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RocketsWin2013
05-19-2014, 01:53 PM
Judging by AGE, WS, and PER:


For single seasons; played in the NBA/BAA; in the regular season; from 1959-60 to 2013-14; age 24 or younger; qualified for Points Per Game Leaderboard; requiring Win Shares Per 48 Minutes >= .200 and Player Efficiency Rating >= 20 and Minutes Per Game >= 30; sorted by most seasons matching criteria.

So basically, the most seasons playing at an ALL-NBA level for young players ever. LeBron may be the greatest young players ever.
The wrap goes from most WS to least.


Rk Player From To Tm Lg Count
1 LeBron James 2005 2009 CLE NBA 5
2 Tim Duncan 1999 2001 SAS NBA 3
3 Kevin Durant 2010 2013 OKC NBA 3
4 James Harden 2012 2014 TOT NBA 3
5 Marques Johnson 1979 1981 MIL NBA 3
6 Michael Jordan* 1985 1988 CHI NBA 3
7 Dirk Nowitzki 2001 2003 DAL NBA 3
8 Oscar Robertson* 1961 1963 CIN NBA 3
9 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 1971 1972 MIL NBA 2
10 Charles Barkley* 1987 1988 PHI NBA 2
Player who just missed: Walt Bellamy from 1962 to 1964.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=total&type=per_game&per_minute_base=36&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=N&year_min=1960&year_max=2014&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=24&height_min=0&height_max=99&shoot_hand=&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&is_active=&is_hof=&is_as=&as_comp=gt&as_val=&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&qual=pts_per_g_req&c1stat=ws_per_48&c1comp=gt&c1val=.200&c2stat=per&c2comp=gt&c2val=20&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=mp_per_g&c4comp=gt&c4val=30&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=ws_per_48



Judging by seasons played:

Rk Player From To Tm Lg Count
1 Wilt Chamberlain* 1960 1964 TOT NBA 5
2 Oscar Robertson* 1961 1965 CIN NBA 5
3 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 1971 1974 MIL NBA 4
4 Tim Duncan 1999 2002 SAS NBA 4
5 LeBron James 2005 2008 CLE NBA 4
6 Michael Jordan* 1985 1989 CHI NBA 4
7 David Robinson* 1990 1994 SAS NBA 4
8 Charles Barkley* 1987 1989 PHI NBA 3
9 Larry Bird* 1982 1984 BOS NBA 3
10 Walt Frazier* 1969 1972 NYK NBA 3
Player who just missed: James Harden from 2012-2014
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=total&type=per_game&per_minute_base=36&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=N&year_min=1960&year_max=2014&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=5&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=0&height_max=99&shoot_hand=&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&is_active=&is_hof=&is_as=&as_comp=gt&as_val=&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&qual=pts_per_g_req&c1stat=ws_per_48&c1comp=gt&c1val=.200&c2stat=per&c2comp=gt&c2val=20&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=mp_per_g&c4comp=gt&c4val=30&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=ws_per_48

Anthony Davis should be on this very soon. Possibly #1. Though I doubt anybody can top LeBron's crazy production :speechless: And I'm surprised Griffin,Curry or Westrook aren't there.

tredigs
05-19-2014, 02:13 PM
PER + WS/48 is not a end all argument, and we're not exactly on an even playing field here. Lebron had 6 healthy seasons where he could potentially qualify on your first list, MJ and KAJ had 3, Wilt 2, David Robinson 1, etc. And in the 2nd list by adding "qualified for points per game leaderboard" (what does that even mean... top 10?), we're leaving out guys like Magic, KG, etc. But yes, Lebron was a very good young player.

mngopher35
05-19-2014, 02:18 PM
I hope there wasn't a main point to this. We all knew those players were great and this doesn't tell us a whole lot.

RocketsWin2013
05-19-2014, 02:21 PM
PER + WS/48 is not a end all argument, and we're not exactly on an even playing field here. Lebron had 6 healthy seasons where he could potentially qualify on your first list, MJ and KAJ had 3, Wilt 2, David Robinson 1, etc. And in the 2nd list by adding "qualified for points per game leaderboard" (what does that even mean... top 10?), we're leaving out guys like Magic, KG, etc. But yes, Lebron was a very good young player.

The leader board thing is a filter for players who may have played 20 games in several seasons. If I take that off it would be like saying Al Horford had a great year this year. Which, he may have while he played but he missed a ton of time. That's huge.

And staying healthy is an attribute. It's what can separate a Yao Ming or Sabonis to a Shaq. It matters. And I'm pretty sure I separated the lists from age and seasons played. Even playing field.

RocketsWin2013
05-19-2014, 02:23 PM
I hope there wasn't a main point to this. We all knew those players were great and this doesn't tell us a whole lot.

Idk. Take from it what you may.:shrug: