07:15 PM
A lot of this is incorrect. You probably aren't getting a superstar, but there are role players to be had at the 34th pick. Its not guarantee, but neither is the first pick. I also disagree that the Knicks just got worse. I think it was a lateral move at minimum. Also, this clearly isn't the finished product, there is a lot of off-season remaining.

Granted, you just sound like a troll and are a shining example of what makes the NBA forum so terrible.

I'm a troll because the Knicks suck and I told you the Knicks suck??? Sooooo are all the ESPN analysts trolls too?

I understand sticking up for your team but my god, lets put this into perspective.......

2014 Knicks

Calderon
Jr Smith
Hardaway Jr
Amare
Dalembert


Parker
Ginobli
Leanord
Duncan
Splitter

Can't you see that one of those teams is beautiful and the other could potentially lose 70 games? If you can't see it, then you're a blind homer

I'm not going to get into a war of words with someone who thinks I'm comparing the Knicks to the Spurs. You are entitled to your opinion, as ill informed as it may be.

Good day.

FreeAgentZero
06-25-2014, 07:16 PM
Could be a win-win trade for both teams. A healthy Chandler probably adds a few wins for the Mavs and the Knicks get some much-needed youth and a little help with their cap situation. I examined the trade and what it means for both teams here: http://freeagentzero.com/2014/06/25/examining-the-tyson-chandler-trade/

torocan
06-25-2014, 07:17 PM
Can't you see that one of those teams is beautiful and the other could potentially lose 70 games? If you can't see it, then you're a blind homer

And this is how we KNOW that you're a troll.

Going 12-70 is almost impossible unless you're rolling out a D-league roster. On offense alone that would get them at least 20-30 games. Maybe more in the East.

And considering the Knicks have their 2015 1st round pick, it wouldn't be the worst outcome in the world if they won 15-20 games.

Also, FA has just begun. You're trying to judge the pie before it's done baking.

The moves improve the Knicks position to either clear the roster and rebuild or to add pieces... something that they couldn't do this morning.

Win for both teams.

Bruno
06-25-2014, 07:19 PM
wow, so funny.

I really wish Cuban would have kept that core together. Chandler earned a spot on the Mavs, but Cuban had stars in his eyes. I can't blame him.

I think Calderon to NYK is step one of Phil Jackson trying to get the Gasol brothers to NYC. Pau for sure.

29$JerZ
06-25-2014, 07:21 PM
wow, so funny.

I really wish Cuban would have kept that core together. Chandler earned a spot on the Mavs, but Cuban had stars in his eyes. I can't blame him.

I think Calderon to NYK is step one of Phil Jackson trying to get the Gasol brothers to NYC. Pau for sure.

Calderon
Shumpert
Melo
Pau
Marc

Shareeb_omac2
06-25-2014, 07:27 PM
@espn_macmahon: Mavs source on Chandler deal: "It makes us real players for LeBron and Carmelo." Not sure how good odds but "lot better than few hours ago."

Obviously Lebron isn't a real possibility but I think the Mavs are going to push hard for Carmelo now.

Jamiecballer
06-25-2014, 07:29 PM
Smart move by the Knicks. Damn that felt weird.

Shareeb_omac2
06-25-2014, 07:30 PM
I feel like it's an average move for both teams but makes sense for what both of their goals are.

xxplayerxx23
06-25-2014, 07:38 PM
QUOTE=Jamiecballer;28677242]Smart move by the Knicks. Damn that felt weird.[/QUOTE]

First time for everything :) thank you Phil

WVNowitzki
06-25-2014, 07:40 PM
I'm not going to get into a war of words with someone who thinks I'm comparing the Knicks to the Spurs. You are entitled to your opinion, as ill informed as it may be.

Good day.

I'm not sure what part of his post is ill informed? That is indeed the Knicks roster as it stands post the Chandler trade.

LongIslandIcedZ
06-25-2014, 07:43 PM
I'm not going to get into a war of words with someone who thinks I'm comparing the Knicks to the Spurs. You are entitled to your opinion, as ill informed as it may be.

Good day.

I'm not sure what part of his post is ill informed? That is indeed the Knicks roster as it stands post the Chandler trade.

I don't think the Knicks are worse than they were before the trade. I also don't think it is a 17 win team.

Not to mention, implying that I compared the Knicks to the Spurs was asinine. The only point I was trying to make was that 2 second rounders could be nice.

jgthegame1982
06-25-2014, 07:53 PM
As a knick fan I like it.. Soooooo hard watching Felton!

Interested in next move!

Bruno
06-25-2014, 07:54 PM
I feel like it's an average move for both teams but makes sense for what both of their goals are.

i think its a major upgrade for Dallas so long as Chandler stays on the court.

RLundi
06-25-2014, 07:58 PM
Love it for New York, hate it for Dallas.

DWNTWNLakeShow
06-25-2014, 08:04 PM
For me it's a meh deal. I have to wait and see what each team does throughout free agency to decide who the winner is.

GiantsSwaGG
06-25-2014, 08:04 PM
Love it for New York, hate it for Dallas.

A motivated Tyson is still a top 10 center IMO, so I like it for the Mavs. We got rid of Felton that's all I'm excited about!

dannyy08
06-25-2014, 08:10 PM
Jose is good but he can't guard the quick pg in the west

Good thing he is in the East.

IgglesFanInCO
06-25-2014, 08:14 PM
please just be rebuilding for two years knicks

All I want is a lotto pick from you guys in 2016 :D

savvy1803
06-25-2014, 08:16 PM
I like it. Send Chandler back to somewhere he likes, get rid of Felton, get a PG who can play in Calderon, while getting a nice young PG in Larkin.

This definitely helps open the door for Gasol.

I kind of thought this as well , may give Pau a landing place with the Knicks as well , triangle players will be of value to them .

NYKnickFanatic
06-25-2014, 08:20 PM
Fellow Knicks fans complaining about Felton's defense, lol, just wait until you watch Calderon.

He will be better on offense, but a nightmare on defense.

numba1CHANGsta
06-25-2014, 08:22 PM
Why would Melo leave NY where he played with Chandler and Felton and go to DAL and play for them again? it makes no sense. Okay yeah they have Ellis and Dirk but that front court is weak on defense and Felton is done IMO

colinskik
06-25-2014, 08:24 PM
Fellow Knicks fans complaining about Felton's defense, lol, just wait until you watch Calderon.

He will be better on offense, but a nightmare on defense.

Right, so an upgrade.

NYKnickFanatic
06-25-2014, 08:25 PM
Right, so an upgrade.

On offense, for sure.

ThuglifeJ
06-25-2014, 08:26 PM
Calderon is outstanding. Mavs lost a Starting PG, but gained a Starting and more importantly, defensive/rebounding, Center. Can't really decide how I feel about it. Probably have to say Chandler's value > Calderons...especially seeing as Calderon will be a year older, ineffective on defense, and probably shot the best 3 pt % he will ever shoot.

If Cuban can make another move, or upgrade over Felton, he's a genius.

Mavs did really need a good defender/rebounder in the paint...so probably a good move.

Don't know why the Knicks really did this...Calderon is awesome, but he's not gonna do much for them that I can see. Yes he'll do great in the Triangle, but still just don't see much, he's old. Larkin will be out of the league in 2 years, he's like 5'5", immature, not good at all, I don't know why he's getting any excitement on here.

smood999
06-25-2014, 08:29 PM
I wanted the Knicks to draft Larkin last season...I have no idea how he was during his brief time on the court this yr...any Mavs fan want to give a report?

ThuglifeJ
06-25-2014, 08:31 PM
Fellow Knicks fans complaining about Felton's defense, lol, just wait until you watch Calderon.

He will be better on offense, but a nightmare on defense.

His IQ makes up for it..he really makes like no mistakes and absolutely never misses. Seriously, he hits everything from catch and shoot.

I take back my post, now that I think about the East point guards, he will absolutely kill it out there. It wont show up in the stats, but his value is underrated. He makes any team better being on the Roster. And his effort, competitiveness is awesome.

However, I think the Mavs got the better end of the deal with Calderon struggling to guard West PGs like Westbrook, Paul, PARKER, Curry, Lillard, oh man there's so many... Parker absolutely murdered Calderon in the playoffs it was disturbing, Jose made up for it sometimes though by just wetting the nets on offense.

ThuglifeJ
06-25-2014, 08:33 PM
I wanted the Knicks to draft Larkin last season...I have no idea how he was during his brief time on the court this yr...any Mavs fan want to give a report?

Like I said, don't get excited about it. Be excited for Calderon's IQ on the court and lights out shooting.. Larkin sucks though. Way too small, too hyper. Honestly, I thought he was terrible and wont make it another year in the league

0nekhmer
06-25-2014, 08:36 PM
Lmao knicks.. Get some damn assets and picks. Not MORE vets

NBA_Starter
06-25-2014, 08:40 PM
They have to take what they can get.

NYKnickFanatic
06-25-2014, 08:45 PM
Lmao knicks.. Get some damn assets and picks. Not MORE vets

We got a PG that fits the triangle perfectly.
A young athletic PG in Larkin.
And two second round picks.

Still not done, says Phil.

ManningToTyree
06-25-2014, 08:49 PM
The Knicks did get assets and picks so idk what you are talking about lol

gatkins11
06-25-2014, 08:57 PM
Why would Melo leave NY where he played with Chandler and Felton and go to DAL and play for them again? it makes no sense. Okay yeah they have Ellis and Dirk but that front court is weak on defense and Felton is done IMO

You answered your own question and Felton was a throw in. I doubt he sees meaningful minutes.

DarkKnight
06-25-2014, 09:09 PM
not worth it

Hellcrooner
06-25-2014, 09:13 PM
Calderon fits the triangle like butter and bread.

Expect next move to be go after Pau Gasol to convince melo to stay.

J4KOP99
06-25-2014, 09:14 PM
Good for the fat beaver. The gun laws in Texas are a lot more lenient.

Kashmir13579
06-25-2014, 09:32 PM
PJ trying to get things moving.

scheming the wheels are in motion

ThuglifeJ
06-25-2014, 09:34 PM
Wait did or did not the Mavs dish out Wayne Ellington? If not, that's 4 ex UNC Stars on one team. VC, Ellington, Felton, Wright.


are Haywood and Jamison on the market? Grab them all.

DallasTrilla23
06-25-2014, 09:34 PM
Hell Yea!

Tyson should of never left. It's too bad we had to give up Calderon tho, it seemed like he never missed and open shot here.

mudvayne387
06-25-2014, 09:37 PM
Let me fill non knick fans in on a little secret. Tyson Chandler did not have a good season last year. If he wasn't suffering from a physical injury, he was nursing the flu or bronchitis. On the rare chance he actually played, he didn't play with nearly the same intensity as the year prior. I like him as a person and as a player, but if Mavs fans think they are getting vintage Chandler they may be a bit disappointed. But who knows, maybe the trade will rejuvenate him.

As far as the rest of the pieces in the deal, I can't complain one bit. You shed a low IQ PG in Felton and bring in a very good shooter in Calderon, a young talent in Larkin, and a few picks.

At the end of the day, I can see this trade being beneficial for both teams.

LTBaByyy
06-25-2014, 09:39 PM
:dance:

Beltrans Mole
06-25-2014, 09:55 PM
:dance:

You're happy about giving up two draft picks, last year's first round pick and two other veterans for Tyson Chandler and Raymond Felton? Wow.

TheNumber37
06-25-2014, 09:59 PM
Great trade for Knicks and pretty high value for Chandler considering he moved Felton too

For those who don't understand the Knicks reasoning...
Felton was considered the worst PG in the NBA last year... and he was due for about 3.5 mil next year.

Chandler Year One: Excellent, filled a lot of the wholes in the D
Chandler Year two: Made to look useless in the playoffs against Hibbert (who was sooo great this year) after a neck injury
Chandler Year two: Not Healthy.. played 55 games, no real impact

His value has never been lower in a Knick uni.. He's a 32 year old 7'1 Defensive Center with No offense... he's not gonna get better, and he will severely drop off in 2 or 3 years.

In exchange...
Calderon. A legit NBA starting PG who can run an offense better than Felton. Better Shooter, better passer, higher IQ, more creative and makes players around him better (Bargnani)
Dalembert - A serviceable big (Chandler was a luxury for the triangle offense) on a very tradeable expiring 3.8 mil dollar deal
Shane Larkin - A potential Lottery pick last year (picked AHEAD of THJR). Solid Young PG who can be a better pro Than Felton and will continue to learn from Calderon until he can take the reigns... still on rookie contract to evaluate.
Wayne Ellington - Shooter who will thrive in the triangle
2 second round picks... he had none

If we did this deal the day before last year's draft... it would have looked like:
Tyson Chandler/Raymond Felton for Calderon, Dalembert, Ellington a 2013 1st round pick and two 2014 second round picks.

That Summer, it might have been a slight confusing move by the Knicks in Win now mode... but after the years that Chandler and Felton had... this looks great

Thumper 88
06-25-2014, 09:59 PM
You're happy about giving up two draft picks, last year's first round pick and two other veterans for Tyson Chandler and Raymond Felton? Wow.

Lol and you think you're going to get what with the 34th and 51st pick? Hahaha

Oh and you have Jose for 3 years... Let that soak in a little

Cal827
06-25-2014, 10:00 PM
Yeah, I don't think it's the same Chandler as the NBA title Chandler.

Thumper 88
06-25-2014, 10:02 PM
Great trade for Knicks and pretty high value for Chandler considering he moved Felton too

For those who don't understand the Knicks reasoning...
Felton was considered the worst PG in the NBA last year... and he was due for about 3.5 mil next year.

Chandler Year One: Excellent, filled a lot of the wholes in the D
Chandler Year two: Made to look useless in the playoffs against Hibbert (who was sooo great this year) after a neck injury
Chandler Year two: Not Healthy.. played 55 games, no real impact

His value has never been lower in a Knick uni.. He's a 32 year old 7'1 Defensive Center with No offense... he's not gonna get better, and he will severely drop off in 2 or 3 years.

In exchange...
Calderon. A legit NBA starting PG who can run an offense better than Felton. Better Shooter, better passer, higher IQ, more creative and makes players around him better (Bargnani)
Dalembert - A serviceable big (Chandler was a luxury for the triangle offense) on a very tradeable expiring 3.8 mil dollar deal
Shane Larkin - A potential Lottery pick last year (picked AHEAD of THJR). Solid Young PG who can be a better pro Than Felton and will continue to learn from Calderon until he can take the reigns... still on rookie contract to evaluate.
Wayne Ellington - Shooter who will thrive in the triangle
2 second round picks... he had none

If we did this deal the day before last year's draft... it would have looked like:
Tyson Chandler/Raymond Felton for Calderon, Dalembert, Ellington a 2013 1st round pick and two 2014 second round picks.

That Summer, it might have been a slight confusing move by the Knicks in Win now mode... but after the years that Chandler and Felton had... this looks great

Lol Larkin will not be in the NBA in 2 years and Ellington what?? I think you're in a never never land

Thumper 88
06-25-2014, 10:03 PM
Yeah, I don't think it's the same Chandler as the NBA title Chandler.

You're are probably right

theducksmuggler
06-25-2014, 10:04 PM
If this is a sign of the type of moves Phil Jackson can pull off with out having any assets at all they the NBA better watch out because he got rid of a useless PG and an aging Center for a starting pg, a young backup pg a vet center to somewhat replace chandler, another reserve guard plus 2 2nd rounders in a deep draft

gatkins11
06-25-2014, 10:04 PM
Dallas got the most out of Chandler the first time, hopefully they'll be able to do that again. I think it's a very good trade for both parties.

Beltrans Mole
06-25-2014, 10:20 PM
Lol and you think you're going to get what with the 34th and 51st pick? Hahaha

Oh and you have Jose for 3 years... Let that soak in a little

It's not even about the picks lol...PJ is trying to package Larkin and Sammy for a 1st round pick this year now, which can't happen until this trade becomes official. The fact that anyone was willing to trade for Felton is a big joke, stick to shark tank Cuban! If the Mavs think this is 2011 Chandler they are surely mistaken. And Calderon at 7MM per for 3 year is much better than having Felton at 4MM...that really goes without saying. He fits the offense.

Thumper 88
06-25-2014, 10:36 PM
Jose at 7.4 will be hard to move if he doesn't work out. Felton can be moved cause Mavs still have 3m in cash considerations

gatkins11
06-25-2014, 10:39 PM
It's not even about the picks lol...PJ is trying to package Larkin and Sammy for a 1st round pick this year now, which can't happen until this trade becomes official. The fact that anyone was willing to trade for Felton is a big joke, stick to shark tank Cuban! If the Mavs think this is 2011 Chandler they are surely mistaken. And Calderon at 7MM per for 3 year is much better than having Felton at 4MM...that really goes without saying. He fits the offense.

Is the whole "can't be traded in combination with any other player" still a thing or no? It's an honest question, I'm not being sarcastic.

Beltrans Mole
06-25-2014, 10:47 PM
Is the whole "can't be traded in combination with any other player" still a thing or no? It's an honest question, I'm not being sarcastic.

I had the same question but members in the Knicks forum have been saying that it is possible for what its worth.

Mr.B
06-25-2014, 10:54 PM
Could be a win-win trade for both teams. A healthy Chandler probably adds a few wins for the Mavs and the Knicks get some much-needed youth and a little help with their cap situation. I examined the trade and what it means for both teams here: http://freeagentzero.com/2014/06/25/examining-the-tyson-chandler-trade/
This is the way I see it. obviously the Knicks get younger, and get some money off the books this year. Dalembert's contract is very tradable or they could just buy him out. Also in spite of what some of you think Calderon is actually a pretty good PG. He doesn't turn the ball over and he's a good shooter. He also has a high basketball IQ. Now I'm not saying he's Chris Paul or Tony Parker but he is a good solid PG.

And for the Mavs they get an upgrade over Dalembert. Chandler loves it in Dallas, is good friends with Dirk, and won a title here so motivation won't be a factor for him. Plus he has an expiring contract so he'll be an asset at the trade deadline. The Mavs also acquired him without touching their cap space. As for Felton, I honestly don't know much about him. Haven't seen him play much. All I do know is that Carlisle, Cuban, and Donnie Nelson tried to acquire him about 2 years ago. Carlisle likes him for some reason. Carlisle also had a history of helping young troubled players turn their careers around, Chauncy Billups is an example.

cssdmark
06-25-2014, 10:56 PM
Looks like Melo isnt staying now, why would the Knicks make this move in an attempt to keep Melo? You get a better starting PG but lose defense

Phil does not want to pay Melo max.

Mr.B
06-25-2014, 11:07 PM
I wanted the Knicks to draft Larkin last season...I have no idea how he was during his brief time on the court this yr...any Mavs fan want to give a report?
I remember him having one good game and a good play here and there. He really never got off the bench except in garbage time. That's not really his fault though because Carlisle doesn't like to play rookies. I think he can be a decent backup PG but nothing more. He's tiny too so his defense will always be suspect.

Hawkamania
06-25-2014, 11:11 PM
Now the Knicks have Barry Larkin's son and Tim Hardaway's son..... Makes me feel old :(

That makes two of us.

jason17
06-25-2014, 11:35 PM
Melo might stay in NY imo .

KobeOwnSU
06-26-2014, 12:03 AM
I think its a good trade for both the Mavs and Knicks. It is small trades like this that are part of a bigger plan that we cannot see. You can't look at trades like this in the moment we have to let the entire off season and even next season play through.

Nikeman
06-26-2014, 12:09 AM
Wish there were some updates on where Dalembert and Larkin may be moved from the Knicks.

Hope Miami is in that discussion offering the 26th

Enzo
06-26-2014, 12:25 AM
Solid move by the Knicks and the Mavs get back their favorite center.

Felton is probably the worst starting PG in the league and it looked like we were stuck with him. Just being able to get rid of him was a small miracle in itself.

When it comes down to Chandler, he's definitely not the same player that he was a few years ago. Obviously us Knick fans watch more Knick games then everyone else, so we have a more in depth evaluation of his current state of play. He always plays hard but he isn't the defensive juggernaut that most people seem to think he is. Also his offense is almost non existent unless he catching an alley oop. I wish him the best, but he's declining quickly and is becoming injury prone.

Mr.B
06-26-2014, 01:04 AM
Solid move by the Knicks and the Mavs get back their favorite center.

Felton is probably the worst starting PG in the league and it looked like we were stuck with him. Just being able to get rid of him was a small miracle in itself.

When it comes down to Chandler, he's definitely not the same player that he was a few years ago. Obviously us Knick fans watch more Knick games then everyone else, so we have a more in depth evaluation of his current state of play. He always plays hard but he isn't the defensive juggernaut that most people seem to think he is. Also his offense is almost non existent unless he catching an alley oop. I wish him the best, but he's declining quickly and is becoming injury prone.
The Mavs won't need Chandler to score. They just need him to protect the rim, get some blocks, grab a few offensive rebounds, and catch an alley dunk a few times a game. Dirk and Monte Ellis will do the bulk of the scoring, and Melo if he decides to sign in Dallas.

FOXHOUND
06-26-2014, 01:15 AM
This is a win-win trade. It works out well for both teams for what they need.

NYKNYGNYY
06-26-2014, 01:49 AM
Now they're looking to trade dalembert and Larkin ... Larkin was my favorite peice from the trade if rather them trade dalembert n Josehopefully they get a first round pick maybe from okc the 21st tbey could use a big man and if Jackson leaves Jose would be a great pick and dalembert may be a upgrade over perk....maybe they can do a s&t for Reggie Jackson

NYKNYGNYY
06-26-2014, 01:50 AM
Wish there were some updates on where Dalembert and Larkin may be moved from the Knicks.

Hope Miami is in that discussion offering the 26th


There is but I'm sure they can grt a better pick maybe okc does it for the 21st

Hawkamania
06-26-2014, 01:51 AM
This is a win-win trade. It works out well for both teams for what they need.

As a Knicks fan, I completely agree.

FOXHOUND
06-26-2014, 01:55 AM
As a Knicks fan, I completely agree.

Let's hope Phil can dump Jose before that $7.7M in 2016. Should be able to, in an expiring year that's pretty easy to move. Short term we have a better version of Pablo to start in front of Pablo lol. Jose and Pablo!

Looking at it the next two years Calderon's net cap hit is only $2.5M and $3M because of Felton's $4.5M each year. Really can't complain about that, it's that $7.7M in 2016 that's the stickler.

ThuglifeJ
06-26-2014, 02:07 AM
I don't think any Mav fan is expecting a 2011 Tyson Chandler... However, Mavs fans ARE expecting an upgrade from Dalembert.

In that sense, I think it's a win no question. Really Felton, Larkin, Ellington are just all washes/throw ins..Don't think it matters. Knicks will be happy about Calderon and Mavs will be happy about Chandler. Win win great trade. Dalembert really isn't that bad either if the Knicks decide to use him. He was probably my favorite Mavs center after Chandler... I mean not hard after watching Haywood, Dampier, Bradley, Kaman...

cssdmark
06-26-2014, 02:27 AM
Dalmbert is not going to be the center on this team, Phil wants Marc Gasol in the triangle next year and that will be perfect. I think Phil wants to draft a Patric a Young out of Florida to be our power forward of the future, someone big, strong, wide and atheletic to guard the likes of Lebron. I cannot see Larkin staying as Phil likes big Guards. I can see dal beret getting moved to OKC with cash for one of their first or some other team that needs a cheap center. It says Phil is trying to move both in separate deals but it appears Calderon will be kept.

ThuglifeJ
06-26-2014, 02:33 AM
Lol, just read through more pages. Can't wait for the Knicks fans to be *****ing about how Larkin isn't playing and then he finally starts playing and then get to read Knicks fans *****ing about how he's so little and sucky.

Seriously don't know why he gets any talk whatsoever. He's 5'5"

Mr.B
06-26-2014, 03:31 AM
I don't think any Mav fan is expecting a 2011 Tyson Chandler... However, Mavs fans ARE expecting an upgrade from Dalembert.

In that sense, I think it's a win no question. Really Felton, Larkin, Ellington are just all washes/throw ins..Don't think it matters. Knicks will be happy about Calderon and Mavs will be happy about Chandler. Win win great trade. Dalembert really isn't that bad either if the Knicks decide to use him. He was probably my favorite Mavs center after Chandler... I mean not hard after watching Haywood, Dampier, Bradley, Kaman...
I'm hoping that he ends up getting bought out by the Knicks or whoever they trade him to. I'd like to see the Mavs sign him as a backup to Chandler.

CityofChaos
06-26-2014, 03:48 AM
Did the Mavs really have to send those picks though? This might be Phil Jacksons 1st of probably many good moves (or second if you consider the Fisher hiring good, but we'll just have to wait and see). Calderon is an efficient scorer and good passer, and Dalemberts' defense is needed. This should make the Knicks better next season depending on what happens with Melo.

DRose7
06-26-2014, 03:59 AM
Let's hope Phil can dump Jose before that $7.7M in 2016. Should be able to, in an expiring year that's pretty easy to move. Short term we have a better version of Pablo to start in front of Pablo lol. Jose and Pablo!

Looking at it the next two years Calderon's net cap hit is only $2.5M and $3M because of Felton's $4.5M each year. Really can't complain about that, it's that $7.7M in 2016 that's the stickler.

Lol where did you get that from Calderon is making, 7.1, 7.4, and 7.7 million for the next 3 years…nevertheless I don't think 7 million is that much, he's a good players, probably a mid-level exception salary player, but he's not too overpaid like Amare.

FraziersKnicks
06-26-2014, 06:03 AM
For once the Knicks are on the good side of a trade :dance:

We shed Felton's awful contract and although we add a little bit more money with Calderon he is light years ahead of Felton and a perfect fit for the triangle. He adds about $2.5m to the payroll but at the same time we free up Tyson's huge deal and get out of $29m of that for a broken down center who can't stay healthy. We also get a good prospect who people are high on around the league in Larkin and practically a late first rounder in the deepest draft in a long time with the 34th pick.

The financial freedom we get from getting rid of Tyson gives us a lot more flexibility, and I guarantee this won't be the final roster going into opening day. There's no way of looking at this trade without saying the Knicks won, but because it's the Knicks people will find a way.

NYKnickFanatic
06-26-2014, 06:57 AM
Lol, just read through more pages. Can't wait for the Knicks fans to be *****ing about how Larkin isn't playing and then he finally starts playing and then get to read Knicks fans *****ing about how he's so little and sucky.

Seriously don't know why he gets any talk whatsoever. He's 5'5"

He doesn't have Nate Robinson potential?

Don't know much about him, other than he is young and athletic lol.

FOXHOUND
06-26-2014, 08:30 AM
Lol where did you get that from Calderon is making, 7.1, 7.4, and 7.7 million for the next 3 years…nevertheless I don't think 7 million is that much, he's a good players, probably a mid-level exception salary player, but he's not too overpaid like Amare.

Where did I get what? Yeah, Calderon is $7.1M, $7.4M and $7.7M. Felton makes $4.5M the next two seasons, so dumping him in the process and replacing him with Calderon makes his net cap hit for the Knicks $2.6M and $2.9M the next two seasons. His making $7M the next two years isn't an issue, cause they had to pay the worst PG in the league $4.5M before the trade. I assume that's what you meant.

They also added Shane Larkin, who makes $1.6M the next two years, but I don't expect him to be on the roster much longer.

Thumper 88
06-26-2014, 08:39 AM
All you knick fans feel good about Jose and building a team around him?

cssdmark
06-26-2014, 08:43 AM
All you knick fans feel good about Jose and building a team around him?

We are not building a team around Calderon and I do not believe Dallas is building a team around Chandler or Felton.

FraziersKnicks
06-26-2014, 08:44 AM
All you knick fans feel good about Jose and building a team around him?

Yes, because that is exactly who we are going to build a team around... :facepalm:

Crackadalic
06-26-2014, 08:52 AM
All you knick fans feel good about Jose and building a team around him?

You seriously think we are building around a 34 year old pg. Please tell me your joking

ManningToTyree
06-26-2014, 09:18 AM
Larkin isn't 5'5 and they aren't building around Calderon. He just fits in the system and phill and fish can groom Larkin to do the same

Thumper 88
06-26-2014, 09:31 AM
We are not building a team around Calderon and I do not believe Dallas is building a team around Chandler or Felton.
Why would Dallas build a team around them? They have Dirk & Monta to build around.

That was a silly response

Thumper 88
06-26-2014, 09:35 AM
Yes, because that is exactly who we are going to build a team around... :facepalm:


You seriously think we are building around a 34 year old pg. Please tell me your joking

Right that's my point.. Knicks have Jose for 3 more years at about 7.6 per.. And I keep reading a lot of nyk fans posts about how Jose and Larkin (lol) are going to change things for the better.

So then who are the knicks going to build around? If it's not Jose then why the hell did they take him and that contract?

GiantsSwaGG
06-26-2014, 09:41 AM
Why would Dallas build a team around them? They have Dirk & Monta to build around.

That was a silly response

Yeah because Dirk has another 10 yrs in him and Monta is a superstar...

GiantsSwaGG
06-26-2014, 09:44 AM
Right that's my point.. Knicks have Jose for 3 more years at about 7.6 per.. And I keep reading a lot of nyk fans posts about how Jose and Larkin (lol) are going to change things for the better.

So then who are the knicks going to build around? If it's not Jose then why the hell did they take him and that contract?

You do realize they're trying to trade Larkin for picks, and keep I'm mind you're acting if we don't get a stud PG, Calderon can't be a quality back up. And Jose can't be traded if he has a down year? I guess you didn't notice we have you guy a fat PG who might be the worst PG in the NBA. Funny thing ppl thought we couldn't trade him

ManRam
06-26-2014, 09:50 AM
Did the Mavs really have to send those picks though? This might be Phil Jacksons 1st of probably many good moves (or second if you consider the Fisher hiring good, but we'll just have to wait and see). Calderon is an efficient scorer and good passer, and Dalemberts' defense is needed. This should make the Knicks better next season depending on what happens with Melo.

At 34 there's more of a chance that a player's career either doesn't even get started in the NBA or fizzles out after a year or two. At 51 there's a 50% chance the player never steps on an NBA court (old data from 82games, but it's probably very similar today). I know Knicks fans are happy to have picks, but the odds of them hitting on either of them are very very low.

It also sounds like they aren't planning on keeping Sammy.

And nothing about Shane Larkin's rookie season was encouraging.


It's a good trade for them because of finances. That's more or less it. If they get anything out of Larkin or the two picks it's a bonus, but I wouldn't bank on it a ton. Maybe they can package 34 and Larkin to move up into the late 20s?

Thumper 88
06-26-2014, 10:01 AM
At 34 there's more of a chance that a player's career either doesn't even get started in the NBA or fizzles out after a year or two. At 51 there's a 50% chance the player never steps on an NBA court (old data from 82games, but it's probably very similar today). I know Knicks fans are happy to have picks, but the odds of them hitting on either of them are very very low.

It also sounds like they aren't planning on keeping Sammy.

And nothing about Shane Larkin's rookie season was encouraging.


It's a good trade for them because of finances. That's more or less it. If they get anything out of Larkin or the two picks it's a bonus, but I wouldn't bank on it a ton. Maybe they can package 34 and Larkin to move up into the late 20s?
I think you nailed it.

Trade works out for both teams

mudvayne387
06-26-2014, 10:08 AM
Let me say one last thing. This move is also about changing the Knicks culture. It's about getting rid of a player in Felton who for whatever reason just didn't get it. Want to play with guns and eat pizza all day ? Fine, but do it somewhere else.

I suspect JR Smith will be the next player Phil Jackson tries to part ways with. There is no room for low IQ, me first players on a championship team. And although the Knicks are a long ways away from competing with the big boys, you have to start somewhere.

LongIslandIcedZ
06-26-2014, 11:09 AM
Did the Mavs really have to send those picks though? This might be Phil Jacksons 1st of probably many good moves (or second if you consider the Fisher hiring good, but we'll just have to wait and see). Calderon is an efficient scorer and good passer, and Dalemberts' defense is needed. This should make the Knicks better next season depending on what happens with Melo.

At 34 there's more of a chance that a player's career either doesn't even get started in the NBA or fizzles out after a year or two. At 51 there's a 50% chance the player never steps on an NBA court (old data from 82games, but it's probably very similar today). I know Knicks fans are happy to have picks, but the odds of them hitting on either of them are very very low.

It also sounds like they aren't planning on keeping Sammy.

And nothing about Shane Larkin's rookie season was encouraging.


It's a good trade for them because of finances. That's more or less it. If they get anything out of Larkin or the two picks it's a bonus, but I wouldn't bank on it a ton. Maybe they can package 34 and Larkin to move up into the late 20s?

That's what I think their plan is. 34 and 51 aren't anything special (although not useless at all). If they can package those with what they got from Dallas to move into the late teens or early twenties that would be a great move for Phil.

Thumper 88
06-26-2014, 11:14 AM
This trade can either blow up in the Mavs face if Chandler is injured which = Knicks win or this can work out beautifully for the Mavs ala 2011 = Mavs win. Either way this was good move for knick if they believe in Jose

Mr.B
06-26-2014, 11:33 AM
This trade can either blow up in the Mavs face if Chandler is injured which = Knicks win or this can work out beautifully for the Mavs ala 2011 = Mavs win. Either way this was good move for knick if they believe in Jose

Actually even if Chandler is injured again the Mavs still win because that is a huge expiring contract that becomes a huge asset at the trading deadline. Or they could just keep the contract and be major players in free agency again next year.

DarkKnight
06-26-2014, 11:37 AM
Felton aka Krispy Kreme is a Mav, thats all is needed in Knick Land

nycericanguy
06-26-2014, 12:04 PM
Actually even if Chandler is injured again the Mavs still win because that is a huge expiring contract that becomes a huge asset at the trading deadline. Or they could just keep the contract and be major players in free agency again next year.

:rolleyes:

I wish people would stop saying this already, expiring's don't have huge value anymore... this isn't 2010 anymore.

CHI has a huge expiring in Boozer, how much of an asset is that right now? So much of an asset that they are about to amnesty him and pay him $17m to go play somewhere else.

Knicks have Amare & Bargs as expiring's... does anyone think those two contracts are even remotely attractive to anyone?

What did PHO get for Okafor's huge expiring last year? Which was even 80% paid for by insurance making it the mother of all expiring's... oh yea, nothing... no one wanted that contract...

Mr.B
06-26-2014, 12:14 PM
:rolleyes:

I wish people would stop saying this already, expiring's don't have huge value anymore... this isn't 2010 anymore.

CHI has a huge expiring in Boozer, how much of an asset is that right now? So much of an asset that they are about to amnesty him and pay him $17m to go play somewhere else.

Knicks have Amare & Bargs as expiring's... does anyone think those two contracts are even remotely attractive to anyone?

What did PHO get for Okafor's huge expiring last year? Which was even 80% paid for by insurance making it the mother of all expiring's... oh yea, nothing... no one wanted that contract...

Actually they are huge assets for teams small market teams like the Bucks. You don't think they would love to trade Larry Sanders contract that still has something like 4 years on it for an expiring contract?

The reason Chicago is about to amnesty Boozer instead of waiting for the trade deadline and the reason no one wants Amare's or Barg's contracts is because they wanted the cap room for this offseason to make a run at Melo and Labron. At the trade deadline this year you'll see that their contracts will become huge assets.

HYFR
06-26-2014, 12:56 PM
All you knick fans feel good about Jose and building a team around him?

Dumbest post in the thread. Well... I wouldn't get ahead of myself, I'm sure you have some other gems to drop.

jimm120
06-26-2014, 01:00 PM
People don't trade for expirings.

But you DO need expirings often in trades.

That simple. That is where their value is.

PraiseJesus
06-26-2014, 01:19 PM
This forum is LAGGING....

thread title still calls this a rumor???

D-Leethal
06-26-2014, 02:40 PM
:rolleyes:

I wish people would stop saying this already, expiring's don't have huge value anymore... this isn't 2010 anymore.

CHI has a huge expiring in Boozer, how much of an asset is that right now? So much of an asset that they are about to amnesty him and pay him $17m to go play somewhere else.

Knicks have Amare & Bargs as expiring's... does anyone think those two contracts are even remotely attractive to anyone?

What did PHO get for Okafor's huge expiring last year? Which was even 80% paid for by insurance making it the mother of all expiring's... oh yea, nothing... no one wanted that contract...

I don't agree with this at all. Expirings are and will always be valuable when trading for a longer deal. Teams will always be looking to shed contracts and the only way to do that is through expirings. The fact that PHX (a historically cheap team) didn't trade Okafor's insurance-covered contract doesn't mean anything at all with regards to the value of expirings in today's NBA.

nycericanguy
06-26-2014, 02:56 PM
I don't agree with this at all. Expirings are and will always be valuable when trading for a longer deal. Teams will always be looking to shed contracts and the only way to do that is through expirings. The fact that PHX (a historically cheap team) didn't trade Okafor's insurance-covered contract doesn't mean anything at all with regards to the value of expirings in today's NBA.

They have value if you're willing to take back longer, worse contracts yes.

But this idea that expirings are "HUGE ASSETS" is just silly.

Name one good player NY could possibly get back for all their expiring's? You're basically looking at taking other teams trash like Josh Smith or Mcgee.

Captain Moroni
06-26-2014, 03:25 PM
No Knicks fan believes that Jose Calderon is the last piece in a Championship season. Right now without Melo on the roster, none of that even matters. What does matter is inproving the surrounding cast. To lure Melo back to the team, PJ has to upgrade wherever he can. Chandler is a solid center, Delembert is not too far behind him. Not really much of a loss there (With how Tyson played last year) except the HUGE difference in payroll. Both are defensive minded bigs who struggle on offense. Chandler is NOT a triangle offensive center.
Caaalderon, is not an allstar. BUT he is a HUGE upgrade over Felton. We are not expecting a healthy Drose or Rondo, just someone who can run the freaking play.
Dallas gets exactly what they wanted. Its a win win.

Captain Moroni
06-26-2014, 03:26 PM
Expirings have BIG value at the deadline.

flea
06-26-2014, 03:34 PM
Shane Larkin is only promising if he has Pop coaching him and Duncan covering his deficiencies. Good deal for Dallas.

ThuglifeJ
06-26-2014, 03:37 PM
Lol, just read through more pages. Can't wait for the Knicks fans to be *****ing about how Larkin isn't playing and then he finally starts playing and then get to read Knicks fans *****ing about how he's so little and sucky.

Seriously don't know why he gets any talk whatsoever. He's 5'5"

He doesn't have Nate Robinson potential?

Don't know much about him, other than he is young and athletic lol.

Dude not at all I don't know how ppl are picturing that. Don't think he can dunk either man. Not trying to be a dick either, have no reason to hate him..just trying to help get a better picture. I think Calderon will impress all Knicks fans he's awesome. I get upset with every player at certain points of the season. Calderon is the only one to never piss me off

Thumper 88
06-26-2014, 03:54 PM
No Knicks fan believes that Jose Calderon is the last piece in a Championship season. Right now without Melo on the roster, none of that even matters. What does matter is inproving the surrounding cast. To lure Melo back to the team, PJ has to upgrade wherever he can. Chandler is a solid center, Delembert is not too far behind him. Not really much of a loss there (With how Tyson played last year) except the HUGE difference in payroll. Both are defensive minded bigs who struggle on offense. Chandler is NOT a triangle offensive center.
Caaalderon, is not an allstar. BUT he is a HUGE upgrade over Felton. We are not expecting a healthy Drose or Rondo, just someone who can run the freaking play.
Dallas gets exactly what they wanted. Its a win win.

Jose for the most part lost the pg position to Monta and Harris and he was basically a floor spacer @7+m per year.

I think he will do better with the Knicks because he won't have to face the quick gaurds in the west anymore, well at least not as much

Rockice_8
06-26-2014, 04:36 PM
Seems like both teams got what they want. Knicks got some late picks and a young player while landing a vet PG who fits the triangle.

Dal got the best player in the deal when he's motivated and healthy (tough to be motivated on last years Knicks team) to pair with Dirk for a last run while dumping future salary.

After all the throw ins/crap it boils down to Calderon #34 for Chandler. Not a bad deal from either perspective.

mudvayne387
06-26-2014, 04:52 PM
Shane Larkin is only promising if he has Pop coaching him and Duncan covering his deficiencies. Good deal for Dallas.

Yes because Larkin was the centerpiece of the deal. GTFO with that non sense ...

Beltrans Mole
06-26-2014, 05:02 PM
Seems like both teams got what they want. Knicks got some late picks and a young player while landing a vet PG who fits the triangle.

Dal got the best player in the deal when he's motivated and healthy (tough to be motivated on last years Knicks team) to pair with Dirk for a last run while dumping future salary.

After all the throw ins/crap it boils down to Calderon #34 for Chandler. Not a bad deal from either perspective.

It's arguable if Chandler is even the best player in the deal...the guy had a real down year and isn't getting any younger.

flea
06-26-2014, 05:11 PM
Yes because Larkin was the centerpiece of the deal. GTFO with that non sense ...

I guess I should have also said that it's not a bad one for the Knicks. They get rid of someone everyone in NYC hates and their overpaid center who still has value, albeit only to a contending team. Calderon is nice, but he too is overpaid. At least he has skills that likely won't deteriorate much.

NBA_Starter
06-26-2014, 10:55 PM
PJ is not playing around here..

mudvayne387
06-26-2014, 11:16 PM
I guess I should have also said that it's not a bad one for the Knicks. They get rid of someone everyone in NYC hates and their overpaid center who still has value, albeit only to a contending team. Calderon is nice, but he too is overpaid. At least he has skills that likely won't deteriorate much.

You just made it sound like Larkin was the focal point of the trade when he was merely a throw in.

Hawkamania
06-26-2014, 11:57 PM
The Cleanthony Early pick made me like this trade even more than I already did. The Thanasis pick was a solid addition as well.

Mr.B
06-27-2014, 12:31 AM
They have value if you're willing to take back longer, worse contracts yes.

But this idea that expirings are "HUGE ASSETS" is just silly.

Name one good player NY could possibly get back for all their expiring's? You're basically looking at taking other teams trash like Josh Smith or Mcgee.
I actually already named a team and player that could be had. Larry Sanders for the Bucks. He's a very good young defensive player, and he's a center/power forward. He does come with warts but he's a very good defensive player. He also had like 4 years left on his deal. Because of his issues off the court the Bucks would love to get rid of that contract.