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LTBaByyy
05-03-2014, 03:22 PM
Will Harden and Howard be just an elite regular season team and always be knocked out of the playoffs in the 1st round like TMac and Yao Ming?

Yes the West is tough but I just don't think they have a half court game or every will with Harden and Howard as your top 2 guys

They get all their points on free throws (Harden & Howard) and alley oops (Howard) but those don't happen nearly as much in the playoffs

Vinylman
05-03-2014, 03:29 PM
until they learn to play D the rockets won't win anything...

so it's up to Morey to revamp the roster... having the youngest roster in the playoffs is nothing to be proud of. Veteran role players are key to championships... just look at any team that has won the chip in recent memory.

Goose17
05-03-2014, 03:29 PM
One season. Too early to tell. Young team, room to improve, trade assets, two players in the top 3 of their position, lots of talent, lots of potential.

I believe they will work it out. I don't see them winning a championship with the way that they are currently built, they're still missing a piece in that starting 5 and they need to make big changes to that bench. But I think they're a solid team and will have some nice runs before it's all over.

archdevil84
05-03-2014, 03:40 PM
harden the defensive juggernaut

Bruno
05-03-2014, 03:43 PM
maybe the west is that stacked. but i'd say howard and harden will get out of the first round eventually.

houstonfan
05-03-2014, 03:50 PM
Yao and Tmac had they stayed healthy wouldve been better than Harden/Howard. IMO if T-Mac and Yao are healthy in 2008-09 season we win the championship. Took the Lakers to 7 games without them. Its kind of weird to compare the two pairs considering one has played one season together and the other was injured every single year.

I sure hope Harden and Howard stay healthy and dont end up like Tmac and Yao though. I do think Morey will make some moves and make this team a WCF or NBA Finals team soon. Still way too early to tell.

BenFrank
05-03-2014, 03:51 PM
We need to start with a coaching change, and Yao and T-Mac was injured over half the time so they could never build any chemistry.. its just year one between these 2 and they had the 2nd best record in Rockets history.. there gonna be better than Yao and T-Mac and possibly win a chip' if they get another superstar, after they trade Asik, Lin, and Parsons.. but we also need a better bench.. so it's pretty much 1 step at a time..

Asik's better
05-03-2014, 04:16 PM
Yao and Tmac had they stayed healthy wouldve been better than Harden/Howard. IMO if T-Mac and Yao are healthy in 2008-09 season we win the championship. Took the Lakers to 7 games without them. Its kind of weird to compare the two pairs considering one has played one season together and the other was injured every single year.

I sure hope Harden and Howard stay healthy and dont end up like Tmac and Yao though. I do think Morey will make some moves and make this team a WCF or NBA Finals team soon. Still way too early to tell.
This. It's only year one. Too early to make comparisons.

P&GRealist
05-03-2014, 04:34 PM
until they learn to play D the rockets won't win anything...

so it's up to Morey to revamp the roster... having the youngest roster in the playoffs is nothing to be proud of. Veteran role players are key to championships... just look at any team that has won the chip in recent memory.

But old vets don't fit aren't under Morey advanced stats ball. :(

P&GRealist
05-03-2014, 04:37 PM
This. It's only year one. Too early to make comparisons.
The Lakers with Dwight got ousted in the first round last yr


The Rockets without Dwight got ousted in the first round last yr

The Rockets with Dwight got ousted in the first round this yr.


When you already have a first round exit team, and you add a player who couldn't lead his 2 previous teams out of the first round (in these last few yrs), what did you think was going to happen?

DaBossLaker04
05-03-2014, 04:41 PM
We need to start with a coaching change, and Yao and T-Mac was injured over half the time so they could never build any chemistry.. its just year one between these 2 and they had the 2nd best record in Rockets history.. there gonna be better than Yao and T-Mac and possibly win a chip' if they get another superstar, after they trade Asik, Lin, and Parsons.. but we also need a better bench.. so it's pretty much 1 step at a time..

I would think y'all would want to keep Parsons. I think he could probably be the best role player in the league... if not a future all star at best. Just my thought tho.

Hawkeye15
05-03-2014, 05:08 PM
they are a young team, in year 1. They will be better next season.

shep33
05-03-2014, 05:21 PM
until they learn to play D the rockets won't win anything...

so it's up to Morey to revamp the roster... having the youngest roster in the playoffs is nothing to be proud of. Veteran role players are key to championships... just look at any team that has won the chip in recent memory.

I agree. The young players will get better, but they need some vets in there and perhaps a defensive stopper on the wing.

2-ONE-5
05-03-2014, 05:28 PM
Will Harden and Howard be just an elite regular season team and always be knocked out of the playoffs in the 1st round like TMac and Yao Ming?

Yes the West is tough but I just don't think they have a half court game or every will with Harden and Howard as your top 2 guys

They get all their points on free throws (Harden & Howard) and alley oops (Howard) but those don't happen nearly as much in the playoffs

this is just inaccurate

goku
05-03-2014, 05:30 PM
well u have to look at the fact that Yao and T-mac could never stay healthy ...Yao being 7'6 and T-mac chronic back injuries that wore him down luckily harden and Howard seem too be more durable for an nba season

shen
05-03-2014, 05:30 PM
I would think y'all would want to keep Parsons. I think he could probably be the best role player in the league... if not a future all star at best. Just my thought tho.

Every GM in the league has told Rockets they wont even talk about trades involving Asik or Lin unless Parsons is involved thanks to Asik's and Lin's contracts.

goku
05-03-2014, 05:32 PM
Will Harden and Howard be just an elite regular season team and always be knocked out of the playoffs in the 1st round like TMac and Yao Ming?

Yes the West is tough but I just don't think they have a half court game or every will with Harden and Howard as your top 2 guys

They get all their points on free throws (Harden & Howard) and alley oops (Howard) but those don't happen nearly as much in the playoffs

Transtion an 3s u mean.......................... we lead the league in free throws not scored all our points

P&GRealist
05-03-2014, 05:42 PM
they are a young team, in year 1. They will be better next season.

Yes, we know how young teams have prospered in the long run. right?


That thinking and taking the present for granted gets you nowhere. And then unpredictability hits you in the face.



Look at the overhyped Roy/Aldridge/Oden/RudyFernandez Blazers and how everyone said they would be contenders for yrs to come. It's okay, they're young. But injuries to Roy/Oden crushed those hopes and dreams.


Look at the overhyped KD/Westy/Harden/JeffGreen OKC Thunder. Oh, so they lost to the Lakers in the first round of 2010. No worries. They're still young, they have many yrs to get it together. Then Jeff Green all of a sudden becomes an overweight ugly Kendrick Perkins while James Harden's beard gets sent to Houston for essentially Jeremy Lamb (a guy who hasn't even seen much playoff time).


So now we come to the Harden/Lin/Parson/Dwight Rockets. Maybe Lin and Asik get traded, maybe Dwight down the line re-aggravates that serious career threatening back injury, maybe Parsons gets his big pay day elsewhere 2-3 yrs down the line, or Morey decides to trade him.



Nothing is for sure. You have to take advantage now!

Greg.
05-03-2014, 05:47 PM
Every GM in the league has told Rockets they wont even talk about trades involving Asik or Lin unless Parsons is involved thanks to Asik's and Lin's contracts.

Glad you can make up your own rumors

P&GRealist
05-03-2014, 05:53 PM
Glad you can make up your own rumors

Well, that was the whole premise of the attempted Rondo deal. Ainge was willing to take on one of those crappy contracts of Asik/Lin if Parsons was part of the package.


Not sure why you're getting so sore on the guy.

Vinylman
05-03-2014, 06:01 PM
Serious question for Houston fans...

Isn't it logical to move Parsons at some point? Is the team really going to want to pay him his market value when he is a UFA? The team has plenty of scoring and really need to add depth and defensive specialists

just wondering

P&GRealist
05-03-2014, 06:04 PM
Serious question for Houston fans...

Isn't it logical to move Parsons at some point? Is the team really going to want to pay him his market value when he is a UFA? The team has plenty of scoring and really need to add depth and defensive specialists

just wondering

No way dude. The guy is young, athletic and looks like 1999 Justin Timberlake. That alone should make him a viable piece to a championship.

PurpleLynch
05-03-2014, 06:24 PM
Nope.They still have a lot of time to improve(still year 1) and they can move and get any piece for the championship.
They should add some defensive minded vets and hire a new coach. Lin's contract is a pain in the *** though.

ILLUSIONIST^248
05-03-2014, 07:22 PM
Will Harden and Howard be just an elite regular season team and always be knocked out of the playoffs in the 1st round like TMac and Yao Ming?

Yes the West is tough but I just don't think they have a half court game or every will with Harden and Howard as your top 2 guys

They get all their points on free throws (Harden & Howard) and alley oops (Howard) but those don't happen nearly as much in the playoffs I say yes

NBA_Starter
05-03-2014, 07:33 PM
Time will tell but after only one year together is kind of a small sample size.

Asik's better
05-03-2014, 07:56 PM
But old vets don't fit aren't under Morey advanced stats ball. :(
Seriously, as I said before, you have a weird obsession with Morey. I mean Morey isn't a great looking guy but whatever floats your boat right.

The Lakers with Dwight got ousted in the first round last yr


The Rockets without Dwight got ousted in the first round last yr

The Rockets with Dwight got ousted in the first round this yr.


When you already have a first round exit team, and you add a player who couldn't lead his 2 previous teams out of the first round (in these last few yrs), what did you think was going to happen?
This isn't a valid response response to my post. At least put a little effort in you trolling. I mean take a little pride in your work. Your just being lazy.

utl768
05-03-2014, 08:02 PM
they need a strong defensive player preferably at SF

Crackadalic
05-03-2014, 08:03 PM
Still young too early to tell

I still feel there missing one more piece. Just not sure what that is

Upgrade at pg?
Rebounding stretch 4?

JordansBulls
05-03-2014, 08:18 PM
They need a better PF.

Trwood12
05-04-2014, 03:08 AM
harden the defensive juggernaut

Hah

Aust
05-04-2014, 03:56 AM
Who knows, maybe. Too soon, give em some more time.

Verbal Christ
05-04-2014, 12:36 PM
Yet another ba5tard thread disguised as some legitimate question to give Howard dick riders a place to keep playing the jilted lover. Ridiculous troll material to try and compare a 5 year window to the first year Howard and Harden played together. OP should get a clue and just start a Rocket hate thread that is straight to the point instead.

Lakers + Giants
05-04-2014, 12:50 PM
Well, that escalated quickly.

Tony_Starks
05-04-2014, 03:31 PM
Yao was better. T Mac was waaaaaay better. These guys shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath with T Mac and Yao....

Tony_Starks
05-04-2014, 03:32 PM
Yet another ba5tard thread disguised as some legitimate question to give Howard dick riders a place to keep playing the jilted lover. Ridiculous troll material to try and compare a 5 year window to the first year Howard and Harden played together. OP should get a clue and just start a Rocket hate thread that is straight to the point instead.

Tell em why you mad son!

Verbal Christ
05-04-2014, 03:42 PM
Tell em why you mad son!

repost your last 100 or so posts and we can start from there! Stepson!

Chronz
05-04-2014, 03:49 PM
The duo isn't as dominant together but they should have more success in time.

Tony_Starks
05-04-2014, 03:52 PM
repost your last 100 or so posts and we can start from there! Stepson!

I didn't start the thread, a Mavs fan did. Chill out, enjoy the playoffs....

Verbal Christ
05-04-2014, 04:08 PM
I didn't start the thread, a Mavs fan did. Chill out, enjoy the playoffs....

I am enjoying these playoffs immensely homeslice! My Rockets let me down, but It was an entertaining series, as are most others. Knicks didn't look too bad either. Good stuff

goku
05-04-2014, 04:19 PM
Yao was better. T Mac was waaaaaay better. These guys shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath with T Mac and Yao....

its year one comparing the 2 don't even make sense especially with the injuries T-mac and yao went through if Harden and Howard stay healthy should surpass anything Yao and t-mac did

Tony_Starks
05-04-2014, 04:29 PM
I am enjoying these playoffs immensely homeslice! My Rockets let me down, but It was an entertaining series, as are most others. Knicks didn't look too bad either. Good stuff

Right on! I'm a Laker fan btw, I'm just watching because I love basketball at this point.

P&GRealist
05-04-2014, 04:37 PM
This thread is a slap in the face to TMac and Yao

goku
05-04-2014, 04:47 PM
This thread is a slap in the face to TMac and Yao

considering that they never got to 54 wins or advanced out the 1st round together....I don't even see how it is I understand they a were prolly more likeable guys since most of you hate Harden and Howard with a passion but this thread is about 2-3 yrs too early

Chronz
05-04-2014, 05:06 PM
its year one comparing the 2 don't even make sense especially with the injuries T-mac and yao went through if Harden and Howard stay healthy should surpass anything Yao and t-mac did

considering that they never got to 54 wins or advanced out the 1st round together....I don't even see how it is I understand they a were prolly more likeable guys since most of you hate Harden and Howard with a passion but this thread is about 2-3 yrs too early

Its about peak performance there, years served are a different argument, but you cant honestly watch them both perform and realize whats been obvious. Those 2 were much better than the current duo. Harden and Dwight have proven to be more durable so theres that but come playoffs, I have more faith in the older duo and it has nothing to do with likability.

Dwight and Harden have a MUCH better core around them than Tmac had when he ran with Wesley and Juwan Howard as primary outlet options. Even though they had each other, I would argue that both Tmac and Yao carried a greater offensive responsibility than Harden.

PowerHouse
05-04-2014, 05:58 PM
Knowing how much of a sore loser/crybaby Dwight is, he will most likely jump ship long before these duos are comparable.

blahblahyoutoo
05-04-2014, 07:09 PM
can someone tell me why the best SG and the best C, undoubtedly the 2 most important positions in bball, couldn't get out of the first round?

KingOf215
05-04-2014, 07:35 PM
can someone tell me why the best SG and the best C, undoubtedly the 2 most important positions in bball, couldn't get out of the first round?

Because the game has evolved to a point where overrated players (namely ball hogs at the SG position & default best C due to lack of Cs) does not guarantee a trip past the first round.

PowerHouse
05-04-2014, 07:57 PM
can someone tell me why the best SG and the best C, undoubtedly the 2 most important positions in bball, couldn't get out of the first round?

They need a better head coach.

Iron24th
05-05-2014, 05:41 PM
They need a coach, a defensive SF, a true PG, a better bench and Harden better stop choking on big stage, seems like a very big to do list to improve significantly anytime soon.

P&GRealist
05-05-2014, 05:43 PM
can someone tell me why the best SG and the best C, undoubtedly the 2 most important positions in bball, couldn't get out of the first round?

Because they're not the best SG and the best C.

Or shall I say one is yet to hold that title while the other hasn't been one for 3 yrs now.

goku
05-05-2014, 05:46 PM
Because they're not the best SG and the best C.

Or shall I say one is yet to hold that title while the other hasn't been one for 3 yrs now.

lol

L8kers4life
05-05-2014, 06:04 PM
repost your last 100 or so posts and we can start from there! Stepson!

Dude your way too sensitive, this is what it is like to be a Lakers fan, everyone hates them including you, but there is no hate for the Rockets, just a lot of people pointing out, that people like you were claiming the Rockets were contenders, and you guys were wrong, thats all. Just because the Rockets arent as good as some of your fan base thinks they are, does not mean questions like this should not be asked. Think of the hate ther Lakers got for not resigning Dwight, or sucking last year with Dwight, it's a forum, people discuss things, that's what these forums are for, get over it Nephew, you sound angry.:mad:

Shlumpledink
05-05-2014, 06:21 PM
Yao and TMac joined each other too late in their careers. Dwight and Harden don't have that excuse