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GoCrew5
05-22-2014, 12:32 AM
Cuban commented on NBA commissioner Adam Silver’s recent lifetime ban of Sterling along with the league's urging that owners force Sterling to sell the franchise with a three-quarters majority vote.

“There is a lot at stake as a whole for the NBA as a business,” Cuban said, saying that he thought it was a necessary move for Silver and the NBA.

“There are no laws against stupid," Cuban added regarding Sterling's racist comments. "I learned a long time ago that you can’t talk stupid out of people. You can’t expect stupid to disappear.”

Cuban further remarked to attendees that we all have to fight our own internal prejudices, with the hope that they do not manifest themselves. It is a constant battle Cuban fights as well, saying ”none of us have complete pure thoughts.”

“I also try not to be a hypocrite. I know I’m prejudiced. I know I’m bigoted in a lot of different ways,” he said. “I’ve said this before. If I see a black kid in a hoodie at night on the same side of the street, I’m probably going to walk to other side of the street. If I see a white guy with a shaved head and lots of tattoos, I’m going back to the other side of the street. If I see anybody that looks threatening, and I try not to, but part of me takes into account race and gender and image. I’m prejudiced. Other than for safety issues, I try to always catch my prejudices and be very self-aware.”

Cuban later recounted a story from the 1960s when his uncle served as a superintendent in the Washington, D.C., area. He recalled sitting down with his uncle and being told that everyone was equal, and it was never acceptable to treat people differently based on their creed, race, gender or ethnicity. At the same time, though, it did not mean that certain negative thoughts won't appear from time to time.

The 55-year-old Cuban said he already knows which way he will vote. While he did not specify one way or another, he alluded to his impending decision.

“The thing that scares me about this whole thing is I don’t want to be a hypocrite,” Cuban said. “And I think I might have to be.”


http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2014-05-21/mark-cuban-donald-sterling-vote-racist-comments-hypocrite-mavericks-owner-worth-dallas-clippers-wife-nba


thoughts?

MrfadeawayJB
05-22-2014, 12:35 AM
Well he said what he thought I can't be mad at him. At least he's honest. Mostly everyone thinks like this but is afraid to admit it

mjt20mik
05-22-2014, 12:37 AM
He's being honest. Its more stereotypical than racist the example he is giving. Person in a hoodie, or person all tatted up etc.

tredigs
05-22-2014, 12:48 AM
Why did the headline not read: If I see a white kid with a shaved head and lots of tattoos, I'm crossing the street?

goingfor28
05-22-2014, 12:52 AM
Why did the headline not read: If I see a white kid with a shaved head and lots of tattoos, I'm crossing the street?

This. Cmon OP this thread title was awful

Avenged
05-22-2014, 12:56 AM
Ridiculous. Put the full quote or don't even bother.

jerellh528
05-22-2014, 01:02 AM
I thought this was going to be a juicy story, man was I disappointed. :pity:

SugeKnight
05-22-2014, 01:08 AM
lol cmon op, dont do us like that

gatkins11
05-22-2014, 01:21 AM
In the words of Cuban himself, #HeadlinePorn

GoCrew5
05-22-2014, 01:25 AM
The full title doesn't fit, so...

SPURSFAN1
05-22-2014, 01:28 AM
Read this earlier. Someone lock this thread.

tredigs
05-22-2014, 01:28 AM
HA. Nice try, GoCrew. Get take your dog-**** sensationalist headlines on back to the political forum where they belong.

SugeKnight
05-22-2014, 01:33 AM
Get your pitchforks!

---E

WadeKobe
05-22-2014, 04:00 AM
The big thing is his admission that he thinks his prejudices are wrong and he tries to overcome them. That's the kind of honesty that makes civilization and people better.

BRICKCITYPIMP12
05-22-2014, 04:42 AM
gocrew is a racist..get him!!
haha

anyway..yea he admits to thinking this way but trys to fight it. unlike sterling and many others.. they think/feel this way BUT dont care..dont try and fight the thoughts...dont think they are doing/saying anything wrong at all and THAT THERE is whereppl **** up.

chi-townlove1
05-22-2014, 08:26 AM
Lol you guys crack me up. Anyways, change the thread title and were good. Cuban is the man. And it takes a man to make the comments that he did. He may be a dick, but he truly is what we should want from every owner in sports.

JasonJohnHorn
05-22-2014, 08:27 AM
When it comes to safety, people always go with the odds. I remember Chris Rock making a comment in one of his routines where is he saw a man of colour dressed in a certain way, he avoids them himself. It is a defense mechanism. Nobody is going to call a woman sexist because she doesn't get into a car with a strange man or move to the other side of the street when she sees a man approaching her at night. Why does a woman take this approach? Because she wants to ensure her safety and avoid being assault. Do all men assault women? No, but enough do.

We are taught at a young age not to talk to 'strangers'.

The fact that Cuban is open and honest about it, and aware of how his mind works and is critical of that demonstrates his sincerity.

Big Zo
05-22-2014, 08:51 AM
http://investmentbackpacker.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/racism-just-in-case.jpg

Pedroia
05-22-2014, 09:31 AM
Why did the headline not read: If I see a white kid with a shaved head and lots of tattoos, I'm crossing the street?

Because it doesn't fit the OP's agenda.

kdspurman
05-22-2014, 09:55 AM
I changed the thread title to something that's a little more accurate in terms of the point of Cuban's quotes. Hopefully it will lead to some good discussion

colinskik
05-22-2014, 10:00 AM
Does anyone actually believe that Cuban ever walks down the street by himself at night? No.

More like, "When my chauffeur is driving me through an unsavory part of town, I make sure that all the doors are locked and windows rolled up in the event that a ruffian attempts to solicit me for funds."

And now Cuban has become Driving Miss Daisy in my mind.

But really, I don't believe Cuban is ever in the type of real life situation he described, making it appear even more bigoted.

JLynn943
05-22-2014, 10:08 AM
:laugh2: Of course it would be GoCrew to put that title


Regardless, Cuban is at least being genuine, and I expect nothing less from him.

nycericanguy
05-22-2014, 10:10 AM
Well he said what he thought I can't be mad at him. At least he's honest. Mostly everyone thinks like this but is afraid to admit it

agreed, this country has become so soft these days with everyone trying to be so politically correct... and i'm not even old but I can still see it.

We all judge, we all stereotype... it's part of life. I'm not a racist, I don't treat people differently...etc... but what Cuban is saying is true and common sense.

AddiX
05-22-2014, 11:18 AM
I don't mind what Cuban said, but saying or doing anything to defend Sterling is moronic and pointless from a business stand point and a moral stand point.

colinskik
05-22-2014, 11:19 AM
agreed, this country has become so soft these days with everyone trying to be so politically correct... and i'm not even old but I can still see it.

We all judge, we all stereotype... it's part of life. I'm not a racist, I don't treat people differently...etc... but what Cuban is saying is true and common sense.

It's like you're a PSA for why stop and frisk should be reinstated.

So any black kid with a hoodie or white guy with tats is automatically dangerous?? Reread what you wrote and think about it.

And regardless if anyone thinks Cuban is right or wrong, he really needs to keep his mouth shut. He's a very public figure and when he attempts to legitimize prejudice it gives all the idiots out there the validation they need.

Since the start of this Sterling fiasco, he's been subtly backing that racist and then recanting his statements. He clearly doesn't think that Sterling should be crucified the way he has been.

Tony_Starks
05-22-2014, 11:24 AM
Sounds like Cuban is a little confused between stereotyping and racism. Pre-judging someone because of their appearance is one thing, it's something else entirely to feel superior to a particular race. To feel that race is beneath you, or that you can treat people like your property.

Sterling is the latter.

ManRam
05-22-2014, 11:29 AM
He's saying what most people probably are uncomfortable to admit. :shrug: We all stereotype, whether we want to or not. Whether we are proud of it or not. Whether it's right or not. I'm sure in GoCrew's distorted worldview of everything he wants there to be outrage over this or something. I'm sure there's some weird motive behind posting this. I, personally, have no problems with it. He's saying that he's like every other person in the world, really. And that he's at least self aware about it.

gatkins11
05-22-2014, 12:48 PM
does anyone actually believe that cuban ever walks down the street by himself at night? No.

more like, "when my chauffeur is driving me through an unsavory part of town, i make sure that all the doors are locked and windows rolled up in the event that a ruffian attempts to solicit me for funds."

and now cuban has become driving miss daisy in my mind.

But really, i don't believe cuban is ever in the type of real life situation he described, making it appear even more bigoted.

lol!

Sandman
05-22-2014, 12:51 PM
I don't mind what Cuban said, but saying or doing anything to defend Sterling is moronic and pointless from a business stand point and a moral stand point.

this, I'm surprised Cuban put himself out there like that.

but he did say he would have to vote against Sterling

cooters22
05-22-2014, 12:55 PM
Read this earlier. Someone lock this thread.

Why lock the thread? That is just as bad as Cuban not being able to have an opinion.

Sandman
05-22-2014, 12:57 PM
Why lock the thread? That is just as bad as Cuban not being able to have an opinion.

the OP cherry picked the hoodie comment for the thread title but somebody fixed it

flea
05-22-2014, 01:00 PM
He's right and if you think you feel differently from him then you're lying to yourself.

chitown85
05-22-2014, 01:20 PM
Cuban is classy and a genuine person. Although his timing to make such comments is probably...up for debate; the truth in his comments is spot on/and can be widely applied to most human beings. We all have different biases...silly and lying if you think "you" don't.

jimm120
05-22-2014, 01:33 PM
Cuban has been against ousting sterling from the beginning.

From the beginning, he's said, "this is a slippery slope".

It's a political thing. He doesn't want to give certain people so much power. That simple. He's against sterling but he's against ousting him because it'd give too much power to the head honchos of the nba that aren't the owners.

pebloemer
05-22-2014, 01:34 PM
Cuban is classy and a genuine person. Although his timing to make such comments is probably...up for debate; the truth in his comments is spot on/and can be widely applied to most human beings. We all have different biases...silly and lying if you think "you" don't.

I think the timing is perfect to be honest.

It is easy for an owner to stand up with the players during such an uproar. But for him to at the same time show humility about his own faults is quite powerful IMO.

cooters22
05-22-2014, 01:37 PM
Cuban has been against ousting sterling from the beginning.

From the beginning, he's said, "this is a slippery slope".

It's a political thing. He doesn't want to give certain people so much power. That simple. He's against sterling but he's against ousting him because it'd give too much power to the head honchos of the nba that aren't the owners.

It is a slippery slope. And what the owner's gotta keep in mind is they might slip up and say something off record and say something stupid. Then one day find themselves getting voted off the island like Sterling.

colinskik
05-22-2014, 01:39 PM
Cuban has been against ousting sterling from the beginning.

From the beginning, he's said, "this is a slippery slope".

It's a political thing. He doesn't want to give certain people so much power. That simple. He's against sterling but he's against ousting him because it'd give too much power to the head honchos of the nba that aren't the owners.

This is the real and only reason he's talking about this at all. He can feel the powers that owners have slipping away and he wants to make sure he speaks out against it, lest he lose power himself. And in the process he's saying some pretty stupid sh-t.

Tony_Starks
05-22-2014, 01:44 PM
At the end of the day Cuban doesn't want to see Sterling banished because he's afaid of the precedent it sets. If they can kick him out for being racist then what skeletons might get pulled out of other owners closets.

He knows Sterling has to go but he keeps throwing these lil subtle jabs out there because he's still trying to protect a member of the Billionaire Boys Club.....

colinskik
05-22-2014, 01:52 PM
He's right and if you think you feel differently from him then you're lying to yourself.


Cuban is classy and a genuine person. Although his timing to make such comments is probably...up for debate; the truth in his comments is spot on/and can be widely applied to most human beings. We all have different biases...silly and lying if you think "you" don't.

These types of comments are really short sighted. To assume that everyone is prejudiced is flat out wrong, first of all, and then to accuse those who don't fall into this reasoning as liars is bordering on inflammatory.

Look at it this way. Cuban has an extremely privileged and sheltered existence as a gazillionaire entrepreneur. He probably thinks everyone who isn't in his or a similar circle of wealthy individuals is a few steps away from criminal.

Or if you want to look at it from another lens, where I live there are black guys in hoodies and white dudes with tats on every block all the time. If I were to cross the street every time I saw one of these said people it would take me 10 minutes to walk three blocks.

Bottom line is, don't assume anything because of what someone looks like. Are we really debating this??

Crackadalic
05-22-2014, 01:52 PM
He's right buts let but honest. No matter how you slice it it's still borderline racism. Racism is actually a specific form of racism

You still judge a person and not by the individual. Almost everyone is like that

The problem with sterling is he things he's the slave master and calls people of color minorities with a sense of superiority over them

chitown85
05-22-2014, 01:56 PM
These types of comments are really short sighted. To assume that everyone is prejudiced is flat out wrong, first of all, and then to accuse those who don't fall into this reasoning as liars is bordering on inflammatory.

Look at it this way. Cuban has an extremely privileged and sheltered existence as a gazillionaire entrepreneur. He probably thinks everyone who isn't in his or a similar circle of wealthy individuals is a few steps away from criminal.

Or if you want to look at it from another lens, where I live there are black guys in hoodies and white dudes with tats on every block all the time. If I were to cross the street every time I saw one of these said people it would take me 10 minutes to walk three blocks.

Bottom line is, don't assume anything because of what someone looks like. Are we really debating this??

Did I say prejudiced?? I said bias. There is a difference. You have no biases in life? REALLY?

EDIT: To say "black guys in hoodies" and "white guys with tats" make you think about crossing the street isn't that kind of bias? I mean that the thought came to your mind that you should even consider crossing the street in the first place or use that as an example. Maybe they just like hoodies. And, what's wrong with tats?

chitown85
05-22-2014, 01:57 PM
Biases go beyond skin color...you are the one who is being short-sighted...

SlimKid
05-22-2014, 02:01 PM
Are we surprised that a middle-aged man is afraid of hoodies, shaved heads & tattoos? I'm not.

People fear everything nowadays, even when it's delusional and irrational. Like fearing hoodies or shaved heads, it's irrational. Fear is at the root of this sort of sentiment, not some genuine insight into what everyone thinks.

Who gives a $h!t anyways, it's Mark Cuban, this is what he does

kubernetes
05-22-2014, 02:12 PM
Not racist. Stereotyping, yes, but also something widely known as "street-smarts." Let's get out of the mode of presuming that stereotyping is inherently bad. It's something everyone does instinctually as a matter of recognizing analogy and patterns.

It's not about the race--gender, age, dress, and mannerisms are what people look for most as threat markers. If I'm on the subway and I see a black man in suit, no big deal. Same with, say, a Latina in hospital scrubs. But if I see a group of young men (whatever the race) with pants hanging low, sideways caps, etc., heck yeah I'm more wary. They might be choirboys, but they might not. In SF I'm very aware of Nortenos and Surenos gang members. If I see a young Latino dressed a specific way, I'm going to stereotype and be wary, and there's no reason to apologize for that.

hugepatsfan
05-22-2014, 02:25 PM
These types of comments are really short sighted. To assume that everyone is prejudiced is flat out wrong, first of all, and then to accuse those who don't fall into this reasoning as liars is bordering on inflammatory.

Look at it this way. Cuban has an extremely privileged and sheltered existence as a gazillionaire entrepreneur. He probably thinks everyone who isn't in his or a similar circle of wealthy individuals is a few steps away from criminal.

Or if you want to look at it from another lens, where I live there are black guys in hoodies and white dudes with tats on every block all the time. If I were to cross the street every time I saw one of these said people it would take me 10 minutes to walk three blocks.

Bottom line is, don't assume anything because of what someone looks like. Are we really debating this??

The comments aren't meant to be taken literal. They're meant to illustrate that we all make certain snap judgements of people based on appearances.

MrfadeawayJB
05-22-2014, 02:30 PM
At the end of the day Cuban doesn't want to see Sterling banished because he's afaid of the precedent it sets. If they can kick him out for being racist then what skeletons might get pulled out of other owners closets.

He knows Sterling has to go but he keeps throwing these lil subtle jabs out there because he's still trying to protect a member of the Billionaire Boys Club.....

If skeletons were pulled out of everyone's closets there would be nobody in the league. Everyone has done or said things they regret

hugepatsfan
05-22-2014, 02:39 PM
I understand the slippery slope argument as far as setting precedent. What if an owner comes out and says he doesn't support gay marriage? What if an owner comes out and says that we should establish a national language and that offends speakers of other languages? What if one comes out and says that he thinks liberals/conservatives are making a mess of the country? What if an owner comes out and says that he thinks families work better with the wife staying at home instead of working? Those are all stances that are sure to offend certain people in our country. Are any of them worthy of being kicked out? Personally, I say no even though I don't agree with all of them. But where do we draw the line as far as what unpopular opinions are ok to have and let be known through freedom of speech and which ones are cause for getting kicked out I don't think it should be up for debate that Sterling's stance that minorities are lesser people is deserving of begin thrown out. In this specific case I think it's an easy decision but it's a matter of where we draw the line. The league isn't going to be able to throw Sterling out for being a racist - they're going to have to cite the loss of sponsorships and threats of players to boycott as the reason. So if any of those opinions I mentioned above cause even one sponsor to drop or upset a single player, then there is a parallel to the Sterling situation. If the owner with those views isn't popular now the other owners might be able to kick him out.

chitown85
05-22-2014, 02:49 PM
I understand the slippery slope argument as far as setting precedent. What if an owner comes out and says he doesn't support gay marriage? What if an owner comes out and says that we should establish a national language and that offends speakers of other languages? What if one comes out and says that he thinks liberals/conservatives are making a mess of the country? What if an owner comes out and says that he thinks families work better with the wife staying at home instead of working? Those are all stances that are sure to offend certain people in our country. Are any of them worthy of being kicked out? Personally, I say no even though I don't agree with all of them. But where do we draw the line as far as what unpopular opinions are ok to have and let be known through freedom of speech and which ones are cause for getting kicked out I don't think it should be up for debate that Sterling's stance that minorities are lesser people is deserving of begin thrown out. In this specific case I think it's an easy decision but it's a matter of where we draw the line. The league isn't going to be able to throw Sterling out for being a racist - they're going to have to cite the loss of sponsorships and threats of players to boycott as the reason. So if any of those opinions I mentioned above cause even one sponsor to drop or upset a single player, then there is a parallel to the Sterling situation. If the owner with those views isn't popular now the other owners might be able to kick him out.

YES. But, seems like few people understand the concept of a "slippery slope." Its much bigger than Donald Sterling's racist asz.

nycericanguy
05-22-2014, 02:53 PM
It's like you're a PSA for why stop and frisk should be reinstated.

So any black kid with a hoodie or white guy with tats is automatically dangerous?? Reread what you wrote and think about it.

And regardless if anyone thinks Cuban is right or wrong, he really needs to keep his mouth shut. He's a very public figure and when he attempts to legitimize prejudice it gives all the idiots out there the validation they need.

Since the start of this Sterling fiasco, he's been subtly backing that racist and then recanting his statements. He clearly doesn't think that Sterling should be crucified the way he has been.

It's called common sense, especially in city life where there are always people you don't know around.

Heck I'm hispanic, but if I'm walking home alone at 2am and I see a group of hispanics on a corner, and a guy on the other side in a suit and tie, which way do you think i'm going to walk? Which way would you want your GF or wife to walk? Again, common sense and street smarts.

Not everything has to be racist or have the race card thrown into it... everyone judges everyone, whether they say it or not, we all make first impressions.

chitown85
05-22-2014, 02:57 PM
It's called common sense, especially in city life where there are always people you don't know around.

I get what you're saying...and I am from the city/currently live in the city so I really do...but "common-sense" is dangerous at times...and often times is irrational---borderline bias/prejudice.

Tony_Starks
05-22-2014, 03:22 PM
I understand the slippery slope argument as far as setting precedent. What if an owner comes out and says he doesn't support gay marriage? What if an owner comes out and says that we should establish a national language and that offends speakers of other languages? What if one comes out and says that he thinks liberals/conservatives are making a mess of the country? What if an owner comes out and says that he thinks families work better with the wife staying at home instead of working? Those are all stances that are sure to offend certain people in our country. Are any of them worthy of being kicked out? Personally, I say no even though I don't agree with all of them. But where do we draw the line as far as what unpopular opinions are ok to have and let be known through freedom of speech and which ones are cause for getting kicked out I don't think it should be up for debate that Sterling's stance that minorities are lesser people is deserving of begin thrown out. In this specific case I think it's an easy decision but it's a matter of where we draw the line. The league isn't going to be able to throw Sterling out for being a racist - they're going to have to cite the loss of sponsorships and threats of players to boycott as the reason. So if any of those opinions I mentioned above cause even one sponsor to drop or upset a single player, then there is a parallel to the Sterling situation. If the owner with those views isn't popular now the other owners might be able to kick him out.

There's a big difference between controversal or unpopular opinions and blatant racism. You couldn't even work at Walmart spewing the garbage that Sterling believes.

For a example an owner might not approve of homosexuality because of his Christian beliefs. But he can express his beliefs respectfully. On the other hand if he got caught ranting about "gays this......gays that" generalizing and putting them down then their would be a huge uproar.

But it's hard for me to imagine these smart billionaires don't get the concept of league image and political correctness. I'm sure plenty of owners feel like Sterling does or worse but the name of the game is you better not get caught....

nycericanguy
05-22-2014, 03:38 PM
I get what you're saying...and I am from the city/currently live in the city so I really do...but "common-sense" is dangerous at times...and often times is irrational---borderline bias/prejudice.

I don't think so, but even if it is, better safe than sorry. Cuban isn't hurting anyone by crossing the street and walking the other way.

Now if he acts on that bias/prejudice, then that's a different story, but that's not what he said.

DoMeFavors
05-22-2014, 04:13 PM
Personally as an african american man myself I am getting tired of this stuff. Black people are people as is every race. Stop trying to single us out. In general people should be spoken as people not as black or white or hispanic. As a black man I want to be reffered to as a person not a "black" person.

cooters22
05-22-2014, 04:35 PM
Personally as an african american man myself I am getting tired of this stuff. Black people are people as is every race. Stop trying to single us out. In general people should be spoken as people not as black or white or hispanic. As a black man I want to be reffered to as a person not a "black" person.

I totally couldn't agree with you more. And honestly I think that is how most people feel. But problems arise when people of different races can and will use different words to call each other. And that is a problem, like it or not. So until that stops, I honestly think certain racism will always be there because you hear it every day in the city, in music, etc.

cmellofan15
05-22-2014, 04:38 PM
how the hell do you compare a black guy in a hoody and a white skinhead?

Sadds The Gr8
05-22-2014, 04:47 PM
I'm black and agree with him. Cant believe some of the backlash Cuban is getting. Some black ppl get butthurt over the smallest things....

Sandman
05-22-2014, 04:53 PM
I understand the slippery slope argument as far as setting precedent. What if an owner comes out and says he doesn't support gay marriage? What if an owner comes out and says that we should establish a national language and that offends speakers of other languages? What if one comes out and says that he thinks liberals/conservatives are making a mess of the country? What if an owner comes out and says that he thinks families work better with the wife staying at home instead of working? Those are all stances that are sure to offend certain people in our country. Are any of them worthy of being kicked out? Personally, I say no even though I don't agree with all of them. But where do we draw the line as far as what unpopular opinions are ok to have and let be known through freedom of speech and which ones are cause for getting kicked out I don't think it should be up for debate that Sterling's stance that minorities are lesser people is deserving of begin thrown out. In this specific case I think it's an easy decision but it's a matter of where we draw the line. The league isn't going to be able to throw Sterling out for being a racist - they're going to have to cite the loss of sponsorships and threats of players to boycott as the reason. So if any of those opinions I mentioned above cause even one sponsor to drop or upset a single player, then there is a parallel to the Sterling situation. If the owner with those views isn't popular now the other owners might be able to kick him out.
I think it's easy to avoid setting precedent over comments. Like you said, hammer the guy because he has sabotaged his team & lost sponsorships. This is just the status quo because the NBA said they were kicking him out. As next season starts creeping up and DS is still the owner of the Clips, they are going to lose sponsors again and the protests are going to come back in full force.

Throw him out because he's a liability. Thats a fine precedent to set -- say whatever you want but don't become a burden for everyone else.

joeyc77
05-22-2014, 04:54 PM
There's a big difference between controversal or unpopular opinions and blatant racism. You couldn't even work at Walmart spewing the garbage that Sterling believes.

For a example an owner might not approve of homosexuality because of his Christian beliefs. But he can express his beliefs respectfully. On the other hand if he got caught ranting about "gays this......gays that" generalizing and putting them down then their would be a huge uproar.

But it's hard for me to imagine these smart billionaires don't get the concept of league image and political correctness. I'm sure plenty of owners feel like Sterling does or worse but the name of the game is you better not get caught....

What if someone went on a private tirade about "Christians this....Christians that?" Does that qualify for league banishment as well?

Billionaires shouldn't have to get the concept of political correctness because it's a made up term developed by over sensitive crybabies filled with fake outrage over something that has zero effect on their life. And as for league image, I get that's an issue but I seriously doubt anyone really cares about what some old, racist idiot thinks. The league is about the product, which isn't great to begin with and is represented on the court by overgrown children in many cases constantly referring to each other using racisl slurs. We all know the examples of players in the league committing actual acts of violence and unsavory behavior only to receive suspensions and a new home to make millions.

tredigs
05-22-2014, 04:55 PM
@Cmello - he didn't say "skinhead", he said white guy with a shaved head and tattoos. That's a big (racist?) leap you're making, but a natural one for many.

D1JM
05-22-2014, 05:04 PM
cuban should of stayed quiet because a lot of people can't understand the difference between being prejudice and racist. it doesn't matter if you agree with him or not, but you have to stay quiet about this type of issues. especially coming from a business owner.

championships
05-22-2014, 05:11 PM
I'm not going to compromise my safety or my awareness of my surroundings just because some People want to cry racism.

I would rather avoid a potential bad situation than finding out I messed up the hard way.

cmellofan15
05-22-2014, 05:14 PM
@Cmello - he didn't say "skinhead", he said white guy with a shaved head and tattoos. That's a big (racist?) leap you're making, but a natural one for many.

haha a skinhead is someone with a shaved head. did I say anything more or less? nice try though. maybe if I would have used the words 'racist', 'white power' or 'aryan' you'd have an actual point.

championships
05-22-2014, 05:15 PM
how the hell do you compare a black guy in a hoody and a white skinhead?Right away you assume a white guy with a shaved head and tats are skin heads.

cmellofan15
05-22-2014, 05:16 PM
Right away you assume a white guy with a shaved head and tats are skin heads.

and right away you assume that a skinhead means something that it doesn't. see my last post, bud.

flea
05-22-2014, 05:16 PM
haha a skinhead is someone with a shaved head. did I say anything more or less? nice try though. maybe if I would have used the words 'racist', 'white power' or 'aryan' you'd have an actual point.

Nice try at digging yourself out. You've just proven Cuban 100% correct.

championships
05-22-2014, 05:18 PM
@Cmello - he didn't say "skinhead", he said white guy with a shaved head and tattoos. That's a big (racist?) leap you're making, but a natural one for many.

haha a skinhead is someone with a shaved head. did I say anything more or less? nice try though. maybe if I would have used the words 'racist', 'white power' or 'aryan' you'd have an actual point.wrong. Skinheads are a white supremacy group. Nobody calls a normal white male with a bald head a skin head. Way to get this all twisted like so many do.

tredigs
05-22-2014, 05:20 PM
Lmao - give me a break Melo. The term "skinhead" is well connected in the states with white power (hence you mentioning it), not simply a shaved head. If your take is the case, then I guess we have a LOT of skinheads in the NBA, ay?

Nice try. No backpeddaling from that.

hugepatsfan
05-22-2014, 05:24 PM
What if someone went on a private tirade about "Christians this....Christians that?" Does that qualify for league banishment as well?

Billionaires shouldn't have to get the concept of political correctness because it's a made up term developed by over sensitive crybabies filled with fake outrage over something that has zero effect on their life. And as for league image, I get that's an issue but I seriously doubt anyone really cares about what some old, racist idiot thinks. The league is about the product, which isn't great to begin with and is represented on the court by overgrown children in many cases constantly referring to each other using racisl slurs. We all know the examples of players in the league committing actual acts of violence and unsavory behavior only to receive suspensions and a new home to make millions.

The sponsors who dropped out of the NBA over what Sterling said care. The players that threatened to boycott care. Your post is so wrong it isn't funny. If anyone should care about political correctness, it should be people in the position of NBA owners. Failure to be politically correct means alienated fans/consumers which means potentially less revenue. Political correctness is more important to them than it is anyone else.

oballers
05-22-2014, 05:24 PM
Cuban says everyone is bigoted and prejudiced to some extent. Even himself. (That type of admittance and self-reflection is more admirable than it is reason to hate)

He sights examples in which his prejudice (for purposes of self preservation) may determine his actions even though he makes a conscious attempt to limit those cases. He loosely builds a description of a shady black and then a shady white character on the street at night and whether or not in each case he consciously moves to the other side.

Whether or not he actually does this in real life, he is really illustrating a point that this is a decision taken based on a stereotype that may loosely be defined as a prejudice. That he would rather not make this decision but finds himself susceptible and culpable to doing so.

This is all relatively rational behavior and what's more he admits that he too can have prejudices and that the key is to catch yourself doing that and correcting your thoughts /views with an attempt to think of people in an unbiased fair way. You can't really argue with his points.

But he is not blankly dismissing a race, religion or creed in the example he gives. He is just saying that appearance/dress will potentially dictate how cautious he is around certain people, in certain places, at certain times of the day/night. You could probably add other things to this description like if the individual is speaking loudly to seemingly nobody, carrying what looks like a bottle in a paper bag, swaying or moving erratically, has an open undressed wound or ripped clothes, these are all further survival tips 'clues' that further tell you (though they may be explainable in on way or another) that it may actually be better or safer on the other side of the road.

hugepatsfan
05-22-2014, 05:26 PM
how the hell do you compare a black guy in a hoody and a white skinhead?

If you don't mean skinhead as in the white supremacy group and just a bald guy then this post makes no sense. What would be wrong about comparing a back guy in a hoodie to a bald white man?

cmellofan15
05-22-2014, 05:28 PM
Lmao - give me a break Melo. The term "skinhead" is well connected in the states with white power (hence you mentioning it), not simply a shaved head. If your take is the case, then I guess we have a LOT of skinheads in the NBA, ay?

Nice try. No backpeddaling from that.

ohh, so sorry for taking a word at it's definition and not what it was associated with 30 or so years ago haha. I didn't say anything racist, but I love the effort of turning it into that.

cmellofan15
05-22-2014, 05:32 PM
If you don't mean skinhead as in the white supremacy group and just a bald guy then this post makes no sense. What would be wrong about comparing a back guy in a hoodie to a bald white man?

his comparison was a bald white guy with tattoos all over his face versus a black kid in a hoody. I've never felt threatened by either, but I'm thinking any kind of guy with tattoos all over his face is more dangerous. but maybe that's just me.

hugepatsfan
05-22-2014, 05:36 PM
his comparison was a bald white guy with tattoos all over his face versus a black kid in a hoody. I've never felt threatened by either, but I'm thinking any kind of guy with tattoos all over his face is more dangerous. but maybe that's just me.

Why are you more intimidated by one than the other though?

tredigs
05-22-2014, 05:36 PM
@HugePatsFan -- exactly. Caught him in the racist catch-22.

All Cuban is doing is making a very honest acknowledgement of something that virtually every person here feels to one degree or another. And while it's not ideal, it's simply a fact of our society that certain "looks" (be it shaved head/tattoos or seeing a dude in baggy jeans and a hoody) would generally have a higher chance of causing you trouble if you were alone at night than certain other looks will (suit with a bow-tie, kakhi's and a sweater... whatever). That's just a fact, fellas. If you disagree, I have to assume you solely live on the internet in fantasy land. It's unfortunate that it has to be that way, but people play the numbers and people will act accordingly (out of ignorance of the unknown and being "better safe than sorry").

hugepatsfan
05-22-2014, 05:40 PM
@HugePatsFan -- exactly. Caught him in the racist catch-22.

All Cuban is doing is making a very honest acknowledgement of something that virtually every person here feels to one degree or another. And while it's not ideal, it's simply a fact of our society that certain "looks" (be it shaved head/tattoos or seeing a dude in baggy jeans and a hoody) would generally have a higher chance of causing you trouble if you were alone at night than certain other looks will (suit with a bow-tie, kakhi's and a sweater... whatever). That's just a fact, fellas. If you disagree, I have to assume you solely live on the internet in fantasy land. It's unfortunate that it has to be that way, but people play the numbers and people will act accordingly (out of ignorance of the unknown and being "better safe than sorry").

One thing I will say is that the stereotypes and generalizations are know to the people that are the "victims" of them. Everyone knows how baggy jeans and a hoody will be perceived. They chose to buy those clothes knowing that. Everyone knows how a shaved head and tattoos will be perceived. They chose to shave their heads and get tatted anyway.

tredigs
05-22-2014, 05:41 PM
@Mello - lmao - Now the tattoos are "all over his face" in an attempt to make your case better? This is golden. You're trying to argue semantics and assume that the white guy is worse than the black guy in this situation to make him seem racist. His point is that both have a "scary" look about them. If it was a tough looking white dude with regular hair in the same clothes as the black dude, I guarantee he'd feel the same way.

Bottom line is that he's saying both - in his mind - have a higher chance of creating a situation if he's walking the streets alone at night than if he sees some guy in a business suit on the other side of the street. And guess what, although there is bigotry in his thinking, there's also logic behind it and he's 100% right to assume it.

cmellofan15
05-22-2014, 05:50 PM
I'm not gonna quote but this for tredigs and hugepatsfan

I don't think it's a racist catch 22 and I don't live in a fantasy land haha but I do think how you judge someone's appearance is based on how you view society. I don't want to be around ANYONE with tattoos on their face be it white, black, mexican or asian. I view someone with tattoos all over their face as dangerous, and I would like to avoid them. not because of the color of their skin, because of the way they present themselves. a hoody doesn't make me as cautious as a face full of tattoos.

and all in all, I don't consider anything Cuban said racist but I do think he's speaking out of turn when he's comparing the two. I think everyone here would agree that he probably isn't the most credible source as a billionaire owner.

tredigs
05-22-2014, 05:53 PM
He never once said anything about face tattoos though. You're just making the white guy seem scarier in your own head.

(My PSD has not been allowing me to quote the past week btw)

joeyc77
05-22-2014, 05:55 PM
The sponsors who dropped out of the NBA over what Sterling said care. The players that threatened to boycott care. Your post is so wrong it isn't funny. If anyone should care about political correctness, it should be people in the position of NBA owners. Failure to be politically correct means alienated fans/consumers which means potentially less revenue. Political correctness is more important to them than it is anyone else.

The outrage and concern is fake and contrived generated by media attention. People only care when they are told to. Sponsors drop out because they feel they need to for business reasons not out of some misguided sense of right and wrong.

When you are in public view, more than likely you are going to offend someone at some point. It means nothing unless the media decides to push the agenda to influence enough people in order to have an impact.

When Cuban talks about a slippery slope, this is what he means. Most fair minded people will agree Sterling has racist thoughts or beliefs but they were not currently in practice nor was he acting upon them to run his franchise. So ok cool, we get rid of the delusional, old racist for his private thoughts but whats next? It's sets a precedent that basically says " if enough people don't like you, we can oust you."

cmellofan15
05-22-2014, 05:56 PM
@Mello - lmao - Now the tattoos are "all over his face" in an attempt to make your case better? This is golden. You're trying to argue semantics and assume that the white guy is worse than the black guy in this situation to make him seem racist. His point is that both have a "scary" look about them. If it was a tough looking white dude with regular hair in the same clothes as the black dude, I guarantee he'd feel the same way.

Bottom line is that he's saying both - in his mind - have a higher chance of creating a situation if he's walking the streets alone at night than if he sees some guy in a business suit on the other side of the street. And guess what, although there is bigotry in his thinking, there's also logic behind it and he's 100% right to assume it.

you're right, that's my fault, I never meant to portray Cuban as racist. but I genuinely don't agree with the sentiment that a black kid in a hoody looks as dangerous as a white guy with tattoos all over his face. that was my intended point.

and he can feel that way but using the black kid in a hoody as a focal point stuck me as odd. probably the same as me using the word skinhead hahah

hugepatsfan
05-22-2014, 05:56 PM
I'm not gonna quote but this for tredigs and hugepatsfan

I don't think it's a racist catch 22 and I don't live in a fantasy land haha but I do think how you judge someone's appearance is based on how you view society. I don't want to be around ANYONE with tattoos on their face be it white, black, mexican or asian. I view someone with tattoos all over their face as dangerous, and I would like to avoid them. not because of the color of their skin, because of the way they present themselves. a hoody doesn't make me as cautious as a face full of tattoos.

and all in all, I don't consider anything Cuban said racist but I do think he's speaking out of turn when he's comparing the two. I think everyone here would agree that he probably isn't the most credible source as a billionaire owner.

I don't think he meant just any black man in a hoodie. I think he meant someone who was dressed like a street gangster. He just listed the stereotype for a "dangerous" black man and the stereotype for a "dangerous" white man.

cmellofan15
05-22-2014, 05:58 PM
He never once said anything about face tattoos though. You're just making the white guy seem scarier in your own head.

(My PSD has not been allowing me to quote the past week btw)

in the quote all over ESPN he did. I didn't check the link in OP.

" there’s a guy that has tattoos all over his face--white guy, bald head, tattoos everywhere--I’m walking back to the other side of the street"

here's the quote I saw, from the video.

tredigs
05-22-2014, 05:58 PM
@Mello -- gotchya, I do see where you're coming from, but @Patsfan, I agree with your take on it. That's how he intended his point.

Tony_Starks
05-22-2014, 06:03 PM
The sponsors who dropped out of the NBA over what Sterling said care. The players that threatened to boycott care. Your post is so wrong it isn't funny. If anyone should care about political correctness, it should be people in the position of NBA owners. Failure to be politically correct means alienated fans/consumers which means potentially less revenue. Political correctness is more important to them than it is anyone else.

Exactly. People can complain about PC all they want but I guarantee you there's some topics everyone knows not to even touch at work, especially in a corporate environment.

Nobody is going to associate themselves wih a known racist and jeopardize their money. Even if you don't care morally one way or another its still bad business...

valade16
05-22-2014, 06:03 PM
The outrage and concern is fake and contrived generated by media attention. People only care when they are told to. Sponsors drop out because they feel they need to for business reasons not out of some misguided sense of right and wrong.

When you are in public view, more than likely you are going to offend someone at some point. It means nothing unless the media decides to push the agenda to influence enough people in order to have an impact.

When Cuban talks about a slippery slope, this is what he means. Most fair minded people will agree Sterling has racist thoughts or beliefs but they were not currently in practice nor was he acting upon them to run his franchise. So ok cool, we get rid of the delusional, old racist for his private thoughts but whats next? It's sets a precedent that basically says " if enough people don't like you, we can oust you."

You mean aside from when his property company was determined to have acted in a racist manner? Or aside from when he was sued by a former employee for racism? Or aside from JJ Redick saying he had to be convinced to trade for him because he didn't think a white guy could play basketball? Or aside from attempting to limit the amount of black people that go to his games?

Yeah, clearly he never acts on his racist beliefs :rolleyes:

Raps_93
05-22-2014, 06:08 PM
If I see a black kid in a hoodie at night on the same side of the street, I’m probably going to walk to other side of the street. If I see a white guy with a shaved head and lots of tattoos, I’m going back to the other side of the street. If I see anybody that looks threatening, and I try not to, but part of me takes into account race and gender and image. .”



I do the same..

joeyc77
05-22-2014, 06:37 PM
You mean aside from when his property company was determined to have acted in a racist manner? Or aside from when he was sued by a former employee for racism? Or aside from JJ Redick saying he had to be convinced to trade for him because he didn't think a white guy could play basketball? Or aside from attempting to limit the amount of black people that go to his games?

Yeah, clearly he never acts on his racist beliefs :rolleyes:

You mean that time after which not only was he allowed to run his team but he won several NAACP lifetime achievement awards?

As I said, no one really cares until they are told to by the media.

Also, stop with limiting the amount of black people can go to games. He didn't want his GF to bring them... Not in general. Keep it honest and real.

bleedprple&gold
05-22-2014, 06:39 PM
I thought Cuban was a smart guy? Doesn't he know comments like these can only be interpreted negatively. Why say controversial things that can be taken the wrong way when you can keep just your mouth shut? These comments were totally unnecessary.

BigCityofDreams
05-22-2014, 06:46 PM
You mean that time after which not only was he allowed to run his team but he won several NAACP lifetime achievement awards?

As I said, no one really cares until they are told to by the media.

Also, stop with limiting the amount of black people can go to games. He didn't want his GF to bring them... Not in general. Keep it honest and real.

Timing is everything in the world just like it is in all walks of life. Does the media play a role sure it does but things have a way of going unnoticed. In the world we live in now things rarely fly under the radar. Even if it does then it pops up week later due to everyone being connected through social media.

Blitzace137
05-22-2014, 07:04 PM
I applaud Cuban for his brutal honesty and not being politically correct. We all make snap judgments, that's a psychological fact. I'm someone that wouldn't defend Sterling, he was a clear racist and obviously Cuban was trying to make a point regarding the power of the owners.

I remember J.Cole talking about this topic. The situation he was in was once he moved to NY and went to school in St. Johns university. He said when he walked down the street in the morning people just saw him as a normal college student with a backpack but at night time he noticed that people crossed the street when he had his hoodie on and it was dark out. He had the same response as some people over here what did people treat him differently at night time?

The second part of the story was when he made some real money and was driving a nice car he went into Brooklyn. He parked his car on the "good" side of Brooklyn is what he said and than went into the hood. When he was walking he saw a group of males in a hoodie and his mind he thought "I better get ready to fight because these guys are probably gonna try to rob me" He then said it was some hipster white kids.

The point is everyone makes quick judgements for their safety does that make everyone a racist? I would say No. Whether you cross the street or get ready to fight are both similar. Both situation your trying to protect yourself from getting jumped. Yea 9 out of 10 times, nothing might happen but your bettering your odds by completely taking yourself out of that situation by crossing the street. I live in NYC and there's a lot of crazies out there, I wouldn't want my mom or wife/girlfriend putting themselves in a situation where they can get robbed or assaulted at night. If crossing the street gets other people mad than so be it, better to maximize your chances on being safe.

joeyc77
05-22-2014, 07:05 PM
Timing is everything in the world just like it is in all walks of life. Does the media play a role sure it does but things have a way of going unnoticed. In the world we live in now things rarely fly under the radar. Even if it does then it pops up week later due to everyone being connected through social media.

But that's what makes it contrived and manufactured. It's not about the racism or perceived wrong, it's about the news story and the public interest. That's Cuban's fear...A slow news day and a perceived wrong and the NBA has grounds to oust anyone, for anything.

BigCityofDreams
05-22-2014, 07:15 PM
But that's what makes it contrived and manufactured. It's not about the racism or perceived wrong, it's about the news story and the public interest. That's Cuban's fear...A slow news day and a perceived wrong and the NBA has grounds to oust anyone, for anything.

But there would be no grounds to oust someone if the wrong things aren't said. If Sterling was a regular worker in a company and made those same statements he would be fired on the spot. As a public figure more attention will be paid to it. Ppl get fired for saying the wrong things in a place of business all the time. The only difference is we don't hear about it.

Tony_Starks
05-22-2014, 07:15 PM
But that's what makes it contrived and manufactured. It's not about the racism or perceived wrong, it's about the news story and the public interest. That's Cuban's fear...A slow news day and a perceived wrong and the NBA has grounds to oust anyone, for anything.

Pretty sure the "wrong" wasn't perceived but actual and that racism has been a pretty big deal for over 5 decades FYI....

SPURSFAN1
05-22-2014, 07:43 PM
Jalen Rose missed the whole fu...cking point. smh.

joeyc77
05-22-2014, 08:10 PM
But there would be no grounds to oust someone if the wrong things aren't said. If Sterling was a regular worker in a company and made those same statements he would be fired on the spot. As a public figure more attention will be paid to it. Ppl get fired for saying the wrong things in a place of business all the time. The only difference is we don't hear about it.

But he didn't say it at his place of business, he said it to one person over the phone. Would you like your entire life to be judged based on something you said on the phone?

joeyc77
05-22-2014, 08:12 PM
Pretty sure the "wrong" wasn't perceived but actual and that racism has been a pretty big deal for over 5 decades FYI....

Not to the NBA, the players like Chris Paul who wanted to go there and not to the NAACP who awarded him with LIFETIME achievement award.

Cal827
05-22-2014, 08:26 PM
Cuban was saying what most people are (at least a little bit). Rather than contribute something else valuable to this thread, I'm just going to attempt to de-rail it by posting false accusations about other PSD members:


The OP is Bigoted
SPURSFAN1 is Bigoted
Joey is Bigoted
Donald Sterling is on a date right now with that gold digger, and Magic Johnson in the most awkward 3 way date in recent history
JordansBulls makes bigoted remarks about Home Court Advantage
The Mod who will likely ban me is Bigoted towards trolls
I'm Bigoted towards Bigots

That's all, I'll see myself out :D

SPURSFAN1
05-22-2014, 08:33 PM
Cuban was saying what most people are (at least a little bit). Rather than contribute something else valuable to this thread, I'm just going to attempt to de-rail it by posting false accusations about other PSD members:


The OP is Bigoted
SPURSFAN1 is Bigoted
Joey is Bigoted
Donald Sterling is on a date right now with that gold digger, and Magic Johnson in the most awkward 3 way date in recent history
JordansBulls makes bigoted remarks about Home Court Advantage
The Mod who will likely ban me is Bigoted towards trolls
I'm Bigoted towards Bigots

That's all, I'll see myself out :D

I read what you posted about me before reading anything and I was like "what???"
Then I read everything you wrote and almost spilled all the coffee in my mouth from laughter. hahahahaaha

Crackadalic
05-22-2014, 09:45 PM
Regardless if what he said is wrong or not doesn't change the fact we all have pre judge in some way shape or form and I'm glad this is making people uncomfortable

I don't think it will be completely dead but as every issue the first step to recovery is admitting your mistakes or issues and in this content prejudice, racist, bigot etc

The more people talk about it the more people can actually think if what they are currently doing is wrong or not but once again you have to be carful with topics like this because it can either bring people together or separate us even further

Raps18-19 Champ
05-22-2014, 10:10 PM
Why did the headline not read: If I see a white kid with a shaved head and lots of tattoos, I'm crossing the street?

Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton would throw a fit.

BigCityofDreams
05-22-2014, 11:32 PM
But he didn't say it at his place of business, he said it to one person over the phone. Would you like your entire life to be judged based on something you said on the phone?

Why is that whenever something happens ppl always turn it around on others. He asked it to be recorded did he not. He assumed the risk that some attention whore could use this against him. Forget him not saying at his business. How many times have we heard or seen ppl make racist comments over the net and have it affect their status in life. Hell didn't the kids that mocked Trayvon's death get fired or at least suspended for a while. Don't phone conversations get used against other ppl all the time whether it's something serious like murder for hire or a wife catching their bf cheating.

steelcityroller
05-22-2014, 11:59 PM
This. Cmon OP this thread title was awful


Ridiculous. Put the full quote or don't even bother.


lol cmon op, dont do us like that


Because it doesn't fit the OP's agenda.

This is how all the news outlets are running this story.... I seeming comments all over the place that Mark Cuban needs to be fired now as well. Even though when put in context with his entire conversation what he said wasn't even remotely racist just straight up honest.

COOLbeans
05-23-2014, 12:03 AM
He went to Indiana

Arch Stanton
05-23-2014, 12:44 AM
I think Cuban was just saying that everyone has inherent racial biases. It doesn't mean he or others are bigots like Sterling.

Hotone1401
05-23-2014, 01:24 AM
The OP is Bigoted
SPURSFAN1 is Bigoted
Joey is Bigoted
Donald Sterling is on a date right now with that gold digger, and Magic Johnson in the most awkward 3 way date in recent history
JordansBulls makes bigoted remarks about Home Court Advantage
The Mod who will likely ban me is Bigoted towards trolls
I'm Bigoted towards Bigots

But I'm gay and there are so many bigots that bash on me so I'm used to it. I'm sort of standoffish with people now and a jerk but that's okay because I'm used to having things up my ***

This.

cssdmark
05-23-2014, 01:43 AM
I understand the slippery slope argument as far as setting precedent. What if an owner comes out and says he doesn't support gay marriage? What if an owner comes out and says that we should establish a national language and that offends speakers of other languages? What if one comes out and says that he thinks liberals/conservatives are making a mess of the country? What if an owner comes out and says that he thinks families work better with the wife staying at home instead of working? Those are all stances that are sure to offend certain people in our country. Are any of them worthy of being kicked out? Personally, I say no even though I don't agree with all of them. But where do we draw the line as far as what unpopular opinions are ok to have and let be known through freedom of speech and which ones are cause for getting kicked out I don't think it should be up for debate that Sterling's stance that minorities are lesser people is deserving of begin thrown out. In this specific case I think it's an easy decision but it's a matter of where we draw the line. The league isn't going to be able to throw Sterling out for being a racist - they're going to have to cite the loss of sponsorships and threats of players to boycott as the reason. So if any of those opinions I mentioned above cause even one sponsor to drop or upset a single player, then there is a parallel to the Sterling situation. If the owner with those views isn't popular now the other owners might be able to kick him out. No owner will dare to say anything re: gay marriage, if so they are done. It is funny because the more tolerant this society becomes about these things the less tolerant society has become about people who do not agree with it (example gay marriage) it as if you cannot have an opinion that is not the same as the current popular belief, if so you get persecuted. By the way I agree 100% with your post.

cssdmark
05-23-2014, 02:33 AM
You mean aside from when his property company was determined to have acted in a racist manner? Or aside from when he was sued by a former employee for racism? Or aside from JJ Redick saying he had to be convinced to trade for him because he didn't think a white guy could play basketball? Or aside from attempting to limit the amount of black people that go to his games?

Yeah, clearly he never acts on his racist beliefs :rolleyes: out of curiosity did he say black people should not come to the game or was it specific to the lady he liked appearing with black people on her Facebook or at the game. It is obvious Sterling is a racist but it seems to me he was more concerned about being showed up, which is understandable as he is 81, she is 20 something. She is suppose to be his lady and she is posting picks with her with younger black males (stereotype all black men are sex addicts and well hung) and she is flaunting it. Next he says he does not care if she is doing black men just do not make it public, again he does not want to be shown up. First problem is he is insecure and that is understandable as no 81 old man can handle a 20 year old woman. 2nd he is racist which is probably attributed to how he was raised when people of different nationalities came to America they congregated and lived in neighbors hoods with their own nationality. No excuses for Sterling but I do understand why he is who he is. By the way I am black. It is funny I live in Ca but am from NYC and still today places where specific nationalities live and if another race ventures into that area it is at their own peril. I personally stereotype with Hispanic males with bald heads with tattoos all over there face and head, I had two follow me, they must have thought I was a gang member they recognized but when they realized I was not after 15 min they went on their way. I was with my family in Vegas and took my two daughters and wife to get on a ride in one of the hotels and there were two Mexican guys with tattoos all over their face and bodies, my wife asked me what was wrong as I looked angry, I said nothing but in the back of my mind I associated them as trouble and was thinking if something goes down how to handle it and get my family to safety. The one bad experience lead me to feeling that way whenever I see bald Mexicans with tattoos all over. Never had the feeling of anger with the many other Mexicans I saw that night just them. I am not a racist but I stereotype certain people all the time due to my past experiences and images conveyed though media.

Hotone1401
05-23-2014, 03:31 AM
This is a dumb thread. Racism is prevalent is will remain endemic to human society as long as we exist. There's no getting around it. There is no right or wrong. Everybody has their opinions and Donald just got baited into revealing his. I love Cuban's response.

I'm black. I know what it's like. But I know the world isn't going to change ever. I totally respect Mark Cuban for his honesty and him just keeping it real in the media. Too many people like to tip toe the line as far as what's appropriate. The world needs more truth.

rocketfuel
05-23-2014, 03:48 AM
Cuban does love the sound of his own voice.

GoCrew5
05-23-2014, 03:59 AM
This is how all the news outlets are running this story.... I seeming comments all over the place that Mark Cuban needs to be fired now as well. Even though when put in context with his entire conversation what he said wasn't even remotely racist just straight up honest.

Yeah, the media is running with this story and you got people like Jalen Rose on twitter not helping matters.

I should have worded the title differently but it brought people into the thread lol just like the journalists who are doing the same thing.

I agree with Cuban's comments 100%, and don't think this is a big deal at all. Everything turns into racism these days, and its a pretty pathetic joke.

joeyc77
05-23-2014, 08:20 AM
Why is that whenever something happens ppl always turn it around on others. He asked it to be recorded did he not. He assumed the risk that some attention whore could use this against him. Forget him not saying at his business. How many times have we heard or seen ppl make racist comments over the net and have it affect their status in life. Hell didn't the kids that mocked Trayvon's death get fired or at least suspended for a while. Don't phone conversations get used against other ppl all the time whether it's something serious like murder for hire or a wife catching their bf cheating.

Because the extremism of certain people when it comes to fringe elements of society like Donald Sterling force some of us to stand up for what we believe should be the right of a person, no matter how much we disagree with him.

I'm not talking about the actions of the NBA. They have the right to act within their by-laws and DS has the right to appeal and take it to court to be settled.

Racism and bigotry is horrible but instead of having an honest discussion about it, people just want to financially injure, ostracize and silence any adverse opinion or belief other than their own. And as I said, it's disingenuous because it's knit picked by the media.

Had this been done over Sterlings shady business practices or the Elgin Baylor incident, I wouldn't care. However, since it's about something he said, to one person, who he was trying to bang, it makes it seem silly and hypocritical.

Cuban is trying to point out some of these elements to the other owners to protect their rights in the future. Essentially they are giving their right to own an NBA franchise away to sponsors and the commissioner. If they can oust an owner over not his actions but over a silly phone call, they can oust one for anything.

Oefarmy2005
05-23-2014, 10:50 AM
Respect to Cuban for being honest - he is 100% correct.

BigCityofDreams
05-23-2014, 11:45 AM
Because the extremism of certain people when it comes to fringe elements of society like Donald Sterling force some of us to stand up for what we believe should be the right of a person, no matter how much we disagree with him.

I'm not talking about the actions of the NBA. They have the right to act within their by-laws and DS has the right to appeal and take it to court to be settled.

Racism and bigotry is horrible but instead of having an honest discussion about it, people just want to financially injure, ostracize and silence any adverse opinion or belief other than their own. And as I said, it's disingenuous because it's knit picked by the media.

Had this been done over Sterlings shady business practices or the Elgin Baylor incident, I wouldn't care. However, since it's about something he said, to one person, who he was trying to bang, it makes it seem silly and hypocritical.

Cuban is trying to point out some of these elements to the other owners to protect their rights in the future. Essentially they are giving their right to own an NBA franchise away to sponsors and the commissioner. If they can oust an owner over not his actions but over a silly phone call, they can oust one for anything.

Not silly or hypocritical at all. Many times private lives affect what we do in our professional lives. I have a friend that works in real estate. Yrs ago she had a ton of pictures up of her time in college. Most if not all pictures were her and her friends with cups in their hands putting up their middle finger. Guess what each and everyone of those pictures is gone...completely. You can't find a trace of her behaving the way she did. I doubt she was told to remove them and it was more of a preemptive strike. Sterling asked to be recorded by his side piece and then according to reports attempted to get the his piece to lie about the tape. He obviously realized he made a grave error in what he said.

Yes Sterling maybe outed for his words but his punishment is more of a life time achievement thing. Their handling a situation that wasn't handled before.