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-Lavigne43-
05-17-2014, 05:32 PM
@alexspeier 1h
Farrell says Middlebrooks fracture is non displaced. 5-7 days in splint then re-evaluated. Timetable TBD.

Time to start seriously considering Drew. 3b is a black hole again this year.

RedSoxtober
05-17-2014, 05:55 PM
I know that this is more of a freak thing but how long before we consider WMB injury prone? He's not played more than 48 games in MLB without going on the DL.

bagwell368
05-17-2014, 07:55 PM
I know that this is more of a freak thing but how long before we consider WMB injury prone? He's not played more than 48 games in MLB without going on the DL.

Some of us were talking Drew and a RHH CF pre-season, that would be better than where we are now. I realize that JBJ isn't that much worse against LHP this year, but having a smaller role overall might be making it easier on him.

todu82
05-18-2014, 11:28 AM
Really to bad to hear. Time for us, though, to get a better option in at 3rd base.

Nomar
05-18-2014, 12:42 PM
I know that this is more of a freak thing but how long before we consider WMB injury prone? He's not played more than 48 games in MLB without going on the DL.

That hand injuries don't really prove that though.

bagwell368
05-18-2014, 05:06 PM
The thing is, since nobody is going to sign Drew until the draft, signing him doesn't lose us a pick that we won't get anyway.

The real issue is the DB agent (trying to soak us for missed wages by increasing the contract size), and Drew's own state of mind. Don't want him if he's got a chip on his shoulder vs Red Sox. If we get him I want the option to deal him at the time that suits us - since the deal will be at least two years if not three.

Obviously that moves XB to 3B, where the fielding pressure/expectations will be a bit lower (as are the number of plays he'd be involved in). That's a win.

The other move is GC - but his D is not ready for prime time. GC and XB on the left side is asking for trouble - and shattered confidence.

As for CF? We have nobody that can play it except JBJ and SV (and he'll play it much worse than he plays RF). Sizemore is a LF only. Nava (if he's here) is no CF, although he does OK in RF most of the time. Getting a RHH now is going to cost an arm or two depending on how good. If they think JBJ is just a 4th OF in the future it might be time to pull the Kemp option out of the hat.

If we're still struggling with this 3 game under .500 stuff at the deadline, might be time to deal some guys off and reboot for next year.

-Lavigne43-
05-18-2014, 06:47 PM
Rather than question if he injury prone, the real question should be if he can ever be just an adequate major league player. He's going to be 26 in September and hes shown nothing since his fluke hot start, that was really a babip fueled couple months before he regressed that season. So how long are we going to keep playing him, waiting for him to just become a decent contributor? We have to be at the bottom of 3b production the last 3 seasons.

Rob Bradford ‏@bradfo 18m
Per source Red Sox are exploring multiple options (trades/other) regarding left side of infield

Perhaps his time is coming to an end.

bagwell368
05-18-2014, 09:06 PM
Rather than question if he injury prone, the real question should be if he can ever be just an adequate major league player. He's going to be 26 in September and hes shown nothing since his fluke hot start, that was really a babip fueled couple months before he regressed that season. So how long are we going to keep playing him, waiting for him to just become a decent contributor? We have to be at the bottom of 3b production the last 3 seasons.

Rob Bradford ‏@bradfo 18m
Per source Red Sox are exploring multiple options (trades/other) regarding left side of infield

Perhaps his time is coming to an end.

Maybe, but not until he's off the DL... we can also call it the curse of the Dell...

RedSoxtober
05-19-2014, 09:14 AM
That hand injuries don't really prove that though.
The hand injury proves nothing (hence the way I started the question) but it does remind me of how often the kid has been on the DL.


Rather than question if he injury prone, the real question should be if he can ever be just an adequate major league player. He's going to be 26 in September and hes shown nothing since his fluke hot start, that was really a babip fueled couple months before he regressed that season. So how long are we going to keep playing him, waiting for him to just become a decent contributor? We have to be at the bottom of 3b production the last 3 seasons.
I agree about his potential at 3B. If there is good news in the injury it's that he usually returns to the roster hot for a week to ten days. Unfortunately that tends to buoy those who think he's going to be a power hitting 3B... someday. At this point I REALLY wish we'd dealt him to MIA in the offseason and signed Drew.


Rob Bradford ‏@bradfo 18m
Per source Red Sox are exploring multiple options (trades/other) regarding left side of infield

Perhaps his time is coming to an end.
Maybe, but they signed Ryan Roberts the last time he hit the DL so I wouldn't get too jacked up about the rumors. I suspect that it's little more than organizational depth.

ciaban
05-19-2014, 10:24 AM
@alexspeier 1h
Farrell says Middlebrooks fracture is non displaced. 5-7 days in splint then re-evaluated. Timetable TBD.

Time to start seriously considering Drew. 3b is a black hole again this year.

This is the one team that wont loose a pick for him too, they can get a head start on negotiations.

ciaban
05-19-2014, 10:26 AM
While Chase Headly is off to a slow start, he has proven to be a pretty good hitter on the road, plus he has an exceptional glove too. I don't think he will cost a whole lot either.

MiamiBoy77
05-19-2014, 11:21 AM
While Chase Headly is off to a slow start, he has proven to be a pretty good hitter on the road, plus he has an exceptional glove too. I don't think he will cost a whole lot either.

this would be awesome

bagwell368
05-19-2014, 12:04 PM
this would be awesome

Headley is off to a slow start in all of 2013 compared to 2012. He's off to a slow start in in 2014 compared to 2013.

His xBH% is dropping over the last 3 years, his away hitting stats this year are very poor, and his home ones are just OK.

The Sox are in a position of need for the moment - with WMB, XB, and GC lurking as potential long term fits within a calendar year, and in case of signing Drew - XB the day Drew reports. Just cash needed for Drew.

Unless they are OK with two specs outside the top 25, I wouldn't do it.

ciaban
05-19-2014, 12:47 PM
Headley is off to a slow start in all of 2013 compared to 2012. He's off to a slow start in in 2014 compared to 2013.

His xBH% is dropping over the last 3 years, his away hitting stats this year are very poor, and his home ones are just OK.

The Sox are in a position of need for the moment - with WMB, XB, and GC lurking as potential long term fits within a calendar year, and in case of signing Drew - XB the day Drew reports. Just cash needed for Drew.

Unless they are OK with two specs outside the top 25, I wouldn't do it.

I was only suggesting an alternative to drew, I think he best fits the RSox needs, but that they should get on this before June.

bagwell368
05-19-2014, 01:39 PM
I was only suggesting an alternative to drew, I think he best fits the RSox needs, but that they should get on this before June.

It's an alternative, just trying to place it. Drew is going to get a two year deal probably, and cost some pretty big cash. Headley is just this year and much less money, but specs.

Given the Sox have specs and money - they key is in the length of the deal more than anything. Let's see what they do.

RedSoxtober
05-19-2014, 01:53 PM
But listen to the words of Red Sox general manager Ben Cherington on The Bradfo Show podcast and you will be afforded some insight on how the thinking might be taking a turn.

“I think what I’ve said before I would say again, we have to evaluate every situation based on the information we have at that time," Cherington said. "If information changes, then our position may evolve and change along with it. That doesn’t mean we get every decision right; of course we don’t. But every decision we make, every position we take, is based on the information we have at that time. That’s led us to where we are now.

“Right now we know we’re right in the middle of this division. We know there are a lot of strengths on the team. We have a lot of depth, even before the 25-man roster, that we might be able to count on maybe later in the year. We know we have position players that are going to hit more because that’s what they’ve always done. And we know we’ve got an area on the left side of the infield where we’re missing a player, and where we haven’t gotten the total performance that we would like to get at this point in the year. I think what all that means is that we’ll continue to look at the information we have in front of us at the time and try to make decisions accordingly. There is always an interest in improving. The default position is always, let’s see how much we can get internally first, and then consider external alternatives after that."weei.com

ciaban
05-19-2014, 05:16 PM
It's an alternative, just trying to place it. Drew is going to get a two year deal probably, and cost some pretty big cash. Headley is just this year and much less money, but specs.

Given the Sox have specs and money - they key is in the length of the deal more than anything. Let's see what they do.
I don't think Drew will want more than 1 year, I think he and Boras are eying free agency, because there won't be any pick attached.

redsox96
05-19-2014, 08:27 PM
Maybe, but not until he's off the DL... we can also call it the curse of the Dell...

Nah bro. Curse of RemDawg. Last year during that game that he hit 3 homeruns in Toronto, someone threw a paper airplane onto the field. Remy was talking and said nobody pick that up, its a curse. WMB picked it up and put it in his back pocket. After that game I remember he went on a hitless streak for awhile.

RedSoxtober
05-19-2014, 10:53 PM
I don't think Drew will want more than 1 year, I think he and Boras are eying free agency, because there won't be any pick attached.

If he signs with the Red Sox, or signs after the draft, then there won't be any pick attached.

bagwell368
05-20-2014, 06:43 AM
Nah bro. Curse of RemDawg. Last year during that game that he hit 3 homeruns in Toronto, someone threw a paper airplane onto the field. Remy was talking and said nobody pick that up, its a curse. WMB picked it up and put it in his back pocket. After that game I remember he went on a hitless streak for awhile.

The only curse of WMB is the one when he's facing poor pitchers, or good pitchers having a bad day he appears to be a good and powerful hitter. Sadly in all other cases he looks like the low BA, low OBP, slump prone player he really is.

RedSoxtober
05-20-2014, 09:49 AM
While discussing the across-the-board failure of the Sox offense the Boston Herald has this:


If anything, Cherington expressed disappointment in Middlebrooks’ lack of improvement — “We felt that Will, having had close to a full season’s worth of plate appearances (since 2012), was maybe starting to move past the break-in period and starting to normalize a little bit,” he said — and now that the 25-year-old is sidelined indefinitely by a fractured right index finger, the Sox are making inquiries with other teams in an attempt to bolster the left side of the infield.

But Cherington also said they aren’t compelled to move Bogaerts to third base, which seemingly would eliminate another run at free agent Stephen Drew or any other shortstop. In general, the Sox are inclined to wait for the veterans to come around rather than pulling the plug on the kids.

RedSoxtober
06-10-2014, 09:16 AM
Middlebrooks has experienced better range of motion in his fractured right index finger to the point where he has been able to resume swinging a bat. But he’s still feeling discomfort when he throws a ball because his finger bends backward.Boston Herald

RedSoxtober
06-18-2014, 08:38 AM
Third baseman Will Middlebrooks was in the Pawtucket lineup last night, too. Farrell said Middlebrooks will see some time in the outfield, but it does not sound imminent or all that pressing.

“The one thing we want to be clear on in all this, this isn’t a long-term position change,” said Farrell. “It’s just a matter of taking a look at some flexibility.”Boston Herald

Is this hoping that he'll become that power hitter in the corner OF? All the positional flexibility in the world isn't going to help his bat. He will, as he has in the past, come back from the DL on fire for 2-3 weeks and then settle back down to his .225ish line.