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Procision
06-24-2014, 09:27 AM
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Mr. Baller
06-24-2014, 09:30 AM
what a shocking development

NYKnickFanatic
06-24-2014, 09:32 AM
Hello Cleveland.

Asik's better
06-24-2014, 09:33 AM
And let the speculation begin. Can't wait for the 40 threads to be made about every rumor.

THE MTL
06-24-2014, 09:33 AM
Lebron wants that MAX contract.

FYL_McVeezy
06-24-2014, 09:35 AM
Nothing to see here.....

LBJ, Wade, Bosh opt out....

LBJ gets the max or somewhere near the max....

Wade 4yrs 55mil, Bosh around the same....

Riley uses that flexibility to retool the roster..

king4day
06-24-2014, 09:37 AM
This isn't a surprise. Rumors that Wade will sign a cheaper deal and now this. I'm sure we'll hear that Bosh has opted out very soon too.
If Bosh opts out, there's no way LeBron goes anywhere else. If he doesn't though, then let the rumors begin.

Jarvo
06-24-2014, 09:37 AM
Ehh he's still gonna stay in Miami.

mightybosstone
06-24-2014, 09:39 AM
He's clearly coming to Houston. /thread

BALLER R
06-24-2014, 09:43 AM
Lebron isn't taking a pay cut. But realistically what can the heat do to prove to him they have enough to win again? serious question. Melo is out of their price range and I don't see them getting Lowry either.

InRoseWeTrust
06-24-2014, 09:44 AM
He's obviously going to Toronto. The writing has been on the wall for months.

siix
06-24-2014, 09:46 AM
He's obviously going to Toronto. The writing has been on the wall for months.

lol

siix
06-24-2014, 09:48 AM
he's staying miami

GiantsSwaGG
06-24-2014, 09:54 AM
He's going to the Pelicans. BOOK IT

JLynn943
06-24-2014, 09:54 AM
King James wants to finally be a (Sacramento) King


Right? :sigh:

LongIslandIcedZ
06-24-2014, 09:56 AM
This is nothing unexpected.

If Wade opts in, than I'll talk about where LeBron is headed.

Thumper 88
06-24-2014, 09:57 AM
He wants to be partners with Cuban

ManRam
06-24-2014, 10:00 AM
Stunning!

torocan
06-24-2014, 10:07 AM
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 26m

LeBron James will opt-out of deal, source confirms. He's determined to impose pressure on Miami to improve roster and spend, sources say.

https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA


Yah, I wouldn't bet on Lebron staying right now. He wants to SEE Arison and Riley actually sign help before he commits to coming back. He's holding Miami's feet to the fire and saying, "Show me..."

Now we get to find out how badly Arison REALLY wants Lebron to stay and whether Riley can back up the talk...

xxcubs22xx
06-24-2014, 10:10 AM
Come to Chicago and be a part of the East's next Big 3

GunFactor187
06-24-2014, 10:13 AM
Meh, overblown media news "story". No shocker.

1_team_1_dream
06-24-2014, 10:13 AM
his coming to the knicks phill has inside track. melo playing wade 4 years ago. phill playing pat .

NYKnickFanatic
06-24-2014, 10:18 AM
Meh, overblown media news "story". No shocker.

Bad *** sig. What a team that was.

ChicagoFan4Eva
06-24-2014, 10:19 AM
and it begins.. Melo was causing too much attention.. Leflop wanted in on it.

KnickNyKnick
06-24-2014, 10:21 AM
so when is the next espn "The Decision episode"?

BALLER R
06-24-2014, 10:22 AM
his coming to the knicks phill has inside track. melo playing wade 4 years ago. phill playing pat .

lol expect Knicks don't have cap space

Jarvo
06-24-2014, 10:23 AM
If he leaves that's where the fun is at lol


But he stays.

prodigy
06-24-2014, 10:24 AM
This isn't a surprise. Rumors that Wade will sign a cheaper deal and now this. I'm sure we'll hear that Bosh has opted out very soon too.
If Bosh opts out, there's no way LeBron goes anywhere else. If he doesn't though, then let the rumors begin.

You can do that without opting out. Also would make more since if he's staying in Miami to opt in SO he can still have an opt out cause next season if things don't go right.

Also lebron won't and shouldn't take a pay cut. He's the best player in the league and complained before about being underpayed. Wade and bosh on the other hand aren't worth 10 mill.

This doesn't say he's leaving heat, but like I said if he was staying would a been smarter to just opt in.

LOOTERX9
06-24-2014, 10:25 AM
garauntees melo plays with lebron some place next season

Captain Moroni
06-24-2014, 10:25 AM
Lebron to Cleveland. Book it

Jarvo
06-24-2014, 10:27 AM
Watching ESPN, Lebron better not dare go to Chi Town that is way too much pressure!

ABOMB_56
06-24-2014, 10:27 AM
This isn't a surprise. Rumors that Wade will sign a cheaper deal and now this. I'm sure we'll hear that Bosh has opted out very soon too.
If Bosh opts out, there's no way LeBron goes anywhere else. If he doesn't though, then let the rumors begin.

You can do that without opting out. Also would make more since if he's staying in Miami to opt in SO he can still have an opt out cause next season if things don't go right.

Also lebron won't and shouldn't take a pay cut. He's the best player in the league and complained before about being underpayed. Wade and bosh on the other hand aren't worth 10 mill.

This doesn't say he's leaving heat, but like I said if he was staying would a been smarter to just opt in.

Except he has been on record saying he would take a paycut if and only if that money was used on talent to retool their roster. Maybe the 30M he got from Beats changes his mind on wanting a max deal?

sager729
06-24-2014, 10:28 AM
LBJ to the Clippers and Paul throws 38 alley oops per game. Video game style.

ink
06-24-2014, 10:29 AM
so when is the next espn "The Decision episode"?

It would not be a surprise if he had a Decision II.

ChicagoFan4Eva
06-24-2014, 10:30 AM
Watching ESPN, Lebron better not dare go to Chi Town that is way too much pressure!

We would expect 10 rings. No less. He can't even handle pressure in Miami. Why on earth would he dare to step in Michael's shadow lol.. Chicago media would eat him alive if he didnt win one.

Vinny642
06-24-2014, 10:31 AM
Welcome to the Pelicans

bootsy
06-24-2014, 10:32 AM
Melo and Lebron going to the Sixers. LOL

TrAv=MaGiCfReAk
06-24-2014, 10:33 AM
I hope he goes back to Cleveland personally

GunFactor187
06-24-2014, 10:37 AM
Bad *** sig. What a team that was.

Thanks brah! Definitely miss that team for sure.

force_within
06-24-2014, 10:38 AM
he wants to play with Timmy..

Uncle Chuck
06-24-2014, 10:38 AM
So how are the Heat supposed to use the additional 15m in cap space to get better? If all three opt out, the only remaining players under contract are Cole and Haslam.

They need replacements for Battier, Lewis, Allen, Chalmers and Birdman. This FA crop isn't that impressive.

DRose01
06-24-2014, 10:45 AM
Wouldn't be smart to go West with the amount of competitive teams they have. Realistically his options should just be staying in Miami, going to Chicago, or going back to Cleveland.

1_team_1_dream
06-24-2014, 10:46 AM
well did the heat have cap space 4 years ago? no

ManRam
06-24-2014, 10:48 AM
It would not be a surprise if he had a Decision II.

I would literally bet my life that he doesn't.



This is neither news nor shocking. It's the right move for LeBron all across the board. Puts pressure on the Heat to make some much needed improvements all the while keeping his options open. There's no reason for him not to, and there was never a chance he wasn't going to opt out either.

Unfortunately for Miami, I'm not so sure of how they can really get markedly better.

raiderfaninTX
06-24-2014, 10:49 AM
We would expect 10 rings. No less. He can't even handle pressure in Miami. Why on earth would he dare to step in Michael's shadow lol.. Chicago media would eat him alive if he didnt win one.

Well you're not going to the finals as long as he's in the east so I would think the bulls would want him. Or you can go out and get the chuck master himself Mello.

torocan
06-24-2014, 10:49 AM
he wants to play with Timmy..

I would die from laughter if Lebron took less money to go to the SPURS....

I can just imagine how Pops would view the gaggle of reporters that would be stalking Lebron and the Spurs. :)

NYKNYGNYY
06-24-2014, 10:49 AM
i bet he resings with the heat for a 3 year 48 mil.....maybe a little more so they can sign a few free agents...i think its kinda messed up cus theyre trying to get more superstars..unbelievable

d00d
06-24-2014, 10:51 AM
It is hilarious for Bulls fans to even think he would come to Chicago. It is like World Wide Wes bull **** all over again.

koreancabbage
06-24-2014, 10:53 AM
really hope Lebron and/or Melo go to LA. I want to see Kobe fans sweating bullets and even some change allegiances lol that would be some **** show for sure.

ChicagoFan4Eva
06-24-2014, 10:54 AM
Well you're not going to the finals as long as he's in the east so I would think the bulls would want him. Or you can go out and get the chuck master himself Mello.

Maybe you're right or maybe you're wrong. With Melo, we have a higher chance of getting there.

Crackadalic
06-24-2014, 10:54 AM
really hope Lebron and/or Melo go to LA. I want to see Kobe fans sweating bullets and even some change allegiances lol that would be some **** show for sure.

Kobe/lebron/melo the lulz on who gets the last shot between them

NYKnickFanatic
06-24-2014, 10:56 AM
Kobe/lebron/melo the lulz on who gets the last shot between them

Not LeBron.

ChicagoFan4Eva
06-24-2014, 10:59 AM
Kobe/lebron/melo the lulz on who gets the last shot between them

I'd still trust Kobe in last shot situations.

mgjohnson7851
06-24-2014, 10:59 AM
Maybe you're right or maybe you're wrong. With Melo, we have a higher chance of getting there.
you're not serious right? melo would tear that team apart.

Wade n Fade
06-24-2014, 11:00 AM
Even bigger news, Joel Anthony has opted in to remain a Celtic.

Goose17
06-24-2014, 11:01 AM
People do realise he's doing this to negotiate a better deal with Miami right? Get over it, he's going nowhere.

koreancabbage
06-24-2014, 11:02 AM
i bet he resings with the heat for a 3 year 48 mil.....maybe a little more so they can sign a few free agents...i think its kinda messed up cus theyre trying to get more superstars..unbelievable

1) Bosh and Wade aren't superstars anymore.
2) Even if you don't like them teaming up together, its still some pretty good basketball that they play.
3) East is still weak, so they'll surely get into the at least the conference finals.

They need consistent performances from their role players i.e. Wade and Bosh. They showed how vunerable the Heat the can be when they disappear from the game, even when Lebron was trying to get them in the game at the expense of his own offense.

a. they can add depth
b. they can add another star player

I'm not a Heat fan compared to a Lebron fan but i do like watching them play when they are all playing great.

xxplayerxx23
06-24-2014, 11:04 AM
Lebron to the Knicks :laugh2: :laugh:

QueensG_718
06-24-2014, 11:05 AM
Hes going to the wnba

ChicagoFan4Eva
06-24-2014, 11:06 AM
you're not serious right? melo would tear that team apart.

I trust the Bulls front office to not follow in the footsteps of gutting our whole team for one player but if they can simply ADD melo somehow without giving up too much. I believe that we can contend.

Rose
Butler
Melo
Gibson
Noah

if that's possible, it would be legit... Especially in the Easy East

I honestly would rather have Love but that's just me.

ChicagoFan4Eva
06-24-2014, 11:07 AM
Lebron to the Knicks :laugh2: :laugh:

I don't think he was MSG pressure. I hope he goes back to the Cavs.

IDunknown
06-24-2014, 11:07 AM
Melo opt out = definitely leaving
Lebron opt out = definitely staying

koreancabbage
06-24-2014, 11:09 AM
Not LeBron.

correct, but the pass that would set up Melo or Kobe would come from Lebron.

and I'd trust Melo more than Kobe on last second shots as, last time i checked, clutch shots go to Melo.

ChicagoFan4Eva
06-24-2014, 11:09 AM
Melo opt out = definitely leaving
Lebron opt out = definitely staying

sounds about right..

QueensG_718
06-24-2014, 11:10 AM
Melo opt out = definitely leaving
Lebron opt out = definitely staying

Exactly lol I remember melo wasn't even top 10 in peoples eyes. Now hes top 3 being that hes a free agent.

ChicagoFan4Eva
06-24-2014, 11:10 AM
correct, but the pass that would set up Melo or Kobe would come from Lebron.

and I'd trust Melo more than Kobe on last second shots as, last time i checked, clutch shots go to Melo.

You right you right

Jarvo
06-24-2014, 11:10 AM
We would expect 10 rings. No less. He can't even handle pressure in Miami. Why on earth would he dare to step in Michael's shadow lol.. Chicago media would eat him alive if he didnt win one.

Real Talk and from everyone else lol

jmaest
06-24-2014, 11:12 AM
Hes going to the wnba

^ This.

Jarvo
06-24-2014, 11:13 AM
What if Lebron opt out so teams can clear up space to release and trade players just so teams can get weaker and/or to have more players to choose from as free agents just to join The Heat!?!? :jumpy:

Jarvo
06-24-2014, 11:17 AM
I trust the Bulls front office to not follow in the footsteps of gutting our whole team for one player but if they can simply ADD melo somehow without giving up too much. I believe that we can contend.

Rose
Butler
Melo
Gibson
Noah

if that's possible, it would be legit... Especially in the Easy East

I honestly would rather have Love but that's just me.


Thats enough to get you guys to The finals and maybe even win, Idk why people think Melo will mess that up lol no way in hell Rose & Noah let thy happen. I just hope you guys keep Butler he is awesome on defense and would need him.

ChicagoFan4Eva
06-24-2014, 11:18 AM
What if Lebron opt out so teams can clear up space to release and trade players just so teams can get weaker and/or to have more players to choose from as free agents just to join The Heat!?!? :jumpy:

2010 flashback

ChicagoFan4Eva
06-24-2014, 11:19 AM
Thats enough to get you guys to The finals and maybe even win, Idk why people think Melo woll mess that up lol no way in hell Rose & Noah let thy happen.

I respect your post but in the Easy East, that's enough to get to the Finals.

jmaest
06-24-2014, 11:20 AM
My personal opinion is that he stays in Miami whether he wants to or not. I know there's general excitement after something like this happens but the media would just destroy Lebron if he goes to any team--even Cleveland.

Do you honestly think he goes back to Cleveland now and acts like everything is going to be great? After leaving to win two titles with Wade & Bush people will absolutely bash him for not staying and building the franchise back up.

And what happens to his legacy if he never wins a title in Cleveland?

IMO his legacy is only protected if he stays in Miami and I think he cares about that. I believe he's going to stay in Miami.

Having said that, I wouldn't be shocked if he does go somewhere else. He's shown that he does lack a little common sense so I can see him leaving to another team and talking about needing help to win or being insulted by the franchise or some other ridiculous excuse. It would be nauseating but I can see it happening.

NJrockPD
06-24-2014, 11:20 AM
What team will all the Heat fans like next?

Jarvo
06-24-2014, 11:22 AM
I respect your post but in the Easy East, that's enough to get to the Finals.

All depends on you guys bench and if Rose is indeed 100%

Xplicit
06-24-2014, 11:24 AM
I think he will comeback to Cleveland

C - Hawes, Gortat, Zeller
PF - Thompson, Bennet, Varejao
SF - James, Wiggins, Karasev
SG - Waiters, Delladova, Miles
PG - Irving, Jack

Crackadalic
06-24-2014, 11:27 AM
correct, but the pass that would set up Melo or Kobe would come from Lebron.

and I'd trust Melo more than Kobe on last second shots as, last time i checked, clutch shots go to Melo.

Melo has been 1-15 in game tying or game winners. Only thing is all of those situations were under Woodson.

Jarvo
06-24-2014, 11:27 AM
I think he will comeback to Cleveland

C - Hawes, Gortat, Zeller
PF - Thompson, Bennet, Varejao
SF - James, Wiggins, Karasev
SG - Waiters, Delladova, Miles
PG - Irving, Jack

If Cleveland wasn't cursed yeah he would

Vinny642
06-24-2014, 11:27 AM
As long as they still have Wade I am no longer scared of them in the East, even if they get Melo in this offseason, of course since the East is as bad as they are, they'll make the Finals but Melo and the Playoffs... LMAO that is a good joke. And Wade is just getting even older, unhealthier, and just a waste of court space at this point. Once refs stop giving him calls, he'll be pretty useless.

RaiderLakersA's
06-24-2014, 11:28 AM
Opting out isn't the surprise. Not staying in Miami would be.

RaiderLakersA's
06-24-2014, 11:31 AM
What team will all the Heat fans like next?

Most have probably already jumped onto the Spurs bandwagon. Didn't you know they were Pop's people all along?

ILLUSIONIST^248
06-24-2014, 11:34 AM
Lolololol

ILLUSIONIST^248
06-24-2014, 11:39 AM
Lebron can not leave to chase rings with another superstar or he'll confirm his spot as the biggest clown in sports history.

smith&wesson
06-24-2014, 11:47 AM
Imagine Melo and Lebron joined up... don't know what team, but imagine they did. I can see something like that happening.

smith&wesson
06-24-2014, 11:48 AM
Lebron can not leave to chase rings with another superstar or he'll confirm his spot as the biggest clown in sports history.

he's got that Robert Horry in him, he just don't care.. lol

Dade County
06-24-2014, 11:52 AM
As long as they still have Wade I am no longer scared of them in the East, even if they get Melo in this offseason, of course since the East is as bad as they are, they'll make the Finals but Melo and the Playoffs... LMAO that is a good joke. And Wade is just getting even older, unhealthier, and just a waste of court space at this point. Once refs stop giving him calls, he'll be pretty useless.


:laugh2:

I mean it is sooo easy to manipulate the masses, that I just have to clap and sit back and be astonished.

I can't believe it is that simple... Wade had good series until he played the Spurs, but the spurs really had no one that could check Wade (Pacers have better D, and Wade had a better series against them); and no one can put two and two together.

Now a poster just typed, that it doesn't matter if the HEAT add Melo or whoever, as long as they have Wade on the team, they are not a threat... :laugh:

So now most of the public/Nba fans will not get upset if the HEAT do add Malo and other good players, because the HEAT role players looked like trash the last time the masses saw them play; this is easy.

:laugh2:

RaiderLakersA's
06-24-2014, 11:55 AM
he's got that Robert Horry in him, he just don't care.. lol

It worked out nicely for Big Shot Bob. It's great to be the man, but sometimes it's also great to be the man that's standing next to the man.

jammastershake
06-24-2014, 11:55 AM
There is one team lerking in the weeds, who is the only team that can offer two max contracts right now......

MCW
Wiggins
LeBron
Melo
Noel

I'm just saying....

IDunknown
06-24-2014, 12:00 PM
^^^Dade County... Danny Green is a really good defender. They put him on Westbrook and he's quicker than Wade.

therealwd27
06-24-2014, 12:01 PM
Anyone else thinks Melo goes to the Heat

ILLUSIONIST^248
06-24-2014, 12:06 PM
Anyone else thinks Melo goes to the Heat

Wade and bosh would have to opt out.

mightybosstone
06-24-2014, 12:12 PM
Anyone else thinks Melo goes to the Heat

I think that's a real, albeit unlikely possibility, but some people would have to take pay cuts in the process. Right now, just with Bosh, Wade, Haslem and Cole, they're looking at roughly $47 million, which is awful. That gives them roughly $16 million to work with before hitting the cap. Melo COULD sign for the $16 million and then Lebron could still get his max thanks to his Bird rights, but then Miami is paying roughly $85 million for six players or roughly $8 million over the estimated luxury tax line for this season.

The likeliest way this would happen would be both Bosh and Wade opting out to take less money. If they both opted out and decided to take maybe $10 million a season instead, that would give Miami $20 million more to work with. Melo and Lebron could still each make about $20 million a year and they'd have a little more flexibility to work with before getting killed by luxury tax penalties.

Still, I think it's not the likeliest scenario. For it to work, either Miami's front office would have to tax a MAJOR hit in terms of luxury tax penalties the next few years or at least two of those players will have to take significant pay cuts. It could happen, but I wouldn't bet on it.

jmaest
06-24-2014, 12:22 PM
There is one team lerking in the weeds, who is the only team that can offer two max contracts right now......

MCW
Wiggins
LeBron
Melo
Noel

I'm just saying....

I'm lost. The Sixers do have a ton of cap space but so what? How do they convince Melo & Lebron to go there?

Considering the 76ers desire to play 'up tempo' as much as possible, how do they get Lebron & Melo into that fold? Also most writers have the Sixers taking Embid and not Wiggins. This allows them to move Noel to the 4 and still be 'up tempo' while improving themselves on defense significantly.

I digress, Philly is not in a position to attract big free agents right now BUT they're also building themselves up so they don't necessarily need to. I'm actually looking forward to what Philly is trying to build. I hope they nail it.

beliges
06-24-2014, 12:23 PM
Hard to imagine Lebron jumping ship again. He needs to show that he can have a team built around him. Lebron jumping to another stacked team to win will prove fatal for his legacy.

Wade n Fade
06-24-2014, 12:25 PM
I think that's a real, albeit unlikely possibility, but some people would have to take pay cuts in the process. Right now, just with Bosh, Wade, Haslem and Cole, they're looking at roughly $47 million, which is awful. That gives them roughly $16 million to work with before hitting the cap. Melo COULD sign for the $16 million and then Lebron could still get his max thanks to his Bird rights, but then Miami is paying roughly $85 million for six players or roughly $8 million over the estimated luxury tax line for this season.

The likeliest way this would happen would be both Bosh and Wade opting out to take less money. If they both opted out and decided to take maybe $10 million a season instead, that would give Miami $20 million more to work with. Melo and Lebron could still each make about $20 million a year and they'd have a little more flexibility to work with before getting killed by luxury tax penalties.

Still, I think it's not the likeliest scenario. For it to work, either Miami's front office would have to tax a MAJOR hit in terms of luxury tax penalties the next few years or at least two of those players will have to take significant pay cuts. It could happen, but I wouldn't bet on it.

As a Heat fan, I want to see Marcin Gortat and Kyle Lowry on the team with a younger bench before Melo, but it seems like Melo is probably the likely candidate now. The writing is on the wall. Lebron, Melo, Bosh, and Wade are friends and would form a superstar cast that has never been seen before. People will wallow more.

I actually want to issue a friendly debate challenge for everyone. I want to hear how the Heat really hurt the game if they have a Big 4 in the future? People say that they will stop watching, but I say quite contrary to popular cliches and statements. People dislike when Lebron succeeds and want him to fail, so when he struggles, people tune in. That argument is like saying the Yankees will kill baseball. San Antonio gave the league one recipe on how to win. The Heat are playing by the rules, but just taking advantage of a loophole. The league cannot tell a star it's against the rules to if they want to take less money to play elsewhere. The salary cap is meaningless because Miami is maneuvering around it. Sure cities lose money without having superstars for 41 games a season, but branding and revenue sharing is at an all time high. Teams are worth more than the past as we saw the Clippers sell for $2 billion and the Bucks sell for $800 mill. That means the Cavs w/ Parker/Wiggins + Irving is probably worth more than $800 mill since the Bucks have no star players. The parity disappears, but when there are changes, the strong survive while the weak perish. It's just how to cope with evolutionary changes within the NBA.

d00d
06-24-2014, 12:27 PM
our only hope is another Hurricane Andrew while Lebron and Melo are laying out on south beach

Tony_Starks
06-24-2014, 12:27 PM
Going to OKC. Then OKC will make deals to acquire Melo and Paul George. Bron, KD, Melo, Westbrook and George lose in the Finals to the Bulls. Then everyone says Lebron needs more help.

The end.

Flogger
06-24-2014, 12:32 PM
There's absolutely zero chance Lebron stays in Miami. If he had any intention he would not have opted out. Wade's knees will never opt out of his 40 mil plus contract. Bosh is never going to take half of what he makes now. He won't make it up in endorsements. Lebron will not ever make less than Wade again. And people think there's a possibility that Melo could end up there as well?

shep33
06-24-2014, 12:32 PM
He'll stay

ILLUSIONIST^248
06-24-2014, 12:36 PM
He'll stayhe better or his legacy will be a joke

IDunknown
06-24-2014, 12:42 PM
If Wade opts in LeBron will leave. He's not going back until he knows how much Bosh and Wade make.

mightybosstone
06-24-2014, 12:43 PM
As a Heat fan, I want to see Marcin Gortat and Kyle Lowry on the team with a younger bench before Melo, but it seems like Melo is probably the likely candidate now. The writing is on the wall. Lebron, Melo, Bosh, and Wade are friends and would form a superstar cast that has never been seen before. People will wallow more.

The salary cap is meaningless because Miami is maneuvering around it. Sure cities lose money without having superstars for 41 games a season, but branding and revenue sharing is at an all time high. Teams are worth more than the past as we saw the Clippers sell for $2 billion and the Bucks sell for $800 mill. That means the Cavs w/ Parker/Wiggins + Irving is probably worth more than $800 mill since the Bucks have no star players. The parity disappears, but when there are changes, the strong survive while the weak perish. It's just how to cope with evolutionary changes within the NBA.

It's not nearly as easy as you make it sound. Just because friends want to play with one another doesn't mean the Heat have the financial means to make it happen or that those friends will be willing to take a major pay cut for their friends. Lebron would be crazy to not get a max contract given his talent and his worth and Wade would be crazy to opt out given how much he's fallen off and how much money he's due over the next two seasons. I could see Bosh opting out, but he's still got good basketball ahead of him.

It's possible, but I certainly don't see it as the most likely option at this point.

5ass
06-24-2014, 12:45 PM
he better or his lag act will be a joke

Maybe if you say it one more time people will take you seriously...

IDunknown
06-24-2014, 12:45 PM
he better or his lag act will be a joke

Except everybody saw him as the only one doing his part in the finals.

5ass
06-24-2014, 12:46 PM
There's absolutely zero chance Lebron stays in Miami. If he had any intention he would not have opted out. Wade's knees will never opt out of his 40 mil plus contract. Bosh is never going to take half of what he makes now. He won't make it up in endorsements. Lebron will not ever make less than Wade again. And people think there's a possibility that Melo could end up there as well?

He opted out to secure money, how is that so hard to see? The smart choice for him financially.

ILLUSIONIST^248
06-24-2014, 12:47 PM
he better or his lag act will be a joke

Except everybody saw him as the only one doing his part in the finals.

11-16 in games and 2-3 in series. The guy is a phony

DillyDill
06-24-2014, 12:48 PM
Lebron and Melo will be playing together, I'm not doubting the genius of Riley ever again. I did once and the Big 3 formed, this time the Big 4 will form.

Wade n Fade
06-24-2014, 12:50 PM
It's not nearly as easy as you make it sound. Just because friends want to play with one another doesn't mean the Heat have the financial means to make it happen or that those friends will be willing to take a major pay cut for their friends. Lebron would be crazy to not get a max contract given his talent and his worth and Wade would be crazy to opt out given how much he's fallen off and how much money he's due over the next two seasons. I could see Bosh opting out, but he's still got good basketball ahead of him.

It's possible, but I certainly don't see it as the most likely option at this point.

Actually, it's simple as that. Take less money or no Big 4. That's what they each have to do. And they make money from marketing and appearances. So instead of getting $35 mill for a $20 mill deal pay for one year + $15 mill from Apple's Beats deal, Lebron might drop to $25-$30 mill. He has the finances to cover for the loss in potential salary. It's considered very selfless to do that. Athletes are overpaid in many sports, so it's a breath of fresh air when a star turns down less money even under specific circumstances. The Spurs did that to retain their core. Duncan deserved more than what he earned for his career, but playing under Pops w/ Parker and Ginobili meant that much more.

5ass
06-24-2014, 12:51 PM
11-16 in games and 2-3 in series. The guy is a phony
Still the best player since mj.

Snakeyestx
06-24-2014, 12:51 PM
Lebron and Melo will be playing together, I'm not doubting the genius of Riley ever again. I did once and the Big 3 formed, this time the Big 4 will form.

With exactly what cap room will he pull off that miracle dream team of yours?

...or did you expect them to sign those 4 and fill the remaining 9 spots with middle-schoolers? :p

IDunknown
06-24-2014, 12:54 PM
11-16 in games and 2-3 in series. The guy is a phony
I don't understand what you mean by this.

ILLUSIONIST^248
06-24-2014, 12:55 PM
11-16 in games and 2-3 in series. The guy is a phony
Still the best player since mj.

Duncan and Kobe are laughing.

ILLUSIONIST^248
06-24-2014, 12:56 PM
11-16 in games and 2-3 in series. The guy is a phony
I don't understand what you mean by this.

He's just not good vs top tier teams I important series.

Chronz
06-24-2014, 01:00 PM
Hes coming to LA, NY or staying put.

DillyDill
06-24-2014, 01:01 PM
With exactly what cap room will he pull off that miracle dream team of yours?

...or did you expect them to sign those 4 and fill the remaining 9 spots with middle-schoolers? :p

Lol if all 4 take paycuts it's the only way. Don't forget we were saying the same thing in 2010 and they pulled it off

cssdmark
06-24-2014, 01:03 PM
he wants to play with Timmy..

Timmy Jr and for the Zen master

RaiderLakersA's
06-24-2014, 01:10 PM
Hes coming to LA, NY or staying put.

I would have said this if the Buss Boy hadn't given Kobe such a whopping contract. Or if Nash somehow retires and saves us the trouble of trying to ditch his ridiculous contract. (There should have been a health clause in Nash's deal that lets a team pro rate his salary and cap hit according to the amount of games he plays.) But since we're fresh out of dream scenarios in LA, I'm betting that LeBron stays in MIA and Melo joins him. Bosh is going to be the odd man out. They're just waiting for him to play the foolish sheep and follow LeBron in opting out.

Chronz
06-24-2014, 01:11 PM
I would have said this if the Buss Boy hadn't given Kobe such a whopping contract. Or if Nash somehow retires and saves us the trouble of trying to ditch his ridiculous contract. (There should have been a health clause in Nash's deal that lets a team pro rate his salary and cap hit according to the amount of games he plays.) But since we're fresh out of dream scenarios in LA, I'm betting that LeBron stays in MIA and Melo joins him. Bosh is going to be the odd man out. They're just waiting for him to play the foolish sheep and follow LeBron in opting out.

Im talking about LA's best team.

Tony_Starks
06-24-2014, 01:12 PM
Except everybody saw him as the only one doing his part in the finals.

Stop it. They got blown out 2 times straight, once on their home floor. He plays as big a role in that as anybody, actually bigger since the best player and leader of the team takes the most responsibility. He himself said "I need to do more" and "follow my lead."

Also the guy he was largely defending got Finals MVP. By superstar standards he did not have a earth shattering Finals.

prodigy
06-24-2014, 01:13 PM
This isn't a surprise. Rumors that Wade will sign a cheaper deal and now this. I'm sure we'll hear that Bosh has opted out very soon too.
If Bosh opts out, there's no way LeBron goes anywhere else. If he doesn't though, then let the rumors begin.

You can do that without opting out. Also would make more since if he's staying in Miami to opt in SO he can still have an opt out cause next season if things don't go right.

Also lebron won't and shouldn't take a pay cut. He's the best player in the league and complained before about being underpayed. Wade and bosh on the other hand aren't worth 10 mill.

This doesn't say he's leaving heat, but like I said if he was staying would a been smarter to just opt in.

Except he has been on record saying he would take a paycut if and only if that money was used on talent to retool their roster. Maybe the 30M he got from Beats changes his mind on wanting a max deal?

Not happening

RaiderLakersA's
06-24-2014, 01:14 PM
Im talking about LA's best team.

You mean LA's playoff team from last year.

NYSpirit1
06-24-2014, 01:16 PM
Still the best player since mj.

HA. LeBron is tarnishing his legacy with all of this crap. The fact he's going to entertain teams for a second time after he's won TWO titles in Miami means he has no loyalty and just wants a cakewalk to a title every year.

He's a loser. And it's getting ridiculous. MJ, Magic and Bird didn't opt out of their contracts, entertain every team in the league every four years and scheme to play with all the best players because they're too much of a tool to win a title on their own.

prodigy
06-24-2014, 01:18 PM
Still the best player since mj.

HA. LeBron is tarnishing his legacy with all of this crap. The fact he's going to entertain teams for a second time after he's won TWO titles in Miami means he has no loyalty and just wants a cakewalk to a title every year.

He's a loser. And it's getting ridiculous. MJ, Magic and Bird didn't opt out of their contracts, entertain every team in the league every four years and scheme to play with all the best players because they're too much of a tool to win a title on their own.

Everything you said is 100% true. Unless, he goes home. If he went back to the cavs and won ship(s) with them he would become a legend. That would make his legacy.

Chronz
06-24-2014, 01:18 PM
You mean LA's playoff team from last year.

Oh did the other team not make it this year? I hadn't even noticed. :)

FlashBolt
06-24-2014, 01:19 PM
There are a lot of reasons why he would opt out.

1) He is trying to convince Miami to sign some legitimate players before he commits.
2) He is trying to get more money (which I think isn't the reason).
3) He is trying to lure Melo. I would not be surprised if Wade and Bosh both opt out in these next couple of days just to prove to other players that they are willing to accept less to get more.
4) Well, he just might be good as gone.

IDunknown
06-24-2014, 01:22 PM
He's just not good vs top tier teams I important series.

wtf ok that's his career wins and losses in finals series.

NYSpirit1
06-24-2014, 01:24 PM
Everything you said is 100% true. Unless, he goes home. If he went back to the cavs and won ship(s) with them he would become a legend. That would make his legacy.

This is the only move I'd deem acceptable and in the public eye, he wouldn't be bashed for.

But at the same time, he still won two titles in Miami and since now he's sick of Wade & Bosh, he would trade them in for young guns Irving and Wiggins (?).

It's amazing how different Tim Duncan and LeBron are. One is selfless, gives their organization all the faith in the world and in return, they deliver.

The other is putting pressure on their organization at every opportunity he can get, facilitating rumors of the departure of his SECOND team now and upset he can't cakewalk to the Finals and trophy every year.

5ass
06-24-2014, 01:24 PM
HA. LeBron is tarnishing his legacy with all of this crap. The fact he's going to entertain teams for a second time after he's won TWO titles in Miami means he has no loyalty and just wants a cakewalk to a title every year.

He's a loser. And it's getting ridiculous. MJ, Magic and Bird didn't opt out of their contracts, entertain every team in the league every four years and scheme to play with all the best players because they're too much of a tool to win a title on their own.

You do know that only in your mind is he actually entertaining offers. We dont know what LeBron is thinking. I know some people have strong hate towards him, all I'm saying is dont jump ahead of yourselves here trying to bash LeBron when he hasn't even lef.

Tony_Starks
06-24-2014, 01:29 PM
Lebron is about to cash out. Bosh and Wade take cuts and they sign a solid FA like Lowry and probably let Rio walk. Plus they got a 1st rounder.

Life is good!

mightybosstone
06-24-2014, 02:30 PM
Actually, it's simple as that. Take less money or no Big 4. That's what they each have to do. And they make money from marketing and appearances. So instead of getting $35 mill for a $20 mill deal pay for one year + $15 mill from Apple's Beats deal, Lebron might drop to $25-$30 mill. He has the finances to cover for the loss in potential salary. It's considered very selfless to do that. Athletes are overpaid in many sports, so it's a breath of fresh air when a star turns down less money even under specific circumstances. The Spurs did that to retain their core. Duncan deserved more than what he earned for his career, but playing under Pops w/ Parker and Ginobili meant that much more.
Yes. That is what they have to do. But they have to actually be willing to do it before it happens, and you're talking about these guys' lives and their families when you're taking away huge portions of their contracts. It was one thing for Lebron, Bosh and Wade to take slight pay cuts to play together. But you're talking about adding another guy worthy of a max contract and trying to fit him in while having some semblance of a roster around them. Will Wade and Bosh opt out of $40 million over the next two years to take substantially less money? That remains to be seen, but I wouldn't bet on it.

And then there's the question of, if Wade opts out, how much is Miami willing to pay him? He's going to want at least $12-14 million a year over four years, but I don't know that he's worth that at this point in his career. Signing him to a big, long-term contract could cripple this team even further in the long run.

amak316
06-24-2014, 02:35 PM
Kinda cool that a year that appeared to be a nothing year in free agency has turned into an absolute frenzy with LeBron, Melo, Kevin Love (I know he isn't a FA but is likely to be moved this off-season) collective teams all underachieving. Coming into last season I would have bet heavily against any of those 3 leaving, now it seems like at the minimum 2 of 3 are gone.

amak316
06-24-2014, 02:40 PM
IMO though if you are the self proclaimed "King" you should pick a city and let the help find you. It's a bad look cherry picking the best of the best situations and leaving as soon as the going gets a little tough.

Leaving again (unless it's to Cle) hurts his legacy in my opinion.

GiantsSwaGG
06-24-2014, 02:47 PM
Im talking about LA's best team.

So he's playing hockey

ink
06-24-2014, 02:49 PM
HA. LeBron is tarnishing his legacy with all of this crap. The fact he's going to entertain teams for a second time after he's won TWO titles in Miami means he has no loyalty and just wants a cakewalk to a title every year.

He's a loser. And it's getting ridiculous. MJ, Magic and Bird didn't opt out of their contracts, entertain every team in the league every four years and scheme to play with all the best players because they're too much of a tool to win a title on their own.

I agree he's tarnishing any legacy he hopes to have, though we don't know what he has planned. Another summer of BS visiting every team trying to court and woo him will be brutal.

But he's no loser.

IgglesFanInCO
06-24-2014, 03:11 PM
This is the only move I'd deem acceptable and in the public eye, he wouldn't be bashed for.

But at the same time, he still won two titles in Miami and since now he's sick of Wade & Bosh, he would trade them in for young guns Irving and Wiggins (?).

It's amazing how different Tim Duncan and LeBron are. One is selfless, gives their organization all the faith in the world and in return, they deliver.

The other is putting pressure on their organization at every opportunity he can get, facilitating rumors of the departure of his SECOND team now and upset he can't cakewalk to the Finals and trophy every year.

AT THIS POINT, the only betrayal Lebron has been involved in is the Cavaliers management screwing him over for the first part of his career

Anything beyond that is pure speculation from angry fans like you who just want to hate him for the sake of hating him without even ATTEMPTING to understand him. If he leaves Miami for anyone besides Cleveland you can bash him all you want, until then however, you are just attacking someone for something they havent done, and that is beyond ignorant.

Tim Duncan is my favorite player of all time, I love everything about that dude, he really has given everything to the Spurs and that is extremely admirable, but you know what? The spurs gave everything right back, they worked their hardest to pay back the loyalty Timmy D gave them by surrounding him with championship assets. Lebron showed loyalty to cleveland, and what did they do? Embarrassed themselves with one of the most pathetic team building processes I have ever seen, if LBJ wasnt there they would have spent the last decade as the laughing stock of the nba. Loyalty is built through trust and reciprocation, its impossible for it to be one sided.

%%%%
06-24-2014, 03:15 PM
I'm surprised.

I understand Miami is going through a bit of a rough patch, with, for example, Wade getting older. But, they still made the Finals 4 straight times, winning two of them. Plus, it wasn't so long ago that LeBron signed with them with big expectations.

I think the better course of action, for him, was to stay. Good or bad, just be loyal and stay with the Heat.

If he goes to some already loaded team and wins there, then that does nothing to help his legacy.

Between these two:

a). Win 1 championship after loyally playing 15 years with one team, enduring years of losing and frustration during a rebuilding process.
b). Win 10 championships by jumping around to 5 - 6 teams in a 15 year span.

I would take option (a).
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lakerfan85
06-24-2014, 03:15 PM
Hes coming to LA, NY or staying put.

How's he going to go to NY?

ILLUSIONIST^248
06-24-2014, 03:16 PM
Still the best player since mj.

HA. LeBron is tarnishing his legacy with all of this crap. The fact he's going to entertain teams for a second time after he's won TWO titles in Miami means he has no loyalty and just wants a cakewalk to a title every year.

He's a loser. And it's getting ridiculous. MJ, Magic and Bird didn't opt out of their contracts, entertain every team in the league every four years and scheme to play with all the best players because they're too much of a tool to win a title on their own.

Good post

ILLUSIONIST^248
06-24-2014, 03:18 PM
You mean LA's playoff team from last year.

Oh did the other team not make it this year? I hadn't even noticed. :)

Let us know when your tram makes it's first west finals.

lakerfan85
06-24-2014, 03:19 PM
So he's playing hockey

HaHa!! Nice!!

ILLUSIONIST^248
06-24-2014, 03:21 PM
I'm surprised.

I understand Miami is going through a bit of a rough patch, with, for example, Wade getting older. But, they still made the Finals 4 straight times, winning two of them. Plus, it wasn't so long ago that LeBron signed with them with big expectations.

I think the better course of action, for him, was to stay. Good or bad, just be loyal and stay with the Heat.

If he goes to some already loaded team and wins there, then that does nothing to help his legacy.

Between these two:

a). Win 1 championship after loyally playing 15 years with one team, enduring years of losing and frustration during a rebuilding process.
b). Win 10 championships by jumping around to 5 - 6 teams in a 15 year span.

I would take option (a).
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That's just it tho, Lebron is as unloyal as they come. He wants everything easy for himself.

ink
06-24-2014, 03:24 PM
This is the only move I'd deem acceptable and in the public eye, he wouldn't be bashed for.

But at the same time, he still won two titles in Miami and since now he's sick of Wade & Bosh, he would trade them in for young guns Irving and Wiggins (?).

It's amazing how different Tim Duncan and LeBron are. One is selfless, gives their organization all the faith in the world and in return, they deliver.

The other is putting pressure on their organization at every opportunity he can get, facilitating rumors of the departure of his SECOND team now and upset he can't cakewalk to the Finals and trophy every year.

AT THIS POINT, the only betrayal Lebron has been involved in is the Cavaliers management screwing him over for the first part of his career

Anything beyond that is pure speculation from angry fans like you who just want to hate him for the sake of hating him without even ATTEMPTING to understand him. If he leaves Miami for anyone besides Cleveland you can bash him all you want, until then however, you are just attacking someone for something they havent done, and that is beyond ignorant.

Tim Duncan is my favorite player of all time, I love everything about that dude, he really has given everything to the Spurs and that is extremely admirable, but you know what? The spurs gave everything right back, they worked their hardest to pay back the loyalty Timmy D gave them by surrounding him with championship assets. Lebron showed loyalty to cleveland, and what did they do? Embarrassed themselves with one of the most pathetic team building processes I have ever seen, if LBJ wasnt there they would have spent the last decade as the laughing stock of the nba. Loyalty is built through trust and reciprocation, its impossible for it to be one sided.

I don't get how CLE screwed him over. Unless he believes it's his god given right to be handed a trophy at the end of the year. The Cavs didn't win and weren't well run but that can in no way be contorted into "screwing him over".

LakerShow
06-24-2014, 03:34 PM
This is the only move I'd deem acceptable and in the public eye, he wouldn't be bashed for.

But at the same time, he still won two titles in Miami and since now he's sick of Wade & Bosh, he would trade them in for young guns Irving and Wiggins (?).

It's amazing how different Tim Duncan and LeBron are. One is selfless, gives their organization all the faith in the world and in return, they deliver.

The other is putting pressure on their organization at every opportunity he can get, facilitating rumors of the departure of his SECOND team now and upset he can't cakewalk to the Finals and trophy every year.

Agree with everything you just said. the stuff you pointed out is the reason why alot of people hate him.

TylerSL
06-24-2014, 03:42 PM
he's not going anywhere, he just realizes that Miami can't continue competing for titles the way they are currently constructed (i.e. cap strapped, aging) and that all parties involved need to take steps to ensure that we will contend for championships in the future. For Lebron, that means giving Miami financial flexibility to improve the roster around him.

It does put Miami on the clock though, if Wade and Bosh were unwilling to take less and the organization did little to shake things up, Lebron might honestly leave. But that will not happen because Bosh stated before season ended he will take a pay cut, it's reported Wade will do the same. These guys understand that they cannot take up 90% of the cap and expect to win in their 30's.

I think Lebron only signs a short term deal though, 3 years with an option after the 2nd, to give himself flexibility after only 2 years. In 2 years Lebron will still be Lebron, and we will have this discussion all over again.

smiddy012
06-24-2014, 03:49 PM
Lebron is not good for the image of basketball.

Tony_Starks
06-24-2014, 03:54 PM
People need to keep in mind the new collective bargaining agreement as well. Once MIAs super team was formed and all the small market teams cried, restraints were put in place.

The owners basically said if you want a big 3 then you have to fill out the roster with minimum guys. With those limitations in place MIA has done pretty damn great. I'm pretty sure Riley will sit down with the cap expert guys and get creative.

0nekhmer
06-24-2014, 04:00 PM
He'd get even more hate if he left at this point lol

Aust
06-24-2014, 04:03 PM
He's staying in Miami.

raiderposting
06-24-2014, 04:05 PM
His window for rings will be pretty good on the cavs. I have no doubt he'll have the cavs in the finals if he joins them

D Blue987
06-24-2014, 04:08 PM
I don't think he cares about this whole legacy arguement people keep bringing up. Why would he really care what anybody thinks when he is making millions playing a game. i think he proved that when he signed with Miami. He will go where he thinks he can win. If that is with the heat he will sign with the heat. If that is with Cleveland or LA or Chi then he will sign there. He is going to go down as one of the all time greats anyway you slice it so at this point, just go where you can win.

Big Z 1990
06-24-2014, 04:09 PM
Hopefully this is the first step towards returning to Cleveland. We could use a Big 3 of our own, especially if we can get all of Miami's Big 3 to come here.

prodigy
06-24-2014, 04:14 PM
This is the only move I'd deem acceptable and in the public eye, he wouldn't be bashed for.

But at the same time, he still won two titles in Miami and since now he's sick of Wade & Bosh, he would trade them in for young guns Irving and Wiggins (?).

It's amazing how different Tim Duncan and LeBron are. One is selfless, gives their organization all the faith in the world and in return, they deliver.

The other is putting pressure on their organization at every opportunity he can get, facilitating rumors of the departure of his SECOND team now and upset he can't cakewalk to the Finals and trophy every year.

AT THIS POINT, the only betrayal Lebron has been involved in is the Cavaliers management screwing him over for the first part of his career

Dumbest post so far. I love how people still act like the cavs didn't try. Like we didn't have a sign and trade in place for Chris bosh. We needed lebron to help recruit but he never would. He told boozer to leave, he wouldn't commit when smaller guys like artest and Frye wanted to come here, and he didn't talk to bosh at all. I think he matured a lot since then.

Wade n Fade
06-24-2014, 04:14 PM
Hopefully this is the first step towards returning to Cleveland. We could use a Big 3 of our own, especially if we can get all of Miami's Big 3 to come here.

Lol, Chris Bosh hates the city of Cleveland. That's why he didn't go there. Cleveland's best chance is growing Parker/Wiggins, trading Kyrie for the best package possible, keep Waiters, and work from there.

MiamiBoy77
06-24-2014, 04:14 PM
it would have been worse for the HEAT if the Big 3 opted in. that would have meant that theres a chance he goes to LA or NY if miami continues to struggle.. but in order for everything to work they all had to opt out.

now if bosh and wade opt in... then there is a chance

J4KOP99
06-24-2014, 04:17 PM
I have no idea what is going to happen.

NYKnickFanatic
06-24-2014, 04:19 PM
Hopefully this is the first step towards returning to Cleveland. We could use a Big 3 of our own, especially if we can get all of Miami's Big 3 to come here.

Guys, Justin's new account.

:laugh2:

ILLUSIONIST^248
06-24-2014, 04:23 PM
Hopefully this is the first step towards returning to Cleveland. We could use a Big 3 of our own, especially if we can get all of Miami's Big 3 to come here.

Guys, Justin's new account.

:laugh2:

Lmao!!!! It's hilarious to see all the Cav fans turn into heat fans only to hope they can once again become Cav fans. This is gold!

lakerfan85
06-24-2014, 04:26 PM
guys, justin's new account.

:laugh2:

lmao!!!!

Dade County
06-24-2014, 04:26 PM
His window for rings will be pretty good on the cavs. I have no doubt he'll have the cavs in the finals if he joins them

The way the Cav's are currently constructed (yes they can make moves, but from their history, I highly doubt it), i don't see them even making the finals. And there is no reason, why I should believe that the Cav's can put pieces around any star player.

I believe the HEAT will still make the Finals if Pat Riley can use the freedom cap room to target players like Melo, Lowry & Gortat (discounted of course... lmao).

A Wade, Bosh, & Melo lead team I believe, would make i out of the east. Unless Lbj could find his way onto the bulls and rose is old rose.

Dade County
06-24-2014, 04:32 PM
Dumbest post so far. I love how people still act like the cavs didn't try. Like we didn't have a sign and trade in place for Chris bosh. We needed lebron to help recruit but he never would. He told boozer to leave, he wouldn't commit when smaller guys like artest and Frye wanted to come here, and he didn't talk to bosh at all. I think he matured a lot since then.

It was reported that Lbj did try to get Bosh to Cleveland.

And Bosh said hell to the no.

cssdmark
06-24-2014, 04:35 PM
Melo opt out = definitely leaving
Lebron opt out = definitely staying
Melo opt definitely staying
Lebron opt out going to Cleveland

5ass
06-24-2014, 04:46 PM
AT THIS POINT, the only betrayal Lebron has been involved in is the Cavaliers management screwing him over for the first part of his career

Anything beyond that is pure speculation from angry fans like you who just want to hate him for the sake of hating him without even ATTEMPTING to understand him. If he leaves Miami for anyone besides Cleveland you can bash him all you want, until then however, you are just attacking someone for something they havent done, and that is beyond ignorant.

Tim Duncan is my favorite player of all time, I love everything about that dude, he really has given everything to the Spurs and that is extremely admirable, but you know what? The spurs gave everything right back, they worked their hardest to pay back the loyalty Timmy D gave them by surrounding him with championship assets. Lebron showed loyalty to cleveland, and what did they do? Embarrassed themselves with one of the most pathetic team building processes I have ever seen, if LBJ wasnt there they would have spent the last decade as the laughing stock of the nba. Loyalty is built through trust and reciprocation, its impossible for it to be one sided.

Good post.

5ass
06-24-2014, 04:49 PM
Dumbest post so far. I love how people still act like the cavs didn't try. Like we didn't have a sign and trade in place for Chris bosh. We needed lebron to help recruit but he never would. He told boozer to leave, he wouldn't commit when smaller guys like artest and Frye wanted to come here, and he didn't talk to bosh at all. I think he matured a lot since then.
Bosh didn't want to come. He said he wanted to live in Miami, he would've joined wade.
He told boozer to leave? Really?
Open your eyes man. He took trash and made them look like elite.

Chronz
06-24-2014, 04:51 PM
"When Carmelo opted out we adjusted some of our future odds, mainly doubling the Knicks' chances and lowering teams like the Bulls, who are the favorite to land him, according to our odds," said the site's bookmaking manager, Kevin Bradley. "LeBron opting out has a much bigger impact and forced us to close down our odds until the dust settles a bit and we have a little more information on what his plans may be."

Interesting

PraiseJesus
06-24-2014, 05:01 PM
I am King

xxplayerxx23
06-24-2014, 05:06 PM
My PREDICITON OF LEBRON GOING TO THE KNICKS WAS SPOT ON!!!!

JUST AS ALL MINE ARE.

I'M NEVER WRONG

:laugh: I wish. Knicks would have to find a sucker to take bargs/amare. Tyson is easier to move but yeah good luck with that prediction

NBA_Starter
06-24-2014, 05:09 PM
This is no huge shock. Now the fun begins.

PraiseJesus
06-24-2014, 06:17 PM
:laugh: I wish. Knicks would have to find a sucker to take bargs/amare. Tyson is easier to move but yeah good luck with that prediction
Exactly!

When I'm rig
ht about this one NO ONE can deny my prediction abilities

(SEE SIG)

RaiderLakersA's
06-24-2014, 07:13 PM
Oh did the other team not make it this year? I hadn't even noticed. :)

Blinded by the shine coming off of all of those O'Brien Trophies? I understand. It happens to everyone.

This was the Clips' year, but we'll see if they can make a better showing of 2014-15. I have my doubts.

NBA_Starter
06-24-2014, 07:17 PM
Exactly!

When I'm rig
ht about this one NO ONE can deny my prediction abilities

(SEE SIG)

rig?

GiantsSwaGG
06-24-2014, 07:19 PM
Guys, Justin's new account.

:laugh2:

:laugh:

GiantsSwaGG
06-24-2014, 07:21 PM
Exactly!

When I'm rig
ht about this one NO ONE can deny my prediction abilities

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Kevj77
06-24-2014, 07:39 PM
I think he sign a max contract in Miami. He isn't taking a paycut again.

GiantsSwaGG
06-24-2014, 07:43 PM
I think he sign a max contract in Miami. He isn't taking a paycut again.

He did last time

Chrisclover
06-24-2014, 07:45 PM
Nothing to see here.....

LBJ, Wade, Bosh opt out....

LBJ gets the max or somewhere near the max....

Wade 4yrs 55mil, Bosh around the same....

Riley uses that flexibility to retool the roster..
that is the plan. who knows if he will botch it?

NBA_Starter
06-24-2014, 08:08 PM
that is the plan. who knows if he will botch it?

It depends on if anyone can sign he and his best buddy Melo to the same team.

Chrisclover
06-24-2014, 08:11 PM
It depends on if anyone can sign he and his best buddy Melo to the same team.
the media kept saying Wade is his best buddy.
and now it is melo?oh.

NBA_Starter
06-24-2014, 08:13 PM
the media kept saying Wade is his best buddy.
and now it is melo?oh.

That is what they said on ESPN Bron loves playing with him. I think it was Broussard.

goingfor28
06-24-2014, 08:19 PM
miami HEAT

prodigy
06-24-2014, 08:35 PM
His window for rings will be pretty good on the cavs. I have no doubt he'll have the cavs in the finals if he joins them

The way the Cav's are currently constructed (yes they can make moves, but from their history, I highly doubt it), i don't see them even making the finals. And there is no reason, why I should believe that the Cav's can put pieces around any star player.

I believe the HEAT will still make the Finals if Pat Riley can use the freedom cap room to target players like Melo, Lowry & Gortat (discounted of course... lmao).

A Wade, Bosh, & Melo lead team I believe, would make i out of the east. Unless Lbj could find his way onto the bulls and rose is old rose.

Coming from a heat fan shocked lol. If wade does not some how go back to his form from a couple years ago the cavs right now are a better team no question. Look at the current rosters with lebron. And mind you the cavs have huge cap space and the #1 pick.

Irving
Waiters
Lebron
Thompson
Hawes

Av, Zeller, #1 pick, Bennett, miles, jack, Della,

Or

Chambers?
Wade(looks old and beat up)
Lebron
I only shoot 3's bosh
??

Halsam, Cole

Ya heat look so much better. BTW cavs would def get another star if lebron comes back. Through sign or trade.

prodigy
06-24-2014, 08:37 PM
Dumbest post so far. I love how people still act like the cavs didn't try. Like we didn't have a sign and trade in place for Chris bosh. We needed lebron to help recruit but he never would. He told boozer to leave, he wouldn't commit when smaller guys like artest and Frye wanted to come here, and he didn't talk to bosh at all. I think he matured a lot since then.

It was reported that Lbj did try to get Bosh to Cleveland.

And Bosh said hell to the no.

Thas wrong sry. But bosh isn't very good anyways I'm OK with that.

Dade County
06-24-2014, 09:03 PM
Coming from a heat fan shocked lol. If wade does not some how go back to his form from a couple years ago the cavs right now are a better team no question. Look at the current rosters with lebron. And mind you the cavs have huge cap space and the #1 pick.

Irving
Waiters
Lebron
Thompson
Hawes

Av, Zeller, #1 pick, Bennett, miles, jack, Della,

Or

Chambers?
Wade(looks old and beat up)
Lebron
I only shoot 3's bosh
??

Halsam, Cole



Listen, we can go down lots of teams roster, and me and you both can point out who is better then who, individually and what not.

That Cav's roster is no where near a championship roster just because Lbj is on there. Irving has some skills, but he hasn't proven anything to show you that he can be the leading pg on a championship team (not saying he can't, but he has not even come close to proving it).

How do you know if he can playoff the ball for the majority of the time, since Lbj will be dominating the ball (if Lbj goes back their)? He might get frustrated, we just don't know. We don't know when push comes to shove that he will have that damian lillard mentality (he might **** up more times then none).

I care nothing for waiters.

And I am not going to disrespect the other names you posted, but come on man... Usually championship rosters consist of proven players, or just already better talent then that.

Riley is going to retool are bench, so of course we don't have any players right now (but you can look at that as a good thing... Miami has flexibility).

I am very confident that the HEAT will have a better over all roster then the Cav's before the new season starts.

And by the way, I would roll with Wade & Bosh over most of the players on that Cav's roster.



Ya heat look so much better. BTW cavs would def get another star if lebron comes back. Through sign or trade.

History has not shown this to be true, so I have to disagree. I don't believe a star free agent will go there lol, & if the Cav's give up enough assets of course they can try to get a star player, but once again they had 7yrs to get a star player along side Lbj... Did they?

prodigy
06-24-2014, 10:44 PM
Coming from a heat fan shocked lol. If wade does not some how go back to his form from a couple years ago the cavs right now are a better team no question. Look at the current rosters with lebron. And mind you the cavs have huge cap space and the #1 pick.

Irving
Waiters
Lebron
Thompson
Hawes

Av, Zeller, #1 pick, Bennett, miles, jack, Della,

Or

Chambers?
Wade(looks old and beat up)
Lebron
I only shoot 3's bosh
??

Halsam, Cole



Listen, we can go down lots of teams roster, and me and you both can point out who is better then who, individually and what not.

That Cav's roster is no where near a championship roster just because Lbj is on there. Irving has some skills, but he hasn't proven anything to show you that he can be the leading pg on a championship team (not saying he can't, but he has not even come close to proving it).

How do you know if he can playoff the ball for the majority of the time, since Lbj will be dominating the ball (if Lbj goes back their)? He might get frustrated, we just don't know. We don't know when push comes to shove that he will have that damian lillard mentality (he might **** up more times then none).

I care nothing for waiters.

And I am not going to disrespect the other names you posted, but come on man... Usually championship rosters consist of proven players, or just already better talent then that.

Riley is going to retool are bench, so of course we don't have any players right now (but you can look at that as a good thing... Miami has flexibility).

I am very confident that the HEAT will have a better over all roster then the Cav's before the new season starts.

And by the way, I would roll with Wade & Bosh over most of the players on that Cav's roster.



Ya heat look so much better. BTW cavs would def get another star if lebron comes back. Through sign or trade.

History has not shown this to be true, so I have to disagree. I don't believe a star free agent will go there lol, & if the Cav's give up enough assets of course they can try to get a star player, but once again they had 7yrs to get a star player along side Lbj... Did they?

1. The cavs with lebron as of right now would be fav to come out the east. Let's be real put your bias fan hood away. Melo goes to bulls and rose stays healthy they could be tough.

2. The cavs like to use waiters and PG at times because Irving plays well off the ball. Really good shooter who would thrive next to lebron.

3. You care nothing for waiters? O well guess we should just release him then. Ya he's a good young SG who had a great second half and really found his way. But he no good you don't care.

4. Retool your bench? You do know you need money for that right? I mean pat Riley wants to add melo and retool the whole bench HAha common now.

5. History shows the cavs never has this much cap and #1 pick when we had lebron.

NBA_Starter
06-24-2014, 10:54 PM
Wade has no honor, he should play for the minimum.

slashsnake
06-24-2014, 10:55 PM
Heard today that Lebron and Love might not be out of the realm of possibility for Cleveland. Supposedly Love might not be interested, but Irving, Love, Lebron, Varejao and Thompson for a starting lineup could be scary. I'd pick them to win the East for the next 4 years and grab another 2 rings.

NYKNYGNYY
06-24-2014, 10:58 PM
Omg this just in lebron and melo will do a s&t for eachother :o....I wish

rockets-fan
06-24-2014, 11:03 PM
If lebron wants to to championships he should go to

Cleveland -like it or not their squad with him, is scary

Miami- Pat will retool if he stays no doubt and they'll be favorites in the weak east as constructed anyways

Houston-tough conference but the lineup would be amazing

IMO those are his choices, with staying in Miami being his first choice. I don't think he wants to ruin his legacy with being a ring chaser in his prime again

alexander_37
06-24-2014, 11:10 PM
Lol at anyone thinking he goes to NY, I doubt he goes to Cleveland either. He is going to the Heat or someone better. He isn't going to go to a team and struggle on purpose.

east fb knicks
06-24-2014, 11:11 PM
If lebron wants to to championships he should go to

Cleveland -like it or not their squad with him, is scary

Miami- Pat will retool if he stays no doubt and they'll be favorites in the weak east as constructed anyways

Houston-tough conference but the lineup would be amazing

IMO those are his choices, with staying in Miami being his first choice. I don't think he wants to ruin his legacy with being a ring chaser in his prime again

lmao it's funny coming from a rockets fan cuz lbj on the cavs is no better than the heat last year but lbj on the rockets isn't even fair for the rest of the league I mean that would be the perfect big three each player would complement each other perfect god I hope he doesn't go there:D

east fb knicks
06-24-2014, 11:13 PM
Lol at anyone thinking he goes to NY, I doubt he goes to Cleveland either. He is going to the Heat or someone better. He isn't going to go to a team and struggle on purpose.

but he is going to ny:hide:

WITZ
06-24-2014, 11:31 PM
Lmao!!!! It's hilarious to see all the Cav fans turn into heat fans only to hope they can once again become Cav fans. This is gold!

And it begins, IF he comes back we are all gonna get lumped together what a shame :down:

FlashBolt
06-24-2014, 11:55 PM
If Melo or Bron are smart, they would head to NYK and just take this year as a loss. 2015 is a huge season for NYK. They can win - big.

east fb knicks
06-25-2014, 01:01 AM
If Melo or Bron are smart, they would head to NYK and just take this year as a loss. 2015 is a huge season for NYK. They can win - big.

meh I wish more stars thought like that but I doubt lbj could take the pressure that comes with playing in nyc

FlashBolt
06-25-2014, 01:25 AM
meh I wish more stars thought like that but I doubt lbj could take the pressure that comes with playing in nyc

I hope you are serious. He receives the most pressure as it is, why would NYK be any different? He could be on Bucks and have the most pressure to win. It seems the NBA has now been so enamored with James that it has become "This year, will James win or lose" rather than "Who will win the NBA championship." I don't even think there is pressure that everyone speaks of. Carmelo certainly never had much pressure. If he lost, he lost.

raiderposting
06-25-2014, 02:29 AM
The way the Cav's are currently constructed (yes they can make moves, but from their history, I highly doubt it), i don't see them even making the finals. And there is no reason, why I should believe that the Cav's can put pieces around any star player.

I believe the HEAT will still make the Finals if Pat Riley can use the freedom cap room to target players like Melo, Lowry & Gortat (discounted of course... lmao).

A Wade, Bosh, & Melo lead team I believe, would make i out of the east. Unless Lbj could find his way onto the bulls and rose is old rose.

I think Lebron can get Irving/wiggins or Parker/Thompson/vareajo and a few role players to the finals in the east.

east fb knicks
06-25-2014, 02:37 AM
I hope you are serious. He receives the most pressure as it is, why would NYK be any different? He could be on Bucks and have the most pressure to win. It seems the NBA has now been so enamored with James that it has become "This year, will James win or lose" rather than "Who will win the NBA championship." I don't even think there is pressure that everyone speaks of. Carmelo certainly never had much pressure. If he lost, he lost.

lmao bro you don't know anything about ny do you LeBron lives in mia on the beach chillin ny is a different animal not many players can deal with it and last time I checked that coward went to mia to team up with two other stars to avoid pressure LeBron is a baby ny would eat him alive

FlashBolt
06-25-2014, 02:55 AM
lmao bro you don't know anything about ny do you LeBron lives in mia on the beach chillin ny is a different animal not many players can deal with it and last time I checked that coward went to mia to team up with two other stars to avoid pressure LeBron is a baby ny would eat him alive

LOL, I lived in NY for 19 years. I get it, more pressure more media blah blah blah. But you act as if James never had this pressure on him before. No one cares where he plays for, they just want to see him lose everywhere he goes. Did you forget that he still gets pressured whenever Miami loses? Melo doesn't, does he? This pressure talk for whichever team he goes to doesn't matter because he's dealt with it. NYK fans are some of the worst you'll see. They swear James robbed Melo of MVP. Go around and ask NYK fans around NY and at least half of them will swear that Melo was robbed. He went to team up with other stars because you need a team to win - not because he wanted to avoid the pressure.. If that was the case, he would have resigned with the Cavs..

goingfor28
06-25-2014, 03:09 AM
lol, i lived in ny for 19 years. I get it, more pressure more media blah blah blah. But you act as if james never had this pressure on him before. No one cares where he plays for, they just want to see him lose everywhere he goes. Did you forget that he still gets pressured whenever miami loses? Melo doesn't, does he? This pressure talk for whichever team he goes to doesn't matter because he's dealt with it. Nyk fans are some of the worst you'll see. They swear james robbed melo of mvp. Go around and ask nyk fans around ny and at least half of them will swear that melo was robbed. He went to team up with other stars because you need a team to win - not because he wanted to avoid the pressure.. If that was the case, he would have resigned with the cavs..
boom

3ballbomber
06-25-2014, 04:58 AM
Lebron waiting on Riley to add more help :facepalm:

Wants another all-star - turn the Big 3 to an Awesome Foursome :rolleyes:

JCSchwa
06-25-2014, 05:13 AM
Come to Chicago and be a part of the East's next Big 3

Kinda like the wolfpack split off from the NWO hahaha

slashsnake
06-25-2014, 06:44 AM
lmao bro you don't know anything about ny do you LeBron lives in mia on the beach chillin ny is a different animal not many players can deal with it and last time I checked that coward went to mia to team up with two other stars to avoid pressure LeBron is a baby ny would eat him alive

lol. You must have HATED that last Knicks championship. What was that? 6 different all stars joining up? Debusshere, Bradley, Frazier, Lucas, Monroe, and Reed? I bet that team makes you want to puke.

And yeah, there was no pressure in Miami.. lol in case you missed it, Lebron isn't exactly just a local or regional market player.

BDawk4Prez
06-25-2014, 08:15 AM
Lebron to the Seahawks.

h2r09
06-25-2014, 09:11 AM
lmao bro you don't know anything about ny do you LeBron lives in mia on the beach chillin ny is a different animal not many players can deal with it and last time I checked that coward went to mia to team up with two other stars to avoid pressure LeBron is a baby ny would eat him alive
How did he go to Miami to avoid pressure when he got more pressure on him than any player in the history of the league in 2010 by coming to Miami

h2r09
06-25-2014, 09:12 AM
I love how people still call lebron names for "teaming up with all stars" and "rigging the league" when he lost twice during the past 4 years. its not like he won 4 championship.

And why should he knowingly put himself in a worse position if the opportunity arises where they can make a super team. People make no sense.

h2r09
06-25-2014, 09:16 AM
Heard today that Lebron and Love might not be out of the realm of possibility for Cleveland. Supposedly Love might not be interested, but Irving, Love, Lebron, Varejao and Thompson for a starting lineup could be scary. I'd pick them to win the East for the next 4 years and grab another 2 rings.
LOL nobody is knowingly resigning long term to live in Cleveland and neither is Lebron or Love. Love can either wait a year and have the choice of the league at where he wants to play or accept a trade to a place he actually wants to go. He has one year left on his deal and no team is trading for him knowing he isn't going to resign a year later. Nobody wants to play in cleveland, thats why Lebron left in the first place.

Also, people who think Lebron would actually consider Cleveland while Dan Gilbert is still the owner are morons. The guy publicly wrote a letter and called him a coward nobody in their right mind would go back to play for him.

prodigy
06-25-2014, 11:16 AM
Heard today that Lebron and Love might not be out of the realm of possibility for Cleveland. Supposedly Love might not be interested, but Irving, Love, Lebron, Varejao and Thompson for a starting lineup could be scary. I'd pick them to win the East for the next 4 years and grab another 2 rings.
LOL nobody is knowingly resigning long term to live in Cleveland and neither is Lebron or Love. Love can either wait a year and have the choice of the league at where he wants to play or accept a trade to a place he actually wants to go. He has one year left on his deal and no team is trading for him knowing he isn't going to resign a year later. Nobody wants to play in cleveland, thats why Lebron left in the first place.

Also, people who think Lebron would actually consider Cleveland while Dan Gilbert is still the owner are morons. The guy publicly wrote a letter and called him a coward nobody in their right mind would go back to play for him.

You don't gotta live in Cleveland to play for cavs. Not like cavs force players to live on the east side lol. Kids so childish these days.

MinnesotaFtw
06-25-2014, 11:41 AM
I hope you are serious. He receives the most pressure as it is, why would NYK be any different? He could be on Bucks and have the most pressure to win. It seems the NBA has now been so enamored with James that it has become "This year, will James win or lose" rather than "Who will win the NBA championship." I don't even think there is pressure that everyone speaks of. Carmelo certainly never had much pressure. If he lost, he lost.

lmao bro you don't know anything about ny do you LeBron lives in mia on the beach chillin ny is a different animal not many players can deal with it and last time I checked that coward went to mia to team up with two other stars to avoid pressure LeBron is a baby ny would eat him alive

Okay. Let's all act like the Lakers didn't have multiple stars in the 80s and 2000s. Same with celtics. Just shut up about how he teamed up with other stars. It's happened for years.

ink
06-25-2014, 12:49 PM
Guys you all need to relax with the fighting or the thread will be closed.

ILLUSIONIST^248
06-25-2014, 01:55 PM
I hope you are serious. He receives the most pressure as it is, why would NYK be any different? He could be on Bucks and have the most pressure to win. It seems the NBA has now been so enamored with James that it has become "This year, will James win or lose" rather than "Who will win the NBA championship." I don't even think there is pressure that everyone speaks of. Carmelo certainly never had much pressure. If he lost, he lost.

lmao bro you don't know anything about ny do you LeBron lives in mia on the beach chillin ny is a different animal not many players can deal with it and last time I checked that coward went to mia to team up with two other stars to avoid pressure LeBron is a baby ny would eat him alive

Okay. Let's all act like the Lakers didn't have multiple stars in the 80s and 2000s. Same with celtics. Just shut up about how he teamed up with other stars. It's happened for years.


There's a huge difference in being draft and taking a pay cut and joining two other superstars In their prime.

ink
06-25-2014, 02:06 PM
Okay. Let's all act like the Lakers didn't have multiple stars in the 80s and 2000s. Same with celtics. Just shut up about how he teamed up with other stars. It's happened for years.

There's a difference between stacked teams and teams that a superstar runs to. Even Pat Riley said that Lebron shouldn't run when the going gets tough. So, let's put this "it' happened for years" myth to bed. No one is talking about stacked teams. The point is about superstars that join their rivals instead of trying to beat them, and pre-planning it, as Magic, Bird, and Jordan have all stated when talking about LBJ.

Let's see what Lebron does first. I'm hoping he doesn't just load up on a 4th Olympic BFF in Melo, or that he jumps ship with Melo or anyone else to create another superteam somewhere else.

Super team does not mean stacked team, it means joining rivals to find the easier path to a championship.

Dade County
06-25-2014, 02:09 PM
I think Lebron can get Irving/wiggins or Parker/Thompson/vareajo and a few role players to the finals in the east.

Not if he has to go up against...

Wade, Bosh, Melo (maybe) and whoever Pat gets.

I have always stated this, I still see Miami going to the Finals, with a core of Wade, Bosh & Melo.

And if they do take a pay cut (which I don't think Wade should do), I see them getting Lowry and Gortat.

Lowry
Wade
Melo
Bosh
Gortat

Not saying this is going to definitely happen, but it very well can, with a man like Pat behind the scenes.

These guys are friends man, they will end up playing with each other no matter what anyone thinks. Melo will be playing along side either Lbj or Wade (or both). We just have to deal with it.

I like Houston & the Clippers chances too, but Melo isn't going to want to take a back sit to harden or Howard; he would gladly sacrifice his numbers for his brotherhood members.

Dade County
06-25-2014, 02:15 PM
There's a difference between stacked teams and teams that a superstar runs to. Even Pat Riley said that Lebron shouldn't run when the going gets tough. So, let's put this "it' happened for years" myth to bed. No one is talking about stacked teams. The point is about superstars that join their rivals instead of trying to beat them, and pre-planning it, as Magic, Bird, and Jordan have all stated when talking about LBJ.

Let's see what Lebron does first. I'm hoping he doesn't just load up on a 4th Olympic BFF in Melo, or that he jumps ship with Melo or anyone else to create another superteam somewhere else.

Super team does not mean stacked team, it means joining rivals to find the easier path to a championship.

This is the 1st time i have ever heard this... Not saying that it is right or wrong, just your way of thinking.

I consider the 80's Lakers and C's of being super stacked teams lol

ink
06-25-2014, 02:54 PM
This is the 1st time i have ever heard this... Not saying that it is right or wrong, just your way of thinking.

I consider the 80's Lakers and C's of being super stacked teams lol

Sure they were stacked. But the criticism of Lebron has always been (and may always be) that instead of competing against his rivals he joined them. I can provide the link to the quotes from Magic, Jordan and Bird.

This whole stacked team thing really has nothing to do with the issue. It's a red herring. Of course we all know there have been fantastic and stacked teams. It's always been about the way he did it, and people aren't just talking about "The Decision".

championships
06-25-2014, 03:00 PM
Great. Decision part 2. Coming soon to ESPN.

JNA17
06-25-2014, 03:04 PM
Great. Decision part 2. Coming soon to ESPN.

Yep. Can't wait to hear how "but he donated to charity!" As an excuse again even though donating to charity is literally the easiest thing rich people can do.

I just hope he doesn't go all "I'll take my talents to X" again because that kind of line just makes you sound like a prick no matter who you are.

NYKNYGNYY
06-25-2014, 03:16 PM
Melo and Lebron going to the Sixers. LOL

What's funny is whenever I play 2k association mode and finish. A season lebron always opts out and ALWAYS goes to the 76ers

h2r09
06-25-2014, 03:34 PM
Sure they were stacked. But the criticism of Lebron has always been (and may always be) that instead of competing against his rivals he joined them. I can provide the link to the quotes from Magic, Jordan and Bird.

This whole stacked team thing really has nothing to do with the issue. It's a red herring. Of course we all know there have been fantastic and stacked teams. It's always been about the way he did it, and people aren't just talking about "The Decision".

Lebron couldn't help that he got drafted by Cleveland. All those guys got drafted to great teams already in the Lakers and Celtics. If Cleveland had even been able to get another superstar or great team around him Lebron never would have left but he had to leave or be forced to always carry his team.

Nobody wants to go to Cleveland and thats why he left to get a better opportunity at a ring. You can even see today how Kevin Love reportedly would not sign an extension to play in Cleveland because why would you? Cleveland sucks compared to the other possible NBA destinations and thats why he had to leave because nobody is going to willingly play in Cleveland if they have other options.

IDK how you can still criticize him for forming a "super team" when they still got beaten 2 out of the 4 years they have been together. If he did something so incredibly unfair than he would have won all 4.
What is so wrong with putting himself in the best position to win? We always want our athletes to do anything to win and now he gets criticized and supposedly he should have put himself on a worse team so that people like you won't criticize him? Get a grip.

ink
06-25-2014, 03:44 PM
Sure they were stacked. But the criticism of Lebron has always been (and may always be) that instead of competing against his rivals he joined them. I can provide the link to the quotes from Magic, Jordan and Bird.

This whole stacked team thing really has nothing to do with the issue. It's a red herring. Of course we all know there have been fantastic and stacked teams. It's always been about the way he did it, and people aren't just talking about "The Decision".

Lebron couldn't help that he got drafted by Cleveland. All those guys got drafted to great teams already in the Lakers and Celtics. If Cleveland had even been able to get another superstar or great team around him Lebron never would have left but he had to leave or be forced to always carry his team.

Nobody wants to go to Cleveland and thats why he left to get a better opportunity at a ring. You can even see today how Kevin Love reportedly would not sign an extension to play in Cleveland because why would you? Cleveland sucks compared to the other possible NBA destinations and thats why he had to leave because nobody is going to willingly play in Cleveland if they have other options.

IDK how you can still criticize him for forming a "super team" when they still got beaten 2 out of the 4 years they have been together. If he did something so incredibly unfair than he would have won all 4.
What is so wrong with putting himself in the best position to win? We always want our athletes to do anything to win and now he gets criticized and supposedly he should have put himself on a worse team so that people like you won't criticize him? Get a grip.

Ask the HOFers. Or maybe you don't respect them. Taking the easy path to a championship devalues those championships. It would be the same for any of the other ring chaser generation including Howard, Melo, Paul, etc, all who quit on their teams. I don't believe superstars are automatically entitled to win championships and I'm not just singling out Lebron. As Riley says, it really is about guts.

h2r09
06-25-2014, 03:45 PM
As far as the topic of this thread, Lebron is going nowhere not only because he is in great position to win with a few tweaks in Miami, but there are almost no actual options for him to choose that would be better.

Lebron is not going to Cleveland, lets just get that out there. Maybe after another 3-4 year contract he would consider it as he would be on the downside of his career but he is not playing for an owner that publicly called him a coward in a city that has had forever to prove to him they can put a quality team around him yet nobody is going to sign long term there because Cleveland flat out sucks. Lets call a spade a spade, nobody wants to sign there longterm as a star in the NBA. Like I said maybe if whoever they choose tomorrow and Irving develop then in 3-4 year Lebron could consider it as his career winds down, but he isn't going there this year.

The Clippers are incredibly intriguing from a team standpoint and a location stand point but they don't have the cap room and they would not trade away a lot of their core for the "chance" that he would want to sign there. And there is no way the heat are helping out a team to sign lebron if they don't have the cap room to sign him. Maybe the heat would do a sign and trade for lebron to a team that does have the cap room and lebron has already chosen to sign there so that he can get the extra year on his contract, but Pat Riley and the heat are not going to help a team over the cap facilitate a way to leave the Heat. Its just not happening.

Houston would also be intriguing but the guys around the team here in Miami have said that Lebron doesnt really like Howard all that much and would;t have time for the complete lack of effort Harden shows defensively. Also, while LEbron brand pretty much trumps any city he isn't going to go to Houston.

Knicks- LOL

Thats why Lebron opting out, while everyone thinks is a sign he is leaving, is a great sign he is coming back to miami for the long term. If he opted in for another year there would be a lot more teams with more cap room next summer that would offer a lot more intriguing possibilities than the teams able to sign Lebron this summer. Simply put there is no destination that has the cap room and the attractiveness that the Heat offer.

Lebron isn't going anywhere.

h2r09
06-25-2014, 03:55 PM
Ask the HOFers. Or maybe you don't respect them. Taking the easy path to a championship devalues those championships. It would be the same for any of the other ring chaser generation including Howard, Melo, Paul, etc, all who quit on their teams. I don't believe players are entitled to win championships and I'm not just singling out Lebron. As Riley says, it really is about guts.

There is no easy path to a championship. Did you not watch the last 4 years of heat basketball? What about the last 4 years of basketball was easy?
2010 was the single most ridiculously criticized team in the history of basketball and they lost in the finals. Nothing was easy.
2011 Lebron dealt with a clearly aging wade in a shortened season and was put on the brink in the playoffs both going down 2-1 to Indy and going down 3-2 to the Celtics. They were also down in the finals after game one to the Thunder. There was nothing easy about that season.
2012 we also had to deal with yet another pesky indiana series as well as a memorable series against the spurs. This was their easiest and most fun year and even then there were several times in the playoffs where they were severely tested.
and this past year was obviously incredibly difficult on a very old team that was clearly not as good as the spurs.

So what about that was easy? Sure he put himself on a much better team but what exactly is wrong with that? Why should he have knowingly put himself on a worse team with awful management? He fulfilled his contract and wanted to actually play with a supporting cast where his best side kicks aren't Antawn Jamison or Big Z or Mo Williams. Nobody is winning with that supporting cast, they aren't going to get any draft picks because they are still very good because they have lebron, and they aren't going to be able to sign any free agents because as it has been shown time and time again nobody willingly wants to play for Cleveland. Hell even Jabari Parker would rather play in Milwaukee rather than cleveland. thats a bigger insult than Lebron leaving.

So give the guy a break and stop this nonsense of chasing a ring and taking the "easy" way out. Ya he went to a better team but that was well within his right after cleveland completely failed for 7 years to find any kind of good supporting cast. He went to a much better team but to say he took the "easy" route to the championship is completely idiotic because no championship is easy.

And as far as the Riley guts thing he was referring to Lebron leaving this current heat team because they lost in their fourth consecutive trip to the finals, not leaving cleveland. There are huge differences in those two that if you can't see this conversation is pointless.

ink
06-25-2014, 03:56 PM
Easier.

And again I respect the HOFers who say so. You can say their beliefs are idiotic but they have more cred than most of the entitled gen of stars do. They earned their rings differently and they've said so.

You don't have to agree.

Dade County
06-25-2014, 04:00 PM
IDK how you can still criticize him for forming a "super team" when they still got beaten 2 out of the 4 years they have been together. If he did something so incredibly unfair than he would have won all 4.
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I'm sorry, you forgot to put because of entertainment reasons.


Cheerio :)

h2r09
06-25-2014, 04:54 PM
Easier.

And again I respect the HOFers who say so. You can say their beliefs are idiotic but they have more cred than most of the entitled gen of stars do. They earned their rings differently and they've said so.

You don't have to agree.

Those hall of famers also played in a completely different nba with a lot fewer teams so the distribution of great players was fairly small. Almost every team had great players because they were simply less teams in the league. That doesn't make their opinion not valid but they can't talk about never changing teams and chasing rings when most teams were already much more stacked to begin with so the reasons Lebron changed teams never happened to them.

ink
06-25-2014, 05:19 PM
Those hall of famers also played in a completely different nba with a lot fewer teams so the distribution of great players was fairly small. Almost every team had great players because they were simply less teams in the league. That doesn't make their opinion not valid but they can't talk about never changing teams and chasing rings when most teams were already much more stacked to begin with so the reasons Lebron changed teams never happened to them.

You make a good point about the numbers of teams but Lebron was still the first to join his rivals. That crossed a line that few if any had crossed before. It was the competitive spirit to fight AGAINST your rival, not join them to gang up on everyone else. The fact that Riley is still questioning his intestinal fortitude shows that it is still very much an issue.

There's a huge irony to what happened after the Beijing Olympics in 2008 when the seeds for all of this debacle were sown. The Olympic spirit was completely lost and wasted on the leaders of the USA basketball team. It's bizarre. Look at the roster and look at the players who quit on their teams, as I mentioned before. They're the same people. Rather than bringing home Olympic values of fair competition they did exactly the opposite, coming home with the idea of ganging up into super teams. Hey, maybe it's not their fault but the organizers of Dream Team 1 and 2 created a monster for the league.

Bring The Heat
06-25-2014, 05:42 PM
There is no easy path to a championship. Did you not watch the last 4 years of heat basketball? What about the last 4 years of basketball was easy?
2010 was the single most ridiculously criticized team in the history of basketball and they lost in the finals. Nothing was easy.
2011 Lebron dealt with a clearly aging wade in a shortened season and was put on the brink in the playoffs both going down 2-1 to Indy and going down 3-2 to the Celtics. They were also down in the finals after game one to the Thunder. There was nothing easy about that season.
2012 we also had to deal with yet another pesky indiana series as well as a memorable series against the spurs. This was their easiest and most fun year and even then there were several times in the playoffs where they were severely tested.
and this past year was obviously incredibly difficult on a very old team that was clearly not as good as the spurs.

So what about that was easy? Sure he put himself on a much better team but what exactly is wrong with that? Why should he have knowingly put himself on a worse team with awful management? He fulfilled his contract and wanted to actually play with a supporting cast where his best side kicks aren't Antawn Jamison or Big Z or Mo Williams. Nobody is winning with that supporting cast, they aren't going to get any draft picks because they are still very good because they have lebron, and they aren't going to be able to sign any free agents because as it has been shown time and time again nobody willingly wants to play for Cleveland. Hell even Jabari Parker would rather play in Milwaukee rather than cleveland. thats a bigger insult than Lebron leaving.

So give the guy a break and stop this nonsense of chasing a ring and taking the "easy" way out. Ya he went to a better team but that was well within his right after cleveland completely failed for 7 years to find any kind of good supporting cast. He went to a much better team but to say he took the "easy" route to the championship is completely idiotic because no championship is easy.

And as far as the Riley guts thing he was referring to Lebron leaving this current heat team because they lost in their fourth consecutive trip to the finals, not leaving cleveland. There are huge differences in those two that if you can't see this conversation is pointless.



Good post.. I seriously don't understand this whole "Easy" thing.. Nothing has come easy for the
Heat they have had to battle through adversity at times... If it was so easy they would've broke the Bulls season record of 72-10, destroy absolutely everyone in their path and won 4 straight championships... That definitely hasn't been the case we lost 2 championships to better teams. As talented as our team is it has had it flaws with weaknesses in the interior and point guard position along with Wade's health issues.

And as far as Magic, Bird and all these guys not joining other teams... Well their teams were great to begin with! why the hell would they leave lol... Magic was playing alongside Kareem and Worthy... Bird himself also had a great team.. Not to mention the historic organizations they played for... Cleveland is not known for this and never has been... They don't attract other players.. You can't say if Magic, Bird or any other great player were in LeBron's position they wouldn't have done the same thing... Because they were never put in that position in their career ever.. That's why I hate people say "Magic or Bird would've never left their team"... How can people be so sure about that when they never had to deal with a team like LeBron had for 8 years... I mean if you think about it LeBron's best player was probably Mo Williams.. a guy who comes off the bench for Portland. Yeah a solid role player but not a sidekick who can help you get over the top.

h2r09
06-25-2014, 05:44 PM
You make a good point about the numbers of teams but Lebron was still the first to join his rivals. That crossed a line that few if any had crossed before. It was the competitive spirit to fight AGAINST your rival, not join them to gang up on everyone else. The fact that Riley is still questioning his intestinal fortitude shows that it is still very much an issue.

There's a huge irony to what happened after the Beijing Olympics in 2008 when the seeds for all of this debacle were sown. The Olympic spirit was completely lost and wasted on the leaders of the USA basketball team. It's bizarre. Look at the roster and look at the players who quit on their teams, as I mentioned before. They're the same people. Rather than bringing home Olympic values of fair competition they did exactly the opposite, coming home with the idea of ganging up into super teams. Hey, maybe it's not their fault but the organizers of Dream Team 1 and 2 created a monster for the league.

I think they viewed 2010 as a potential to team up but the thought was first brought up because of what the celtics did when kevin mchale handed them KG and they brought together a nearly unbeatable trio of stars who also fit together.

Lebron realized he needed to do something and he couldn't do anything because no one wanted to go to cleveland.

I would understand the criticism if it was a more attractive city but I have no problem with lebron leaving cleveland for a better team because they literally could not get one guy to sign in cleveland because it sucks. Even Kevin Love refused to sign an extension there and Jabari Parker pretty clearly would rather go to milwaukee.

ink
06-25-2014, 06:07 PM
I think they viewed 2010 as a potential to team up but the thought was first brought up because of what the celtics did when kevin mchale handed them KG and they brought together a nearly unbeatable trio of stars who also fit together.

Lebron realized he needed to do something and he couldn't do anything because no one wanted to go to cleveland.

I would understand the criticism if it was a more attractive city but I have no problem with lebron leaving cleveland for a better team because they literally could not get one guy to sign in cleveland because it sucks. Even Kevin Love refused to sign an extension there and Jabari Parker pretty clearly would rather go to milwaukee.

How will you be about him leaving MIA if/when that happens? Honest question.

I would not be thrilled, especially if he does it the same way, jerking people around before making up his mind. You might be fine with it but I have to agree with Riley that the gutsy thing to do would be to stick it out and grow as a team (and internally as a competitor).

And that still doesn't address the way the 2008 Olympic experience was ruinous for several teams that had players quit on them. I know you may not care about teams on the edge of the league but it matters to the competition and fairness levels in the L. LBJ set a low standard and suddenly a whole generation of entitled stars wanted to join their rivals. A low point for the L.

ink
06-25-2014, 06:12 PM
Good post.. I seriously don't understand this whole "Easy" thing.. Nothing has come easy for the
Heat they have had to battle through adversity at times... If it was so easy they would've broke the Bulls season record of 72-10, destroy absolutely everyone in their path and won 4 straight championships... That definitely hasn't been the case we lost 2 championships to better teams. As talented as our team is it has had it flaws with weaknesses in the interior and point guard position along with Wade's health issues.

And as far as Magic, Bird and all these guys not joining other teams... Well their teams were great to begin with! why the hell would they leave lol... Magic was playing alongside Kareem and Worthy... Bird himself also had a great team.. Not to mention the historic organizations they played for... Cleveland is not known for this and never has been... They don't attract other players.. You can't say if Magic, Bird or any other great player were in LeBron's position they wouldn't have done the same thing... Because they were never put in that position in their career ever.. That's why I hate people say "Magic or Bird would've never left their team"... How can people be so sure about that when they never had to deal with a team like LeBron had for 8 years... I mean if you think about it LeBron's best player was probably Mo Williams.. a guy who comes off the bench for Portland. Yeah a solid role player but not a sidekick who can help you get over the top.

If people only stay loyal to winning organizations you end up with a league where the championships are only ever won by the same small group of franchises in perpetuity -- either winning orgs or orgs with beaches lol. That's a massive problem the league faces now. It's a credibility problem for 75% of the franchises in the league if there's never a hope in hell of any of them ever winning anything. Again, I get that you may not care, but the league should care, and does, hence the stricter luxury tax regs in the CBA.

h2r09
06-25-2014, 06:18 PM
If people only stay loyal to winning organizations you end up with a league where the championships are only ever won by the same small group of franchises in perpetuity -- either winning orgs or orgs with beaches lol. That's a massive problem the league faces now. It's a credibility problem for 75% of the franchises in the league if there's never a hope in hell of any of them ever winning anything. Again, I get that you may not care, but the league should care, and does, hence the stricter luxury tax regs in the CBA.
I don't think it has to do simply with winning. Its the organizations who are well run. Hell the heat had a 15 win season and 2 first round exits before lebron came. But the Heat also had a plan and a well run organization and that is what players want.

Any team can win in this league or at least be very good on a yearly basis if they simply run their organization properly.

Team like the Kings who have absolutely 0 plan as to what they are even doing this offseason let alone in years after obviously won't get a star. But if you rebuild properly and have a plan any team can win in this league.

It has nothing to do with the CBA or whatever, i simply think it has to do with how teams are run.

NBA_Starter
06-25-2014, 06:25 PM
I am interested to see what Riley and company can do to convince him to stay.

ink
06-25-2014, 06:33 PM
I don't think it has to do simply with winning. Its the organizations who are well run. Hell the heat had a 15 win season and 2 first round exits before lebron came. But the Heat also had a plan and a well run organization and that is what players want.

Any team can win in this league or at least be very good on a yearly basis if they simply run their organization properly.

Team like the Kings who have absolutely 0 plan as to what they are even doing this offseason let alone in years after obviously won't get a star. But if you rebuild properly and have a plan any team can win in this league.

It has nothing to do with the CBA or whatever, i simply think it has to do with how teams are run.

You missed the part about the beach. ;) A league that struggles to have parity will struggle. It's a destination league which is at cross purposes with having 30 teams. Stars want to play in great climates and are only interested in other possible destinations if there's a winning culture or history. It's ludicrous to have the extra 20+ teams if they're never going to win, hold onto their stars or attract FAs regardless of how well those franchises are run.

A handful of teams have won championships over the past few decades. You can't tell me that all of the rest of the L's teams are poorly run. It's about joining rivals, finding the easier path. That's what Lebron did, and what other Olympians tried to do too. For some it blew up in their face (Melo to Knicks, Howard to Lakers), for others the jury's still out (Paul to Clippers). But it all started with LBJ and Bosh.

Wade n Fade
06-25-2014, 11:17 PM
For those of you who like the TMZ lifestyle (I don't like to heckle the stars and I don't patronize people who do this, but it's to prove a point if you really want to borrow it, I don't like TMZ and heckling):
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>LeBron and Savannah James show up later than Beyoncé with LeBron sporting a Miami Heat hat. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ontherun?src=hash">#ontherun</a></p>&mdash; Lesley Abravanel (@lesleyabravanel) <a href="https://twitter.com/lesleyabravanel/statuses/481981510858584064">June 26, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Nikeman
06-26-2014, 12:14 AM
For those of you who like the TMZ lifestyle (I don't like to heckle the stars and I don't patronize people who do this, but it's to prove a point if you really want to borrow it, I don't like TMZ and heckling):
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>LeBron and Savannah James show up later than Beyoncé with LeBron sporting a Miami Heat hat. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ontherun?src=hash">#ontherun</a></p>— Lesley Abravanel (@lesleyabravanel) <a href="https://twitter.com/lesleyabravanel/statuses/481981510858584064">June 26, 2014</a></blockquote>
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LOL what other hat would he wear. Non news man

Wade n Fade
06-26-2014, 12:23 AM
LOL what other hat would he wear. Non news man

Liverpool hat?

NYSpirit1
06-26-2014, 12:53 AM
If NY was really an option for LeBron, Phil should explore it.

It shouldn't be THAT difficult to trade Amare and Bargnani's contracts, if need be.

Why?

Phili and Charlotte are perfect trade partners. You figure they won't be big time in free agency this year anyway. Two simple swaps will clear $41 million off the books and leave the Knicks with just $18 million in committed salary. Enough to give LeBron and Melo max deals, while signing a mid level guy and keeping Jose Calderon.

The two deals:

Charlotte sends future pick considerations to the Knicks while taking back Andrea Bargnani, Shane Larkin and Iman Shumpert
Phili sends future pick considerations to the Knicks while taking back Amare Stoudemire and Tim Hardaway Jr.

Why would Charlotte and Phili NOT take the one year contracts of Amare & Bargnani to get some young assets like that? TH Jr. is very promising and Larkin was highly touted in last year's draft. Shumpert can be a defensive demon.

The only way you do this is if LeBron gives you a commitment.

PraiseJesus
06-27-2014, 03:08 AM
My reasoning for predicting Lebron in NYC is the following:

NYC is the biggest sports market in the country, maybe the world

Despite what people say, NYC or LA is the best place for a figure like LeBron to expand his brand expotentially and globally

Phil Jackson's arrival and his 13 rings should make the Knicks a VERY attractive option for LeBron. He's stated in the past that he wants to play in the triangle offense, which basically means he wants to play for Phil.

The Knicks are one of the most prestigious franchises in the NBA but hasn't had a star on LeBrons level in it's history. This leaves open the opportunity for LeBron to make the Knicks his team and NYC his city.

The Knicks and MSG would become THEE must see event in NYC with LeBron

LeBron going to the Knicks would signal to everyone that he's going to build his own team rather than goto someone elses (Wade and Heat)

LeBron would be wise to goto a team that's in the Eastern conference

D Fish is going to be a fantastic head coach and his partnership with Phil Jackson is a seamless mesh of philosphy and strategy among the ranks of basketball operations.


The only thing holding back LeBron going to NYC is the roster, namely Amare... whom is a free agent next year I believe.

I don't see any articles or hear anything about the Knicks being serious contender for LeBron and Melo so I'm unsure how they could make it work... but I know that there is a scenario out there where the Knicks can add those 2 guys... there HAS to be.

Above all else, the thought of LeBron staying in Miami or going to Houston makes me sick to my stomach. Miami isn't a sports town or a major market and he's kinda wasting away down there in my opinion. It's also getting boring seeing the same play acted out over and over---the Heat skipping to the finals the last 4 years... Houston is a team of front runners and pretenders. Dwight is a joke and Harden is a defensive liability. Plus I feel like LeBron would not goto the West.

LeBron wasn't ready for NYC 4 years ago. He couldn't handle it.

He can now. He's ready

Phil Jackson is there waiting for him.

Lebron + Phil + Dfish + Triangle will be a run for the ages

If LeBron and his people don't realize this then they should... and it's what's best for the entire NBA

It would make the NBA interesting again. The NBA NEEDS NYC to have a good team and has needed it for a long time.


I made my prediction the day that Phil went to the Knicks and I'm still standing by it because it seems like the obvious thing to do from my perspective.


I needed to get all of this off my chest, I barely watched the NBA last year because it was so uninteresting...
and I know that I'm not alone in that at all. Seeing ANOTHER rematch of the Spurs and Heat may be a death sentence for NBA ratings...


I know my NBA fandom hangs in the balance with Lebron and his path from a great player to a Legend leads directly through NYC and always has.

3ballbomber
06-27-2014, 03:18 AM
How will you be about him leaving MIA if/when that happens? Honest question.

I would not be thrilled, especially if he does it the same way, jerking people around before making up his mind. You might be fine with it but I have to agree with Riley that the gutsy thing to do would be to stick it out and grow as a team (and internally as a competitor).

And that still doesn't address the way the 2008 Olympic experience was ruinous for several teams that had players quit on them. I know you may not care about teams on the edge of the league but it matters to the competition and fairness levels in the L. LBJ set a low standard and suddenly a whole generation of entitled stars wanted to join their rivals. A low point for the L.
people are enamored w/ glitter & gold. This is what the Big 3 represented to the detriment of the true nature of competition. All we can hope for is for Miami's 3 to break apart and set a better standard for not only the league but the youth out there who are fans of the NBA who are given the wrong message.

3ballbomber
06-27-2014, 03:37 AM
You missed the part about the beach. ;)
A handful of teams have won championships over the past few decades. You can't tell me that all of the rest of the L's teams are poorly run. It's about joining rivals, finding the easier path. That's what Lebron did, and what other Olympians tried to do too. For some it blew up in their face (Melo to Knicks, Howard to Lakers), for others the jury's still out (Paul to Clippers). But it all started with LBJ and Bosh.
The ramifications of the forming of the Big 3 in Miami has not only lead to the lack of loyalty, competition for players today & short cutting of titles but the biggest consequence is players/teams being forced to stack their teams w/ all stars in order to be able to compete against the Miami's & the Clippers of the league. So it's not only become a more common desire but a means to compete. It certainly is the lowest era for the NBA we've ever seen.


This is why the Spurs win over Miami was such a significant victory for not only the aging veterans but it was an important win w/ a message. Built vs Bought, Earned not Given, faithful vs disloyalty. Some of you may disagree w/ that but it's the stigma that comes with the Miami Heat wether you like it or not! If what Lebron & his friends did was ok then how do you all explain the massive backlash! The criticism is justified.

Dade County
06-27-2014, 03:58 AM
If people only stay loyal to winning organizations you end up with a league where the championships are only ever won by the same small group of franchises in perpetuity -- either winning orgs or orgs with beaches lol. That's a massive problem the league faces now. It's a credibility problem for 75% of the franchises in the league if there's never a hope in hell of any of them ever winning anything. Again, I get that you may not care, but the league should care, and does, hence the stricter luxury tax regs in the CBA.

I've read most of your post in this particular conversion about loyalty and player movement.

What you are asking most players to do, is to forget about all the aspirations they ever had of winning a title or being apart of a winning franchise IF THAT PLAYER WASN'T LUCKY ENOUGH TO BE DRAFTED BY A WINNING ORGANIZATION.

What you are saying makes business sense and creating a platform where most fans can enjoy the game more; but what about what the players want?

Because if the league ever turns into your ideal way of thinking, it will be a breathing ground of corruption (more then it is NOW). Most players would be only playing for the money; no motivation, no passion, just strictly for the money.

Yeah sure some players would still play the game the way it's supposed to be played, but I am sure after a decade in this environment; they would say **** it too, and just do whatever.

Players taking their future in their own hands, shows that they just wont sit around and let someone decide their destiny for them.

So be careful what you ask for (even though I do see your point)... because believe or not, this league is rigged now, just imagine from day one if these players didn't give a ****.

Dade County
06-27-2014, 04:06 AM
This is why the Spurs win over Miami was such a significant victory for not only the aging veterans but it was an important win w/ a message. Built vs Bought, Earned not Given, faithful vs disloyalty.

And what if 10yrs from now, you find out that it was staged? That hard proof was released that the league set up that entire series, and the HEAT could have blown the doors off of the Spurs, but the league wanted people to think the same way you are thinking now?

Because that would be better for the league.

How would that make you feel?




Some of you may disagree w/ that but it's the stigma that comes with the Miami Heat wether you like it or not! If what Lebron & his friends did was ok then how do you all explain the massive backlash! The criticism is justified.

I really think this was brought on by the media, and behind them was the league. The league/owners never liked the move, that Lbj & Pat did.

It played other owners... Owners that actually thought they could land Lbj. So the media ran with it and created all this negativity.

If it was planned and everyone was in on it, then they would have created a story for the public to except it.

PraiseJesus
06-27-2014, 04:09 AM
Bottom line is that the owners and their attempt to create "competitive balance" is completely and utterly backfiring on them in a disastrous way.

Their attempts to create 'competitive balance' are really a facade to MAKE THEM MORE MONEY at the expense of players and fans.

The inflexibility of teams to offer longer contracts or more money to players has influenced guys like Lebron to simply take a little less money and play with his superstar friends. This create a competitive advantage over teams paying players average amounts because they are STUCK with their overpaid players and unable to make any changes.

What the Heat are doing in Miami is actually genius when you think about it. They have taken an unfair system designed to hold players hostage in their small market teams and used it hold the owners hostage.

Based on what I'm seeing, Lebron is going back to the Heat and Melo is joining him. This disgust me in one hand but also gives me hope that it will be a catalyst for changes in the CBA at the next opportunity.


The notion that NBA teams are losing money should be completely put to rest with the Clippers selling for $2 billion. If a team is worth that much money then someone like Lebron should NEVER be limited to making a measly 24 million a year for 5 years.

Opening up the abil;ity for teams to pay player more money and make more changes needs to happen. It will actualyl create better competitive balance

numba1CHANGsta
06-27-2014, 04:36 AM
Heat fans don't deserve a player like LeBron, they show up late to games and leave early lmao

3ballbomber
06-27-2014, 07:54 AM
And what if 10yrs from now, you find out that it was staged? That hard proof was released that the league set up that entire series, and the HEAT could have blown the doors off of the Spurs, but the league wanted people to think the same way you are thinking now?

Because that would be better for the league.

How would that make you feel?




I really think this was brought on by the media, and behind them was the league. The league/owners never liked the move, that Lbj & Pat did.

It played other owners... Owners that actually thought they could land Lbj. So the media ran with it and created all this negativity.

If it was planned and everyone was in on it, then they would have created a story for the public to except it.
First one was a great point & i'll elaborate below but the last i can't agree on much.

I wager on the NBA & like yourself believe that the league is corrupt. I'd like to link you my page on a wagering site but i'm sure it would violate some sort of code here. I explained in it prior to key games mentioned how if the league indeed wanted Spurs to advance not only would they defeat OKC but then they would go on to beat Miami in game 1 & game 3 - Game 3 being the pivotal game where the winner of wich goes on to win the finals like 80% of the time. Game 1 because if indeed the league wanted the Spurs to win they cannot risk them going down 0-1 to a dangerous squad. Furthermore i stated how if Spurs are 'supposed' to win they would win below 7 games. The shorter the better for the aging Squad. Not only did Spurs defeat OKC but they won game 1 & 3....and then took Miami below 7 games (would have never guessed it would only go to 5). I actually had money on Spurs in 6. I eventually hit a percentage clip of 85+% or something wich is nuts. And based most of my picks on the fixed/corrupt angle.

I believe it was set up from the start for Spurs to win the title. I stated how the league are in clean up mode from all the Tim Donaghy, bad/dirty officials/officiating, players colluding, the decision/miami big 3, lotto fixing etc etc. issues and since Stern retired they want to make it 'seem' as if they are trying to take back the integrity of the league. so why not let the antithesis of Miami defeated the Heat & allow a team that shows integrity & loyalty to beat the team that showed the complete opposite and brought the league even more negativity. From the moment Spurs beat OKC i knew what was to play out. I resumed to bet the Spurs in every game - You would have gone 4-1 if you backed Spurs all the way. To prove i didn't just bet Spurs simply because i wanted Heat to lose, i bet Miami BIG for the series last season & was my biggest payout to date.

But anyway, back to the point of built not bought, faithful not disloyal etc. despite of the league being dirty it doesn't take away form the fact that is the stigma attached to not only Miami but it's championships. That is just fact wether Heat & Lebron fans like it or not. It's not 'hate' or 'hating' it's the way people see & recognize it as. Although Miami could have won that series had the refs given them a helping hand (i believe refs gave Spurs the advantage - this will now have Spurs fans hating me as well as Miami lol) it doesn't take anything away from how people perceive Miami.


So saying that ........no, it's not the media that pushes these opinions. Probably the complete opposite. This is simply in honesty the way people feel about them. You also have to realize what an absolute cash cow having Lebron, Bosh & Wade in the same team is for the league. Then you add Ray Allen, who was from Heats biggest hated rival Boston & it's ratings & revenues bonanza for the NBA. If anything the media & NBA promoted the hell out of them & once they won that first title the media whent from casting them w/ negativity to hailing them as hero's and all of a sudden good guys. It may seem, from a Miami Heat fan's stand point that the entire world is hailing down on them but it's simply what we perceive in honesty & nobody can sway our opinions, much like we can't with any of you.

Asik's better
06-27-2014, 08:55 AM
Bottom line is that the owners and their attempt to create "competitive balance" is completely and utterly backfiring on them in a disastrous way.

Their attempts to create 'competitive balance' are really a facade to MAKE THEM MORE MONEY at the expense of players and fans.

The inflexibility of teams to offer longer contracts or more money to players has influenced guys like Lebron to simply take a little less money and play with his superstar friends. This create a competitive advantage over teams paying players average amounts because they are STUCK with their overpaid players and unable to make any changes.

What the Heat are doing in Miami is actually genius when you think about it. They have taken an unfair system designed to hold players hostage in their small market teams and used it hold the owners hostage.

Based on what I'm seeing, Lebron is going back to the Heat and Melo is joining him. This disgust me in one hand but also gives me hope that it will be a catalyst for changes in the CBA at the next opportunity.


The notion that NBA teams are losing money should be completely put to rest with the Clippers selling for $2 billion. If a team is worth that much money then someone like Lebron should NEVER be limited to making a measly 24 million a year for 5 years.

Opening up the abil;ity for teams to pay player more money and make more changes needs to happen. It will actualyl create better competitive balance


First one was a great point & i'll elaborate below but the last i can't agree on much.

I wager on the NBA & like yourself believe that the league is corrupt. I'd like to link you my page on a wagering site but i'm sure it would violate some sort of code here. I explained in it prior to key games mentioned how if the league indeed wanted Spurs to advance not only would they defeat OKC but then they would go on to beat Miami in game 1 & game 3 - Game 3 being the pivotal game where the winner of wich goes on to win the finals like 80% of the time. Game 1 because if indeed the league wanted the Spurs to win they cannot risk them going down 0-1 to a dangerous squad. Furthermore i stated how if Spurs are 'supposed' to win they would win below 7 games. The shorter the better for the aging Squad. Not only did Spurs defeat OKC but they won game 1 & 3....and then took Miami below 7 games (would have never guessed it would only go to 5). I actually had money on Spurs in 6. I eventually hit a percentage clip of 85+% or something wich is nuts. And based most of my picks on the fixed/corrupt angle.

I believe it was set up from the start for Spurs to win the title. I stated how the league are in clean up mode from all the Tim Donaghy, bad/dirty officials/officiating, players colluding, the decision/miami big 3, lotto fixing etc etc. issues and since Stern retired they want to make it 'seem' as if they are trying to take back the integrity of the league. so why not let the antithesis of Miami defeated the Heat & allow a team that shows integrity & loyalty to beat the team that showed the complete opposite and brought the league even more negativity. From the moment Spurs beat OKC i knew what was to play out. I resumed to bet the Spurs in every game - You would have gone 4-1 if you backed Spurs all the way. To prove i didn't just bet Spurs simply because i wanted Heat to lose, i bet Miami BIG for the series last season & was my biggest payout to date.

But anyway, back to the point of built not bought, faithful not disloyal etc. despite of the league being dirty it doesn't take away form the fact that is the stigma attached to not only Miami but it's championships. That is just fact wether Heat & Lebron fans like it or not. It's not 'hate' or 'hating' it's the way people see & recognize it as. Although Miami could have won that series had the refs given them a helping hand (i believe refs gave Spurs the advantage - this will now have Spurs fans hating me as well as Miami lol) it doesn't take anything away from how people perceive Miami.


So saying that ........no, it's not the media that pushes these opinions. Probably the complete opposite. This is simply in honesty the way people feel about them. You also have to realize what an absolute cash cow having Lebron, Bosh & Wade in the same team is for the league. Then you add Ray Allen, who was from Heats biggest hated rival Boston & it's ratings & revenues bonanza for the NBA. If anything the media & NBA promoted the hell out of them & once they won that first title the media whent from casting them w/ negativity to hailing them as hero's and all of a sudden good guys. It may seem, from a Miami Heat fan's stand point that the entire world is hailing down on them but it's simply what we perceive in honesty & nobody can sway our opinions, much like we can't with any of you.
Two of the wierder posts I've read on here in awhile.

FOXHOUND
06-27-2014, 09:02 AM
Bottom line is that the owners and their attempt to create "competitive balance" is completely and utterly backfiring on them in a disastrous way.

Their attempts to create 'competitive balance' are really a facade to MAKE THEM MORE MONEY at the expense of players and fans.

The inflexibility of teams to offer longer contracts or more money to players has influenced guys like Lebron to simply take a little less money and play with his superstar friends. This create a competitive advantage over teams paying players average amounts because they are STUCK with their overpaid players and unable to make any changes.

What the Heat are doing in Miami is actually genius when you think about it. They have taken an unfair system designed to hold players hostage in their small market teams and used it hold the owners hostage.

Based on what I'm seeing, Lebron is going back to the Heat and Melo is joining him. This disgust me in one hand but also gives me hope that it will be a catalyst for changes in the CBA at the next opportunity.


The notion that NBA teams are losing money should be completely put to rest with the Clippers selling for $2 billion. If a team is worth that much money then someone like Lebron should NEVER be limited to making a measly 24 million a year for 5 years.

Opening up the abil;ity for teams to pay player more money and make more changes needs to happen. It will actualyl create better competitive balance

The new CBA has put together AFTER 2010, so it had zero impact on what they did in Miami. It's rules in the new CBA that is making it so hard for them to do the same thing this offseason. The competitive balance is slowly shifting towards more parity. There's plenty of small market teams who are building up and you have many teams in the later first round (read: playoff teams) selling/dumping their picks as to not add another player and to keep payroll down. Contracts are slowly balancing out, the amount of bad contracts will be severely cut down around the league in due time. Once that happens there will be more balance.

Wade n Fade
06-27-2014, 10:09 AM
Heat fans don't deserve a player like LeBron, they show up late to games and leave early lmao

By that logic, the Lakers' fans don't deserve any all-star, namely Kome Bryant?

EL_MACHETE
06-27-2014, 10:39 AM
By that logic, the Lakers' fans don't deserve any all-star, namely Kome Bryant?

Kome Bryant??? Yea They Don't Need Him.
But They Can Have Kobe Bryant Though :)

Thumper 88
06-27-2014, 10:41 AM
Two of the wierder posts I've read on here in awhile.
I thought the same thing lol

ink
06-27-2014, 11:45 AM
I've read most of your post in this particular conversion about loyalty and player movement.

What you are asking most players to do, is to forget about all the aspirations they ever had of winning a title or being apart of a winning franchise IF THAT PLAYER WASN'T LUCKY ENOUGH TO BE DRAFTED BY A WINNING ORGANIZATION.

What you are saying makes business sense and creating a platform where most fans can enjoy the game more; but what about what the players want?

Because if the league ever turns into your ideal way of thinking, it will be a breathing ground of corruption (more then it is NOW). Most players would be only playing for the money; no motivation, no passion, just strictly for the money.

Yeah sure some players would still play the game the way it's supposed to be played, but I am sure after a decade in this environment; they would say **** it too, and just do whatever.

Players taking their future in their own hands, shows that they just wont sit around and let someone decide their destiny for them.

So be careful what you ask for (even though I do see your point)... because believe or not, this league is rigged now, just imagine from day one if these players didn't give a ****.

They'd have the same motivation other players had before. Competitiveness, pride, dignity, ambition that's not blind, fairness. I don't see the armageddon you're envisioning just by returning to what has worked for generations before. Lebron and the Olympic BFFs (Howard, Paul, Melo, Bosh, etc) are the outliers. They were the first to join their rivals as a means to win championships. The league isn't guilt free either because they created the financial and ego-driven climate that players like this grew up twisted in. Remember, it's them who are the outliers.

Dade County
06-27-2014, 12:23 PM
First one was a great point & i'll elaborate below but the last i can't agree on much.

I wager on the NBA & like yourself believe that the league is corrupt. I'd like to link you my page on a wagering site but i'm sure it would violate some sort of code here. I explained in it prior to key games mentioned how if the league indeed wanted Spurs to advance not only would they defeat OKC but then they would go on to beat Miami in game 1 & game 3 - Game 3 being the pivotal game where the winner of wich goes on to win the finals like 80% of the time. Game 1 because if indeed the league wanted the Spurs to win they cannot risk them going down 0-1 to a dangerous squad. Furthermore i stated how if Spurs are 'supposed' to win they would win below 7 games. The shorter the better for the aging Squad. Not only did Spurs defeat OKC but they won game 1 & 3....and then took Miami below 7 games (would have never guessed it would only go to 5). I actually had money on Spurs in 6. I eventually hit a percentage clip of 85+% or something wich is nuts. And based most of my picks on the fixed/corrupt angle.

I believe it was set up from the start for Spurs to win the title. I stated how the league are in clean up mode from all the Tim Donaghy, bad/dirty officials/officiating, players colluding, the decision/miami big 3, lotto fixing etc etc. issues and since Stern retired they want to make it 'seem' as if they are trying to take back the integrity of the league. so why not let the antithesis of Miami defeated the Heat & allow a team that shows integrity & loyalty to beat the team that showed the complete opposite and brought the league even more negativity. From the moment Spurs beat OKC i knew what was to play out. I resumed to bet the Spurs in every game - You would have gone 4-1 if you backed Spurs all the way. To prove i didn't just bet Spurs simply because i wanted Heat to lose, i bet Miami BIG for the series last season & was my biggest payout to date.

But anyway, back to the point of built not bought, faithful not disloyal etc. despite of the league being dirty it doesn't take away form the fact that is the stigma attached to not only Miami but it's championships. That is just fact wether Heat & Lebron fans like it or not. It's not 'hate' or 'hating' it's the way people see & recognize it as. Although Miami could have won that series had the refs given them a helping hand (i believe refs gave Spurs the advantage - this will now have Spurs fans hating me as well as Miami lol) it doesn't take anything away from how people perceive Miami.


So saying that ........no, it's not the media that pushes these opinions. Probably the complete opposite. This is simply in honesty the way people feel about them. You also have to realize what an absolute cash cow having Lebron, Bosh & Wade in the same team is for the league. Then you add Ray Allen, who was from Heats biggest hated rival Boston & it's ratings & revenues bonanza for the NBA. If anything the media & NBA promoted the hell out of them & once they won that first title the media whent from casting them w/ negativity to hailing them as hero's and all of a sudden good guys. It may seem, from a Miami Heat fan's stand point that the entire world is hailing down on them but it's simply what we perceive in honesty & nobody can sway our opinions, much like we can't with any of you.

You are not factoring in that the league doesn't only depend on the refs to fix games, they have long ago recruited the players too.

Not a large number number of players.



They'd have the same motivation other players had before. Competitiveness, pride, dignity, ambition that's not blind, fairness. I don't see the armageddon you're envisioning just by returning to what has worked for generations before. Lebron and the Olympic BFFs (Howard, Paul, Melo, Bosh, etc) are the outliers. They were the first to join their rivals as a means to win championships. The league isn't guilt free either because they created the financial and ego-driven climate that players like this grew up twisted in. Remember, it's them who are the outliers.

I don't think you are factoring in the times we leave in.

Old school mentality (more or less)... Yes sir, what can I do for you sir lol Ok I went to far.

New School... Damn right I'm good enough to make it into this league, where my money at?

This has nothing to do with Lbj or super friends, this has more to do with how the majority of the society thinks. Guys are not just going to sit around and say, well this team drafted me, so I'm staying her for a decade. Why?


And free agency wasn't the same in the 80's like how it is now.