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P&GRealist
04-27-2014, 06:37 PM
Is it as easy as designating the minority owners into majority owners, or selling the team to someone else, or changing the name "Clippers" to something else while keeping the team in LA? Perhaps even move the franchise back to San Diego? Or worse case scenario, the team gets contracted?

Where do the Los Angeles Clippers go from here?

What do you think is the most likely scenario?

Do you think Doc stays beyond this yr? Will Chris Paul want a trade?


Even though Sterling is ousted as owner by the other 29 owners and commish, there will always be this somewhat stigma of being a Clipper or part of this franchise going forward (name change or no name change).


This is not the players or coaches fault. But what happens going forward? Does anyone really want to be part of the history books going forward with this franchise?

tredigs
04-27-2014, 06:56 PM
Well, the story has blown up to the point where I can guarantee Doc/Cp3/Blake etc won't play for Sterling next season if he retains ownership, and frankly I doubt Sterling will want to maintain ownership now that he's isolated himself as one of the biggest instant-pariahs in sports history.

Goose17
04-27-2014, 06:59 PM
Too early to tell. Depends on severity of punishment and whether or not this is isolated to him alone and not his entire family and/or board.

tredigs
04-27-2014, 07:00 PM
In reality, this is a great situation. It puts the bigotry on blast and is showcasing that nobody has tolerance for this mindset any longer (effectively ruining his "this is just our culture" argument), and it gets the Clippers organization a fresh start from one of the weakest owners in sports.

Hellcrooner
04-27-2014, 07:01 PM
Nba should command him to sell within the city.

Only two other places allowed to buy being San Diego and Buffallo.

Goose17
04-27-2014, 07:02 PM
The San Diego Clippers... don't call it a comeback. We've been here for years.

Vinylman
04-27-2014, 07:02 PM
premature... must wait to see if Silver has any balls... hope he does...

Clippersfan86
04-27-2014, 07:05 PM
There are literally only two possible scenarios.

1. Sterling stays, is fined millions and suspended for part of next season (chump change to him). Doc quits during exit interview. CP3+DJ and others demand trades. Blake gets left with a skeleton roster for the most part with pretty much zero ability to lure free agents. Rookies refuse to play for the team.


2. Sterling is ousted somehow. New ownership smooths things over with everybody. Maybe we lose a player or two, maybe an assistant coach who wants a fresh start... but things mostly recover.



Unfortunately, I highly doubt the league can find a loophole to oust Sterling. So I'm thinking option 1 occurs here. I'm fully expecting to turn in my fan card. I've poured so much into this team, not sure I have the heart to jump onto another team.

AddiX
04-27-2014, 07:11 PM
He will sell... He has no choice


Anyone else curious if he made his girlfriend do some kind of weird slave master role-play fetish type ish? I bet he did.

ewing
04-27-2014, 07:16 PM
He will sell... He has no choice


Anyone else curious if he made his girlfriend do some kind of weird slave master role-play fetish type ish? I bet he did.



definitely. you know she is a ho just for being with the old creep, now you add on this type of treatment. yuck. I hope they somehow just get him out of the game and move on. I was glad Jeff was doing the game today and they mostly kept the focus on basketball instead of on this old money scumbag

B'sCeltsPatsSox
04-27-2014, 07:23 PM
Best case scenario is that the NBA takes over the team and thus everyone will stay. Honestly think that is what will happen if anything.

Clippersfan86
04-27-2014, 07:28 PM
Proud of Blake Griffin. Paul has clearly quit on this team mentally (never felt he made this his home anyway). Blake kept his composure and handled his interviews with beautiful class and intelligence. CP3 looked like he didn't even give a **** or want to be anywhere near this team again. Such fake answers. Always seemed like a frontrunner to me. On CNN CP3's brother just said "This is the most devastating news he's had in this league besides the trade veto stopping him from going to the Lakers".

Paul is apparently the first guy who would demand a trade and I'm 100 percent okay with Paul leaving. He's not going to lead us anywhere anyway. My biggest fear is Doc/BG/DJ leaving. That is our true big 3 and core we need going forward, desperately. If we lose those 3... goodnight Clippers.

Tony_Starks
04-27-2014, 07:30 PM
There are literally only two possible scenarios.

1. Sterling stays, is fined millions and suspended for part of next season (chump change to him). Doc quits during exit interview. CP3+DJ and others demand trades. Blake gets left with a skeleton roster for the most part with pretty much zero ability to lure free agents. Rookies refuse to play for the team.


2. Sterling is ousted somehow. New ownership smooths things over with everybody. Maybe we lose a player or two, maybe an assistant coach who wants a fresh start... but things mostly recover.



Unfortunately, I highly doubt the league can find a loophole to oust Sterling. So I'm thinking option 1 occurs here. I'm fully expecting to turn in my fan card. I've poured so much into this team, not sure I have the heart to jump onto another team.

What makes you think Blake wouldn't demand a trade too?

sens#11fan
04-27-2014, 07:33 PM
Proud of Blake Griffin. Paul has clearly quit on this team mentally (never felt he made this his home anyway). Blake kept his composure and handled his interviews with beautiful class and intelligence. CP3 looked like he didn't even give a **** or want to be anywhere near this team again. Such fake answers. Always seemed like a frontrunner to me. On CNN CP3's brother just said "This is the most devastating news he's had in this league besides the trade veto stopping him from going to the Lakers".

Paul is apparently the first guy who would demand a trade and I'm 100 percent okay with Paul leaving. He's not going to lead us anywhere anyway. My biggest fear is Doc/BG/DJ leaving. That is our true big 3 and core we need going forward, desperately. If we lose those 3... goodnight Clippers.

How do you know paul is not loyal to the team and that he won't lead the clippers?

Clippersfan86
04-27-2014, 07:33 PM
Blake's a loyal guy. I'm not saying he wouldn't for sure... but I can promise you Paul/Doc would bail before Blake. He's far more level headed than CP3.

P&GRealist
04-27-2014, 07:33 PM
Best case scenario is that the NBA takes over the team and thus everyone will stay. Honestly think that is what will happen if anything.

So we can have another Chris Paul veto fiasco again?

NO THANK YOU. :laugh2:

Funny how the NBA owned Hornets vetoed a trade so they can send CP3 to a franchise that could very well become....the NBA owned Clippers.

Clippersfan86
04-27-2014, 07:35 PM
How do you know paul is not loyal to the team and that he won't lead the clippers?

His actions in his 3 years here have screamed fickle loyalty to me.

1. Fake *** press conference when traded here, trying to act like we were always his first choice, when clearly the Lakers were.

2. Had Vinny ousted the summer before, said he'd only play for a black coach apparently. I liked the result, didn't like Paul trying to power trip the organization and grab it by the balls.

3. Tried to team up with Dwight in free agency, but when that wasn't possible financially, settled for us and acted like it was the only option he ever wanted to make.


He's just been a diva at times and when he talks.. I never felt like his heart is 100 percent with us. It's exactly why I've never been able to get attached to the guy. He won't lead us anywhere because the two years he was our best player, we were out early in the playoffs and he's been too easy to lock down in the playoffs by bigger defenders.

Cal827
04-27-2014, 07:36 PM
Cue the Paul to Laker rumors... again :D

torocan
04-27-2014, 07:42 PM
1. Sterling stays, is fined millions and suspended for part of next season (chump change to him). Doc quits during exit interview. CP3+DJ and others demand trades. Blake gets left with a skeleton roster for the most part with pretty much zero ability to lure free agents. Rookies refuse to play for the team.

You're not thinking creatively enough.

Think something more like $10M+ fine, 10 year suspension, and strip the Clippers of the next 10 years of draft picks.

The Clippers might be worth $500M+ today, but how much would another potential buyer pay for a team that didn't own a draft pick for the next 10 years where every star ran for the exits? Would Sterling think he's going to out-live that when he's 80 years old already or just pick up his ball and go home?

That hits Sterling a LOT harder than a fine.

P&GRealist
04-27-2014, 07:47 PM
Cue the Paul to Laker rumors... again :D

Nash, Kelly, Kendall Marshall and Lotto pick to the Clippers for CP3 :D

Cal827
04-27-2014, 07:49 PM
I feel for Clippers fans here. It's unfortunate that their dumb racist **** of an owner has likely cost them what could have been years at contending for a championship (I think a few guys are gonna want to leave once the season ends. While they might be able to acquire some players, they will have issues drawing high-end talent for as long as Sterling is owner of the team, whether him selling the team or him dying changes that.

Tony_Starks
04-27-2014, 07:49 PM
Blake's a loyal guy. I'm not saying he wouldn't for sure... but I can promise you Paul/Doc would bail before Blake. He's far more level headed than CP3.

Being level headed and loyal have nothing to do with it. Actually it does but its about being loyal to what is right, not the organization. They showed you that today. If Sterling stays all the stars bail.

The only players that would stay are guys on very low salaries that can't afford to make waves, and even some of them will bail.

Cal827
04-27-2014, 07:50 PM
Nash, Kelly, Kendall Marshall and Lotto pick to the Clippers for CP3 :D

LOL, remember, it's the Lakers.

Probably Kelly, Sacre, 2nd round pick, for CP3, Blake and two unprotected picks from 2015, 2017

Dade County
04-27-2014, 08:37 PM
I think Blake should say, that he will not resign with the Clippers and any team that would trade for him, he will not owe any obligation to the team that trades for him.

This will force Donald Sterling to sale his team high instead of losing blake and sailing low.


Cp3 should also demand a trade at the end off the season/play off run.

John Walls Era
04-27-2014, 08:41 PM
He will sell... He has no choice


Anyone else curious if he made his girlfriend do some kind of weird slave master role-play fetish type ish? I bet he did.

Thats probably the reason he picked her.

goingfor28
04-27-2014, 09:04 PM
I think Blake should say, that he will not resign with the Clippers and any team that would trade for him, he will not owe any obligation to the team that trades for him.

This will force Donald Sterling to sale his team high instead of losing blake and sailing low.


Cp3 should also demand a trade at the end off the season/play off run.

He is under contract fire threw next several seasons though so he can't really refuse to re sign. Whatever happens though if DTS is still the owner it's going to be messy

Cal827
04-27-2014, 09:09 PM
I think Blake should say, that he will not resign with the Clippers and any team that would trade for him, he will not owe any obligation to the team that trades for him.

This will force Donald Sterling to sale his team high instead of losing blake and sailing low.


Cp3 should also demand a trade at the end off the season/play off run.

LOL, you're just looking to load up your HEAT for another playoff run aren't you :D

Hulk6
04-27-2014, 09:29 PM
You're not thinking creatively enough.

Think something more like $10M+ fine, 10 year suspension, and strip the Clippers of the next 10 years of draft picks.

The Clippers might be worth $500M+ today, but how much would another potential buyer pay for a team that didn't own a draft pick for the next 10 years where every star ran for the exits? Would Sterling think he's going to out-live that when he's 80 years old already or just pick up his ball and go home?

That hits Sterling a LOT harder than a fine.

youre thinking too hard. That would kill the organization. theyre going to attack sterling personally

Sssmush
04-27-2014, 09:29 PM
He will sell... He has no choice


Anyone else curious if he made his girlfriend do some kind of weird slave master role-play fetish type ish? I bet he did.

Honestly, from the tenor of their conversation I'm pretty sure the scenario looked something more like this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axmz2wiF4m4

I mean I'm sure if she ask him "u mad?" the answer is yes but it's pretty clear she is about to give it to him like nobody else ever did. She is breaking out the heavy gear and it doesn't look like he's got any kind of "safe word" that is going to slow her down. He's just going to have to bite the pillow and take it hard for the rest of the NBA playoffs.

One other thing. We mostly all agree that this rips the scab off the Clippers organization and reveals his attitude and approach toward the players, the coaches, the league and yes the game of basketball itself (e.g. "those boys are just happy to be out there bouncing that ball around and they should be glad to get whatever I pay them") for what it was. That's not to say that the free market aspect of his approach wasn't ultimately more "pro player" than the tough salary cap rules that the other owners who couldn't control their own spending eventually colluded together in order to impose. But that's just dollars and cents; I think everybody has suspected for a long time, especially after everything Elgin Baylor said, that behind the immense condescension and disdain for the NBA was a deeper and more explicitly racial animus about this whole "basketball" thing.

I don't think a run in the Republican primary is very likely, but by the time Sterling's lawyers are done wrasslin with the NBA league office he will probably pocket a ridiculous check for a record buyout from some eager investment group. Still a good deal though because NBA team values will likely double or triple in the near future so he'd for sure rather not be forced to sell and leave the mega profit party, but oh well he'll take his $650M cut. But what I'm trying to get too is the fact that while his GFE is funny as hell for recording this and posting it to TMZ she better capitalize hard, because recording your john's and posting it to news organizations is usually not the best career strategy for a ho (errr, "escort". errr "girlfriend". whatever). But who knows, maybe she has friends in high places by now.

Anyhow, everybody wins, and the major bastion of racism in the NBA (which was always there all this time, whether we knew about it or not) goes down.

nycericanguy
04-27-2014, 09:51 PM
I think people are getting carried away... Clippers moving? CP3, DOC, Blake leaving?

All because DS was recorded saying something racist?

Look it was wrong, but people of all races say racist things all the time.

I would be very surprised if any of the stuff being talked about in this thread happened.

At the end of the day how can you really "punish" someone for saying something in the privacy of their own home?

Timmmahhh
04-27-2014, 09:53 PM
Two Words...

Washington Generals

mdm692
04-27-2014, 09:55 PM
Move em to Seattle.

Seizabmc
04-27-2014, 09:58 PM
I find it funny how just a few weeks ago they did a pol on who the worst owner in the nba was and everyone said James Dolan was the worst.

Well not no more he aint.
Lets see, James Dolan hires Phil Jackson to run the knicks while Donald is trash talking 95% of the nba.

I'd say that Donald is worse.

Now hopefully cp3 will demand a trade to the knicks since you clipper fans don't want him anymore.

Sssmush
04-27-2014, 10:01 PM
I think people are getting carried away... Clippers moving? CP3, DOC, Blake leaving?

All because DS was recorded saying something racist?

Look it was wrong, but people of all races say racist things all the time.

I would be very surprised if any of the stuff being talked about in this thread happened.

At the end of the day how can you really "punish" someone for saying something in the privacy of their own home?

Well yes and no. It's a huge PR issue for the league, a significant negative.

Sterling has already been a gross eyesore for the league for a long time, and now if he's branded as a serious philosophical racist, as his own words seem to insist he is, then the problem become much worse. The league will be just getting punked out continually if Sterling turns into an ugly Strom Thurmond thumming his nose constantly at the NBA's culture of inclusiveness, equality and racial harmony by saying explicitly racial stuff in public.

This gives the NBA a real interest in changing the situation. Yes he can retreat into his castle like Quasimodo and hide for a few years while his lawyers fight it out; this is the probable outcome, and he will probably enjoy the attention and use it as another opportunity to express his disdain for "the black athlete" while making huge profits from promoting or exhibiting them (along with white, european, asian, eastern european, etc athletes as well).

Cheers! Giant stubborn ridiculous Donald Sterling racist sideshow starts in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.......

GunFactor187
04-27-2014, 10:09 PM
If the Pistons could get Chris Paul... :drool:

DillyDill
04-27-2014, 10:11 PM
If the Lakers could get Chris Paul... :drool:
Fixed lol

mdm692
04-27-2014, 10:42 PM
Jeremy Lin and Asik for CP3? He appears to only discriminate against black people for some reason.

Aust
04-27-2014, 11:49 PM
Nba should command him to sell within the city.

Only two other places allowed to buy being San Diego and Buffallo.

Would love this.

P&GRealist
04-27-2014, 11:55 PM
Jeremy Lin and Asik for CP3? He appears to only discriminate against black people for some reason.

Lol

Dade County
04-28-2014, 12:24 AM
LOL, you're just looking to load up your HEAT for another playoff run aren't you :D

lol

I just want this guy to sale the team...thats all.

flea
04-28-2014, 12:35 AM
There are literally only two possible scenarios.

1. Sterling stays, is fined millions and suspended for part of next season (chump change to him). Doc quits during exit interview. CP3+DJ and others demand trades. Blake gets left with a skeleton roster for the most part with pretty much zero ability to lure free agents. Rookies refuse to play for the team.


2. Sterling is ousted somehow. New ownership smooths things over with everybody. Maybe we lose a player or two, maybe an assistant coach who wants a fresh start... but things mostly recover.



Unfortunately, I highly doubt the league can find a loophole to oust Sterling. So I'm thinking option 1 occurs here. I'm fully expecting to turn in my fan card. I've poured so much into this team, not sure I have the heart to jump onto another team.

Nah I'm pretty sure neither of those scenarios is very likely, much less the only possibilities.

tmacsc2
04-28-2014, 01:10 AM
Send em to seattle!!!!! LA doesnt need 2 teams... lol

TrueFan420
04-28-2014, 02:12 AM
Nash, Kelly, Kendall Marshall and Lotto pick to the Clippers for CP3 :D

Then love signs with you and Kobe sheds his skin like a snake and turns back the clock to age 26 Kobe

5ass
04-28-2014, 02:37 AM
He's going to be forced to sell I'm sure. I think the NBA will buy it like they did with the hornets and veto another cp3 trade to the Lakers lolololol.

Crackadalic
04-28-2014, 03:02 AM
I think people are getting carried away... Clippers moving? CP3, DOC, Blake leaving?

All because DS was recorded saying something racist?

Look it was wrong, but people of all races say racist things all the time.

I would be very surprised if any of the stuff being talked about in this thread happened.

At the end of the day how can you really "punish" someone for saying something in the privacy of their own home?

Because it's a PR nightmare

It's one thing when only nba circles and a few heads know he's a known racist

It's another thing when you have regular non basketball people who probably hates sports know he's a racist

Privacy or not this can potentially hurt the franchise financially especially in a city like LA and that fact that it's out there shows it's already too late for sterling to just pay a fine

The nba is all about positive image. This is not.

torocan
04-28-2014, 03:21 AM
youre thinking too hard. That would kill the organization. theyre going to attack sterling personally

That's kind of the point. You inform him that either he agrees to the sale, or you will implement such drastic sanctions that it kills the team, Sterling loses hundreds of millions of dollars, his players desert him, and he's a social pariah.

His option is take the deal and his money, or don't take the deal and lose a fortune.

You can't actually attack Sterling in any meaningful way without crippling the team, or threatening to do so. Pure fines aren't enough unless you find a way to fine him $50-$100M+.

The Clippers will lose loads of money, and either Sterling eats the loss out of pocket, or he has to file bankruptcy and then the NBA can seize operations under the NBA bylaws and force a sale anyway.

shep33
04-28-2014, 03:21 AM
I am not so sure that Sterling willingly sells the Clippers. Simmons brought up a valid point on countdown... Sterling has a long history of being a power hungry, crude businessman.

Just reading through some of his old stunts, I just don't see him giving away this team, which finally has championship aspirations, willingly. Check this out:


In 2009, Sterling paid a $2.725 million settlement in a lawsuit brought by the Justice Department accusing him of systematically driving African-Americans, Latinos and families with children out of apartment buildings he owned.


When Kim Hughes, then an assistant coach for the Los Angeles Clippers, was found to have prostate cancer on the eve of training camp in 2004, he learned what it was like to work in Donald Sterling’s world.

Hughes wanted to postpone surgery. The disease ran in the family, usually slowly. But after Coach Mike Dunleavy encouraged Hughes to get another opinion, the second doctor urged Hughes to have surgery quickly. When Hughes contacted the Clippers about his health insurance coverage, he was told the surgery was not covered. If they made an exception for him, they would have to do so for everyone.


Sterling has been sued by the former Clippers general manager Elgin Baylor, who accused him of envisioning “a Southern plantation-type structure” for the Clippers, and by Dunleavy, who accused Sterling of refusing to pay him the balance of his contract after he was fired.


Joe Safety, a longtime Clippers public relations official who resigned last year, was vigilant around Sterling because of the owner’s unpredictability. It was not uncommon for Safety to aggressively cut off reporters who tried to approach Sterling, who was a regular presence at courtside or in the dining area adjacent to the media work room at Staples Center.


When N.B.A. Commissioner David Stern fined him $25 million, Sterling sued the league for $100 million. Stern cut the fine to $6 million, taking it out of Sterling’s cut from expansion fees.

Doesn't seem like a man who would bow to pressure in order to please the public. He's probably going to fight for keeping ownership of the team.

Link to quotes and full article: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/28/sports/basketball/clippers-owner-donald-sterling-has-public-record-of-bad-behavior.html?_r=0

P&GRealist
04-28-2014, 03:30 AM
I am not so sure that Sterling willingly sells the Clippers. Simmons brought up a valid point on countdown... Sterling has a long history of being a power hungry, crude businessman.

Just reading through some of his old stunts, I just don't see him giving away this team, which finally has championship aspirations, willingly. Check this out:









Doesn't seem like a man who would bow to pressure in order to please the public. He's probably going to fight for keeping ownership of the team.

Link to quotes and full article: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/28/sports/basketball/clippers-owner-donald-sterling-has-public-record-of-bad-behavior.html?_r=0


If that's the case, you can say goodbye to both Doc and CP3. If Sterling stays, those 2 are gone.

TrueFan420
04-28-2014, 03:33 AM
I am not so sure that Sterling willingly sells the Clippers. Simmons brought up a valid point on countdown... Sterling has a long history of being a power hungry, crude businessman.

Just reading through some of his old stunts, I just don't see him giving away this team, which finally has championship aspirations, willingly. Check this out:









Doesn't seem like a man who would bow to pressure in order to please the public. He's probably going to fight for keeping ownership of the team.

Link to quotes and full article: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/28/sports/basketball/clippers-owner-donald-sterling-has-public-record-of-bad-behavior.html?_r=0

Yea I agree with this and those who think it will be an easy fix are extremely wrong. I could see him telling players that demand trades no and if they sit out they won't be paid and will lose out on valuable dollar earning years which most can't afford. As for doc quitting, if he does so, I believe he wouldn't be able to coach until his contract ends with the clippers and he wouldn't receive money (tho I'm sure he could live off what he has easily).

It's gonna be very very interesting to see what happens.

TrueFan420
04-28-2014, 03:35 AM
If that's the case, you can say goodbye to both Doc and CP3. If Sterling stays, those 2 are gone.

It's not exactly that simple. They're under contract and can't just break it if they want to see any of the money and if they want to play/coach in the nba for the remainder of their contracts.

bluefire7002
04-28-2014, 03:50 AM
If that's the case, you can say goodbye to both Doc and CP3. If Sterling stays, those 2 are gone.

Also if Sterling does stay, I just don't see any big free agents willing to sign to the Clippers. He is going to screw the franchise if he doesn't sell.

Touchdownboy
04-28-2014, 04:26 AM
I am not so sure that Sterling willingly sells the Clippers. Simmons brought up a valid point on countdown... Sterling has a long history of being a power hungry, crude businessman.

Son of immigrants, now owns a professional sports franchise.

His business career speaks for itself.

5ass
04-28-2014, 04:26 AM
Guy will have no choice but to sell. He risks losing 100s of millions.

tredigs
04-28-2014, 04:27 AM
Son of immigrants, now owns a professional sports franchise.

His business career speaks for itself.

Just the beacon of an amazing individual that all should look up to, right boy?

Touchdownboy
04-28-2014, 04:28 AM
Guy will have no choice but to sell. He risks losing 100s of millions.
Haha where do you people come up with this stuff?

Unless the arena ends up empty, he & the Clippers will be fine. How long has be been the owner?

Touchdownboy
04-28-2014, 04:29 AM
Just the beacon of an amazing individual that all should look up to, right boy?
All signs point to people being bitter he doesn't let PC pressure get in the way of generating money.

tredigs
04-28-2014, 04:40 AM
All signs point to people being bitter he doesn't let PC pressure get in the way of generating money.

I'd say all signs point to the fact that people can't co-sign for an already notoriously inept owner (arguably the worst in sports history) harboring feelings of bigotry, shame and malice towards a race and culture who helped grow his NBA fortune from 12 to 500+ million.

I'm not a fan of how he got outed, but the fact remains that they did, and now he's being ostracized and rightfully so. Not wise to open a synagogue if you're an anti-semite, and don't run an NBA franchise if you're not fond of the company of those around you being associated with blacks.

Simple rules to live by I'd imagine, and he got away with it for quite some time, but the reality of the present (both cultural acceptance and invasion of privacy) reared its head.

DillyDill
04-28-2014, 04:53 AM
Quick question guys, doesn't Sterling automatically get money from us just for tuning in on our TV's?

shep33
04-28-2014, 04:58 AM
Son of immigrants, now owns a professional sports franchise.

His business career speaks for itself.

His actions are crude and disgusting when you look at some of the things he's done in his real estate career as well as the long list of **** as an NBA owner.

tredigs
04-28-2014, 05:02 AM
Quick question guys, doesn't Sterling automatically get money from us just for tuning in on our TV's?

Pretty sure the networks (both local and national) just negotiate flat rate deals for X amount of years and get to keep whatever proceeds for viewership and associated ad-sales for themselves.

DillyDill
04-28-2014, 05:07 AM
Pretty sure the networks (both local and national) just negotiate flat rate deals for X amount of years and get to keep whatever proceeds for viewership and associated ad-sales for themselves.

Ok thanks, so the only way Stering can get his money is through ticket holders and merchandise sales?

tredigs
04-28-2014, 05:12 AM
Ok thanks, so the only way Stering can get his money is through ticket holders and merchandise sales?
Yeah as far as week to week revenue, I'd imagine that's close to correct. The guy is going out filthy rich regardless, but boycott wise that would effect his bottom line the most. If it went too far and operations had to start cutting labor, though, that would be some pretty unfortunate collateral damage.

DillyDill
04-28-2014, 05:18 AM
Yeah as far as week to week revenue, I'd imagine that's close to correct. The guy is going out filthy rich regardless, but boycott wise that would effect his bottom line the most. If it went too far and operations had to start cutting labor, though, that would be some pretty unfortunate collateral damage.

Yea your right he's sitting pretty regardless. Ticket holders won't hold out for to long and a boycott can only do so much damage. And if he still owned the team into 2015 they wouldnt boycott all 82 gms it's impossible.

torocan
04-28-2014, 12:59 PM
Haha where do you people come up with this stuff?

Unless the arena ends up empty, he & the Clippers will be fine. How long has be been the owner?

State Farm and Carmax are terminating their sponsorships of the Clippers. There are other sponsors that are yet to come.

I have no doubt season ticket holders are looking at not renewing or terminating their tickets.

Millions of dollars in lost revenue/profit translates to many times more in asset value. Stocks are often valued at a 5 PE, or 20:1 profit to value multiplier. For every $1m in lost profit, you lose $20M in sale value.

$10M in lost revenue between lost sponsors and tickets is enough to cost you $200M in asset value. Sterling dragging this out could end up costing him $100M+ by the time the team is sold.

torocan
04-28-2014, 01:03 PM
Ok thanks, so the only way Stering can get his money is through ticket holders and merchandise sales?

Local franchises earn money through ticket sales, concession sales, in arena merchandise (including jerseys), local television deals (typically already set rate, but subject to new rates upon contract renegotiation), and team/arena advertising sponsorships like video ads, in arena banners, etc.

Statefarm and Carmax are likely worth $100k's to $1M+ in advertising revenue. The loss of sponsors not only costs direct money, but drives down the value of other ad space for the team. Supply and demand, the fewer people that want to buy your ads, the less ALL the ads are worth.

Goose17
04-28-2014, 01:14 PM
I forgot about Doc getting his house burned down by some KKK type mother****ers.

If Sterling is still there next season Doc is gone for sure.

Goose17
04-28-2014, 01:16 PM
Local franchises earn money through ticket sales, concession sales, in arena merchandise (including jerseys), local television deals (typically already set rate, but subject to new rates upon contract renegotiation), and team/arena advertising sponsorships like video ads, in arena banners, etc.

Statefarm and Carmax are likely worth $100k's to $1M+ in advertising revenue. The loss of sponsors not only costs direct money, but drives down the value of other ad space for the team. Supply and demand, the fewer people that want to buy your ads, the less ALL the ads are worth.

Good thing he only paid 12mil for the Clippers and they're currently worth about 30 times that.

They just force the sale, he'll make a profit and everyone wins.

SanPitte
04-28-2014, 01:52 PM
option #157, Sterling keeps the team and gets rid of all the players who want to leave, and creates an all-white team (kind of like the T-wolves) that becomes the villains of the NBA and the most hated team in sports history.

all around the world, racists and white supremacists buy Clippers jerseys and the team becomes a racism symbol, like the Lazio Rome in soccer.

Pistol_Pete
04-28-2014, 02:00 PM
It's upsetting, but I kind of feel like Donald Sterling doesn't really lose either way.

He bought the team for $12.5. If he someone is forced to sell or is coerced to sell, he's going to make hundreds of millions of dollars. Even if the team loses money, sponsors and advertisers, he's going to make a ton of money. Even if he had to give up the team for $0, he'd not at a loss for money. So he's not getting hurt financially.

It doesn't seem like he cares that much about his image. He's had this stigma attached to him for years. As for the players, we're talking millions upon millions of dollars here. You'd think they would want to leave, but unfortunately money is big to people. And then there's the "no free agents will sign" thing. The Clippers had been losers for decades. Winning didn't seem to matter. A marquee player didn't seem to matter. So players not wanting to go there might not phase him.

As for what happens, I'm curious. I'd love for him to have to be able to sell the team and then get only lowball offers. I'd bet that he gets some sort of fine and ban where he can own the team but doesn't have day to day contact or any operational control (which would hopefully push him to sell). I don't think anyone is going to not want to use the Clippers name because of this. I don't think they need to move or rename. But, the team is cursed.

I hope he gets his HARD, and I hope there's some sort of clause that would let the players opt-out due to "working conditions" or something, but with that much money, he's probably not going to get hurt that bad.

J4KOP99
04-28-2014, 02:04 PM
People trying to hurt Sterling are wasting their time. He is too old, too rich, and wayyyy too stubborn. Take the team away from him? Good luck. Suspend him? What the hell does that even do at this point? This has already gone too far. Stern ****ed this one up 30 years ago. I have known Sterling is this big of a piece of **** for a long time, so clearly everyone that works for the NBA and owns an NBA franchise knows that too. Yet they have let him own the Clippers for all this time? It's a joke. Stern deserves just as much heat as Sterling right now.

The problem I have is that something else seems to be going on. This girlfriend is definitely working with other people right now in an attempt to take down Sterling. For what? I don't know but I HIGHLY doubt it is out of the good of her heart.


The other thing is that sterling has, ironically, given many opportunities to african americans with major positions within his franchise. I'm also pretty sure he donated to Obamas campaign (this doesn't really mean much) and was somehow about to get an award from the NAACP. So I would not say he hates black people and minorities but he clearly does not see them as equals to whites. I just find it hard to believe you can force him to sell his franchise for this tape alone. As I said before, I think Sterling is a piece of **** but I thought that a long time before I heard this tape.

SanPitte
04-28-2014, 02:05 PM
i don't get how a man that hates black people so much can spend millions of dollars for them
OTOH i don't get how black players who know he's racist can accept his millions, while most of them could have had the same millions somewhere else

P&GRealist
04-28-2014, 02:06 PM
I've got the ultimate solution following this season.

The Los Angeles Clippers should be CONTRACTED and no longer part of the league. That will make all the players and coaches free agents, they can sign anywhere they want. Maybe their current contracts will become void.

goingfor28
04-28-2014, 02:09 PM
I've got the ultimate solution following this season.

The Los Angeles Clippers should be CONTRACTED and no longer part of the league. That will make all the players and coaches free agents, they can sign anywhere they want. Maybe their current contracts will become void.

How the **** is that a solution?

ewing
04-28-2014, 02:20 PM
They will likely have new more competent ownership and an excellent core.

P&GRealist
04-28-2014, 02:21 PM
How the **** is that a solution?

The other 29 owners don't want to have anything to do with Sterling. IF Sterling won't sell, this is the ONLY way to go.

torocan
04-28-2014, 02:25 PM
How the **** is that a solution?

Well, you could contract the team and reissue a new franchise to the new ownership group in LA. It might have to be under a different name in LA, but it's possible.

I don't think it's a practical end solution, but it is potentially usable as a nuclear option to back Sterling into a corner.

goingfor28
04-28-2014, 02:53 PM
I'm all for new ownership and team name to rid the franchise of the DTS era but making everyone a FA makes no sense

torocan
04-28-2014, 02:59 PM
I'm all for new ownership and team name to rid the franchise of the DTS era but making everyone a FA makes no sense

Well, I would assume that if they decided to use that option they would work something out with the NBAPA to keep the team intact at the point of contraction, ie, they would all agree to begin new contracts at the same terms of the contracts they had with the Clippers.

They would also have to work out an agreement with Staples to terminate the current lease and take on a new lease with the new ownership group, as well as contracts with vendors/etc. It would be complicated as heck if they wanted to stay in Staples given the myriad of sponsors, vendors, 3rd party contracts, etc.

If they REALLY wanted to push the issue, they could put the Clippers in another arena temporarily until the Staples/vendor situation was resolved.

No easy task by any stretch, but completely possible if the Owners were willing to push it hard enough.

bluefire7002
04-28-2014, 03:37 PM
Well, you could contract the team and reissue a new franchise to the new ownership group in LA. It might have to be under a different name in LA, but it's possible.

I don't think it's a practical end solution, but it is potentially usable as a nuclear option to back Sterling into a corner.

New ownership is most likely what will happen when Sterling finally decides to give the Clippers up. Either way I don't see the Clippers having a new group of owners and everything solved in one offseason. They will mostly be NBA owned for a year or so.

Goose17
04-28-2014, 04:22 PM
Sterling apologises and is fined a very substantial amount of money,

Clippers trade a bunch of people, end up with a roster of

G: Ricky Rubio/Steve Blake
G: J.J Redick/Jimmer Fredette
F: Chandler Parsons/Danilo Gallinari
F: Kevin Love/Andrea Bargnani
C: Marcin Gortat/Pau Gasol

Vinylman
04-28-2014, 04:26 PM
State Farm and Carmax are terminating their sponsorships of the Clippers. There are other sponsors that are yet to come.

I have no doubt season ticket holders are looking at not renewing or terminating their tickets.

Millions of dollars in lost revenue/profit translates to many times more in asset value. Stocks are often valued at a 5 PE, or 20:1 profit to value multiplier. For every $1m in lost profit, you lose $20M in sale value.

$10M in lost revenue between lost sponsors and tickets is enough to cost you $200M in asset value. Sterling dragging this out could end up costing him $100M+ by the time the team is sold.

every Private Equity valuation guy is cringing at the above... you are embarrassing yourself...

BIG worm
04-28-2014, 04:50 PM
#ClippersBoycott....people need to stop going to games until he is ousted.

Touchdownboy
04-28-2014, 05:00 PM
#ClippersBoycott....people need to stop going to games until he is ousted.
I'm boycotting food until he dies

Vinylman
04-28-2014, 05:03 PM
I just took Sterling in my death pool

torocan
04-28-2014, 05:09 PM
every Private Equity valuation guy is cringing at the above... you are embarrassing yourself...

If you're using an income valuation model, then it's correct.
If you're using a comparative valuation model, then it would be different.
If you're using an asset liquidation model, it would be very different.

Feel free to talk to ask a private valuation guy. The difference between the Chris Paul clippers and a Milwaukee Bucks Clippers is hundreds of millions of dollars. Walk all the sponsors out. Lose all your big free agents and the ability to sign other free agents and the impact will be quite large.

If you actually know anything about equity/asset valuation, you're free to post an analysis that factors in the impact of long term brand damage, and declining brand and asset value.

Vinylman
04-28-2014, 05:11 PM
If you're using an income valuation model, then it's correct.
If you're using a comparative valuation model, then it would be different.
If you're using an asset liquidation model, it would be very different.

Feel free to talk to ask a private valuation guy. The difference between the Chris Paul clippers and a Milwaukee Bucks Clippers is hundreds of millions of dollars. Walk all the sponsors out. Lose all your big free agents and the ability to sign other free agents and the impact will be quite large.

If you actually know anything about equity/asset valuation, you're free to post an analysis that factors in the impact of long term brand damage, and declining brand and asset value.

you suggest a 20x multiple on sales... I don't need to ask anyone anything... you are delusional

torocan
04-28-2014, 06:02 PM
you suggest a 20x multiple on sales... I don't need to ask anyone anything... you are delusional

DJIA average P/E ratio as of today, 18.9.

Now, the NBA franchise isn't liquid so using a stock valuation isn't an exact translation, so you can use any range of multiples. You can also adjust multiples for the fact that the franchise is a restricted asset and prestige commodity which could push the price to earning multiple higher such as 25, 30 or 40.

And P/E isn't a multiple of sales, it's a multiple of earnings or profit.

Now, if you want to use a raw revenue multiplier (sales) it wouldn't be 20, in most lines of business it would be 3-5. For example, if you were buying a Hotel, a 3x raw revenue multiplier would be typical, but you might use a 10-12x multiplier of profit. If you were buying an apartment complex, you'd use a 15-20 p/e ratio depending on it's location. You typically wouldn't use a raw revenue multiplier due to the underlying value of the raw real estate.

The actual multiplier you would use for a NBA franchise would depend on the industry, the liquidity of the asset, any intrinsic asset value (including pricing goodwill), the limited supply of the asset, and whether there is prestige attached to the business.

Accurate valuation requires a fairly solid understanding of how properties, businesses, and financial entities are valued.

However, I see how you would be confused about it.

And maybe you should ask someone, since you clearly know ZERO about asset or business valuation.

Gibby23
04-28-2014, 06:16 PM
DJIA average P/E ratio as of today, 18.9.

Now, the NBA franchise isn't liquid so using a stock valuation isn't an exact translation, so you can use any range of multiples. You can also adjust multiples for the fact that the franchise is a restricted asset and prestige commodity which could push the price to earning multiple higher such as 25, 30 or 40.

And P/E isn't a multiple of sales, it's a multiple of earnings or profit.

Now, if you want to use a raw revenue multiplier (sales) it wouldn't be 20, in most lines of business it would be 3-5. For example, if you were buying a Hotel, a 3x raw revenue multiplier would be typical, but you might use a 10-12x multiplier of profit. If you were buying an apartment complex, you'd use a 15-20 p/e ratio depending on it's location. You typically wouldn't use a raw revenue multiplier due to the underlying value of the raw real estate.

The actual multiplier you would use for a NBA franchise would depend on the industry, the liquidity of the asset, any intrinsic asset value (including pricing goodwill), the limited supply of the asset, and whether there is prestige attached to the business.

Accurate valuation requires a fairly solid understanding of how properties, businesses, and financial entities are valued.

However, I see how you would be confused about it.

And maybe you should ask someone, since you clearly know ZERO about asset or business valuation.

All that is good and all but the value of the Clippers or any other NBA team is going to be based off what the last team sold for, inflation, and what market the team is located in. He could sell the Clippers for the same amount today as he could have last week. The change of ownership takes the racist owner away. The brand isn't hurt by this, it is Sterling because of the loss in sponsors are walking, but it won't hurt the value of his team and sponsors would come back with a new owner. Sterling is rich though, so I don't know how much the sponsors walking hurts him overall.

Vinylman
04-28-2014, 06:18 PM
DJIA average P/E ratio as of today, 18.9.

Now, the NBA franchise isn't liquid so using a stock valuation isn't an exact translation, so you can use any range of multiples. You can also adjust multiples for the fact that the franchise is a restricted asset and prestige commodity which could push the price to earning multiple higher such as 25, 30 or 40.

And P/E isn't a multiple of sales, it's a multiple of earnings or profit.

Now, if you want to use a raw revenue multiplier (sales) it wouldn't be 20, in most lines of business it would be 3-5. For example, if you were buying a Hotel, a 3x raw revenue multiplier would be typical, but you might use a 10-12x multiplier of profit. If you were buying an apartment complex, you'd use a 15-20 p/e ratio depending on it's location. You typically wouldn't use a raw revenue multiplier due to the underlying value of the raw real estate.

The actual multiplier you would use for a NBA franchise would depend on the industry, the liquidity of the asset, any intrinsic asset value (including pricing goodwill), the limited supply of the asset, and whether there is prestige attached to the business.

Accurate valuation requires a fairly solid understanding of how properties, businesses, and financial entities are valued.

However, I see how you would be confused about it.

And maybe you should ask someone, since you clearly know ZERO about asset or business valuation.

Dude... go back and read your original post... you said 20X revenue

Vinylman
04-28-2014, 06:19 PM
All that is good and all but the value of the Clippers or any other NBA team is going to be based off what the last team sold for, inflation, and what market the team is located in. He could sell the Clippers for the same amount today as he could have last week. The change of ownership takes the racist owner away. The brand isn't hurt by this, it is Sterling because of the loss in sponsors are walking, but it won't hurt the value of his team and sponsors would come back with a new owner. Sterling is rich though, so I don't know how much the sponsors walking hurts him overall.

quit being intelligent...

Vinylman
04-28-2014, 06:24 PM
DJIA average P/E ratio as of today, 18.9.

Now, the NBA franchise isn't liquid so using a stock valuation isn't an exact translation, so you can use any range of multiples. You can also adjust multiples for the fact that the franchise is a restricted asset and prestige commodity which could push the price to earning multiple higher such as 25, 30 or 40.

And P/E isn't a multiple of sales, it's a multiple of earnings or profit.

Now, if you want to use a raw revenue multiplier (sales) it wouldn't be 20, in most lines of business it would be 3-5. For example, if you were buying a Hotel, a 3x raw revenue multiplier would be typical, but you might use a 10-12x multiplier of profit. If you were buying an apartment complex, you'd use a 15-20 p/e ratio depending on it's location. You typically wouldn't use a raw revenue multiplier due to the underlying value of the raw real estate.

The actual multiplier you would use for a NBA franchise would depend on the industry, the liquidity of the asset, any intrinsic asset value (including pricing goodwill), the limited supply of the asset, and whether there is prestige attached to the business.

Accurate valuation requires a fairly solid understanding of how properties, businesses, and financial entities are valued.

However, I see how you would be confused about it.

And maybe you should ask someone, since you clearly know ZERO about asset or business valuation.

the most prominent valuation method used is DCF of future earnings...

your benchmark valuations are usually only used for financing acquisitions...

you are obviously are a bean counter and not someone who has bought businesses

torocan
04-28-2014, 06:24 PM
All that is good and all but the value of the Clippers or any other NBA team is going to be based off what the last team sold for, inflation, and what market the team is located in. He could sell the Clippers for the same amount today as he could have last week. The change of ownership takes the racist owner away. The brand isn't hurt by this, it is Sterling because of the loss in sponsors are walking, but it won't hurt the value of his team and sponsors would come back with a new owner. Sterling is rich though, so I don't know how much the sponsors walking hurts him overall.

True for TODAY. However, the longer this drags out, the more it pulls down the value.

The more sponsors that walk, the more it takes to get them back as they consider other advertising options. And once you pass free agency and players walk, your team gets worse. If Doc Rivers walks, then you lose even more value.

Collison and Green can enter FA this summer.
Turk, Davis and Grainger have no contract for next year.

If this drags well into next year, you're losing ticket holders that can seek other hobbies. And as players request trades or fail to renew, it further depreciates the value of the team.

And let's not forget about penalties like revoking future draft picks

The longer that Sterling draws it out, the greater the hit to the value. Imagine if the NBA does nothing for the next 18 months... Doc Rivers has left. FA's from the Clippers this year opt out and walk. Sponsors allocate those marketing dollars to other avenues and sign into long-term advertising contracts.

If he does something soon, he'll get full value. If he manages to drag this out for an extended period of time then the impact to value will be substantial and real.

Vinylman
04-28-2014, 06:26 PM
True for TODAY. However, the longer this drags out, the more it pulls down the value.

The more sponsors that walk, the more it takes to get them back as they consider other advertising options. And once you pass free agency and players walk, your team gets worse. If Doc Rivers walks, then you lose even more value.

Collison and Green can enter FA this summer.
Turk, Davis and Grainger have no contract for next year.

If this drags well into next year, you're losing ticket holders that can seek other hobbies. And as players request trades or fail to renew, it further depreciates the value of the team.

And let's not forget about penalties like revoking future draft picks

The longer that Sterling draws it out, the greater the hit to the value. Imagine if the NBA does nothing for the next 18 months... Doc Rivers has left. FA's from the Clippers this year opt out and walk. Sponsors allocate those marketing dollars to other avenues and sign into long-term advertising contracts.

If he does something soon, he'll get full value. If he manages to drag this out for an extended period of time then the impact to value will be substantial and real.


Those things obviously impacted the value of milwaukee and sacramento

This isn't an MBA course... it is real life

goingfor28
04-28-2014, 06:33 PM
#ClippersBoycott....people need to stop going to games until he is ousted.

Def. The fans should stop supporting the players.

Gibby23
04-28-2014, 06:35 PM
True for TODAY. However, the longer this drags out, the more it pulls down the value.

The more sponsors that walk, the more it takes to get them back as they consider other advertising options. And once you pass free agency and players walk, your team gets worse. If Doc Rivers walks, then you lose even more value.

Collison and Green can enter FA this summer.
Turk, Davis and Grainger have no contract for next year.

If this drags well into next year, you're losing ticket holders that can seek other hobbies. And as players request trades or fail to renew, it further depreciates the value of the team.

And let's not forget about penalties like revoking future draft picks

The longer that Sterling draws it out, the greater the hit to the value. Imagine if the NBA does nothing for the next 18 months... Doc Rivers has left. FA's from the Clippers this year opt out and walk. Sponsors allocate those marketing dollars to other avenues and sign into long-term advertising contracts.

If he does something soon, he'll get full value. If he manages to drag this out for an extended period of time then the impact to value will be substantial and real.

False. The Clippers are not a stock. You treat a sale of a sports team more like a real estate transaction. Other factors play a part, but the arrow on the value of NBA teams is pointing up and Sterlings comments won't change that. You will have a bunch of billionaires trying to outbid eachother. It happened in Sacramento, it would happen on a larger scale in Los Angeles.

torocan
04-28-2014, 06:36 PM
the most prominent valuation method used is DCF of future earnings...

your benchmark valuations are usually only used for financing acquisitions...

you are obviously are a bean counter and not someone who has bought businesses

DCF is fine for traded shares. It's not really used as much for the actual acquisition of private businesses (which is a much larger segment of the economy), and is not used at all for real estate acquisition.

If you just want to trade shares, DCF works fine. However, if you're talking actual businesses, then you wouldn't use DCF as you're not concerned as much about free cash flow, you're typically more concerned about ROI, cash flow vs leverage, higher use value or underlying asset value.

Talk to some actual Business investors/owners instead of the speculators who THINK that they're business investors. You're not an actual business investor unless you actually control/operate a business. Being a shareholder sitting at a desk just means you're tangential to the actual operation of real businesses.

Feel free to keep talking up DCF though... it's all the rage among the stock speculators.

NYKNYGNYY
04-28-2014, 06:36 PM
jeez cant there just be one thread about this whole situation...half the main forum is all this

torocan
04-28-2014, 06:38 PM
False. The Clippers are not a stock. You treat a sale of a sports team more like a real estate transaction. Other factors play a part, but the arrow on the value of NBA teams is pointing up and Sterlings comments won't change that. You will have a bunch of billionaires trying to outbid eachother. It happened in Sacramento, it would happen on a larger scale in Los Angeles.

Yes and no. Can you honestly say that the Clippers of 5 years ago (pre Chris Paul with no end in sight) is worth anywhere near what it worth today with Doc Rivers running the team?

I'm not saying that it won't hold the bulk of it's value, but to say there will be no impact as they lose free agents, Doc Rivers and put up a worse record next year won't impact the value in some way.

DillyDill
04-28-2014, 06:39 PM
True for TODAY. However, the longer this drags out, the more it pulls down the value.

The more sponsors that walk, the more it takes to get them back as they consider other advertising options. And once you pass free agency and players walk, your team gets worse. If Doc Rivers walks, then you lose even more value.

Collison and Green can enter FA this summer.
Turk, Davis and Grainger have no contract for next year.

If this drags well into next year, you're losing ticket holders that can seek other hobbies. And as players request trades or fail to renew, it further depreciates the value of the team.

And let's not forget about penalties like revoking future draft picks

The longer that Sterling draws it out, the greater the hit to the value. Imagine if the NBA does nothing for the next 18 months... Doc Rivers has left. FA's from the Clippers this year opt out and walk. Sponsors allocate those marketing dollars to other avenues and sign into long-term advertising contracts.

If he does something soon, he'll get full value. If he manages to drag this out for an extended period of time then the impact to value will be substantial and real.

Question when owning a team does winning really matter and impact a team? Because looking on forbes Knicks are #1 in net worth but haven't won since the 70's.

torocan
04-28-2014, 06:39 PM
Dude... go back and read your original post... you said 20X revenue

I was using 20x earnings as a simple comparison. It wasn't meant to be a definitive valuation. To do that you'd actually have to go through the numbers and comparative asset valuations of teams.

That said, the value today is at it's highest assuming Sterling is smart enough to move it.

As for the Knicks, they are under valued versus their potential. They are one of the most profitable in the NBA at close to $100M per year in spite of their record. So they have multiple factors involved that happen to offset their previous years of crap performance. However, if they had a championship level team for multiple years, that would translate into more lucrative TV and advertising deals (ala the Lakers) and push their value even higher.

Gibby23
04-28-2014, 06:44 PM
Yes and no. Can you honestly say that the Clippers of 5 years ago (pre Chris Paul with no end in sight) is worth anywhere near what it worth today with Doc Rivers running the team?

I'm not saying that it won't hold the bulk of it's value, but to say there will be no impact as they lose free agents, Doc Rivers and put up a worse record next year won't impact the value in some way.

Even if they didn't have CP3, DOC, and Blake today and were a bottom half NBA team they would still be worth much more than they were 5 years ago. They are worth the same amount with or without CP3, Doc, and Blake today as they are with them. An owner isn't looking to buy they players and coaches on the team, it is the team and location. Players and coaches always change.

Gibby23
04-28-2014, 06:49 PM
The Dodgers were not valued at a billion a few years ago, but they are valued at that now because somebody paid that much for them. The Clippers have their TV deal ending in a few years and that drives the price up also because the New owner and Sterling know that is going to bring in billions.

NBA_Starter
04-28-2014, 07:24 PM
Maybe Magic Johnson will buy them.

Cracka2HI!
04-28-2014, 07:57 PM
I can't come up with anything to say to defend being a Clipper fan. I've always known what kind of person Sterling is and it never bothered me. Now it's hard to separate the team from it's owner. I don't think it's fair that the fans or players are put in this situation. I'm not going to any playoff games because I can't afford to, but if I had tickets I'd sure as hell go. The pressure on the players to make some kind of political stand is very unfair. As for the future of the Clippers after this season. With Sterling it's an ugly one. If Sterling is forced to sell this shouldn't be a road block the team can't overcome. We'll see what the league has to say tomorrow. That will tell a lot.

RaiderLakersA's
04-28-2014, 08:08 PM
Well, since we're talking speculation and fantasy, I'll bite:

1. Sterling hands the team over to either his estranged wife or one of their children. He is otherwise completely removed from all affiliation with the team and the NBA.

2. Doc Rivers and Paul, nevertheless, ask to be released.

3. The Clippers go on to win the series against the Warriors, which costs Mark Jackson his job. Warriors leadership closely eyes point #2 above.

4. Doc Rivers becomes the head coach for the Warriors starting with the 2014-2015 season. The Dubs go on to win the title that year.

5. Chris Paul teams up with Melo...as a NY Knick. (Yes, Melo stays in NYC).

6. V. Stiviano is prosecuted for illegally recording Sterling. Sterling further sues her in civil court and wins. Not surprisingly, Stiviano goes on to do a nude pictorial in one of the seedier men's magazines, has a sex tape released of her and another famous sports celebrity, and appears as a "star" on several reality TV shows. She eventually falls off the map and is found living in a trailer park in tornado alley ten years from now, her cupboards filled with dog food. The reporters that interview her fail to locate a dog or pet of any kind.

BirdIsTheWord
04-28-2014, 08:31 PM
Red Bull, CarMax, Kia, Virgin America, Corona, AQUAhydrate, Sprint, LoanMart, Amtrak, Lumber Liquidators, Mercedes-Benz, Yokohama Tire Corporation, Commerce Hotel & Casino and State Farm are some of the companies who have suspended their sponsorship with the Clippers.

http://sulia.com/channel/la-clippers/f/cebde414-4e8c-4b34-98c7-f19a2471376a/?action=prop&source=tw&form_factor=desktop

The guy should just sell the team. He should still be able to get at least $800mil.

Trwood12
04-28-2014, 08:36 PM
I hope Magic buys the team. That would be cool.

RaiderLakersA's
04-28-2014, 08:41 PM
http://sulia.com/channel/la-clippers/f/cebde414-4e8c-4b34-98c7-f19a2471376a/?action=prop&source=tw&form_factor=desktop

The guy should just sell the team. He should still be able to get at least $800mil.

It's great that many companies are suspending and/or terminating ties to the Clippers, but the reality is that Sterling has already made his money from those business relationships ... at least for this quarter. Companies would need to stay away long term in order to truly pinch Sterling. I hope that they're all in it for the long haul. I don't see Sterling leaving soon or easily.

Can't Stop Me
04-28-2014, 09:18 PM
Public "apology" and everything is well and good again, unfortunately.

bluefire7002
04-28-2014, 11:18 PM
Public "apology" and everything is well and good again, unfortunately.

Lol... You really think the players will just be over it once he apologizes?

slashsnake
04-28-2014, 11:31 PM
I wonder if all his players will put in trade demands immediately after the season. I really could see that as an option. Jordan, Blake, Paul etc all putting in trade demands unless Sterling sells the team