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metswon69
05-01-2014, 02:51 AM
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When: May 2nd, 2014
Time: 7:00 PM
Where: Consol Energy Center
Channel: NBCS, CBC, RDS


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When: May 4th, 2014
Time: 7:30 PM
Where: Consol Energy Center
Channel: CBC, RDS, NBCSN

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When: May 5th, 2014
Time: 7:30 PM
Where: Madison Square Garden
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When: May 7th, 2014
Time: 7:30 PM
Where: Madison Square Garden
Channel: CBC, RDS, NBCSN


IF NECESSARY

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When: May 9th, 2014
Time: TBD
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When: May 11th, 2014
Time: TBD
Where: Madison Square Garden
Channel: TBD


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Rangers @Penguins
When: May 13th, 2014
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Where: Consol Energy Center
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mudvayne387
05-02-2014, 02:03 PM
-Stay out of the box
- Block Shots
- Shoot as much as you can on Fleury

I know these things may seem elementary, but they are all musts if the Rangers are going to beat the Penguins.

Fleury is the definition of a hot/cold goaltender. He is easily rattled but I've also seen him win games single handedly.

No one is giving the Rangers much of a chance in this series. Time for them to prove everyone wrong and shock the hockey world. It can be done if they stick to the game plan, these aren't Tort's Rangers ...

Tomahawk27
05-02-2014, 04:02 PM
Good luck this series Ranger fans. I know your "bigger guns" haven't been scoring much, which actually worries me lol. I don't want them to find their stride against us. That, and the fact that you have Lundqvist

nyr2002nyr
05-02-2014, 04:13 PM
Good luck this series Ranger fans. I know your "bigger guns" haven't been scoring much, which actually worries me lol. I don't want them to find their stride against us. That, and the fact that you have Lundqvist

Same to you bud. Im sure we will all be pulling hair out this series

SLY WILLIAMS
05-02-2014, 05:49 PM
Good luck this series Ranger fans. I know your "bigger guns" haven't been scoring much, which actually worries me lol. I don't want them to find their stride against us. That, and the fact that you have Lundqvist

I will say good luck back but since I want my Rangers to win so I'm not sure what I'm wishing. :)

In the past I was all about "playoff hockey" but after playing the Flyers I'd rather see more hockey and less slashing in this series.

bsi
05-02-2014, 07:48 PM
Great start for us..Hank has been great too but our 4th line is awesome once again

Mr Costanza
05-02-2014, 08:34 PM
Of course the stick never touch the puck. His stick was slashing Hank in the head.

Mr Costanza
05-02-2014, 08:38 PM
Goalie interference if I ever saw it before.

Mr Costanza
05-02-2014, 08:43 PM
If they don't turn this power play around Pitt is going to take this series with ease. This is a huge issue.

Mr Costanza
05-02-2014, 10:06 PM
Whew!! Now can someone answer this for me

Had they not scored there could Brassards goal been reviewed at the next whistle or is it not eligible because play didn't stop?

bsi
05-02-2014, 10:14 PM
It could have been reviewed but I always wonder what would happen if Pits went the other way and scored. ...they likely wouldn't review it IMO.

jimm120
05-02-2014, 10:15 PM
Great!

Game 1 done! On to the next one :)

jimm120
05-02-2014, 10:15 PM
Goalie interference if I ever saw it before.

and yeah, that was a huge interference non-call. can't believe they didn't call it.

Still, I don't think Henrik stops the puck either way.

SLY WILLIAMS
05-02-2014, 11:16 PM
Have we set a record this season for goals not counting? :D

5 down 11 to go. :)

Beltrans Mole
05-03-2014, 12:04 AM
Such a gritty win. Besides the second period we really outplayed them. That no-call on the goalie interference was nonsense. I can't stand Pierre McGuire, he hates the Rangers so much it's not even funny. He was saying how the refs "got it right"...**** you!

notoriousbig21
05-03-2014, 10:15 AM
omg MAF is so bad...just shoot the puck on him!!!!

great win, ive been waiting 6 years to avenge that 2008 series! had deja vu flashbacks of us blowing that 3-0 lead in game in 2008, thank god we pulled it out!

SLY WILLIAMS
05-03-2014, 10:30 AM
omg MAF is so bad...just shoot the puck on him!!!!

great win, ive been waiting 6 years to avenge that 2008 series! had deja vu flashbacks of us blowing that 3-0 lead in game in 2008, thank god we pulled it out!

You are right about MAF looked really bad at times last night. The crazy thing is that when MAF is on his game he is almost impossible to beat with his athleticism. You never know which MAF will show up.

MJL80
05-03-2014, 10:54 AM
Have we set a record this season for goals not counting? :D

5 down 11 to go. :)

Is that all?? lol

metswon69
05-03-2014, 05:27 PM
Amazing how no 2 goal lead has been safe in the playoffs this year. Watching the Bruins game today and they said twenty 2 goal leads have been blown already. Good to see the Rangers bounce back from a bad second period and that Zucs, Brassard, Pouliot line has been our best all playoff long. Love to see that.

Pouliot just has to do a better job staying out of the box. Wonder how AV is going to shift around the PP personnel as well?

notoriousbig21
05-03-2014, 05:31 PM
Amazing how no 2 goal lead has been safe in the playoffs this year. Watching the Bruins game today and they said twenty 2 goal leads have been blown already. Good to see the Rangers bounce back from a bad second period and that Zucs, Brassard, Pouliot line has been our best all playoff long. Love to see that.

Pouliot just has to do a better job staying out of the box. Wonder how AV is going to shift around the PP personnel as well?

Pp def in need of a shake up...so frustrating.

Also, all will be forgiven if Nash dominates tomorrow...bring it back to the garden up 2-0!!!! Place will be going bananas Monday night...Cmon boys LGR

SLY WILLIAMS
05-04-2014, 06:01 PM
Does not feel like a game day yet. I hope we are ready. Right now Malkin worries me but I like having Staals size and reach to go against him.

metswon69
05-04-2014, 07:57 PM
3rd PP in the first 8 minutes. Got to find a way to score.

fingerbang
05-04-2014, 08:55 PM
They need to get the puck to Nash on the pp. He's the strongest player on the puck and he doesn't even touch it.

jimm120
05-04-2014, 09:22 PM
I couldn't wait till that 2nd period was finished. What a horrible period!

t2a2e9j12
05-04-2014, 09:31 PM
Henrik is unreal. Any chance he skips rest of series just a request from a pens fan. good luck but go pens

J4KOP99
05-04-2014, 09:54 PM
I see the power play is still on fire

J4KOP99
05-04-2014, 10:03 PM
Steal this game

nyr2002nyr
05-04-2014, 10:07 PM
They need to get the puck to Nash on the pp. He's the strongest player on the puck and he doesn't even touch it.

And that line needs to be split up. It's creating nothing

Mr Costanza
05-04-2014, 10:07 PM
Stupid penalty there. Way to go Dorsett. 5 minutes to go down 1 so let's get an after the whistle call for good measure.

nyr2002nyr
05-04-2014, 10:08 PM
Nice dive by Kunitz. But Dorsett needs to know better with 5 minutes left in the game

nyr2002nyr
05-04-2014, 10:09 PM
Great penalty Dorsett.

Mr Costanza
05-04-2014, 10:09 PM
Completely on Dorsett there. Bench him next game. I don't care who gets his spot.

J4KOP99
05-04-2014, 10:10 PM
That's more like it. Kunitz is an absolute jack *** btw. When you have a guy on your team who badly suffered from a horrible head injury, why would you try and fake one? Have some self respect

fingerbang
05-04-2014, 10:12 PM
Bad game, they're tired.

nyr2002nyr
05-04-2014, 10:12 PM
That's more like it. Kunitz is an absolute jack *** btw. When you have a guy on your team who badly suffered from a horrible head injury, why would you try and fake one? Have some self respect


That's what that whole team does!

nyr2002nyr
05-04-2014, 10:13 PM
Bad game, they're tired.

If that was "tired" I can't wait until tomorrow's game.

nyr2002nyr
05-04-2014, 10:14 PM
The Stepan line has zero Chemistry

Mr Costanza
05-04-2014, 10:14 PM
My god. Getting shut out by Fluery. How embarrassing... Obviously they are tired and traveling tonight for a game tomorrow won't help.

fingerbang
05-04-2014, 10:16 PM
Blanked by Fleury.

fingerbang
05-04-2014, 10:18 PM
The Stepan line has zero Chemistry

Probably because Stepan just makes a lot of ****** plays with the puck.

NYC DRUMMER
05-04-2014, 10:26 PM
typical ranger response to a game one win............ lay back and let the penguins totally command the whole game . then hit the f^%k outa us and we did s&^t......................... series over guys . very dissapointed

Redfish
05-04-2014, 10:44 PM
Great penalty Dorsett.

I actually thought either it was not a penalty, or a penalty to Dorsett along with one to Kunitz for embellishment. He moved his head around like a bobble-head and went easily into the boards; didn't seem like much of a push.

It doesn't really matter though; sure the Rangers could have tied it and ultimately won, but it did not seem to be heading that way at all. We really didn't get many quality shots on Fleury.

I watched McDonagh toward the end of the game and thought to myself there is no way he can make it through another series; he is struggling with his injury.

Nash/MSL/Stepan were all duds tonight.

Hank was "all world" though -- could have easily been 4-0 midway through the 3rd period.

Next game!

SLY WILLIAMS
05-04-2014, 10:48 PM
Neal got away with 3-5 penalties a shift. Somebody should send a tape to the league and ask about that.

I can not believe they have to play again tomorrow.

metswon69
05-04-2014, 10:59 PM
Neal got away with 3-5 penalties a shift. Somebody should send a tape to the league and ask about that.

I can not believe they have to play again tomorrow.

Gotta love the NHL schedule makers. That said, they did their job. They took home ice away from Pittsburgh, now its time to defend their turf. We all knew the Penguins were going to be much tougher in game 2 so it would have been gravy to take the first 2 games but this still has 6-7 games written all over it again.

As Sly and others know, nothing is easy in the NHL playoffs, especially at this juncture. They got outplayed tonight and didn't put any pressure on Fleury. Basically Lundqvist kept them in that game like Redfish said.

bsi
05-04-2014, 11:02 PM
Tired team and a brutal schedule is to blame for this one, I can't imagine tomorrow will be any better, the only hope we have is that the Pens get a little tired from the back to back too. It's time to work Nash back over to RW, Richy, Stepan, Nash then put Zuc, Brassard, St.Louis together, Hagelin, Moore, Pouliot, Dorsett, Boyle, Carcillo/Miller. I know it's not ideal but I think Nash being on the LW is hurting him like it hurt St.Louis earlier so we aren't seeing any benefit from it. We gotta change something, that first line has been stale for a while.

SLY WILLIAMS
05-04-2014, 11:11 PM
Gotta love the NHL schedule makers. That said, they did their job. They took home ice away from Pittsburgh, now its time to defend their turf. We all knew the Penguins were going to be much tougher in game 2 so it would have been gravy to take the first 2 games but this still has 6-7 games written all over it again.

As Sly and others know, nothing is easy in the NHL playoffs, especially at this juncture. They got outplayed tonight and didn't put any pressure on Fleury. Basically Lundqvist kept them in that game like Redfish said.

I'm more worried about the schedule than tonights loss. We never win game 2's so that is almost tradition, lol. Tonight was the first night in a long time that I had full confidence in Lundy. Guys are tired and hurting. McD has something going on. I do not think it is just his shoulder. Mats took a hard shot to the foot. Nash and MSL need a Don Maloney on their line to go in the corners to dig out the puck. Av took responsibility for the PP. I do not know if you guys noticed but they had Mats playing the opposite side boards on the PP tonight. I know why they did that but I think that is the opposite of what they should do. They should move him back to the right sideboards but they should mix in some right handed shots. Having all left handed shots on the ice at once takes away some one timer opportunities. I have no idea how these guys are going to travel and even put on their equipment tomorrow. The equipment guys better make sure it is dry. I might dress some fresh legs like JT.

nyr2002nyr
05-04-2014, 11:42 PM
I actually thought either it was not a penalty, or a penalty to Dorsett along with one to Kunitz for embellishment. He moved his head around like a bobble-head and went easily into the boards; didn't seem like much of a push.

It doesn't really matter though; sure the Rangers could have tied it and ultimately won, but it did not seem to be heading that way at all. We really didn't get many quality shots on Fleury.

I watched McDonagh toward the end of the game and thought to myself there is no way he can make it through another series; he is struggling with his injury.

Nash/MSL/Stepan were all duds tonight.

Hank was "all world" though -- could have easily been 4-0 midway through the 3rd period.

Next game!

I agree it wasn't a real hit and a dive but you can't with 5 minutes left take that chance after a whistle.

That line has been a dud for a while

nyr2002nyr
05-04-2014, 11:50 PM
Tired team and a brutal schedule is to blame for this one, I can't imagine tomorrow will be any better, the only hope we have is that the Pens get a little tired from the back to back too. It's time to work Nash back over to RW, Richy, Stepan, Nash then put Zuc, Brassard, St.Louis together, Hagelin, Moore, Pouliot, Dorsett, Boyle, Carcillo/Miller. I know it's not ideal but I think Nash being on the LW is hurting him like it hurt St.Louis earlier so we aren't seeing any benefit from it. We gotta change something, that first line has been stale for a while.

Totally agree on the lines changes. It's been flat and unproductive for way to long

nyr2002nyr
05-04-2014, 11:52 PM
typical ranger response to a game one win............ lay back and let the penguins totally command the whole game . then hit the f^%k outa us and we did s&^t......................... series over guys . very dissapointed

What are you a cubs fan? They just took 1 of 2 on the road against the divisions #1 seed and took over home ice advantage.

MJL80
05-05-2014, 06:39 AM
Not surprised that we stunk last night.... god forbid we play 2 good games in a row in the playoffs ever!!!

puckhead54
05-05-2014, 09:49 AM
Hey everyone CALM DOWN the series is even and we have home ice advantage. I feel Hank is going to steal one tonight to give them a boost and the series lead to wake up this team. Some of us are being far to negative we are RANGERS fans and as fans we should stand behind our team through thick & thin. History has proven that no 7 game series was won with 3 games you need 4 games to win no matter how you slice it. So I say LETS GO RANGERS we can do it.

nyr2002nyr
05-05-2014, 10:02 AM
Hey everyone CALM DOWN the series is even and we have home ice advantage. I feel Hank is going to steal one tonight to give them a boost and the series lead to wake up this team. Some of us are being far to negative we are RANGERS fans and as fans we should stand behind our team through thick & thin. History has proven that no 7 game series was won with 3 games you need 4 games to win no matter how you slice it. So I say LETS GO RANGERS we can do it.

Exactly you cant say "Series over" after 2 games and gettinga win on the road

notoriousbig21
05-05-2014, 10:06 AM
I'm just worried cause we looked dead tired last night and tonight will prob be even worse.

Beltrans Mole
05-05-2014, 10:08 AM
Well, I feel good about Henrik right now...he was simply amazing last night. The Pens could have easily scored 5-6 goals before the end of the 3rd period last night. I don't feel good about the offense as a whole, we just seem a little lost out there, especially on the PP. Anybody hear any news on Kreider?? Let's hope we can win tonight, I think we take another close game.

SLY WILLIAMS
05-05-2014, 10:28 AM
I still can not believe how many penalties on almost every shift Neal was allowed to get away with. Even PJ Stock was talking about it and showed video of it in between periods.

nyr2002nyr
05-05-2014, 10:55 AM
I still can not believe how many penalties on almost every shift Neal was allowed to get away with. Even PJ Stock was talking about it and showed video of it in between periods.

He always gets away with murder. For being suspended 3 times and fined another 3 they really let him get away with way to much

bsi
05-05-2014, 11:01 AM
Neal is one of the dirtier players in the league yet because he is a goal scorer he gets away with it.

SLY WILLIAMS
05-05-2014, 11:29 AM
The Rangers should either make their own tape of Neal or send the tape that PJ Stock commented on to the league. We can not have 1 guy get away with so much. The refs need to enforce the rules.

Redfish
05-05-2014, 12:05 PM
The Rangers should either make their own tape of Neal or send the tape that PJ Stock commented on to the league. We can not have 1 guy get away with so much. The refs need to enforce the rules.

I'd prefer the league shift back toward allowing players police themselves. If Neal is playing dirty vs the Rangers, we should take his head off and forget sending tape to the league. The league is so inconsistent and ineffective, actually. An exciting, young player in Tyson Barrie gets 4-6 weeks injury (which, for all we know, could result in another injury in future seasons) whereas a perennial offender in Matt Cooke gets suspended for 7 games?

If we injure Crosby for 4-6 weeks and Carcillo gets 7 games, the Rangers advance to the finals; bring in perhaps another $20mm to the bottom line, and have a shot at the Stanley Cup. And Carcillo won't be missed all that much.

Go figure.

NYC DRUMMER
05-05-2014, 02:56 PM
what are you a cubs fan? They just took 1 of 2 on the road against the divisions #1 seed and took over home ice advantage.

no , definately not a cubs fan, very much a die hard ranger fan. Watchin them get pushed and shoved around like that was not very encouraging. They were outplayed in every aspect of the game , im hoping it was just a bad day but pittsburgh looks nasty out there , real ,real good man !!!!!and if they dont figure out how to turn their power play around then you can forget then rest of this series

nyr2002nyr
05-05-2014, 03:10 PM
no , definately not a cubs fan, very much a die hard ranger fan. Watchin them get pushed and shoved around like that was not very encouraging. They were outplayed in every aspect of the game , im hoping it was just a bad day but pittsburgh looks nasty out there , real ,real good man !!!!!and if they dont figure out how to turn their power play around then you can forget then rest of this series

Its still early and we now have home ice man. Yes they looked flat but we have looked better and have also looked worse LOL

Last 3 teams to win the cup PP % in playoffs are

2013 Chicago 11.4 8 of 70
2012 LA Kings 12.8 12 of 94
2011 Bruins 11.4 10 of 88

MJL80
05-05-2014, 05:25 PM
Tonight........ we score a power play goal!!! :cheers:

notoriousbig21
05-05-2014, 05:50 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIW4Bsp9ZqQ

LETS GOOOOOOOOOO

Redfish
05-05-2014, 07:27 PM
Tonight........ we score a power play goal!!! :cheers:

...because we can!

Mr Costanza
05-05-2014, 07:50 PM
Garden will go nuts for a pp goal

J4KOP99
05-05-2014, 08:27 PM
I know things are tough with the pp but you still need to use some type of structure. Everyone can't just do what they want out there

J4KOP99
05-05-2014, 08:40 PM
Yup. Lets forget where Crosby is.

bsi
05-05-2014, 08:40 PM
This powerplay of ours is killing this team...friggin Sid.

bsi
05-05-2014, 08:41 PM
Please shoot the puck, enough with the behind the back and drop pass giveaways

J4KOP99
05-05-2014, 08:42 PM
This is a pathetic showing thus far from both our team and our crowd. It's absolutely dead in MSG

bsi
05-05-2014, 08:43 PM
Also...if any of you are at the game could you please start a Rangers chant of some sort the crowd is dead!

J4KOP99
05-05-2014, 08:43 PM
Please shoot the puck, enough with the behind the back and drop pass giveaways

Aka "the Marty St. Louis"

bsi
05-05-2014, 08:43 PM
This is a pathetic showing thus far from both our team and our crowd. It's absolutely dead in MSG

Worst crowd I have seen this playoffs.

bsi
05-05-2014, 08:44 PM
We need new lines....the first line is stale beyond belief. Edit, just saw Nash on with Hagelin and Richards, was that just the end of a line change or something new?

Mr Costanza
05-05-2014, 08:45 PM
^^Yup. It helter skelter out there. Poor passing and awareness.

J4KOP99
05-05-2014, 08:45 PM
MSG prices out the good fans. Same with the new Yankee stadium.

Neither have been great for years now.

J4KOP99
05-05-2014, 08:49 PM
The crowd needs to understand that the players feed off the energy. This is a very dangerous time.

Please tell me that went in but knowing our luck, I doubt it...

J4KOP99
05-05-2014, 08:49 PM
Lol, **** me

nyr2002nyr
05-05-2014, 08:52 PM
We need new lines....the first line is stale beyond belief. Edit, just saw Nash on with Hagelin and Richards, was that just the end of a line change or something new?

He did that before the game.

J4KOP99
05-05-2014, 09:01 PM
We have 1 reliable line right now

bsi
05-05-2014, 09:03 PM
He did that before the game.

Ok, missed most of the 1st. I get that they took Richards off the point on the pp, but why not replace Stepan with him, he's got a much better shot than Stepan.

J4KOP99
05-05-2014, 09:04 PM
Yup

J4KOP99
05-05-2014, 09:05 PM
I'm gonna say it now... We are done. Every single thing is turning against us.

J4KOP99
05-05-2014, 09:07 PM
We get absolutely no offense and I can't imagine things getting better considering this team won't be able to get much rest.

In order for us to beat Pitt, hank must be the consensus "best player on the ice" and I don't think he has that in him.

-where is our offense with av as coach?

Mr Costanza
05-05-2014, 09:08 PM
Sorry it's not bad luck when this happens continuously. Complete passes and **** like that doesn't happen EVERY GAME. Are these announcers paid to soften the blow for Ranger fans?? It's ok to criticize them when they screw up royally. Now I see what it was like watching TV in Soviet Russia.

bsi
05-05-2014, 09:11 PM
Switch Stepan and Moore please.

NYC DRUMMER
05-05-2014, 09:11 PM
this is really tough to watch...................not even competative

J4KOP99
05-05-2014, 09:12 PM
Stepan basically is the New York rangers. Good, but not good enough.

bsi
05-05-2014, 09:12 PM
We get absolutely no offense and I can't imagine things getting better considering this team won't be able to get much rest.

In order for us to beat Pitt, hank must be the consensus "best player on the ice" and I don't think he has that in him.

-where is our offense with av as coach?

He was last night...on cbc they had him as 2nd star ahead of the goalie at the other end who had a shutout. It's not a recipe for success with all the talent we have.

bsi
05-05-2014, 09:14 PM
Stepan basically is the New York rangers. Good, but not good enough.

Right now Stepan is holding back the first line, time to switch him out with Moore IMO, someone with speed.

Beltrans Mole
05-05-2014, 09:16 PM
I'm so angry right now, it's not even funny.

MJL80
05-05-2014, 09:40 PM
Tonight........ we score a power play goal!!! :cheers:

ok.... Nevermind the power play goal, I'll just take AAAAAA GOAL at this point!!

J4KOP99
05-05-2014, 09:46 PM
Does anyone in here have even the least bit of confidence that the rangers will come back?

mudvayne387
05-05-2014, 09:54 PM
You know not for nothing, but you could Fart on Fast and he would fall over. I think he may need to sacrifice a little speed and beef up in the offseason.

J4KOP99
05-05-2014, 09:57 PM
This is absolutely pathetic stuff. It doesn't matter who the coach is. This team simply cannot handle playoff hockey. Not big enough or tough enough. There is always some horse**** excuse come playoff time for when they can't score and their best players look like ****.

J4KOP99
05-05-2014, 10:03 PM
This team has given up.

J4KOP99
05-05-2014, 10:04 PM
Blame the schedule all you want but this team just does not have that killer instinct.

mudvayne387
05-05-2014, 10:13 PM
This team has given up.

Holy smokes , quit your whining. You act as if Pitt snuck into the playoffs , this is a team with 109 regular season points. They outshot them 35-15 !!! And don't dismiss the fact that they played 6 games in 9 days. Do you have any idea the wear and tear that puts on your body ?

Yes the PP sucks and they had a few lapses , but don't feed me that BS that they "gave up".

bsi
05-05-2014, 10:13 PM
Personally if Nash cant get things going this playoffs I am all about trading him, he is getting outplayed by Dominic Moore on this team, same goes for Stepan.

NYSPORTS98
05-05-2014, 10:21 PM
We've seen this against Pitt since the Lemieux days.

MJL80
05-05-2014, 10:25 PM
MSL has been invisible lately, McDonagh is not creating offensively, Girardi looks lost on the PP, Hagelin is blah, Fast & Miller suck, the 4th line hasn't been doing anything.... And Stepan is just HORRIBLE!!

No sense of urgency from this team at all. If I had to say anything positive, PP looked decent when Diaz was on the ice.

The Pens are beating us the way we've beat other teams this season... taking advantage of strong defensive play and PK with scoring chances, tightening things up defensively mid-way through the game, blocking shots, and solid play by Fleury.

Pissed that I dissed Jack Bauer to subject myself to this crap tonight...., just pissed off in general

MJL80
05-05-2014, 10:29 PM
and I cannot say this enough..... Stepan is horrible. This team needs a true #1 center to pair with Nash & MSL, Stepan brings nothing to the table

J4KOP99
05-05-2014, 10:39 PM
This team has given up.

Holy smokes , quit your whining. You act as if Pitt snuck into the playoffs , this is a team with 109 regular season points. They outshot them 35-15 !!! And don't dismiss the fact that they played 6 games in 9 days. Do you have any idea the wear and tear that puts on your body ?

Yes the PP sucks and they had a few lapses , but don't feed me that BS that they "gave up".

Every year there is an excuse. this team is just not as good as the elite teams in the NHL.

I don't want to hear about 6 games in 9 days.

It has been a consistent problem with the rangers for the last 4 or 5 years in terms of coming back from 2 goal deficits. I doubt all of those losses can be attributed to 6 games in 9 days.

Same old rangers.

Yes, Pittsburgh is very good but the rangers usually just shoot themselves in the foot.

Beltrans Mole
05-05-2014, 10:40 PM
and I cannot say this enough..... Stepan is horrible. This team needs a true #1 center to pair with Nash & MSL, Stepan brings nothing to the table

I hate to say it but I have to agree. I've watched a lot of Ranger hockey this year...Stepan looks awful. I don't know what it is but he's just not the same player as last year.

notoriousbig21
05-05-2014, 10:41 PM
no goals in regulation in 8+ periods, OT period away from being down 3-0...sky is def falling.

kenny and pierre with 6 mins left discussing stories while they play was going on cause even they knew the rangers werent gonna come close to scoring...

crowd seemed so disinterested.

J4KOP99
05-05-2014, 10:42 PM
Even when Stepan is healthy, he's a 2nd line center at best.

I've been saying this **** for years though. We don't have a true 1 center and not not enough physicality on the left wing and back end.

SLY WILLIAMS
05-05-2014, 10:53 PM
I thought they played 10 times harder tonight than last night. I said after game 1 as bad as MAF looked when he is on his game he is as good as anyone. I actually feel bad for them tonight. They made some mistakes but it was not a lack of effort. Lets just win next game and make it a best of 3 series.

notoriousbig21
05-05-2014, 11:24 PM
yea ill take blame for ripping apart MAF after game 1 and now he wont allow another goal this series.

SLY WILLIAMS
05-05-2014, 11:28 PM
yea ill take blame for ripping apart MAF after game 1 and now he wont allow another goal this series.

If we win next game you are forgiven. :D

Redfish
05-05-2014, 11:58 PM
Personally if Nash cant get things going this playoffs I am all about trading him, he is getting outplayed by Dominic Moore on this team, same goes for Stepan.

Stepan is going into the last year of his contract. I think he is another Callahan situation whereby the free-agent market will pay him considerably more than what the Rangers are comfortable with and, unlike with Callahan, I don't believe Sather will let this go unresolved and take the risk he is offered a mediocre package of draft picks going into the next trade deadline. In short, I think Stepan gets traded at this summer's draft.

fingerbang
05-06-2014, 02:38 AM
Stepan is going into the last year of his contract. I think he is another Callahan situation whereby the free-agent market will pay him considerably more than what the Rangers are comfortable with and, unlike with Callahan, I don't believe Sather will let this go unresolved and take the risk he is offered a mediocre package of draft picks going into the next trade deadline. In short, I think Stepan gets traded at this summer's draft.

He's restricted and can't hit free agency. It's a bad market because the good players are getting old by the time they test free agency. The Rangers always bust in free agency because of it.

stl06
05-06-2014, 03:08 AM
Hey I dont post much but read a lot here. Just wanna know how you all feel with the lineup changes going for game 3. I know Dorsett had the bad timing penalty game 2, I honestly cant see any reason anyone can say Miller or Fast should be in over Carcillo though. I know many are getting on Nash and Stepan's case rightfully so they are our top players and not producing but I just dont see the justification in taking Carcillo out of the linueup where he is one of the few players that at the very least provides energy and at the same time is actually producing more than most in the lineup. Also I know Miller and Fast are considered "more skilled" and "higher potential" but what have they ever showed at the NHL level to be in the lineup? I dont blame this last loss on that or think that was the neccessarily the problem but how do you guys feel about that being the solution when the other guys are failing it ends up being a guy like Carcillo that gets punished to put unproven players in that continually do nothing to help the cause.

Redfish
05-06-2014, 08:18 AM
He's restricted and can't hit free agency. It's a bad market because the good players are getting old by the time they test free agency. The Rangers always bust in free agency because of it.

Oh, right, thanks for pointing that out. This is good news, as I thought he was unrestricted.

puckhead54
05-06-2014, 08:20 AM
:hope:powerplay, :hope:scoring:hope:winning a game:hope:

nyr2002nyr
05-06-2014, 09:08 AM
I thought they played 10 times harder tonight than last night. I said after game 1 as bad as MAF looked when he is on his game he is as good as anyone. I actually feel bad for them tonight. They made some mistakes but it was not a lack of effort. Lets just win next game and make it a best of 3 series.

last nights game wasnt as bad as game 2. They played better and even look pretty good on the PP getting some giood looks i know they didnt score but they hit so many bars last night i thought it was a pub crawl

nyr2002nyr
05-06-2014, 09:09 AM
Hey I dont post much but read a lot here. Just wanna know how you all feel with the lineup changes going for game 3. I know Dorsett had the bad timing penalty game 2, I honestly cant see any reason anyone can say Miller or Fast should be in over Carcillo though. I know many are getting on Nash and Stepan's case rightfully so they are our top players and not producing but I just dont see the justification in taking Carcillo out of the linueup where he is one of the few players that at the very least provides energy and at the same time is actually producing more than most in the lineup. Also I know Miller and Fast are considered "more skilled" and "higher potential" but what have they ever showed at the NHL level to be in the lineup? I dont blame this last loss on that or think that was the neccessarily the problem but how do you guys feel about that being the solution when the other guys are failing it ends up being a guy like Carcillo that gets punished to put unproven players in that continually do nothing to help the cause.

They went with more speed over grit. I was ok with the move myself and i realy like what Diaz did in the game

MJL80
05-06-2014, 11:00 AM
Hey I dont post much but read a lot here. Just wanna know how you all feel with the lineup changes going for game 3. I know Dorsett had the bad timing penalty game 2, I honestly cant see any reason anyone can say Miller or Fast should be in over Carcillo though. I know many are getting on Nash and Stepan's case rightfully so they are our top players and not producing but I just dont see the justification in taking Carcillo out of the linueup where he is one of the few players that at the very least provides energy and at the same time is actually producing more than most in the lineup. Also I know Miller and Fast are considered "more skilled" and "higher potential" but what have they ever showed at the NHL level to be in the lineup? I dont blame this last loss on that or think that was the neccessarily the problem but how do you guys feel about that being the solution when the other guys are failing it ends up being a guy like Carcillo that gets punished to put unproven players in that continually do nothing to help the cause.

Welcome by the way :)

SLY WILLIAMS
05-06-2014, 11:01 AM
Hey I dont post much but read a lot here. Just wanna know how you all feel with the lineup changes going for game 3. I know Dorsett had the bad timing penalty game 2, I honestly cant see any reason anyone can say Miller or Fast should be in over Carcillo though. I know many are getting on Nash and Stepan's case rightfully so they are our top players and not producing but I just dont see the justification in taking Carcillo out of the linueup where he is one of the few players that at the very least provides energy and at the same time is actually producing more than most in the lineup. Also I know Miller and Fast are considered "more skilled" and "higher potential" but what have they ever showed at the NHL level to be in the lineup? I dont blame this last loss on that or think that was the neccessarily the problem but how do you guys feel about that being the solution when the other guys are failing it ends up being a guy like Carcillo that gets punished to put unproven players in that continually do nothing to help the cause.

First off welcome to the board. :)

I thought JT made some good plays. I think Carcillo has been on the edge of something bad so I was okay with the move for JT. I also think we put new guys in for a jump start to a tired team on Sunday night.


last nights game wasnt as bad as game 2. They played better and even look pretty good on the PP getting some giood looks i know they didnt score but they hit so many bars last night i thought it was a pub crawl

The announcers kept saying Mats shot was in. It was definitely a good 2nd effort by Mats to get that shot off. I was so let down but the refs made the correct call in the end. Marty was also close and that is his shot.


They went with more speed over grit. I was ok with the move myself and i realy like what Diaz did in the game

Diaz definitely was looking for his shot which is a plus he basically does what Brad does but without being as much a defensive liability as Brad being a forward playing the point.

Beltrans Mole
05-06-2014, 11:05 AM
no goals in regulation in 8+ periods, OT period away from being down 3-0...sky is def falling.

kenny and pierre with 6 mins left discussing stories while they play was going on cause even they knew the rangers werent gonna come close to scoring...

crowd seemed so disinterested.

Why is Kenny Albert calling hockey games? He's atrocious. He should stick to football games, not hockey.

Also- Pierre Mcguire can suck it!

SLY WILLIAMS
05-06-2014, 11:12 AM
Pierre is pretty hard for me to listen to. My dad says he does not mind but I find it really annoying when for so many players Pierre needs to tell us what HS, college or junior league they played in. I get it. Every NHL player had a home town or played in a lower league at some point. :D

J4KOP99
05-06-2014, 11:18 AM
You guys all understand that Kenny Albert is our radio broadcaster, right?

bsi
05-06-2014, 11:19 AM
First off welcome to the board. :)

I thought JT made some good plays. I think Carcillo has been on the edge of something bad so I was okay with the move for JT. I also think we put new guys in for a jump start to a tired team on Sunday night.



The announcers kept saying Mats shot was in. It was definitely a good 2nd effort by Mats to get that shot off. I was so let down but the refs made the correct call in the end. Marty was also close and that is his shot.



Diaz definitely was looking for his shot which is a plus he basically does what Brad does but without being as much a defensive liability as Brad being a forward playing the point.

I have no problem adding Diaz, I was actually surprised he was taken out in the first place. My problem is that even though you may frel Richards cant man the point, he is probably still our 1a option with St Louis as to a likelihood of actually scoring on the pp....put him in for Stepan up front on the pp

SLY WILLIAMS
05-06-2014, 11:22 AM
One spot for some hope. We have won the first game then lost the next 2 before before going on to win the series. The Kings showed us anything is possible. Fleury just picked a really bad time (for us) to remember how great he can play.

SLY WILLIAMS
05-06-2014, 11:25 AM
I have no problem adding Diaz, I was actually surprised he was taken out in the first place. My problem is that even though you may frel Richards cant man the point, he is probably still our 1a option with St Louis as to a likelihood of actually scoring on the pp....put him in for Stepan up front on the pp

Its not that I feel Brad can not man the point. I was just making a natural point that anytime you have a forward playing the point whether its Brad, Stepan, Mats, etc there is more danger than having a actual Dman back there. Brad has made a lot of good plays from the point in his career.

SLY WILLIAMS
05-06-2014, 11:32 AM
I wonder what is going on with McD. Is he still injured? Is he rusty? Is he just in a confidence slump? He was so great before Burrows hit. Now he has been good and bad.

notoriousbig21
05-06-2014, 12:37 PM
You guys all understand that Kenny Albert is our radio broadcaster, right?

I think he does, he just isn't great on TV. But it must be hard to go from radio to TV because it is so diff. I miss doc calling our games once in a while.

notoriousbig21
05-06-2014, 12:39 PM
Also, listening to Joe and Evan and a caller hit it right on the head...

stop giving out shirts and towels to the lower level douches cause those corporate suits dont bother to put them on. Feel bad for the real fans up top.

MJL80
05-06-2014, 12:52 PM
You guys all understand that Kenny Albert is our radio broadcaster, right?

I don't mind Kenny, anything is better than Doc Emrick..... Doc's voice goes through me like nails, I always want to mute the tv by the 2nd when he calls a game

notoriousbig21
05-06-2014, 12:55 PM
haha no way, doc is the GOAT.

J4KOP99
05-06-2014, 01:14 PM
I wonder what is going on with McD. Is he still injured? Is he rusty? Is he just in a confidence slump? He was so great before Burrows hit. Now he has been good and bad.

He's definitely just worn out but IMO, he's the least of our worries.

Redfish
05-06-2014, 01:20 PM
I wonder what is going on with McD. Is he still injured? Is he rusty? Is he just in a confidence slump? He was so great before Burrows hit. Now he has been good and bad.

He remains injured and hasn't been taking slap-shots or semi-slap shots. His range remains limited and opponents know this and are making sure they hit him whenever possible.

SLY WILLIAMS
05-06-2014, 01:24 PM
I'm not worried about McD long term. I'm just wondering if its still the shoulder as Red alluded to. Obviously he has not been the same. I'm sure he will be great again in the future. Its possible he has another injury that we do not know about as well.

nyr2002nyr
05-06-2014, 02:04 PM
Chris Kreider, who last played for the Rangers on March 24 before undergoing surgery on his hand, may be close to returning to the Blueshirts lineup. Head coach Alain Vigneault told reporters on Tuesday that Kreider "is due to see the doctors here shortly ... and I think we're going to know here in a short time frame a day or a couple."

Kreider has been skating and keeping his conditioning at a high level during the playoffs, while itching to get back into the Rangers lineup. While Kreider has mainly skated on his own, he has joined his teammates on the ice late in morning skates in both Philadelphia and Pittsburgh. Vigneault added that Kreider has been stickhandling and that "he's coming along."

The 23-year-old was one of the Rangers most effective players offensively this season, and one of the league's top rookies. Kreider scored 17 goals six on the power play and totaled 37 points in 66 games this season. He ranked fifth among all NHL rookies, and tied for fifth on the Rangers in goals scored, and recorded the sixth-most points of any rookie in the league. He also led the Rangers with a plus-14 plus/minus rating, and was third on the team in power play goals.

"The size and speed he has would put pressure on (the Penguins) defense, and obviously Kreids is real good with the net presence on the power play," Vigneault stated when asked what Kreider could bring to the lineup should he be able to return during this series against Pittsburgh. "He'd bring a lot to our lineup I know that."

Despite officially being a rookie this past regular season, Kreider does have impressive NHL playoff experience under his belt already, too. In 2012 he appeared in 18 game, scored five goals and totaled seven points fresh out of Boston College and without any NHL game experience. Last spring he played in eight games and scored once--the overtime winner in Game Four of the second round against the Boston Bruins.

"He's been really, really pushing himself," teammate Brian Boyle said of Kreider's attempts to get back into the lineup. "For what he's done for us this year, especially the way it started out for him, he's come a long way. He's a huge part of our team. If we can add him back he's going to be ready to go, will be excited to play, will bring speed and physicality."

Beltrans Mole
05-06-2014, 02:46 PM
I don't mind Kenny, anything is better than Doc Emrick..... Doc's voice goes through me like nails, I always want to mute the tv by the 2nd when he calls a game

Doc makes the games ten times more interesting. Everytime I hear Kenny Albert's voice I feel like I'm watching a boring NFC South game between the Bucs and the Panthers or something. I don't listen to the games on the radio but Albert doesn't do it for me.

fingerbang
05-06-2014, 04:18 PM
Pittsburgh's just a better team. The Rangers can't afford to give up breakaways against them. Felt good after game one but I think these guys are booking tee times soon.

bsi
05-06-2014, 06:59 PM
Pittsburgh's just a better team. The Rangers can't afford to give up breakaways against them. Felt good after game one but I think these guys are booking tee times soon.

We haven't used our strengths which is speed, forecheck and a better top 4 D, ofcourse Lundqvist is a huge strength too. As much has been talked about our team being tired I believe that maybe they are a little slower but the real problem is that our PP isn't working and we have no practice time to fix it. They are trying to tweak it on the fly and it did look better as the game went on the other night until the breakaway but it's hard to switch that up without practice so you can see what the coaches vision is for the PP. Having said that we had our chances to win the other night and we limited Pits to only 15 shots while getting 35 ourselves, the right bounce on that shot that went across the crossbar or the one St.Louis hit the post with and we win that game IMO, that first one would have put us up 1-0.

nyr2002nyr
05-06-2014, 07:02 PM
We haven't used our strengths which is speed, forecheck and a better top 4 D, ofcourse Lundqvist is a huge strength too. As much has been talked about our team being tired I believe that maybe they are a little slower but the real problem is that our PP isn't working and we have no practice time to fix it. They are trying to tweak it on the fly and it did look better as the game went on the other night until the breakaway but it's hard to switch that up without practice so you can see what the coaches vision is for the PP. Having said that we had our chances to win the other night and we limited Pits to only 15 shots while getting 35 ourselves, the right bounce on that shot that went across the crossbar or the one St.Louis hit the post with and we win that game IMO, that first one would have put us up 1-0.

I agree the pp has been bad but it's not the sole reason for losing the last 2. You can't rely on the fact you will get a call. They haven't scored a single goal in a few games so while a nice timely pp goal would be nice they have to forecheck better and creat more scoring chances 5/5. Next game is the series.

Redfish
05-06-2014, 09:48 PM
I agree the pp has been bad but it's not the sole reason for losing the last 2. You can't rely on the fact you will get a call. They haven't scored a single goal in a few games so while a nice timely pp goal would be nice they have to forecheck better and creat more scoring chances 5/5. Next game is the series.

You can't, but during the regular season this was an important aspect to the team. We were pretty average 5v5 and needed the PK oftentimes to help get the 2 points. It was intended to be an area of strength during the playoffs.

Given Pitt led the league on the Power Play this year, this series was always going to be largely driven by special teams. Pitt seems to have the better horses but that doesn't mean we can't make this a 7-game series and bet on Hank in a big 7th game. Crosby has been the difference so far; not necessarily with massive point production but he really elevated his game after the first game of the series and has shown the leadership needed to bring out the best in his teammates as well. As much as I dislike the player, he has laser focus in the series right now and is showing tremendous courage.

I don't think we can win without power play contributions being an integral part of our performance.

SLY WILLIAMS
05-06-2014, 11:43 PM
Pit fans in another area of PSD are outraged and calling Staal a goon.

J4KOP99
05-07-2014, 07:42 AM
Staal would be the last person to try to intentionally hurt someone. He had to go through a lot just to be able to play again.

nyr2002nyr
05-07-2014, 09:12 AM
You can't, but during the regular season this was an important aspect to the team. We were pretty average 5v5 and needed the PK oftentimes to help get the 2 points. It was intended to be an area of strength during the playoffs.

Given Pitt led the league on the Power Play this year, this series was always going to be largely driven by special teams. Pitt seems to have the better horses but that doesn't mean we can't make this a 7-game series and bet on Hank in a big 7th game. Crosby has been the difference so far; not necessarily with massive point production but he really elevated his game after the first game of the series and has shown the leadership needed to bring out the best in his teammates as well. As much as I dislike the player, he has laser focus in the series right now and is showing tremendous courage.

I don't think we can win without power play contributions being an integral part of our performance.

I understand where you are coming from but the PP sucked down the stretch and you still have to find ways to win games. And i agree we can still make this a long series...Hank is playing Great now and a few goals can go a long way....Crosby for the first time in a long tim has kept his mouth shut and just played hockey which is rare. Not giving up breakaways might help :mad:

Beltrans Mole
05-07-2014, 09:29 AM
I understand where you are coming from but the PP sucked down the stretch and you still have to find ways to win games. And i agree we can still make this a long series...Hank is playing Great now and a few goals can go a long way....Crosby for the first time in a long tim has kept his mouth shut and just played hockey which is rare. Not giving up breakaways might help :mad:

Last game wasn't as bad as it looked. We hit the post and the crossbar a combined three times, and that second goal they scored was ridiculously fortunate for their man to be coming out of the box at the same time. We just need to relax on offense, get a couple goals and we will be back in this series. This is not the same Pens team over the past few years IMO.

Redfish
05-07-2014, 09:56 AM
I understand where you are coming from but the PP sucked down the stretch and you still have to find ways to win games. And i agree we can still make this a long series...Hank is playing Great now and a few goals can go a long way....Crosby for the first time in a long tim has kept his mouth shut and just played hockey which is rare. Not giving up breakaways might help :mad:

No breakaways would be a good place to start! Tonight's game will tell us a great deal about our club and players. I am interested to see which players step up in a critical moment.

nyr2002nyr
05-07-2014, 09:57 AM
Last game wasn't as bad as it looked. We hit the post and the crossbar a combined three times, and that second goal they scored was ridiculously fortunate for their man to be coming out of the box at the same time. We just need to relax on offense, get a couple goals and we will be back in this series. This is not the same Pens team over the past few years IMO.

"This is not the same Pens team over the past few years IMO." I agree 100 % on that. And relaxing and netting a few goals will take the bright light off quite a few of them.....Win tonight and its a series lose tonight and i cant see them climbing out of that hole

SLY WILLIAMS
05-07-2014, 10:22 AM
Staal would be the last person to try to intentionally hurt someone. He had to go through a lot just to be able to play again.

I was kind of shocked to read them saying that especially when the put Neal on the ice and previously had Cooke. I have never thought of Staal as a goon in any way.

Beltrans Mole
05-07-2014, 10:52 AM
I was kind of shocked to read them saying that especially when the put Neal on the ice and previously had Cooke. I have never thought of Staal as a goon in any way.

Exactly, Staal plays some of the cleanest D in the league. He doesn't need to be a goon, he's got enough length with his stick that he can outreach any puckhandler.

nyr2002nyr
05-07-2014, 11:20 AM
Chris Kreider is on ice for am skate with a normal contact jersey and has been medically cleared

Beltrans Mole
05-07-2014, 11:55 AM
Chris Kreider is on ice for am skate with a normal contact jersey and has been medically cleared

Hell yeah!! We need him so badly right now.

nyr2002nyr
05-07-2014, 12:06 PM
Ok now who comes out to make room for him?

MJL80
05-07-2014, 12:21 PM
Ok now who comes out to make room for him?

Stepan!!! lol

Beltrans Mole
05-07-2014, 12:58 PM
Stepan!!! lol

He should but he won't lol

SLY WILLIAMS
05-07-2014, 01:05 PM
Crosby, Malkin, Letang, and Fleury (when on his game) are all great players but our depth is better than their depth in my opinion. We need to get back to our own game. McD was a big part of that both offensively and defensively. He was a 40 point guy who helped our PP a lot. We need that McD back. We have 3 of th fastest guys in the NHL. Where is Hags extra gear. Where is MSL extra gear. If they have room lets spring them for some breaks or 1 on 1s.

SLY WILLIAMS
05-07-2014, 01:07 PM
They play to win
We play for keeps
It's not over 'til it's over

The odds are against us
Say we don't stand a chance

When there's no giving up
No giving in
When push comes to shove you got to fight for what you love

You do what you must
Do what you can

It's not over

redwhiteandblue
05-07-2014, 01:13 PM
They play to win
We play for keeps
It's not over 'til it's over

The odds are against us
Say we don't stand a chance

When there's no giving up
No giving in
When push comes to shove you got to fight for what you love

You do what you must
Do what you can

It's not over


Lol great and appropriate lyrics, horrible song. :laugh:

J4KOP99
05-07-2014, 01:16 PM
I'll be there tonight

nyr2002nyr
05-07-2014, 01:20 PM
I'll be there tonight

get that crowd going!!! Last game was very silent

SLY WILLIAMS
05-07-2014, 01:36 PM
Lol great and appropriate lyrics, horrible song. :laugh:

We used to listen to that song, Rocky (Gonna Fly Now), and All Fired Up before big games. They all would get me pumped up to play.

SLY WILLIAMS
05-07-2014, 01:37 PM
I'll be there tonight


Wait!!!!!!!!!! What is your record now????? :)

J4KOP99
05-07-2014, 01:51 PM
Haha you're confusing me with that other guy sly. I was at game 7, though.

SLY WILLIAMS
05-07-2014, 02:04 PM
Haha you're confusing me with that other guy sly. I was at game 7, though.

LOL I confuse a lot of people in many ways. Sorry about that. Enjoy the game!!! :)

MJL80
05-07-2014, 04:35 PM
I'll be there tonight

Same hereeee!! Can't wait, been amped in the office all day. I work right across the street in One Penn, grabbing dinner then heading over

SLY WILLIAMS
05-07-2014, 06:19 PM
If we do not score tonight I'm going to Katmandu.

J4KOP99
05-07-2014, 07:00 PM
The scene outside MSG is pathetic right now. Just walked over from the bar to hear some horrible cover band singing back street boys songs...

Mr Costanza
05-07-2014, 07:47 PM
I'm starting to think they may not care?

J4KOP99
05-07-2014, 07:49 PM
What a start

fingerbang
05-07-2014, 07:59 PM
McDonagh sucks. :laugh2:

Mr Costanza
05-07-2014, 07:59 PM
Nash needs to ****ing score. Lucky were not down 3 already at this rate.

Mr Costanza
05-07-2014, 08:10 PM
Lol all that and walk away with nothing but a penalty kill. 135 minutes and counting without a goal.

Mr Costanza
05-07-2014, 08:17 PM
Garden should be booing the **** out of this team right now.

fingerbang
05-07-2014, 08:22 PM
The first hole is a par four with a slight dogleg.

Mr Costanza
05-07-2014, 08:30 PM
The first hole is a par four with a slight dogleg.

Lol pretty much.

Mr Costanza
05-07-2014, 08:44 PM
I really thought I may not hear that chant again this season!!

Mr Costanza
05-07-2014, 09:09 PM
...and the power play reaches a new low.

fingerbang
05-07-2014, 09:12 PM
St. Louis is useless and McDonagh can't even pick up a man on the backcheck.

J4KOP99
05-07-2014, 09:12 PM
What an embarrassment. Why does this team always go down in flames? They just reach a point where it gets too difficult and then they give up.

fingerbang
05-07-2014, 09:15 PM
That puck just sat there in front of the crease and no one did anything. Not gonna win when you don't play the body or the puck, lmao.

fingerbang
05-07-2014, 09:25 PM
35 power plays no goals one against.

fingerbang
05-07-2014, 09:36 PM
Did they just boo Nash?

J4KOP99
05-07-2014, 09:40 PM
Yes

notoriousbig21
05-07-2014, 09:40 PM
Did they just boo Nash?
yes sir..totally agree but shocking to hear.

notoriousbig21
05-07-2014, 09:41 PM
35 power plays no goals one against.

are you sure there hasnt been more than 1 shorty?

notoriousbig21
05-07-2014, 09:42 PM
holy **** this cant be real

J4KOP99
05-07-2014, 09:42 PM
Lol

J4KOP99
05-07-2014, 09:42 PM
Why do they quit though? That's the pathetic part. At least leave it all on the ice.

J4KOP99
05-07-2014, 09:44 PM
Only the New York rangers would win game 1 and then go on to lose 3 straight.

notoriousbig21
05-07-2014, 09:45 PM
Only the New York rangers would win game 1 and then go on to lose 3 straight.

yea 2001 nba finals, win game 1 on road and lose next 4.

J4KOP99
05-07-2014, 09:50 PM
Philly was severely over matched though haha. The rangers are just not playing hard enough.

notoriousbig21
05-07-2014, 09:53 PM
omg cmpon!!!!!!!! zuuuuuuuuuuccccccccc

notoriousbig21
05-07-2014, 09:56 PM
girardi and mcd are the ****ing worst

J4KOP99
05-07-2014, 09:57 PM
Who didnt see that coming? When it comes to letting you down, the New York rangers are at the top of the list.

notoriousbig21
05-07-2014, 09:58 PM
ahahha booing nash and MSL

J4KOP99
05-07-2014, 10:20 PM
15 shots on goal

Beltrans Mole
05-07-2014, 10:24 PM
Just astonishing

notoriousbig21
05-07-2014, 10:27 PM
Hank's career wasting away, poor guy

runnermjr1296
05-07-2014, 10:32 PM
with our season on the line this is the effort they come up with?? are you serious? 4 shots on goal in the 3rd period? you guys who paid money to watch tonights game deserve a refund!!! I wonder if our coach is proud of our effort tonight? well the boys must be tired they have played 6 games in 9 days,,i have not been this dissapointed in the NY Rangers since the pre Tom Renney days,they should be ashamed of themselves!!!!! ASHAMED!!!!!THEY WERE BEATEN TO EVERY LOOSE PUCK TONIGHT,,SERIOUSLY HOW MANY TIMES DID THEY HAVE THEIR POCKETS PICKED WHEN CARRYING THE PUCK TONIGHT???MAN THAT WAS PITIFUL PITIFUL!!!!

imbetterthanyou
05-07-2014, 10:40 PM
singling out your best scorers and booing them is laughable. Boost their waning confidence even more. what about the rest of the players that havent shown up for 3 games straight? boo the whole team because of how bad theyre playing if you need to boo...if i was there i wouldve been embarassed to be around the fans booing Nash

J4KOP99
05-07-2014, 11:05 PM
I did not boo Nash but that's not because he didnt deserve it, it's because I had such little interest in the game at that point I wasn't going to waste my energy.

Beltrans Mole
05-07-2014, 11:09 PM
singling out your best scorers and booing them is laughable. Boost their waning confidence even more. what about the rest of the players that havent shown up for 3 games straight? boo the whole team because of how bad theyre playing if you need to boo...if i was there i wouldve been embarassed to be around the fans booing Nash

Oh cry me a river. These guys are getting paid handsomely and have been no-shows in the playoffs. The only guy I'll give an excuse to is McDonaugh because I truly believe he's hurt, he's not moving well. Stepan? Nash? St. Louis? Our best line all year was the 3rd line, no question. We lost every loose puck battle, we got killed on the forecheck, our passing has been ATROCIOUS this entire series. Our power play...need I even say more? Not to mention that the fact that Hank gave up a couple of soft ones, but it's hard to blame him when our players get pick pocketed and throw away the puck in our own zone the entire game. Wow, this has been a frustrating three games to say the least. I know they are exhausted and burnt out but it was a must-win game tonight and the Pens wanted it more. I can't tell you how many times I moaned when another Ranger just aimlessly passed the puck into traffic or dumped into the zone without letting something develop first. END RANT, GOOD NIGHT

notoriousbig21
05-07-2014, 11:09 PM
singling out your best scorers and booing them is laughable. Boost their waning confidence even more. what about the rest of the players that havent shown up for 3 games straight? boo the whole team because of how bad theyre playing if you need to boo...if i was there i wouldve been embarassed to be around the fans booing Nash

Fans that pay two hundred a ticket can do whatever they want

Redfish
05-07-2014, 11:25 PM
with our season on the line this is the effort they come up with?? are you serious? 4 shots on goal in the 3rd period? you guys who paid money to watch tonights game deserve a refund!!! I wonder if our coach is proud of our effort tonight? well the boys must be tired they have played 6 games in 9 days,,i have not been this dissapointed in the NY Rangers since the pre Tom Renney days,they should be ashamed of themselves!!!!! ASHAMED!!!!!THEY WERE BEATEN TO EVERY LOOSE PUCK TONIGHT,,SERIOUSLY HOW MANY TIMES DID THEY HAVE THEIR POCKETS PICKED WHEN CARRYING THE PUCK TONIGHT???MAN THAT WAS PITIFUL PITIFUL!!!!

I was thinking about Tom Renney throughout most of tonight's game, saying to myself "I cannot believe we are back to the Renney era."

At the very beginning of the season, I was extraordinarily critical of Sather and not at all impressed with the hiring of Vigneault. I feared Sather's moves were assuring this club moves SIDEWAYS, at best, and possibly backwards. This team, under AV, scores less; gives up more; has similar PP issues and is both older and softer than the team the past 4 seasons. That's right, I'll say it again: we score less and give up more goals. Our PP is poor and we are a softer and older team.

Time to switch coaches? Torts lost the team? Fine, switch coaches but this on-ice product, for all who say it is "more watchable" is not at all a better team; we've gone backwards. I feared AV had unique assets in Vancouver (Sedin twins and Kessler all peaking in their careers plus high scoring defenseman) that could not be replicated here and we would be underwhelmed. It just proves, in my mind at least, the last 60 days of regular season hockey, when the Rangers had possibly the easiest remaining schedule amongst playoff contenders, the team was playing over its head. And playoff hockey revealed this team for what it is. Overly dependent on a 3rd line caliber Brad Richards; an unproven playoff producer in Rick Nash; and an elite goaltender that has to play like that each game in order for this team to win a playoff series. 6 out of our 12 forwards show up consistently every night and then it's a roll-of-the-dice on the other 6.

What will Rangers fans say next year when a 41yr old MSL becomes an unrestricted free-agent and asks for a 5yr deal at $7mm per season? What will MSL say when the Rangers offer him those monies but only over 3yrs? I bet MSL says he'll take the extra $14mm in years #4 and #5 that the Devils offer him, in exchange for an extra 45-minute commute from his Greenwich crib in Connecticut. Yup, that's right -- MSL wanted to play here for the good commute to Greenwich, not because he cares about the jersey.

This is a pathetic organization. 10 GMs have been fired since this time last season (give or take a month or so) and we've got one of the longest tenured GMs in the league? Right up there with Lamoriello (NJD) and Holland (Det)?? Really? If Sather was anywhere close to those GMs in terms of success, it would make sense. But, get this: the Avalanche have had more success than the Rangers since 1994. The Avalanche!

What a piss poor organization, all at the expense of some quality players and great fans.

nyr2002nyr
05-08-2014, 09:10 AM
Only the New York rangers would win game 1 and then go on to lose 3 straight.

Dont count them short they have 1 more to lose

NYSPORTS98
05-08-2014, 09:27 AM
Count me in as the one who got it wrong as I didn't think this team would make the playoffs. Otherwise, I think I nailed it by saying it's basically the same team as last season.

Blame Torts was the theme last season around this time while the players got a pass. Now it's a new coach and basically the same players. Do we blame the coach again?

Fact is, Torts was correct about the roster despite his apparent flawed system.

What changed between last year and this year?

- Team still has no physical presence on the backline
- No big shot from the point on the PP
- Can't win on the boards. Very limited grit

It's the same team.

Redfish
05-08-2014, 10:04 AM
Count me in as the one who got it wrong as I didn't think this team would make the playoffs. Otherwise, I think I nailed it by saying it's basically the same team as last season.

Blame Torts was the theme last season around this time while the players got a pass. Now it's a new coach and basically the same players. Do we blame the coach again?

Fact is, Torts was correct about the roster despite his apparent flawed system.

What changed between last year and this year?

- Team still has no physical presence on the backline
- No big shot from the point on the PP
- Can't win on the boards. Very limited grit

It's the same team.

Yup, sideways at best, and whatever was accomplished the past four years, in terms of moving this organization closer to a Stanley Cup, is gradually slipping away.

This season, and the fact AV got his first year behind him now, will now be the backdrop for the next roster restructuring.

This is why some fans talk about the Rangers and the movie "Groundhog Day" in the same sentence.

SLY WILLIAMS
05-08-2014, 10:06 AM
Its heartbreaking to see the team lose.

McD obviously has something going on. He looks like a shell of himself. Instead of being our MVP he has been one of the worst Dmen on the ice. I can not blame him for being injured after a questionable hit.

MSL played horrible last night but was good in spurts vs Philly.

We are playing the best team in the east that has 2 of the best players in the world.

Making this a referendum on Torts is a mistake. This thread is not meant for that and Torts wore out his welcome in Van in only 10 months.

Letang (who is playing great) in between periods admitted we out played them in game 3. He said they got away with one because Fleury played so great.

I'm not blaming Lundy but if Fleury out plays Lundy we have no chance. Lundy is supposed to be our big advantage.

I do not know what to make of Nash. I feel Rick and Brad are both throwing shots at the net a lot. That is good but many of them are just wasted no chance to go in shots from the perimeter so I discount them a little. Nash has had some decent chances and been snake bit. I'm more concerned about bad plays by guys on our team than being snake bit.

We are not horrible. We are in the 2nd round of the playoffs playing against a great team that is playing well. I'm not giving up.

Redfish
05-08-2014, 10:27 AM
I wonder what the odds in Vegas would have been if someone wanted to bet that, after 31 games with the Rangers, Martin St. Louis would only have scored 3 goals. 3 goals.....

I am critical of Sather, as most of you know, and I truly believe he is mediocre and the game has passed him by. But, 3 goals from St. Louis after leading the league in points prior to his acquisition? Even I have to give Sather a break for this. Consider ourselves lucky if Tampa resigns Callahan and the Rangers then receive Tampa's 1st round pick.

nyr2002nyr
05-08-2014, 11:00 AM
http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/seasons-over-for-rangers-now-its-time-to-look-to-the-future/

SLY WILLIAMS
05-08-2014, 11:06 AM
Also as good as Bras and Stepan are we need a center that can win some faceoffs as our #1 center.

We have gone away from our puck possession game. We played a good puck possession game vs Philly for the most part.

SLY WILLIAMS
05-08-2014, 11:11 AM
I said it before we need our huge money contract players to play up to their salaries. I said that as early as the start of this season. I never expected Marty to have 3 goals in all these games but for part of the Philly series I thought he was our best player on the ice. This is not only about Marty though. Cally by the way had 0 points in this years playoffs. Lundy, Brad, Nash are all big dollar guys. They need to be the best players on the ice for us to have a chance against Crosby, Malking, Letang, and Fleury. If we lose next game (I'm thinking we will win because I think we will win every game) then I would not be shocked to see Nash traded. I think Brad is gone no matter what because of his contract issue.

SLY WILLIAMS
05-08-2014, 11:12 AM
By the way even I did not realize how much we counted on McD before. I feel badly for him. It must be frustrating as heck not to be able to play like you did before Burrows cheap hit.

nyr2002nyr
05-08-2014, 11:19 AM
I said it before we need our huge money contract players to play up to their salaries. I said that as early as the start of this season. I never expected Marty to have 3 goals in all these games but for part of the Philly series I thought he was our best player on the ice. This is not only about Marty though. Cally by the way had 0 points in this years playoffs. Lundy, Brad, Nash are all big dollar guys. They need to be the best players on the ice for us to have a chance against Crosby, Malking, Letang, and Fleury. If we lose next game (I'm thinking we will win because I think we will win every game) then I would not be shocked to see Nash traded. I think Brad is gone no matter what because of his contract issue.

That article i posted said it best..Nothing against ZUC but when he is your best player and the $$dollar guys dont show up you are screwed

Redfish
05-08-2014, 11:24 AM
I said it before we need our huge money contract players to play up to their salaries. I said that as early as the start of this season. I never expected Marty to have 3 goals in all these games but for part of the Philly series I thought he was our best player on the ice. This is not only about Marty though. Cally by the way had 0 points in this years playoffs. Lundy, Brad, Nash are all big dollar guys. They need to be the best players on the ice for us to have a chance against Crosby, Malking, Letang, and Fleury. If we lose next game (I'm thinking we will win because I think we will win every game) then I would not be shocked to see Nash traded. I think Brad is gone no matter what because of his contract issue.

We cannot expect Richards to be a top playoff performer. What he is paid is on Sather but, production wise, he is a 3rd line forward in 5v5 situations, in my view. That's my expectation for him. MSL and Nash should be performing like top line forwards, if not high end league players. A forward core of Nash, MSL and Richards leading this team is rather dull and boring; not at all excited about the outlook with these 3 leading the club.

I just hope the team is placed in different, capable hands for the next roster restructuring. I'm done with this "Win Now" thing Sather calls a strategy.

SLY WILLIAMS
05-08-2014, 11:50 AM
We cannot expect Richards to be a top playoff performer. What he is paid is on Sather but, production wise, he is a 3rd line forward in 5v5 situations, in my view. That's my expectation for him. MSL and Nash should be performing like top line forwards, if not high end league players. A forward core of Nash, MSL and Richards leading this team is rather dull and boring; not at all excited about the outlook with these 3 leading the club.

I just hope the team is placed in different, capable hands for the next roster restructuring. I'm done with this "Win Now" thing Sather calls a strategy.

I agree with you about Brad. I disagree about Slats. He was not trying to win now up until the MSL trade in my opinion. He refused to part with younger guys like Staal, McD, Stepan and Kreider for years. The trade for Nash was not a big deal because the coach (Torts) had soured on Duby, AA is replaceable and Nash was looked at as a great player around the league. The MSL trade may just come down to MSL for a 1st round pick (and a meaningless 7th round pick) with a 2nd round pick swap if Cally resigns with Tampa. That is not the end of the world since we could not resign Cally. Also with our franchise goalie getting older we should have some impetus to win sooner rather than later. We have been building for the future for years. When it is always about tomorrow sometimes tomorrow never comes. I have little doubt we could trade Nash or Marty for 1st round picks if we decide to this off season. I know Nash has a NTC but I think many guys will waive them if they feel unwanted.

mudvayne387
05-08-2014, 12:12 PM
While everybody is talking about the off-season, I will focus my attention on game 5. As we have seen in years past, a 3-1 deficit is not insurmountable.

I can see a Rangers team with nothing to lose come out tomorrow night and put up 4-5 goals on the Penguins. We have said it before, Fleury is a very hot/cold goalie. Get in his head and the flood gates will open. Pepper shots at him from everywhere on the ice.

I will say, who ever wins the Boston/Montreal series is almost certainly going to represent the East in the Finals.

One final note, the majority of Penguins fans on PSD have been pretty humble. I have to give them some props considering we just went through a series with the worst fans in all of sports lol.

runnermjr1296
05-08-2014, 12:25 PM
I've been watching the NYR for over 40+ years I can handle we weren't good enough.we ran up against a hot goalie,we aren't big enough,we need a big center,etc.etc. BUT I CAN NOT HANDLE THE EFFORT THEY SHOWED US LAST NIGHT!! THEY SHOULD BE ASHAMED!!!!ASHAMED!!!OF THEMSELVES!!!!
p.s. the only one i'll give a pass to is #27 probably by Sunday we'll hear he's undergoing surgery to repair something

SLY WILLIAMS
05-08-2014, 12:33 PM
While everybody is talking about the off-season, I will focus my attention on game 5. As we have seen in years past, a 3-1 deficit is not insurmountable.

I can see a Rangers team with nothing to lose come out tomorrow night and put up 4-5 goals on the Penguins. We have said it before, Fleury is a very hot/cold goalie. Get in his head and the flood gates will open. Pepper shots at him from everywhere on the ice.

I will say, who ever wins the Boston/Montreal series is almost certainly going to represent the East in the Finals.

One final note, the majority of Penguins fans on PSD have been pretty humble. I have to give them some props considering we just went through a series with the worst fans in all of sports lol.


I'm not giving up hope either. I understand many people have but I never lose hope until officially eliminated.

runnermjr1296
05-08-2014, 12:36 PM
It would help if they showed up

runnermjr1296
05-08-2014, 12:36 PM
I'm not giving up hope either. I understand many people have but I never lose hope until officially eliminated.

It would help if they showed up!

Redfish
05-08-2014, 12:43 PM
While everybody is talking about the off-season, I will focus my attention on game 5. As we have seen in years past, a 3-1 deficit is not insurmountable.

I can see a Rangers team with nothing to lose come out tomorrow night and put up 4-5 goals on the Penguins. We have said it before, Fleury is a very hot/cold goalie. Get in his head and the flood gates will open. Pepper shots at him from everywhere on the ice.

I will say, who ever wins the Boston/Montreal series is almost certainly going to represent the East in the Finals.

One final note, the majority of Penguins fans on PSD have been pretty humble. I have to give them some props considering we just went through a series with the worst fans in all of sports lol.

The Rangers have never comeback from a 3-1 playoff series deficit. I hope we break this vs the Pens!

IPF
05-08-2014, 12:45 PM
While everybody is talking about the off-season, I will focus my attention on game 5. As we have seen in years past, a 3-1 deficit is not insurmountable.

I can see a Rangers team with nothing to lose come out tomorrow night and put up 4-5 goals on the Penguins. We have said it before, Fleury is a very hot/cold goalie. Get in his head and the flood gates will open. Pepper shots at him from everywhere on the ice.

I will say, who ever wins the Boston/Montreal series is almost certainly going to represent the East in the Finals.

One final note, the majority of Penguins fans on PSD have been pretty humble. I have to give them some props considering we just went through a series with the worst fans in all of sports lol.

Sorry mudvayne but for all intents and purposes this series ended in the third period of game 2...

Not trying to be a pessimist and believe me I would love nothing more than a comeback down 3-1 but it's not going to happen. I know hockey pretty well and factors within our control and out of it both created the situation we now face:

We took control of home ice in game one and had momentum despite not firing on even 2/3 of our cylinders at all these entire playoffs. Hank stood on his head and played the first elite game he played all playoffs in game 2 but we couldn't dig deep and tie the game and then find a way to win. We could have ripped their heart out right there....

This created a ripple effect of sorts:

1) The team was fighting to keep their legs because of the NHL's asnine scheduling having them play back to back games TWICE in a week while everyone else had their breaks.
2) Our best all around player McDonagh is clearly not himself and with Nash's line slumping, Lundquist playing mediocre at best and one of the few skilled players we have with size (Krieder) being out we needed that psychological/momentum advantage to beat a team that has more skill than us to begin with
3) While he didn't score, Crosby finally picked up his game in the second game. A loss would have discouraged him but the win emboldened him and now he has clearly regained his confidence. He's a whiney baby and I can't stand him but he is definitely the best player in the world and having his head back in the game is a VERY bad thing for us.
4) The rest of the Pens have been out of sync and rusty because they played the last half of the regular season with a ton of injuries...they couldn't establish a rhythm and their chemistry wasn't there. Obviously, the longer you let them play together, the better their chemistry will get. Remember, before half their team was hurt they had the best record in hockey.
5) Fluery is hot/cold but that means he's also streaky...we let him get a shut out and he comes back and does it again...by losing we gave him confidence and right now he's riding high

That said,I hope by some miracle we can find a way but I don't see it. I also agree that regardless, no one in the East beats Boston anyway unless Raask plays poorly

Redfish
05-08-2014, 01:04 PM
I agree with you about Brad. I disagree about Slats. He was not trying to win now up until the MSL trade in my opinion. He refused to part with younger guys like Staal, McD, Stepan and Kreider for years. The trade for Nash was not a big deal because the coach (Torts) had soured on Duby, AA is replaceable and Nash was looked at as a great player around the league. The MSL trade may just come down to MSL for a 1st round pick (and a meaningless 7th round pick) with a 2nd round pick swap if Cally resigns with Tampa. That is not the end of the world since we could not resign Cally. Also with our franchise goalie getting older we should have some impetus to win sooner rather than later. We have been building for the future for years. When it is always about tomorrow sometimes tomorrow never comes. I have little doubt we could trade Nash or Marty for 1st round picks if we decide to this off season. I know Nash has a NTC but I think many guys will waive them if they feel unwanted.

I guess signing a 31yr old Brad Richards to a front-loaded ~$60mm, 9 year contract is not "win now"?

I appreciate your consistency with supporting Sather.....I'll stick to my view he is a poor steward of this club, no better than mediocre quality. The on-ice product the past 15 years seems to support this view but, hey, we all know what opinions are worth.....cheers

SLY WILLIAMS
05-08-2014, 01:17 PM
I guess signing a 31yr old Brad Richards to a front-loaded ~$60mm, 9 year contract is not "win now"?

I appreciate your consistency with supporting Sather.....I'll stick to my view he is a poor steward of this club, no better than mediocre quality. The on-ice product the past 15 years seems to support this view but, hey, we all know what opinions are worth.....cheers

I think signing Brad turned out to be a bad move in hind sight but I remember many people on this board and others were thrilled when we signed him. Because of the buyout rule signing Brad will not have hurt us. He did not cost us anything to sign him and we got to the 2nd round of the playoffs every season he was here. So what did we lose really?

When are we allowed to try to win? I have heard that we should not try to win now for 10 years. Edmonton is near the bottom almost every year. When can they try to win now? I do not know if I will be around next year. Within reason I would like to try to win. I would not trade a bunch of draft picks for nothing but we did not. We traded 1 pick for Rick Nash a perennial 30 goal scorer. We traded another pick for MSL who has been a top player. We are one of the last teams still playing. We have a lot of young talent as well. A few days ago people were speaking about us possibly winning this series in 6 games. I'm as down as anyone else today but I also realize I do not make perfect decisions in hindsight either. I thought Marty and Nash would both be better players here. What is the horrible error that cant not be undone? We could trade Marty tomorrow for another 1st round pick. Ditto Nash.

SLY WILLIAMS
05-08-2014, 01:46 PM
It would help if they showed up!

LOL they will not get paid if they do not show up. :D

We will win! :)

Redfish
05-08-2014, 02:03 PM
I think signing Brad turned out to be a bad move in hind sight but I remember many people on this board and others were thrilled when we signed him. Because of the buyout rule signing Brad will not have hurt us. He did not cost us anything to sign him and we got to the 2nd round of the playoffs every season he was here. So what did we lose really?

When are we allowed to try to win? I have heard that we should not try to win now for 10 years. Edmonton is near the bottom almost every year. When can they try to win now? I do not know if I will be around next year. Within reason I would like to try to win. I would not trade a bunch of draft picks for nothing but we did not. We traded 1 pick for Rick Nash a perennial 30 goal scorer. We traded another pick for MSL who has been a top player. We are one of the last teams still playing. We have a lot of young talent as well. A few days ago people were speaking about us possibly winning this series in 6 games. I'm as down as anyone else today but I also realize I do not make perfect decisions in hindsight either. I thought Marty and Nash would both be better players here. What is the horrible error that cant not be undone? We could trade Marty tomorrow for another 1st round pick. Ditto Nash.

It seems this discussion always leads to the Edmonton Oilers and that easily distracts from a real assessment of how winning clubs are constructed. The Oilers are a blueprint of how not to develop a winning club but are always held out as an example of what happens when you don't follow Sather's approach to maximizing next year's performance and undervaluing how those decisions impact years 3 through 5.

The facts of Sather's 15 year tenure as Rangers GM are there, on paper, and cannot be disputed. When considered with the types of monies he has been given to makeup for past mistakes, his on paper record is actually generous and overstates his performance.

Yet, if you have a different view on Sather's approach to constructing a Stanley Cup team, you are certainly entitled to that. I don't dismiss how difficult and improbable it is but when anecdotally I see the resource-strapped Avalanche as having more success than the resource-rich Rangers, there is a disconnect that should not be there. And he sits in the GM seat for the NY Rangers.

Redfish
05-08-2014, 02:11 PM
It seems this discussion always leads to the Edmonton Oilers and that easily distracts from a real assessment of how winning clubs are constructed. The Oilers are a blueprint of how not to develop a winning club but are always held out as an example of what happens when you don't follow Sather's approach to maximizing next year's performance and undervaluing how those decisions impact years 3 through 5.

The facts of Sather's 15 year tenure as Rangers GM are there, on paper, and cannot be disputed. When considered with the types of monies he has been given to makeup for past mistakes, his on paper record is actually generous and overstates his performance.

Yet, if you have a different view on Sather's approach to constructing a Stanley Cup team, you are certainly entitled to that. I don't dismiss how difficult and improbable it is but when anecdotally I see the resource-strapped Avalanche as having more success than the resource-rich Rangers, there is a disconnect that should not be there. And he sits in the GM seat for the NY Rangers.

I guess the last comment I'll have on this is there is nothing wrong with "win now" if you have the cards in hand. Otherwise it is a foolish bluff, and that is what Sather does with this club. When has he ever acquired and developed the right assets to justify a "win now" mentality. With all due respect, there is no strategy in any sport called "win now" --- it only exists within the NY Rangers.

nyr2002nyr
05-08-2014, 02:15 PM
It seems this discussion always leads to the Edmonton Oilers and that easily distracts from a real assessment of how winning clubs are constructed. The Oilers are a blueprint of how not to develop a winning club but are always held out as an example of what happens when you don't follow Sather's approach to maximizing next year's performance and undervaluing how those decisions impact years 3 through 5.

The facts of Sather's 15 year tenure as Rangers GM are there, on paper, and cannot be disputed. When considered with the types of monies he has been given to makeup for past mistakes, his on paper record is actually generous and overstates his performance.

Yet, if you have a different view on Sather's approach to constructing a Stanley Cup team, you are certainly entitled to that. I don't dismiss how difficult and improbable it is but when anecdotally I see the resource-strapped Avalanche as having more success than the resource-rich Rangers, there is a disconnect that should not be there. And he sits in the GM seat for the NY Rangers.

He had a longer run then most get. I beleive the game has past him by and its time to go in another direction. Most GM's dont get this many years to have a job while putting a mediocre team on the ice

Redfish
05-08-2014, 02:23 PM
He had a longer run then most get. I beleive the game has past him by and its time to go in another direction. Most GM's dont get this many years to have a job while putting a mediocre team on the ice

I think I illustrated this previously or somewhere else:

Sather's tenure is comparable to that of Lamoriello (Devils) and Holland (Detroit). C'mon, he is not even close to being in the league of these GMs. Nearly one-third of the league has changed GMs over the past 15 months....at least those owners are TRYING. We get the same failed script with Sather.

nyr2002nyr
05-08-2014, 02:34 PM
I think I illustrated this previously or somewhere else:

Sather's tenure is comparable to that of Lamoriello (Devils) and Holland (Detroit). C'mon, he is not even close to being in the league of these GMs. Nearly one-third of the league has changed GMs over the past 15 months....at least those owners are TRYING. We get the same failed script with Sather.

I agree 100% i just laugh because people dont think he should shoulder any of the blame

fingerbang
05-08-2014, 02:42 PM
Since the lockout Sather has built some good teams but they aren't great. People underestimate the Pens. Year after year they're ahead of the Rangers in the standings. It's time to knock it down but they can't/won't. The team peaked a few years ago, they're not good enough.

SLY WILLIAMS
05-08-2014, 03:39 PM
It seems this discussion always leads to the Edmonton Oilers and that easily distracts from a real assessment of how winning clubs are constructed. The Oilers are a blueprint of how not to develop a winning club but are always held out as an example of what happens when you don't follow Sather's approach to maximizing next year's performance and undervaluing how those decisions impact years 3 through 5.

The facts of Sather's 15 year tenure as Rangers GM are there, on paper, and cannot be disputed. When considered with the types of monies he has been given to makeup for past mistakes, his on paper record is actually generous and overstates his performance.

Yet, if you have a different view on Sather's approach to constructing a Stanley Cup team, you are certainly entitled to that. I don't dismiss how difficult and improbable it is but when anecdotally I see the resource-strapped Avalanche as having more success than the resource-rich Rangers, there is a disconnect that should not be there. And he sits in the GM seat for the NY Rangers.

If there was a blueprint on how to win a Cup every team in the league would use it. The great thing about hind sight is its near impossible to be wrong so I have a challenge for you. Using hind sight with everything we know tell me 5 moves in the last 5 years you would have done differently that would have guaranteed we would be a cup winner instead of an annual playoff team.


I guess the last comment I'll have on this is there is nothing wrong with "win now" if you have the cards in hand. Otherwise it is a foolish bluff, and that is what Sather does with this club. When has he ever acquired and developed the right assets to justify a "win now" mentality. With all due respect, there is no strategy in any sport called "win now" --- it only exists within the NY Rangers.

Unless a team is in a total rebuild I think almost every team is in a win now mode. Nobody knows what the future will bring for sure. A star player can get injured tomorrow. Teams do not have the luxury of saying we will try to come in last every year on purpose.


I think I illustrated this previously or somewhere else:

Sather's tenure is comparable to that of Lamoriello (Devils) and Holland (Detroit). C'mon, he is not even close to being in the league of these GMs. Nearly one-third of the league has changed GMs over the past 15 months....at least those owners are TRYING. We get the same failed script with Sather.
They are 2 very good GMs. If every GM that has not won a cup in the last 5-10 years is a failure than Slats is a failure but I see him put a competitive team on the ice that gives us a chance to win. If Slats signed Kovy to the deal that Lou did would you be happy? I noticed NJ and Det are both not playing.

I agree 100% i just laugh because people don't think he should shoulder any of the blame I'm not going to blame somebody for making the moves most of us and many pundits agreed with at the time. If we are to give blame it would be on everyone including Slats but I will take my share of the blame because I wanted Nash. I wanted MSL. I wanted Lundy. So blame me.

Since the lockout Sather has built some good teams but they aren't great. People underestimate the Pens. Year after year they're ahead of the Rangers in the standings. It's time to knock it down but they can't/won't. The team peaked a few years ago, they're not good enough.
Pit is a very good team with the worlds 2 best players. If we had McD at 100% and Nash being Nash of earlier this year we might have even had a chance to win. If we lose then we will have to revaluate the team and try to figure out a way to get up to their level.

SLY WILLIAMS
05-08-2014, 04:08 PM
In practice today it is Stepan centering Kreider and Mats. I have felt that was our best line of the season so I'm glad to see that. MSL was put on mats old line with Brass and Pou.

Redfish
05-08-2014, 04:18 PM
Prior to today, I had been harboring suspicion that Sly is a paid employee within the office of one, Mr. Glen Sather. Now I am convinced! :)

In all seriousness, c'mon; 5 moves to guarantee a cup? That's easy:

1. Fire Sather after replacing Renney;
2. Hire John Tortorella;
3. Hire John Davidson as President & GM, at ANY COST;
4. Leave it in the hands of Davidson/Tortorella;
5. Leave it in the hands of Davidson/Tortorella.

You keep confusing constructing a Cup contending team with being in last place for several years. Was Boston in last place before its multi-year winning streak? It doesn't require being the worst team in the league as you suggest. Even if it did, I'd be willing to do that in order to win it and succeed the way Boston, Pittsburgh and Chicago have done it.

5-10 years of failing to contend for the Stanley Cup is one thing; 15 years is another. Have you objectively evaluated why this team scores less; gives up more; has similar power play issues and is soft, compared to the team of the past 4 years? We now have new issues on this team to contend with that didn't recently exist: lack of effort in big games and lack of discipline. But at least it is "watchable" hockey --- the fans last night did not seem to think so though.

I do blame you for our playoff performance this year! :) Get your head in the game!

Ifs, woulda, coulda.....there are always reasons. If Sather acquired defensive depth for the playoffs a few seasons ago we woulda' made it to the Stanley Cup; maybe would have won it. Can't do anything about McDonagh's injury or the fact Nash is a choke and MSL scored 3 goals over the past 31 games.

Exactly what is your position within the GM's office? Just kidding Sly....like I said I admire your consistency in supporting Sather.

SLY WILLIAMS
05-08-2014, 04:30 PM
Prior to today, I had been harboring suspicion that Sly is a paid employee within the office of one, Mr. Glen Sather. Now I am convinced! :)

In all seriousness, c'mon; 5 moves to guarantee a cup? That's easy:

1. Fire Sather after replacing Renney;
2. Hire John Tortorella;
3. Hire John Davidson as President & GM, at ANY COST;
4. Leave it in the hands of Davidson/Tortorella;
5. Leave it in the hands of Davidson/Tortorella.

You keep confusing constructing a Cup contending team with being in last place for several years. Was Boston in last place before its multi-year winning streak? It doesn't require being the worst team in the league as you suggest.

I asked you a legit and fair question giving you the benefit of hind sight that no other GM has. Your answer is fire Slats and hire JD/Torts. I'm a huge JD fan. He is one of my favorite players/people ever but are JD and Torts teams playing? We have made the playoffs in 7 of the last 8 years. That is closer to a cup contender than a last place team for sure. I'm not willing to pass blame on other people for players I hoped the team would get so I will take your blame even though I do not work for MSG. I was wrong about Brad. I was wrong about Nash. I was wrong about MSL. Now to fix those situations I would amnesty Brad. I would trade Nash for a 1st round pick. I might keep MSL because his contract is small but at the playoff deadline I would consider trading him for another 1st round pick.

J4KOP99
05-08-2014, 04:31 PM
This would have to be jd's dream job too

J4KOP99
05-08-2014, 04:32 PM
Problem is that although jd has had tremendous success, he hasn't been in major markets where the fan expectations are as intense as say ny or Boston.

fingerbang
05-08-2014, 04:39 PM
JD hasn't accomplished anything Sather hasn't done over the past 8 years or however long it's been.

nyr1980
05-08-2014, 04:45 PM
Bottom line, every season there are 8-10 teams in the league that are good enough, roster-wise and talent-wise, to win the Cup.

Actually winning it though requires not just that. Yes, you need the talent. But you also need to be healthy, get most, or all areas of your game going well, you need some luck, you need your best players to play well, but your depth guys to contribute as well, and you need all of that to a greater degree than your opponent.

But here's the kicker: You need all of those things, each round, and at exactly the same time.

Its a very good roster, IMO. Good enough to win a Cup? Yes, but you need the stars to align.

Boston has been the best team in the league all year. But they may not even reach the Conference finals, let alone the Cup finals.

Why? Well, things haven't shaken out well for them. They drew a Montreal team in the 2nd round that is actually a bad and difficult match up for them. And if they are able to get past them, they'll have to play Pittsburgh, barring a Rangers miracle, just as PIT is healthy, finding their game, and hitting on all cylinders.

Same in the west with ANA. Tougher than thought of match up with Dallas, they get banged up a bit, run into goalie questions, and what's their reward for that wonderful comback to close out that series. Oh, just the LA Kings, off an historic comeback and a freight trains momentum, playing as well as they have in months.

So much of it is things falling in your place at the right time.

nyr1980
05-08-2014, 05:09 PM
I asked you a legit and fair question giving you the benefit of hind sight that no other GM has. Your answer is fire Slats and hire JD/Torts. I'm a huge JD fan. He is one of my favorite players/people ever but are JD and Torts teams playing? We have made the playoffs in 7 of the last 8 years. That is closer to a cup contender than a last place team for sure. I'm not willing to pass blame on other people for players I hoped the team would get so I will take your blame even though I do not work for MSG. I was wrong about Brad. I was wrong about Nash. I was wrong about MSL. Now to fix those situations I would amnesty Brad. I would trade Nash for a 1st round pick. I might keep MSL because his contract is small but at the playoff deadline I would consider trading him for another 1st round pick.

I'd have loved to have JD run the team. But it wasn't in the cards.

Slats is 71. He'll step aside soon enough.

Issue with them rebuilding is organizational. The desire for playoff revenue and name guys will keep them out of picking high in the draft.

Very hard to build a great, perennially cup contending team without sucking for several years and nailing it on some high picks.

Moreover, they're not close to that yet. I just hope that when they do get there, there is a GM in place who knows this and can make his bosses in the organization understand that, "Hey, we're going to have to take our lumps for a few seasons, pick high, and form a core that we can win with that way."

Redfish
05-08-2014, 06:28 PM
I asked you a legit and fair question giving you the benefit of hind sight that no other GM has. Your answer is fire Slats and hire JD/Torts. I'm a huge JD fan. He is one of my favorite players/people ever but are JD and Torts teams playing? We have made the playoffs in 7 of the last 8 years. That is closer to a cup contender than a last place team for sure. I'm not willing to pass blame on other people for players I hoped the team would get so I will take your blame even though I do not work for MSG. I was wrong about Brad. I was wrong about Nash. I was wrong about MSL. Now to fix those situations I would amnesty Brad. I would trade Nash for a 1st round pick. I might keep MSL because his contract is small but at the playoff deadline I would consider trading him for another 1st round pick.

I answered your question the way I did because it is not legit at all. Even with perfect hindsight, nobody knows what would happen with 5 moves. It was a hypothetical question not based in reality. If I say trade Stepan and Kreider for Getzlaf and Selanne, you would say, rightly, the Ducks would have never done that trade. It is a circular discussion, at best. It wasn't a legit question, sorry.

But, what is legitimate is to expect a GM with a resource-rich organization such as the NY Rangers to have a wee bit more success, I think, than what Sather has accomplished. Again, just citing one example, the Avalanche have been more successful. If Dolan prefers to sell playoff tickets every year over winning Stanley Cup, then that is how Sather's job performance should be measured. But, as far as I can tell from public statements, our goal is to contend for the Stanley Cup.

Again, I would rather miss the playoffs 2 years in a row if it meant in year 5 we win the Stanley Cup. Sather's strategy, if he has one, over the past 15 years is to get this team to be firmly entrenched in the #10-14 spot within the league. That seems mediocre to me; if you like that, I can see why you are satisfied with Sather. We just have different goals for the team.

Redfish
05-08-2014, 06:45 PM
JD hasn't accomplished anything Sather hasn't done over the past 8 years or however long it's been.

Well, it's not exactly a fair comparison, though you may ultimately be proven accurate. JD would have to be in this position with one club with the biggest checkbook in the league for 15 years. In relatively short periods of time, he has elevated both the St. Louis and Columbus organizations to very admirable positions within the NHL. St. Louis is legit Cup contender. Columbus is not, but I think he has been there for just two years, right?

I'm not dismissing the difficulty of constructing a cup contending team. I do believe, very strongly, that 15 years with the financial resources Sather has had at his disposal is more than enough.

SLY WILLIAMS
05-08-2014, 06:59 PM
I answered your question the way I did because it is not legit at all. Even with perfect hindsight, nobody knows what would happen with 5 moves. It was a hypothetical question not based in reality. If I say trade Stepan and Kreider for Getzlaf and Selanne, you would say, rightly, the Ducks would have never done that trade. It is a circular discussion, at best. It wasn't a legit question, sorry.

But, what is legitimate is to expect a GM with a resource-rich organization such as the NY Rangers to have a wee bit more success, I think, than what Sather has accomplished. Again, just citing one example, the Avalanche have been more successful. If Dolan prefers to sell playoff tickets every year over winning Stanley Cup, then that is how Sather's job performance should be measured. But, as far as I can tell from public statements, our goal is to contend for the Stanley Cup.

Again, I would rather miss the playoffs 2 years in a row if it meant in year 5 we win the Stanley Cup. Sather's strategy, if he has one, over the past 15 years is to get this team to be firmly entrenched in the #10-14 spot within the league. That seems mediocre to me; if you like that, I can see why you are satisfied with Sather. We just have different goals for the team.

Every team in the NHL would trade missing the playoffs 2 years in a row for a cup. Problem is there is no guarantee that if we miss the playoffs for 2 years that we will win the cup. In fact many teams have missed the playoffs for a lot more than 2 years and they have not won the cup. By the way what is your strategy to make sure we miss the playoffs 2 years in a row? Do you tell the guys not to try? Do you trade all our best players?

My goal is for us to win a cup. I'm sure that is the teams goal as well. I can guarantee you nobody on this team goes in to the season saying lets come in 10-14th place. There are 30 teams trying to win the cup. Since we won it last time around 11 teams have won it. Pitt which has the 2 best players in the world have only won it once in that time. The same amount of times as the Carolina Hurricanes. I do not think a Canadian team has won the cup in those 20 years. Surely if you or I know what it takes to win a cup somebody in all of Canada would know what it takes to win as well. Maybe a guy like Mess or Gretz would know what it takes. My point is that as NYR1980 pointed out there are a lot of factors that go in to winning a cup nowadays. Many of them can not be controlled even by very good hockey people who are in the hall of fame. That is why we do not have dynasties in the NHL anymore.

SLY WILLIAMS
05-08-2014, 07:04 PM
Bottom line, every season there are 8-10 teams in the league that are good enough, roster-wise and talent-wise, to win the Cup.

Actually winning it though requires not just that. Yes, you need the talent. But you also need to be healthy, get most, or all areas of your game going well, you need some luck, you need your best players to play well, but your depth guys to contribute as well, and you need all of that to a greater degree than your opponent.

But here's the kicker: You need all of those things, each round, and at exactly the same time.

Its a very good roster, IMO. Good enough to win a Cup? Yes, but you need the stars to align.

Boston has been the best team in the league all year. But they may not even reach the Conference finals, let alone the Cup finals.

Why? Well, things haven't shaken out well for them. They drew a Montreal team in the 2nd round that is actually a bad and difficult match up for them. And if they are able to get past them, they'll have to play Pittsburgh, barring a Rangers miracle, just as PIT is healthy, finding their game, and hitting on all cylinders.

Same in the west with ANA. Tougher than thought of match up with Dallas, they get banged up a bit, run into goalie questions, and what's their reward for that wonderful comback to close out that series. Oh, just the LA Kings, off an historic comeback and a freight trains momentum, playing as well as they have in months.

So much of it is things falling in your place at the right time.


Winner winner chicken dinner. One of the most realistic posts I have read in a while. We could take Bowman, Slats, Lou, Holland and combine all their brains and still not be guaranteed a cup within 5 years. There are plenty of factors that we can not control. Very well said! :)

Redfish
05-08-2014, 07:21 PM
Every team in the NHL would trade missing the playoffs 2 years in a row for a cup. Problem is there is no guarantee that if we miss the playoffs for 2 years that we will win the cup. In fact many teams have missed the playoffs for a lot more than 2 years and they have not won the cup. By the way what is your strategy to make sure we miss the playoffs 2 years in a row? Do you tell the guys not to try? Do you trade all our best players?

My goal is for us to win a cup. I'm sure that is the teams goal as well. I can guarantee you nobody on this team goes in to the season saying lets come in 10-14th place. There are 30 teams trying to win the cup. Since we won it last time around 11 teams have won it. Pitt which has the 2 best players in the world have only won it once in that time. The same amount of times as the Carolina Hurricanes. I do not think a Canadian team has won the cup in those 20 years. Surely if you or I know what it takes to win a cup somebody in all of Canada would know what it takes to win as well. Maybe a guy like Mess or Gretz would know what it takes. My point is that as NYR1980 pointed out there are a lot of factors that go in to winning a cup nowadays. Many of them can not be controlled even by very good hockey people who are in the hall of fame. That is why we do not have dynasties in the NHL anymore.

Sly, I think you know that I stated and believe there is no reason to miss the playoffs 2 years in a row while building a cup contending team longer-term. You kept referencing the Oilers as the disaster scenario for what would happen if we tried something other than Glen Sather as our GM. So, to both of your points highlighted above, I neither advocate for or "have a strategy" to miss the playoffs 2 years in a row; that would be foolish. I would be ok with that if it meant in year 5 we were a cup contending team. Sure, that cannot be predicted, but after 15 years and being, at best, a perennial 10th-14th place team in the league, I think there are more than ample reasons to change leadership and direction of the club. Again, one-third of the league GMs have turned over the past 15 months....at least those teams are trying, after failing to reach their goals over a far less period than 15 years. What's that definition of insanity? Doing something over and over again and expecting different results? Good-bye Sather; you had your chance....show some character and transition the team into new hands.

SLY WILLIAMS
05-08-2014, 07:47 PM
You have mentioned these 15 years multiple times. Was it actually 15 seasons? Was the team Slats took over a good team? Was the farm system stocked with players that would become good NHL players?

I know Slats missed the playoffs his first 4 seasons (the team had missed for the 3 previous seasons before Slats) and has since made them 8 of the next 9 seasons so that only adds up to 13 seasons.

If you want to blame Slats for making the playoffs 8 of the last 9 years and not winning a cup that is fine. I respectfully disagree with some of the things you have said but we are all entitled to our opinions.

I asked this a few weeks ago. Out of all the players on this awful mediocre team that Slats has assembled who would you remove and who will you realistically replace them with so that we win the cup?

Redfish
05-08-2014, 08:13 PM
You have mentioned these 15 years multiple times. Was it actually 15 seasons? Was the team Slats took over a good team? Was the farm system stocked with players that would become good NHL players?

I know Slats missed the playoffs his first 4 seasons (the team had missed for the 3 previous seasons before Slats) and has since made them 8 of the next 9 seasons so that only adds up to 13 seasons.

If you want to blame Slats for making the playoffs 8 of the last 9 years and not winning a cup that is fine. I respectfully disagree with some of the things you have said but we are all entitled to our opinions.

I asked this a few weeks ago. Out of all the players on this awful mediocre team that Slats has assembled who would you remove and who will you realistically replace them with so that we win the cup?

Yeah, it actually is 15 seasons unless he didn't take a paycheck those initial 4 years because he felt so bad about what he inherited. You mean to say Sather needed 4 years to entrench the club into a mid-level position in the league? This is now getting into unchartered territory for making excuses for Sather so, seriously, I am wondering if you are an employee of his staff?

I never "blamed" Sather for making the playoffs 8 out of the last 9 years. Please, stop misrepresenting what I state; it is difficult enough to have a quality sports discussion over the internet than have to clear-up misrepresentations.....I said his efforts produce nothing better, by and large, than a mid-level hockey club in this league (I think I actually stated 10th-14th). If his boss is telling him to make the playoffs every year, even if that means it impairs our chances of making the Stanley Cup finals in future years, then Sather should be commended. But I presume the goal is to contend for the Stanley Cup.

I also never stated the team is mediocre....I've stated Sather is mediocre. At times, it is the players that have to execute; other times it is the coach that needs to step up and then there are times when the GM needs to advance the club. Sather is mediocre at this.

As for which players I'd remove, I never supported signing Richards, as one example. Within a day or two of the Callahn trade, I switched gears and stated acquiring MSL will prove short-sighted and hurt the team because, as excited as I am to "watch" (there goes that word again) St. Louis, reality told me we would not be a cup contending team during his time here. I also realized we could have stocked up on the San Jose picks and still had a good chance to acquire St. Louis this summer, at a much cheaper price ("win now" won that decision Sather had to make).

So, Richards for sure and, at best, I'd be open to acquiring St. Louis no earlier than this summer. The fact is I'd even consider waiting until February 2015 to acquire St. Louis, because our club still will not be a cup contender then and St. Louis would be 3 months away from being a UFA; i.e., maybe we'd get him for a 4th round pick.....point is his value was dropping like a rock with each passing day and Sather didn't grasp this. At worst, we'd get him for NOTHING summer 2015 because MSL wants to be near his crib in Greenwich.

One of Girardi/Stralman/Klein would have to go....their skillsets overlap too much and we need more offensive production out of these three. Girardi would be last of the three I'd consider trading. Stepan is vulnerable in my books as well. These are some examples to address your question; am sure nothing of big surprise.

The fact is though building a cup contending team takes considerable time and more than a few player moves. That is the main reason why GMs usually do have 8-10 year tenures. But Sather is up their in tenure with the best; in fact, possibly the best EVER. Do you really believe this is deserved?

You like him; I get it.

SLY WILLIAMS
05-08-2014, 08:28 PM
Yeah, it actually is 15 seasons unless he didn't take a paycheck those initial 4 years because he felt so bad about what he inherited. You mean to say Sather needed 4 years to entrench the club into a mid-level position in the league? This is now getting into unchartered territory for making excuses for Sather so, seriously, I am wondering if you are an employee of his staff?

I never "blamed" Sather for making the playoffs 8 out of the last 9 years. Please, stop misrepresenting what I state; it is difficult enough to have a quality sports discussion over the internet than have to clear-up misrepresentations.....I said his efforts produce nothing better, by and large, than a mid-level hockey club in this league (I think I actually stated 10th-14th). If his boss is telling him to make the playoffs every year, even if that means it impairs our chances of making the Stanley Cup finals in future years, then Sather should be commended. But I presume the goal is to contend for the Stanley Cup.

I also never stated the team is mediocre....I've stated Sather is mediocre. At times, it is the players that have to execute; other times it is the coach that needs to step up and then there are times when the GM needs to advance the club. Sather is mediocre at this.

As for which players I'd remove, I never supported signing Richards, as one example. Within a day or two of the Callahn trade, I switched gears and stated acquiring MSL will prove short-sighted and hurt the team because, as excited as I am to "watch" (there goes that word again) St. Louis, reality told me we would not be a cup contending team during his time here. I also realized we could have stocked up on the San Jose picks and still had a good chance to acquire St. Louis this summer, at a much cheaper price ("win now" won that decision Sather had to make).

So, Richards for sure and, at best, I'd be open to acquiring St. Louis no earlier than this summer. The fact is I'd even consider waiting until February 2015 to acquire St. Louis, because our club still will not be a cup contender then and St. Louis would be 3 months away from being a UFA; i.e., maybe we'd get him for a 4th round pick.....point is his value was dropping like a rock with each passing day and Sather didn't grasp this. At worst, we'd get him for NOTHING summer 2015 because MSL wants to be near his crib in Greenwich.

One of Girardi/Stralman/Klein would have to go....their skillsets overlap too much and we need more offensive production out of these three. Girardi would be last of the three I'd consider trading. Stepan is vulnerable in my books as well. These are some examples to address your question; am sure nothing of big surprise.

The fact is though building a cup contending team takes considerable time and more than a few player moves. That is the main reason why GMs usually do have 8-10 year tenures. But Sather is up their in tenure with the best; in fact, possibly the best EVER. Do you really believe this is deserved?

You like him; I get it.

1. You can say Slats has been here for 15 seasons but it does not make it true. He has been here for 13 seasons not 15 seasons.

2. I said if you want to blame not that you do blame.

3. You are usually a respectful guy but the same joke repeated numerous times now starts sounding like a insult so I will respectfully let you have the last word and I will stop responding.

Redfish
05-08-2014, 08:31 PM
1. You can say Slats has been here for 15 seasons but it does not make it true. He has been here for 13 seasons not 15 seasons.

2. I said if you want to blame not that you do blame.

3. You are usually a respectful guy but the same joke repeated numerous times now starts sounding like a insult so I will respectfully let you have the last word and I will stop responding.

My last word is I meant no disrespect and have no idea what you are talking about with "the same joke"? You mean, employee of NYR? Oh, I guess I can see how that might be received poorly after a few times so if it offended you I do apologize; certainly not intended that way. 15 years, 13 years, whatever....his actual hire date was June 1, 2000, so 14 years if we want to split hairs.......we have different views on Sather; I'd hate for it to be a rub in our communication. I think it just shows we both love this team.

SLY WILLIAMS
05-08-2014, 08:33 PM
My last word is I meant no disrespect and have no idea what you are talking about with "the same joke"? You mean, employee of NYR? Oh, I guess I can see how that might be received poorly after a few times so if it offended you I do apologize; certainly not intended that way. 15 years, 13 years, whatever....we have different views on Sather; I'd hate for it to be a rub in our communication. I think it just shows we both love this team.

No probs. I'm sure we both do love the team. Its been tough few days as a fan. :(

nyr1980
05-08-2014, 08:37 PM
Winner winner chicken dinner. One of the most realistic posts I have read in a while. We could take Bowman, Slats, Lou, Holland and combine all their brains and still not be guaranteed a cup within 5 years. There are plenty of factors that we can not control. Very well said! :)

Thanks Sly!

And you mentioned Bowman- which reminded me ov the 95-96 Wings. They won 62 games, had 131 points, and had 5 HOFers plus a HOF head coach. Yet they failed to even reach the finals let alone win the Cup.

You mentioned dynasties, and people cite those Wings teams which won 4 cups between 94-95 and 07-08. Yet people forget that those Wings teams were 10 years in the making, and they suffered the embarassment in 95 getting swept by the Devils, and then had that glorious season the following year yet ultimately lost in WC Finals to Colorado.

It's not about being the best team, its about being the right team at the right time.

Even in 1994, the Rangers were the best team in the league all season, yet things fell into place for them in the playoffs that year. They had favorable match ups vs NYI and WSH in the 1st 2 rounds that year. They played only 9 games in those 2 rounds, which really helped them vs NJ and VAN in 7 game series. Both those teams had played some tough series prior to meeting the Rangers, and the Rangers were fresher late in those series. Plus, they had no injuries, their top guys were great, everyone contributed, when they needed a break they got it, and they played at a high level in all phases. Great team yes, but they needed stuff to break their way, and it did.

We can go down the list of President's Trophy winners who didn't win the Cup. So much has to go right to win.

Redfish
05-08-2014, 08:38 PM
No probs. I'm sure we both do love the team. Its been tough few days as a fan. :(

Yeah, no doubt.

I'd like to buy you a beer now and talk Barry Beck and Eddie Johnstone with you but we're just internet buddies :) cheers

SLY WILLIAMS
05-08-2014, 08:41 PM
They were 2 of my faves along with JD, Gresh, Murdoch, etc. :)