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leprechaun5
05-14-2014, 08:15 PM
David Aldridge ‏@daldridgetnt 1m
Stunner: Steve Kerr spurns the Knicks, accepts Warriors' head coach job. Story coming on http://NBA.com .

lpdunks8
05-14-2014, 08:15 PM
David Aldridge ‏@daldridgetnt 1m

Stunner: Steve Kerr spurns the Knicks, accepts Warriors' head coach job. Story coming on http://NBA.com .

JEDean89
05-14-2014, 08:16 PM
woah! wonder what the warriors had to give him to make him spurn the zen master

P&GRealist
05-14-2014, 08:17 PM
This was despite the Knicks offering that 4th option fully guaranteed, according to Wojnarowski.

J4KOP99
05-14-2014, 08:18 PM
How on earth was there this much interest in Steve kerr?

JEDean89
05-14-2014, 08:18 PM
i guess the location mattered in the end, didn't want to move across the country from his daughters. phil may just have to do the deed himself. Kerr and Shaw are both snatched up right as he needs them most.

Shammyguy3
05-14-2014, 08:19 PM
awesome :laugh2: no idea what NYK's gonna do now

Mr. Baller
05-14-2014, 08:19 PM
:laugh: :laugh:

JEDean89
05-14-2014, 08:20 PM
^^^ because he became very public that phil wanted him.

Stunner
05-14-2014, 08:20 PM
Lol #Knickstape

king4day
05-14-2014, 08:20 PM
Wow that's a massive overpay for an unproven coach. 5 years 25mil? lol

There are deserving vets making less than that

b_russ
05-14-2014, 08:20 PM
Feels right to me. Now he doesn't have to endure the constant magnifying glass of NYC and feel pressure to run the triangle offense. Time will tell if he's any good as a coach. He does have a talented roster.

Ezio
05-14-2014, 08:21 PM
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 1m
Steve Kerr has agreed to a 5 year, approximately $25 million deal with Golden State, source tells Yahoo.

Greet
05-14-2014, 08:21 PM
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 1m
Steve Kerr has agreed to a 5 year, approximately $25 million deal with Golden State, source tells Yahoo.

ohreally
05-14-2014, 08:21 PM
Smart on Kerr's part, for numerous reasons. He can start his coaching carer on his own terms, he has a great team, and his family is intact. Not to mention avoiding the media in New York.

So what does Phil do? Rambis?

P&GRealist
05-14-2014, 08:21 PM
It was his loyalty to Phil and going for a rebuilding gig with no guarantee of Melo as opposed to being close to his kids and coaching a contender.


Wonder who's the next Knicks candidate?

Hardaway Here
05-14-2014, 08:22 PM
That was not expected lol

J4KOP99
05-14-2014, 08:22 PM
Kerr is a California guy and has a much, much better roster is golden state. Smart move if it was between gsw and the Knicks.

P&GRealist
05-14-2014, 08:23 PM
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 3m
Steve Kerr has agreed to a 5 year, approximately $25 million deal with Golden State, source tells Yahoo.

23dragonzord
05-14-2014, 08:23 PM
they just said it during the game

lamzoka
05-14-2014, 08:23 PM
Wooooow... Well I hope Phil comes down and coach the team now

numba1CHANGsta
05-14-2014, 08:24 PM
Mark Jackson>Steve Kerr, js

J4KOP99
05-14-2014, 08:24 PM
Huge money. How the hell did Kerr pull this off. I want his agent to represent me.

Cal827
05-14-2014, 08:24 PM
It was his loyalty to Phil and going for a rebuilding gig with no guarantee of Melo as opposed to being close to his kids and coaching a contender.


Wonder who's the next Knicks candidate?

Pretty much this.

They likely won't be able to get anyone significant until they know about the Melo situation.

Although, I have no idea how Kerr got such a huge deal lol

sf-fanatic
05-14-2014, 08:24 PM
Hmm this is interesting

numba1CHANGsta
05-14-2014, 08:26 PM
Kerr used Phil for leverage lmao Phil should just leave and come back to LA :)

NYJ - NYY
05-14-2014, 08:27 PM
Huge money. How the hell did Kerr pull this off. I want his agent to represent me.

Mike tenenbaum of jets gm fame ... Always over paid now he's getting paid

b_russ
05-14-2014, 08:27 PM
Wooooow... Well I hope feel comes down and coach the team now

hahahaha, who? Feel Jack's Un

NYKnickFanatic
05-14-2014, 08:28 PM
:laugh2: knew it would happen. Congrats to Kerr.

COOLbeans
05-14-2014, 08:28 PM
They fired Mark Jackson for Steve Kerr? :laugh2:

NYKnickFanatic
05-14-2014, 08:29 PM
hahahaha, who? Feel Jack's Un

Lmao

elledaddy
05-14-2014, 08:29 PM
Good I really really really didnt want him to coach New York. I wish we went after Kevin Ollie

J4KOP99
05-14-2014, 08:29 PM
Tenanbaum is his agent?

astonmartin10
05-14-2014, 08:30 PM
Kerr getting paid. I don't think he made more money as a player.

lamzoka
05-14-2014, 08:31 PM
hahahaha, who? Feel Jack's Un


Haha. I was so shock, i didn't even know what i was typing lol

PHIL aka the Zen Master

P&GRealist
05-14-2014, 08:33 PM
Kerr used Phil for leverage lmao Phil should just leave and come back to LA :)

Did Jim Buss die?

cmellofan15
05-14-2014, 08:33 PM
nice move for Kerr. If i'm not mistaken this contract should put him somewhere around #8 on the list of highest paid coaches.

COOLbeans
05-14-2014, 08:33 PM
I guess it's intriguing

and it's just like this new Warriors brass to garner significant media attention from their decisions.

NYKnickFanatic
05-14-2014, 08:33 PM
Tenanbaum is his agent?

Yup

COOLbeans
05-14-2014, 08:34 PM
woah! wonder what the warriors had to give him to make him spurn the zen master

A 5th year and easy access to San Diego where he lives

xxplayerxx23
05-14-2014, 08:34 PM
Good they wouldn't give him
6 years 30 mill we only offered 4 years

NYJ - NYY
05-14-2014, 08:35 PM
Yup

He's still sour over ruining the jets and getting fired

RipCity32
05-14-2014, 08:36 PM
How are you going to pay a guy that much money with no experience. I could see why Phil was intrigued because of the triangle but wow.

lamzoka
05-14-2014, 08:37 PM
Warriors stole Steph Curry from us, they stole david lee from us, they stole Mark Jackson from us and now Steve Kerr. :catfight:

moshy2
05-14-2014, 08:39 PM
Would have preferred the proven guy in SVG but Kerr will do. I mean if Phil wanted him that badly :shrug:

BKLYNpigeon
05-14-2014, 08:39 PM
I think Kerr is going to be a Really good Coach. I don't really care how much it costs, its not like it counts against the salary cap.

- Kerr is a former PG. they make the best coaches
- Use to be a GM so he knows the inner workings of a Front Office.
- Did the whole Media Broadcasting thing, so he knows all the players and coaches
- Played with the best players in the world.
- Played under Phil Jackson and Greg Poppavich.

ohreally
05-14-2014, 08:39 PM
Melo should leave now. First thing on Phil's plate? Uh-uh.

sf-fanatic
05-14-2014, 08:40 PM
The kicks should bring in mike brown

lincecum=future
05-14-2014, 08:42 PM
I think Kerr is going to be a Really good Coach. I don't really care how much it costs, its not like it counts against the salary cap.

- Kerr is a former PG. they make the best coaches
- Use to be a GM so he knows the inner workings of a Front Office.
- Did the whole Media Broadcasting thing, so he knows all the players and coaches
- Played with the best players in the world.
- Played under Phil Jackson and Greg Poppavich.

Yeah I really don't give a **** about any of that. He's unproven and this really doesn't make much sense. Without knowing who is on his staff, I don't like this move at all. Prove me wrong Steve.

shep33
05-14-2014, 08:42 PM
Mark Jackson to the Knicks? I can't see Phil coaching that Knicks team

lamzoka
05-14-2014, 08:44 PM
Steve Kerr earnings as a player $15.8 million, with 5 championship rings

Steve Kerr earnings as a coach $25 million, with 0 head/assistant coaching experience

colinskik
05-14-2014, 08:44 PM
I think Kerr is going to be a Really good Coach. I don't really care how much it costs, its not like it counts against the salary cap.

- Kerr is a former PG. they make the best coaches
- Use to be a GM so he knows the inner workings of a Front Office.
- Did the whole Media Broadcasting thing, so he knows all the players and coaches
- Played with the best players in the world.
- Played under Phil Jackson and Greg Poppavich.

Mark jackson has some of these qualities and, you know, actually did a good job coaching the W's.

redsoxknicks
05-14-2014, 08:46 PM
Please not Mark Jackson. I cannot see him wanting to be "molded" by anyone, even Phil Jackson. Mark enjoys the mic and limelight a little too much for Phil's liking.

Someone like Brian Shaw is far more suited to work with Phil.

BKLYNpigeon
05-14-2014, 08:47 PM
Mark jackson has some of these qualities and, you know, actually did a good job coaching the W's.

yeah, but he did not get along well with he front office. they were both to blame.

must have been pretty bad to actually fire a coach that everyone loved.

east fb knicks
05-14-2014, 08:47 PM
fk kerr I doubt he makes a good coach

lincecum=future
05-14-2014, 08:48 PM
Considering the options I guess this is a good move because Kerr can definitely be a solid coach. But give me Mark Jackson, whom the players love, with new assistants over an unproven Steve Kerr 10 times out of 10.

COOLbeans
05-14-2014, 08:49 PM
Considering the options I guess this is a good move because Kerr can definitely be a solid coach. But give me Mark Jackson, whom the players love, with new assistants over an unproven Steve Kerr 10 times out of 10.

Truth :clap:

BKLYNpigeon
05-14-2014, 08:50 PM
Considering the options I guess this is a good move because Kerr can definitely be a solid coach. But give me Mark Jackson, whom the players love, with new assistants over an unproven Steve Kerr 10 times out of 10.

thats the thing. Mark Jackson said he would have resigned if he was not fired. the relationship was that awful.

therealwd27
05-14-2014, 08:53 PM
Are any of Phils disciples or assistants good coaches anyways lol? What's the fuss all about. If you want a proven system that provides solid coaches hire from Pop not Phil

elledaddy
05-14-2014, 08:55 PM
Better deal then what the Knicks were offering plus he close to his family. I just dont see him getting anything more out of those guys than Mark Jax got. To say that GS wanted a more "likable" coach but offered the job to Stan Van Gundy dont seem right to me but whatever.

I'll go on record and say GS struggles to make the playoffs next yr if they make it at all.-Bold Prediction

mRc08
05-14-2014, 08:56 PM
It will be interesting to see how this effects the carmello situation. Does Kerr signing elsewhere show Phil cant attract anyone he wants (players/coaches) on his reputation alone? If Phile ends up having to take over, will it effect carmello's decision to stay?

lincecum=future
05-14-2014, 08:56 PM
Considering the options I guess this is a good move because Kerr can definitely be a solid coach. But give me Mark Jackson, whom the players love, with new assistants over an unproven Steve Kerr 10 times out of 10.

thats the thing. Mark Jackson said he would have resigned if he was not fired. the relationship was that awful.

I guess you're right. It was clear that he wasn't returning barring a deep playoff run. Either way all aboard the Steve Kerr train

BKLYNpigeon
05-14-2014, 08:58 PM
ll Steve Kerr has to do is Win more then 51 games and make it to the second round of the playoffs.

COOLbeans
05-14-2014, 09:02 PM
thats the thing. Mark Jackson said he would have resigned if he was not fired. the relationship was that awful.

He was a bit skittish on that but I wouldn't doubt it

COOLbeans
05-14-2014, 09:02 PM
ll Steve Kerr has to do is Win more then 51 games and make it to the second round of the playoffs.

I think he needs 54+ wins and a WCF appearance in two years

Lakers + Giants
05-14-2014, 09:06 PM
1. I seriously don't think Kerr will be a good coach.
2. It's funny seeing Jackson getting rejected.

BKLYNpigeon
05-14-2014, 09:11 PM
Kerr said he's spent the past few years preparing himself in being a Head coach. Being a broadcaster he went all over US to training camps and practices learning form coaches etc.

I think thats why so many teams were chasing him.

NYKNYGNYY
05-14-2014, 09:15 PM
wonder how much they paid ...screw him but I don't blame him for going there but still PJ woulda groomed him...no MJ to the knicks?

Rndy
05-14-2014, 09:15 PM
This shouldn't be a surprise he would have been pretty stupid to take NY over GS if he wants to win basketball games. The only reason NY would have been a good decision was if he wanted to develop/rebuild a team with Phil Jackson and if he happened to win a ring in NY he would be a god there.

He made the right call much better team short term and long term Phil Jackson has his work cut out for him he can thank the idiots who ran it before for giving up all their picks going to be very hard to rebuild with 1 first round pick in the next what 5 years?

UPRock
05-14-2014, 09:18 PM
I don't understand this, why overpay for him when Jackson is a good proven coach?

Deadpool
05-14-2014, 09:25 PM
Would Derek Fisher emerge as a serious candidate now?

Crackadalic
05-14-2014, 09:37 PM
I'm actually shock the knicks didn't do a typical knick move and overpay. We just dodge a bullet because the media would have eaten him alive in that city

Shammyguy3
05-14-2014, 09:49 PM
Would Derek Fisher emerge as a serious candidate now?

First name I thought of if Fisher decides to retire in the off-season.

NBA_Starter
05-14-2014, 09:53 PM
I guess the Dubs showed him the money. I can't really blame him for choosing the situation in GS over the mess that the Knicks are.

Gibby
05-14-2014, 09:55 PM
be funny if knicks hire Mark Jackson to **** with GS. However I dont think Phil wants Mark.

CityofTreez
05-14-2014, 09:57 PM
They fired Mark Jackson for Steve Kerr? :laugh2:

You're a Warriors fan right?

Hypothetical, but do you think if we (Kings) never acquired Malone, you think he would be your likely candidate with all this crap?

Sadds The Gr8
05-14-2014, 10:01 PM
Surprised he rejected Phil. I never like the idea of "championship caliber" teams hiring young coaches but we'll see

archdevil84
05-14-2014, 10:05 PM
good finally wont hear his stupid *** voice anymore on games

Kashmir13579
05-14-2014, 10:06 PM
I'd rather live in the bay area, too.

LongIslandIcedZ
05-14-2014, 10:10 PM
Offered more years, money and a better team.

I'm not too surprised

PraiseJesus
05-14-2014, 10:26 PM
bad decision by Kerr

He is set up to fail

Taking over for a great coach that was fired when the players liekd him is an uphill battle

good luck Kerr.... you got a tougher job than you think

PraiseJesus
05-14-2014, 10:26 PM
should of taken the Knicks job

ThaDubs
05-14-2014, 10:31 PM
I'd rather live in the bay area, too.

Come on down bro convert to the west side.

ThaDubs
05-14-2014, 10:34 PM
Offered more years, money and a better team.

I'm not too surprised

It's not just about that, he lives in California and when he was a GM with the Suns he really wanted Steph Curry so now he gets a chance to coach him.

P&GRealist
05-14-2014, 10:34 PM
What is it with the Warriors hiring guys right out of the announcing booth?

First Mark Jackson, now Steve Kerr.

ThaDubs
05-14-2014, 10:35 PM
What is it with the Warriors hiring guys right out of the announcing booth?

First Mark Jackson, now Steve Kerr.

Lol I was just thinking about that. We always be taking the best announcers tbr

Slug3
05-14-2014, 10:48 PM
Never coached a day in his life and is making almost the same amount of money as Pop. I will not feel bad when the owner last try to lockout again and blame the players again for their stupid decisions.

setman2000
05-14-2014, 10:51 PM
.....but, but, but it's the Great Carmelo and the Knicks??? BWAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA!

slashsnake
05-14-2014, 10:54 PM
Interesting pick. I didn't see him as a head coaching candidate until Phil took over the Knicks and that maybe made sense with their connection. But congrats for him.

I think that call was tougher than it seems though. Sure I love what Golden State has right now a lot more, but are they going to be a real contender in the next few years or just be that 2nd tier team in the West and lose a guy or two to free agency and drop back down? Can NY or LA put together a better roster (NY in the east too) in the next 2-3 years?

naps
05-14-2014, 11:04 PM
I wonder how Phil Jackson feels about this. Pretty sure Phil thought this would be easier than what it is right now when he took this job. He probably thought he has his people set up around the league, all he needs to do is just call them up.

May be Phil needs to call Pat Riley to learn some tricks to become a gangster like Pat...lol

TheNumber37
05-14-2014, 11:10 PM
Blessing in disguise. I don't think Kerr will be as good a coach as Jeff Hornacek nor Jkidd were in their first years.

slashsnake
05-14-2014, 11:21 PM
May be Phil needs to call Pat Riley to learn some tricks to become a gangster like Pat...lol

Flash the rings Phil!

Honestly, I wonder how much Phil really wanted Kerr. I heard a lot of stories and reports, but not sure if they were from the Knicks and Phil, or just rumors. Either way, Kerr should buy him a steak dinner for hyping up his name this off-season.

I know Phil wanted Paxson years ago to replace him in Chicago and Paxson said his kids were too young and he wanted to see them. Think that ex-GM would be his next look now that his kids are grown?

So when the Thunders season is over, does the Fisher retiring and taking over under Phil conversation heat up? Phil always called him a leader in LA.

Me and Mr. T
05-14-2014, 11:37 PM
Smart move! The pressure in NY is intense and it's not like the Knicks are going anywhere for years to come.

effen5
05-15-2014, 12:58 AM
Blessing in disguise. I don't think Kerr will be as good a coach as Jeff Hornacek nor Jkidd were in their first years.

You do realize Kerr was coached by 2 of the greatest coaches in league history?

Avenged
05-15-2014, 01:04 AM
Jackson for Kerr? GSW FO better hope the unnecessary gamble works.

Paul Heyman
05-15-2014, 01:18 AM
I haven't seen so much upset people since my client BLOCK LEZNER beat the undertakers streak at wrestlemania

Cubby
05-15-2014, 01:19 AM
Considering the options I guess this is a good move because Kerr can definitely be a solid coach. But give me Mark Jackson, whom the players love, with new assistants over an unproven Steve Kerr 10 times out of 10.

He would have just butted heads with the new assistants too because he's an egotistical *******.

Mark Jackson was so overrated it's hilarious. I don't understand why people don't realize that. His adjustments were **** (if **** was nonexistent) and his offensive philosophy was trash as well. Absolutely minimal ball movement. Right before a last ditch attempt to win the game against the Clippers, he pointed to each player and said, "You deserve it!" to each guy. Why not draw up a ****ing play? Maybe because he's a motivational coach, not a basketball coach.

Cubby
05-15-2014, 01:20 AM
You do realize Kerr was coached by 2 of the greatest coaches in league history?

They quite easily round out the top two.

effen5
05-15-2014, 01:28 AM
They quite easily round out the top two.

Kerr might not having coaching experience but the thing is...he has winning experience.

He's been around Phil Jackson and Coach Pops for a VERY long time.

Kerr's also been around some of the best players in NBA history. Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, David Robinson, and Tim Duncan?

For a very average player (one of my favorites growing up), he's got some damn experience on winning.

Me and Mr. T
05-15-2014, 01:35 AM
I haven't seen so much upset people since my client BLOCK LEZNER beat the undertakers streak at wrestlemania

:laugh2:

kobe4thewinbang
05-15-2014, 01:55 AM
This is worrying. The Warriors probably appeal to Kerr because they shoot a lot of 3's, like Kerr did with his "Matador Defense". I think GSW needs better defense, but I guess they'll keep putting offense first under Kerr. I hope he does well. I would also make him GM. Getting Shaq to PHX was a ballsy move last time he was in control of a team.

HuRRiCaNeS324
05-15-2014, 02:07 AM
Warriors are ****ing ********... The infatuation with Steve Kerr is so ridiculous it's comical. The Knicks, Lakers, and Warriors wanted him when he's proven absolutely nothing.

Firing Jackson was stupid in itself, now they've compounded by giving an unproven coach 25 million dollars. I think the head coaching job at GS is gonna be a revolving door for years to come because they fire coaches at the drop of the hat and throw money at people with as much experience as a new born child.

HuRRiCaNeS324
05-15-2014, 02:16 AM
Kerr might not having coaching experience but the thing is...he has winning experience.

He's been around Phil Jackson and Coach Pops for a VERY long time.

Kerr's also been around some of the best players in NBA history. Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, David Robinson, and Tim Duncan?

For a very average player (one of my favorites growing up), he's got some damn experience on winning.

You know who also played for Phil and Pops??? I can name all the players who've played under them and it doesn't mean they're good coaching candidates too.

In my opinion that means virtually nothing to me because there's no evidence that Kerr can reciprocate what Phil and Pops coached. Maybe if he worked under them as an assistant coach for multiple years it'll matter.

Whose to say that the system that Kerr was coached under applies to the Warriors? And even if it does, can he coach it to the players that never played in that system?

Sly Guy
05-15-2014, 02:25 AM
I think removing jackson was a bad decision, but the hiring of kerr is nothing to scoff at either. I think he'll do wonders for a deep shooting up-tempo team like the warriors.

torocan
05-15-2014, 02:28 AM
Offered more years, money and a better team.

I'm not too surprised

Not to mention nicer weather, close to his family, more credit if he's successful and an owner who's not viewed as a complete nut job.

I think the only reason he was even looking at the Knicks was his sense of loyalty to Phil, however even that only goes so far when they aren't offering anything close to the GSW offer by every other measure.

Whether this turns out to be good or bad for the Knicks I suppose only time will tell. Still, good for Steve Kerr. Can't blame the guy for taking the better situation for him and his family.

effen5
05-15-2014, 02:29 AM
You know who also played for Phil and Pops??? I can name all the players who've played under them and it doesn't mean they're good coaching candidates too.

In my opinion that means virtually nothing to me because there's no evidence that Kerr can reciprocate what Phil and Pops coached. Maybe if he worked under them as an assistant coach for multiple years it'll matter.

Whose to say that the system that Kerr was coached under applies to the Warriors? And even if it does, can he coach it to the players that never played in that system?

And theres no evidence that he would fail either...the same way both MJax and Jkidd succeeded without any experiences.

tredigs
05-15-2014, 02:49 AM
Bummed we did not get SVG, but I've always been a fan of Kerr's insights and I'm loving his early comments concerning things he thinks he can improve on the offensive end.

Overall, I'm happy to have Kerr instead of Jackson. I think it has a lot of promise. Now, we just need him to win over the locker room; may be a challenge, but he's a very likable guy and knows what it takes to win. I think it works.

Kerr is also exceptionally more qualified than MJ was IMO. He played under better coaches and already has been deep into the game as a GM.

effen5
05-15-2014, 02:54 AM
Bummed we did not get SVG, but I've always been a fan of Kerr's insights and I'm loving his early comments concerning things he thinks he can improve on the offensive end.

Overall, I'm happy to have Kerr instead of Jackson. I think it has a lot of promise. Now, we just need him to win over the locker room; may be a challenge, but he's a very likable guy and knows what it takes to win. I think it works.

Kerr is also exceptionally more qualified than MJ was IMO. He played under better coaches and already has been deep into the game as a GM.

Win over the locker room? Just do this.

http://www.onthecorner.fr/press/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Kerr-5th-ring-600x387.jpg

tredigs
05-15-2014, 02:58 AM
Win over the locker room? Just do this.

http://www.onthecorner.fr/press/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Kerr-5th-ring-600x387.jpg

Lmfao -- Looks like a Make-A-Wish miracle day. Love both these guys.

P&GRealist
05-15-2014, 03:00 AM
I wonder how Phil Jackson feels about this. Pretty sure Phil thought this would be easier than what it is right now when he took this job. He probably thought he has his people set up around the league, all he needs to do is just call them up.

May be Phil needs to call Pat Riley to learn some tricks to become a gangster like Pat...lol

I hate to break this to you bud, but everything Pat Riley learned was from Jerry West when Riley was Lakers coach during the show time era. Riley learned to become a gangster or godfather that you guys call him from the original gangster/godfather, Jerry West.

I'm only pointing this out that Riley and everything he's done is some sort of gm guru innovator. I'm simply clearing up that misconception. He learned from the best, the LOGO.

And Phil would never take advice from Riles. Those 2 guys hate each other. At the end, Phil out did Riley both as Laker coach (5 to 4) and overall career coach (11 to 5).

P&GRealist
05-15-2014, 03:07 AM
And theres no evidence that he would fail either...the same way both MJax and Jkidd succeeded without any experiences.

Kidd and Jackson were also elite point guards throughout their careers, starting point guards for multiple teams that either won the chip or made the finals on multiple occasions. #2 and #3 respectively in all time assists. Extensions of their coaches. Played and initiated different systems.

That's why the merit was there for those guys.


Kerr- 9th or 10th man at best, spot up 3 pt shooter for Pop and Phil, and former Suns GM that traded Marion for Shaq and hired Terry Porter. Sure the suns got to the 2010 wcf, but quickly and immediately fell off the map afterwards. What kind of merit is that ??

tredigs
05-15-2014, 03:14 AM
Kidd and Jackson were also elite point guards throughout their careers, starting point guards for multiple teams that either won the chip or made the finals on multiple occasions. #2 and #3 respectively in all time assists. Extensions of their coaches. Played and initiated different systems.

That's why the merit was there for those guys.


Kerr- 9th or 10th man at best, spot up 3 pt shooter for Pop and Phil, and former Suns GM that traded Marion for Shaq and hired Terry Porter. Sure the suns got to the 2010 wcf, but quickly and immediately fell off the map afterwards. What kind of merit is that ??
He got important run on some of the best teams of the past 30 years with limited ability. He's one of the most roundly respected people in the basketball community for a reason, and it wasn't his size+skill.

effen5
05-15-2014, 03:28 AM
Kidd and Jackson were also elite point guards throughout their careers, starting point guards for multiple teams that either won the chip or made the finals on multiple occasions. #2 and #3 respectively in all time assists. Extensions of their coaches. Played and initiated different systems.

That's why the merit was there for those guys.


Kerr- 9th or 10th man at best, spot up 3 pt shooter for Pop and Phil, and former Suns GM that traded Marion for Shaq and hired Terry Porter. Sure the suns got to the 2010 wcf, but quickly and immediately fell off the map afterwards. What kind of merit is that ??

Actually Kerr was 7th off the Bulls bench behind Kukoc with the Bulls...and he finished almost every game. and pretty much what tredigs said ^

While he may not be elite, he's played in some of the most crucial games with his teams. Especially against the Bulls Jazz series and one extremely important game with the Spurs that pretty much created the momentum to win the WCF and to win the championship in 2005.

COOLbeans
05-15-2014, 03:55 AM
You're a Warriors fan right?

Hypothetical, but do you think if we (Kings) never acquired Malone, you think he would be your likely candidate with all this crap?

A lot of the crap that went on was because the assistants weren't strongly behind Jackson. If Malone stayed, Jackson would still be the coach because Malone was a mature presence and Erman (the mole who taped the coach's meetings for ownership and was fired) would not have been the lead assistant. The entire coaching staff would've been more secure. And there would've been a lot less drama. Most likely with Malone the Warriors would've been a lot better. But that's no fault of Jackson, it's clear the Warriors planted two spies in the coach's ranks (Scal and Erman).

But if Jackson was fired anyhow, it's a definite possibility Malone could've been the new coach.

mgsports
05-15-2014, 08:12 AM
Pippen? Horry? Fox? O'Neal? Mark Jackson might have played with Phil when he was with the Knicks? Fisher? Ewing but never played with on been Phil's Staff before? Tim Floyd? Stacey King? Longley? Wegginton? B.J. Armstrong or Michael Jordan but might nit want to leave Front Office Job?

Chromehounds
05-15-2014, 02:20 PM
He would have just butted heads with the new assistants too because he's an egotistical *******.

Mark Jackson was so overrated it's hilarious. I don't understand why people don't realize that. His adjustments were **** (if **** was nonexistent) and his offensive philosophy was trash as well. Absolutely minimal ball movement. Right before a last ditch attempt to win the game against the Clippers, he pointed to each player and said, "You deserve it!" to each guy. Why not draw up a ****ing play? Maybe because he's a motivational coach, not a basketball coach.

There is a big difference between preaching basketball and teaching basketball. However a few W's fans don't get it, Jackson is way overrated as you said.
NY/Cleveland can have Jackson, see how long he lasts. :)
But the Kerr hiring is odd though, will see.

D-Leethal
05-15-2014, 02:24 PM
I wanted Kerr but this I think is a better fit for all parties. I just wish we had a better plan B. But Kerr is not a guy who seems cut out for NYC, he seems like a West Coast golf course type of guy. Not sure how he would resonate with our fans, our culture, our city. He also doesn't seem like a Melo type of guy at all. I think GSW is a much better fit for him and I hope he does well. I think he's gonna be a hell of a coach. Interesting to see if he still runs the triangle or if he was just willing to do that as Phil's underling.

PraiseJesus
05-15-2014, 02:42 PM
Derek Fisher > Kerr

Rambis > Kerr

Trust in Phil Jackson Knicks fans

PatsSoxKnicks
05-15-2014, 03:08 PM
Bummed we did not get SVG, but I've always been a fan of Kerr's insights and I'm loving his early comments concerning things he thinks he can improve on the offensive end.

Overall, I'm happy to have Kerr instead of Jackson. I think it has a lot of promise. Now, we just need him to win over the locker room; may be a challenge, but he's a very likable guy and knows what it takes to win. I think it works.

Kerr is also exceptionally more qualified than MJ was IMO. He played under better coaches and already has been deep into the game as a GM.

Agreed 100%. What are the odds the Warriors actually run some plays down the stretch now? In an earlier post, I found they had run about twice as many iso's as the Spurs (despite the Spurs still playing....) and nearly 250 more than the Clippers (again, despite the Clippers still playing....). Heck, even the HEAT have run nearly 220+ less iso's than the Warriors.... I'm really excited to see what the Warriors do now on offense with a coach who won't just iso all the time.

slashsnake
05-15-2014, 03:22 PM
Kidd and Jackson were also elite point guards throughout their careers, starting point guards for multiple teams that either won the chip or made the finals on multiple occasions. #2 and #3 respectively in all time assists. Extensions of their coaches. Played and initiated different systems.

That's why the merit was there for those guys.


Kerr- 9th or 10th man at best, spot up 3 pt shooter for Pop and Phil, and former Suns GM that traded Marion for Shaq and hired Terry Porter. Sure the suns got to the 2010 wcf, but quickly and immediately fell off the map afterwards. What kind of merit is that ??

Actually Nash is #3 in assists. Jackson is #4.

But #5 is Magic who's coaching career lasted 16 games and was a mutual part for him to not coach anymore.

And #8 in all time assists is Isiah Thomas...

Both top 5 all time in assists per game.

Cousy retired #1 all time in assists, and was fired twice and done for as a coach.

It just seems the hard working guy role player has more success than the star. Besides those three you have Willis Reed, Wes Unseld, Maurice Cheeks, Elgin Baylor, Dave Cowens, Paul Silas... Guys like Phil Jackson, Larry Brown, Pat Riley, Scott Brooks, George Karl take that role player bit and turn it into some pretty good coaching.

I am not sure why.. Maybe because it is harder for a star to get his team to emulate how he played the game, where the role player gets to see from an outside view of what makes that star and team so great. Maybe they work harder trying to make their mark as a coach since they didn't as a player? Maybe the money is more of an incetive for them to do well?

But if I was picking a coach, merit of on court ability during their playing career wouldn't be a big push for me.

Not saying I like the Kerr hiring, I really know nothing about his ability as a coach, and to be honest, Mark Jackson doesn't remind me of an elite player like some of those others. Not on the level of elite 90's PG's like Stockton, KJ, Payton and Tim Hardaway. I see him more of the 2nd tier with Kenny Anderson, Mookie, Price... He wasn't ever great, though he was a great passer. But he did have a VERY long career that stayed productive.

Gibby23
05-15-2014, 03:57 PM
Derek Fisher > Kerr

Rambis > Kerr

Trust in Phil Jackson Knicks fans

Why was Phil Jacksons 1st choice Kerr over the other 2?

PraiseJesus
05-15-2014, 04:06 PM
Why was Phil Jacksons 1st choice Kerr over the other 2?

Phil Jacksons first choice was to coach the Lakers as well

Now he is the president of the Knicks

Gibby23
05-15-2014, 04:23 PM
Phil Jacksons first choice was to coach the Lakers as well

Now he is the president of the Knicks

And he just struck out on his 1st Major move. If he liked Rambis so much , he wouldn't have offered the job to Kerr so quick. Now he still wants a Tri guy and Rambis shouldn't be a choice. He should go with Fisher, Rambis sucks.

PraiseJesus
05-15-2014, 04:30 PM
And he just struck out on his 1st Major move. If he liked Rambis so much , he wouldn't have offered the job to Kerr so quick. Now he still wants a Tri guy and Rambis shouldn't be a choice. He should go with Fisher, Rambis sucks.

I guess he didnt like Kerr enough to offer 5 yrs 25 million

PraiseJesus
05-15-2014, 04:34 PM
Kerr has no experience and also was proven to be a bust as a GM

I think it's very possible that he flops as a coach

Gibby23
05-15-2014, 04:52 PM
Kerr has no experience and also was proven to be a bust as a GM

I think it's very possible that he flops as a coach

Isn't Rambis a proven bust of a coach? That is worse for a coach than being a bust of a GM.

Shammyguy3
05-15-2014, 05:12 PM
Kerr has no experience and also was proven to be a bust as a GM

I think it's very possible that he flops as a coach

how did Kerr bust as a GM exactly?

PraiseJesus
05-15-2014, 05:15 PM
Isn't Rambis a proven bust of a coach? That is worse for a coach than being a bust of a GM.

Rambis coached the timberwolves...

I dont consider him a bust

PraiseJesus
05-15-2014, 05:16 PM
how did Kerr bust as a GM exactly?

Shaq

Gibby23
05-15-2014, 05:26 PM
Rambis coached the timberwolves...

I dont consider him a bust

Most people that matter consider him a bust. Like most NBA GM's.

tredigs
05-15-2014, 05:38 PM
Kerr has no experience and also was proven to be a bust as a GM

I think it's very possible that he flops as a coach

Lol at ''proven to be a bust''. He had his share of missteps as a GM (all do),but he did more right than wrong. He loved Dragic's potential on draft night in 2008 (when nobody else did) and conned the Spurs of all organizations to trade the pick for absolutely nothing (edit: the draft rights to Malik Houston is who he orchestrated the deal for). That insight+trade alone is still monumental to the organization and set them up positively for the future. He also got Robin Lopez in that draft, who has proven to be a worthy NBA starting center. And traded Diaw/Bell for J-Rich + Dudley (success) and signed/extended Grant Hill + Nash (success). Shaq exceeded expectations for them, but it just did not fit their style. At least he was able to orchestrate a deal to the Cavs to dump his contract at the right time.

Overall, he was a success as a first time GM. That's an extremely tough job, too. Much easier to scrutinize than a coaching job due to all the negative Monday morning quarterbacks out there (yourself).

Shammyguy3
05-15-2014, 06:27 PM
Shaq

seems like tredigs already replied to your notion of Kerr stinking it up with the Suns as their GM. Even so, this single thought on why he sucked, which isn't even accurate, is hilarious

D-Leethal
05-15-2014, 06:29 PM
Isn't Rambis a proven bust of a coach? That is worse for a coach than being a bust of a GM.

What is exactly a proven bust as a coach? Someone who coaches a horrible team for one season and has a crappy record? Such a stupid mindset around here. Again, you don't need to look any further than Terry Stotts or Doc Rivers.

SugeKnight
05-15-2014, 06:42 PM
Cool

Gibby23
05-15-2014, 06:58 PM
What is exactly a proven bust as a coach? Someone who coaches a horrible team for one season and has a crappy record? Such a stupid mindset around here. Again, you don't need to look any further than Terry Stotts or Doc Rivers.

So how would it help Rambis to coach a horrible team again?

PraiseJesus
05-15-2014, 08:10 PM
What is exactly a proven bust as a coach? Someone who coaches a horrible team for one season and has a crappy record? Such a stupid mindset around here. Again, you don't need to look any further than Terry Stotts or Doc Rivers.

You are correct D-Leethal. Im no stranger to the rampant group think that permeates these forums.

I have example after example of the clear majority of PSD NBA or MLB posters being 100% wrong about something. The most notable of which probably being when I said Steph Curry would be a top 2 PG in the NBA and an MVP candidate in his career. I was bashed over and over again by PSD members for those comments which, as we all know now, were completely 100% correct.

This situation is no different. Everyone is on the Steve Kerr bandwagon for reasons beyond my comprehension. I thought he would of been an OK hire for the Knicks for a 3 year contract where they can make a change easily if needed.

The fact is that Kerr doesn't strike me as a great leader. He never did. I have my doubts as to how much players will be willing to follow him.

I have those doubt ESPECIALLY in the case of the Golden State Warriors where Mark Jackson was beloved by the players and removed for reasons unknown to anyone.

That's a TOUGH situation to bring a new and unproven coach into - especially one which I don't consider a natural leader. No matter how you cut it there is a learning curve for Kerr and he may or may not handle it well.

Kerr taking over the Knicks was a MUCH different situation, one with lower expectations and allowed time to become successful.

I think Rambis or D Fish are both better leaders than Kerr with equal knowledge of the triangle offense.

Because of all of this, I think Kerr will be a massive bust in GS and whoever the Knicks hire will enjoy better success when all is said and done

moshy2
05-15-2014, 08:34 PM
I have those doubt ESPECIALLY in the case of the Golden State Warriors where Mark Jackson was beloved by the players and removed for reasons unknown to anyone.

Our management and him didn't like each other at all and he ran a terrible offense with the players we have. His iso offense was a joke and for someone who is supposed to be an expert motivator, we were disinterested often in games this year and it costed us. Don't get me wrong, I liked Jackson and it's cute him and Curry have a thing going, but we weren't going anywhere with such tension and an iso heavy offense. Is Kerr gonna have more success? I really don't know. I wanted SVG first

PraiseJesus
05-15-2014, 10:30 PM
Our management and him didn't like each other at all and he ran a terrible offense with the players we have. His iso offense was a joke and for someone who is supposed to be an expert motivator, we were disinterested often in games this year and it costed us. Don't get me wrong, I liked Jackson and it's cute him and Curry have a thing going, but we weren't going anywhere with such tension and an iso heavy offense. Is Kerr gonna have more success? I really don't know. I wanted SVG first

Mark Jackson was quite successful if you look at his W-L record compared to before he arrived.

We will see just how bad his coaching was once Kerr (the savior) shows up.

My expert opinion says they will regress from this year. Ultimately their fate will likely be a first round exit or worse

NBA_Starter
05-15-2014, 10:40 PM
I understand why he did it but Kerr may have set himself up to fail, such high expectations in GS.

moshy2
05-15-2014, 10:47 PM
Mark Jackson was quite successful if you look at his W-L record compared to before he arrived.

We will see just how bad his coaching was once Kerr (the savior) shows up.

My expert opinion says they will regress from this year. Ultimately their fate will likely be a first round exit or worse

Compare the players he had to previous years, too. We didn't have the talent until the new management came and brought them in at the same time as Jackson. It was thought for much of the season that we regressed and underachieved already this year under Jackson. Like I said, I wanted SVG, but as long as the defense doesn't take a hit, I think Steve "The Savior" Kerr will improve our offense or at least make it consistent.

PraiseJesus
05-16-2014, 12:02 AM
Compare the players he had to previous years, too. We didn't have the talent until the new management came and brought them in at the same time as Jackson. It was thought for much of the season that we regressed and underachieved already this year under Jackson. Like I said, I wanted SVG, but as long as the defense doesn't take a hit, I think Steve "The Savior" Kerr will improve our offense or at least make it consistent.

IF you really think Stan the man Van Gundy is a better coaching option than Mark Jackson than I fully understand why you are excited about Kerr

Enjoy next season!

moshy2
05-16-2014, 12:52 AM
IF you really think Stan the man Van Gundy is a better coaching option than Mark Jackson than I fully understand why you are excited about Kerr

Enjoy next season!

You didn't watch the Warriors much then. You do the same

todu82
05-16-2014, 12:41 PM
Good for Kerr. Lots of hype surrounding this guy as a coach, let's see if he lives up to it.

tredigs
05-16-2014, 01:14 PM
IF you really think Stan the man Van Gundy is a better coaching option than Mark Jackson than I fully understand why you are excited about Kerr

Enjoy next season!
This fully illuminates just how clueless you are about the sport. And now you can fully be ignored from here on out. Thanks, buddy!

WestCoastSportz
05-16-2014, 01:26 PM
I'm not sure why so many people are comparing Kerr and Jackson's playing careers. Jackson being the "better" player and Kerr having 5 rings isn't going to determine who is the better coach. When Jackson first got hired, I was far from excited. I've watched him do commentary on ESPN and he never sounded like he knew much about the game from a technical standpoint. He said things that made you scratch your head. He may have been a really good basketball player, but he's no basketball mind. A coach is only as good as his whole staff and there aren't many good assistants that would work with Mark Jackson. He was a lone wolf who wanted all the credit to the point if you made a suggestion, he'd tried to have you fired (Scalabrine and Erman) He was a dictator that came off as extremely condescending. Kerr is the opposite of that. He comes of as very humble and open-minded. The Warriors will win 57 games this upcoming season and be a 4th seed.

PraiseJesus
05-16-2014, 03:04 PM
You didn't watch the Warriors much then. You do the same


This fully illuminates just how clueless you are about the sport. And now you can fully be ignored from here on out. Thanks, buddy!


The only thing that's Illuminated is my extensive basketball knowledge and observational analysis skills.

Mark this down right here kids. Put it on your bookmarks. Favorite this post, whatever you have to do. HEck, lets make a sig bet on the whole thing.

Steve Kerr will be less successful than Mark Jackson as a coach

tredigs
05-16-2014, 03:38 PM
The only thing that's Illuminated is my extensive basketball knowledge and observational analysis skills.

Mark this down right here kids. Put it on your bookmarks. Favorite this post, whatever you have to do. HEck, lets make a sig bet on the whole thing.

Steve Kerr will be less successful than Mark Jackson as a coach

They'll likely win 50+ games (49-56) and make the playoffs next season. I'll predict HCA. Depending on Bogut's status, they will make a run. Their offense will go from middling to top 6 in the NBA, and the defense will remain top 5 so long as Bogut plays 50+ games.

PraiseJesus
05-16-2014, 03:45 PM
You didn't watch the Warriors much then. You do the same


They'll likely win 50+ games (49-56) and make the playoffs next season. I'll predict HCA. Depending on Bogut's status, they will make a run. Their offense will go from middling to top 6 in the NBA, and the defense will remain top 5 so long as Bogut plays 50+ games.

Lol

Another first or 2nd round exit?

ILLUSIONIST^248
05-16-2014, 04:12 PM
This will be the downfall of the warriors,book it. Idk why everyone is so high on the guy?

PraiseJesus
05-16-2014, 06:00 PM
You didn't watch the Warriors much then. You do the same


This will be the downfall of the warriors,book it. Idk why everyone is so high on the guy?

It's just PSD NBA forum group think...

Me and you know the truth

WestCoastSportz
05-16-2014, 06:48 PM
People talk as if Mark Jackson is this great coach and the Warriors firing him was a bad decision. Well, I don't see any teams fighting over him yet and there are a few that are in need of a coach. A coach that gets a long with his staff and the front office is overlooked but essential to succeed. Steve Kerr is going to surround himself with great assistants to help him, something that Mike Malone did for Jackson.

PraiseJesus
05-16-2014, 06:59 PM
You didn't watch the Warriors much then. You do the same


People talk as if Mark Jackson is this great coach and the Warriors firing him was a bad decision. Well, I don't see any teams fighting over him yet and there are a few that are in need of a coach. A coach that gets a long with his staff and the front office is overlooked but essential to succeed. Steve Kerr is going to surround himself with great assistants to help him, something that Mike Malone did for Jackson.

The Knicks want a triangle coach and the Lakers want a puppet for a coach.

If Mark Jackson isn't coaching a team next season it's only because he wants to wait for the ideal situation to open up.

It blows my mind that GSW fans are OK with what happened.

Do you really buy the story that Mark Jackson is completely at fault for the bad relationship? From what I heard there were some very shady things going on with management.

I stand by my prediction that the GSW will be a worse team without Mark Jackson

Allphakenny1
05-16-2014, 07:58 PM
The Knicks want a triangle coach and the Lakers want a puppet for a coach.

If Mark Jackson isn't coaching a team next season it's only because he wants to wait for the ideal situation to open up.

It blows my mind that GSW fans are OK with what happened.

Do you really buy the story that Mark Jackson is completely at fault for the bad relationship? From what I heard there were some very shady things going on with management.

I stand by my prediction that the GSW will be a worse team without Mark Jackson

Can you please specify what "worse team" exactly means.

3 years under Jackson the Warriors had 1 horrible season, 1 first round exit, and 1 second round exit. Are you saying the Warriors will not make the playoffs under Kerr because 3 straight first round exits is pretty much a wash. I know the Warriors and their fans are hopping for more. I am not sure if Kerr will improve the team, but I do not really see the Warriors out of the playoffs baring major injuries.

PraiseJesus
05-16-2014, 08:42 PM
Can you please specify what "worse team" exactly means.

3 years under Jackson the Warriors had 1 horrible season, 1 first round exit, and 1 second round exit. Are you saying the Warriors will not make the playoffs under Kerr because 3 straight first round exits is pretty much a wash. I know the Warriors and their fans are hopping for more. I am not sure if Kerr will improve the team, but I do not really see the Warriors out of the playoffs baring major injuries.

Barely make the playoffs early playoff exit

moshy2
05-16-2014, 08:52 PM
The Knicks want a triangle coach and the Lakers want a puppet for a coach.

If Mark Jackson isn't coaching a team next season it's only because he wants to wait for the ideal situation to open up.

It blows my mind that GSW fans are OK with what happened.

Do you really buy the story that Mark Jackson is completely at fault for the bad relationship? From what I heard there were some very shady things going on with management.

I stand by my prediction that the GSW will be a worse team without Mark Jackson

Do you really believe he's not at all at fault for the bad relationship? It was mutual, but unfortunately for Jackson he's not the boss.
Management did their part and brought in the players. Jackson used them differently, incorrectly by many peoples accounts, than what management envisioned and everything just snowballed from there. They both have their share of blame.

Maybe it's a sign that us fans are ok with it. We're the ones that watched him the most

Allphakenny1
05-17-2014, 12:36 AM
Barely make the playoffs early playoff exit

How is that much worse than what Jackson did?

PraiseJesus
05-17-2014, 02:32 AM
Do you really believe he's not at all at fault for the bad relationship? It was mutual, but unfortunately for Jackson he's not the boss.
Management did their part and brought in the players. Jackson used them differently, incorrectly by many peoples accounts, than what management envisioned and everything just snowballed from there. They both have their share of blame.

Maybe it's a sign that us fans are ok with it. We're the ones that watched him the most

I watched the GSW plenty this season. Mark had them working very well. Bogut was a big loss

lol, please
05-17-2014, 04:27 PM
Curry and Lee in the triangle offense = championship.