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Clippersfan86
05-06-2014, 12:08 PM
http://m.newsok.com/oklahoma-city-thunder-chris-paul-had-a-game-for-the-ages/article/4746665

It was tallied at 2 points per possession. Look at the other listed all time great scoring games. Paul is also the only player to have this statistical game period was Jordan once in 1991 and it wasn't in less than 30 minutes. That was a game for the ages. Best of his career.

goingfor28
05-06-2014, 12:15 PM
He went beast mode last night

JJ_JKidd
05-06-2014, 12:16 PM
There are so many individual stat/accolades/first player in nba history to do this that/one of 4 nba players to this and that/etc in the game right now. So individualistic.

Basketball is a team game goodness have we forgotten that? What stat is next lemme guess- x is the only player in nba history to have slept with another player's momma?

koreancabbage
05-06-2014, 12:20 PM
in the big scheme of things, its just one game to a 7 game series - its not even game 7 or series clinching game. noone will remotely remember this by next week / let alone next year.

but yes, good for CP. he played amazing last night and helped his team get the win.

cmellofan15
05-06-2014, 12:22 PM
Hahaha he has his greatest individual performance of all time and everyone just downplays it. Nice!

flea
05-06-2014, 12:35 PM
Hahaha he has his greatest individual performance of all time and everyone just downplays it. Nice!

Eh wouldn't go that far. Not sure I'd even say it's the greatest individual offensive performance. For a point guard it probably is (not counting the freaks like Big O and Magic and Lebron who are points but also triple-double threats and high usage offensive players), but PPS is a bad way to evaluate high usage players.

CP3 is amazing because he rarely takes bad shots. Occasionally that means he has an absurd game like this where he misses only 2 FGs. MJ would never dream of taking only 14 FG attempts in a playoff game.

Clippersfan86
05-06-2014, 12:37 PM
Flea even if it's just the best for a PG, its a classic worth discussing. I'm not even a CP3 homer, but give the man his props. It was a CLASSIC game.

Chronz
05-06-2014, 12:40 PM
Its funny because hes been playing rather pedestrian by his standards so I was expecting a return to the mean at some point, I just didn't expect it to happen like this (His efficiency on average is pretty much now back to CP3 levels after this game). Not sure how I feel on this, on one hand, its great to have a historic performance to guarantee victory, but you kind of rather see him return to normalcy one game at a time because such overkill only counts for 1 win. Maybe Im being too paranoid/analytical, but I wouldn't be surprised if CP3 has a 4/13 game at some point this series after this game. Heres hoping last night was just a sign of CP3 getting healthier or zoned in.

Red_Pill
05-06-2014, 12:45 PM
Couldn't care less about this stat.

With that said, he lit OKC up. Game was over in the first quarter. He was ridiculous.

Clippersfan86
05-06-2014, 12:47 PM
Chronz great points. Thing is it also is going to force OKC to adjust. Once they lock in on CP3 more, I think Blake and DJ can get going and CP3 can just orchestrate. Like they said on First Take today, it was the perfect ambush. OKC was not expecting CP3 to go off.

I've been thinking CP3 was "pedestrian by his standards" for quite a while. He finally listened to Doc and dominated OFF the ball. The days of over dribbling 20 seconds of the shotclock away have to be over. We have too many weapons and are at our best when swinging the ball Spurs style.

mngopher35
05-06-2014, 12:49 PM
Fantastic game by Chris Paul last night, it was great to watch.

Rentzias
05-06-2014, 12:49 PM
http://bkref.com/tiny/v4nGA
Radmanovic 2.14
http://bkref.com/tiny/9cGrV
Thunder Dan 2.36

Unless my crappy math skills misunderstood this crazy stat.

slashsnake
05-06-2014, 12:55 PM
Hahaha he has his greatest individual performance of all time and everyone just downplays it. Nice!

There's a lot more that goes into it than a single offensive only heavily team influenced stat. You are saying that his 10 assists and 2 turnovers a 5:1 rate was a negative here? I thought his passing was a part of what made his game better last night.

Lets say Paul had that same exact game, but played 3 more minutes. And lets say in those three minutes he got Westbrook to foul him 6 times, and made 11 of 12 free throws, and Westbrook was on the bench due to that almost the entire game. That makes Chris Pauls game WORSE? According to that stat, we just added a negative to his play with that.

Lets say the game was close, tied with 10 seconds left, and he gets a steal off Thabo, races down, gets fouled at the buzzer and hits 1 of 2 free throws to win the game. Sorry CP3, you just had a bad final 10 seconds there, it would have been better if you let Thabo hit the game winning shot...

Or lets say CP3 misses one more of those three's, but instead grabs 50 rebounds. Now he just had a worse game

Lets say CP3 was on Durant all game, held him to 0 points and 32 turnovers, but in the process had his toe on the line for one of those three's... Worse performance.

Lets say CP3 had blocked every single shot the thunder took, and had 60 assists, but one more turnover in a 200-0 game. Sorry, but according to your stat, his performance wasn't as good.

He had an amazing game. Sure. Best individual performance ever was him outscoring his counterpart by 3 points?

If Hasheem Thabeet comes in in the final 30 seconds hits a three and gets fouled and makes that shot, your argument is now that his best was only half as good as Hasheem, though he did it for longer on the court.

What about Pettit stopping a Celtic Dynasty mid run with 50 against Russells celtics in the finals? Magic as a rookie in game 6 of the Finals. Elgin Baylors 61-22 in the finals. Jordans 63 vs. the Celtics, Millers 25 in the 4th vs. the Knicks?

There's a million different stats that look at different things. Last year Lebron was the first player ever to have a triple double and game winner in the playoffs. And he did that in the Finals. Why is this offensive team oriented stat more important than that one?

Not saying his game wasn't one for the ages, but that's a pretty narrow view there.

ricky recon
05-06-2014, 01:00 PM
Dirk's 48 point game in the WCF were he was 12/15 and 24/24 comes to mind.

jerellh528
05-06-2014, 01:04 PM
These playoffs have been great so far. That was another instance of a classic playoff moment in history and was one of cp3s better games of his career.

wizardsfan3
05-06-2014, 01:08 PM
Chronz great points. Thing is it also is going to force OKC to adjust. Once they lock in on CP3 more, I think Blake and DJ can get going and CP3 can just orchestrate. Like they said on First Take today, it was the perfect ambush. OKC was not expecting CP3 to go off.

I've been thinking CP3 was "pedestrian by his standards" for quite a while. He finally listened to Doc and dominated OFF the ball. The days of over dribbling 20 seconds of the shotclock away have to be over. We have too many weapons and are at our best when swinging the ball Spurs style.

idk why I can't stop laughing at your sig haha but helluva game by CP3 last night

Clippersfan86
05-06-2014, 01:14 PM
Dirk's 48 point game in the WCF were he was 12/15 and 24/24 comes to mind.

Great game, but this one was superior IMO.

Clippersfan86
05-06-2014, 01:16 PM
idk why I can't stop laughing at your sig haha but helluva game by CP3 last night

Thanks :)

Chronz
05-06-2014, 01:19 PM
Eh wouldn't go that far. Not sure I'd even say it's the greatest individual offensive performance. For a point guard it probably is (not counting the freaks like Big O and Magic and Lebron who are points but also triple-double threats and high usage offensive players), but PPS is a bad way to evaluate high usage players.

CP3 is amazing because he rarely takes bad shots. Occasionally that means he has an absurd game like this where he misses only 2 FGs. MJ would never dream of taking only 14 FG attempts in a playoff game.

Its not even about the raw stats really, Im sure if the game had been closer, CP3 could have stayed out there and taken more shots but he was so efficient it practically ended the game at halftime. So to me, the biggest thing about this is the fact that he helped put away a team as talented as OKC out early with his deadly accuracy.

Statistically, his lack of minutes make it hard to put up there but on a per minute basis, its probably one of the greatest performances by a PG. But a single game performance doesn't mean that much. The last time I saw a game like this was when Terry Porter was leading the Blazers to the Finals. I know Clyde was their best player but man, Terry Porter was a killer in the clutch and he was pretty much the teams x-factor.

Porter had a 12/14 game with 41 PTS back in 92 (vs the Jazz)

Chronz
05-06-2014, 01:22 PM
Chronz great points. Thing is it also is going to force OKC to adjust. Once they lock in on CP3 more, I think Blake and DJ can get going and CP3 can just orchestrate. Like they said on First Take today, it was the perfect ambush. OKC was not expecting CP3 to go off.

I've been thinking CP3 was "pedestrian by his standards" for quite a while. He finally listened to Doc and dominated OFF the ball. The days of over dribbling 20 seconds of the shotclock away have to be over. We have too many weapons and are at our best when swinging the ball Spurs style.

I've only thought it since his injury and all the players are finally buying into Doc. You know I dont buy your exaggerations.

slashsnake
05-06-2014, 01:24 PM
so points per usage is points divided by shot attempts + 2 free throw attempts + turnovers

ie Paul had 32 points on 14 shots, 2 turnovers, no foul shots. 32 points /16 gives us his 2 points per posession...

Bruce Bowen had a 32 minute game where he was 10-12 for 27 points with no turnovers or foul shots. Doesn't that mean he has a 2.25

Derek Fisher.. 41 minute game. 13 shots, 28 points 1 free throw, 0 turnovers. 28 points on 13.5 posessions, aka 2.07 points per posession

Battier for the heat. 8 shots, 0 turnovers, 0 foul shots, and 18 points. 2.25 per posession.

Raef LaFrentz, 9 shots, 22 points, 0 turnovers, 0 free throws 2.44 points per posession.

I also get Jamario Moon and Voshon Lenard there with the 20-30 minute playing time group.

And this makes Paxson and Kerr the best bulls playoff performers. Kerr had a 3 point per possession game in 13 minutes and a 2 point per posession one in 17, which I believe makes him the only player to have multiple playoff games with at least 2 points per posession.



Not sure that is how it works, but that's how the article explains it does. I just can't put all my trust in a stat that says Bowen, Battier, Radmonovic, Thunder Dan, and Fisher are the 6 greatest playoff performers ever with Raef Lafrentz leading the pack.

Edit... wait I get Horry in there a couple times.. For 30+ minutes 2 points plus per posession I also found Kevin Gamble, Found another Battier (35 minutes 9 points 2 shots 3 foul shots, 0 turnovers is 2.57 points per posession, possibly the best ever), Maurice Evans, Damon Jones, Peja Stojakovic...

What does make CP3's one amazing is he isn't a catch and shoot, but a distributor... but again just showing the flaw in the stat here.

Clippersfan86
05-06-2014, 01:27 PM
That's what I mean by a while. Around mid season. Although I already showed you that since becoming a Clipper, his frequency of sub par by his standards games have increased. In 2012 he almost never had a bad game. This year he had a ton of sub 40 percent shooting games and I had a Clippers fan buddy make a chart. His sub 50% TS games double every year the last 3 years if I recall. Its not just me ragging on him.

Thing is he started this season absolutely dominating. So it was around mid season or a little before that he's just been more off than usual.

Clippersfan86
05-06-2014, 01:29 PM
Slash offensive rating says Tyson Chandler is the GOAT. Every metric has anomalies. But no matter what metric we use, I'm sure this ranks high as an all time great offensive game.

Chronz
05-06-2014, 01:31 PM
so points per usage is points divided by shot attempts + 2 free throw attempts + turnovers

Just glance at their O-RTG for the game on Basketball-reference.com for an indication of the most efficient (per possession) games.



Not sure that is how it works, but that's how the article explains it does. I just can't put all my trust in a stat that says Bowen, Battier, Radmonovic, Thunder Dan, and Fisher are the 6 greatest playoff performers ever with Raef Lafrentz leading the pack.

I didn't read the article but I sure hope its not leading you down that path. Usage and efficiency go hand in hand.

slashsnake
05-06-2014, 01:59 PM
Just glance at their O-RTG for the game on Basketball-reference.com for an indication of the most efficient (per possession) games.



I didn't read the article but I sure hope its not leading you down that path. Usage and efficiency go hand in hand.

I thought offensive rating also threw in team scoring and rebounding and things too into the calculation.

I am just checking the numbers to see if the authors article was correct on the stat, which I believe it isn't. Looks like a stat that heavily favors the catch and shoot 3pt specialists. Also a made and 1 counts as 1.5 posessions for 3 points where a 3 pointer counts as one. And if you are fouled on a three that's 1.5 posessions too even though truly it was one.

It is impressive to see a distributor up there on this, but if you don't shoot the three, you have to have a perfect game (100% shooting, 100% at the line, no turnovers) to get a 2.0 here.

Ie Greg Ostertag in the 97 playoffs. 6-6 from the field, 4-4 from the line, 16 points, no turnovers is 2 points per posession. His opponent was Hakeem, who had 16 points, 11 boards, 6 blocks and 6 assists and 2 steals. Hard to argue Ostertag was the better center in that game based on this stat. Kendrick Perkins had one of those games.

I guess my point is as usual, that one stat doesn't define greatest game. 2.0 points for posession for CP3. Great. Andres Biedrins had a game where his stat line was 33 minutes, 1-1 from the field, 2-2 from the line, no turnovers, and 4 points (his counterpart, Mehmet Okur had 23 and 18 in that game). that's 4 points on 2 posessions, aka the same exact 2.0 points per posession.

Obviously a GIANT difference in play there.

CP3's game was amazing, my eyes showed me that. This stat helps support it, but doesn't make it the best ever though. And I think we've found a pretty big hole with the writers fact checking.

Bruno
05-06-2014, 02:01 PM
he was amazing. best player on the floor last night.

Chronz
05-06-2014, 02:03 PM
I thought offensive rating also threw in team scoring and rebounding and things too into the calculation.
There is a team and an individual rating. If you want the complete breakdown on the each one, I believe BBR has it.


I am just checking the numbers to see if the authors article was correct on the stat, which I believe it isn't. Looks like a stat that heavily favors the catch and shoot 3pt specialists. Also a made and 1 counts as 1.5 posessions for 3 points where a 3 pointer counts as one. And if you are fouled on a three that's 1.5 posessions too even though truly it was one.
You can account for that but generally, most formulas count FTA as .44 of a possession to eliminate the effects of "and 1's" on league average. But thats just a rough average, you can definitely account for it yourself tho.

MonroeFAN
05-06-2014, 02:13 PM
1.143 TS%.

Yikes. Hats off to CP3.

Chronz
05-06-2014, 02:48 PM
Slash offensive rating says Tyson Chandler is the GOAT. Every metric has anomalies. But no matter what metric we use, I'm sure this ranks high as an all time great offensive game.
I like to keep things simple, first, lets admit there is no anomaly and its not saying that.

Sadds The Gr8
05-06-2014, 02:50 PM
I wish he was always that aggressive like he was in NO

mdm692
05-06-2014, 02:55 PM
He put in the code and played in god mode that's the only explanation. But for real he gave OKC the business. Another fantastic performance in what has been a great playoffs, individual and teamwise, in quite some time. I still have OKC in 7 but if CP3 can keep playing like this and Blake steps up as well then LAC in 6.

HoopsDrive
05-06-2014, 03:07 PM
I was rooting for him to nail that 9th 3pt, what a game, spectacular performance by one of my fav players today. He was in full control of the game, in the end I found myself wishing the Thunder made it closer so that he would see more floor time but oh well. Amazing performance regardless.

Wrigheyes4MVP
05-06-2014, 03:13 PM
This Clippers team in general is a different team than they were last year. They are much better in the half court set. That has to be the Doc Rivers effect.

I just don't see OKC beating them this series.

mngopher35
05-06-2014, 03:42 PM
Slash you are right with your arguments as "greatest offensive game of all time per possession" is false (based on articles definition), but keep in mind it is an excited clippers fan. The way it is calculated there have been better games, yes. This game was near the best though and the 2 points per possession with that volume is huge, especially for the playoffs.

Either way Chris Paul had an amazingly dominant game 1 and that is probably the point. Game for the ages.

slashsnake
05-06-2014, 03:58 PM
Agree mngopher. I am pulling for them in the West.

It stands out a LOT more than any of the others in the fact that he isn't a catch and shoot like I said, but a guy who dominates the ball (not a bad thing, he's a point guard), and distributes. Assists don't help, turnovers hurt on this stat. Amazing game and I hope he keeps it up. I have been a little down on his play in past playoffs (think he tried to get away from who he is a bit) but this year he's been a blast to watch.

Goose17
05-06-2014, 04:01 PM
CF86, weren't you just ranting about how much CP3 sucks and how unnecessary he is for your team like last week or something?

Clippersfan86
05-06-2014, 04:27 PM
I said he sucks Lol? Show me. I've said Blake is better this year and that CP3 gets shut down too easily sometimes, or isn't aggressive enough. All facts.

Clippersfan86
05-06-2014, 04:32 PM
This Clippers team in general is a different team than they were last year. They are much better in the half court set. That has to be the Doc Rivers effect.

I just don't see OKC beating them this series.

NBA TV said the Clips scored an insane 116 points on 55 percent shooting in the half court last night. Unless they said 106 and I misheard. Nonetheless I've been saying it all year. Blake and DJ took a leap, we got more shooters, CP3 dominates the ball less... AND an actual offensive system from the coaching staff. Under Vinny the teams offense was mostly ISO ball, similar to OKC now. Gentry's motion offense leaves the team with multiple options. So if first option fails, there is almost always a 2nd and 3rd one as well. Gentry has not gotten enough credit with this team.

Clippersfan86
05-06-2014, 04:34 PM
Slash you are right with your arguments as "greatest offensive game of all time per possession" is false (based on articles definition), but keep in mind it is an excited clippers fan. The way it is calculated there have been better games, yes. This game was near the best though and the 2 points per possession with that volume is huge, especially for the playoffs.

Either way Chris Paul had an amazingly dominant game 1 and that is probably the point. Game for the ages.

Fair enough. I should have included offensive rating and TS which were both also near the GOAT performances I believe. This formula isn't an end all to be sure. I was actually going to word the title in question format and forgot the question mark. I'm far from a stat expert and will be first to admit that. I just thought 2 points per possession was nuts.

mngopher35
05-06-2014, 05:08 PM
Fair enough. I should have included offensive rating and TS which were both also near the GOAT performances I believe. This formula isn't an end all to be sure. I was actually going to word the title in question format and forgot the question mark. I'm far from a stat expert and will be first to admit that. I just thought 2 points per possession was nuts.

I didn't mean to call you out at all, it's just that the title was a little misleading. Whenever the wolves finally make the playoffs again I will be hyped up as well if we play like the clips last night. Overall his performances was amazing no matter how you are looking at it statistically (you mentioned TS%, ortg, points per possession). Overall he dissected the defense creating easy shots for others while also putting on a shooting clinic.

5ass
05-06-2014, 05:43 PM
He was amazing. Glad I watched the game.

Hawkeye15
05-06-2014, 07:49 PM
Wilt Chamberlain’s 100-point game in 1962? Wilt had at least 79 possessions (turnovers weren’t kept as an official stat back then)

just to put into perspective how inflated Wilt's stats were when people like to bring up his statistical raw numbers. Look, I have him in my top 3 players ever, but my god, he basically had as many possessions as most NBA TEAMS do in 40 minutes of basketball.

Hawkeye15
05-06-2014, 07:50 PM
I didn't mean to call you out at all, it's just that the title was a little misleading. Whenever the wolves finally make the playoffs again I will be hyped up as well if we play like the clips last night. Overall his performances was amazing no matter how you are looking at it statistically (you mentioned TS%, ortg, points per possession). Overall he dissected the defense creating easy shots for others while also putting on a shooting clinic.

I just hope I am alive...

b@llhog24
05-06-2014, 10:46 PM
Was unreal to watch.

b@llhog24
05-06-2014, 10:47 PM
I just hope I am alive...






Better write your will buddy.

NBA_Starter
05-06-2014, 10:51 PM
What a boss performance, hopefully he can keep it up at anywhere near that level.

JEDean89
05-06-2014, 10:59 PM
every year everyone talks about d-rose (when healthy), westbrook, curry and the other sexy names but paul and tony parker seperate themselves in the offseason. the best two pg's in this league hands down.

Chronz
05-06-2014, 11:24 PM
Agree mngopher. I am pulling for them in the West.

It stands out a LOT more than any of the others in the fact that he isn't a catch and shoot like I said, but a guy who dominates the ball (not a bad thing, he's a point guard), and distributes. Assists don't help, turnovers hurt on this stat. Amazing game and I hope he keeps it up. I have been a little down on his play in past playoffs (think he tried to get away from who he is a bit) but this year he's been a blast to watch.

Thats so odd, as a fan of the Clippers, I've never felt like he was less impactfull than hes been this year, up until last nights game I was generally worried.

mngopher35
05-07-2014, 12:17 AM
Thats so odd, as a fan of the Clippers, I've never felt like he was less impactfull than hes been this year, up until last nights game I was generally worried.

Well game 7 he played very good too, but outside of the last two games he had seemed sub par. Hopefully he is all set to continue this recent play throughout the rest of the playoffs. Not sure if it was the hammy or what.

mngopher35
05-07-2014, 12:20 AM
I just hope I am alive...

Less than 365 days to go! :)

smith&wesson
05-07-2014, 12:45 AM
obviously he will come back down to earth but dam the boy was just on fuego that game. its was crazy to watch. Durant was so frustrated

IKnowHoops
05-07-2014, 06:59 AM
Its funny because hes been playing rather pedestrian by his standards so I was expecting a return to the mean at some point, I just didn't expect it to happen like this (His efficiency on average is pretty much now back to CP3 levels after this game). Not sure how I feel on this, on one hand, its great to have a historic performance to guarantee victory, but you kind of rather see him return to normalcy one game at a time because such overkill only counts for 1 win. Maybe Im being too paranoid/analytical, but I wouldn't be surprised if CP3 has a 4/13 game at some point this series after this game. Heres hoping last night was just a sign of CP3 getting healthier or zoned in.

When Open, CP3's 3pt ball goes in a lot. He doesn't shoot enough of them IMO for how good it is. Hopefully this is a wakeup call for him to shoot it more when he's open. He could really be one of the most deadly 3pt shooters in the game if he focused on it more, and it would just open up his game and the clippers offense that much more.

BobbyHillSwag
05-07-2014, 07:23 AM
He had a great game but it definitely wasn't the greatest offensive game. Though ,per possession ,seems funny that anyone would care about stats like that. He had a tremendous game though as the best pg in our league today.

FYL_McVeezy
05-07-2014, 09:56 AM
http://m.newsok.com/oklahoma-city-thunder-chris-paul-had-a-game-for-the-ages/article/4746665

It was tallied at 2 points per possession. Look at the other listed all time great scoring games. Paul is also the only player to have this statistical game period was Jordan once in 1991 and it wasn't in less than 30 minutes. That was a game for the ages. Best of his career.

Helluva game by Paul but you guys really need Blake to do his fair share. CP is not gonna shoot lights out the whole series.....

FYL_McVeezy
05-07-2014, 09:58 AM
There are so many individual stat/accolades/first player in nba history to do this that/one of 4 nba players to this and that/etc in the game right now. So individualistic.

Basketball is a team game goodness have we forgotten that? What stat is next lemme guess- x is the only player in nba history to have slept with another player's momma?

Uhhhh, I thought Delonte West owned that stat already?

KnicksorBust
05-07-2014, 11:15 AM
http://m.newsok.com/oklahoma-city-thunder-chris-paul-had-a-game-for-the-ages/article/4746665

It was tallied at 2 points per possession. Look at the other listed all time great scoring games. Paul is also the only player to have this statistical game period was Jordan once in 1991 and it wasn't in less than 30 minutes. That was a game for the ages. Best of his career.

Pretty impressive. I liked the historic games they chronicled in the article as a reference point.

KnicksorBust
05-07-2014, 11:17 AM
so points per usage is points divided by shot attempts + 2 free throw attempts + turnovers

ie Paul had 32 points on 14 shots, 2 turnovers, no foul shots. 32 points /16 gives us his 2 points per posession...

Bruce Bowen had a 32 minute game where he was 10-12 for 27 points with no turnovers or foul shots. Doesn't that mean he has a 2.25

Derek Fisher.. 41 minute game. 13 shots, 28 points 1 free throw, 0 turnovers. 28 points on 13.5 posessions, aka 2.07 points per posession

Battier for the heat. 8 shots, 0 turnovers, 0 foul shots, and 18 points. 2.25 per posession.

Raef LaFrentz, 9 shots, 22 points, 0 turnovers, 0 free throws 2.44 points per posession.

I also get Jamario Moon and Voshon Lenard there with the 20-30 minute playing time group.

And this makes Paxson and Kerr the best bulls playoff performers. Kerr had a 3 point per possession game in 13 minutes and a 2 point per posession one in 17, which I believe makes him the only player to have multiple playoff games with at least 2 points per posession.



Not sure that is how it works, but that's how the article explains it does. I just can't put all my trust in a stat that says Bowen, Battier, Radmonovic, Thunder Dan, and Fisher are the 6 greatest playoff performers ever with Raef Lafrentz leading the pack.

Edit... wait I get Horry in there a couple times.. For 30+ minutes 2 points plus per posession I also found Kevin Gamble, Found another Battier (35 minutes 9 points 2 shots 3 foul shots, 0 turnovers is 2.57 points per posession, possibly the best ever), Maurice Evans, Damon Jones, Peja Stojakovic...

What does make CP3's one amazing is he isn't a catch and shoot, but a distributor... but again just showing the flaw in the stat here.

But the idea that a 9 point game is as valuable as a 32 point game just because it's fractions of a point more efficient is a stretch in logic.

I think this "Point Per Possession" stat is interesting but the amazing thing about Paul's game is that his "historic statistical games" doesn't even factor in the 10 assists. To me that catapults the performance up a notch. He didn't just have a lights out shooting game he also continued to play like a true PG and use his hot shooting to set up his teammates. That's pretty damn impressive.

Clippersfan86
05-07-2014, 01:15 PM
Helluva game by Paul but you guys really need Blake to do his fair share. CP is not gonna shoot lights out the whole series.....

Agreed. I said to Chronz on page 1 or 2 of this thread that all this game really does over the course of the series is force OKC's gameplan to adjust, opening up the paint for Blake and DJ to dominate more. The gameplan of OKC was clearly to pack the paint on our bigs and lucky for us CP3+our shooters destroyed their soul for doing so. As long as the shooters keep hitting, the paint will start loosening up.

Clippers aren't a one dimensional offense. Some games they love a 120+ point perimeter based shootout, sometimes they drop 60+ points in the paint on you. This is very much a pick your poison offense (similar to Spurs).

Blake and DJ had subpar games. Tonight they need to dominate.

Chronz
05-07-2014, 02:00 PM
When Open, CP3's 3pt ball goes in a lot. He doesn't shoot enough of them IMO for how good it is. Hopefully this is a wakeup call for him to shoot it more when he's open. He could really be one of the most deadly 3pt shooters in the game if he focused on it more, and it would just open up his game and the clippers offense that much more.

Before this year, I would have agreed with you, but his range has been steadily decreasing, his mid range game is juicy but teams hardly leave him open from there, whereas they dont really care to contest his 3pt shot. I've never seen teams go under his screens as often as they have this year, teams are slowly learning not to respect his jumper anymore IMO. Zach Lowe commented on it earlier in the year, when he returned from his injury, he was just clanking at like 30% for awhile, it is what it is, hes just not a great enough threat out there anymore. But Ill admit it looks like hes been working on it lately, right before the playoffs started he began taking and making more 3's. Dont really know what to make of it but I hope teams try to take away his 3 the way we did with Curry, if you play CP3 like that, he will utterly destroy defenses. If Im OKC, I let CP3 prove he can destroy me from out there 1 more time. Knowing Brooks, he will tighten up the defense and do what he should have done from G1, sick Thabo on CP3.

Method28
05-07-2014, 03:18 PM
When Open, CP3's 3pt ball goes in a lot. He doesn't shoot enough of them IMO for how good it is. Hopefully this is a wakeup call for him to shoot it more when he's open. He could really be one of the most deadly 3pt shooters in the game if he focused on it more, and it would just open up his game and the clippers offense that much more.

Before this year, I would have agreed with you, but his range has been steadily decreasing, his mid range game is juicy but teams hardly leave him open from there, whereas they dont really care to contest his 3pt shot. I've never seen teams go under his screens as often as they have this year, teams are slowly learning not to respect his jumper anymore IMO. Zach Lowe commented on it earlier in the year, when he returned from his injury, he was just clanking at like 30% for awhile, it is what it is, hes just not a great enough threat out there anymore. But Ill admit it looks like hes been working on it lately, right before the playoffs started he began taking and making more 3's. Dont really know what to make of it but I hope teams try to take away his 3 the way we did with Curry, if you play CP3 like that, he will utterly destroy defenses. If Im OKC, I let CP3 prove he can destroy me from out there 1 more time. Knowing Brooks, he will tighten up the defense and do what he should have done from G1, sick Thabo on CP3.

Well I believe his injury had a great deal to with the way teams are playing him. Before his injury he was top 2 for MVP if everyone remembers correctly.

He's obviously laboring and playing through pain the second half of the year. Until game 7 vs GSW he has not looked like Cp3.

Idk if he's taking cortisone shots before game 7 of the gsw series and game 1 of the Okc series but he looks to be moving rather well again.

Either way, Paul is a guy who does not NEED to score in bunches because of the quality he brings in every other aspect of his game.

Chronz
05-07-2014, 03:39 PM
Well I believe his injury had a great deal to with the way teams are playing him. Before his injury he was top 2 for MVP if everyone remembers correctly.

He's obviously laboring and playing through pain the second half of the year. Until game 7 vs GSW he has not looked like Cp3.

Idk if he's taking cortisone shots before game 7 of the gsw series and game 1 of the Okc series but he looks to be moving rather well again.

Either way, Paul is a guy who does not NEED to score in bunches because of the quality he brings in every other aspect of his game.
Agreed 100%, his play before the injury was a thing of pure beauty and hes not been the same since. When he first got hurt I was actually kind of relieved, I thought he could use the break and that he would be fresher for the playoffs with enough time to round back into form. But then he came back hesitant, then the injuries from such a layoff mounted. In the end it may well end up being a blessing if the injuries subside and hes actually in peak form for the final rounds. All I know is if we can close OKC out before SAS closes out Portland, CP3's hammy will be very grateful.

Method28
05-07-2014, 04:42 PM
Well I believe his injury had a great deal to with the way teams are playing him. Before his injury he was top 2 for MVP if everyone remembers correctly.

He's obviously laboring and playing through pain the second half of the year. Until game 7 vs GSW he has not looked like Cp3.

Idk if he's taking cortisone shots before game 7 of the gsw series and game 1 of the Okc series but he looks to be moving rather well again.

Either way, Paul is a guy who does not NEED to score in bunches because of the quality he brings in every other aspect of his game.
Agreed 100%, his play before the injury was a thing of pure beauty and hes not been the same since. When he first got hurt I was actually kind of relieved, I thought he could use the break and that he would be fresher for the playoffs with enough time to round back into form. But then he came back hesitant, then the injuries from such a layoff mounted. In the end it may well end up being a blessing if the injuries subside and hes actually in peak form for the final rounds. All I know is if we can close OKC out before SAS closes out Portland, CP3's hammy will be very grateful.

Absolutely! I'd love nothing more to see the Clips step on the throat of OKC. Cannot let them get back into rhythm the way Memphis did.

Maintaining home court will be as important for the Clips now more than ever. The knock a lot of analysts had on them was their lack of impressive road wins. Welp, we got one on Monday so hopefully Cp3 can make the right swing choices as the Okc defense will surely be focused on him