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P&GRealist
06-02-2014, 03:26 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2014/matchup/_/teams/mia-sa


In favor of San Antonio:


Morris and Pelton: Spurs in 5 (2 votes)
Abbott and Strauss: Spurs in 6 (2 votes)
Adande, Arnovitz, Elhassan, Shelburne, Stein, Wallace, Windhorst, Young: Spurs in 7 (8 votes)

TOTAL: 12/18 votes (66.7%)




In favor of Miami:


Broussard, Gutierrez, Thorpe: Heat in 6 (3 votes)
Doolittle, Ford, Haberstroh: Heat in 7 (3 votes)

TOTAL: 6/18 votes (33.3%)

Bring The Heat
06-02-2014, 03:28 PM
But The Heat are the most stacked team in NBA History and its so unfair to the rest of the league! Yet the majority of members on this board along with the ESPN analysts are picking the Spurs...

Htownballa1622
06-02-2014, 03:33 PM
17% will be correct.

Bring The Heat
06-02-2014, 03:33 PM
Not making any prediction here but if we were to win this series people would start saying "Oh well they're supposed to win anyway they are the most stacked team EVER" .. mind you the majority is picking in favor of the Spurs... So how does that make any sense? I remember when we beat OKC even after OKC beating favored by the majority and the haters saying "Oh that wasn't impressive anyway b/c the thunder were young and inexperienced"

Htownballa1622
06-02-2014, 03:35 PM
Not making any prediction here but if we were to win this series people would start saying "Oh well they're supposed to win anyway they are the most stacked team EVER" .. mind you the majority is picking in favor of the Spurs... So how does that make any sense? I remember when we beat OKC even after OKC beating favored by the majority and the haters saying "Oh that wasn't impressive anyway b/c the thunder were young and inexperienced"

And it was a lockout year yet the champs still needed 16 playoff wins. ;)

bucketss
06-02-2014, 03:38 PM
so heat have been underdogs for half of their finals appearances in the big three era #MostStackedTeamInNbaHistory

Max.This
06-02-2014, 03:40 PM
But The Heat are the most stacked team in NBA History and its so unfair to the rest of the league! Yet the majority of members on this board along with the ESPN analysts are picking the Spurs...

The last 3 years since the form of the big three no team in the league has been able to sniff the level of talent that is on the HEAT until this year except... each and every one of those teams are on the western conference. Its like you want each of us to blow the heat org, but take off the bandwagon goggles and look at the pile of crap they got through to get to the finals.

kdspurman
06-02-2014, 03:42 PM
These don't mean much to me. It's really no more than the rest of us giving our picks.

Slade123
06-02-2014, 03:50 PM
And it was a lockout year yet the champs still needed 16 playoff wins. ;)

What the hell does the regular season have anything to do with the post season? The post season wasn't shortened.

Bring The Heat
06-02-2014, 03:54 PM
so heat have been underdogs for half of their finals appearances in the big three era #MostStackedTeamInNbaHistory

LOL for real..

ManRam
06-02-2014, 04:00 PM
It's a toss up. Predictions are just that: predictions. Doesn't mean much. I do respect a lot of those people, however. They're the smart guys for the most part at ESPN...not the clown shock jocks. But still, this stuff is far from scientific.

Just for fun.

2012 (http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2012/matchup/_/teams/thunder-heat)
2011 (http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2011/matchup/_/teams/mavericks-heat)

Can't find 2013. You click the link here (http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2013/matchup/_/teams/spurs-grizzlies) and it doesn't work.

ewing
06-02-2014, 04:10 PM
I think the Heat should be favored in this one but i honestly have no idea what will happen and am rooting hard for the Spurs. LeBron was a willing an accurate jump shooter against the pacers and wade was playing a very high level, add in Tony breaking down again and i think the heat are favorites. If things those count for anything i don't know how the Spurs win but I also didn't think they could win without Tony the other night and definitively could win once the Thunder forced OT. War Spurs

Htownballa1622
06-02-2014, 04:15 PM
What the hell does the regular season have anything to do with the post season? The post season wasn't shortened.

Clearly you're not understanding my point.

That's what ppl were saying and it was dumb.

My point exactly.

P&GRealist
06-02-2014, 04:17 PM
It's a toss up. Predictions are just that: predictions. Doesn't mean much. I do respect a lot of those people, however. They're the smart guys for the most part at ESPN...not the clown shock jocks. But still, this stuff is far from scientific.

Just for fun.

2012 (http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2012/matchup/_/teams/thunder-heat)
2011 (http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2011/matchup/_/teams/mavericks-heat)

Can't find 2013. You click the link here (http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2013/matchup/_/teams/spurs-grizzlies) and it doesn't work.

I think they purposely hid 2013 so that the 'experts' that were wrong from last yr weren't under scrutiny heading into this yr.

ManRam
06-02-2014, 04:35 PM
I think they purposely hid 2013 so that the 'experts' that were wrong from last yr weren't under scrutiny heading into this yr.

Pundittracker.com to save the day. And, this blog (http://mathyear2013.blogspot.com/2013/06/2013-nba-playoffs-predictions.html)

Abbot: Heat
Adande: Heat
Arnovitz: Heat
Broussard: Heat
Doolittle: Heat
Elhassan: Spurs
Ford: Heat
Gutierrez: Heat
Haberstroh: Heat
Morris: N/A
Pelton: Heat
Shelburne: Spurs
Stein: Spurs
Strauss: N/A
Thorpe: Heat
Wallace: Heat
Windhorst: Heat
Young: N/A

So. Nah. Your conspiracy probably ain't true. I'm sure Shelburne and Elhassan are reasonable enough people to not give a **** if they got one prediction wrong.

Goose17
06-02-2014, 05:22 PM
Miami fans have a point. If people are picking Spurs now, you can't then come back if the Spurs lose and say Miami were expected to win or whatever.

Either they're the underdog or they're not.

jerellh528
06-02-2014, 05:33 PM
Sounds like Miami fans are expecting to lose as well, a year or two ago and Miami fans woulda been like "screw the experts, Miami in 4!!" Now they're like, "well we aren't so stacked really, huh guys?"
Just because you're stacked doesn't mean you can't lose. They're stacked but I'm sure they're tired and not as hungry, perhaps thinking about the free agency period coming up.

Vinylman
06-02-2014, 05:45 PM
experts :rolleyes:

Vegas has Miami as the favorites...

/thread

JasonJohnHorn
06-02-2014, 05:55 PM
I think a good analyst can call a series, in many instances. There may be factors they can't predicts (injuries, off-court distractions, suspensions), but if you take a look at two teams, you can call mos series.

For teams like Miami and SAS, I don't think you can. These are two evenly matched teams. They went to 7 games last year, it could have went either way... the rosters are pretty much the same... what would make things so drastically different?

I would say that I would be EXTREMELY surprised if the Heat won this series in 4 or 5 games, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Spurs did.

I expect 6 or 7 games, but there is know way to tell, because we teams as good as these guys, some games is a matter of where a ball bounces at the end of the 4th quarter.


People who are like "Spurs in 6" are just guessing There is no way to tell how many games it would take unless it is only games because one team is THAT much better than the other team.

Predicting how many games two evenly matched teams will take to win a series? That is guessing, not analyzing.

smith&wesson
06-02-2014, 06:01 PM
is anyone in ESPN allowed to call themselves an expert ? thats like me playing with lego and calling myself an architect lol

ManRam
06-02-2014, 06:02 PM
Vegas has Miami as the favorites...

/thread

That's false :laugh:

They're consensus favorites.

Bovada has the Spurs at -125
Sportsbook has them at -120


Spurs are about 3.5-4 point favorites in Game 1 too.

cmellofan15
06-02-2014, 06:53 PM
Sounds like Miami fans are expecting to lose as well, a year or two ago and Miami fans woulda been like "screw the experts, Miami in 4!!" Now they're like, "well we aren't so stacked really, huh guys?"
Just because you're stacked doesn't mean you can't lose. They're stacked but I'm sure they're tired and not as hungry, perhaps thinking about the free agency period coming up.

while it's an amusing thought, I don't think that's quite what they're getting at.

I think the point is that people claim Miami to be such a stacked team yet they have been consistently picked as the losers in the finals. I think it's just pointing out how some people tend to contradict themselves...

Bring The Heat
06-02-2014, 06:58 PM
while it's an amusing thought, I don't think that's quite what they're getting at.

I think the point is that people claim Miami to be such a stacked team yet they have been consistently picked as the losers in the finals. I think it's just pointing out how some people tend to contradict themselves...

Exactly.

ewing
06-02-2014, 07:03 PM
I don't understand how not having Mike Miller seems to weight heavier to some then the fact that Wade is actually playing great ball this time

kingkenny01
06-02-2014, 07:17 PM
this expert says spurs, my reasoning trust me i'm reliable and on espn(the first take approach)

DeyAce
06-02-2014, 07:31 PM
Heat in 6

Shlumpledink
06-02-2014, 07:36 PM
The spurs have great role players, and play in a system that everyone in it fully understands. The top three can run plays in the system naturally, without having to call plays. A real exception to the rest of the league. The spurs came very close to beating Miami last year.

Yet, I have a tough time going against Miami. I think their role players are better, or playing better this year as opposed to last. With days off between games, that makes Dwyane Wade more effective. I don't think they have enough to really keep Miami down. Miami is a terrifying team, but I think they could have been beat by a couple of the western conference teams.

The only variables are the health of Tony Parker, Dwyane Wade, and the officiating. It is really hard to referee the heat and the spurs, and the flow can really dictate how Miami runs its offense/defense. If the refs cut the head off the snake, they really will die.

beasted86
06-02-2014, 08:21 PM
Why do fans care whether people think Miami is the most stacked team in NBA history?

Doesn't bother me at all. What bothers me is instead pretending that another team "only lost because they were tired, but they were actually the better team".

If people think the HEAT are stacked, that's awesome to me. Say we won because we are stacked, but don't claim other teams are better and make lame excuses when they lose.

ewing
06-02-2014, 08:23 PM
Why do fans care whether people think Miami is the most stacked team in NBA history?

Doesn't bother me at all. What bothers me is instead pretending that another team "only lost because they were tired, but they were actually the better team".

If people think the HEAT are stacked, that's awesome to me. Say we won because we are stacked, but don't claim other teams are better and make lame excuses when they lose.


I didn't follow this post at all

beasted86
06-02-2014, 08:27 PM
HEAT are the better offensive team of the two, and Miami will wreak all types of havoc with their pick and roll defense.

Miami in 6.

beasted86
06-02-2014, 08:29 PM
I didn't follow this post at all
#EasternConferenceIsACakewalk
#WestChampionOnlyMightLoseFinalsFromFatigue

Better?

SPURSFAN1
06-02-2014, 08:33 PM
#EasternConferenceIsACakewalk
#WestChampionOnlyMightLoseFinalsFromFatigue

Better?

Lebron sounds shook from his comments. Tim Duncan got him shock.

kdspurman
06-02-2014, 08:49 PM
HEAT are the better offensive team of the two, and Miami will wreak all types of havoc with their pick and roll defense.

Miami in 6.

Spurs have been the better defensive team of the 2 all year and during these playoffs. (though they are obviously much more balanced than say a team like Indiana) We'll see which prevails. Should be fun

kdspurman
06-02-2014, 08:52 PM
Lebron sounds shook from his comments. Tim Duncan got him shock.

Shook is the wrong word. Lebron is just way too sensitive, and it seems he does what he has to do to self motivate himself. Duncan said right after the game, we'll do it this time (or something to that effect) and said they wanted Miami cause they still had a bad taste in their mouth. Lebron went on to say the Spurs don't like them based off of those comments. Duncan did clarify later and say they'll try or they're hopeful they can get it done.

I mean as an athlete, who wouldn't want an opportunity at redemption? Spurs never give bulletin board material, but some guys need/enjoy it, so they'll grasp at whatever to give that extra motivation.

SPURSFAN1
06-02-2014, 08:57 PM
Shook is the wrong word. Lebron is just way too sensitive, and it seems he does what he has to do to self motivate himself. Duncan said right after the game, we'll do it this time (or something to that effect) and said they wanted Miami cause they still had a bad taste in their mouth. Lebron went on to say the Spurs don't like them based off of those comments. Duncan did clarify later and say they'll try or they're hopeful they can get it done.

I mean as an athlete, who wouldn't want an opportunity at redemption? Spurs never give bulletin board material, but some guys need/enjoy it, so they'll grasp at whatever to give that extra motivation.

He sounded shook man.

beasted86
06-02-2014, 09:06 PM
Lebron sounds shook from his comments. Tim Duncan got him shock.
Scared to death, you scared to look, you shook. Cause ain't no such thing as half way crooks!

Bring The Heat
06-02-2014, 09:26 PM
Lol come on LeBron shook? Dude has been playing in the NBA for a decade... going to play in his 4th straight finals... This aint the first time he's played against these guys.. Scared? far from it

SPURSFAN1
06-02-2014, 09:28 PM
Lol come on LeBron shook? Dude has been playing in the NBA for a decade... going to play in his 4th straight finals... This aint the first time he's played against these guys.. Scared? far from it

Sounded shook to me.

Cal827
06-02-2014, 09:30 PM
#RiggedifSpursgetRevenge
#RiggedifHeatWinAgain

#WeNeedMoreTittaysinthisForum

JLynn943
06-02-2014, 09:41 PM
8.3% will be correct.

So 1/12 of the 18 will be correct? What?

therealwd27
06-02-2014, 10:09 PM
Just hoping for some good basketball. Three peat would be awesome. Hoping Miami comes out committed to team defense

FlashBolt
06-02-2014, 10:09 PM
I'm going to keep this bookmarked so if Miami wins and someone says "Stacked team", I'll be sure to redirect them to their contradiction.

amos1er
06-02-2014, 10:36 PM
But The Heat are the most stacked team in NBA History and its so unfair to the rest of the league! Yet the majority of members on this board along with the ESPN analysts are picking the Spurs...

It's mostly based off how well San Antonio functions as a TEAM while being coached by one of the best in the history of the game. The Heat are just a collection of superstars playing in a system that is designed to make Lebron look good on a stat sheet. If the Heat played as a team and to each of their strengths and not just Lebron's, they would likely be the favorites. That and I'm sure HCA is factored in as well as the chip on the shoulders of the San Antonio Spurs after what happened in game six last season in the finals.

FlashBolt
06-02-2014, 10:45 PM
It's mostly based off how well San Antonio functions as a TEAM while being coached by one of the best in the history of the game. The Heat are just a collection of superstars playing in a system that is designed to make Lebron look good on a stat sheet. If the Heat played as a team and to each of their strengths and not just Lebron's, they would likely be the favorites. That and I'm sure HCA is factored in as well as the chip on the shoulders of the San Antonio Spurs after what happened in game six last season in the finals.

So if Miami wins, will you finally give LeBron credit? Or it doesn't count?

jerellh528
06-02-2014, 10:47 PM
So if Miami wins, will you finally give LeBron credit? Or it doesn't count?

What's it to you anyways? What's with the Lebron patrol trying to make sure everyone is equally in love with him as they are.

P&GRealist
06-02-2014, 10:49 PM
#RiggedifSpursgetRevenge
#RiggedifHeatWinAgain

#WeNeedMoreTittaysinthisForum


:love:

SPURSFAN1
06-02-2014, 10:50 PM
What's it to you anyways? What's with the Lebron patrol trying to make sure everyone is equally in love with him as they are.

Chill bro. You might go to internet jail for that.

P&GRealist
06-02-2014, 10:51 PM
I'm going to keep this bookmarked so if Miami wins and someone says "Stacked team", I'll be sure to redirect them to their contradiction.

What if I said stacked tittays, then what would you say? :confused:

P&GRealist
06-02-2014, 10:52 PM
Chill bro. You might go to internet jail for that.

This internet jail that you speak of...will I find any tittays?

SPURSFAN1
06-02-2014, 10:56 PM
This internet jail that you speak of...will I find any tittays?

Yeah lots.......





lots of man boobs.

P&GRealist
06-02-2014, 10:59 PM
Yeah lots.......





lots of man boobs.

Kendrick Perkins and Big Baby are running the asylum, aren't they?

SPURSFAN1
06-02-2014, 11:03 PM
Kendrick Perkins and Big Baby are running the asylum, aren't they?

hahahaha

Htownballa1622
06-03-2014, 12:18 AM
So 1/12 of the 18 will be correct? What?

whoops. I did 3/36 instead of 3/18. My bad.

17%

JLynn943
06-03-2014, 12:19 AM
whoops. I did 3/36 instead of 3/18. My bad.

17%

No problem, was just trying to figure out which prediction you thought was right lol

ThuglifeJ
06-03-2014, 12:23 AM
But The Heat are the most stacked team in NBA History and its so unfair to the rest of the league! Yet the majority of members on this board along with the ESPN analysts are picking the Spurs...

1. But they are..? They just happen to not play as well as a whole as the Spurs beautifully do.

2. Its ESPN.

3. Not spurs fault heat couldn't get HCA

4. You heat fans sure are insecure..

Htownballa1622
06-03-2014, 12:26 AM
No problem, was just trying to figure out which prediction you thought was right lol

lol. Thanks.

Miami in 6 or 7.

I feel 6.

torocan
06-03-2014, 08:35 AM
But The Heat are the most stacked team in NBA History and its so unfair to the rest of the league! Yet the majority of members on this board along with the ESPN analysts are picking the Spurs...

Is it so hard to understand how the Heat can be more stacked yet the Spurs can be favorites?

1. Home court advantage.
2. More motivated (redemption)
3. Better coached (Pops)

Let's flip the discussion, let's say you had them at even odds...

Give Miami HCA. Does it change things?
Pretend Miami lost last year and was playing a rematch against the Spurs. Does it change things?
Now exchange Spoelstra for Pops. Would Pops coaching the Heat change things?

Winning a series is about more than who's on the roster. Having the best players is by far the biggest factor. However, HCA, Coaching and motivation can all make a difference.

That doesn't mean that Miami isn't loaded, just that if the Spurs have an advantage it isn't because they are filled with superstar caliber talent.

38 year old Duncan. 36 year old Manu. 32 year old Parker.
29 year old Lebron. 32 year old Wade. 30 year old Bosh.

Which team has more players in their prime and which one has players closer to retirement? The San Antonio big 3 is nowhere near as strong as Miami's big 3. Heck, if you were to rank those 6 players in the NBA all time where would you put them? If the Spurs end up winning, it won't be because of a roster stacked with ringers (superstar talent in their prime).

It will be because of role players like Leonard, Green, Diaw, and Belinelli.
It will be because they have arguably the best Head Coach of this generation (if not all time).
It will be because they have the home crowd in game 7 on their side.
And it will be because it's a lot harder to have the same sort of drive coming off a championship win than coming off a loss.

Just like in fighting, your opponent can be bigger, faster, stronger and more athletic... but if you have better technique, you can even up the odds or even gain the advantage. The Spurs fundamentally sound style of play is the equivalent of having superior stance, crisper technique, and better footwork.

I just thank the heavens that Pops isn't coaching the Heat. If Pops had that roster they'd be winning championships for the next 10 years....

BALLER R
06-03-2014, 09:39 AM
That's false :laugh:

They're consensus favorites.

Bovada has the Spurs at -125
Sportsbook has them at -120


Spurs are about 3.5-4 point favorites in Game 1 too.

Spurs are at home in game 1. obviously they will be a favourite. By the way doesn't miami usually lose game one anyways then win game 2.

ManRam
06-03-2014, 09:48 AM
Spurs are at home in game 1. obviously they will be a favourite. By the way doesn't miami usually lose game one anyways then win game 2.

Yeah. They lost Game 1 vs. the Pacers this year. Last year they lost Game 1 vs. the Bulls and Game 1 vs. the Spurs, both at home. They lost Game 1 of the Finals in 2012 as well, on the road.

Not sure if it's a trend or just coincidence. We'll see!

JEDean89
06-03-2014, 12:52 PM
why do heat fans think that the heat are the most stacked team in history? they are far, far from it. they are simply the most stacked team in regards to their conference that we have seen in a long time. they are stacked to the point that getting to the Finals is not a major accomplishment, winning the finals is however a major accomplishment.

Slug3
06-03-2014, 01:26 PM
why do heat fans think that the heat are the most stacked team in history? they are far, far from it. they are simply the most stacked team in regards to their conference that we have seen in a long time. they are stacked to the point that getting to the Finals is not a major accomplishment, winning the finals is however a major accomplishment.

They are joking because of a few people who come in here and state they are the most stacked team.

Slug3
06-03-2014, 01:27 PM
Only one I'm shocked about is the spurs in 5.

Tony_Starks
06-03-2014, 01:38 PM
I hope the Heat win again. They are the epitome of unselfishness and embody what it means to be good teammates...

kdspurman
06-03-2014, 01:44 PM
I hope the Heat win again. They are the epitome of unselfishness and embody what it means to be good teammates...

Same can be said for their opponent too.

Slug3
06-03-2014, 01:52 PM
Same can be said for their opponent too.

Get out of here with knowledge.

Bring The Heat
06-03-2014, 02:01 PM
I wish I had time to come in here and go back and fourth but I don't... with that being said my statement is just pointing out how these haters just continue to contradict themselves time after time.

ManRam
06-03-2014, 02:01 PM
why do heat fans think that the heat are the most stacked team in history? they are far, far from it. they are simply the most stacked team in regards to their conference that we have seen in a long time. they are stacked to the point that getting to the Finals is not a major accomplishment, winning the finals is however a major accomplishment.

They're mocking the LeBron detractors who talk about how unfair it is that he plays on such a stacked team.

Bring The Heat
06-03-2014, 02:02 PM
They are joking because of a few people who come in here and state they are the most stacked team.

Exactly he obviously didn't catch what I was trying to say.

Big Zo
06-03-2014, 02:07 PM
Same can be said for their opponent too.

Didn't Tony Parker bang Brent Barry's wife? That's not being a very good teammate. :(

amos1er
06-03-2014, 02:23 PM
What's it to you anyways? What's with the Lebron patrol trying to make sure everyone is equally in love with him as they are.

:laugh:

kdspurman
06-03-2014, 02:32 PM
Didn't Tony Parker bang Brent Barry's wife? That's not being a very good teammate. :(

I don't think that's ever been proven. Nonetheless, you can find things to nitpick on, just as you could with Miami, especially these last few years. But both teams play with a sense of selflessness on the court. That was the point I was making

Tony_Starks
06-03-2014, 03:01 PM
I sure do miss the good ol days when it was cool to not like certain teams. I didn't like the Kings, Spurs, Celtics......any legit rival. And vice versa, but at the end of the day there was mutual respect amongst fan bases.

Now we have this new thing where it has to be a huge love fest or run the risk of being a "hater."

Bring The Heat
06-03-2014, 04:21 PM
I sure do miss the good ol days when it was cool to not like certain teams. I didn't like the Kings, Spurs, Celtics......any legit rival. And vice versa, but at the end of the day there was mutual respect amongst fan bases.

Now we have this new thing where it has to be a huge love fest or run the risk of being a "hater."

I for one could care less if you or anyone doesn't like the heat that's fine and gravy...I don't like the lakers but I acknowlege their past accomplishments and give respect when it's due. It's the ridiculous crap that is said (example of some people amos or illusionist) about the heat and when no credit is given under any circumstance is when the title "hater" is warranted.. where statements are just made that have no thought whatsoever and are just blinded by pure hate.

I've heard people clearly say I don't like the heat but at least give a respectable unbiased opinion.

NBA_Starter
06-03-2014, 08:50 PM
I could see it going either way and I really want to be able to pick the Spurs because of revenge but the Heat may just be destined for this.

FriedTofuz
06-03-2014, 11:35 PM
The heat STRUGGLED with SA last year. ANd the spurs have come back even stronger than last year, stronger than what they've been in years. It's going to take more than a once in a lifetime shot by Allen to save Lebron's *** again