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raiderfaninTX
05-31-2014, 11:40 PM
I made this thread to give it up for westbrook, his heart, and leadership has been pretty eye opening for me this series. I am not going to lie I was a huge critic of him going into this season,

Yeah it's true you live by the sword you die by the sword with him but he's great. The guy deserves his own team so he can step out of the shadow of KD.

Hopefully KD can get some of that passion he carries every game.

ManRam
05-31-2014, 11:43 PM
Russell had a slightly better playoffs than KD this year IMO.

The bigger problem is that they just have so little offensive help outside of those two. Ibaka can hit some jumpers, Reggie is streaky...and that's about it.

JC_
05-31-2014, 11:58 PM
A bit disappointed with OKC but props to Westbrook for the effort. I agree that he had a better playoffs than KD.

*Superman*
05-31-2014, 11:58 PM
Russell had a slightly better playoffs than KD this year IMO.

The bigger problem is that they just have so little offensive help outside of those two. Ibaka can hit some jumpers, Reggie is streaky...and that's about it.

They should go after AA IMO. Good defender, he can be the Kawhi Leonard for the Thunder. He'd fit great with Westbrook and Durant as a 3rd option.

JEDean89
06-01-2014, 12:02 AM
^^^ he definitely would, but i'm thinking it's gonna take steven adams becoming a force to put them over the top. the thunder's time is coming, once it does it's gonna be scary for the league.

flea
06-01-2014, 12:03 AM
Only 8 field goals made but he scored 34 points. Yeah I guess there is something amazing about that.

jerellh528
06-01-2014, 12:05 AM
This troll doesn't care. It's just another thread made by him to slight kd.

ManRam
06-01-2014, 12:06 AM
Only 8 field goals made but he scored 34 points. Yeah I guess there is something amazing about that.

Haven't seen a guy attack the rim with that much aggression in a long time. :shrug:

koreancabbage
06-01-2014, 12:08 AM
Russell had a slightly better playoffs than KD this year IMO.

The bigger problem is that they just have so little offensive help outside of those two. Ibaka can hit some jumpers, Reggie is streaky...and that's about it.

problem with that is that they go away from all their role players. Durant and Westbrook play ISO ball when the time gets tough.

SA and Heat all get their role players involved throughout the game. thats why it seems that they always end up winning the greater depth argument (OKC has the bench pieces but they don't play the same way in these playoffs and just forget their role players - Sefolosha, Lamb are all good bench players but no shows for the most part)

flea
06-01-2014, 12:09 AM
Jumping through the lane and kicking defenders doesn't impress me. Neither does it impress me when the refs are complicit in pretending that this is somehow a "basketball play." Westbrook basically shot them out of this game, IMO. Even with the gifted chances at the line when he made completely out of control shots, he still has 7 turnovers, 5 fouls, and shot the ball 23 times.

SteBO
06-01-2014, 12:19 AM
What OKC needs a much better bench and more versatile players at their starting 2 and 5 spots....ManRam nailed it, outside of Reggie Jackson and Ibaka there's nobody else than can space the floor for Westy & KD to operate.

Scott Brooks is another discussion.

*Superman*
06-01-2014, 12:20 AM
They also need to add a 3 point specialist. I'd target Korver if Atlanta is looking to rebuild.

Fisher was their only threat and he's probably done now.

ManRam
06-01-2014, 12:21 AM
problem with that is that they go away from all their role players. Durant and Westbrook play ISO ball when the time gets tough.

SA and Heat all get their role players involved throughout the game. thats why it seems that they always end up winning the greater depth argument (OKC has the bench pieces but they don't play the same way in these playoffs and just forget their role players - Sefolosha, Lamb are all good bench players but no shows for the most part)

Maybe they iso so much because they don't trust anyone else :shrug: Maybe they do it out of necessity :shrug:

I don't deny they do it too much, but the fact remains that they have very little tangible offensive help or depth on that roster. And they're NEVER going to play the same type of offense SAS does, so comparing them is just silly. They have vastly different rosters...as different as it could get.

mngopher35
06-01-2014, 12:29 AM
Touche, I made a comment about him in the other thread without seeing this one. Westy was a beast thos post season. Needs to improve his decision making but I agree with others that he was most important player for OKC in the playoffs.

FlashBolt
06-01-2014, 12:35 AM
We have to trade WB and even though he's a top 10 player, we just can't get it done with him and KD playing side by side. We need Love or Kyrie, IMO. Kyrie is a much better offensive player and though that defense is horrid, he makes up for it by being a bigger threat and he's a smarter player. Westbrook is better than Kyrie but we could also use Varejao and amnesty Perkins for a defensive player like Bradley or maybe Deng... IMO, though, we need to give KD some heat. When is he ever going to open his mouth and get Westbrook to stop taking stupid shots. It's almost as if he's scared.. He's not a leader and won't win unless he opens his mouth.

bucketss
06-01-2014, 12:49 AM
russel goatBrook has also gained my respect this playoffs.

mngopher35
06-01-2014, 01:16 AM
We have to trade WB and even though he's a top 10 player, we just can't get it done with him and KD playing side by side. We need Love or Kyrie, IMO. Kyrie is a much better offensive player and though that defense is horrid, he makes up for it by being a bigger threat and he's a smarter player. Westbrook is better than Kyrie but we could also use Varejao and amnesty Perkins for a defensive player like Bradley or maybe Deng... IMO, though, we need to give KD some heat. When is he ever going to open his mouth and get Westbrook to stop taking stupid shots. It's almost as if he's scared.. He's not a leader and won't win unless he opens his mouth.

Westbrook should not be traded, it was because of him they made it this far and the game was close. When he went to the bench in foul trouble Spurs went on their run. KD had a turnover late and missed the tying 3 while Westy hit the FT's to get it to OT. Sure he had some bad decisions but he was the best player on the court for them tonight and many games this post season.

I am all for a Rubio/Pek for Westy trade if necessary haha. He won't be traded though because he is such a good player and the motor for OKC.

king4day
06-01-2014, 01:21 AM
Could be on the brink of superstardom. Great season for he and the Thunder.

shep33
06-01-2014, 01:24 AM
Best guard in the NBA right now

shep33
06-01-2014, 01:30 AM
Westbrook should not be traded, it was because of him they made it this far and the game was close. When he went to the bench in foul trouble Spurs went on their run. KD had a turnover late and missed the tying 3 while Westy hit the FT's to get it to OT. Sure he had some bad decisions but he was the best player on the court for them tonight and many games this post season.

I am all for a Rubio/Pek for Westy trade if necessary haha. He won't be traded though because he is such a good player and the motor for OKC.


Yeah, totally agree. He shouldn't be dealt, he's a top 10 player and perhaps the best guard in the NBA right now.

They need a bench and someone else who can score. Time for them to get rid of Perk and try to get that 3rd offensive threat that they desperately need.

mngopher35
06-01-2014, 01:38 AM
Yeah, totally agree. He shouldn't be dealt, he's a top 10 player and perhaps the best guard in the NBA right now.

They need a bench and someone else who can score. Time for them to get rid of Perk and try to get that 3rd offensive threat that they desperately need.

Add a new coach and I agree. I think adams will continue to develop and hopefully lamb does as well. If they could somehow get a player like Afflalo or Deng etc I think they would be set. I haven't spent the time looking for who would be available so that's just an idea. Basically someone who can do something offensively (hit a jumper and/or make an occassional play) but also plays solid d. Just need another solid scoring option in the starting lineup allowing Jackson to be the spark off the bench.

RubberBand Man
06-01-2014, 02:01 AM
They could've won him and KD tried to go 1 on 5 every time they got the ball you will never beat the Spurs that way, they also need a new coach as well the lack of offensive plays falls on him.

torocan
06-01-2014, 08:48 AM
Westbrook still makes boneheaded plays, but I have to give the guy credit -- the guy has cajones the size of cannonballs and is absolutely fearless. Insanely talented for sure. OKC can only hope that he continues to mature as a player.

Westbrook took a ton of shots but what choice did he really have? When OKC's bench gets out-scored 51-5... I still can't believe that's a real number... who's going to score outside of WB, Durant, Jackson and Ibaka? Apparently the answer is Derek Fisher. :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

I do feel bad for OKC. Their starters got absolutely NO help this series.

Fact. In game 6 the entire OKC bench was outscored by 7 different Spurs players.

I don't care if your name is Durant, Lebron, or Wilt... you aren't going anywhere if that's all the help you get...

Jarvo
06-01-2014, 09:07 AM
We have to trade WB and even though he's a top 10 player, we just can't get it done with him and KD playing side by side. We need Love or Kyrie, IMO. Kyrie is a much better offensive player and though that defense is horrid, he makes up for it by being a bigger threat and he's a smarter player. Westbrook is better than Kyrie but we could also use Varejao and amnesty Perkins for a defensive player like Bradley or maybe Deng... IMO, though, we need to give KD some heat. When is he ever going to open his mouth and get Westbrook to stop taking stupid shots. It's almost as if he's scared.. He's not a leader and won't win unless he opens his mouth.


You guys need Westbrook, I dislike his attitude and everything but he isn't the problem. Get a better bench, Coach and try to get Perkins out of there.

slashsnake
06-01-2014, 09:28 AM
Could be on the brink of superstardom. Great season for he and the Thunder.

Agreed... I said he was fringe yesterday as a superstar, but I think I'm leaning to him in more than out. Great all around playoff performance.

JJ_JKidd
06-01-2014, 09:44 AM
You either force a trade or see yourself not winning a Chip. Unlike Bron, KD is not a hero. Lol

Sly Guy
06-01-2014, 10:31 AM
as it's been said earlier, too much iso ball in okc sets. I see this as a coaching/depth problem than a problem with westbrook or durant.

sammyvine
06-01-2014, 10:33 AM
You guys need Westbrook, I dislike his attitude and everything but he isn't the problem. Get a better bench, Coach and try to get Perkins out of there.
whats wrong with his attitude>

i don't really like his style of play but he gives 100% in every game. Thats fantastic. Can't see anything wrong with his attitude

Badluck33
06-01-2014, 11:17 AM
Westbrook needs to be traded for a front court player who can rebound and shoot.

Then find a facilitator to play the point.

That fixes a lot of problems for OKC.

diu9leilomo
06-01-2014, 11:49 AM
i wanna see westbrook as 1st option, the guy have potential to avg 40 a night

flea
06-01-2014, 11:53 AM
i wanna see westbrook as 1st option, the guy have potential to avg 40 a night

Maybe if he takes 40-50 shots.

MonroeFAN
06-01-2014, 12:26 PM
we heard it the first time dude

Pfeifer
06-01-2014, 12:32 PM
Maybe if he takes 40-50 shots.

I agree. IMO he's not getting those lanes to drive if KD isn't around. I think he is a selfish player and does not know how to facilitate. Great talent but very selfish. I don't see them winning anything together.

KnicksorBust
06-01-2014, 01:17 PM
The answer is not some MLE free agent who chips in 10ppg off the bench. The team dynamic is fundamentally flawed.

koreancabbage
06-01-2014, 02:03 PM
The answer is not some MLE free agent who chips in 10ppg off the bench. The team dynamic is fundamentally flawed.

I think you bring in a starting PG to facilitate the offense and move Westbrook to SG. and leave Jackson off the bench

KnicksorBust
06-01-2014, 02:15 PM
The answer is not some MLE free agent who chips in 10ppg off the bench. The team dynamic is fundamentally flawed.

I think you bring in a starting PG to facilitate the offense and move Westbrook to SG. and leave Jackson off the bench

Who? With what money? And how does that fix the terrible take turns iso ball that Westbrook and Durant play at the end of games?