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JasonJohnHorn
06-09-2014, 10:36 PM
Kerr just signed for 5 mil per: NEVER COACHED A GAME!

Derek Fisher just signed: 5 years X 25 million. No 'experience', though he's been coaching/mentoring for years now.

Fisher, on a side note, will make nearly HALF of what he made in 20 years as a player in 5 years as a coach. He is getting paid almost double his annual salary of just over 3 million a year.

SVG is getting SEVEN MILLION per year, making him the HIGHEST paid coach in the league and he's never even won a ring. Though he is POBBO as well (though Pop was doing that early in his career in SA and winning rings and wasn't making half that).

Putting this into context:

Pop: 4 rings + 6 final appearances makes 6 million per and has been coaching over 20 years.

Doc is making 7 (as much as SVG) and has been to the finals twice and has a ring.

Thibs, who is considered among the very best coaches in the league, makes > 5 million.

And Spo, who is the ONLY active coach to lead a team to 4 straight finals appearances, only makes 3 million (less than half of SVG). He's got 2 rings and 4 finals appearances in six years and is averaging over 50 wins a season on his career! Which is pretty good considering he took over a lottery team his first year and his second year was playing on a roster where all the contract were cleared out to make room to sigh LBJ and Bosh.

These coaches salaries are out of WACK! I think Fisher is a good investment, don't get me wrong. If there was one player in the league over the last 20 years I thought would make a great coach, it's Fisher. But... WOW! How did the market price for a coach shoot up so far?

Raps18-19 Champ
06-09-2014, 10:54 PM
That's the going rate now. :shrug:

If those guys you mentioned are FA's, they'd get more than what Fisher, SVG, Kerr is getting.

torocan
06-09-2014, 11:39 PM
Pops gives SA a hometown discount. No different than his players.

If Pops went on the open market, what do you think he'd really command? Easily $7-10M+.

And why do we care what coaches get paid? It's still a fraction of the salary of the best players on the team, and it doesn't influence the cap. Heck, it's often less than MLE money and that barely gets you a decent rotation player.

Let's also not forget that not all coaching gigs are the same. The size of the market impacts the money available, as well as the desirability of the gig. Part of why Spoelstra makes less is because if the job was vacant there would be a line going out through the door of quality Head Coaches that would want the job.

Supply and demand. High quality coaches can drive up the salary simply because there's not a lot of them. And high quality rosters can drive down the salary for the job since the best coaches prefer to go to teams that are ready versus jumping into a rebuilding gig.

Anyway, it doesn't affect a team's cap space and it comes out of the pockets of the billionaires, so why should I care?

beasted86
06-09-2014, 11:53 PM
I don't care what coaches are paid. Just don't go crying during the lockout that you are losing money because you are paying Laurence Frank, Mo Cheeks, and SVG all at the same time, in the case of Detroit. Or Byron Scott, Mike Brown, and "unknown" all at the same time, which will be the Cavs.

These are just 2 current examples of middle/small market teams blowing money because they are inept at running a front office.

NYKINFL
06-10-2014, 12:02 AM
I don't feel sorry for pop that's his choice to take six mil per and there's nothing wrong with what he makes or other coach for that matter; its up to the owner what they want pay out.

Crackadalic
06-10-2014, 12:05 AM
If anything there underpaid. You got rookie players getting paid more then The average nba coach. If anything it's the ncaa coaches that are overpaid to a certain extent and the players not getting a dime. Now that's a travesty

Deception
06-10-2014, 12:10 AM
When you're a team is a small market team, you always will find yourself overpaying, whether it come as free agents or staff.

Crackadalic
06-10-2014, 12:17 AM
Also with teams firing coaches left to right even with 50 win season can you blame rookie and vet coaches to want more security?

Chrisclover
06-10-2014, 12:24 AM
Fisher shall get a 3-year contract--3 million per year.
But Phil can not afford to lose another candidate again. He has to up the ante.

MrfadeawayJB
06-10-2014, 12:28 AM
Yeah it's getting ridiculous. At the end of the day if will result in added pressure and more firing IMO

*Superman*
06-10-2014, 12:29 AM
Yes it's a lot. But who cares? It's not like it affects the cap space or something. If the owners want to cough up serious cash for a coach, who can stop them?

Sactown
06-10-2014, 12:31 AM
If Pop became a free agent and went to the highest bidder I could easily see 12-15 a year

beasted86
06-10-2014, 12:32 AM
Yeah it's getting ridiculous. At the end of the day if will result in added pressure and more firing IMO

It will also resort in new coaches trying to extort a franchise's desperation.

If I'm Stan Van Gundy, and I just watched the Pistons fire John Kuester, Lawrence Frank, and Mo Cheeks all in consecutive years... I know they are desperate at this point. Nobody credible wanted that job.

LongIslandIcedZ
06-10-2014, 12:38 AM
It doesnt affect the cap, just the owners pockets.

I dont think it really matters at all.

abe_froman
06-10-2014, 01:15 AM
seriously,we're gonna complain about that now? i mean,why do you care,its not hindering your fav team in anyway(doesnt affect the cap)

Raps18-19 Champ
06-10-2014, 01:36 AM
seriously,we're gonna complain about that now? i mean,why do you care,its not hindering your fav team in anyway(doesnt affect the cap)

Doesn't go against the cap but that could be money you could use to pay the luxury taxes.

PurpleLynch
06-10-2014, 06:45 AM
Coaching hires are getting bizarre. A lot of money offered,strange composition of powers in the FO and coaching staff,a lot of unproved coaches in big market teams,a lot of firing...I don't know,Kidd did pretty okay,we'll see if Nba FOs are becoming crazy or they have an objective. Still I agree with you,they are overpaying coaches that are unproven,but after all it's just a team thing,the cap is not affected.

Ty22Mitchell
06-10-2014, 07:02 AM
No one in Detroit is desperate a$$hole. They just want what every other team wants... To win. You put the 04 Pistons or 88-90 Bad Boys against any of the past three cHeat teams and it would be a slaughterhouse. Lebron wouldn't even make it to cramp status because he would have given up by now. Detroit has consistently built contenders over the decades. They don't buy them.



Popcorn in hand..... Waiting for someone to take the bait on this....

ewing
06-10-2014, 07:25 AM
the knicks are stupid

MonroeFAN
06-10-2014, 07:52 AM
There is nothing special about Doc Rivers. He and SVG should be considered equal. Give SVG KG, Ray Allen & Pierce close to their primes and he would have won twice.

MonroeFAN
06-10-2014, 07:54 AM
and why even bring up Spoel?

He could be replaced with a poorly trained monkey and no one would notice.

JasonJohnHorn
06-10-2014, 01:18 PM
It's still a fraction of the salary of the best players on the team, ?

SVG 7 mil > Greg Monre 4 mil > Andre Drummond 2 mil


SVG actually gets paid MORE than Detroits two best players COMBINED!

JasonJohnHorn
06-10-2014, 01:24 PM
Popcorn in hand..... Waiting for someone to take the bait on this....

In all honesty, I believe if you put the 04 Pistons or the 89 and 90 Pistons against the Heat, those Pistons teams would handily win. Their defense was better and their rebounding was WAY better. I don't see the Heat being able to compensate for that. Especially for the 89 and 90 Pistons squads.

That said, I don't think that has anything to do with coaches getting over paid?

abe_froman
06-10-2014, 01:27 PM
SVG 7 mil > Greg Monre 4 mil > Andre Drummond 2 mil


SVG actually gets paid MORE than Detroits two best players COMBINED!

drummond and monroe are on rookie scale,that doesnt count,just wait til their first extension/free agent contract

KnicksorBust
06-10-2014, 03:41 PM
Pops gives SA a hometown discount. No different than his players.

If Pops went on the open market, what do you think he'd really command? Easily $7-10M+.

And why do we care what coaches get paid? It's still a fraction of the salary of the best players on the team, and it doesn't influence the cap. Heck, it's often less than MLE money and that barely gets you a decent rotation player.

Let's also not forget that not all coaching gigs are the same. The size of the market impacts the money available, as well as the desirability of the gig. Part of why Spoelstra makes less is because if the job was vacant there would be a line going out through the door of quality Head Coaches that would want the job.

Supply and demand. High quality coaches can drive up the salary simply because there's not a lot of them. And high quality rosters can drive down the salary for the job since the best coaches prefer to go to teams that are ready versus jumping into a rebuilding gig.

Anyway, it doesn't affect a team's cap space and it comes out of the pockets of the billionaires, so why should I care?

This + Inflation. Eventually a coach will make $20 million per season. Just give it time.

NBA_Starter
06-10-2014, 03:48 PM
They are definitely on the uptick, I think the last two guys are way high for having no coaching experience.

THE MTL
06-10-2014, 04:10 PM
Didnt the Cavs try to give John Callipari 70-80million over 6 years.

beasted86
06-10-2014, 06:14 PM
In all honesty, I believe if you put the 04 Pistons or the 89 and 90 Pistons against the Heat, those Pistons teams would handily win. Their defense was better and their rebounding was WAY better. I don't see the Heat being able to compensate for that. Especially for the 89 and 90 Pistons squads.

That said, I don't think that has anything to do with coaches getting over paid?

The HEAT should smash the Bad Boys Pistons in a sweep by shooting 60 free throws a game. The 04 Pistons would have their DPOY on the bench once they get lit up by Bosh and Lewis a few times from 3pt land, and then LeBron and Wade would destroy them the same.

Silent
06-10-2014, 06:25 PM
Didnt the Cavs try to give John Callipari 70-80million over 6 years.

it was 10 years to become coach and team president

JasonJohnHorn
06-11-2014, 06:10 PM
The HEAT should smash the Bad Boys Pistons in a sweep by shooting 60 free throws a game. The 04 Pistons would have their DPOY on the bench once they get lit up by Bosh and Lewis a few times from 3pt land, and then LeBron and Wade would destroy them the same.

*scratches head*

Did you watch those teams play?

Bad Boys 1.0

Dumars defending Wade
Rodman defending James

Thomas tearing apart Chamlbers

And we haven't even gotten to Laimbeer, Mark Aguirre and Vinnie Johnson.
This is a team that beat Bird and the Celtics, Jordan and the Bulls and Magic, Kareem and the lakers IN THE SAME YEAR!!!!! If you honestly think they wouldn't make short work of the Heat, you have a limited concept of the history of the game. That Pistons team beat three of the most successful dynasties in the same season.



As for Ben Wallace... he could step out and defend without a problem, but the Pistons would likely rotate Sheed out there and let Ben handle Wade and LBJ when they came tearing down the lane... and we've SEEN those bad boys tear apart James already.

AddiX
06-11-2014, 07:28 PM
Its not ridiculous at all, the clip are selling for 2 bill, these teams have more than enough to pay for the guys they want.

TheMightyHumph
06-11-2014, 10:11 PM
Kerr just signed for 5 mil per: NEVER COACHED A GAME!

Derek Fisher just signed: 5 years X 25 million. No 'experience', though he's been coaching/mentoring for years now.

Fisher, on a side note, will make nearly HALF of what he made in 20 years as a player in 5 years as a coach. He is getting paid almost double his annual salary of just over 3 million a year.

SVG is getting SEVEN MILLION per year, making him the HIGHEST paid coach in the league and he's never even won a ring. Though he is POBBO as well (though Pop was doing that early in his career in SA and winning rings and wasn't making half that).

Putting this into context:

Pop: 4 rings + 6 final appearances makes 6 million per and has been coaching over 20 years.

Doc is making 7 (as much as SVG) and has been to the finals twice and has a ring.

Thibs, who is considered among the very best coaches in the league, makes > 5 million.

And Spo, who is the ONLY active coach to lead a team to 4 straight finals appearances, only makes 3 million (less than half of SVG). He's got 2 rings and 4 finals appearances in six years and is averaging over 50 wins a season on his career! Which is pretty good considering he took over a lottery team his first year and his second year was playing on a roster where all the contract were cleared out to make room to sigh LBJ and Bosh.

These coaches salaries are out of WACK! I think Fisher is a good investment, don't get me wrong. If there was one player in the league over the last 20 years I thought would make a great coach, it's Fisher. But... WOW! How did the market price for a coach shoot up so far?

NBPA needs to add coaches into the Salary Cap. New CBA coming up.

NYKNYGNYY
06-11-2014, 10:20 PM
I don't mind it it dosnt go against the salary cap and it's a very stressful job... U can grt fired in a year no problem ...even if you do agood job you can get fired if your team dosnt perform well

zookman65
12-29-2014, 02:06 AM
Whatever the Owner thinks is appropriate is fine by me. No more exorbitant than the board of directors of Exxon thinking their CEO should make 30 to 40 million per year. It is a multi-billion dollar per year business so the owners are not going broke paying the coaches or players for that matter.

Chavacano
12-29-2014, 05:19 AM
Not as crazy as most players.

tredigs
12-29-2014, 10:11 AM
Pops gives SA a hometown discount. No different than his players.

If Pops went on the open market, what do you think he'd really command? Easily $7-10M+.

And why do we care what coaches get paid? It's still a fraction of the salary of the best players on the team, and it doesn't influence the cap. Heck, it's often less than MLE money and that barely gets you a decent rotation player.

Let's also not forget that not all coaching gigs are the same. The size of the market impacts the money available, as well as the desirability of the gig. Part of why Spoelstra makes less is because if the job was vacant there would be a line going out through the door of quality Head Coaches that would want the job.

Supply and demand. High quality coaches can drive up the salary simply because there's not a lot of them. And high quality rosters can drive down the salary for the job since the best coaches prefer to go to teams that are ready versus jumping into a rebuilding gig.

Anyway, it doesn't affect a team's cap space and it comes out of the pockets of the billionaires, so why should I care?
If there was a draft of player/coaches, he would go in the top 10. I'd take him in the top 5.

Slug3
12-29-2014, 10:35 AM
NBPA needs to add coaches into the Salary Cap. New CBA coming up.

Please tell me why the NBAPA will vote to put coaches salaries as part of the salary cap? That would just take away money from them. Not a single player would vote on it.