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Nikeman
05-20-2014, 08:26 PM
Cavs #1 Pick
Bucks #2 Pick
76ers #3
Magic #4
Jazz #5

Well, if Cleveland wasn't stupid, and wasted last years 1 on Anthony Bennett, this team would have some serious potential to go far. Seems like they win the #1 pick every year now LOL.

Wiggins/Kyrie combo??

I think they should trade Waitors for value (apparently he doesnt get alone with Irving), and then draft Embid/Wiggins?

NYJ - NYY
05-20-2014, 08:27 PM
Wild

Bruno
05-20-2014, 08:28 PM
you've gotta be kidding me.

B'sCeltsPatsSox
05-20-2014, 08:28 PM
Watch them draft Exum.

bigsams50
05-20-2014, 08:28 PM
Lol They will probbaly draft Marcus Smart with their drafting history

Giannis94
05-20-2014, 08:29 PM
3 of the last 4 #1 picks and Cavs fans will still find a way to complain about losing Lebron.

abe_froman
05-20-2014, 08:29 PM
3 number 1's since lebron left

...look at some point the league has to stop feeling pity for gilbert and gifting it to them every year

NYJ - NYY
05-20-2014, 08:29 PM
3 of the last 4 #1 picks and Cavs fans will still find a way to complain about losing Lebron.

Word up

black1605
05-20-2014, 08:30 PM
So pumped that Charlotte gets Detroit's pick. 9 and 24 in this draft is pretty solid.

chi-townlove1
05-20-2014, 08:30 PM
Lmao coulda been Kyrie Jabari/wiggins and Noel to build around.

jsthornton7
05-20-2014, 08:30 PM
**** cle.

LTBaByyy
05-20-2014, 08:30 PM
Lose Lebron. Get 3 #1 picks

Rigged

THE MTL
05-20-2014, 08:30 PM
NBA still paying them back for losing Lebron James! This is horrible.

xXx J0SE 21 xXx
05-20-2014, 08:30 PM
3 number 1's since lebron left

...look at some point the league has to stop feeling pity for gilbert and gifting it to them every year


+1

Bucks and philly both needed that pick

Tony_Starks
05-20-2014, 08:30 PM
After the epic tank that Philly did they STILL didn't get the pick! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!

P&GRealist
05-20-2014, 08:30 PM
They'll pick Embiid, who's back will act up, and that'll be the end.

Nikeman
05-20-2014, 08:31 PM
With the #1 Pick, Kyrie, and tons of cap room, think LeBron is enticed by Cavs now? Speculation on ESPN!

slaker619
05-20-2014, 08:31 PM
They need wiggins if they pick anyone else they messed up finale .

j-bay
05-20-2014, 08:31 PM
The NBA wanted Kyrie to stay in Cleveland. If Kyrie bolts then Cleveland will not be good for another 10 years.

Giannis94
05-20-2014, 08:31 PM
**** cle.

Lebron did enough, no?

JoeDirt05
05-20-2014, 08:31 PM
This league is so rigged lol doing everything to get lebron back and keep Kyrie in Cleveland

abe_froman
05-20-2014, 08:31 PM
3 of the last 4 #1 picks and Cavs fans will still find a way to complain about losing Lebron.

this lol

everyone has to stop feeling sorry for them over lebron,the pity party is over

bucketss
05-20-2014, 08:32 PM
im just happy the lakeshow didn't get it, i wouldn't know what to do if wiggins went to LA :D

PraiseJesus
05-20-2014, 08:32 PM
I hate the NBA

does anyone doubt this thing is rigged really???

Bruno
05-20-2014, 08:32 PM
the cavs had the 10th best chance right? this is an all time draft lottery high if i'm not mistaken.

flea
05-20-2014, 08:32 PM
I guess we know what Lebron's doing after Miami, now.

PraiseJesus
05-20-2014, 08:33 PM
Cleveland is pathetic

Giannis94
05-20-2014, 08:33 PM
this lol

everyone has to stop feeling sorry for them over lebron,the pity party is over
You catch Bill Simmons rant? It was great.

THE MTL
05-20-2014, 08:33 PM
+1

Bucks and philly both needed that pick

Im glad Philly didnt get it. They did not deserve it. This season was a tank for the ages. Im glad they werent rewarded.

PraiseJesus
05-20-2014, 08:34 PM
You catch Bill Simmons rant? It was great.

I missed it what did he say

JEDean89
05-20-2014, 08:34 PM
the cavs had the 10th best chance right? this is an all time draft lottery high if i'm not mistaken.

9th, tied with the bulls i think

Bruno
05-20-2014, 08:34 PM
lebron should totally go back to cleveland and take this team back to the finals?

Irving
Waiters
LeBron
Thompson
Embiid?

trade waiters and bennett for a floor spreading sg.

xXx J0SE 21 xXx
05-20-2014, 08:34 PM
+1

Bucks and philly both needed that pick

Im glad Philly didnt get it. They did not deserve it. This season was a tank for the ages. Im glad they werent rewarded.

I agree, it was embarrassing what they did but they still were ***** lol

Max.This
05-20-2014, 08:35 PM
super lulz. After Celtics came out and said they were adding another canadian to their squad... lulz. After the lakers talking about trading their "top 3 pick" for kevin love....... some funny stuff guys.

True Sports Fan
05-20-2014, 08:36 PM
the cavs had the 10th best chance right? this is an all time draft lottery high if i'm not mistaken. Didn't magic jump from 10 to 1?

PraiseJesus
05-20-2014, 08:36 PM
Stop with the embiid garbage.

Wiggins is going #1 theres no question

lakersfan01
05-20-2014, 08:36 PM
The NBA does their lottery selection behind locked closed doors with no cameras. If it was a legitimate fair process, it would be televised to show that it isn't rigged.

How many #1 overall picks do they need to gift the Cavs just because Lebron left their sorry *****???

warfelg
05-20-2014, 08:36 PM
You catch Bill Simmons rant? It was great.

I did and it's spot on. Pity ended when they had 1&4 and ****ed up.

Seriously this isn't kosher with me. Based on the Cavs records they had a .001% chance of this happening.

Giannis94
05-20-2014, 08:37 PM
I missed it what did he say

He said the system is BS, that a team like Cle. gets the #1 pick 3/4 years. Said that a team that is constantly hiring/firing front office personnel and brought up a handful of CLE. moves. Finished up by bringing up Mike Brown signed to a 5 year deal and is fired in the first.

j-bay
05-20-2014, 08:37 PM
I got a feeling Kyrie would have left the Cavs if they didn't get help soon. If the guy who they pick shows he is good, this MIGHT keep him around.

BSF101
05-20-2014, 08:37 PM
Anyone with half a brain can tell this was rigged. I have nothing against the Cavs but come on #1 pick three times??? In the last 4 years.

BALLER R
05-20-2014, 08:37 PM
BS come on they lose Lebron and constantly end top 5 picks. 2 number 1 picks in what 4 years. How is that even possible. The odds of that gotta be near impossible.

If Lebron goes to Cleveland God help us all I don't see how he doesn't win another ring.

But somehow the cavs will **** this up.

Wonder who gets the coaching job.

THE MTL
05-20-2014, 08:37 PM
So they essentially traded Lebron James for 3 #1 picks lol.

Giannis94
05-20-2014, 08:37 PM
Anyone with half a brain can tell this was rigged. I have nothing against the Cavs but come on #1 pick theree times??? In the last 5 years.

I don't think its completely rigged. BOS and LAL would have gotten #1 and #2.

JasonJohnHorn
05-20-2014, 08:37 PM
This is fawked.

The Cavs front office doesn't deserve that pick after wasting the last one.

JoeDirt05
05-20-2014, 08:38 PM
You catch Bill Simmons rant? It was great.

I did and it's spot on. Pity ended when they had 1&4 and ****ed up.

Seriously this isn't kosher with me. Based on the Cavs records they had a .001% chance of this happening.

I'm starting to feel like the Cavs should enter a real lottery drawing with the odds they keep winning with they could have won the mega millions 3 or 4 times **** the nba rig jobs it's been happening since Ewing to the Knicks

P&GRealist
05-20-2014, 08:38 PM
BS come on they lose Lebron and constantly end top 5 picks. 2 number 1 picks in what 4 years. How is that even possible. The odds of that gotta be near impossible.

If Lebron goes to Cleveland God help us all I don't see how he doesn't win another ring.

But somehow the cavs will **** this up.

Wonder who gets the coaching job.

Byron Scott

FlashBolt
05-20-2014, 08:38 PM
Sixers needed that pick more than anyone.. Not saying it's fixed but when you can guess Cleveland wins, it's getting fishy.

BALLER R
05-20-2014, 08:39 PM
Stop with the embiid garbage.

Wiggins is going #1 theres no question

It's the Cavs they could be stupid enough to pass Wiggins, Parker and Embiid.

Crackadalic
05-20-2014, 08:39 PM
Cavs trade the pick for love and convince deng to resign

Kyrie
Waiters
Deng
Love
Center

Calling it

PraiseJesus
05-20-2014, 08:39 PM
I get the feeling that NBA fans aren't going to accept this

JoeDirt05
05-20-2014, 08:39 PM
Sixers needed that pick more than anyone.. Not saying it's fixed but when you can guess Cleveland wins, it's getting fishy.

They didn't deserve the pick for tanking from day one

WITZ
05-20-2014, 08:40 PM
The NBA wanted Kyrie to stay in Cleveland. If Kyrie bolts then Cleveland will not be good for another 10 years.

Yea cuz we have been good these last few years with him... :laugh2: This GM can't **** his one up

BALLER R
05-20-2014, 08:41 PM
Giving Lebron more reasons to go back home. Anyways you guys think they keep the pick? or even trade Irving. It's the cavs here you never know what they're thinking.

Chrisclover
05-20-2014, 08:41 PM
Lose Lebron. Get 3 #1 picks

Rigged
I am jealous.

Bostonjorge
05-20-2014, 08:41 PM
Cavs going to have the greatest team ever. 3 #1 picks on 1 team. They don't need Lebron.

BSF101
05-20-2014, 08:41 PM
I don't think its completely rigged. BOS and LAL would have gotten #1 and #2.

I think there's more to these lotteries that the NBA doesn't want the fans to know. We all know Lebron is the greatest NBA player right now and what he did to the fans in Cleveland screams OK fans you lost a great player here's three #1 picks to shut you up.

lakersfan01
05-20-2014, 08:42 PM
The NBA is making the WWE look legit.

bucketss
05-20-2014, 08:42 PM
they should trade irving to philly for the 3rd pick plus MCW LOLLL

JoeDirt05
05-20-2014, 08:42 PM
Cavs going to have the greatest team ever. 3 #1 picks on 1 team. They don't need Lebron.

One of those picks was Bennett lol

Raidaz4Life
05-20-2014, 08:42 PM
They didn't deserve the pick for tanking from day one

This, as stupid as it was that Cle won, Philly was the last team I wanted to see win the lottery

GiantsSwaGG
05-20-2014, 08:42 PM
fixed

goingfor28
05-20-2014, 08:42 PM
Bahahahahaha again

JoeDirt05
05-20-2014, 08:42 PM
they should trade irving to philly for the 3rd pick plus MCW LOLLL

It's already being approved through league offices

bucketss
05-20-2014, 08:44 PM
Cavs going to have the greatest team ever. 3 #1 picks on 1 team. They don't need Lebron.

they only got one right so far though

BALLER R
05-20-2014, 08:44 PM
Weirdest thing about all this is Drake made a song call draft day, about Manziel and Wiggins. And they could both end up in the same city. That's just creepy.

astonmartin10
05-20-2014, 08:45 PM
Crazy. There is no way they can mess this pick up.

Only if they draft Embiid and he continues to have back problems that doesn't allow him yo play.

2-ONE-5
05-20-2014, 08:45 PM
After the epic tank that Philly did they STILL didn't get the pick! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!

we didnt have the best odds though...

2-ONE-5
05-20-2014, 08:46 PM
as sickening it i to see the cavs get the top pick again if the take Embiid all is forgiven in Philly

BALLER R
05-20-2014, 08:46 PM
they only got one right so far though

Exactly plus they messed up the Tristan Thompson pick as well.

flea
05-20-2014, 08:46 PM
Weirdest thing about all this is Drake made a song call draft day, about Manziel and Wiggins. And they could both end up in the same city. That's just creepy.

He's a prophet. All hail the crippled kid from Degrassi!

PraiseJesus
05-20-2014, 08:48 PM
no one is taking a 7 footer with back problems over Wiggins

no one - not even the rigged cavs

stop with the Embiid garbage please

BSF101
05-20-2014, 08:48 PM
Weirdest thing about all this is Drake made a song call draft day, about Manziel and Wiggins. And they could both end up in the same city. That's just creepy.

I say we get our pitch forks and torches and get him lol.

ohreally
05-20-2014, 08:49 PM
The NBA is making the WWE look legit.

This

Arch Stanton
05-20-2014, 08:51 PM
Suck it haters!

chipurmunki
05-20-2014, 08:51 PM
the league isn't even trying to mask their favoritism any more. i could care less if the braindead, ********, nutless monkey gm that runs the cavs misses on his picks, just to have ANOTHER #1 pick is beyond anything the ncaa has done.

how many fans will the nba lose because of their perpetual and misguided bs blind homerism to the catatonic cav knuckleheads???

STRIKERC
05-20-2014, 08:51 PM
Philly fan here, i may be in the minority but i for one i'm glad we didn't get the #1 pick. As long as we can land one o Embiid, Wiggins or Parker i'm good. I have a feeling we end up with the best of the 3. Good omen.

NBA_Starter
05-20-2014, 08:51 PM
The riggery is at an all time high!

chipurmunki
05-20-2014, 08:53 PM
they'll still whiff on this pick like they usu do. there is seriously not a single worse franchise to gift-wrap and #1 pick to.

Giannis94
05-20-2014, 08:55 PM
I'm a Bucks fan. Happy to have gotten #2. I sincerely hope Embiid goes #1.

Arch Stanton
05-20-2014, 08:56 PM
Chris Grant is no longer the GM so hopefully no whiffing on the pick.

KingstonHawke
05-20-2014, 08:56 PM
Really hard not to think that the NBA lottery is rigged. Every year it seems to go to the team that the NBA benefits from having it the most.

I had been saying since the beginning of the season that no matter the Lakers record they wouldn't get it. It's just too easy to attract FAs to LA. They want the prolific rookies in markets that can't draw free agents like when New Orleans won.

This draft was needed for Cleveland to keep Kyrie where he is at. Now the Cavs can put together a super team to tempt Lebron into coming back. Wont work though... I live in South Beach literally, and those guys LOVE it here. Moving from Nebraska to SoBe I couldn't believe the upgrade in women, food, and just quality of life. And I only make 6 figures a year.

Giannis94
05-20-2014, 08:56 PM
they'll still whiff on this pick like they usu do. there is seriously not a single worse franchise to gift-wrap and #1 pick to.

Whats funny is that last years #1 pick wouldn't be top 10 this year. No one from last years class would be top 10 if you did a combined mock draft BEFORE the actual NBA season started.

dalton749
05-20-2014, 08:56 PM
the NBA, where ruining top prospects careers before they even start, via clevland happens

jmartin80
05-20-2014, 08:56 PM
I said it in the other thread, but I will say it here too. Cause I want too.

I believe the draft is rigged. Have for a while including the Rose pick.

Currently, the NBA values Lebron more then the big markets. The big markets are going to pull in their money, but Lebron is worth everything to them. He is their poster child. They need all the talent in Cleveland they can. Then Lebron comes in to save them and his reputation which I think is still shattered. What a great player / unselfish player who is the greatest Savior for his home team, the Cavs. What a King.

I think it is ********.

moshy2
05-20-2014, 08:58 PM
**** the cavs winning again. There's no way they are always this lucky. Was hoping to see it stay in Mil or Orl

Giannis94
05-20-2014, 08:58 PM
Really hard not to think that the NBA lottery is rigged. Every year it seems to go to the team that the NBA benefits from having it the most.

I had been saying since the beginning of the season that no matter the Lakers record they wouldn't get it. It's just too easy to attract FAs to LA. They want the prolific rookies in markets that can't draw free agents like when New Orleans won.

This draft was needed for Cleveland to keep Kyrie where he is at. Now the Cavs can put together a super team to tempt Lebron into coming back. Wont work though... I live in South Beach literally, and those guys LOVE it here. Moving from Nebraska to SoBe I couldn't believe the upgrade in women, food, and just quality of life. And I only make 6 figures a year.

Kyrie is more likely to leave CLE than Lebron going back. Kyrie is at odds with the front office and he is the only legitimate #1-#2 option on the team with absolutely no reason to sign with CLE.

jmartin80
05-20-2014, 08:58 PM
Really hard not to think that the NBA lottery is rigged. Every year it seems to go to the team that the NBA benefits from having it the most.

I had been saying since the beginning of the season that no matter the Lakers record they wouldn't get it. It's just too easy to attract FAs to LA. They want the prolific rookies in markets that can't draw free agents like when New Orleans won.

This draft was needed for Cleveland to keep Kyrie where he is at. Now the Cavs can put together a super team to tempt Lebron into coming back. Wont work though... I live in South Beach literally, and those guys LOVE it here. Moving from Nebraska to SoBe I couldn't believe the upgrade in women, food, and just quality of life. And I only make 6 figures a year.

You and I posted at the same time, and you said it better then I did. I 100% agree. Cheers.

Giannis94
05-20-2014, 08:58 PM
Suck it haters!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTeCc8jy7FI

rocket
05-20-2014, 08:59 PM
**** you Cleveland **** YOU

PraiseJesus
05-20-2014, 08:59 PM
I said it in the other thread, but I will say it here too. Cause I want too.

I believe the draft is rigged. Have for a while including the Rose pick.

Currently, the NBA values Lebron more then the big markets. The big markets are going to pull in their money, but Lebron is worth everything to them. He is their poster child. They need all the talent in Cleveland they can. Then Lebron comes in to save them and his reputation which I think is still shattered. What a great player / unselfish player who is the greatest Savior for his home team, the Cavs. What a King.

I think it is ********.

you are 100% correct

sammyvine
05-20-2014, 09:00 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTeCc8jy7FI

the cavs shouldn't have that many number 1 picks in so few years BUT the only thing i can say positive is that it is egg on the faces of those who were tanking all along

The 76ers i am talking about mainly who were just losing deliberately

The cavs actually tried to make the playoffs.

WITZ
05-20-2014, 09:01 PM
Kyrie is more likely to leave CLE than Lebron going back. Kyrie is at odds with the front office and he is the only legitimate #1-#2 option on the team with absolutely no reason to sign with CLE.

Source ?? Otherwise this is just another story like the time Waiters punched Kyrie giving him a black eye :laugh2:

torocan
05-20-2014, 09:02 PM
Thought about it a bit and honestly, this doesn't even bother me.

Cleveland always screws up their picks. Even with this year being the deepest draft in ages, I can still see Cleveland finding a way to pick the 1 bust out of the top 5.

Bucks and 76ers will be fine with the #2 and #3 picks. Top 3 is just crazy good so it really isn't that much difference, especially if you count on the Cavs messing up their pick.

Should be an interesting draft day...

Hawkeye15
05-20-2014, 09:03 PM
3 number 1's since lebron left

...look at some point the league has to stop feeling pity for gilbert and gifting it to them every year

it is utter bull ****. Cleveland should not continue to be rewarded for being such a pathetic team when it comes to drafting.

j-bay
05-20-2014, 09:06 PM
Source ?? Otherwise this is just another story like the time Waiters punched Kyrie giving him a black eye :laugh2:

I havn't seen anything with the front office, but there has been some times where he was unhappy. I imagine if nothing improves between now and when his contract ends, i think he might start looking

KingstonHawke
05-20-2014, 09:07 PM
You and I posted at the same time, and you said it better then I did. I 100% agree. Cheers.

I think it's becoming clear to everybody that the NBA does whatever is best for business. It's not like they ever explained the "basketball reasons" behind blocking the Paul to Lakers trade.


Kyrie is more likely to leave CLE than Lebron going back. Kyrie is at odds with the front office and he is the only legitimate #1-#2 option on the team with absolutely no reason to sign with CLE.

Kyrie isn't leaving now unless they completely botch the pick again. Which I wouldn't put past them if it wasn't for their being just so much talent at the top of the board. It was hilarious watching Bill Simmons reaction though lol.

Kaner
05-20-2014, 09:08 PM
This notion that the Cavs have blown all their draft picks is soooo overblown... they're almost definitely going to pick Wiggins and they're going to be a young and talented team.

prodigy
05-20-2014, 09:09 PM
NBA still paying them back for losing Lebron James! This is horrible.

O ya cuz everyone loves Cleveland lol stupid comment of the year.

koreancabbage
05-20-2014, 09:10 PM
it is utter bull ****. Cleveland should not continue to be rewarded for being such a pathetic team when it comes to drafting.

at least this year, they are sure to hit gold!..... 99% sure on this one, just like I was 99% on their last #1 picks

sammyvine
05-20-2014, 09:11 PM
kyrie irving isnt even that good
the way people are making him out. he is an all star but he isn't a superstar as if he was the cavs wouldn't even be in the lottery lol

he isn't a durant/ lebron level player

PraiseJesus
05-20-2014, 09:11 PM
what are the odds of one team getting the first pick 3/4 years when 2 of the years they were picking high?

The odds are too low to be coincidence

Hawkeye15
05-20-2014, 09:13 PM
This notion that the Cavs have blown all their draft picks is soooo overblown... they're almost definitely going to pick Wiggins and they're going to be a young and talented team.

tough to blow them when they are always #1....

Even though they did last year. That being said, it was a terrible draft. But it is complete and utter bull **** that they have had 5 #1 picks in the last 11 years. And 3 of the last 4. It's just pure crap.

Kaner
05-20-2014, 09:13 PM
at least this year, they are sure to hit gold!..... 99% sure on this one, just like I was 99% on their last #1 picks

really you were 99% sure in a draft where the top 3 prospects were Otto Porter, Alex Len, and Nerlens Noel?

sammyvine
05-20-2014, 09:13 PM
This notion that the Cavs have blown all their draft picks is soooo overblown... they're almost definitely going to pick Wiggins and they're going to be a young and talented team.

the thing is it is actually harder to pick first as you have more of a chance to screw up

i won't be surprised if a player outside the top 3 ends up the best player in the draft like exum or aaron gordon. Westbrook went number 4 in 2008 and wasn't valued at all but you can argue that he is the best player from that draft. Likewise Steph Curry and James Harden in 2009.

Picking first isn't always the best thing! just ask OKC lol

Arch Stanton
05-20-2014, 09:14 PM
I'll take some negative Cleveland threads for the #1 pick. Oh wait, that's right... it wouldn't matter anyway.

Hawkeye15
05-20-2014, 09:15 PM
kyrie irving isnt even that good
the way people are making him out. he is an all star but he isn't a superstar as if he was the cavs wouldn't even be in the lottery lol

he isn't a durant/ lebron level player

Irving went to overrated faster than anyone in the NBA over the past 3 years. I thought is was garbage that Blake was considered a top 10 player entering 2012-13 by a few sites, but Irving shouldn't even be rated in the top 25, and he is constantly rated as top 15. Fortunately, people have started to catch up on him.

ThunderousDemon
05-20-2014, 09:15 PM
Wiggins is going to just love cleveland. :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysmLA5TqbIY

sammyvine
05-20-2014, 09:16 PM
tough to blow them when they are always #1....

Even though they did last year. That being said, it was a terrible draft. But it is complete and utter bull **** that they have had 5 #1 picks in the last 11 years. And 3 of the last 4. It's just pure crap.

yup i rarely agree with you but its true. That is just way too much. That said they did try and win. I didnt want the 76ers to get it after they just tanked the whole year,

Surely the cavs can't mess it up/ I think Wiggins should go number but who knows Parker may end up like Durant and be the superstar

Hawkeye15
05-20-2014, 09:16 PM
I'll take some negative Cleveland threads for the #1 pick. Oh wait, that's right... it wouldn't matter anyway.

But, putting aside being a Cleveland fan, don't you think its bull **** to have 5 #1 picks in 11 years, and 3 of the last 4?

Stop sucking, please. So someone else can have a shot.

Hawkeye15
05-20-2014, 09:17 PM
yup i rarely agree with you but its true. That is just way too much. That said they did try and win. I didnt want the 76ers to get it after they just tanked the whole year,

Surely the cavs can't mess it up/ I think Wiggins should go number but who knows Parker may end up like Durant and be the superstar

you don't agree with me on the Kobe/LeBron crap. We have always been in tune on the other 400 NBA players and teams haha.

sammyvine
05-20-2014, 09:18 PM
Irving went to overrated faster than anyone in the NBA over the past 3 years. I thought is was garbage that Blake was considered a top 10 player entering 2012-13 by a few sites, but Irving shouldn't even be rated in the top 25, and he is constantly rated as top 15. Fortunately, people have started to catch up on him.

I think he is a good player but the way people keep saying the cavs were given the number 1 pick to keep Kyrie makes him out to be some superstar which so far he isn't. Never made the playoffs in a rubbish easter conference. He also doesnt play defence.

James harden took a poor houston team to the playoffs in the western conference in his first season being the number 1 option.

koreancabbage
05-20-2014, 09:20 PM
really you were 99% sure in a draft where the top 3 prospects were Otto Porter, Alex Len, and Nerlens Noel?

its called sarcasm :facepalm:

PraiseJesus
05-20-2014, 09:22 PM
Kyrie isn't overrated............ are you all freaking kidding me?????

Between some of you clowns saying Cavs will pick Embiid - Trade for Love - the Draft isnt rigged - and that Kyrie is overrated

Im losing my mind... use some common sense!

Hawkeye15
05-20-2014, 09:22 PM
I think he is a good player but the way people keep saying the cavs were given the number 1 pick to keep Kyrie makes him out to be some superstar which so far he isn't. Never made the playoffs in a rubbish easter conference. He also doesnt play defence.

James harden took a poor houston team to the playoffs in the western conference in his first season being the number 1 option.

Harden's team was much more talented, but I do get your point. In the east, if you are really a superstar, you are making the playoffs, period.

Arch Stanton
05-20-2014, 09:25 PM
But, putting aside being a Cleveland fan, don't you think its bull **** to have 5 #1 picks in 11 years, and 3 of the last 4?

Stop sucking, please. So someone else can have a shot.

It's not like they intentionally tanked. They actually tried to make the playoffs. I don't want them to suck and it's sad rooting for lottery picks. But I don't feel bad because I am a Cleveland sports fan and we haven't had a winner in 50 years.

As a Wolves fan you should be slightly intrigued as the Cavs are interested in Love. Doubt it happens because I don't see Love extending with Cavs but something to consider.

***3rd time in four years @Cavs will have the 1st pick. Last team to do so: 1963-66 Knicks. They got Art Heyman, Jim Barnes and Cazzie Russell.

Wolfman01
05-20-2014, 09:25 PM
Cavs will offer their 1st pick overall for kevin love again.

tm95835
05-20-2014, 09:26 PM
Kyrie can give wiggins a few tips on how to dribble the ball

Wade n Fade
05-20-2014, 09:26 PM
Rigging the draft, really classy NBA.

Shammyguy3
05-20-2014, 09:27 PM
Kyrie can give wiggins a few tips on how to dribble the ball

and Wiggins can give him a lot of tips on defense

PraiseJesus
05-20-2014, 09:30 PM
Im hoping it all IMPLODES on the Cavs and the NBA

Theres a decent chance that 3 superstars - 2 of which who havent made a name in the NBA yet - won't be able to co exist and win championships

bklynny67
05-20-2014, 09:30 PM
ya know what's funny, if it wasn't rigged, when they drew the first team and saw it was CLE.... he probably said to himself, "****, now everyone's gonna think this was rigged".... lol

jmartin80
05-20-2014, 09:30 PM
You know something is messed up when I agree with Heat fans.

Hawkeye15
05-20-2014, 09:30 PM
It's not like they intentionally tanked. They actually tried to make the playoffs. I don't want them to suck and it's sad rooting for lottery picks. But I don't feel bad because I am a Cleveland sports fan and we haven't had a winner in 50 years.

As a Wolves fan you should be slightly intrigued as the Cavs are interested in Love. Doubt it happens because I don't see Love extending with Cavs but something to consider.

***3rd time in four years @Cavs will have the 1st pick. Last team to do so: 1963-66 Knicks. They got Art Heyman, Jim Barnes and Cazzie Russell.

as a Wolves fan, I am absolutely not interested. Why would Love agree to opt in, or sign an extension for a team that has Irving, and nothing else, while being in the midwest? You are basically the Wolves.

Kaner
05-20-2014, 09:31 PM
its called sarcasm :facepalm:

Then it's still going over my head because I don't see what's the sarcastic part? That they're not actually sure to hit gold? Because they are.

Kyrie Irving was more or less a sure thing that has, mostly, panned out.

So that leaves last years draft where there wasn't a single guy that looked like a sure thing. Spell out your point to me because I don't get what you were trying to say...

Arch Stanton
05-20-2014, 09:34 PM
as a Wolves fan, I am absolutely not interested. Why would Love agree to opt in, or sign an extension for a team that has Irving, and nothing else, while being in the midwest? You are basically the Wolves.

I don't think he would sign an extension. But if it were to happen it's not a bad consolation prize for the Wolves is all I'm saying.

Game_Over
05-20-2014, 09:34 PM
I blame Stern.

zn23
05-20-2014, 09:36 PM
I don't want to see Wiggins in Cleveland or Milwaukee, that would be very cruel.

One has a ******** owner. The other team is just flat out bad in every way.

Sixers have nicer jersey's , I'd like to see him on the Sixers.

NBA_Starter
05-20-2014, 09:38 PM
The Cavs moving up helped the Hornets get the Pistons pick so I really don't mind it this year.

Hawkeye15
05-20-2014, 09:39 PM
I don't think he would sign an extension. But if it were to happen it's not a bad consolation prize for the Wolves is all I'm saying.

oh, I would LOVE the #1 pick for him. But it just isn't happening with the Cavs getting it.

bigsams50
05-20-2014, 09:43 PM
The Cavs moving up helped the Hornets get the Pistons pick so I really don't mind it this year.

lol This. :dance:

Jamiecballer
05-20-2014, 09:44 PM
I don't see the logic for rigging it for Cleveland. The league has no reason to care much about that market. Its not a charity, its a business. And if you think the league thinks Kyrie is going to be some big deal the league should want him just about anywhere but Cleveland.

Raps18-19 Champ
05-20-2014, 09:48 PM
oh, I would LOVE the #1 pick for him. But it just isn't happening with the Cavs getting it.

I see what you did there.

GodsSon
05-20-2014, 09:49 PM
Cavs will select Embiid and continue in their tradition of botching up picks.

TheScab
05-20-2014, 09:58 PM
as a Wolves fan, I am absolutely not interested. Why would Love agree to opt in, or sign an extension for a team that has Irving, and nothing else, while being in the midwest? You are basically the Wolves.

Smh. Nothing else? Allstar caliber Luol Deng 16 ppg, Dion Waiters 15.9 ppg, Anderson Varajeo 9.7 rpg.

So you wouldnt consider trading you #1 pick to Minny for Love and have a lineup of
Irving
Waiters
Deng
Love
Varejeo

With Bennet still developing and coming off the bench.

That is a sick team and Love would resign.

mattz1212
05-20-2014, 10:00 PM
Anybody who is wondering the odds of the Cavs winning their 3 lotteries... it's 00.05% or 2000 in 1

Mcdoh
05-20-2014, 10:06 PM
if cavs screw this one again.. watch them win the lottey again next year. :D

bklynny67
05-20-2014, 10:06 PM
Literally any lotto team could have won the #1 pick and people would scream rigged. A legit argument can be made for any team.

In conclusion; people who think it's rigged will always think it's rigged no matter what.

Also, before the drawing I don't remember seeing anyone on here saying that it would be fixed for CLE.... I saw people guess the Lakers and a couple other teams, but didn't see anyone guess CLE.... now that's it's CLE, everyone says it was fixed for them. :rolleyes:

MackShock
05-20-2014, 10:09 PM
Rigged.

Aust
05-20-2014, 10:12 PM
They shouldn't be allowed to draft in the top 10 for the next decade.

Yes, I'm bitter.

EastCoastRaptor
05-20-2014, 10:12 PM
Lets see here...

In 2011 with clippers pick 8th best odds at 2.8% they get the first pick
In 2013 with 3rd best odds at 15.6% they get the first pick
In 2014 with 10th best odds at 1.7% they get the first pick

I would love to see the actual odds of that happening. I'm just glad a tanking team didn't get top pick this year.

warfelg
05-20-2014, 10:13 PM
Literally any lotto team could have won the #1 pick and people would scream rigged. A legit argument can be made for any team.

In conclusion; people who think it's rigged will always think it's rigged no matter what.

Also, before the drawing I don't remember seeing anyone on here saying that it would be fixed for CLE.... I saw people guess the Lakers and a couple other teams, but didn't see anyone guess CLE.... now that's it's CLE, everyone says it was fixed for them. :rolleyes:

Because people were basically thinking "no way the NBA goes there".

Hawkeye15
05-20-2014, 10:13 PM
Smh. Nothing else? Allstar caliber Luol Deng 16 ppg, Dion Waiters 15.9 ppg, Anderson Varajeo 9.7 rpg.

So you wouldnt consider trading you #1 pick to Minny for Love and have a lineup of
Irving
Waiters
Deng
Love
Varejeo

With Bennet still developing and coming off the bench.

That is a sick team and Love would resign.

I don't think he would. And move that team to the west. They are the Wolves. 40-41 wins.

The Wolves would have been a #3 seed out east this year.

Stunner
05-20-2014, 10:14 PM
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KingstonHawke
05-20-2014, 10:18 PM
Smh. Nothing else? Allstar caliber Luol Deng 16 ppg, Dion Waiters 15.9 ppg, Anderson Varajeo 9.7 rpg.

So you wouldnt consider trading you #1 pick to Minny for Love and have a lineup of
Irving
Waiters
Deng
Love
Varejeo

With Bennet still developing and coming off the bench.

That is a sick team and Love would resign.

Both of yall think WAY too small.

You give the Wolves Verajao, Waiters, Thompson and next years 1st that's better than what any other team can offer him. So he's already going to play one year. And as long as everyone stays healthy he is guaranteed a playoff spot. And then you move Bennet and Jack to the Lakers for the #7th pick and Nash who they could then just buyout. That's Kyrie, Love, the #1 and 7, plus enough cap space that you could add Carmelo or someone else good like Pierce or Deng.

Kyrie Irving $6
James Young $3
Carmelo Anthony $20
Kevin Love $16
Joel Embiid $5

That's a team that could win the championship in it's first year if everyone was healthy in the playoffs. And that's not even counting all the ring chasing role players that would sign for the low.

Kaner
05-20-2014, 10:18 PM
I think an interesting trade scenario could open up because of this with a sign and trade between Houston and Cleveland swapping luol deng for Omer Asik

cmellofan15
05-20-2014, 10:18 PM
Smh. Nothing else? Allstar caliber Luol Deng 16 ppg, Dion Waiters 15.9 ppg, Anderson Varajeo 9.7 rpg.

So you wouldnt consider trading you #1 pick to Minny for Love and have a lineup of
Irving
Waiters
Deng
Love
Varejeo

With Bennet still developing and coming off the bench.

That is a sick team and Love would resign.

well in short:

Kyrie is overrated
Dion is a ballhog & allegedly a terrible practice/locker room guy
Andy has played very few games in the last 4 seasons and is on the decline
Deng is as good as gone
Bennett isn't good

but with that being said, Kyrie is still pretty good.

2-ONE-5
05-20-2014, 10:21 PM
Whats funny is that last years #1 pick wouldn't be top 10 this year. No one from last years class would be top 10 if you did a combined mock draft BEFORE the actual NBA season started.

after seeing them play i think MCW, Oladipo would be in the mix and probably Noel too

cmellofan15
05-20-2014, 10:23 PM
well in that draft's defense, Anthony Bennett was a terrible selection at #1

Mikeleafs
05-20-2014, 10:41 PM
Cavs #1 Pick
Bucks #2 Pick
76ers #3
Magic #4
Jazz #5

Well, if Cleveland wasn't stupid, and wasted last years 1 on Anthony Bennett, this team would have some serious potential to go far. Seems like they win the #1 pick every year now LOL.

Wiggins/Kyrie combo??

I think they should trade Waitors for value (apparently he doesnt get alone with Irving), and then draft Embid/Wiggins?


Is your sig a joke?

raptors_fanatic
05-20-2014, 10:49 PM
Nba posted a vid showing behind the scenes to the lottery but i cant seem to understand why they're drawing four balls at a time and how the odds play into a factor, heres the vid

http://www.nba.com/video/channels/draft/2014/05/20/052014-draft-lottery-behind-the-scenes.nba/index.html

Raps18-19 Champ
05-20-2014, 10:55 PM
Nba posted a vid showing behind the scenes to the lottery but i cant seem to understand why they're drawing four balls at a time and how the odds play into a factor, heres the vid

http://www.nba.com/video/channels/draft/2014/05/20/052014-draft-lottery-behind-the-scenes.nba/index.html

Each team given a 4 digit combination and if you match it up, you win. Each team gets a % of the possible combinations. So say there are 10,000 combinations, the team with the 25% chance had 2500 different combinations.

numba1CHANGsta
05-20-2014, 10:58 PM
Does anyone know why the NBA has the lottery and no other sport does? because it's easier to rig :) I'm starting to lose all respect for the NBA, once Kobe retires so will I

KingstonHawke
05-20-2014, 11:11 PM
Each team given a 4 digit combination and if you match it up, you win. Each team gets a % of the possible combinations. So say there are 10,000 combinations, the team with the 25% chance had 2500 different combinations.

They need to just make those combinations public in advance. That would end any speculation of it being rigged. But they wont do that, because, it's most likely rigged. No coincidence that the NBA owned Hornets/Pelicans won the draft rights to Anthony Davis right before selling the team.

Raps18-19 Champ
05-20-2014, 11:12 PM
Does anyone know why the NBA has the lottery and no other sport does? because it's easier to rig :) I'm starting to lose all respect for the NBA, once Kobe retires so will I

The NHL has a lottery.

The NBA didn't have a lottery for years and followed it based on record but people complained so they changed to a lottery.

HouRealCoach
05-20-2014, 11:13 PM
Does anyone know why the NBA has the lottery and no other sport does? because it's easier to rig :) I'm starting to lose all respect for the NBA, once Kobe retires so will I

Had anyone won it, people will say it's rigged

Raps18-19 Champ
05-20-2014, 11:14 PM
They need to just make those combinations public in advance. That would end any speculation of it being rigged. But they wont do that, because, it's most likely rigged. No coincidence that the NBA owned Hornets/Pelicans won the draft rights to Anthony Davis right before selling the team.

Making it public or not doesn't change the actual draw though. You can literally have the # combinations public today and that wouldn't have changed how the balls bounced around the machine when it was getting picked. Having the combinations is merely for comfort. Either way, if your team doesn't win, you will scream rigged.

They already have a room with NBA representatives and a Big 4 Accounting Firm (who has so much more power than the NBA to the point where it's impossible for the NBA to bribe them).

_Gmen_
05-20-2014, 11:17 PM
3 #1 picks in 4 years is way too many.

What a disgrace.

PraiseJesus
05-20-2014, 11:21 PM
Does anyone know why the NBA has the lottery and no other sport does? because it's easier to rig :) I'm starting to lose all respect for the NBA, once Kobe retires so will I

I think many fans feel the same way today

This is a disgrace and there is no justice for the fans. It's only about making the small market owners money at this point.

DR_1
05-20-2014, 11:28 PM
You know something is messed up when I agree with Heat fans.

:laugh2:

Oh and does anyone have a link to the Bill Simmons rant?

Kyben36
05-20-2014, 11:35 PM
I hate this for many reasons, none of which involved lebron till i saw another thread mentioning him.

but **** the cavs man, if they cant get it right with

#1 in 2011 - Kyrie Irving
#4 in 2011 - Tristan Thompson
#4 in 2012 - Dion Waiters
#1 in 2013 - Anthony Bennet
#1 in 2014

Jeez, 3 out of the last 4 years, **** man.

that could be a starting lineup right there man.

Kyrie
Waiters
Bennet
Thompson
Embid

and they probably still wont make the playoffs.

_Gmen_
05-20-2014, 11:56 PM
I hate this for many reasons, none of which involved lebron till i saw another thread mentioning him.

but **** the cavs man, if they cant get it right with

#1 in 2011 - Kyrie Irving
#4 in 2011 - Tristan Thompson
#4 in 2012 - Dion Waiters
#1 in 2013 - Anthony Bennet
#1 in 2014

Jeez, 3 out of the last 4 years, **** man.

that could be a starting lineup right there man.

Kyrie
Waiters
Bennet
Thompson
Embid

and they probably still wont make the playoffs.



LMAO @ them.

That's why you trade your pick when you know (or should know) it is a weak draft.

TrAv=MaGiCfReAk
05-20-2014, 11:58 PM
They need to make it where somehow if you win 1st pick then the following year you are not eligible to be in the top 3 or at least not eligible to win 1st pick again next year.

It would not only help teams from tanking so hard but also not allow back to back first overall picks which is unfair to teams who never win the lotto or haven't in forever like jazz or kings heck the bucks deserved it most this year .... im glad the 76ers epic obvious tank act didn't pay off for them ...

BKLYNpigeon
05-20-2014, 11:58 PM
i hope the cave screw this pick up. lol.

DR_1
05-21-2014, 12:01 AM
They need to make it where somehow if you win 1st pick then the following year you are not eligible to be in the top 3 or at least not eligible to win 1st pick again next year.

It would not only help teams from tanking so hard but also not allow back to back first overall picks which is unfair to teams who never win the lotto or haven't in forever like jazz or kings heck the bucks deserved it most this year .... im glad the 76ers epic obvious tank act didn't pay off for them ...

This is a good idea.

_Gmen_
05-21-2014, 12:03 AM
Maybe Adam Silver needs to step in and make the Cavs picks for them since they are unable to not completely botch a draft ever since LeBron.

TheIlladelph16
05-21-2014, 12:10 AM
Really upset we aren't going to get Wiggins, but I'm excited to see what happens with the #3 and #10 picks. We are a lock for one of Embied, Wiggins or Parker, none of which is a bad consolation prize at #3.

TrAv=MaGiCfReAk
05-21-2014, 12:15 AM
You'll take exum or randle I'm sure lol

TrAv=MaGiCfReAk
05-21-2014, 12:16 AM
So waiters/Thompson and the first overall pick for Kevin love?

Arch Stanton
05-21-2014, 12:17 AM
Maybe Adam Silver needs to step in and make the Cavs picks for them since they are unable to not completely botch a draft ever since LeBron.

New GM in Griffin. He's nothing like Chris Grant. Besides I don't even think CG would mess up this draft.

Arch Stanton
05-21-2014, 12:19 AM
So waiters/Thompson and the first overall pick for Kevin love?

I've heard that rumor but I doubt it happens as Love will most likely not extend with Cleveland. No thanks to that overhaul for a rental.

_Gmen_
05-21-2014, 12:22 AM
New GM in Griffin. He's nothing like Chris Grant. Besides I don't even think CG would mess up this draft.

Is it really worth the chance though?

Arch Stanton
05-21-2014, 12:25 AM
Is it really worth the chance though?

I don't think you can go wrong with any of Embiid, Wiggins, or Parker. I think the top 8 players in this draft are better than any players from the 2013 class.

_Gmen_
05-21-2014, 12:26 AM
I don't think you can go wrong with any of Embiid, Wiggins, or Parker. I think the top 8 players in this draft are better than any players from the 2013 class.

I could see Cleveland drafting some Euro.

ChI_ShIzzLe
05-21-2014, 12:27 AM
the cavs had the 10th best chance right? this is an all time draft lottery high if i'm not mistaken.

Bulls also beat 1.7% odds in 08

mngopher35
05-21-2014, 12:39 AM
So waiters/Thompson and the first overall pick for Kevin love?


I've heard that rumor but I doubt it happens as Love will most likely not extend with Cleveland. No thanks to that overhaul for a rental.

This one would be up to Love as he said above. IF Love wanted to play with Kyrie and Cavs had other moves in place to round out the roster I guess it might be possible. I just doubt he would sign off on it and the Cavs won't do it without his approval (as they shouldn't for a rental). It would be the best package offered I'm guessing.

mjt20mik
05-21-2014, 12:40 AM
anyone thinks they go for Embiid?

Arch Stanton
05-21-2014, 12:44 AM
I could see Cleveland drafting some Euro.

Doubt it.

_Gmen_
05-21-2014, 12:45 AM
anyone thinks they go for Embiid?

Nothing would surprise me from them.

1st Pick + Waiters and fillers for Love would be funny.

Arch Stanton
05-21-2014, 12:46 AM
This one would be up to Love as he said above. IF Love wanted to play with Kyrie and Cavs had other moves in place to round out the roster I guess it might be possible. I just doubt he would sign off on it and the Cavs won't do it without his approval (as they shouldn't for a rental). It would be the best package offered I'm guessing.

I also think it's better financially for Love to wait and sign a new contract.

ThuglifeJ
05-21-2014, 01:22 AM
I don't really get why they'd rig it for the Cavs? Why would the league pity a smaller market like Cleveland? Explain..

If the lottery is rigged (which it seems like it is), there's no reason why the games can't be influenced as well.

Arch Stanton
05-21-2014, 01:37 AM
I don't really get why they'd rig it for the Cavs? Why would the league pity a smaller market like Cleveland? Explain..

If the lottery is rigged (which it seems like it is), there's no reason why the games can't be influenced as well.

Yeah, fans will pretty much say it's rigged if their team didn't land the #1 pick.

kobe4thewinbang
05-21-2014, 02:27 AM
It's just so lame. Cleveland only made one good draft choice (LBJ, duh). To have it again feels like they don't deserve it. Obviously they better pick Wiggins or Parker, but neither guy will help the Cavs out of that self-dug pit.

I wonder what the Lakers will do with the 7th pick. I guess 7 is alright, but not ideal. It's just so weird seeing the Lakers get a top 10 pick.

:puke:

ThuglifeJ
05-21-2014, 02:29 AM
I don't really get why they'd rig it for the Cavs? Why would the league pity a smaller market like Cleveland? Explain..

If the lottery is rigged (which it seems like it is), there's no reason why the games can't be influenced as well.

Yeah, fans will pretty much say it's rigged if their team didn't land the #1 pick.

But it was a .1% chance they get that #1.....is sorta ridiculous. Still don't get why they want to rig it for smaller market Cleveland tho..

WITZ
05-21-2014, 02:40 AM
The salt is still strong in here :laugh:

kobe4thewinbang
05-21-2014, 02:48 AM
The salt is still strong in here :laugh:And the Cavs are a laughingstock. Straight up pathetic team since LeBron left. Playing the victim, making brainless decisions, suck city. They should be better by now. Good luck, Wiggins! You'll need it!

Arch Stanton
05-21-2014, 02:50 AM
It's just so lame. Cleveland only made one good draft choice (LBJ, duh). To have it again feels like they don't deserve it. Obviously they better pick Wiggins or Parker, but neither guy will help the Cavs out of that self-dug pit.

I wonder what the Lakers will do with the 7th pick. I guess 7 is alright, but not ideal. It's just so weird seeing the Lakers get a top 10 pick.

:puke:

Are you referring to the history of the Cavs drafting? Or drafting #1 picks?

Cavs #1 picks:

1971 | Austin Carr
1986 | Brad Daughterty
2003 | LeBron James
2011 | Kyrie Irving
2013 | Anthony Bennett
2014 | TBD

Looking at their #1 picks other than Anthony Bennett they hit on their picks. And Bennett is still unproven and drafted in a very poor class. The biggest issue with their recent drafting is not drafting for fit. They didn't really bust on their picks. They just didn't pick players that fit well together.

Arch Stanton
05-21-2014, 02:53 AM
And the Cavs are a laughingstock. Straight up pathetic team since LeBron left. Playing the victim, making brainless decisions, suck city. They should be better by now. Good luck, Wiggins! You'll need it!

Wow someone is mad! U Mad?

BlinkManJan02
05-21-2014, 02:59 AM
As a Bucks fan this is pretty upsetting..i am shocked we got the 2nd tho..I was expecting the 4th. At least Wiggins or Parker will be available when we pick. I hope wiggins is available still.

JoeDirt05
05-21-2014, 03:06 AM
I don't really get why they'd rig it for the Cavs? Why would the league pity a smaller market like Cleveland? Explain..

If the lottery is rigged (which it seems like it is), there's no reason why the games can't be influenced as well.

Yeah, fans will pretty much say it's rigged if their team didn't land the #1 pick.

I'm a blazers fan who made the playoffs and don't have a pick and I can clearly tell this **** is rigged to get lebron back in Cleveland the league made so much money when he was in Cleveland because everyone loved him hell I had a lebron jersey now that he is in Miami everyone hates him if they get him back in Cleveland he will be seen as the returning hero and his jersey will sell like crazy again rigging it for Cleveland means more cash money because lebron goes home

kobe4thewinbang
05-21-2014, 03:32 AM
Wow someone is mad! U Mad?No, I just wish Cleveland would become good again and quit whimpering. If they can't do that with Wiggins, good lawd!

kobe4thewinbang
05-21-2014, 03:33 AM
Are you referring to the history of the Cavs drafting? Or drafting #1 picks?

Cavs #1 picks:

1971 | Austin Carr
1986 | Brad Daughterty
2003 | LeBron James
2011 | Kyrie Irving
2013 | Anthony Bennett
2014 | TBD

Looking at their #1 picks other than Anthony Bennett they hit on their picks. And Bennett is still unproven and drafted in a very poor class. The biggest issue with their recent drafting is not drafting for fit. They didn't really bust on their picks. They just didn't pick players that fit well together.LOL, I was born in 1990 and started watching NBA in 2002.

0nekhmer
05-21-2014, 04:01 AM
I would've been glad if Philly or Orlando got the pick, but fking 1.7% chance Cleveland gets it?? I need to go read a list of things thaat can happen to me daily with 1.7% chance

sammyvine
05-21-2014, 04:30 AM
I don't really get why they'd rig it for the Cavs? Why would the league pity a smaller market like Cleveland? Explain..

If the lottery is rigged (which it seems like it is), there's no reason why the games can't be influenced as well.

which is true

if it was rigged they would want the top two picks to go to boston and the lakers

east fb knicks
05-21-2014, 04:37 AM
Really upset we aren't going to get Wiggins, but I'm excited to see what happens with the #3 and #10 picks. We are a lock for one of Embied, Wiggins or Parker, none of which is a bad consolation prize at #3.

the sixers already have noel would they draft embied if he fell or exum:confused:

tredigs
05-21-2014, 04:42 AM
You know who thinks the draft is rigged? Complete idiots with no concept of business or the logistics of the draft lottery.

"IF THEY ONLY OPENED THE LOTTERY TO TVS THO!#"

... It's witnessed live by members of every team in the lottery, an independent accounting firm, and the media. They would all have to be in on it (for the city of... Cleveland...) to ensure this works seamlessly without an uproar.

No official or member of the present media has ever expressed an ounce of doubt that the lottery has been 100% legitimate.

But, yet, the internet wages on. I truly pity you people and the anguish that the average day must hold for you.

_Gmen_
05-21-2014, 05:00 AM
Cavs don't deserve the pick.

And I stated earlier, since 1985, only 3 teams with the worst record have gotten the #1 overall pick.

Stupid system.

C-ross12
05-21-2014, 05:11 AM
I don't get why people believe this system is rigged. Wouldn't the NBA want to move the Lakers and Celtics up a few spots instead of down one?

I think its more comical then rigged that CLE is at 1 again. 3 Number 1's in real recent memory? Shouldn't they be a dynasty?

Chrisclover
05-21-2014, 05:16 AM
The NBA is making the WWE look legit.

If only we get #1 pick. The conspiracists shall take a look at us Lakers fans. If the rig conspiracy is true, it is a flaw one because LAL is not included.

Chrisclover
05-21-2014, 05:17 AM
One of those picks was Bennett lol

Bennett will thrive into all star alongside Erving and Wiggins. The impetus is just too big. lol

Stunner
05-21-2014, 05:54 AM
I like this mock draft a lot except the fact I think the bulls take Doug if he's there at 16th http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2067740-2014-nba-mock-draft-post-lottery-full-2-round-projections

basketfan4life
05-21-2014, 06:34 AM
cleveland gets HOMETOWN kid LeBron

chicago gets hometown kid Rose

New Orleans gets the first pick just before NBA sells the team

Cleveland gets 3 no.1 pick in 4 years after losing LeBron.

It is almost impossible for them to rig it in front of all those people. But looking at all those draft results, it at least a little iffy.

basketfan4life
05-21-2014, 06:36 AM
Top 4 picks go to Eastern Conference in the deepest draft since 2003, this should at least even the parity between eastern and western confrences, unless these kids decide to pull a LeBron come their time.

FraziersKnicks
05-21-2014, 06:42 AM
You know who thinks the draft is rigged? Complete idiots with no concept of business or the logistics of the draft lottery.

"IF THEY ONLY OPENED THE LOTTERY TO TVS THO!#"

... It's witnessed live by members of every team in the lottery, an independent accounting firm, and the media. They would all have to be in on it (for the city of... Cleveland...) to ensure this works seamlessly without an uproar.

No official or member of the present media has ever expressed an ounce of doubt that the lottery has been 100% legitimate.

But, yet, the internet wages on. I truly pity you people and the anguish that the average day must hold for you.

Exactly this.

Everyone team representative must be a Cavs fans.

Also do all these conspiracy theorists think the NBA wants a small market team with a crappy owner to get the first pick in one of the most top heavy drafts in years?

Hmmm, Wiggins/Jabari in Cleveland or Wiggins/Jabari in Los Angeles/Boston? I bet the NBA is secretly pissed that a superstar talent is gonna be wasted in the small market of Cleveland.

Everyone's crying foul that the Cavs have got the 1st pick in 3 of the last 4 drafts but do they forget the #1 pick in 2011 should've been the Clippers if they hadn't traded it?

sammyvine
05-21-2014, 06:48 AM
Top 4 picks go to Eastern Conference in the deepest draft since 2003, this should at least even the parity between eastern and western confrences, unless these kids decide to pull a LeBron come their time.

this is actually a great point

thats one thing i am happy about. the east is a joke and apart from the pacers and miami the rest suck. in the west you have okc, spurs, clippers, warriors, memphis, dallas, and even the suns.

sammyvine
05-21-2014, 06:50 AM
Exactly this.

Everyone team representative must be a Cavs fans.

Also do all these conspiracy theorists think the NBA wants a small market team with a crappy owner to get the first pick in one of the most top heavy drafts in years?

Hmmm, Wiggins/Jabari in Cleveland or Wiggins/Jabari in Los Angeles/Boston? I bet the NBA is secretly pissed that a superstar talent is gonna be wasted in the small market of Cleveland.

Everyone's crying foul that the Cavs have got the 1st pick in 3 of the last 4 drafts but do they forget the #1 pick in 2011 should've been the Clippers if they hadn't traded it?
well said

i am no cavs fans but i think they are just lucky with the balls lol. That said they don't pick well as is evident with the fact they were in the lottery this year
They may mess this years pick up by taking Embiid instead of wiggins or parker. I bet the cavs are in the lottery next year again lol

mightybosstone
05-21-2014, 08:15 AM
I hate that Cleveland got the top pick for three reasons:

1. They botched the No. 1 pick so horribly last year. Granted, the draft was one of the least talented I've ever seen since I started watching basketball, but Bennett was so clearly not worthy of the No. 1 overall pick.

2. Cleveland has had their chances and I would have liked to see someone else get a shot. Teams like Milwaukee, Philly and Orlando were just far more deserving.

3. It gives conspiracy theorists another reason to suggest the lottery is rigged. However, I still call ********, because there were a handful of teams who could have won it and people would have *****ed that it was rigged. Or if the Laker or Celtics had even just gotten the second or third picks, people would have claimed it was rigged.

Arch Stanton
05-21-2014, 08:18 AM
Maybe teams will reconsider tanking going forward?!?!? Yeah I doubt it!

ottograham14
05-21-2014, 08:22 AM
Cavs don't deserve the pick.

And I stated earlier, since 1985, only 3 teams with the worst record have gotten the #1 overall pick.

Stupid system.

And yet teams still try tanking. Blame it on teams tanking if you don't like the system. Owners and GM's of teams like the 76'ers, Bucks have no one else to blame but themselves.

ottograham14
05-21-2014, 08:24 AM
I hate that Cleveland got the top pick for three reasons:

1. They botched the No. 1 pick so horribly last year. Granted, the draft was one of the least talented I've ever seen since I started watching basketball, but Bennett was so clearly not worthy of the No. 1 overall pick.

2. Cleveland has had their chances and I would have liked to see someone else get a shot. Teams like Milwaukee, Philly and Orlando were just far more deserving.

3. It gives conspiracy theorists another reason to suggest the lottery is rigged. However, I still call ********, because there were a handful of teams who could have won it and people would have *****ed that it was rigged. Or if the Laker or Celtics had even just gotten the second or third picks, people would have claimed it was rigged.

Why does Philly or Milwaulkee deserve it more? Because they threw away a season and tried tanking to get a top pick? Orlando I'll give you but they have quite the luck in the lottery just as much as Cleveland has. Look at the history with them especially 92-93.

ottograham14
05-21-2014, 08:27 AM
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http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/977/d7f/f18/resized/manziel-haters-meme-generator-haters-gonna-hate-b6de93.jpg

warfelg
05-21-2014, 08:49 AM
Here's the thing with it:

When Cleveland got #1 in 2011, it wasn't even their own. I was the LAC from the Baron Davis trade. So that Clippers pick ended up at number 1 with a 2.8% chance. The Cavs had a 19.9% chance at number one but got leapfrogged by LAC (which they owned) and the Nets. The LAC pick jumped 7 spots that year.

2012 they didn't get the first so skip that.

In 2013 they had a 15.6% chance at number one, and jumped two spots. So not outrageous that they jumped. I can handle that one.

This year. A 1.7% chance. Jumped 8 spots. And what makes it unusual, like the 2011 pick, is typically the team making a jump that high ends up at three.

In their 3 number one picks had a .67% chance of happening. Worse yet the #2 in 2011 and 2014 had a .225% chance of happening. It's all fishy. Based on the odds of there they ended this is almost a statistical impossibility. In fact with the percents that low most statisticians would likely say that this outcome is impossible without an outside influence.

I think here's where they have to go to fix this:
If you had a #1 the previous year you can pick no higher than #4. If a team "jumps" into the top 4 (where if should be for a line), then the odds of each pick are recalculated, making it harder for that team to make the top 3. Then the ping pong balls are re-drawn to determine the order of the top 4.

That way there is still a chance, tanking isn't rewarded, but it makes it harder for those teams to jump to a higher position. And the limit on the pick based on previous years pick would dispel any idea of a "double tank" and eliminate the chance of a team doing something like this again.

My whooooole problem with this is the improbability of the Cavs picking 1&4, 4, 1, 1 in 4 years. I don't think this has ever happened in ANY sport. Even ones without a lottery have parity at the top (or bottom). And the thing is this isn't an isolated "world against Cleveland" thing. This is just another notch in the possible rigging column that people will argue. Just too much has fallen "just right" to teams that make it a big story.

eagles715
05-21-2014, 09:01 AM
They didn't deserve the pick for tanking from day one

You mean when they started 3-0? Beating 3 playoff teams? They were tanking since day 1 though. You're right. Oh and if it was such an "epic" tank as some are saying wouldn't they have had the worst record in the league? Clown shoes.

STRIKERC
05-21-2014, 09:15 AM
You mean when they started 3-0? Beating 3 playoff teams? They were tanking since day 1 though. You're right. Oh and if it was such an "epic" tank as some are saying wouldn't they have had the worst record in the league? Clown shoes.
I seriously don't get some of these people. We're getting the 3rd pick in a draft that has so many good prospects but not a clear cut favorite. I think we Sixer's fans are sitting pretty good. As i've said on this thread i for one i'm glad we didn't get the first.

warfelg
05-21-2014, 09:17 AM
And yet teams still try tanking. Blame it on teams tanking if you don't like the system. Owners and GM's of teams like the 76'ers, Bucks have no one else to blame but themselves.

People really need to learn what tanking is. And two the Bucks didn't tank. They had a team that many thought could sneak into the 8 spot if things went right. But things went horribly horribly wrong, and that's not a tank job.

No, tanking is the Spurs in the 96-97 season holding out David Robinson, at a time when many thought he could play, because they saw their team was bad and they had a chance at another super star.

Tanking is when the Celtics held out Pierce from games in 06-07 (only played in 46), and playing bench guys for large minutes in big spots, to try to get #1 for Durant.


On the other hand Hinkie in Philly saw there are only 2 ways to build a team. 1 be lucky enough to have the cap to sign the rare FA that is a Star. Or 2, be bad enough that you can be in position to draft an impact player. It's not like they sat out an all-star to make this happen. They just decided to move in a direction that best suits the team.

ottograham14
05-21-2014, 09:18 AM
You mean when they started 3-0? Beating 3 playoff teams? They were tanking since day 1 though. You're right. Oh and if it was such an "epic" tank as some are saying wouldn't they have had the worst record in the league? Clown shoes.

Not to mention they went 17-16 their last 33 after firing GM Chris Grant. Only the Suns had a better record in that span of any team in the lottery. Seems like they were really trying to tank in the 2nd half there lol.

Haters Gonna Hate though.

ottograham14
05-21-2014, 09:23 AM
People really need to learn what tanking is. And two the Bucks didn't tank. They had a team that many thought could sneak into the 8 spot if things went right. But things went horribly horribly wrong, and that's not a tank job.

No, tanking is the Spurs in the 96-97 season holding out David Robinson, at a time when many thought he could play, because they saw their team was bad and they had a chance at another super star.

Tanking is when the Celtics held out Pierce from games in 06-07 (only played in 46), and playing bench guys for large minutes in big spots, to try to get #1 for Durant.


On the other hand Hinkie in Philly saw there are only 2 ways to build a team. 1 be lucky enough to have the cap to sign the rare FA that is a Star. Or 2, be bad enough that you can be in position to draft an impact player. It's not like they sat out an all-star to make this happen. They just decided to move in a direction that best suits the team.

My bad, I did lump the Bucks in with Philly there. If you don't think Philly wasn't tanking then thats on you and you can say it wasn't tanking but they moved every piece they had outside of Young and their rookies for 2nd round draft picks by basically fielding a D-League team for the 2nd half of the season outside of Young and MCW. Not to mention moving Jrue Holiday (an All-Star last year) for future help instead of immediate help. I see ur a Philly fan though so I understand why you would believe they weren't trying to tank. There is no actual evidence of it as well besides trying to put two and two together and both of us having differing opinions so agree to disagree in the end.

Milwaulkee just gave out awful contracts to the likes of Mayo, Sanders, ZaZa and Ilyasova where not one of those guys hit forcing them to be dreadful this year.

warfelg
05-21-2014, 09:24 AM
I seriously don't get some of these people. We're getting the 3rd pick in a draft that has so many good prospects but not a clear cut favorite. I think we Sixer's fans are sitting pretty good. As i've said on this thread i for one i'm glad we didn't get the first.

Here's why 90% of us Philly fans are relieved:
It takes the argument out of our hands. We no longer have to argue Wiggins v Parker. Now you just sit back and say yay! to whoever ends up at three.

**** that's not what I want. I don't want to end up with the guy that a team that can't make a pick and the Bucks say they don't want. Really, I wanted to be at #1 and have the choice to make.

BTW, I said it before, and I'l say it again. Dr. J looked like he knew something was up. Right before they started to pick you can see the GM of the Cavs grinning, the Bucks woman looking mad and Dr. J rolling his eyes. You knew it then that the Cavs had #1. Knew it.

warfelg
05-21-2014, 09:30 AM
My bad, I did lump the Bucks in with Philly there. If you don't think Philly wasn't taking then thats on you and you can say it wasn't taking but they moved every piece they had outside of Young and their rookies for 2nd round draft picks by basically fielding a D-League team for the 2nd half of the season outside of Young and MCW. Not to mention moving Jrue Holiday (an All-Star last year) for future help.

Milwaulkee just gave out awful contracts to the likes of Mayo, Sanders, ZaZa and Ilyasova where not one of those guys hit forcing them to be dreadful this year.

So moving 2 guys who clearly had no future with this team for the most he could get is tanking?

So if we kept ET and Hawes and still ended up here you would say we didn't tank. Come on, **** off with that thinking. It was good GMing to sit there and shop around two guys that you know won't be there and get the most you could. Neither cracked the starting lineup of where they ended up so why should they have gotten us more than a 2nd. He'll the fact he was able to unload Turner at all should have gotten him GM of the year.

And the Jrue thing.....he was lucky to be an All-Star last year. Did it hurt trading him....sure. But he's making $11 mil a season and basically was at what he is as a player. That move helped our future cap from being locked with average talent and brought in a player that fits what the GM wants in the team. Analytically Jrue isn't that great.

ottograham14
05-21-2014, 09:37 AM
So moving 2 guys who clearly had no future with this team for the most he could get is tanking?

So if we kept ET and Hawes and still ended up here you would say we didn't tank. Come on, **** off with that thinking. It was good GMing to sit there and shop around two guys that you know won't be there and get the most you could. Neither cracked the starting lineup of where they ended up so why should they have gotten us more than a 2nd. He'll the fact he was able to unload Turner at all should have gotten him GM of the year.

And the Jrue thing.....he was lucky to be an All-Star last year. Did it hurt trading him....sure. But he's making $11 mil a season and basically was at what he is as a player. That move helped our future cap from being locked with average talent and brought in a player that fits what the GM wants in the team. Analytically Jrue isn't that great.

Philly had 22 players on their team last year. Only 9 had more than two years of experience. They weren't going out of their way to improve their team last year and it was evident in many facets.

The team has the right to build their team anyway they want and see fit and it seems that Hinkie from the 2013 draft knew they were going nowhere in the actual season so he started the rebuild quickly where he knew the Sixers were only going to build a winning team through the draft since no top notch FA wants to come to Philly at that time or this time. That was actually said by Brown too.

They cleared the decks to lose last season because they knew that was the only way they were going to ever build and actual competetive team. Good for them for having a plan and attacking it. So you can say it wasn't tanking but they certainly weren't trying to win in the 2nd half of the season. We'll see if their lost 2013-2014 season can turn into something good for them.

They have 3 & 10. Looks like they should get some help for MCW and Noel to continue to develop.

Either way Cavs have the #1 pick.

warfelg
05-21-2014, 09:39 AM
LOL you just made my point for me. Philly didn't tank. It's a conceded smart rebuild.

Tanking is when you could be a good team but you withhold a star player.

ottograham14
05-21-2014, 09:43 AM
LOL you just made my point for me. Philly didn't tank. It's a conceded smart rebuild.

Tanking is when you could be a good team but you withhold a star player.

So thats the definition of tanking? Really.


"Tanking," as we are to understand it, is a team's intent to do less than everything it can to win. It is a concerted effort over several months (and perhaps several seasons) by a team to deliberately not be as good as it could be. It is considered cheap, disingenuous and dishonest, the byproduct of a flawed system where a team can be rewarded for being bad and where deliberately losing is thereby a strategic decision.

Now "tanking" could be many definitions especially when you are trying to make it the basis of ur argument but stating it is only when a good team withholds a star player is just asinine.

warfelg
05-21-2014, 09:48 AM
So thats the definition of tanking? Really.



Now "tanking" could be many definitions especially when you are trying to make it the basis of ur argument but stating it is only when a good team withholds a star player is just asinine.

That's my definition of tanking. Always has been.

Like I said what the Celtics did the Durant year and the Spurs did the Duncan year to me is way different than what the Sixers did.

I mean if a team isn't winning then can't you say every team missing the playoffs tanked? I mean sometimes teams are just bad. And to get better they have to be bad.

mightybosstone
05-21-2014, 10:13 AM
Why does Philly or Milwaulkee deserve it more? Because they threw away a season and tried tanking to get a top pick? Orlando I'll give you but they have quite the luck in the lottery just as much as Cleveland has. Look at the history with them especially 92-93.

Frankly, pretty much anyone was more deserving of the No. 1 pick than Cleveland. You're talking about a team that has had two of the top No. 1 picks in the last three years and was gift wrapped the greatest player the league has seen since Michael Jordan a decade ago.

In terms of Philly and Milwaukee, I don't think it's necessarily fair to say the Bucks were "tanking" this season. Prior to the start of the season many people (myself included) thought that team was solid enough on paper to fight for a playoff spot in the East. They locked down Larry Sanders, added an OJ Mayo who seemed like a better player after his time in Dallas and had some good young pieces on the roster. But Sanders and Mayo both turned out to be train wrecks, Ilyasova has underachieved for years now and the young guys weren't ready. Plus, it's Milwaukee. When was the last time they had a top 3 pick? And who the hell else would want to go there otherwise?

For Philly, I'll admit their tanking was pretty shameful late in the year, but isn't this kind of what we all expected? They were going nowhere fast prior to this last offseason and made the smart move by getting rid of every decent player on the roster aside from Thad, Turner and Hawes. Also, they knew their young stud in Noel was going to miss most of the season anyway. And it's not like those young guys didn't try, but there was so little talent on that team and management put that steaming pile of crap together for a reason: to get a top pick. Not only do I not blame Philly. I applaud them. This is a team that has been mediocre for a long time, had enough of it and finally take a step backward in order to take two steps forward. More mediocre franchises should do the same.

Tony_Starks
05-21-2014, 10:20 AM
Philly tanked in spectacular fashion and the Bucks just flat out sucked. Sanders really screwed their season up, they were actually trying to win. Neither gets rewarded with #1 pick so that's that.

I'm actually happy Cleveland got it. Kyrie is going to be a Laker pretty soon anyway so they might as well get a little consolation prize......

TheIlladelph16
05-21-2014, 10:20 AM
Here's the thing with it:

When Cleveland got #1 in 2011, it wasn't even their own. I was the LAC from the Baron Davis trade. So that Clippers pick ended up at number 1 with a 2.8% chance. The Cavs had a 19.9% chance at number one but got leapfrogged by LAC (which they owned) and the Nets. The LAC pick jumped 7 spots that year.

Someone can feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but the Clippers pick ended up being the fourth pick that year not the #1. I thought the same thing until recently, but I remember looking it up.

mightybosstone
05-21-2014, 10:28 AM
Philly tanked in spectacular fashion and the Bucks just flat out sucked. Sanders really screwed their season up, they were actually trying to win. Neither gets rewarded with #1 pick so that's that.
I don't think you can criticize either team too much for how they handled their season. Philly did what Philly had to do and, as you pointed out, Milwaukee was just really unfortunate. Fortunately both teams are going to get top 3 picks, so they both shouldn't be in the cellar dweller for long if they play their cards right in a draft this talented.


I'm actually happy Cleveland got it. Kyrie is going to be a Laker pretty soon anyway so they might as well get a little consolation prize......
:eyebrow: C'mon man. Not to point out you specifically, but I feel like I've seen Lakers fans around here lately suggest that every top 25 guy who will be a free agent in the next couple of years is going to LA. If PSD's Lakers fans were right, the Lakers will have Irving, Melo, Lebron and Love all in their starting roster in a couple of years.

I'm not saying Irving won't seriously consider LA or that's not a possible outcome, but the irrational confidence of Lakers fans to get every superstar in free agency is a little over the top.

NoahH
05-21-2014, 10:34 AM
It wasn't rigged because if it was the NBA wouldve helped out Boston and LA more, their two storied franchises.

mightybosstone
05-21-2014, 10:34 AM
In hindsight, there's one thing I haven't seen mentioned yet that I think will be very good for the league regarding this draft. The top four picks all went to Eastern Conference teams, a conference which is in desperate need of some infusion of talent. Anyone on this forum right now could name their top 25 players in the league, and I'm willing to bet that more than 60% of the athletes on that list are in the Western Conference. With a draft this stacked and with four out of the top five picks, the East should get a lot better in the next couple of years.

Also, the fact that the Cavs, Magic and Sixers already have some solid young talent on their rosters means we could see some teams become the East's version of the Thunder, Warriors or Rockets. With so many stacked young teams in the West, they're going to need somebody to challenge them in the Eastern Conference over the next 10 years aside from Miami and Indiana.

ottograham14
05-21-2014, 10:42 AM
Someone can feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but the Clippers pick ended up being the fourth pick that year not the #1. I thought the same thing until recently, but I remember looking it up.

It was the Clippers pick. Cleveland had to deal with Baron Davis' contract for the unprotected pick that ended up with them getting the #1 pick. They had the best odds that year to get the #1 pick but they actually feel to #4 with their own since LA moved up.

ottograham14
05-21-2014, 10:44 AM
I don't think you can criticize either team too much for how they handled their season. Philly did what Philly had to do and, as you pointed out, Milwaukee was just really unfortunate. Fortunately both teams are going to get top 3 picks, so they both shouldn't be in the cellar dweller for long if they play their cards right in a draft this talented.


:eyebrow: C'mon man. Not to point out you specifically, but I feel like I've seen Lakers fans around here lately suggest that every top 25 guy who will be a free agent in the next couple of years is going to LA. If PSD's Lakers fans were right, the Lakers will have Irving, Melo, Lebron and Love all in their starting roster in a couple of years.

I'm not saying Irving won't seriously consider LA or that's not a possible outcome, but the irrational confidence of Lakers fans to get every superstar in free agency is a little over the top.

I hope you never end up in a Tennessee football forum where they believe every recruit is theirs even if they never mentioned or visited UT.

*Superman*
05-21-2014, 10:57 AM
It wasn't rigged because if it was the NBA wouldve helped out Boston and LA more, their two storied franchises.

Free agents will flock to LA regardless, not like it matters much to them.

TrAv=MaGiCfReAk
05-21-2014, 11:03 AM
Tanking has a negative connotation to it, which is why I'm hesitant to give it that label, but yes that is what it was. It was the only way the team was going to properly rebuild, so I'm not sure what fans b*tching about it would have suggested. We've been stuck in mediocrity since before AI left the team and everyone was tired of it.

It's not as if they players were intentionally losing games either. There was just a lack of talent after Iggy was traded.

Exactly tanking isn't something to be ashamed of haha in a rebuild its what you expect ... us magic fans.were tank cheering all year lol its the only way a small market team like us to.get better.

Its just stupid to deny the 76ers were tanking lol it was the most obvious tank job I've seen and that's OK

king4day
05-21-2014, 11:04 AM
Not sure if this was posted but here's the lottery drawing itself (proving once again, it's not rigged):

http://www.nba.com/video/channels/draft/2014/05/20/052014-draft-lottery-behind-the-scenes.nba/index.html

todu82
05-21-2014, 11:06 AM
Congrats to Cleveland but time to introduce a system where the same team isn't getting 1st overall draft picks year after year.

*Superman*
05-21-2014, 11:21 AM
Not sure if this was posted but here's the lottery drawing itself (proving once again, it's not rigged):

http://www.nba.com/video/channels/draft/2014/05/20/052014-draft-lottery-behind-the-scenes.nba/index.html

Maybe not, but it's still the most BS luck a team can possibly have. 17 combinations and they win it all.

MiamiBoy77
05-21-2014, 11:28 AM
Not sure if this was posted but here's the lottery drawing itself (proving once again, it's not rigged):

http://www.nba.com/video/channels/draft/2014/05/20/052014-draft-lottery-behind-the-scenes.nba/index.html

can someone explain exactly how this works?

*Superman*
05-21-2014, 11:43 AM
can someone explain exactly how this works?

It just shoots up random ping pongs and whose ever combination it is gets the pick.

bucketss
05-21-2014, 11:55 AM
kind of happy cavs got it - because of their incompetence i can see wiggins leaving them for Toronto when his contract is up :D

Arch Stanton
05-21-2014, 12:12 PM
kind of happy cavs got it - because of their incompetence i can see wiggins leaving them for Toronto when his contract is up :D

Okay if you can wait 7 years!

sammyvine
05-21-2014, 12:14 PM
If your the cavs who do you take?
Its actually a really tough choice
You dont wanna do what the pistons did in 03 taking darko over melo,wade and bosh all,hall of famers

You also dont want another 07 situation as in embiid's back gives way and parker ends up being a superstar like durant.

WITZ
05-21-2014, 12:26 PM
If your the cavs who do you take?
Its actually a really tough choice
You dont wanna do what the pistons did in 03 taking darko over melo,wade and bosh all,hall of famers

You also dont want another 07 situation as in embiid's back gives way and parker ends up being a superstar like durant.

We have seen the impact Drummond has had on the game and imo Embid is better than him on both sides of the ball. If his back checks out is hard to pass on 7 footers with his talent ,but its gonna be hard to mess this pick up unless they pick someone outside of Wiggins,Parker, or Embiid :laugh2:

Arch Stanton
05-21-2014, 12:33 PM
We have seen the impact Drummond has had on the game and imo Embid is better than him on both sides of the ball. If his back checks out is hard to pass on 7 footers with his talent ,but its gonna be hard to mess this pick up unless they pick someone outside of Wiggins,Parker, or Embiid :laugh2:

Love the sig! Can't wait to watch Simmons troll the Cavs during the draft...

murphturph
05-21-2014, 12:39 PM
The amount of Canadian talent on the Cavs roster is insaine!

Irving
Waiters
Wiggins
Bennet
Thompson

2-ONE-5
05-21-2014, 12:43 PM
except they dont have Wiggins, Bennet and Waiters stink, and Thompson is an under-achiever and Irving was born in Australlia

sammyvine
05-21-2014, 12:47 PM
We have seen the impact Drummond has had on the game and imo Embid is better than him on both sides of the ball. If his back checks out is hard to pass on 7 footers with his talent ,but its gonna be hard to mess this pick up unless they pick someone outside of Wiggins,Parker, or Embiid :laugh2:

True i would take embiid as well
The cavs have scorers but lack a big man.

WITZ
05-21-2014, 12:49 PM
Love the sig! Can't wait to watch Simmons troll the Cavs during the draft...

:cheers: Thanks . Saw it and thought it was hilarious.

krazylegz
05-21-2014, 01:02 PM
stoked!!

Giannis94
05-21-2014, 05:52 PM
The amount of Canadian talent on the Cavs roster is insaine!

Irving
Waiters
Wiggins
Bennet
Thompson

Which is exactly why they suck and will continue to suck. "Murica.

east fb knicks
05-21-2014, 06:11 PM
the cavs should take parker or embied idk if wiggins and irving would be a good fit