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Jeffy25
04-29-2014, 07:25 PM
Just some comps for everyone....through the age of 25


He has the most 3 pointers made (905) at a .440 shooting rate

Second most made at that age was Ben Gordon at 770 who had a .415 percentage

Ray Allen had 699 at a .400 percentage

Daniel Gibson had a .416 rate, but had only made 522

Reggie Miller came to the NBA a little older, so through the age of 25, had 421 3 pointers made and a .383 percentage

abe_froman
04-29-2014, 07:31 PM
he'll probably go down as that

but i still like to have a larger body of work ,so i'll side with someone like a nash,korver or ray over him for now.

ManRam
04-29-2014, 07:33 PM
His 2 year stretch is unrivaled IMO. I say that with almost zero hesitation.

7+ 3PA per game on 42%+ shooting has only happened 4 times ever. He's done it in consecutive years now. Ray and Dennis Scott the only two ever to mix that volume with efficiency (Ray had a 41% season, worth noting since 42% is quite arbitrary).

No reason to shy away from it. He does so much of it off the dribble too, making it all the more impressive.

lol, please
04-29-2014, 07:35 PM
Did you just answer your own question in the OP jeffy? lol.

goingfor28
04-29-2014, 07:46 PM
I'm 25. Hes the best young shooter I can ever remember seeing.

Snakeyestx
04-29-2014, 11:56 PM
What's Korver's numbers at 25?

Best at his age - quite possibly, but I'd still take Korver.

Jtirado16
04-29-2014, 11:57 PM
He has a shot to be the best 3pt shooter of all time

Avenged
04-29-2014, 11:58 PM
No. Too early to determine that in terms of all around career. But if he continues shooting the way he has, no doubt.

slashsnake
04-30-2014, 12:37 AM
What's Korver's numbers at 25?

Best at his age - quite possibly, but I'd still take Korver.

Well through first five years Korver was 734 makes at .406%. vs. 905 at 44%. Korver's best year in his first 5 years in terms of 3pt accuracy doesn't hit Curry's average. Even on the per 36 minute numbers Korver was behind, but barely (2.6 makes per 36 minutes for Korver, 2.7 for Curry).

I always thought of Korver as more of a catch and shoot 3pt shooter than Steph who reminds me of being more in that ray Allen or Reggie Miller, being able to create his own shot.

But a pretty amazing career so far.. Already has 2 of the top 4 seasons in 3pters made. 3rd all time in 3pt%. Another season like his last two would push him top 50 all time already, ahead of guys like Iverson, Gary Payton, Michael Redd, Artest, and Sheed, and just behind guys like Starks, Dennis Scott, and Derek Fisher.

I know the game has changed, but wow.

FlashBolt
04-30-2014, 12:48 AM
I don't think it's fair to compare Curry and Korver. Curry is the best player on his team and gets targeted. Korver is a spot up shooter who won't draw as much attention. Curry is by far the best shooter at this point. While Korver has a higher percentage, the volume taken and percentage is insane.

AIverson
04-30-2014, 12:49 AM
How does Peja compare? He was probably the sharpest shooter I remember. Just wasn't as good a player as these other guys.

IKnowHoops
04-30-2014, 12:52 AM
Yes, because he doesn't need a screen to get his shot off and still shooting at a super high 3pt percentage. He bust off the crossover, so yes IMO.

Jeffy25
04-30-2014, 02:05 AM
What's Korver's numbers at 25?

Best at his age - quite possibly, but I'd still take Korver.

At 25, he had 623 made on .413 shooting

So less made, and a worse percentage...but that's really influenced by his rookie season

Since turning 25, Korver has a .434 rate on 1017 makes

Jeffy25
04-30-2014, 02:06 AM
Oddly enough, at only 25.....Curry is already in the top 100 all time in 3's made (96th actually...btw, Durant is 98th)....but he's shot quite a few more considering he came in at 19 (.377 percentage)

Jeffy25
04-30-2014, 02:07 AM
How does Peja compare? He was probably the sharpest shooter I remember. Just wasn't as good a player as these other guys.

Peja had 585 on .385 shooting

jerellh528
04-30-2014, 02:09 AM
I thought this was common knowledge and almost regarded as a fact already

PraiseJesus
04-30-2014, 02:39 AM
I still cant get over how much PSD hated on me when I proclaimed Steph Curry as the next big thing

Remember Deron Williams is so much more elite???

HAhAHa

PSD is funny

tredigs
04-30-2014, 03:52 AM
He's the best shooter of all time. Nobody can sniff his volume + efficiency to go along with the level of difficulty and array of shots while being a teams #1 and most heavily guarded option. He's proven this year after year ever since he's been in college, that part is done in my opinion. Having the best shooting career of all time will take longer, of course.

tm95835
04-30-2014, 08:15 AM
Have to remember thought that in the past 5 years the 3pt usage has exploded and with advanced metrics etc today being used to reenforce taking a 3 pointer it just allows guys like curry to shoot whenever he wants. He's definitely has the most pure shot in the game at the moment but with 3 point shooters becoming a must have for all teams soon there will be a better one.

If jerry west learnt about the 3 pointer and took 10 a game when he was playing he'd have been a machine as well. Even Larry bird hardly shot threes and he's known as one of the best shooters ever.

On a side note I believe steve Nash is the best shooter of all time, averaging close to 50/40/90 for his career! That's crazy

But yea Stephen is sick and the best seen so far, but really because only since he entered the league has the 3 really exploded to 20-30 shots a game

3RDASYSTEM
04-30-2014, 08:47 AM
He's the best shooter of all time. Nobody can sniff his volume + efficiency to go along with the level of difficulty and array of shots while being a teams #1 and most heavily guarded option. He's proven this year after year ever since he's been in college, that part is done in my opinion. Having the best shooting career of all time will take longer, of course.

IVERSON was him but with more physical ability, imagine if CURRY was a freak athlete with his shot/handle, he'd be better version of IVERSON

WadeKobe
04-30-2014, 11:11 AM
IVERSON was him but with more physical ability, imagine if CURRY was a freak athlete with his shot/handle, he'd be better version of IVERSON

Hahaha. Awesome. Iverson was not him.

WadeKobe
04-30-2014, 11:16 AM
I have a friend who is an old basketball coach who played NCAA ball in the 60s, was friends with Pete Marovich, wrote his doctoral dissertation on free throw form and efficiency, and coached 40 years in NCAA DivIII and NAIA.... So the man knows basketball....

This guy wrote a doctoral dissertation on shooting form based around the free throw and he can make like 800 straight free throws and three years ago he told me Steph Curry has the best shooting form of any professional he has ever seen. He told me that there is no reason why Curry won't go down as the best shooter ever if he doesn't derail his own career.

Goose17
04-30-2014, 11:30 AM
He's the best shooter of all time. Nobody can sniff his volume + efficiency to go along with the level of difficulty and array of shots while being a teams #1 and most heavily guarded option. He's proven this year after year ever since he's been in college, that part is done in my opinion. Having the best shooting career of all time will take longer, of course.

This^ 100%


On top of all that he's already taking the next step in becoming MORE than just a great shooter, when you think of the greatest pure shooters (especially from deep) the people that are usually mentioned are specialists, they shoot lights out. Curry has already proven he can score in more ways than one, he has that sweet floater and can finish around the rim pretty consistently, he's a capable distributor and has great court vision, he's a solid rebounding point guard as well given his height and frame, his defense is about average, nothing special but you can see improvements (he's gone from below average to average or maybe a little above average) if he can tighten up on the turnovers and continue to improve his defensive game he's going to have a great career.

He's an incredible shooter and that will always be the thing people think of when they hear the name Curry (between him and Dell, how could you not?) so everything else he does will be overshadowed.

Jeffy25
04-30-2014, 05:04 PM
IVERSON was him but with more physical ability, imagine if CURRY was a freak athlete with his shot/handle, he'd be better version of IVERSON

He is almost exactly as good as Iverson was overall at this point in their careers....

But as for shooting 3's....
How on earth can you even attempt to compare Iverson to Curry at shooting 3's?

Is it the .120 point difference in their 3 point shooting through the age of 25?....Or that Curry is only 100 3's off from tying Iverson all time in career 3's already made?

Pfeifer
04-30-2014, 05:19 PM
He has the quickest release I've ever seen.

Spanklin
04-30-2014, 05:33 PM
I don't think it's fair to compare Curry and Korver. Curry is the best player on his team and gets targeted. Korver is a spot up shooter who won't draw as much attention. Curry is by far the best shooter at this point. While Korver has a higher percentage, the volume taken and percentage is insane.

Korver doesn't draw much attention? Wow, just wow.

tredigs
04-30-2014, 07:01 PM
Korver doesn't draw much attention? Wow, just wow.

Korver does not handle the ball, or double crossover pullups, or hit one legged 3 point floaters. He's a catch and shoot 3pt shooter. He's Klay Thompson without playing in the post. He definitely generates a lot of attention because if he's free, you're cooked, but there's probably not a player in the league that is guarded as tightly (with or without the ball) or by more double teams than Curry. KD is the only one that I can think of who comes close.


He has the quickest release I've ever seen.
Me too. It's the most underrated aspect of his shot, and that + his handles is why he's able to get off so many of the shots that he can despite not being able to post up or get much open air inside of 35 feet.

valade16
04-30-2014, 07:37 PM
I think Nash is probably as good a 3 point shooter but he doesn't take as many by choice.

He was hitting 4.5 per game at 45% for awhile there while also dishing 11 assists. If he had chosen to distribute less and shoot more he'd have the same volume + Efficiency Curry has.

Nash has shot 43% from 3 for nearly 4,000 3 point attempts.
Curry has shot 44% from 3 for 2,000 3 point attempts.

Saying one is a better shooter than the other is nearly impossible as they are so close.

valade16
04-30-2014, 07:38 PM
I still cant get over how much PSD hated on me when I proclaimed Steph Curry as the next big thing

Remember Deron Williams is so much more elite???

HAhAHa

PSD is funny

True story. In Curry's second season I was on the Blazers forum and said we should trade Batum + Pryzbilla for Curry and everyone called me a Warriors fan in disguise and that Batum was better than Curry.

I KNEW this was coming.

tredigs
05-01-2014, 03:30 AM
I think Nash is probably as good a 3 point shooter but he doesn't take as many by choice.

He was hitting 4.5 per game at 45% for awhile there while also dishing 11 assists. If he had chosen to distribute less and shoot more he'd have the same volume + Efficiency Curry has.

Nash has shot 43% from 3 for nearly 4,000 3 point attempts.
Curry has shot 44% from 3 for 2,000 3 point attempts.

Saying one is a better shooter than the other is nearly impossible as they are so close.

Being that Curry already shoots a higher % on such a massive volume - which includes taking and making a variety of threes that Nash would've never thought to have even attempted - I'd say it's close, but very clearly in Curry's favor. I think Curry actually holds both the NCAA and NBA records for most threes made both as a rookie and in a standard season as well.

Sadds The Gr8
05-01-2014, 03:42 AM
best period

The_Jamal
05-01-2014, 03:54 AM
Barring health, he will easily go down as the greatest shooter of time. All he needs is more years

Kaner
05-01-2014, 04:09 AM
By the end of his career its either going to be him or Allen #1 or just him and then Allen in terms of top 2 ever.

MrfadeawayJB
05-01-2014, 09:57 AM
It would be interesting to see "first 3 yrs" instead of by age but in sure curry is in the top of any debate, he's magnificent

MrfadeawayJB
05-01-2014, 10:03 AM
Also steph can have a super long career and be a spot up shooter on a team towards his retirement. I could see him be the all time leader in made 3 pt fgs when his career ends

shauneazy
05-01-2014, 10:33 AM
Of course someone is going to make the most threes at such a young age when all he does is shoot more threes than anyone else in the NBA over the past two seasons by at least 43 attempts.

2013-14: first in NBA - 261 out of 615 .. second place - 218 out of 554 by Lilliard
2012-13: first in NBA - 272 out of 600 .. second place - 213 out of 557 by Ryan Anderson

Only once in Ray Allen's career has he topped 600 attempts once (653 in '05-'06 with Seattle) and two seasons with 500 attempts (528 in '01-'02 and 556 in '04-'05). Reggie Miller only topped 500 attempts once (536) in his whole career.

All I'm saying is that yea, Curry makes a lot of threes but look at the volume he's shooting at. Of course he's going to make a lot of threes when that's all he does is chuck them up. Is he a great shooter, yes. But I'm not ready to say he's the best 3-pt specialist because of his numbers when he just makes the most due to volume.

FYL_McVeezy
05-01-2014, 10:43 AM
Yes, because he doesn't need a screen to get his shot off and still shooting at a super high 3pt percentage. He bust off the crossover, so yes IMO.

Exactly. That makes him the best young shooter ever. Possibly could be better than Ray Allen and Reggie Miller when all is said and done.

tredigs
05-01-2014, 11:17 AM
Of course someone is going to make the most threes at such a young age when all he does is shoot more threes than anyone else in the NBA over the past two seasons by at least 43 attempts.

2013-14: first in NBA - 261 out of 615 .. second place - 218 out of 554 by Lilliard
2012-13: first in NBA - 272 out of 600 .. second place - 213 out of 557 by Ryan Anderson

Only once in Ray Allen's career has he topped 600 attempts once (653 in '05-'06 with Seattle) and two seasons with 500 attempts (528 in '01-'02 and 556 in '04-'05). Reggie Miller only topped 500 attempts once (536) in his whole career.

All I'm saying is that yea, Curry makes a lot of threes but look at the volume he's shooting at. Of course he's going to make a lot of threes when that's all he does is chuck them up. Is he a great shooter, yes. But I'm not ready to say he's the best 3-pt specialist because of his numbers when he just makes the most due to volume.

Yes, and look at the %'s of makes given those attempts. That's unprecedented. He has the 3rd highest % in NBA history, and the highest if you were to take out the 3 seasons where the 3pt line was shortened between 94-97. So, no, it's much more than just the volume. It's the efficiency + volume + difficulty/array of shots.

valade16
05-01-2014, 01:29 PM
Being that Curry already shoots a higher % on such a massive volume - which includes taking and making a variety of threes that Nash would've never thought to have even attempted - I'd say it's close, but very clearly in Curry's favor. I think Curry actually holds both the NCAA and NBA records for most threes made both as a rookie and in a standard season as well.

1st – While technically true about the higher %, their career %s are virtually identical (42.8% to 44.0%). I’m not going to say having made 12 more 3 pointers out of a thousand taken is enough to say “yep, clearly a better shooter”.

2nd – As I said before, the insane volume is because Curry’s first tendency is to shoot where Nash’s is to pass. Curry’s AST% is 31.1% (this year was his high at 39.9%). Nash’s is 41.5% and with the Suns it was 46.4%. So instead of taking those extra 3 attempts Curry is Nash is likely assisting someone else.

3rd – To further put the idea of the insane volume to bed, yes Curry takes a ton per season, but Nash still has a WAY higher volume of shots taken over his career by nearly double (3,900 to 2,000) and his % has not dropped to a significant level below Curry’s. If Curry can make another 2,000 3 pointers while maintaining his % he will have finally reached Nash’s overall volume.

Curry is amazing at shooting, but I’m not ready to proclaim him definitively better than Nash at this point because Nash has virtually the same % on 2,000 more attempts.

ManRam
05-01-2014, 02:31 PM
I still cant get over how much PSD hated on me when I proclaimed Steph Curry as the next big thing

Remember Deron Williams is so much more elite???

HAhAHa

PSD is funny

That was, what, 3-4 years ago?! How dare people's opinions change over a 3-4 year span!? I mean, there clearly was a time Deron was much better. Clearly not any more.

Congrats on predicting it, however. :clap: Happy?!

tredigs
05-01-2014, 04:25 PM
1st – While technically true about the higher %, their career %s are virtually identical (42.8% to 44.0%). I’m not going to say having made 12 more 3 pointers out of a thousand taken is enough to say “yep, clearly a better shooter”.

2nd – As I said before, the insane volume is because Curry’s first tendency is to shoot where Nash’s is to pass. Curry’s AST% is 31.1% (this year was his high at 39.9%). Nash’s is 41.5% and with the Suns it was 46.4%. So instead of taking those extra 3 attempts Curry is Nash is likely assisting someone else.

3rd – To further put the idea of the insane volume to bed, yes Curry takes a ton per season, but Nash still has a WAY higher volume of shots taken over his career by nearly double (3,900 to 2,000) and his % has not dropped to a significant level below Curry’s. If Curry can make another 2,000 3 pointers while maintaining his % he will have finally reached Nash’s overall volume.

Curry is amazing at shooting, but I’m not ready to proclaim him definitively better than Nash at this point because Nash has virtually the same % on 2,000 more attempts.

Nash played on teams loaded with offensive talent and he was never a #1 option. We agree that he's pass 1st (duh), but the combination of NOT taking the shot when he was covered too tightly (much of the time in favor of the teams #1 who garnered the most pressure) and simply eye-testing them both and realizing the difficulty of shots that Curry has been tasked to take (and make) should really end that debate for an objective fan.

And yes man, no shhhutyomouth Nash has taken a higher volume for his career... he has played what - 13 more seasons? Taking such a higher volume and maintaining a higher % in single seasons is much more difficult than lower volumes (only taking less contested, higher % shots) over the course of a career. He will catch up to the life totals in no time.

THE MTL
05-01-2014, 05:00 PM
I think Stephen Curry is the best three point shooter of all time. This 2 year stretch is unrivaled by anyone. And honestly, if it wasnt for his ankles breaking down in the beginning of his career, he would have even more!

Snapshot
05-01-2014, 05:13 PM
No doubt Curry is the best shooter in the game today and potentially of all time if not already, only knock I have on him is his shooting form, it's sort of unconventional in the sense that he 'pushes' the ball from his chest/stomach region (ala Marion and Kevin Martin albeit his mechanics and form is much better/prettier than those 2) as oppose to shooting a traditional jumpshot.

I could see him struggling to get it off (he's already struggled a few times this season to) later in his career once he loses that lil bit of qucikness he has and is no longer able to crossover/step back to get the separation that he so easily gets right now, once that happens it's gonna be a nightmare for him to get that shot off, especially since he's not that tall...just my 2 cents.